Probably the most important hormone in the body is thyroid,

because thyroid regulates everything in the entire system.

And that one, you have to get perfect, optimal,

and not just normal.

Oh, I will be 71 in July.

I do not plan on retiring.

This is my natural color of hair, so I, I'm gonna go for it.

I plan on being not just 100, but a healthy 100 years of age.

70 honestly is young, but it's only young if you

are hormonally balanced.

We never saw a male under 42 with low testosterone,

and now we're seeing men that are 30 with low testosterone.

and Without testosterone, it is really hard to compete in a very

intense corporate environment.

Thank you so much for, we're doing this episode here, Dr. Pamela Smith.

It's an honor to have you here.

I know you're busy.

I. You're, you're always writing books and, but today we're

gonna focus in on a, on a very important topic on male hormones.

But also this will, um, the women that are listening, you know, if

there're men in your life, uh, I mean, it's very important, but also

I'm sure you know Dr. Pam, that, uh, women will also get something

from this, this chat as well.

So thank you.

absolutely.

Hormones are important to both men and women.

Besides, if you fix him, you've gotta fix her.

If you fix her, you have to fix him, so it goes hand in hand.

That's right.

That's why, that's why I figured, and you know, like we were talking

right before we recorded, there's a, well, there's a lot of things that

affect us as humans, but you know, as a lot of us are entrepreneurs,

most of us, unless you're kind of thinking about jumping into

business for yourself, then you're.

Uh, I hate to say the entrepreneur 'cause I, I don't know, like that

term, but, you know, whatever it is.

But, uh, there's other factors at play that make us us, that

help us think straight, uh, feel good and stay in the game

because that's the whole point.

It's like, how do we do this for us and feel great,

have a good time doing it?

Oh, I will be 71 in July.

I do not plan on retiring.

This is my natural color of hair, so I, I'm gonna go for it.

I plan on being not just 100, but a healthy 100 years of age.

Right on you and Dr. Savage too.

I mean, like he's, he, well, he's come outta retirement,

I think a couple times.

You guys are, just to call it to him.

Um, he's a colleague of yours, good friend Dr. Paul Savage,

who's been on this podcast too,

Yeah, Savage and I have known each other for our ER days

back at Detroit receiving, and then as we moved into more of a

personalized medicine approach.

both of you individually and collectively are

doing some amazing things.

I'm honored that I'm get to, like, I, I get to see the first, you know,

hand look at some of, you know, just the, the knowledge that you're

sharing out there and publishing.

And, uh, I will actually be getting some of the, the treatments that Dr.

Savage is doing very soon.

Soon to be i'll.

I'll report that on the podcast later.

I think this is the first time I've even said that, so, yeah.

Yeah, I will.

But so how, let's just cut right to the topic and then I think

then we'll kind of sneak back a little bit on your background

and, and, you know, and some of the other nuances there.

But, but hormones, why, why are they so important and what

are they, let's start there.

That's a great question.

So first of all, why are hormones important and

hormone replacement for males?

Uh, we commonly think about it for women, but for men

it's equally as important.

When it comes to memory, you need hormones, so we're gonna go through

each hormone and discuss it.

When we look at prevention of heart disease, uh, that is very

important when it comes to hormones.

When we look at the immune system, when we look at bone

structure, uh, believe it or not, men can actually get bone loss.

So it's really important to look at it from that viewpoint.

Uh, when we look at it from the viewpoint of depression and anxiety,

I mean, there's many reasons.

Um, muscle mass, energy levels.

There's so many reasons to look at male hormones.

So it's important.

So let's start looking at 'em.

We'll start with, believe it or not, estrogen, because that's

the one we never talk about.

Um.

predominantly at least seen as the the female hormone, right?

It is, but men do make all three estrogens that women make

E one, E two and E three and men need estrogen to maintain

bone structure and for their memory, uh, they also need it to

prevent erectile dysfunction, ed.

Uh, so it's a really important hormone.

But if estrogen is too high, it increases a male's risk of

heart disease and increases his risk of prostate cancer.

And so we want to measure that hormone because we want

a dead center of normal, not too high, not too low.

Perfect.

And the science is actually here so that it can be

perfect for every man.

Uh, men also make progesterone, again, a hormone more commonly

discussed with women because of anxiety, et cetera.

But progesterone is important for men for myelination,

Hmm.

so their nerve endings stay.

It also is a great five alpha reductase inhibitor, which means

that it really helps balance some of the other hormones in the

body, like dihydrotestosterone, the other testosterone.

I've heard of that.

Yeah.

and we don't want DHT to be high because then the prostate gets big.

You have an increased risk in heart disease, an increase in prostate

cancer as well, and so progesterone is just a great balance for that.

Plus, the newest studies are showing that it helps the brain.

In fact, we are using IV progesterone in both men

and women for a traumatic brain injury IV in the er.

Oh, wow.

And that's a, I know that's a bigger topic lately at TPE,

or not TPEs, but traumatic brain injuries, TB eyes,

is a huge issue.

And so we're now using it for that as well.

Uh, and then of course the male hormone testosterone.

Yes, it is sexual interest.

But it also lowers cholesterol, blood sugar,

blood pressure is memory, is the immune system is energy.

I mean, fights, depression, anxiety, muscle mass.

It has so many fabulous functions in the body that without it,

that's part of how people age is that they really don't have it.

So is it the hormones?

And, and maybe this is, how does, how does it all work?

Because we, what, we start off with our own metric or levels

of hormones, but then things happen throughout life, right?

Out of the aging process, there's some hormonal dysfunction, but

that's for a number of reasons.

People tend to have lower hormones.

With age, but now newly, since about 2017, we are now seeing very

young men with low testosterone.

It was, it did not really happen before then.

We never saw a male under 42 with low testosterone, and

now we're seeing men that are 30 with low testosterone.

Some of it is related to COVID-19.

Uh, some of it is related to toxins in the environment.

And so there's just a buildup of so many toxins now including, uh,

hormone disrupting things like BPAs, uh, that are part of plastics,

et cetera, um, that they cause testosterone to be low, uh, a lot.

Uh, and so you need that hormone for bone structure as well.

Uh, so men want to not fall.

In fact, the stats for men are worse when they break a hip than women.

When a woman falls and breaks a hip, one half, do not walk for a

year when a man falls and breaks a hip, one half die within a year.

Wow.

Just from what?

Being not able to move around and do.

Wow.

It's really much more serious and we don't spend enough time talking

about bone structure in men.

It because it is something that is a preventable disease process

in almost every single male.

But men do need bone density tests starting at 60 or 65 years of age.

because I'm thinking of my audience right here and myself.

I just turned 40 and I. The stats that I have, and this is

why we're talking about people are like, why men and not women?

Well, it's like about 75% of folks or so are men who listen and watch,

uh, this podcast, this show, but also I know it, it's 40 and up.

It's more like 45, maybe 50 is kinda like the sweet spot and

you know, the most people are, are listening and watching.

Well, and without testosterone, it is really hard to compete in a

very intense corporate environment.

I mean, I still work 18 hours a day.

I can only do that because I have hormones.

I still speak on four different continents.

As you've seen, I, I've written numerous books.

Just have a brand new book on how to prevent breast cancer

and how to prevent a recurrence.

Uh, that just came out.

I'm still going really strong doing the research with Dr. Savage

when it comes to therapeutic plasma exchange and getting

rid of toxins in the body.

So, 70 honestly is young, but it's only young if you

are hormonally balanced, and it is all about balance.

So you have these two other hormones that we don't talk about a lot,

either called DHEA and cortisol.

Those are made in the adrenal glands, the glands that sit

above the kidneys, but DHEA interfaces because it makes

estrogen and testosterone and a balances cortisol.

The stress hormone,

Mm-hmm.

lovingly call the anti-aging hormone.

It is the longevity hormone because it gives you energy and

your immune system and lowers cholesterol, and you feel so

invigorated when you take it.

It is absolutely fabulous, but we only give it to

people that it is low in

Uh.

and it does balance cortisol, the stress hormone, which is

a very interesting hormone.

You have to have cortisol to live.

If you do not have it, you die within a week.

So it's the most important hormone in the entire body, and they

all come from another hormone called Pregnanolone, and I'm

gonna spell that because it's hard to say and hard to spell.

It's P-R-E-G-N-E-N-O-L-O-N-E, so P-R-E-G-N-E-N-O-L-O-N-E.

Which makes all the hormones that I discussed.

Plus it is your hormone of memory.

And even if you're 45, if you're really, really

stressed, the body has to make cortisol so the body will take

pregnenolone and make cortisol.

So you can have low prednisolone even if you're 45 years old, and

you'll have brain fog and not rapid fire memory, which is not

great at a corporate environment.

You really want to be able to compete at your best

level, and so pregnenolone is equally as important.

All the hormones I talked about are best measured by saliva,

except for pregnenolone is by blood, and the golden number

for pregnenolone is 50 or above.

And again, we only replace it in people who need it, even

though I'll be 71 in July.

My pregnenolone level's 55, so I don't take pregnenolone.

I still have that hormone and, and everybody's

really, really different.

And that's the reason why personalized medicine is the

best medicine there is because it is a personalized approach.

We look at the cause of the problem and not just treat symptoms.

Oops.

Well, let's, and let's pause there for a moment.

'cause that is a key thing that I know you and Dr. Savage really

stress is personalized medicine.

And I've.

I, I've been fortunate enough this podcast is honestly a

shortcut or a hack to, to meet a lot of people in, in all spaces.

But ironically, I've come across a lot of, um, you know, personalized

medicine type folks like yourselves and, uh, but lately even more

so because of me getting older and just understanding, wow,

all these things that, you know, very toxic environment right now

that a lot of us are living in.

But I feel like my age group.

Maybe even more so because from the very beginning, and

maybe that's something we talk about, but uh, just like you

were saying to continue into the later years at 40 and later,

I'm just talking about myself.

I. It's like, what can we do?

What, how can I personally, you know, measure what's

going on inside of me and then actually have action steps now.

Because if you don't measure, it's, Dr. Savage talked about this, like

get the data and then it's like, whatcha gonna do with that now?

And that's what I really love.

It's not a general blanket statement.

Like, yeah, okay, take these vitamins or do

these things, you know?

But no, actually understand your data.

And.

maybe can you talk on that a little bit?

Your

Absolutely.

It's really different for every person.

And AI is here to stay.

I ra people that it's not going to take over, uh, from a

personalized medicine viewpoint because it really is personalized

and customized to every patient.

Uh, but when it comes to that hormone pregna, when I, I talk to

Siri instead of typing it in, I usually will talk to her and say.

And be saying pregnenolone, she types pregnant alone.

So I don't think AI is gonna take over the world quite yet.

Well, Siri's not, not she.

She's not the smartest, or it is not.

Yeah.

no, she can't learn yet.

Even though I've probably said it 300 times into my new cell

phone, she still can't learn.

But it really is a customized approach to every person.

That's where the science.

Is here.

In my own personal practice, there are no two patients that get the

same hormones, male or female.

And so all these patients, they're all different.

The hormones are compounded, they're made individual for each

person, and men are a little easier to give hormones to than women.

They tend to have less side effects.

There's a, a wider, what we call therapeutic range.

So they're a little bit easier to give hormones to than women.

Women.

You have to get perfect.

It has to be exactly perfectly balanced in order for them to

be healthy and stay healthy.

Got it.

Okay.

So Preg, Danone, and, and I, I, as I'm, and just so you know

what I'm doing on the side, I use a tool called perplexity.ai

and it's a great search tool.

It's, you know, and, and there's a whole medical aspect to

it too, but I'm just reading it here as you're saying.

So thank you for spelling it out for me earlier.

'cause I found it like that.

But yeah, it, it basically says the precursor to all the

other steroid hormones in the body, including cortisol, DHEA,

progesterone, testosterone.

So it's like, yeah, if you don't have that right,

then you're in trouble.

Right?

Or like, things are outta balance, at least.

They are out of balance and it is all about balance.

pregnenolone comes from cholesterol, and I have a hard time with

cardiologists understanding this.

Even functional medicine cardiologists.

Because you have to have a total cholesterol of

one 40 to make pregna.

Honestly, high cholesterol does not cause heart disease.

Inflammation of cholesterol causes heart disease, and

that's how a statin drug works.

A statin drug is an anti-inflammatory agent, but if

you get the total cholesterol too low, then you'll get brain

fog because then you won't make pregnenolone to make all those

other hormones in the body.

So that golden number is total cholesterol one 40 in order

to make the other hormones.

Well, and you mentioned 50, right?

As being kind of the, the mark for, for pregnenolone.

Uh.

Let's see, what would you, yeah, I don't wanna say recommend, but

like, it's personalized medicine, so I kinda wanna get to like

really knowing your numbers, right?

Like what are the things you suggest to us watching, listening

should be doing at this phase?

Just to understand, okay, here's where we're at, you know, in

terms of hormones and then, and then, you know, we can talk

about maybe potential next steps.

Absolutely.

I wanna refer people to, if you wanna read about male hormones to my

book, maximize Your Male Hormones.

Uh, which obviously you can get on Amazon, probably

the easiest location.

But in that book it discusses the other hormones that interface.

Because it really, they do kind of weave together.

Probably the most important hormone in the body is thyroid,

because thyroid regulates everything in the entire system.

And that one, you have to get perfect, optimal,

and not just normal.

And conventionally, a medicine normal is okay, but in a

personalized medicine approach, you want it to be perfect.

So let's talk about some numbers since you asked.

Okay.

So people grab your tablet out there.

Okay.

Or, or a piece of paper if you're like me.

And write it down.

So your body makes t, SH thyroid stimulating hormone.

The hormone that stimulates thyroid perfect is the lower limit of

normal, which is about 0.35 to two.

Uh

The higher you go, then the worse the function is.

And then you can be hypothyroid or have low thyroid function.

The body makes T three and T four, which are two thyroid hormones.

You want those to be dead, center of normal, and these are blood studies.

You measure the free form.

The trouble is conventionally a medicine.

We never measure the T three.

The T three is the one that helps prevent heart disease.

It's part of the mitochondria, the engines in the body.

So really important measure.

As is reverse T three, which looks at store thyroid and

thyroid antibodies to see if your body's producing antibodies

against its own thyroid gland.

So you have thyroid.

It is the conductor, literally of the hormonal symphony.

Hmm.

Equally as important is insulin.

Insulin is the hormone that regulates your blood sugar.

80% of people that are adults in the United States.

Have insulin.

That is not perfect.

So let's look at those numbers.

Okay, so perfect fasting blood sugar for everybody out there.

If you're under the age of 60 is 70 to 85,

Okay.

if you're from up to age 60, 70 to 85, 60 and above, it's 70 to 90.

So as you age, it creeps up a little bit.

70 to 90.

Anything above 90, you are going down the wrong road.

Why wait until you're diabetic?

Why don't we do something to regulate your insulin

before that time?

The trouble is unless you see a personalized medicine practitioner,

you probably have never had your insulin level measured.

So perfect.

Fasting insulin is six too high or too low is not good.

And then you probably all, everybody out there has measured hemoglobin

A1C, and the perfect there is 5.4.

And so you want that one perfect because insulin

regulates blood sugar.

If your blood sugar's not perfect, not only do you have

an increase in getting diabetes, but heart disease, stroke, every

cancer there is and memory loss.

So hugely important, you have to have your blood sugar and

that hormone, insulin normal.

The American Endocrinology Society said the following, and it's now

published, that one of the best ways for men to normalize their insulin

is to make sure their testosterone is normal at their testosterone,

is not to look at hormone replacement therapy as a mode of

regulating insulin in the body.

Wow.

That just got published.

Uh, it, it, it is very interesting to look at.

They really do all weave together.

Yeah.

Well, wow.

Thank you for laying out all the numbers.

Are, are there some more, or are those the, the main ones there

That's the main ones to look at.

But there is also melatonin, and it's not just your sleeping hormone.

Melatonin is part of your immune system.

In fact, we even use melatonin now to treat different kinds of

cancers like breast and prostate.

Uh, so that one's measured by saliva at eight in the morning, 5:00 PM

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00 AM with the lights off.

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So too much melatonin's back.

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That's why we measure, uh, melatonin and serotonin

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are in the same pathway.

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Uh, probably everybody's heard about serotonin.

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The happy neurotransmitter.

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Uh, so if you have too much melatonin, then serotonin goes too

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low, so we want melatonin to be that perfect golden number as well.

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It really is a balance.

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I mean, it's like, yeah, and that's why without measuring

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any of this, how would you know what you're doing?

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I mean, you

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and

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You wouldn't, and that's the trouble.

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And, and I thank you for inviting me to be on your podcast,

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because there are so many people that go to a practitioner and

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they don't measure hormones, or they measure them by blood,

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or they measure them by urine.

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And as you saw, some of these are measured by blood.

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But the big ones, estrogen, progesterone, testosterone,

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DHEA, cortisol melatonin are all measured by saliva.

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And, and you're very welcome.

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And I'm happy and honored you're here and taking the time.

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'cause I know, like you're, you're, you're very busy.

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You're speaking all over the place.

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And I really have made a push for this podcast for at least a

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decent number of episodes here and there to focus on health and,

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and like, just looking at myself, looking at friends around me.

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I'm sure those of you listening and watching have been affected

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by people, uh, maybe yourself, but you have friends and family who.

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Maybe got sick too early or cancers or, you know, all these, that's why

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I'm talking with Dr. Savage a lot.

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And, and I'll just say it right here, you know, him and I, and

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you're also involved in there is the TPE Blueprint podcast that is either

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released or will be very soon.

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Uh, but when this goes out, 'cause I'm, I'm becoming more obsessed with

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this concept of like, okay, really understanding what's in me, but also

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what do you do with all of this?

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And

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Well, that's so, so important because it really

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is all about inflammation.

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A little bit of inflammation heals.

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Too much causes every disease you can think of, from heart

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disease to colitis to cognitive decline to cancers, et cetera.

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So all the hormones I mentioned are anti-inflammatory.

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They get rid of inflammation when we do TPE and we get rid of the

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toxins out of your body, that is also getting rid of inflammation,

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which is the key component here.

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Let's hammer down on that because on inflammation as a topic, because

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that is something when I understood this and I'm understanding even more

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so talking with Dr. Savage a lot.

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And just for anybody who has not listened to Dr. Savage,

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he's been on the podcast twice now, so he's pretty easy

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to find, just look him up.

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And one was pretty recent and um, but also just a personal story.

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Like something that caught me the other day as a friend of mine, he is

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like, yeah, he is 40, 41, I think.

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He's like, I just can't really pay attention at work more than like

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four hours at a time, you know?

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And.

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And I'm sure it's some breaks, but it's just like, it's almost

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like days done after four hours.

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I'm like four hours.

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I'm like, that doesn't seem right.

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So, but I doubt he's the only one.

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And I know I could go longer than that, but definitely.

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I don't know.

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You probably have more stamina than I even do, so I'm sure

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it's some inflammation.

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Some, yeah.

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In and hormones are wrapped up, but I guess let's just

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talk about that whole topic.

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Um,

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Well, it does.

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It starts with how you eat, okay?

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People always say, well, how should I eat?

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No matter who you are, the best diet is Mediterranean.

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Because it's anti-inflammatory.

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So that is a great place to start eating a Mediterranean diet,

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uh, from the viewpoint of lamb.

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Lamb is like the perfect red meat 'cause almost Oh it is because

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it's the easiest on your stomach, the easiest on your colon.

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Almost all of the fat in it is omega threes the good fat.

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And so it truly, it's full of carnitine, which gives you energy.

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So it's huge.

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Uh, it's like the perfect thing.

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Exercise is key, but people need to understand exercise.

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You should exercise three to four days a week.

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If you are an aggressive exerciser, and a lot of my patients are

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because I see professional athletes in my practice,

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then your body gets depleted.

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Nutrients.

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So even if you're 25, 35, 55 or 85, if you're playing hockey seven

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days a week or you're, you're lifting weights seven days a week

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or marathoning, et cetera, then your body gets deplete of really

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important nutrients at any age.

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And so we wanna replenish those nutrients, and that is also a very

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personalized approach to medicine.

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You know what I need nutritionally is different than

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what other people would need.

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And starting at the age of 50, people do get

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deplete in three nutrients.

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They get deplete in L-carnitine, which is an amino acid, a part of

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the fueling source in the body.

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They get depleting coenzyme Q 10, which most people have heard of

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nowadays, and they get deplete in something called alpha lipoic,

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L-I-P-O-I-C acid alpha lipoic acid.

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The last two you cannot eat your way into, but you, those

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are all three fueling sources.

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So at 50 most people go, well, you know, I, I, I really feel 50 now.

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Because their energy's not the same.

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They, their stamina's not the same, their cognition's not the same, but

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a lot of that is due to hormones and lack of fueling source in the body.

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And so we wanna go back and measure all of those very important

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nutrients and what people need and make sure those reactions work.

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Again, the science is here to do all this.

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This is not, quote unquote, rocket science.

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The science is here so that every single patient can

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have this kind of care.

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yeah, it's absolutely necessary.

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I feel like, like right now, we're, I mean, not only the food,

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and I'm just thinking of when I'm talking with Dr. Savage, you know,

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the, just the amount of toxins now in everywhere we live and

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what we eat, breathe, drink our homes being the most toxic place.

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I think it's 500 times more toxic, I believe, than anywhere else like.

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It's outrageous.

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So we're going against a lot, I mean, stuff that we

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just honestly can't control.

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We can control a good amount, but, um, what you said is

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like, you gotta, you gotta measure the stuff and actually

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know what to do about it now.

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And, and my brain's going to inflammation still, but like back

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to that because like, that is like the root of everything, it

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seems, all the diseases and how

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Well it is, and there's really three nutrients that everybody

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needs to take at any age.

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The first is fish oil, which is anti-inflammatory.

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Okay, so a thousand milligrams for most people, make sure

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it's pharmaceutical grade.

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Pharmaceutical grade means that it is free of toxins and

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it's bioavailable, meaning it gets into your body and does

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what it is supposed to do.

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So that's fish oil.

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Now I personally take 3000 ' cause I inherited high triglycerides.

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That's the fat content.

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On your cholesterol test, you see triglycerides.

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I inherited a high level, which increases my risk of

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heart disease and stroke.

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So I take 3000 milligrams a day of fish oil and that keeps

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my triglycerides very normal.

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So fish oil, probiotics, a multivitamin.

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Everybody should start with.

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Got it.

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Those are the three things, and then we add from there

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so that's like the foundation of everything,

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no matter, I mean, honestly.

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Just start.

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Just start that.

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Plus that multivitamin is, for many reasons, the prostate

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needs zinc, but in order to make testosterone, you have to have zinc.

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So sometimes it's just really simple things.

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I've had some patients, both male and female, that they honestly

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didn't need testosterone.

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They just needed a multivitamin and to eat better.

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Okay, so I mean, it doesn't hurt to start there at least.

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exactly, and exercise increases testosterone.

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I have a patient in my practice that plays aggressive hockey, and

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he didn't need testosterone until he was 65 because he actually

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exercised his way into it.

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Are there different types of exercises for, you know, different

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levels of testosterone benefit?

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We'll say,

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There is it Ha You really want a mixture of exercise.

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So first of all, exercise has to be on the ground to

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maintain bone structure.

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So is bicycling great?

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Is swimming great?

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Yes, it burns calories, but it doesn't maintain bone.

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So at least, you know, one day of the week you can swim,

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but the rest of the time it needs to be on the ground.

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So you're actually maintaining bone structure when you're doing it.

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Uh, so obviously there's other types where you're lifting weights,

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there's many varieties, but you do want to have an aggressive

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program of all kinds of exercise in your exercise portfolio.

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That makes me feel kind of good because I've been doing a lot of

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juujitsu lately, so like wrestling and stuff on the ground, and

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it's probably the most ground type of stuff you could do.

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Um, I'll keep it up, but I mean like, but you said swimming and

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biking those, or cycling that's.

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So actually really happy you said that because a lot of

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folks will just default to that.

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But you're right, there's not any pressure on your body.

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That's why a lot of people take it up, you know, is maybe

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for joint issues or some kind of rehab, which is great.

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It's better than, you know, it's better to burn the

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calories that way, but that makes sense to have something

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on the ground for, for bones,

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Absolutely.

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what would you recommend for measuring?

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Like do you have, go-to obviously someone who is doing, you know,

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practitioner for, um, personalized medicine I'm sure would be able

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to be a good support, but like if someone wants to test themselves

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and understand where they're at and get baselines for all this stuff,

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where do you normally have people?

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we do and, and everybody's different.

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So what we measure is personalized, but eventually we really want to

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look at hormones in everybody.

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We really want to look at the nutritional status, amino

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acids, fatty acids, organic acids, all those things in the

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body, what your vitamins are.

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We do wanna look at toxic metals and other toxins

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like BPAs and phthalates and microplastics, et cetera.

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We wanna look at your gut health.

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It's really important.

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That's a stool test.

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70% of your immune systems in your gut.

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So if your gut's not healthy, you're not healthy.

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Uh, biotin for hair and nails, 90% is made in the gut.

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Your B12 is all made in the gut.

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Your vitamin K is made in the gut.

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Uh, vitamin K, by the way, is not stored in the body.

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Uh, so you have to have a healthy gut to, to make all of those things

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So, wow.

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Actually, I didn't know about that.

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Yeah, vitamin K. It's not stored in the body, it's just.

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In and out,

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that it stays seven days and then it's gone.

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okay, got it.

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Well, okay, so where, like, do you have a, a, a, a way someone would

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go about and say like, Hey, I, I just want to know this information.

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Like what would you recommend someone go and do?

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I.

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Uh, the people can go to personalized medicine

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certification.com if.

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Someone's listening and they're a practitioner and they want

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training, uh, which would be from a medical school, uh, that

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they, so that's one personalized medicine certification.com.

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I'm happy to share my email.

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You're welcome to email me at faafm63@yahoo.com,

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so FAAFM63@yahoo.com.

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If you wanna know a practitioner in your area.

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You know, happy to share that with you, and then obviously you

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can go to my website via my name.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that's, and we'll link everything below, um, you know,

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or wherever the show notes or description is for you.

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And I'm, I'm thinking I'll probably put together some kind of notes

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too, just because I know it's a lot of information and very

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specific, uh, but obviously your book as well, um, to go snag

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that over, you know, Maximize Your Male Hormones on Amazon.

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Um, so because I'm just thinking, you know, a, after I learned

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information like this, like I gotta know my own now, I

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can't just like hear all these numbers and under, you know,

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all these names of hormones and.

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It's cool to, it's great to understand all this stuff.

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It's like, now what?

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How do we practically do something with it?

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So,

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and it's fixable when you know, people need to understand

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that this is good news.

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We can measure it all and we can fix it all.

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So for example, when we talked about estrogen in men.

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It breaks down into three estrogens.

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Make it nice and simple.

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Two, four and 16 hydroxy estro.

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Okay, so two, four, and 16.

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Two is the good one.

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16. You need a little bit of for bone structure.

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Four is bad.

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If you have four, it dramatically increases the risk of prostate

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cancer in a male and in women.

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Breast cancer, breast cancer, and prostate cancer are very,

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very, very closely tied together.

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And so the good news is we can fix it in every patient.

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There are no patients, none that have to have abnormal breakdown

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of estrogen, male or female.

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It's a hundred percent fixable.

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So a lot of the things we're talking about today on this podcast

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are the sciences here, and we can help people be really healthy.

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That's pretty incredible.

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'cause I feel like with knowing all this stuff, or it becomes

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almost like, oh my gosh, what do I do with all of this information?

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Or, yeah, it's almost outta my hands a little bit.

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But um, yeah, it's, the science is here, which I'm

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finding is super fascinating.

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I mean, you mentioned ai.

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I know there's.

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You know, once you know some of this information, there's,

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there's, um, ways to use AI to help guide you a little bit that

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way, obviously have a doctor.

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Yeah.

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Um, but it's, it's, I don't know, it's very interesting

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'cause I've been getting, you know, my own toxin test back.

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You know, I won't go into all that now, but.

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You know, through Dr. Savage and, and you know, MD Lifespan and

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it's, it's pretty incredible.

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You know, I've had blood tests done, so some of these levels, I'm gonna

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have another one soon, so I'm like, I'll be able to kind of compare,

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uh, a lot of what you just said.

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Yeah, and almost everybody's toxic.

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My grandparents had a farm, so honestly, I never ate

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anything that wasn't organic.

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Until I was 18 and went off to college, and so I only ate organic.

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We, we picked everything.

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We ended up, you know, freezing it, canning it.

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We, we made our own jam.

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We did the whole kit and caboodle, but I was really, really surprised

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when I did my toxin test to find out that I was high in fungus.

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But honestly, I shouldn't have been because I stay in a lot

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of hotels and places which can have had water damage.

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It's really important to get that fungus out of your body.

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Uh, so we're discovering that therapeutic plasma exchange

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can help with so many things.

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It can actually help people with autoimmune diseases because it

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decreases inflammation in the body.

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Uh, we're looking at it for women before planned pregnancy

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to get rid of the toxins.

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'cause these toxins do go through the breast milk and

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they go through the placenta.

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Um, there's been a dramatic rise in people who've had, you know,

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things like autism, et cetera.

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Uh, very rare when I was in medical school.

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Very common now.

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Uh, the same thing with breast cancer.

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Very rare prostate cancer now occurring in

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people that are younger.

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A lot of this is really just toxin induced, but now we have a new way

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of getting rid of some of this.

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We've been able to get rid of toxic metals, all of them, except

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for gadolinium and aluminum.

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We got, could get rid of since the mid eighties.

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Speculation.

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So that's been a great way.

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Never could get rid of gadolinium, kind of successful with aluminum.

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But the rest we were great.

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Now with TPE, we can get rid of gadolinium, almost a

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hundred percent in patients.

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So we're looking at it for, you know, prevention of heart disease.

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We're looking at it for so many different things, but

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it's not TPE by itself.

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TPE by itself does not give you these dramatic results.

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It's TPE plus nutrients.

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Uh, so at MD Lifespan, they really do a great job in the nutritional

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component to all of this.

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'cause TPE has been around for 50 years, so TPE plus

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nutrients plus hormones, perfect.

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But what people need to understand is you can't

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fix everything at one time.

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It's a process.

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As much as we'd like to make every patient and wave a magic

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wand that everything is perfect tomorrow, it is a process.

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Anything worth having in life is a work in progress.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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I mean, like for me, I think it's gonna be at least

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three to five different sessions, you know, and, and.

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In the way, you know, Dr. Savage explains therapeutic plasma exchange

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as an oil change for the body.

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You know, where essentially you're, yeah, you're cleaning out, you know,

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the plasma in this case where, where a lot of the toxins are hiding out.

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I. Not all of 'em.

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Yeah, I understand.

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But you know, you can basically grab those within, within that procedure

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and then you're kind of waiting, little waiting period as your body's

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doing its thing, and then you're doing it again and then again.

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And, um, but along with, like you said, all the, the vitamins and

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other nutrients that are introduced, you know that to a cleaner body.

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And this is just my layman's way to describe it,

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And it's funny you should say that because that's, that's an excellent

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question sort of response because there are some people that can't

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take hormones, male and female, and even things like progesterone,

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which is basically innocuous.

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But they can't take it because they're too toxic.

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When we do TPE and we get the toxins out, then they can go

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back and take those hormones.

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wow.

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So it is just your body, what just will not, does it reject it or?

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There's receptor sites for hormones, and so the receptor sites will not

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hold onto the hormone properly.

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I.

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Gotcha.

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Okay.

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So literally we'll just like, Nope, not for me.

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you know, before we wrap up, like what are some of the, now you said

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the science is here, but you've been doing this for a while and you've

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known Dr. Savage for a while as well, you said, what about 40 years?

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So you've seen a whole spectrum of science and how things are done.

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Like what's.

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What's on your mind now?

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Like where, what's just blowing you away that maybe we

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haven't talked about quite yet?

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And then like, where do you think things are going or any,

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this is kind of open-ended.

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Like any trends that you're just very, you're paying attention to

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that we should be also keeping

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biggest trend now for the next 10 to 20 years will be toxin removal.

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And hormone replacement that is done correctly.

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There's a lot of people out there that do hormones, but you

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can hurt people with hormones when they're not done correctly.

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So it is really, really important that you see someone that is,

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has done a, an either a master's degree and personalized medicine

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or a certification in personalized medicine, so you know that

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they were trained properly.

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And so my goal, honestly, uh, in the last part of my career here is to

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make sure that people are properly trained and to make sure that the

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public understands that this kind of medicine is not Star Trek.

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It's actually here and available for everybody, and everybody

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does have the right, and they deserve to have good healthcare.

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I, I, and I, and I hope it goes to, you know, and I think

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it's just gonna be spread.

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Awareness is like the first thing right is, and that's why we're doing

and 3 00:42:04

this right here, is we're talking about it, what's possible, what

and 3 00:42:07

you should know, and you know, some of these things I. There might be.

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Yeah, I, I had to see a, ideally the, the cost will get lower

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for other folks to all be able to essentially benefit from it.

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'cause I know some folks probably won't be able to, I'm just

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thinking in the future, next 20 years or so, like things

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are gonna change radically as they always have, you know, so.

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I, I think it's perfect timing with the toxin world that we're

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all in and like the more you start doing some research, 'cause

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we've talked about water, uh, on previous episodes here too.

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And just like when you start running the numbers and seeing

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what you're actually drinking, you're like, frightened.

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And I'm like, you know,

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number one, you do need water, and that's one thing that we

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probably don't talk enough about.

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People need one half their body weight and ounces every day.

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On the days they exercise, they need another 40 to 60 ounces.

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Is because water does detoxify.

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But you're right, it really does have to be a very,

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very good purified water and outta glass, not plastic.

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right.

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Always.

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Well, got one right here.

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So yeah, no, it's air is another thing and there's so many

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others, and this is where the Dr. Savage episode I did with

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him, he lined out a bunch of 'em.

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Uh, but now how it relates to hormones.

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This is all new to me, so Dr. Pamela Smith, I, it's, it's been an honor

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and I, I'm gonna deep dive into your book even more, so I definitely,

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you know, I'll link up the link to Amazon, but maximize your male

and 3 00:43:40

hormones is, is available and ready.

and 3 00:43:43

If you wanna deep dive, maybe mention a couple of the other

and 3 00:43:46

books that you think would be also good for folks to check out.

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For women, what you must know about women's hormones.

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That would be second edition.

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Uh, maximize your immune system if you wanna look at your

and 3 00:43:59

immune system, uh, what you must know about thyroid disease.

and 3 00:44:03

If you wanna know about thyroid, I. And then looking at breast

and 3 00:44:06

cancer, how to prevent breast cancer before and after.

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So it's for people who preventing breast cancer, but also people

and 3 00:44:14

who've had breast cancer.

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How to prevent a recurrence.

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And you said that's unfortunately a male, you're

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starting to see trends with

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are, it used to be that 1% of breast cancer was in men.

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It is now 3% is in males, so that number is rising as well.

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Hmm.

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Well, I wanna say, and on a good note, but at the same time, it is

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good to know that there's awareness.

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We we're seeing the stats and there's things that you can do

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about everything we talked about.

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And truly the science, honestly is here to measure

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every single thing and.

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A personalized medicine approach is the way to go, not just now,

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but 20 and 50 years from now.

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Uh, it'll be, we'll be with our little tric quarters from

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Star Trek, perhaps doing it that way, but it will still

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be a personalized medicine

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That's fine, as long as it works and it helps everyone else too, so.

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Okay.

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Well, it's been an honor chatting and.

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I mean, yeah, I felt like my brain was just wanting to go down

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all these little rabbit holes.

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So hopefully you're, you're, you, you're like an

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encyclopedia and AI yourself it seems like with 14 books.

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I mean, just go check it out, y'all.

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It's, uh, and you speak on a lot of different stages, podcasts and, and

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hopefully pretty soon, or you will pretty soon on the TPE Blueprint

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podcast that I'm heading up as well.

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'cause that's a total passion project for me.

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So looking

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That'll be perfect.

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Oh, thank you so much, Joe.

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Thank you.