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Matt Edmundson: Welcome to this
week's Crowd Church service.

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We are a digital church on a
quest to discover how Jesus helps

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us live a more meaningful life.

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We are a community, a space to explore
the Christian faith, and a place

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where you can contribute and grow.

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Our service This will last about
an hour and in a few seconds you'll

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meet our hosts for our service
who will introduce today's talk.

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After the talk we will have a time of
worship and reflection, after which

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we head into Conversation Street where
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that you've posted in the comments.

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Now, we want to invite you to connect with
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Church is all about connecting with
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And one of the easiest ways for you
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Online together to catch up and discover
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where we deep dive into stories of
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what your next steps to take are, why
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church forward slash
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And now, the moment you've
been waiting for is here.

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Our online church
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Hello and welcome.

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Sorry, a little bit behind schedule there.

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High professionalism.

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Welcome to Crowd Online Church.

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It is great to see you.

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It's swell.

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It's swell.

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It's great to have you.

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My name is Matt.

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Beside me is the very beautiful.

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Will Sopwith: Nice to see you all.

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Matt Edmundson: Very talented.

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Handsome, debonair even.

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Will Sopwith: Thank you very much.

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Enjoy the blueness of your office as ever.

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It's a fab place to be.

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And yeah, nice to

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Matt Edmundson: It is nice to be here.

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Good evening.

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Welcome to you.

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Welcome to Crowd Church.

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If you're first time
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We're an online church.

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Which just means we do church online.

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I'm sure I haven't it just
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Right there.

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It's fair to say you can't see it,
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screen to your in front of me, where we
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Which is, spoiler alert's at three.

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Now and so if all of a sudden will, and
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the game on as well as the livestream.

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Cause we're very obvi.

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We were hoping, we were praying that
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it before the livestream started.

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Matt Edmundson: like, anyway.

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What can I say?

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What can I say?

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Very warm welcome.

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This is a church by the way,
it's not a football channel.

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I just want to point that out.

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So yeah, very warm welcome to you.

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If you're new here, we
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Do say hi in the comments.

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Let us know where you're watching from.

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Be great to great to hear from you.

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Let us know the comments.

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are actually working which is always
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Yeah, but welcome to Crowd Church.

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We are in our series on becoming whole.

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We're like week four, I don't know,
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I've lost count already.

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But tonight we have Pete Farrington.

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Fantastic Pete Farrington.

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Will Sopwith: Yeah, really good
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And we're going to chat
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So please do bring questions and
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And we will  have a discussion afterwards.

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Matt Edmundson: No doubt we will.

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It will be a heck of a discussion.

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So yeah, I do leave your questions,
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Let me say before we bring the talk
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alpha course, if you're interested
in doing an alpha course, do let

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us know, head to the website crowd.

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church.

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I'll put the main website up on there.

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church forward slash alpha.

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If you're interested in joining, we
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definitely not too late to join us.

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I'll send out a catch up
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If you didn't watch week one and
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send all that out on the email.

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I would have sent it out today, but I've
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and so it will probably be tomorrow.

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Technology.

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Will Sopwith: Alpha is a fantastic
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question, very informal, very accessible.

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Any questions you've got, Alpha
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So do get involved there.

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Matt Edmundson: Great way to
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It is on Wednesday evenings at 8.

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30pm here in the UK,
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30 Eastern Seaboard time, although
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30 for the next few weeks because we have
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Will Sopwith: No, and we feel it,
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I did feel a little hint of warmth
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so spring is on its way.

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It is on its way.

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Spring is on its way.

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Matt Edmundson: It is on its way,
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think, Easter weekend, don't we?

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The last weekend of March, yeah.

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But I know in the States, you've
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So it's, it messes things up.

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Anyway, there's a little
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If you want to know what time that is
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It's always an education crowd, isn't it?

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Got to stay on top of
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Being, an online church.

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Things you don't have
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But apparently we do when it's online.

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Yeah, if you'd like to join us,
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Sharon, my wife and I are running it.

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You would be more than
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It was great to meet some of you on Zoom.

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So without further ado, we
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I'm looking for the button.

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There it is.

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We're going to play the talk from Pete.

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Like we'll said, we'll be back after
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So make sure you write your
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comments and we will get to them.

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So here's Pete.

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Oh, I pressed the button
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Will Sopwith: Oh no, dead air!

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Matt Edmundson: I'm going to click
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Here's Pete.

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Pete Farrington: Hello, thanks
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in our Becoming Whole series.

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So today we're going to be exploring
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But before we get stuck in, I
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question, who or what are you led by?

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What guides you in life?

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What is it that determines your
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Because the thing is, being
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being submitted to the Spirit.

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Submission, that's everyone's
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I'm sorry, Matt, the engagement stats on
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I've started talking about submission,
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talk seriously about being led
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I think we find it hard to tolerate
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water we've been swimming in for so long.

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Like the modern mind thinks
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equals inequality or oppression.

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In submission, one leads
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But the idea that a difference in
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be no difference in roles whatsoever.

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This is totally antithetical to what
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how he has chosen to order his world.

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So let's just look for
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That's the sort of word we've
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being three persons in one being.

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That's the Father, the
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So before his arrest and
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Gethsemane prays to God the Father.

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He says, My Father, if it is not possible
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I drink it, may your will be done.

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We see submission there,
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When Jesus spoke to his disciples of the
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16 verse 13, When the Spirit of truth
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For he will not speak on his
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he hears, he will speak.

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And he will declare to you
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So there is total equality in the
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there are no differences in the roles
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And God, in his wisdom, has given us human
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But we'll come back to that later.

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With submission, of course, there's
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leadership, abuse of authority, and
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history and in the world today.

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But we must not throw the
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We can reject the idea of authority and
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We still have to come to terms with the
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I ask you again, what are you led by?

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It could be independence, or ambition,
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or public opinion, your peers.

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It could be desire for a quiet,
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good in the world by your own effort.

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And we like to think that we
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self determining creatures.

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Master of my own fate, and
captain of my soul, and all that.

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With enough time, maybe our
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But look around you, look at
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I haven't learned
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But the more I look around, the
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capacity to reason and agency to
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things that actually lead us.

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Our choices are led by our loves.

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Our choices are determined
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what we find most compelling.

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And I think probably the world's
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Follow your heart.

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But the Bible says the heart is deceitful
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That's Jeremiah 17 verse 9.

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So this idea that we can choose
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is not determined by any outside
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anything we want at any moment.

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I'm not sure that's true, I think it's
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But listen to this in Ezekiel
36 verse 27, God says this, he

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promises this to his people.

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And I will give you a new heart and
a new spirit I will put within you.

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And I will remove the heart of stone from
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And I will put my spirit within you
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and be careful to obey my rules.

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Now I think in talking about being
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wonderful passages that I really
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through, Galatians 5 and Romans 8.

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I'm going to pick out a few of
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this whole idea a bit further.

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In Galatians 5, Paul addresses two quite
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Galatians There were those who said,
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you've got to be circumcised too.

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Jesus's blood isn't quite enough and
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those ceremonial cleanliness laws.

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All those ones that we weren't really
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minutes, but you've got to keep doing it.

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Paul responds to this in verse 11 of
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around preaching that you've got to be
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be removing the offence of the cross.

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The offence is that we will never be saved
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nothing to your salvation by human effort.

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He was saying, did you think
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The Mosaic Law that you were saved.

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Did you really think it was
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No, it was the Spirit's work
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it will be his work to the end.

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It's all the work of the Spirit.

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He goes on later to say in Galatians 5,
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So that the life that we have
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It was all Him.

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be carried out by the empowering
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Now it is sometimes tempting in my
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to this whole Christianity thing.

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I've been doing it for a while, cheers for
that Jesus, really appreciate you giving

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me a foot up there with the whole cross
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But I think I can take it from here,
no, that we're to be, we're to be led

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by the Spirit and that means being
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Now, there were also
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To the Galatians, way, the
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It's not binding on us anymore.

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So that must mean that God's moral
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We can just do whatever we want.

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That's perfect.

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But the Holy Spirit empowers and equips
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So let's have a bit more of a look at
Galatians 5 verses 16 through 25 says

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this, Walk by the Spirit, and you will
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for the desires of the flesh are against
the spirit, and the desires of the spirit

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are against the flesh, for these two
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from doing the things you want to do.

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But if you are led by the spirit,
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That's the ceremonial
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Now the works of the flesh are evident:
sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality,

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idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife,
jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries,

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dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness,
orgies, and things like these.

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So that list is not exhaustive,
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But he continues and says, I warn
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those who do such things will
not inherit the Kingdom of God.

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But the fruit of the Spirit is love,
joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness,

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faithfulness, gentleness, self control.

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Against such things there is no
law, and those who belong to Christ

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Jesus have crucified the flesh
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If we live by the Spirit, let us
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Now the word flesh that Paul used a number
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nature that's been corrupted by sin.

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For those who are Christians,
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In Romans 6 verse 6 it says, We know
that our old self was crucified with him,

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with Jesus, in order that the body of
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we would no longer be enslaved to sin.

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In Romans 6 verse 13, a little
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according to the flesh, you will die.

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But if by the spirit you put to death
the deeds of the body, you will live.

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Really key phrase there.

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But if by the spirit you put
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So there again, he's talking about
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God, not doing things out in our
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So what does following his need
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I think it means to live in such a way
that the steps that we take, the decisions

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we make the way that we prioritize
our time, our money, our effort, are

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those things producing the fruits of
the spirit or the works of the flesh.

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That's really the only two categories
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It's those who live.

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According to the flesh or
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I read something recently by
John Piper, which I really liked.

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He said, walking by the spirit is
what we do when the desires produced

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by the spirit are stronger than
the desires produced by the flesh.

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So when you are faced with a really
difficult decision and you just don't

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know what to do, or maybe you're faced
with great temptation and you're like,

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Oh, I want to give in, but I don't know.

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I don't know what I should do.

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We can hold up those two lists in
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of measuring what God's will is.

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So is that particular action
or decision going to result in

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more self control or sensuality?

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Is it going to produce more peace
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So how does God lead us?

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He has given us his word.

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He has revealed himself to us.

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Get into God's Word.

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I used Galatians 5 there as a way, as
an example of how the Spirit leads us

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by enlightening our hearts to His Word.

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Surround yourself with
wise Christian counsel.

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Try and find people who've been walking
with God a little bit longer than you,

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who can help you out when you're stuck
and when you don't know what to do.

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And as with anything, if anyone gives
you counsel, take it back to scripture.

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Does it align with God's word?

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Does it align with what he has said?

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If there's anything I've said today
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And the spirit lives within you, so
learn to recognize his promptings

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when he's guiding you away from
something towards something else.

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So how can I trust God's guidance?

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I mentioned earlier that God
has given us human relationships

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with submission built into them.

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One of those is that of
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Now I love going for walks with
my little son I lead him and I

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tell him which direction to go in.

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Most of the time he's very good when
we're getting ourselves ready to head

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out the door, but there are days where
he will suddenly just throw a fit

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over something like put in his hat.

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His scarf and his coat on and there are
things that he experiences as suffering

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like that, but they're actually part
of my good plan to get him out the

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door and safely to our destination.

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When we're walking to the park, he,
will often get distracted by something

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like, I don't know, water dripping
out of a drain pipe or something.

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But I know much better than he does.

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What he wants.

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I know much better than he does
what, what will make a good day.

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So I'm like, come on, let's not get
distracted for too long by the water

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dripping out of the drain pipe.

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Let's go to the park.

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I know him much better than he does.

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And we tell ourselves sometimes
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you, but that's just not true.

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God knows us infinitely better than we do.

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And that, that Leo and I, that my
son and I have a difference in roles

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is actually for his flourishing.

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It's for his best.

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And imagine if he turned around and said
to me, no, I don't want to submit to you.

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This happens and he doesn't
put it in those words, but if I

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were just to give into that and
say, okay, yeah, you lead us.

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It would just end in tears.

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We'd probably never get out the
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Romans 8 verse 14 tells us
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Spirit of God are sons of God.

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He goes on to say in verse 16, The
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spirit that we are children of God.

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Now there are some who will say,
Oh, we are all God's children.

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And this sounds nice and it makes for easy
listening, but it isn't actually true.

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There are two categories, there
are God's children and there are

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those who are led by the flesh.

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And Christ died for you
when you were not his own.

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God sent his son to die for you when you
were not his own to make you his own.

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So I know that the word
father can be a loaded word.

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But he is a good father.

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He sent his son to die for
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And one of our biggest problems,
maybe our biggest, is that we

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all want Jesus to die for us, but
we don't want to submit to him.

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The thing is, you cannot become whole
and you cannot find fulfillment and

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true freedom if you're led by anything
or anyone other than the Spirit.

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My little boy was given a kite
for his birthday and we went to

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fly it in the park last week.

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And the thing is about a kite is that,
there's probably a technical term for

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the string, but if that string is not
taught, the flight just can't fly.

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It will just flop to the ground
and end up in a puddle and getting

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torn in a tree or something.

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And it's actually the restriction
of the kite that allows the kite

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to, to live out its purpose, to fly.

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Like a kite who's flopped to the
puddle might be like, yay freedom!

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But it's no longer actually
able to live as a kite.

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Matt said on here a little while back,
a free man chooses what binds him.

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True freedom really is being able to
choose what you will be submitted to.

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He is to lead, we are to follow.

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So thanks so much for listening
and back to you guys in the studio.

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Matt Edmundson: Welcome back.

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Thanks, Pete.

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I was just saying to Will
there, I said, oh, he quoted me.

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And you were like, yeah, he's gonna
get another gig now, isn't he?

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Way to win in life.

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Quote Matt in your sermons.

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But that was great.

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Thanks, Pete.

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Appreciate that.

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That was good talk.

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And so you've got some notes.

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I took some scribbles.

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Will Sopwith: Yeah, no, I
really enjoyed that talk.

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And I found myself asking lots of
questions actually for Peter to start

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just as I was just listening there.

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But I'd love to start off with,
I love that we are led by,

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we're all led by something.

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Matt Edmundson: Yeah.

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Will Sopwith: And that is a truth
that I think we probably don't Yeah.

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We don't think about very often.

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Or we may never know but it's true.

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As soon as you start
thinking about it, go yeah.

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We are led by something.

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And that answer of what
it is that we are led by.

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Yeah, I think that's really
worth spending some time thinking

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about what are you led by?

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And you can do that on a kind of
hour by hour, day by day sort of

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basis and go minute by minute.

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Picture your Monday, go what directs
your decisions and your activity?

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What is it that leads you?

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And yeah, is there any
space in that for God?

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I think that's a really good thing
to, to spend some time thinking about.

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Matt Edmundson: Yeah, really good point
that whole walk guides you because it's

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been true to say that you've had a bit
of a week, I've had a bit of a week this

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week, and just some bits of news that
I was told, which you just, you don't

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want to hear if I'm honest with you.

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And at that point, you make some big
decisions, don't you in terms of for me,

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I had to, when I was told something that
potentially was not going to be great,

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I had to go and separate myself and I
walked around the park and I'm like, God

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I need to know what you're saying here,
because I need your guidance, right?

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Because if I do it my way, I'm going
to go and probably punch somebody.

468
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Or I'm going to, because, I
can be quite an emotional chap.

469
00:25:21,785 --> 00:25:23,845
But I didn't want to be led by emotions.

470
00:25:23,865 --> 00:25:26,505
I didn't want to be led by my fear.

471
00:25:26,505 --> 00:25:28,755
Was probably one of the
key things that happened.

472
00:25:28,755 --> 00:25:30,195
So I went away.

473
00:25:30,805 --> 00:25:33,425
I knew I had to walk around the
park and I had to go and pray and

474
00:25:33,425 --> 00:25:35,805
I had to get my journal out because
I was like, God, before I talk to

475
00:25:35,945 --> 00:25:40,165
anybody else, I need you to speak
to me here to guide me, to lead me.

476
00:25:40,705 --> 00:25:44,395
Because that question, you are always
led by something or that statement,

477
00:25:44,415 --> 00:25:46,115
I think is a very true statement.

478
00:25:46,155 --> 00:25:49,185
And we have to choose, even as Christians
have been around for a little while.

479
00:25:49,575 --> 00:25:49,855
So in

480
00:25:49,855 --> 00:25:50,645
Will Sopwith: your walk around the park.

481
00:25:51,375 --> 00:25:55,365
Did God give you three verses
which answered your question?

482
00:25:55,375 --> 00:25:55,755
Yeah, no.

483
00:25:57,765 --> 00:25:58,825
Because I think that's a
really interesting thing.

484
00:25:59,045 --> 00:26:02,375
Some people think, oh, the Bible, so
that's magic book that you're read

485
00:26:02,385 --> 00:26:05,239
a verse and it'll be, do you know,
that's exactly what I was thinking.

486
00:26:05,239 --> 00:26:11,235
So how do you know then that it's God
leading you in your reflections as you're

487
00:26:11,245 --> 00:26:12,795
journeying in the decisions you make?

488
00:26:12,795 --> 00:26:13,805
How do you know that's God?

489
00:26:14,845 --> 00:26:16,175
Matt Edmundson: That's a
really good point, isn't it?

490
00:26:16,175 --> 00:26:20,090
And this is one of the key questions
I think Christians wrestle with did I

491
00:26:20,090 --> 00:26:23,190
hear God or actually I can't hear God.

492
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:24,730
God, I don't actually
know what you're saying.

493
00:26:24,860 --> 00:26:27,270
These are some of the sort of the
key things that come out, don't they?

494
00:26:27,820 --> 00:26:32,970
I can't say that after that walk around
the park I had any clear Bible verses.

495
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:39,180
What I did come away with was a sense
of something that I needed to pray into.

496
00:26:39,550 --> 00:26:39,860
Okay.

497
00:26:39,900 --> 00:26:40,550
If that makes sense.

498
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:40,880
Yeah.

499
00:26:41,430 --> 00:26:45,720
And so Sharon, my wife and I
the day after that happened, we

500
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,610
were praying about that thing.

501
00:26:48,170 --> 00:26:54,290
And then I'm gonna say about
three and a half hours after we

502
00:26:54,290 --> 00:26:55,830
prayed everything turned around.

503
00:26:56,340 --> 00:26:56,550
Wow.

504
00:26:56,580 --> 00:26:58,945
It's one of the quickest answers to
pray We've had a week and I was like,

505
00:26:59,905 --> 00:27:03,745
faith things an absolute dole . But
it was one of those things because I

506
00:27:03,755 --> 00:27:06,735
think a good question to ask you when
we're talking about being led by God.

507
00:27:06,735 --> 00:27:09,315
And again, we're talking about this
in the context of wholeness, right?

508
00:27:09,315 --> 00:27:13,105
Yeah, being whole, what it means to
be whole people to be complete people.

509
00:27:13,275 --> 00:27:17,735
And the premise is if we're to be whole,
we have to learn to be led by God.

510
00:27:18,335 --> 00:27:23,515
And because, Pete's analogy with his
young son, Leo who's as cute as a button.

511
00:27:23,575 --> 00:27:24,655
He's a great little kid.

512
00:27:25,355 --> 00:27:30,685
And his analogy about being You
know I'm his dad, he needs to

513
00:27:30,685 --> 00:27:34,995
follow me, not because I'm some
kind of evil dictator, but because I

514
00:27:34,995 --> 00:27:36,425
genuinely know what's best for him.

515
00:27:36,975 --> 00:27:40,295
And so in the context of completeness,
if we're going to be complete people,

516
00:27:40,295 --> 00:27:43,305
we have to learn to be led by God.

517
00:27:44,165 --> 00:27:44,695
And so

518
00:27:45,325 --> 00:27:45,465
Will Sopwith: yeah.

519
00:27:45,505 --> 00:27:50,375
And I really like that example
of a father with a small child.

520
00:27:50,525 --> 00:27:55,455
Spoiler alert, Peter they grow up
and their opinions become a little

521
00:27:55,465 --> 00:27:57,675
harder to judge as to what's right.

522
00:27:57,965 --> 00:28:00,505
But the analogy is the same
that God is our father.

523
00:28:00,575 --> 00:28:00,975
Yeah.

524
00:28:01,405 --> 00:28:04,585
It's not like with a toddler
where it's this is what you do.

525
00:28:05,135 --> 00:28:08,095
And if we don't do this, it's,
it's going to be a rubbish day.

526
00:28:08,555 --> 00:28:10,625
It's, it becomes a lot
more nuanced than that.

527
00:28:10,625 --> 00:28:13,745
And particularly for adults, we have
to come to terms with the fact that,

528
00:28:13,745 --> 00:28:17,545
decisions you make, they may be okay,
but there may be something better.

529
00:28:17,775 --> 00:28:20,195
There's not, I think people
can get mixed up as Christians.

530
00:28:20,225 --> 00:28:22,025
There's one right way.

531
00:28:22,295 --> 00:28:24,635
And we must find that one right way.

532
00:28:24,985 --> 00:28:30,265
But actually, as we learn how to listen,
just as a child learns to trust their

533
00:28:30,305 --> 00:28:34,250
parents, because they You know, hopefully
they've got some kind of precedent.

534
00:28:34,250 --> 00:28:36,690
They've got kind of stories they
can imagine going, Oh, yeah,

535
00:28:36,690 --> 00:28:39,370
when I did what mom and dad said,
then that kind of worked out.

536
00:28:39,380 --> 00:28:39,850
All right.

537
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,560
As we do that, we then
always have a choice.

538
00:28:43,620 --> 00:28:47,590
Yeah, To follow God or to follow our
own way and God's not gonna leave us.

539
00:28:47,590 --> 00:28:49,270
He's not gonna say, Oh, you got it wrong.

540
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:49,850
That's it.

541
00:28:50,030 --> 00:28:51,680
Yeah, that's end of relationship.

542
00:28:51,910 --> 00:28:52,190
Yeah.

543
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:55,000
He's gonna  be with us in that decision.

544
00:28:55,020 --> 00:28:56,150
Like it's a fork in the road.

545
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,590
We walk one way God just doesn't walk
the other way and go, Okay, that's it.

546
00:29:00,130 --> 00:29:00,740
I've left you.

547
00:29:01,100 --> 00:29:01,270
I'm

548
00:29:01,270 --> 00:29:01,490
Matt Edmundson: out.

549
00:29:01,590 --> 00:29:02,780
Will Sopwith: Yeah, he'll walk with you.

550
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:03,220
Yeah.

551
00:29:04,500 --> 00:29:08,815
But, and if we can keep listening,
he might be saying, The other route,

552
00:29:09,405 --> 00:29:11,015
there was something better down there.

553
00:29:11,585 --> 00:29:15,815
And so it becomes, yeah, I guess I
wanted to make clear that there's

554
00:29:15,825 --> 00:29:19,935
not like one, there's a plan A and if
you stray from it, you're finished.

555
00:29:20,225 --> 00:29:21,155
God doesn't work like that.

556
00:29:21,165 --> 00:29:22,545
He journeys with us.

557
00:29:22,565 --> 00:29:25,915
It's a journey and we look back and
go, yeah, I made some good decisions.

558
00:29:25,915 --> 00:29:26,405
I made some bad.

559
00:29:26,655 --> 00:29:33,095
I've got a fairly kind of trivial example,
but I really enjoy planning holidays.

560
00:29:33,785 --> 00:29:34,035
Do you?

561
00:29:34,085 --> 00:29:36,025
I do, and I'm good at it as well.

562
00:29:36,055 --> 00:29:36,665
I'm going to give you my dates.

563
00:29:36,665 --> 00:29:41,385
I planned some fantastic holidays and I
got to the point I think our kids were

564
00:29:41,605 --> 00:29:45,645
probably quite small, and And the plans
that I had, it's we'll go there, this will

565
00:29:45,645 --> 00:29:50,705
work then, yeah, we'll stay there, we'll
see that, the weather was just completely

566
00:29:50,715 --> 00:29:55,615
pants, or, yeah, it was in England then,
mostly, yeah or the travel was just a lot

567
00:29:55,615 --> 00:29:57,175
more stressful because of whatever reason,

568
00:29:57,285 --> 00:29:57,535
Pete Farrington: yeah,

569
00:29:57,595 --> 00:30:00,745
Will Sopwith: and and I realised
actually that, I'd become just very

570
00:30:00,765 --> 00:30:03,419
self sufficient of yeah, I can do
this, I'm gonna plan a holiday.

571
00:30:04,329 --> 00:30:08,579
And  my beautiful wife challenged me and
said, we don't really pray about holidays.

572
00:30:08,579 --> 00:30:09,609
Why don't we go on holidays?

573
00:30:09,609 --> 00:30:13,479
It's a small thing, but from that point
of view, okay, yeah, I need to lay down

574
00:30:13,489 --> 00:30:19,088
my idea of what will work and and that
kind of run of just real done holidays.

575
00:30:19,098 --> 00:30:20,578
So we came back more tired than we went.

576
00:30:21,083 --> 00:30:23,303
It stopped and like things that
I wouldn't have even thought of,

577
00:30:23,333 --> 00:30:26,603
that we just felt, oh yeah let's
maybe go there or let's stay there.

578
00:30:26,653 --> 00:30:30,288
And you'd meet somebody and you'd meet
some amazing family and it just okay.

579
00:30:30,293 --> 00:30:30,588
Yeah.

580
00:30:30,593 --> 00:30:30,713
Yeah.

581
00:30:30,798 --> 00:30:34,758
Just even the thing like where you go
on holiday is something you can submit

582
00:30:34,763 --> 00:30:36,808
to God and God has something better.

583
00:30:36,858 --> 00:30:38,178
And that was a really good lesson for me.

584
00:30:38,178 --> 00:30:42,328
And yeah, I think it built our faith and
yeah, it's worth submitting stuff to God.

585
00:30:42,768 --> 00:30:43,558
No, totally,

586
00:30:43,668 --> 00:30:45,498
Matt Edmundson: especially because like
I say, we're talking about wholeness.

587
00:30:45,688 --> 00:30:47,958
How do you get whole, submit it
to God and let God guide you?

588
00:30:48,418 --> 00:30:49,558
Here's a question then, right?

589
00:30:49,558 --> 00:30:53,178
If there's not one way and  this
is slightly off topic, but I think

590
00:30:53,178 --> 00:30:54,188
this will be a good question to ask.

591
00:30:54,588 --> 00:30:57,268
Let's talk about the biggest
decision you'll make in life with

592
00:30:57,278 --> 00:31:01,098
the exception of choosing to be
a Crisbo, to give you a gift.

593
00:31:01,638 --> 00:31:03,358
Down with the kids, be a Crisbo.

594
00:31:03,908 --> 00:31:05,988
To be a Christian Nicola,
Miriam, hi in the comments.

595
00:31:06,038 --> 00:31:07,382
Yeah.

596
00:31:07,382 --> 00:31:09,585
Here's a question, right?

597
00:31:11,655 --> 00:31:14,685
You're married to the beautiful Kate,
I'm married to the beautiful Sharon.

598
00:31:17,015 --> 00:31:20,625
Your son is, he's not getting
married, my son's not getting married,

599
00:31:20,625 --> 00:31:22,375
but potentially it could happen.

600
00:31:22,895 --> 00:31:26,005
It comes to you and says, Dad, is there
only one person on the planet that

601
00:31:26,005 --> 00:31:27,355
God's got for me to get married to?

602
00:31:27,435 --> 00:31:28,205
What would, how would you answer?

603
00:31:28,205 --> 00:31:28,365
That's a

604
00:31:28,385 --> 00:31:29,505
Will Sopwith: massive red herring.

605
00:31:29,515 --> 00:31:31,450
That, that is a rabbit hole right there.

606
00:31:32,030 --> 00:31:34,710
So I would say, yeah, I don't
believe there's one person.

607
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:36,400
If you get it wrong, you mess up.

608
00:31:36,510 --> 00:31:37,930
I just don't think God works like that.

609
00:31:37,930 --> 00:31:42,190
I don't think he's got this master plan
and we must get every single step right.

610
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,700
Like kind of solving a puzzle.

611
00:31:44,010 --> 00:31:48,030
And if we mess up, it's like I
just, I dunno what to do with you.

612
00:31:48,030 --> 00:31:50,180
Yeah, I can't work with you now
cause you've straight off my plan.

613
00:31:50,500 --> 00:31:52,120
I was watching actually, king Richard.

614
00:31:52,300 --> 00:31:52,540
Okay.

615
00:31:52,540 --> 00:31:54,310
The thing about Serena and Venus Williams.

616
00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:54,429
Oh yeah.

617
00:31:54,694 --> 00:31:55,204
Will Smith in.

618
00:31:55,264 --> 00:31:55,474
Yeah.

619
00:31:55,474 --> 00:31:59,099
And, and he had this master plan and all
the way through it's this is my plan.

620
00:31:59,099 --> 00:31:59,499
This is my plan.

621
00:31:59,689 --> 00:32:02,319
And, most mostly it it, it
went pretty well, actually.

622
00:32:02,639 --> 00:32:03,789
But yeah, it really struck me.

623
00:32:03,819 --> 00:32:07,059
God's not that sort of father, where
it's like, there is the one road.

624
00:32:07,369 --> 00:32:11,979
And if you stray off it, I'm gonna
say, I told you so yeah, so in

625
00:32:11,979 --> 00:32:16,534
terms of that kind of that choice of
person, I think God's got a best plan.

626
00:32:16,624 --> 00:32:20,074
And I think that's definitely something
you need to submit to God and say,

627
00:32:20,504 --> 00:32:24,434
okay, I want to just acknowledge
that, the end from the beginning,

628
00:32:24,544 --> 00:32:28,194
I don't, yeah, I'm hopelessly
in love, and it feels great now.

629
00:32:28,244 --> 00:32:32,304
If I spend the next 50 years with
this person who knows what's going to

630
00:32:32,304 --> 00:32:35,214
happen in that time, that is definitely
something you need to submit to God.

631
00:32:36,414 --> 00:32:39,684
But on that submission thing, and I
wanted to ask you actually, because I

632
00:32:39,704 --> 00:32:41,184
don't have a problem with submission.

633
00:32:41,284 --> 00:32:44,769
I think I'm about In work,
in other things, I think I

634
00:32:44,769 --> 00:32:46,209
make quite a good number two.

635
00:32:46,219 --> 00:32:48,369
I'm quite happy for someone
to leave, to be honest.

636
00:32:48,389 --> 00:32:52,539
I'm like, and I know, you're a serial
entrepreneur, you own your own business.

637
00:32:52,539 --> 00:32:56,639
I think there's a reason, probably,
for the issues you have with authority.

638
00:32:57,369 --> 00:32:58,189
But it's probably

639
00:32:58,189 --> 00:32:58,669
Matt Edmundson: very true.

640
00:32:58,669 --> 00:33:00,939
Will Sopwith: And I think the majority
of people are probably a bit more like

641
00:33:00,939 --> 00:33:04,844
me, that it's do you know, So, when
you know someone's character is good

642
00:33:04,844 --> 00:33:08,774
and you know they make good decisions,
submission is not actually that hard.

643
00:33:09,054 --> 00:33:14,424
But I wanted to ask you, because I
think you are much better at leading

644
00:33:14,424 --> 00:33:17,634
and I'm making the, I'm doing the
decision yeah, how do you find that

645
00:33:17,664 --> 00:33:19,714
whole kind of submitting to God?

646
00:33:19,754 --> 00:33:21,894
You've given a great example
there already, but is that

647
00:33:21,894 --> 00:33:22,974
something you've had to learn?

648
00:33:22,984 --> 00:33:24,594
Is that something that's naturally there?

649
00:33:25,554 --> 00:33:28,504
Matt Edmundson: I think, yeah it's
one of those things, isn't it?

650
00:33:28,504 --> 00:33:34,514
Where I remember someone saying to me
years ago, when I had just become a

651
00:33:34,514 --> 00:33:37,764
Christian, I'd been a Christian a couple
years, and they said to me, Matt, you

652
00:33:37,764 --> 00:33:41,434
seem like a fairly competent person.

653
00:33:42,064 --> 00:33:48,424
And I think the thing about fairly
competent people is, it is really

654
00:33:48,424 --> 00:33:51,554
easy to get in the mindset of, I'm
just going to make the decision.

655
00:33:51,989 --> 00:33:53,249
Because it will be the right decision.

656
00:33:53,449 --> 00:33:57,649
I often joke with our lodgers actually
when something happens in our house that

657
00:33:57,659 --> 00:34:02,959
I would have made some kind of comment
on, and it goes the way that I predicted.

658
00:34:03,329 --> 00:34:03,529
I

659
00:34:04,169 --> 00:34:05,139
Will Sopwith: can just see you're smug.

660
00:34:05,139 --> 00:34:05,379
Yeah.

661
00:34:05,379 --> 00:34:05,889
I just sit

662
00:34:05,889 --> 00:34:07,223
Matt Edmundson: there and
I have this one question.

663
00:34:07,223 --> 00:34:10,840
It's not a good thing, but I have
this one question I just say to them.

664
00:34:11,330 --> 00:34:12,220
What can we learn from this?

665
00:34:15,590 --> 00:34:17,450
So when they sit there and
say, Matt, you were right.

666
00:34:17,490 --> 00:34:20,220
That's generally my first question
is what can we learn from this?

667
00:34:21,070 --> 00:34:22,600
I'm amazed your nose is not more broken.

668
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:26,460
They throw their dinner plates at me.

669
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,680
But it's an interesting one, isn't it?

670
00:34:30,270 --> 00:34:37,565
But I think it's easy if you are
successful and competent to not think

671
00:34:37,575 --> 00:34:41,925
that anybody really, one of the things
that I've noticed with entrepreneurs

672
00:34:42,015 --> 00:34:47,205
as an example of this is entrepreneurs
who are Christians in church, there is

673
00:34:47,205 --> 00:34:50,785
a disproportionate number of them who
will go and set up their own charity.

674
00:34:51,225 --> 00:34:52,705
I don't know if you've noticed
this, but this is one of the

675
00:34:52,705 --> 00:34:53,775
things that I've noticed, right?

676
00:34:53,775 --> 00:34:57,605
Yeah, I was the same in the sense that
a few years ago, the conversation.

677
00:34:57,705 --> 00:35:00,965
Yeah, I'm like, I'm going to set we
set up a charity called next chapter.

678
00:35:00,965 --> 00:35:01,555
We set that up.

679
00:35:01,565 --> 00:35:04,470
We're like, We're gonna put all
our money into next chapter.

680
00:35:04,475 --> 00:35:06,300
And next chapter we'll do X, Y, and Z.

681
00:35:06,610 --> 00:35:08,415
This is the mission of the charity.

682
00:35:08,745 --> 00:35:11,325
And so I was doing it.

683
00:35:11,330 --> 00:35:14,265
Some friends would, they'd set up
their own charity here in the uk.

684
00:35:14,265 --> 00:35:15,435
So I'm in the States had done it.

685
00:35:15,435 --> 00:35:19,275
And so I remember sitting there
thinking, why have I done that?

686
00:35:20,085 --> 00:35:22,125
Why did I set up a charity?

687
00:35:23,705 --> 00:35:30,425
And if I was honest, brutally honest
with myself, it's because I didn't trust.

688
00:35:31,235 --> 00:35:35,555
The people in church, if I give my money
to church, I didn't trust them enough

689
00:35:35,575 --> 00:35:37,425
to do the right thing with that money.

690
00:35:37,805 --> 00:35:40,725
And that I felt I could make
better decisions about that money

691
00:35:40,725 --> 00:35:42,105
that would have a bigger impact.

692
00:35:42,385 --> 00:35:43,045
Does that make sense?

693
00:35:43,665 --> 00:35:45,335
This is a very entrepreneurial thing.

694
00:35:45,335 --> 00:35:49,685
So you go into entrepreneurs in church
really struggle because they look at

695
00:35:49,685 --> 00:35:50,855
things and they go I'd do that better.

696
00:35:50,885 --> 00:35:51,455
That should be better.

697
00:35:51,535 --> 00:35:52,075
This should be better.

698
00:35:52,205 --> 00:35:52,855
That should be better.

699
00:35:52,855 --> 00:35:53,755
Why don't you do this?

700
00:35:53,785 --> 00:35:54,575
What's wrong with you?

701
00:35:55,215 --> 00:35:58,115
And it's very hard to
silence those voices.

702
00:35:58,115 --> 00:36:02,405
I don't know if this is answering your
questions, but I think it, it's one of

703
00:36:02,405 --> 00:36:06,775
those things where it's, it Nicholas
put in the comments, I remember that

704
00:36:06,775 --> 00:36:09,735
question, I'll probably ask that Nicola,
what can we learn from this Nicola but I

705
00:36:09,745 --> 00:36:15,560
think it is one of those things where the
more successful you are, the less reason

706
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,870
you have in your own mind to listen to
or try and submit to the voice of good.

707
00:36:19,900 --> 00:36:23,370
Will Sopwith: Yeah, but I think the
word trust is absolutely key there.

708
00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:29,520
And the reason I like the picture of the
father and child is that Hopefully, in

709
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,760
a healthy kind of family relationship
that the child begin puts trust in

710
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:38,620
their parents because they have lots of
examples of where that has gone good.

711
00:36:38,740 --> 00:36:43,360
And I think, and that's a real key
element and, we call it faith in,

712
00:36:43,390 --> 00:36:47,690
in Christianity and in religion,
there's a faith in who God is.

713
00:36:48,030 --> 00:36:52,590
And I think it's very difficult to submit
if we don't trust who we're submitting to.

714
00:36:52,860 --> 00:36:53,760
And to be honest.

715
00:36:54,190 --> 00:36:57,570
The only way really to build
that trust is to try it.

716
00:36:57,940 --> 00:37:02,255
Yeah, so okay, like me with the holidays,
it's oh, we pray about holidays.

717
00:37:02,565 --> 00:37:07,125
Yeah, I'm a little bit scoffing about
ideas that come or wherever we go, and

718
00:37:07,125 --> 00:37:11,795
it's just like the best ever for whatever
reason and it's as we step on that journey

719
00:37:11,825 --> 00:37:15,358
of trust of just allowing ourselves to be
a little bit vulnerable with God, let's

720
00:37:15,358 --> 00:37:16,858
try and do this a bit, a different way.

721
00:37:16,918 --> 00:37:17,218
Yeah.

722
00:37:17,298 --> 00:37:17,958
That we learn that.

723
00:37:18,268 --> 00:37:19,608
And that's where the Bible is so key.

724
00:37:19,638 --> 00:37:23,658
Cause you can read in the Bible and say,
okay, this describes a God who, who is

725
00:37:23,663 --> 00:37:25,158
loving, who is gracious, who is merciful.

726
00:37:25,338 --> 00:37:29,338
You look at Jesus, you look at the
stories of Jesus and go, yeah I can trust.

727
00:37:29,338 --> 00:37:34,403
But moving from what people say about
Jesus, or what you read in the word

728
00:37:34,403 --> 00:37:38,633
to actually your own experience of
Jesus in your life, that's that's

729
00:37:38,633 --> 00:37:42,983
really when that kind of journey
with God, and that wholeness really

730
00:37:42,983 --> 00:37:45,143
begins and, but it's a leap of faith.

731
00:37:45,193 --> 00:37:47,913
When you put your trust in someone
else, particularly on a decision

732
00:37:47,923 --> 00:37:49,863
that you think you could do better.

733
00:37:52,113 --> 00:37:52,883
That is faith, isn't it?

734
00:37:53,483 --> 00:37:54,833
You're taking a risk there.

735
00:37:54,993 --> 00:37:59,733
And there's an element, actually, of
being whole in God that does need, does

736
00:38:00,163 --> 00:38:01,623
taking a little bit of risk sometimes.

737
00:38:01,783 --> 00:38:03,163
Matt Edmundson: Yeah, I think you have to.

738
00:38:03,233 --> 00:38:04,273
I don't think you can.

739
00:38:06,623 --> 00:38:07,943
I think that's such a true statement.

740
00:38:08,568 --> 00:38:11,598
That actually wholeness, you
can't be whole with all the T's

741
00:38:11,598 --> 00:38:12,978
crossed and all the I's dotted.

742
00:38:14,168 --> 00:38:19,108
I see a guy once a week, sometimes twice a
week, super anxious guy super anxious guy.

743
00:38:19,108 --> 00:38:22,138
He's not a Christian,
suffers a lot with anxiety.

744
00:38:22,598 --> 00:38:25,168
When I talk with him, his
whole thing is about control.

745
00:38:25,228 --> 00:38:25,248
Yeah.

746
00:38:25,783 --> 00:38:28,193
He wants some element of
control over his life.

747
00:38:28,243 --> 00:38:29,813
I don't understand why this is happening.

748
00:38:29,813 --> 00:38:30,593
Why is this happening?

749
00:38:30,593 --> 00:38:32,093
Why would God let this happen to me?

750
00:38:32,853 --> 00:38:34,313
I want control.

751
00:38:34,563 --> 00:38:37,023
He wants all his T's crossed
and all his I's dotted.

752
00:38:37,023 --> 00:38:38,423
But I don't think that's wholeness.

753
00:38:38,423 --> 00:38:39,543
I don't think that's right.

754
00:38:39,543 --> 00:38:43,803
I think there is an element
of God is a very faithful God

755
00:38:43,803 --> 00:38:45,323
and he is very trustworthy.

756
00:38:46,083 --> 00:38:48,473
But his call is to live
a life of adventure.

757
00:38:49,018 --> 00:38:55,868
At least in my head, rather than live a
life of just utter, no drama whatsoever.

758
00:38:56,268 --> 00:38:57,388
Will Sopwith: Yeah, absolutely.

759
00:38:57,428 --> 00:39:01,148
And I think, I like what Pete said
about the offense of the cross and

760
00:39:01,148 --> 00:39:04,288
that, that, that's a verse in the
Bible, but what's offensive about

761
00:39:04,288 --> 00:39:06,118
the cross, it's that very thing.

762
00:39:06,318 --> 00:39:11,858
It's saying, your idea of that control
and your plan might not be the best.

763
00:39:12,308 --> 00:39:15,508
And that's offensive because we're
like, particularly as adults, I

764
00:39:15,508 --> 00:39:17,608
think we find it easier as kids.

765
00:39:17,623 --> 00:39:21,683
I think we accept that we
don't know everything as kids.

766
00:39:21,933 --> 00:39:22,663
We're learning.

767
00:39:22,723 --> 00:39:26,683
As adults, we particularly if we're
competent adults, we lose a sense of

768
00:39:26,683 --> 00:39:30,953
that and go, actually, my way is the best
way, or certainly the most comfortable

769
00:39:30,963 --> 00:39:35,613
because I'm in control, and that idea,
and this is where that idea of submission

770
00:39:36,253 --> 00:39:43,523
to God that we can't even see and gets a
lot of bad press from lots of angles and

771
00:39:43,633 --> 00:39:48,363
you know all the rest that can be quite
offensive particularly where you've got

772
00:39:48,363 --> 00:39:52,103
that now if I just control everything
and that comes back to that sense of

773
00:39:52,133 --> 00:39:56,083
that there is a right there is one
right way there's a right decision for

774
00:39:56,083 --> 00:40:00,833
everything yeah it's a lot more nuanced
when we start walking with God it's yeah

775
00:40:01,323 --> 00:40:06,493
there's best ways to go but actually
The walking with God and the submitting

776
00:40:06,493 --> 00:40:09,733
to God and allowing God to speak
into our every decision bad and good.

777
00:40:09,943 --> 00:40:13,703
Yeah, it's far more the point than
whether we get it absolutely right.

778
00:40:14,693 --> 00:40:15,563
Matt Edmundson: Yeah, so true.

779
00:40:15,563 --> 00:40:18,993
I was as you were talking, I'm thinking
of, the game Tetris, that we almost

780
00:40:18,993 --> 00:40:22,653
view it like that, that we have to
get the, what God tells us to do, it

781
00:40:22,693 --> 00:40:26,253
has to be in the right place at the
right time at the right angle and If

782
00:40:26,253 --> 00:40:29,393
it doesn't, it just all builds up and
life just falls apart and, game over.

783
00:40:29,893 --> 00:40:31,223
I don't think it's like that at all.

784
00:40:31,263 --> 00:40:34,513
I think my experience is God leads you.

785
00:40:34,683 --> 00:40:39,583
I remember coming to the revelation once
that is actually, I think if you are

786
00:40:39,583 --> 00:40:45,923
a Christian who, reading their Bible,
praying, seeking God, genuinely heart of

787
00:40:45,963 --> 00:40:50,923
humility, are in some kind of accountable
relationships with godly people.

788
00:40:51,813 --> 00:40:53,433
I think it is really powerful.

789
00:40:53,833 --> 00:40:58,533
I think it's harder to miss the
will of God than it is to hit it.

790
00:40:59,403 --> 00:41:00,013
Do you see what I mean?

791
00:41:01,293 --> 00:41:04,893
I think sometimes it's we make it
much bigger than it actually is.

792
00:41:04,893 --> 00:41:08,823
And actually just trusting God and
believing that I'm in His will.

793
00:41:11,093 --> 00:41:12,463
I tend to overthink it.

794
00:41:12,463 --> 00:41:13,633
I tend to make it more complicated.

795
00:41:13,633 --> 00:41:15,473
And actually I think it can
be quite a simple thing.

796
00:41:16,003 --> 00:41:19,123
And I think we can trust God with the fact
that we might not know the end from the

797
00:41:19,123 --> 00:41:22,953
beginning, and I might not have, seen the
lightning across the sky and heard the

798
00:41:22,953 --> 00:41:27,993
voices of angels and and all that sort of
stuff, but I can trust God enough to know.

799
00:41:28,658 --> 00:41:30,468
That my steps are ordered of him.

800
00:41:30,688 --> 00:41:30,938
Yeah.

801
00:41:31,048 --> 00:41:31,588
Do you know what I mean?

802
00:41:31,718 --> 00:41:31,918
Yeah.

803
00:41:31,958 --> 00:41:35,388
As it says in Proverbs, in the old
King James Version my steps are

804
00:41:35,388 --> 00:41:39,688
ordered or directed by God, that he
leads me, he guides me, that the Holy

805
00:41:39,688 --> 00:41:41,708
Spirit lives in me, I'm led by him.

806
00:41:42,008 --> 00:41:49,098
Sometimes, that will be very specific
direction, but most of the time, it's

807
00:41:49,098 --> 00:41:52,298
just me going, God's laying down my life.

808
00:41:52,833 --> 00:41:55,243
Before you do with it,
what you will guide me,

809
00:41:55,373 --> 00:41:56,593
Will Sopwith: yeah, absolutely.

810
00:41:56,593 --> 00:41:59,773
And he's just commented can be
freeing that you can only do your

811
00:41:59,773 --> 00:42:01,203
best and trust God to do the rest.

812
00:42:01,203 --> 00:42:06,233
And there's a sense of that, of
I'm focused on, yeah, do doing the

813
00:42:06,233 --> 00:42:10,123
simple steps and just trusting that
God is behind it and it's working.

814
00:42:10,123 --> 00:42:11,583
And yeah, and that's absolutely true.

815
00:42:11,623 --> 00:42:12,473
And I think he does.

816
00:42:12,753 --> 00:42:13,843
I really think he does.

817
00:42:14,463 --> 00:42:14,803
Matt Edmundson: I do.

818
00:42:15,093 --> 00:42:17,633
And I think there are sometimes
actually when you can reason with God.

819
00:42:17,633 --> 00:42:21,583
And I think sometimes God will
put choices in front of you, where

820
00:42:22,203 --> 00:42:23,103
it's well, what do you think?

821
00:42:23,853 --> 00:42:25,953
I feel like I have these
conversations with God, where

822
00:42:25,953 --> 00:42:26,913
it's, what do you think, Matt?

823
00:42:26,913 --> 00:42:28,023
What do you want to do here?

824
00:42:28,813 --> 00:42:31,193
I think marriage is a
classic example, right?

825
00:42:31,633 --> 00:42:36,753
That when I married Sharon, could I
have married anybody else on the planet?

826
00:42:37,273 --> 00:42:38,023
Absolutely.

827
00:42:39,103 --> 00:42:42,053
But as soon as I married
Sharon, absolutely not.

828
00:42:42,313 --> 00:42:42,653
Yeah.

829
00:42:43,363 --> 00:42:43,933
Do you know what I mean?

830
00:42:44,253 --> 00:42:44,753
Absolutely.

831
00:42:45,313 --> 00:42:48,003
And I think there was an element
of God going, Sharon is a

832
00:42:48,023 --> 00:42:50,073
beautiful woman, very godly woman.

833
00:42:50,073 --> 00:42:52,123
And I think if you two got
married, it would be amazing.

834
00:42:52,123 --> 00:42:53,763
This was the impression
I got when I prayed.

835
00:42:53,763 --> 00:42:54,493
I hope she's listening.

836
00:42:55,623 --> 00:42:56,503
To send her the recording.

837
00:42:56,963 --> 00:43:00,353
And I think part of that was my choice.

838
00:43:00,738 --> 00:43:04,158
As well, but I feel like
God was definitely in it.

839
00:43:04,158 --> 00:43:07,388
We'll talk more about this when we talk
about relationship when we get into

840
00:43:07,388 --> 00:43:10,178
relationship health and how have a healthy
marriage and all that sort of stuff.

841
00:43:11,828 --> 00:43:14,348
But as soon as I was as soon as
that decision was made, as soon

842
00:43:14,348 --> 00:43:16,753
as we said I do, then I agreed.

843
00:43:17,673 --> 00:43:20,733
I have to believe that she is the only
person that I can be married to right now.

844
00:43:20,783 --> 00:43:22,943
Otherwise, you go down this road of
maybe I'm married to the wrong woman.

845
00:43:23,053 --> 00:43:23,283
Yeah.

846
00:43:23,283 --> 00:43:23,723
Do you know what I mean?

847
00:43:23,723 --> 00:43:28,683
And that I've seen too many people
do that in the sense of they get

848
00:43:28,683 --> 00:43:30,093
married thinking it's the right thing.

849
00:43:30,103 --> 00:43:31,193
Marriage becomes hard.

850
00:43:31,193 --> 00:43:34,873
And so the conclusion is, I married
the wrong woman, because there's

851
00:43:34,873 --> 00:43:36,423
only one right woman for me to marry.

852
00:43:36,423 --> 00:43:37,783
And obviously, she's not it.

853
00:43:38,213 --> 00:43:38,633
Do you know what I mean?

854
00:43:38,773 --> 00:43:38,983
Yeah.

855
00:43:39,023 --> 00:43:42,013
And so you, that's the reason for divorce.

856
00:43:42,033 --> 00:43:46,773
Or the other key reason for divorce
is because people get married

857
00:43:46,773 --> 00:43:47,983
who shouldn't have got married.

858
00:43:48,843 --> 00:43:49,433
Do you see what I mean?

859
00:43:49,653 --> 00:43:52,493
They weren't brave enough to break
off the relationship at the start.

860
00:43:53,243 --> 00:43:54,983
And again, we'll get into all of that.

861
00:43:55,003 --> 00:44:00,703
But Peter says, yeah, trust is
the big thing in any relationship,

862
00:44:00,703 --> 00:44:01,383
as in any relationship.

863
00:44:01,383 --> 00:44:01,933
Yeah, that's totally true.

864
00:44:02,483 --> 00:44:08,173
You've got to trust and I think to be
led by God fundamentally requires you

865
00:44:08,173 --> 00:44:10,473
to be trusted by, for you to trust God.

866
00:44:10,593 --> 00:44:10,903
Will Sopwith: Yeah.

867
00:44:11,163 --> 00:44:15,353
And I think, building on what Andy said
about trying our best one phrase that

868
00:44:15,353 --> 00:44:19,683
I've found very helpful in my Christian
life is that the decisions you make,

869
00:44:19,813 --> 00:44:25,583
and again, as soon as you have kids, the
sort of decisions you make become, it's

870
00:44:25,583 --> 00:44:30,153
just a whole other order of pressure
and importance, every decision I've made

871
00:44:30,183 --> 00:44:32,583
before I had kids just feels really?

872
00:44:33,273 --> 00:44:36,003
Decisions you make about your
kids, it's oh, wow this is a

873
00:44:36,013 --> 00:44:38,903
life I deeply care about, and I
want to make the right decision.

874
00:44:39,263 --> 00:44:43,473
And, but a phrase that's really helped
me is, God will never judge us for

875
00:44:43,473 --> 00:44:47,723
making a decision in it with the level
of understanding and faith that we had,

876
00:44:47,793 --> 00:44:50,673
and it's, as you say, if you're doing
this stuff, if you're trying to walk

877
00:44:50,673 --> 00:44:53,883
with God, if you're trying to pray, if
you're trying to understand his word

878
00:44:54,193 --> 00:44:58,113
and you make some bad decisions, but
you make them in the light of how much

879
00:44:58,123 --> 00:45:01,833
you had at the time, God is loving
and he's most gracious and he will be

880
00:45:01,833 --> 00:45:03,763
with you in that and he may guide you

881
00:45:04,028 --> 00:45:07,288
afterwards and say, that wasn't
the best but that sense of

882
00:45:07,838 --> 00:45:08,708
it takes the pressure off.

883
00:45:08,728 --> 00:45:10,218
Like I've got to find the right way.

884
00:45:10,218 --> 00:45:10,473
No.

885
00:45:10,773 --> 00:45:14,773
God gives us a measure of faith and
understanding and that can be very small

886
00:45:15,453 --> 00:45:16,913
when we first start out as a Christian.

887
00:45:17,533 --> 00:45:20,113
It can stay small when we're very
mature Christians, to be honest.

888
00:45:21,803 --> 00:45:24,793
But with that level of understanding
that we have, if we're working off

889
00:45:24,793 --> 00:45:28,503
that and trying to truly submit it
to God, He will always be with us

890
00:45:28,523 --> 00:45:31,683
and seeking to bless us and guide us.

891
00:45:31,973 --> 00:45:35,373
Matt Edmundson: Yeah, the way I'd say
that is God can handle my failure much

892
00:45:35,373 --> 00:45:36,963
more than He can handle my disobedience.

893
00:45:37,418 --> 00:45:38,238
Will Sopwith: Oh, absolutely.

894
00:45:38,248 --> 00:45:38,628
Do you know what I

895
00:45:38,628 --> 00:45:38,998
Matt Edmundson: mean?

896
00:45:39,028 --> 00:45:41,288
And so I think I'll include
that in my next talk.

897
00:45:41,448 --> 00:45:42,298
You go for that.

898
00:45:42,398 --> 00:45:45,028
You just you can rub that
you quote that in your talks.

899
00:45:45,178 --> 00:45:46,738
If you ever do a talk
crowd, just quote me.

900
00:45:46,818 --> 00:45:47,298
It's fine.

901
00:45:47,648 --> 00:45:53,308
No, but I think it's I think it's a
really, again, I just remember thinking,

902
00:45:54,078 --> 00:45:59,887
you know what, I want to be the person
that feels like I've heard God and I will

903
00:45:59,887 --> 00:46:01,868
have a go, rather than person that feels
like , I've heard God and not have a go.

904
00:46:02,113 --> 00:46:11,293
And if I get it wrong, like you say, which
I've done in the past, as hard as it is

905
00:46:11,293 --> 00:46:12,723
to believe Nicola, I know, I'm sorry.

906
00:46:12,773 --> 00:46:17,083
When you get it wrong, I think
God can cope with your failure.

907
00:46:17,103 --> 00:46:19,263
And I actually think people
can cope with your failure.

908
00:46:19,443 --> 00:46:21,793
Friends, people around you,
they can cope with your failure.

909
00:46:22,793 --> 00:46:25,256
I probably am the one that
struggles with it the most.

910
00:46:25,256 --> 00:46:26,143
Yeah, that's absolutely true.

911
00:46:26,203 --> 00:46:31,433
But I think God can handle that much
better than he can handle my disobedience.

912
00:46:31,493 --> 00:46:35,903
It's when we actively disobey God's
leading that we have problems.

913
00:46:35,913 --> 00:46:37,813
So sometimes I don't always understand it.

914
00:46:37,823 --> 00:46:39,653
Sometimes I don't always have
the right and across the sky.

915
00:46:40,103 --> 00:46:43,303
But there are sometimes where I
know God has said to do something.

916
00:46:43,643 --> 00:46:49,763
And if I walk away from that, if I don't
do that, I don't it's not like I'm losing

917
00:46:49,763 --> 00:46:50,993
my salvation or anything like that.

918
00:46:50,993 --> 00:46:51,763
I don't think that's true.

919
00:46:52,113 --> 00:46:53,953
I just think that's when I
have the biggest problems.

920
00:46:53,993 --> 00:46:54,193
Will Sopwith: Yeah.

921
00:46:54,613 --> 00:46:55,453
Yeah, I agree.

922
00:46:55,863 --> 00:46:58,593
If someone's struggling with that
then, and they're like, they've

923
00:46:58,673 --> 00:47:02,653
got a decision, and they're saying,
how do I know that God is good?

924
00:47:02,663 --> 00:47:04,553
How do I know that God's for me?

925
00:47:05,923 --> 00:47:07,433
What confidence can I have?

926
00:47:07,853 --> 00:47:09,873
Why should I submit to God?

927
00:47:09,923 --> 00:47:13,723
Because, I've got a track record of making
decisions and look I'm doing all right.

928
00:47:14,153 --> 00:47:15,053
I'm still alive.

929
00:47:15,543 --> 00:47:16,623
Things are going well.

930
00:47:16,973 --> 00:47:18,583
Why on earth should I
start submitting to God?

931
00:47:18,723 --> 00:47:19,403
What would you say?

932
00:47:19,453 --> 00:47:24,143
How would you persuade someone that
actually it's better to be submitting

933
00:47:24,153 --> 00:47:26,103
to God as Peter's explained?

934
00:47:26,793 --> 00:47:30,013
Matt Edmundson: Honestly, I just,
I would use the same analogy that.

935
00:47:30,498 --> 00:47:34,358
Pete used in with him and the child
and I've known we've had these

936
00:47:34,358 --> 00:47:37,108
conversations before, but I've worked
with some of the wealthiest people

937
00:47:37,108 --> 00:47:41,698
on the planet, flown on their private
jets stayed in their ski chalets.

938
00:47:41,778 --> 00:47:45,708
I have been wined and dined by
the wealthy people of the world.

939
00:47:46,358 --> 00:47:54,693
And what was always fascinating about
them was they were hyper successful.

940
00:47:54,713 --> 00:48:01,543
The top of the top, billionaires in
more ways than one, but it was always

941
00:48:01,543 --> 00:48:07,643
fascinating talking to them because
fundamentally within inside of 30

942
00:48:07,663 --> 00:48:12,953
seconds, 60 seconds of talking to
them, you knew deep down, something

943
00:48:12,953 --> 00:48:14,813
was missing and they knew it too.

944
00:48:15,673 --> 00:48:17,563
And the chasing of success.

945
00:48:17,973 --> 00:48:18,573
It's interesting.

946
00:48:18,573 --> 00:48:21,023
Those that are hyper successful,
I think they keep chasing

947
00:48:21,023 --> 00:48:22,673
success, trying to fulfill a void.

948
00:48:23,073 --> 00:48:26,823
It's the middle class that I think
has the biggest problem because the

949
00:48:26,823 --> 00:48:30,383
middle class are successful compared
to most people, as in we're paying

950
00:48:30,383 --> 00:48:31,964
the mortgage, we're eating okay food.

951
00:48:31,964 --> 00:48:32,498
I've got the Volvo.

952
00:48:32,498 --> 00:48:33,033
I've got the 2.

953
00:48:33,033 --> 00:48:35,173
4 kids.

954
00:48:37,233 --> 00:48:39,473
There's an energy crisis
going on, there's, cost of

955
00:48:39,473 --> 00:48:41,133
living crisis and I'm okay.

956
00:48:41,163 --> 00:48:45,503
I won't go skiing in Aston this winter,
but the rest of my life is okay.

957
00:48:46,003 --> 00:48:48,623
I think they're the people that
have the biggest problem because

958
00:48:48,623 --> 00:48:53,673
I think they become numb and they
become deceived by what they have.

959
00:48:53,673 --> 00:48:56,513
Whereas the hyper successful
they keep chasing because they've

960
00:48:56,513 --> 00:48:57,853
experienced this hyper success.

961
00:48:57,853 --> 00:48:59,463
They feel like they need to keep chasing.

962
00:48:59,933 --> 00:49:01,443
It's when you're sat in the middle.

963
00:49:02,888 --> 00:49:05,698
That you've got the biggest problem,
I think, and if that's you, if you're

964
00:49:05,698 --> 00:49:10,758
watching the live stream, you're in
this middle class, my life is okay,

965
00:49:10,778 --> 00:49:14,588
I've got the house, I've maybe got
a holiday home, I've got my pension

966
00:49:14,588 --> 00:49:16,948
fund, I've got all this sort of stuff.

967
00:49:18,428 --> 00:49:24,198
I think it's very easy to get sucked
into keeping that as a lifestyle, to feel

968
00:49:24,208 --> 00:49:26,428
like that's all that God's got for you.

969
00:49:26,913 --> 00:49:31,873
And actually when God calls you,
yeah, into sort of his plans, I think

970
00:49:31,873 --> 00:49:36,153
if you're, if you're not in that
group and you're broken then the call

971
00:49:36,153 --> 00:49:37,353
of God is just a beautiful thing.

972
00:49:37,353 --> 00:49:39,273
Because what have I got to lose, right?

973
00:49:39,293 --> 00:49:39,623
I

974
00:49:40,243 --> 00:49:42,483
Will Sopwith: was going to say, it's
really interesting that you look in

975
00:49:42,483 --> 00:49:46,203
many parts of the world where the church
is absolutely on fire and thriving.

976
00:49:46,568 --> 00:49:51,248
Because the idea of heaven is beautiful,
because life on earth is hell, like in,

977
00:49:51,278 --> 00:49:55,568
these churches on rubbish dumps in Asia
and that's a reality, and you can look

978
00:49:55,568 --> 00:49:58,448
down on it a little bit sniffily and
say, Oh of course, they're Christians,

979
00:49:58,468 --> 00:50:00,868
because they haven't got anything else.

980
00:50:00,868 --> 00:50:06,578
But actually,  there's a real key there,
because they really understand that what

981
00:50:06,578 --> 00:50:11,318
they've received from God, they really
understand that exchange of I love God

982
00:50:11,378 --> 00:50:14,098
and there is a hope and there's joy.

983
00:50:14,118 --> 00:50:18,643
There's real sincere joy and peace in a
circumstance that most of us would go.

984
00:50:19,453 --> 00:50:21,993
I'd hate to live in that.

985
00:50:21,993 --> 00:50:25,053
And you're right, there's
a kind of numbness where we

986
00:50:25,053 --> 00:50:27,193
have it just all together.

987
00:50:28,163 --> 00:50:29,193
But I'd say there is more.

988
00:50:29,283 --> 00:50:34,223
There's more, there's a higher level
of joy and a peace and fulfilment,

989
00:50:34,233 --> 00:50:37,153
certainly, when we start to submit to God.

990
00:50:38,043 --> 00:50:38,673
Matt Edmundson: Absolutely.

991
00:50:38,733 --> 00:50:39,243
I think it's great.

992
00:50:39,243 --> 00:50:46,043
I'd say to you, don't let comfort talk you
out of the adventures that awaiting God.

993
00:50:46,223 --> 00:50:46,523
Absolutely.

994
00:50:46,603 --> 00:50:49,123
I think comfort is one of those
things that we perceive to be

995
00:50:49,123 --> 00:50:52,353
whole and it genuinely isn't.

996
00:50:52,983 --> 00:50:55,743
And we'll talk more about this as we
go through the becoming whole series.

997
00:50:55,863 --> 00:50:56,373
It's fleeting

998
00:50:56,373 --> 00:50:56,733
Will Sopwith: as well.

999
00:50:56,793 --> 00:50:57,268
Come from Yeah.

1000
00:50:57,273 --> 00:50:57,483
Yeah.

1001
00:50:57,483 --> 00:51:01,583
And there's always a kind of a wake at
night, what if my circumstance changes?

1002
00:51:01,583 --> 00:51:02,363
What if this changes?

1003
00:51:02,368 --> 00:51:02,458
Yeah.

1004
00:51:02,843 --> 00:51:03,503
What have I got?

1005
00:51:03,563 --> 00:51:04,643
And, yeah.

1006
00:51:06,018 --> 00:51:06,658
Very good.

1007
00:51:06,708 --> 00:51:07,368
Great comments.

1008
00:51:07,368 --> 00:51:08,038
Thanks all.

1009
00:51:08,308 --> 00:51:08,838
Yeah.

1010
00:51:09,448 --> 00:51:12,778
Matt Edmundson: Miriam, I always
find guidance in God my comforter.

1011
00:51:13,308 --> 00:51:15,508
Jamie, first time here
tonight and love this.

1012
00:51:15,518 --> 00:51:16,358
Thank you, chaps.

1013
00:51:16,688 --> 00:51:19,088
I'm gonna put that in the comments
cause you called us Chaps.

1014
00:51:20,048 --> 00:51:22,418
, 
Will Sopwith: it's obviously
English and lots from Matt Crew

1015
00:51:22,418 --> 00:51:24,328
about a red team of footballers.

1016
00:51:24,538 --> 00:51:24,778
Yeah.

1017
00:51:24,778 --> 00:51:25,168
I didn't know he was

1018
00:51:25,173 --> 00:51:26,428
Matt Edmundson: a Liverpool fan maybe.

1019
00:51:26,638 --> 00:51:26,938
Yeah.

1020
00:51:27,038 --> 00:51:30,968
When Stormzy leading Worship at Crowd,
do you know about the Stormzy  story?

1021
00:51:31,173 --> 00:51:33,228
Will Sopwith: Bits and pieces
from my son actually but not

1022
00:51:33,228 --> 00:51:34,188
in any great detail today.

1023
00:51:34,188 --> 00:51:34,488
But did you

1024
00:51:34,488 --> 00:51:35,448
Matt Edmundson: know he retweeted.

1025
00:51:36,008 --> 00:51:38,538
or reposted Dan Orange's talk.

1026
00:51:38,538 --> 00:51:39,438
I didn't know that.

1027
00:51:39,438 --> 00:51:39,688
Yeah.

1028
00:51:39,718 --> 00:51:40,078
Wow.

1029
00:51:40,088 --> 00:51:40,358
Yeah.

1030
00:51:40,368 --> 00:51:41,828
We're talking about it last week on crowd.

1031
00:51:42,358 --> 00:51:46,558
So Stormzy , we have, we put on TikTok
and YouTube, all this platforms.

1032
00:51:46,558 --> 00:51:49,148
We have these little 30, 60
second snippets from talks.

1033
00:51:49,148 --> 00:51:49,888
There's some of you on there.

1034
00:51:49,968 --> 00:51:50,138
Yeah.

1035
00:51:50,178 --> 00:51:50,848
Doing quite well.

1036
00:51:51,413 --> 00:51:54,203
But you didn't get reposted
by Stormzy , but Dan did.

1037
00:51:54,923 --> 00:51:59,123
Dan walked about a foot higher when
I told him Stormzy  had reposted.

1038
00:51:59,363 --> 00:52:01,813
So he's got thousands and
thousands  of views of Dan talking

1039
00:52:01,813 --> 00:52:02,803
about prayer, which is great.

1040
00:52:02,803 --> 00:52:03,223
So goodness.

1041
00:52:03,463 --> 00:52:05,173
That's why the Stormzy
are leading worships

1042
00:52:05,173 --> 00:52:05,503
Will Sopwith: from it.

1043
00:52:05,508 --> 00:52:06,013
That's very good.

1044
00:52:06,013 --> 00:52:06,223
Yeah.

1045
00:52:06,223 --> 00:52:06,283
Yeah.

1046
00:52:06,973 --> 00:52:11,623
A final thing about the question right at
the beginning about did you get a verse

1047
00:52:11,623 --> 00:52:12,703
when you were walking around the park?

1048
00:52:12,913 --> 00:52:17,263
I think one of the key things that
I've learned over my Christian life.

1049
00:52:17,773 --> 00:52:22,733
is that when you don't have a clear
answer, you don't have a skywriting or

1050
00:52:22,733 --> 00:52:25,143
a verse that pops out and is perfect.

1051
00:52:25,173 --> 00:52:29,393
I think a sense of peace about a
decision you make when you've prayed,

1052
00:52:29,453 --> 00:52:32,673
when you've submitted to God, I think
is absolutely a real key guide for me.

1053
00:52:32,963 --> 00:52:35,863
When I feel a sense, just a
peace, and that's the Holy Spirit.

1054
00:52:35,893 --> 00:52:37,203
That literally is the Holy Spirit.

1055
00:52:37,203 --> 00:52:38,183
We believe the Holy Spirit.

1056
00:52:38,183 --> 00:52:40,833
When we submit to God and
become a Christian, the Holy

1057
00:52:40,833 --> 00:52:42,953
Spirit lives inside of us.

1058
00:52:43,033 --> 00:52:45,993
And there's a kind of communing
with the Holy Spirit of God.

1059
00:52:46,333 --> 00:52:49,313
And where you get a sense of peace
about a decision that you prayed

1060
00:52:49,313 --> 00:52:53,393
about, that for me has really stood
the test of time as being, yeah, I

1061
00:52:53,863 --> 00:52:55,223
just feel peaceful about that decision.

1062
00:52:55,703 --> 00:52:58,293
And that I take very
much as God's leading.

1063
00:52:58,723 --> 00:52:59,823
Matt Edmundson: Yeah very true.

1064
00:52:59,823 --> 00:53:02,623
There's this wonderful story in
the book of Acts where which we've

1065
00:53:02,623 --> 00:53:06,413
been working through we finished
working through it where Paul Goes

1066
00:53:06,413 --> 00:53:09,533
on one of his missionary journeys
and he start, this is the aged Paul.

1067
00:53:09,563 --> 00:53:10,913
This is the Apostle Paul.

1068
00:53:10,913 --> 00:53:15,293
This is the man that wrote that, children
of God are led by the spirit of God.

1069
00:53:15,293 --> 00:53:19,163
He knew God and he'd had some
dynamic encounters with Jesus.

1070
00:53:19,463 --> 00:53:24,353
And he starts going down this road
and it, and the Bible says as he went.

1071
00:53:25,143 --> 00:53:26,983
The Holy Spirit constrained him.

1072
00:53:27,793 --> 00:53:31,713
Love that phrase, that language, as
in, I not got this sense of peace.

1073
00:53:31,713 --> 00:53:33,763
I've got a sense that
something's not right.

1074
00:53:33,763 --> 00:53:35,913
And so Paul goes, hang on a minute.

1075
00:53:36,053 --> 00:53:39,013
Now, this is Paul, that surely
he prayed about going on.

1076
00:53:39,223 --> 00:53:41,393
And  he thought he was
going the right way.

1077
00:53:41,923 --> 00:53:46,263
Even Paul, but on that journey, he
could trust God and God got through

1078
00:53:46,263 --> 00:53:49,513
to him by this sort of sense of
uneasiness by this constraining.

1079
00:53:49,633 --> 00:53:51,043
And he's maybe we should go this way.

1080
00:53:51,583 --> 00:53:52,133
Yeah, let's go.

1081
00:53:52,343 --> 00:53:54,063
And there was a sense
of peace alongside that.

1082
00:53:54,083 --> 00:53:59,363
And  I think listening to that voice,
that sense of peace is so key that

1083
00:53:59,373 --> 00:54:04,213
sometimes things just seem right,
even though they don't make sense.

1084
00:54:04,223 --> 00:54:06,393
And then some things just don't.

1085
00:54:06,673 --> 00:54:12,023
There's that constraining there's that
kind of sense of unease about something.

1086
00:54:12,023 --> 00:54:13,013
Will Sopwith: Yeah, absolutely.

1087
00:54:13,013 --> 00:54:16,873
And that yeah, and I've felt that
without even being able to really

1088
00:54:16,873 --> 00:54:20,593
understand what it is or rationalise
it or explain it to someone.

1089
00:54:20,593 --> 00:54:22,563
It's just I just don't feel
that's the right thing to do.

1090
00:54:22,893 --> 00:54:23,153
Matt Edmundson: Yeah.

1091
00:54:23,343 --> 00:54:24,153
Super powerful.

1092
00:54:24,443 --> 00:54:25,143
Super powerful.

1093
00:54:25,633 --> 00:54:29,783
So hope you enjoyed this
conversation about being led by

1094
00:54:29,783 --> 00:54:30,853
God and how it leads to wholeness.

1095
00:54:30,853 --> 00:54:34,133
I feel like we've just clipped
to the top of the tip of the

1096
00:54:34,143 --> 00:54:35,813
iceberg here, so much more to say.

1097
00:54:36,533 --> 00:54:38,233
So many stories we
could tell, isn't there?

1098
00:54:38,783 --> 00:54:40,303
But you know what, it's
all part of the joy.

1099
00:54:40,313 --> 00:54:41,343
It's all part of the journey.

1100
00:54:41,343 --> 00:54:46,883
It's all part of the fun of being a
Christian that actually, God will guide

1101
00:54:47,013 --> 00:54:50,478
you and you can trust him with your
life and you can, whether you're living

1102
00:54:50,478 --> 00:54:54,018
in comfort, whether you're not you can
trust him with everything that he's got

1103
00:54:54,018 --> 00:54:56,718
for you, because it's gonna be epic.

1104
00:54:56,748 --> 00:54:57,998
It's gonna be an adventure.

1105
00:54:57,998 --> 00:54:59,898
So hope you've enjoyed that.

1106
00:54:59,908 --> 00:55:01,068
What's happening next week?

1107
00:55:01,108 --> 00:55:02,008
Midweek stuff.

1108
00:55:02,038 --> 00:55:03,758
Yes, I've mentioned to you Alpha.

1109
00:55:03,758 --> 00:55:05,458
We do Alpha on Wednesdays at 8.

1110
00:55:05,458 --> 00:55:05,458
30.

1111
00:55:05,458 --> 00:55:08,878
If you'd like to join us on the
Alpha group, where we explore

1112
00:55:08,878 --> 00:55:10,588
Christianity, come ask your questions.

1113
00:55:10,588 --> 00:55:11,378
We do it on Zoom.

1114
00:55:11,648 --> 00:55:12,458
Just head to crowd.

1115
00:55:12,628 --> 00:55:14,388
church forward slash alpha.

1116
00:55:14,408 --> 00:55:15,128
I'm looking for the button.

1117
00:55:15,128 --> 00:55:15,518
There it is.

1118
00:55:16,258 --> 00:55:17,068
You can go to crowd.

1119
00:55:17,068 --> 00:55:19,268
church forward slash alpha or
reach out to us on social media.

1120
00:55:19,288 --> 00:55:20,518
Media will send that link to us.

1121
00:55:20,518 --> 00:55:22,078
Just put your name and
email address in there.

1122
00:55:22,108 --> 00:55:24,418
We'll email you the link
and all that sort of stuff.

1123
00:55:24,418 --> 00:55:25,318
Do come and join us.

1124
00:55:25,678 --> 00:55:27,988
It is not too late.

1125
00:55:27,988 --> 00:55:33,448
We also have midweek community groups,
which you can of course come and join us.

1126
00:55:33,448 --> 00:55:35,908
So yeah, any of that kind of
stuff, we'd love to hear from you.

1127
00:55:35,968 --> 00:55:37,613
Next week we have.

1128
00:55:38,388 --> 00:55:39,268
Do you know who we have next week?

1129
00:55:39,388 --> 00:55:39,918
I've no idea.

1130
00:55:39,968 --> 00:55:40,728
That's because I've not told you.

1131
00:55:44,018 --> 00:55:44,868
It's Dave Connolly.

1132
00:55:46,218 --> 00:55:48,928
So Dave is actually carrying on this
conversation about the Holy Spirit,

1133
00:55:48,928 --> 00:55:50,338
talking about the gifts of the Spirit.

1134
00:55:50,898 --> 00:55:52,248
And there's a very definite order here.

1135
00:55:52,248 --> 00:55:54,258
So we've talked about how
the Spirit of God leads us.

1136
00:55:54,258 --> 00:55:56,828
We're going to talk about the gifts of
the Spirit, what they are next week.

1137
00:55:57,398 --> 00:56:01,028
Might get a bit Pentecostal, but it's
going to be okay, bit charismatic,

1138
00:56:01,038 --> 00:56:02,018
we're gonna have some fun.

1139
00:56:04,018 --> 00:56:08,838
And then after Easter, we are going
to spend nine weeks looking at the

1140
00:56:08,838 --> 00:56:12,758
fruit of the spirit, which Peter
introduced today, things like love,

1141
00:56:12,828 --> 00:56:14,678
peace, kindness, all that sort of stuff.

1142
00:56:15,418 --> 00:56:18,478
So we're going to spend a week on
each of the fruits of the spirit,

1143
00:56:18,838 --> 00:56:20,258
which I'm really looking forward to.

1144
00:56:20,308 --> 00:56:23,578
And then we're going to get
into this whole conversation of

1145
00:56:23,678 --> 00:56:25,248
the Holy Spirit living in us.

1146
00:56:25,268 --> 00:56:25,938
What does that mean?

1147
00:56:25,938 --> 00:56:27,288
God in me, my hope of glory.

1148
00:56:27,288 --> 00:56:29,398
So we are focusing quite a
bit over the next few weeks.

1149
00:56:29,943 --> 00:56:34,693
On the work of the Holy Spirit in
us and through us and leadership and

1150
00:56:34,703 --> 00:56:36,003
guidance is one of those cool things.

1151
00:56:37,368 --> 00:56:37,858
Awesome.

1152
00:56:38,558 --> 00:56:40,748
Did I mention I'm sorry,
Matt can't read that.

1153
00:56:41,168 --> 00:56:43,658
So I need to put my glasses on.

1154
00:56:43,658 --> 00:56:44,328
I just can't be bothered.

1155
00:56:46,648 --> 00:56:48,828
Will Sopwith: I've got my glasses
on and I couldn't read anything.

1156
00:56:48,828 --> 00:56:49,158
That's because

1157
00:56:49,158 --> 00:56:50,238
Matt Edmundson: I've
scrolled down too quick.

1158
00:56:50,878 --> 00:56:53,483
Thank you much for joining us tonight.

1159
00:56:53,963 --> 00:56:56,423
Really appreciate you being
here, being with us at Crowd.

1160
00:56:56,423 --> 00:56:58,313
If you haven't done so already,
wherever you're watching this

1161
00:56:58,313 --> 00:56:59,223
from, just and subscribe.

1162
00:56:59,223 --> 00:57:00,403
It would be great to connect with you.

1163
00:57:00,403 --> 00:57:01,683
You can head over to the website.

1164
00:57:01,693 --> 00:57:04,483
If you're putting your email, we'll
email you out all the stuff once a week.

1165
00:57:04,943 --> 00:57:09,093
One thing that I would say is if you
sign up to the email list on the website,

1166
00:57:09,533 --> 00:57:11,563
do watch out for an email coming back.

1167
00:57:11,583 --> 00:57:13,153
So I was looking through it earlier on.

1168
00:57:13,153 --> 00:57:15,303
We've got a lot of people who
sign up to the email list.

1169
00:57:15,633 --> 00:57:17,573
But then it's just marked as pending.

1170
00:57:17,803 --> 00:57:21,263
In other words, you've got an
email from us asking you to

1171
00:57:21,263 --> 00:57:22,433
confirm that you're subscribing.

1172
00:57:22,543 --> 00:57:24,303
I know it's a bit odd, but it's GDPR.

1173
00:57:24,323 --> 00:57:25,763
We want to get it all right.

1174
00:57:26,093 --> 00:57:29,033
So you'll sign up, we'll send you
an email asking you to confirm that.

1175
00:57:29,033 --> 00:57:31,303
Once you've confirmed that we
know everything is good to go.

1176
00:57:32,088 --> 00:57:33,808
But quite a few aren't confirming it.

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00:57:33,818 --> 00:57:36,148
So just make sure if you've signed
up and you're not getting emails

1178
00:57:36,148 --> 00:57:37,448
from us, it's because of that.

1179
00:57:37,888 --> 00:57:39,298
Okay, so top tip.

1180
00:57:39,808 --> 00:57:42,158
But yeah, wherever you get this from,
make sure you like and subscribe,

1181
00:57:42,158 --> 00:57:44,408
whether it's a podcast, whether
it's on catch up, whether it's on

1182
00:57:44,408 --> 00:57:47,398
YouTube, I don't know, we're going
to start a little known secret.

1183
00:57:47,398 --> 00:57:50,308
We're going to start live
streaming on Instagram soon.

1184
00:57:50,308 --> 00:57:52,688
We're going to try and figure out how we
can do that because it all goes vertical.

1185
00:57:54,048 --> 00:57:55,033
Just s squashed in together.

1186
00:57:55,553 --> 00:57:56,783
So we're gonna be starting Yeah.

1187
00:57:57,413 --> 00:57:58,433
, start doing that soon.

1188
00:57:58,433 --> 00:57:59,453
Thank you for joining us.

1189
00:57:59,483 --> 00:58:00,473
Anything else from you, bro?

1190
00:58:00,633 --> 00:58:00,873
No.

1191
00:58:00,873 --> 00:58:02,103
Will Sopwith: Fantastic to have you.

1192
00:58:02,103 --> 00:58:03,938
And just, keep adventuring.

1193
00:58:03,998 --> 00:58:04,833
It is an adventure.

1194
00:58:04,838 --> 00:58:05,768
It absolutely is.

1195
00:58:05,888 --> 00:58:05,978
Yeah.

1196
00:58:05,978 --> 00:58:07,283
And don't worry about messing it up.

1197
00:58:07,313 --> 00:58:08,558
Just keep going with whatever.

1198
00:58:08,558 --> 00:58:09,813
You are gonna miss it a point you have.

1199
00:58:10,678 --> 00:58:11,678
Keep walking with God.

1200
00:58:11,718 --> 00:58:12,368
Absolutely.

1201
00:58:12,398 --> 00:58:15,568
And he will show himself good
and you will know that trust.

1202
00:58:15,568 --> 00:58:17,748
I absolutely have complete faith for that.

1203
00:58:17,768 --> 00:58:18,358
Absolutely.

1204
00:58:18,688 --> 00:58:19,458
Have a great week.

1205
00:58:19,728 --> 00:58:20,108
Matt Edmundson: Brilliant.

1206
00:58:20,478 --> 00:58:21,198
Alright, guys.

1207
00:58:21,458 --> 00:58:22,228
Love you loads.

1208
00:58:22,388 --> 00:58:23,148
Peace be the journey.

1209
00:58:23,438 --> 00:58:24,018
See you next week.

1210
00:58:24,278 --> 00:58:24,558
Bye for now.

1211
00:58:27,053 --> 00:58:30,823
Thank you so much for joining
us here on Crowd Church.

1212
00:58:31,173 --> 00:58:36,083
Now, if you are watching on YouTube, make
sure you hit the subscribe button, as well

1213
00:58:36,083 --> 00:58:42,093
as that little tiny bell notification to
get notified the next time we are live.

1214
00:58:42,173 --> 00:58:45,943
And of course, if you are listening
to the podcast, the live stream

1215
00:58:45,953 --> 00:58:49,738
podcast, make sure you also hit the
subscribe button, the follow button.

1216
00:58:50,058 --> 00:58:55,128
Now, by smashing the like button on
YouTube or writing a review on your

1217
00:58:55,468 --> 00:58:59,788
podcast platform, it helps us reach
more people with the message that

1218
00:58:59,788 --> 00:59:04,808
Jesus really does help us live a
more meaningful and purposeful life.

1219
00:59:05,268 --> 00:59:11,348
So if you haven't done so already, be
sure to check out our website, www.

1220
00:59:11,428 --> 00:59:11,768
crowd.

1221
00:59:12,088 --> 00:59:16,688
church, where you can learn more
about us as a church, more about

1222
00:59:16,698 --> 00:59:21,678
the Christian faith, and also how to
connect into our church community.

1223
00:59:22,408 --> 00:59:27,738
It has been awesome to connect
with you, and you are awesome.

1224
00:59:27,878 --> 00:59:32,928
It's just a burden you have to bear,
and hopefully we'll see you next time.

1225
00:59:33,108 --> 00:59:33,768
That's it from us.

1226
00:59:34,013 --> 00:59:35,873
God bless you, bye for now.