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Speaker BIt's questionable safe word these days.
Speaker BI just want to be honest with you.
Speaker BYou know that, right?
Speaker BPineapples.
Speaker BNobody came to save you.
Speaker BNobody.
Speaker BAll right.
Speaker BI got a mouse in front of me.
Speaker BThis is weird.
Speaker BThis is.
Speaker AYeah, this is new.
Speaker BYeah, this is new.
Speaker AIs the microphone on?
Speaker BYeah, that happens all the time because we're recording.
Speaker AOh, okay.
Speaker BYeah, it's a normal.
Speaker BA normal thing.
Speaker BAll right.
Speaker BI know it's awkward for you, right?
Speaker AShall we?
Speaker BBeing recorded and all.
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Speaker AThank you, my man.
Speaker AAnd sitting behind the desk in the production suite, if you will.
Speaker AWe have nobody.
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Speaker AYeah, exactly.
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Speaker AToday, the Higher Standard team remains squarely focused on bringing you great quality content.
Speaker BI didn't know you go with a good afternoon there.
Speaker BI was like, wait, what?
Speaker AEvery time.
Speaker ASquarely focused.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BThe.
Speaker BThe script from the FOMC has not changed a whole lot.
Speaker BIf you're the script writer, like, do you go, hey, guys, can I throw in some extra words?
Speaker AYeah, just change.
Speaker AI want to change like a few things up.
Speaker AThe problem is you change one or two words up out the gate, post game, press conference, they're like, why'd you change this?
Speaker AOh, oh, oh, oh.
Speaker BYou said maybe.
Speaker BOh, yeah.
Speaker BI'm not gonna lie, you know, because I do those lives now and I spend a lot of time listening to them and reading them.
Speaker BI did the same thing, though.
Speaker BI hang on every word.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ACuz well, now he.
Speaker AThat's how they've positioned it that way.
Speaker BYeah, right.
Speaker BI mean, if.
Speaker BIf he would came, if Jerome Pow would have worn like a.
Speaker BA green tie.
Speaker BWhoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BWhat are you reading?
Speaker BThe money.
Speaker BYeah, right.
Speaker BWhat are you trying to say, bro?
Speaker AI know, I know, I know exactly.
Speaker BI see what you're putting out.
Speaker AImagine.
Speaker AImagine what he could single handedly do to the stock market, right?
Speaker AIf he just came out wearing like a green suit.
Speaker BI just wanted to come out one time wearing the exact same suit, but with like a velour jacket or like a fuzzy like.
Speaker AOr the Fresh Prince of Bel Air jacket.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BWith like a pipe.
Speaker BJust be like, since it's my last time here, bang the pipe down.
Speaker BYeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker BRight, right.
Speaker AAnd I love.
Speaker AI love how they asked them.
Speaker AThey're like, okay, so we know you're out.
Speaker AWe know you're out in May, but, like, have you even decided whether you're gonna stay like, guys, he's not touching on any of that.
Speaker BDude, I was so pissed during the live stream today.
Speaker BI was covering it.
Speaker BThe first three questions from notable journalists from notable, like, periodicals were coming out.
Speaker BLike, hey, man, you're not gonna get fired, right?
Speaker AI know.
Speaker BI was like, come on, dude.
Speaker BLike that.
Speaker BWhat are you doing?
Speaker AI know.
Speaker ALike, that's a stupid ass question.
Speaker AAs journalists, part of their job, Right.
Speaker AIs to bait somebody in that got you moment type question.
Speaker AListen, if there's one guy you're not gonna get.
Speaker BYeah, he's good.
Speaker AIt's Jerome Powell.
Speaker BHe's bro.
Speaker AHe's stoic.
Speaker BYeah, he's right there.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BHe's not.
Speaker BHe.
Speaker BHe.
Speaker BI don't think I could be as measured as he is in his responses.
Speaker BAnd he was even like chuckling a little bit or he kind of, like laughed.
Speaker BHe was all right.
Speaker AIn his mind.
Speaker AHe's just thinking like, man, I don't get paid enough for this.
Speaker BWell, I had an epiphany today that this show is going to expose that the tariff debacle is going to create a massive problem that I'm not aware that anyone's talked about.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker BAnd because of that, I think there's a whole lot to break down.
Speaker BBut we're also doing this because we're.
Speaker BJill's not here.
Speaker BWe're testing out what would ultimately be kind of our live setup.
Speaker BWhen you join the show live.
Speaker BWe're.
Speaker BWe're on screen here, and I'm controlling.
Speaker BI got a mouse in front of me.
Speaker BSo if you're watching us, number one, I'm sorry, we're hideous.
Speaker BNumber two, this is what the live structure is going to kind of be like whenever we have a live with Saeed in the studio.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AAnd I don't know exactly where you're going with the whole tariff conversation.
Speaker ASo the listeners and the viewers are.
Speaker BWe're.
Speaker AWe're together on this.
Speaker BYou had to put an asterisk.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AI just want you to know, get prepared for.
Speaker AFor my response.
Speaker BIf I myself live, I want everybody to know I didn't know that's real.
Speaker AExactly.
Speaker AThis was not planned.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BAll right, well, I'm going to build up into it a little bit because it's going to take some time.
Speaker BBut I. I want to be clear that I know this is going to happen.
Speaker BSo in and of itself, problem.
Speaker BAnd the FOMC today did exactly what we expect them to do.
Speaker BThey did not cut rates.
Speaker BIt was a foregone conclusion.
Speaker BThey weren't going to.
Speaker BI think everybody leading into it was going to feel that way.
Speaker BDavid Kelly from JP Morgan Chase had some excellent comments.
Speaker BI'm loving that dude.
Speaker AYeah, I know.
Speaker AYou were getting all geeked out on him.
Speaker BYeah, I got a nerd crush.
Speaker BHard on him.
Speaker BHe's good.
Speaker BWhy?
Speaker BHe's got a pretty palpable amount of humility for a guy in his position with his pedigree and prestige.
Speaker AWhat does he do over at J.P. morgan?
Speaker BI remember his actual title.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BYou know what we can do?
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AWe can actually look this up.
Speaker BDavid Kelly, JP Morgan.
Speaker BThere you go.
Speaker AIt's just crazy right there.
Speaker BSalary.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BYou know.
Speaker BYeah, Salary.
Speaker BLet's see here.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker BChief Global Strategist, head of Global Market Insight Strategy Team.
Speaker BAll I'm hearing is he gets paid a lot.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ADollar signs.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BThere he is.
Speaker BThere he is.
Speaker BThis is.
Speaker BThis is the younger version.
Speaker AHonestly, that's a rich smile.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BDavid's research.
Speaker BI don't have research.
Speaker BLike, do you have research focused on investment implications of evolving economic environments?
Speaker BHe has written extensively in all aspects.
Speaker BHave you written extensively on all aspects?
Speaker AI do research for this show, though I don't get paid for it as.
Speaker BBlah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker BThroughout his career, David has developed a unique ability to explain complex economic and market issues in a language that financial professionals, like the higher standard, can use to communicate their clients.
Speaker BHe's a keynote speaker at many national investment conferences and a frequent guest on CNBC, Bloomberg and other financial media outlets.
Speaker BPrior to joining J.P. morgan Asset Management, David served as economic advisor to Putnam Investments.
Speaker BHe also served as a senior strategist economist at SPP Investment Management, Primark Decision Economics and Lehman Brothers and Dri McGraw Hill, the publisher.
Speaker BGreat.
Speaker BHe's a CFA.
Speaker BOf course he is.
Speaker BAnd has a Ph.D. in MA in economics from Michigan State University and a BA in economics from University University College Dublin in the Republic of Ireland.
Speaker BHe's Irish?
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BWell, yeah.
Speaker BHe's got 19 years.
Speaker BJP Morgan Chase.
Speaker BYeah, it's cool.
Speaker BNot.
Speaker BI'm not bitter about that at all.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker AAnd what was, what was his take on.
Speaker AOn the FOMC meeting today?
Speaker BHe was just very clear.
Speaker BHe's like, look, I don't think you're Gonna get a rate cut.
Speaker BI'm not sure there's anything here to prompt a rate cut.
Speaker BMm.
Speaker BI.
Speaker BYou know, I don't know how this all plays out, but there's the wait and see approach.
Speaker BAnd they talked to him about jobs and affordability, and he was just really, really good.
Speaker BYeah, a lot of economists will have a slant, and he didn't.
Speaker BHe was just very, like, matter of fact about it, and he was calling shenanigans on some of the affordability stuff that other people were saying.
Speaker BLike, he.
Speaker BHe's got.
Speaker BHe's got kind of a very dry personality.
Speaker BI always suggest listening.
Speaker BI like him from a personality perspective.
Speaker BHe doesn't, like, come off like, oh, this guy's amazing.
Speaker BBut once you get to hear him speak enough times, like, he says the right things.
Speaker BOkay, okay, so let's get into some of the stuff that I put.
Speaker BThis is going to be all heavy Instagram today.
Speaker BI apologize in advance.
Speaker BSo if you guys see anything pop up my Instagram, it's.
Speaker BIt's fault.
Speaker BAll right, so this from Morning Brew.
Speaker BAmerican consumers are overwhelmingly footing the tariff bill.
Speaker BYou ready?
Speaker BYou ready to jump in?
Speaker AWe knew this, right?
Speaker ABecause when the price of things go up, the companies who are actually making or selling these things aren't going to foot that bill.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AThat ultimately is going to get passed on to the consumer.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ASo, okay.
Speaker BSo much so that American consumers are bearing 96% of the tariff costs.
Speaker AI mean, believe it.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BStudy finds.
Speaker BNew research from Germany's Kiel institute finds that U.S. tariffs have worked less like a tax on foreign exporters and much more like a consumption tax on Americans.
Speaker BSo let's frame this.
Speaker BWe as Americans are now being taxed more because we decided to penalize other countries by increasing tariffs.
Speaker BSo what happened?
Speaker BThey ship their products over here, but they raise their prices to sell it to us so they can pay the tariffs, and they still make the same amount of money.
Speaker BThe government makes more money.
Speaker BWe pay the government more money vis a vis these tariffs.
Speaker BWe do.
Speaker BYou do.
Speaker BI do.
Speaker BEverybody does.
Speaker BAnd everyone's like, oh, that's inflationary.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BThat's why.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BIf companies are raising their prices to cover it.
Speaker BSo everybody on.
Speaker BOn conversations that we've had lately has been like, hey, dude, guy, bro.
Speaker BHave we seen all the inflation impact from tariffs?
Speaker BAnd you would say, I mean, I.
Speaker AWould say, yes, we should have by now, but it's going to slowly trickle in more and more as time goes on.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BAnd I think that's a fair assessment, except there's A couple things we need to think about in the context of this, and trust me, I'm gonna get to the big tariff epiphany later on.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BBut I want to set the stage.
Speaker BYou have to.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BI want to light the candles.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker BGet the bubble bath going, lay some flowers, make some tea, get ready for Valentine's Day with my guys.
Speaker BThere you go.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker BSo what we're doing right now is we're talking about how this happens, but here's what happens.
Speaker BThe tariffs come and then they go, Right?
Speaker BThat's right.
Speaker BWe've seen a lot of conversations.
Speaker BHey, we're going to raise tariffs.
Speaker BPeople raise their prices, and the prices don't go back down.
Speaker AYes.
Speaker BSo these companies walk into more profit.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BSo we're not going to ultimately pay less because of this.
Speaker BThis is not the epiphany.
Speaker ANo.
Speaker BThis is the aperitif.
Speaker BI'm cleaning the palate a little bit.
Speaker BI'm.
Speaker BThis is a foreplay.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker BJust want you to know, you get mad later on.
Speaker BRight now, I'm just setting you up.
Speaker AAll right.
Speaker BI'm getting you in the mood.
Speaker BSo we know that the tariffs have increased prices permanently.
Speaker BAnd this has been inflationary permanently.
Speaker BWe know that inflation has been bad from 2000 to 2025.
Speaker BYou know that the necessities in life, things you absolutely have to pay for, have gone up disproportionate to your wages.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BWhile the nice things to have, like TVs, have gone up, but not as much as your wages have.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker AAnd we know that even though you get the prints from the CPI or PCE that the Fed likes to look at for inflation, although it might say it's, you know, in the 2.8% range or 3% range, that's not really what inflation is.
Speaker AInflation is probably closer to 6, 7, or 8%.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BRead a great study over the weekend about how putting your money into a savings account is actually losing money.
Speaker BThey broke it down.
Speaker AEspecially when you factor in the taxes you got to pay on the interest income.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AThey don't like to account for.
Speaker BThey.
Speaker BNobody wants to account for that.
Speaker ANope.
Speaker BHey, man, you made money putting in your savings, your high yield savings account, except we're going to tax you on it.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AYou got to report that.
Speaker BYeah, that's a problem.
Speaker BSo after analyzing $4 trillion in trade flows from January 2024 to November 2025, researchers estimate that US consumers and importers absorbed about 96% of tariff costs, while foreign exporters ate just 4% by cutting prices.
Speaker BSo the idea that tariffs force foreigners to pay up isn't holding up.
Speaker BThat dynamic still generated serious cash for Washington, about $200 billion in tariff revenue last year.
Speaker BBut it's largely money pulled from American pockets.
Speaker BSo far, inflation has stayed relatively moderate, largely because importers and retailers have swallowed much of the cost, per Harvard Business School research.
Speaker BBut economists warn those pressures are likely to show up more clearly in consumer prices over time as margins continue to get squeezed globally.
Speaker BThe pain hasn't even, hasn't evenly spread.
Speaker BIndian exporters, for example, cut shipment volumes to the US by 18 to 24%, a meaningful amount, might I add, rather than slash prices while Europe faces slower growth if tariff threats escalate further now, that in and of itself is bad.
Speaker BEverything in that was bad.
Speaker BYeah, no one's going to hear that and go, hey, that's great.
Speaker AYeah, yeah, the, the future looks promising.
Speaker BNo, yeah, the future does look promising if you're exporting.
Speaker BYeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker BSo let's just.
Speaker AYeah, that's true.
Speaker ABecause a.
Speaker AA week right now, it's no secret.
Speaker AAnd we'll probably find time later in the show to dive into what a weakening dollar does.
Speaker ARight?
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AA weakening dollar ultimately who it benefits.
Speaker AIt benefits the people exporting things out of the country for sure.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker ABecause that means it'll.
Speaker AThe assets that you're selling are in higher demand because it's cheaper relative to than the rest of the world.
Speaker AAnd it benefits the stock market.
Speaker ABenefits things like gold.
Speaker BSo yeah, gold at all time high, stock market at all time high.
Speaker BWe had 7,000 in the S and P today, which was insanity.
Speaker BYou got homes at near all time unaffordability, but certainly near all time high prices.
Speaker BAnd it's a bad, it's a bad multi cocktail and gold rising at the same time.
Speaker BThese things happen is an inverse relationship.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BThere's been a decoupling of so many things all at the same time.
Speaker BJobs and inflation were very much coupled together.
Speaker BI don't think that's the case anymore.
Speaker BI think technology displaced that.
Speaker BI think that the gold and stock market being kind of this inverse and reverse inflationary trending of hedging inflation in your bets.
Speaker BI don't think that's happening anymore.
Speaker ANo.
Speaker BYet crypto's been high up there for a while.
Speaker BI don't think that's happening happening anymore.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BSo it's been a strange, strange time.
Speaker BI don't have any like real meaningful answers, but I do know one thing.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker BThis from Yahoo Finance.
Speaker BTariffs have raised $200 billion in revenue for the U.S. but a recent study found that American consumers are absorbing 96% of the tariff costs.
Speaker BWe already know that from the Keel Institute.
Speaker BThe tariffs are an own goal.
Speaker BInteresting.
Speaker BTariff revenue increased by $200 billion in 2025.
Speaker BA new study says 96% of the burden was passed off on.
Speaker BWhile importers and wholesalers face the immediate burden, they must pay the tariff at the border.
Speaker BNext, they face a choice, absorb the cost to reduce margins or pass it on to their consumers.
Speaker BThe study analyzed shipment level Data covering over 25 million transactions valued at nearly $4 trillion and determined a near complete tariff pass through to consumers.
Speaker BThe $200 billion surge in customer revenue is not free money.
Speaker BIt comes from American wallets.
Speaker BThe study's author states.
Speaker BYou start to see some of the tariffs creep into some of the prices.
Speaker BAndy Jassy, Amazon CEO, in an interview with CNBC so this is not speculation, this is not hyperbole by Said and I.
Speaker BWe don't have a political agenda.
Speaker BThese are just independent facts with a massive amount of data which we were.
Speaker ACalling from day one, calling from day one from ever since, you know, the we were all prepped on Liberation Day.
Speaker AWe knew that, you know, this was not going to help.
Speaker AThis is only going to make the.
Speaker BProblem worse and it is going to get much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much.
Speaker BI can't have enough muches here.
Speaker BMuch, much, much worse.
Speaker BAnd let's before we get to the the main meal of tonight that we're gonna spend some time on.
Speaker BYeah, let's talk about this.
Speaker BThat came up today.
Speaker BThis is also via Yahoo Finance, via Instagram.
Speaker BConsumer sentiment up 2.5 points from December.
Speaker BI would argue from December holiday pressures, people having to spend money to buy gifts and all the pressures in around year end, maybe bonuses.
Speaker BYeah, 2.5% jump in that from December to January is not meaningful because it's still down 21% year over year.
Speaker B56.4 was the index in January 2026.
Speaker BIn January of 2025 it was 70.
Speaker BYeah, 71.7.
Speaker BSo down 21% year over year.
Speaker BOkay, maybe there's a healthy consumer sentiment, maybe it's perspective shifting.
Speaker BI don't know.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BWhat I can tell you is that consumers are in a wait and see mode as they weigh inflation in the weakening job markets.
Speaker BAnd the rhetoric that we saw today from the FOMC in my mind was strange, which was what they continue to say that job creation and technological advances tend to go hand in hand, that we've Seen historically over the cadence of history, we've seen like the Internet.com boom, those Internet things that were supposed to displace jobs.
Speaker AI mean, I know created jobs.
Speaker AThat's like 20 some years ago.
Speaker AThat's not a whole lot to like base off of.
Speaker AYou know when you say based on history, right?
Speaker ALike, yeah.
Speaker AI mean, every.
Speaker AEverything that we're hearing is the technology is going to replace the worker.
Speaker BOh, said.
Speaker BWho do you think would be a subject matter expert on this?
Speaker BJust give me somebody, some people like, perspective, wise.
Speaker ASam Altman.
Speaker BSam Altman.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker BYeah, yeah.
Speaker BWhat do you think about Jerome Powell?
Speaker BYou think he's subject matter expert?
Speaker AHe should be.
Speaker BDo you think anybody on the FOMC is a subject matter expert on AI?
Speaker BNo.
Speaker ANo, no, no, no, no.
Speaker BWhat about Elon Musk?
Speaker BYou think you trust him?
Speaker AHe should probably.
Speaker AIn this space?
Speaker BProbably in this space, yeah.
Speaker BOkay, well, I'm glad you said so.
Speaker AI would trust someone like Lex Friedman on this.
Speaker BI would trust someone like Lex Friedman as well.
Speaker BElon Musk in his first appearance in Davos, the subject matter of episode 319, where we cover the World Economic Forum.
Speaker BSo he's got a big grin on his face.
Speaker BHe's looking at it.
Speaker AOh, man.
Speaker BOn AI.
Speaker BI don't know what's going to happen in 10 years, but with the rate at which AI is progressing, we might have AI that is smarter than any human by the end of this year, and I would say no later than next year.
Speaker BHe's talking about AGI.
Speaker BArtificial General Intelligence.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker BSo.
Speaker BWow, that's a pretty brisk timeline.
Speaker AYeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker BYou know, okay, it goes on.
Speaker BIf you have ubiquitous AI that is essentially free or close to it, and ubiquitous robotics, then you will have an explosion in the global economy and expansion in the global economy that is truly beyond all precedent.
Speaker AI mean, yeah, if.
Speaker BThat's a big if.
Speaker BI don't know that it's a big.
Speaker BYou've seen robots all over the news.
Speaker BI've seen them.
Speaker BYou've seen them?
Speaker BRobots that can run, right?
Speaker BRobots that do cartwheels.
Speaker ABut how they get implemented.
Speaker AHold on.
Speaker AI've also seen robots like go to meet a human and it's supposed to be like one that can, like, you know, prevent itself from getting attacked and like somebody just walks up and pushes it and just like collapses.
Speaker BYeah, I get that.
Speaker BBut if you have artificial general intelligence, it can say to go fuck yourself after you push it.
Speaker AYes, they could.
Speaker AThat's true.
Speaker BThis is a big.
Speaker AThis is a big if.
Speaker ABut how?
Speaker AOkay, first of all, how expensive would it be?
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AHow long would it take to implement it?
Speaker AWho would come in to have to train the robot?
Speaker ALike, I think the rollout will be slower than this timeline.
Speaker BThat's just my, I, like so my.
Speaker BHopefully I don't think we, the consumers will have it, but I think that the corporations will.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker BAnd.
Speaker BWell, let's go on here.
Speaker AWell, I mean, yeah, we heard, I mean, Amazon saying that they're getting ready to, you know, really lay off 30,000 jobs.
Speaker BYeah, well, they, so they said 14,000 was the original prediction.
Speaker BToday they announced 16,016.
Speaker ABut the ultimate goal is going to be 30.
Speaker BYeah, that's a problem.
Speaker BAnd there's internal memos and emails circle circulating where they talked on like their version of Slack where people were saying what, who was in what department when they got laid off.
Speaker BAnd it's, it's a meaningful layoff on the rise of robotics.
Speaker BWe don't want to find ourselves in a James Cameron movie.
Speaker BMusk said, you know, Terminator.
Speaker AYeah, we don't want, we don't want that.
Speaker BYeah, not, not Avatar.
Speaker BJust to be clear.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BAnd for quality of life, it's actually better to err on the side of being optimistic and wrong rather than pessimistic and right side.
Speaker BI think you're pessimistic and right versus optimistic and wrong.
Speaker BI'm just saying you're doing what Elon Musk is telling you not to do.
Speaker ANo, I know, but hold on.
Speaker AThe, the problem, the problem with this is Congress is always going to be slow to react and approve any type of like, regulation against any of this.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BThat is right.
Speaker ASo, and, and I, that because of that, I feel like we have been, the, have had the benefit of seeing the technology that we've seen over our lifetime and the way it's been expanding.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AAt an exponential rate because of that.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker ABut at some point you got to think to yourself, do we might.
Speaker AIf there isn't, we might end up in a James Cameron movie.
Speaker BI mean, Elon Musk is kind of telegraphing that.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BHe's basically saying, like, look like there's a high probability of this being a reality in the near future.
Speaker BAnd I'm not here to be one way or the other.
Speaker BI just.
Speaker BThis all relates to the economy and finance and I'm going to get back to it.
Speaker BThis all relates to tariffs, believe it or not.
Speaker BSo one of the things I think he's also been saying is, is that you really shouldn't worry about saving your money because we're going to have to go to some type of, you know, universal life, you know, income stability, you can call whatever you want.
Speaker BBecause there's going to be such efficient robotics and intelligence that human labor is going to be an outdated concept for a number of reasons, not the least of which is that robots can run 247 and humans have, you know, to sleep.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BAnd yet you.
Speaker BThis is the week before at the World Economic Forum, and yet the drone pal comes out going, yeah, there's gonna be impact.
Speaker ASo you gotta, you gotta have.
Speaker AYou got.
Speaker AYou're gonna have to get a degree, buy your own robot to represent you that can work 24 hours a day.
Speaker AYou have to program that thing, right?
Speaker ALike, pass.
Speaker AThey're gonna pass the cost of the robot onto the, the worker, the employee.
Speaker BSo before I go on, I think now is a good time to pause and.
Speaker BWell, you know what, let's do one more.
Speaker BI think this is actually relevant before I get into the whole tariff problem.
Speaker BI think this is going to be a good one.
Speaker BYou ready?
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BNow, you know, I've got a love hate relationship with Jane Fraser.
Speaker BOver at Citibank, their CEO, Jane Fraser cdo.
Speaker BI'm sorry, Citi CEO Jane Frazier warns staff in a memo that old habits are out and performance is in.
Speaker AWhat do you think she means by old habits?
Speaker BI don't have to wonder.
Speaker BBusiness Insider via Instagram explains this.
Speaker BCiti CEO Jane Fraser is adopting a player coach mentality with her team this year, and she's making clear she expects them to run another lap.
Speaker BI figured this was a right up your alley as far as analogies go.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker BIn a memo sent on Wednesday titled the Bar Is Raised, Fraser told the firm's more than 200,000 employees that she expects higher performance this year.
Speaker AAnd you see, better quoting.
Speaker BEvery one of us has to adopt a more commercial mindset, asking for the business, competing for the full wallet, and not settling for a secondary role or missed opportunity.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BAsk how.
Speaker BWell, ask Wells Fargo.
Speaker BThat went for them.
Speaker BWe are not graded on effort.
Speaker BWe are judged on our results.
Speaker BAnd I expect to see the last vestiges of old bad habits fall away and a more disciplined, more confident winning city fully emerge in 2026.
Speaker BFrazier wrote in the memo, which was earlier reported by Bloomberg.
Speaker BOh, Jane.
Speaker BJanie poo.
Speaker AThat's the part of, like, my time over at Wells Fargo when I was there.
Speaker AAnd it was during that time where, you know, they got in trouble for all the stuff they got in trouble for later on.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AOpening the accounts and whatnot right.
Speaker ABut I mean, at the time I was behind the teller window.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker ABut the amount of pressure of.
Speaker AI know you hit record numbers last month.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AWhat are you doing now?
Speaker AYou're like, what kind of culture is this?
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AI can't wait to leave this place.
Speaker BSo I should point out this is pretty obvious to some, but for the record, I'll say it, that and when it comes to banking or any company, the more products they have into you, the stickier relationship is, the harder it is to move.
Speaker BThat is the nexus of some of this in banking as it particularly relates.
Speaker BIf you have loans with them, they want to increase your deposits because they can lend that money out.
Speaker BAnd that's how they make money.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BThey take money in as deposits, they pay a 2% for it.
Speaker BLet's say they make a loan at 7%.
Speaker BLet's say the difference that 5% is their profit.
Speaker BBut you need more cash to make loans.
Speaker BAnd of course, there's ways to lever that up.
Speaker BBut for the purpose of the conversation, banks want that.
Speaker BSo.
Speaker AAnd they want the relationship.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BThey're trying to drive credit cards at point of sale, they're trying to drive deposits at point of sale, all because they're trying to build up this stickiness and continue to drive this revenue which.
Speaker ABuilds their business and get you into their full ecosystem.
Speaker AThat's right.
Speaker ATo where there's no way you're gonna go through the pain and hassle to ever leave again after you've.
Speaker AWe've like built this all out for you.
Speaker BYep.
Speaker BAnd it is a hassle.
Speaker BSo it's a real problem.
Speaker BAnd so look, now we have pressure by CEOs to come back to the office.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BYou have pressure for performance, like by people like Jane Frazier.
Speaker BYou've got people like Jamie Dimon talking about AI as a part of every conversation at the executive table.
Speaker BAnd he discussed that in Davos, which we went over, excuse me, in episode 319.
Speaker BSo we know that there's this really palpable dynamic happening as it relates to employment.
Speaker BAnd yet the fomc, Jerome Powell comes out and says stuff like, ah, you know, I don't.
Speaker BYou know, there's always an error, you know, an area of job creation that comes out with this job destruction.
Speaker BAnd we're just not seeing anything.
Speaker BShould you see anything like this, Jerome jp Bang bang Powell.
Speaker BBang bang Powell.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BYou know, should you, should you be seeing.
Speaker BI mean, is there.
Speaker BHas there ever been an event in history which we can point to that has been.
Speaker BI mean, the industrial Revolution, maybe.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker BWhere do you think we're going with this?
Speaker AOkay, no, keep going.
Speaker ANo, no, no, no, no.
Speaker AI'm following, I'm following.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BI'm just saying that Jerome Bang bang Powell probably is not thinking this through.
Speaker BAnd the fomc, I get it, you're data dependent.
Speaker BYou can only look backwards.
Speaker BYou can't forecast forward.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker BBut we also know that their changes from an economic rate perspective don't stop the economy on a dimension.
Speaker BThey're generally reactive and they're lagging.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BTo matriculate through the system.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AAnd he knows that.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BSo I, I think that there is a problem here.
Speaker BAnd then I'm listening to the FOMC today.
Speaker BI'm listening to the, the tariff conversation.
Speaker BI'm preparing for the show that was tonight.
Speaker BAnd I had the epiphany, the light bulb moment where I realized this is about to get really.
Speaker BAnd I'm going to be very terse here.
Speaker BUgly.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker BAnd I'm the only person that I know is talking about this.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker BSo let's just walk this through.
Speaker BSaeed, you ready?
Speaker AOkay, I'm ready.
Speaker BI want you to, you know, dial in, baby.
Speaker AI'm dial.
Speaker AI'm in.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker BAll right.
Speaker BWe know that the government has just generated $200 billion in revenue vis a vis tariffs.
Speaker BYes.
Speaker BWe know that those tariffs were charged to the American consumer.
Speaker B96% of them passed through to them.
Speaker AYes.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BWe predicted this.
Speaker BAnd now you've probably heard the government saying that they're going to give higher tax refunds.
Speaker BSome people have said 2000, some people have said 4000.
Speaker BThe tax returns.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BWhat does that remind you of?
Speaker AStimulus checks.
Speaker BThat's right.
Speaker BAnd what did the stimulus checks do to the economy?
Speaker BInflationary, Hyperinflationary.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BIt drove pricing through the roof on homes.
Speaker BIt gave American consumers so much money they hadn't had in savings.
Speaker BAnd I'm all for it, but the problem is it lights the economy on fire.
Speaker ABut, but for the administration, we.
Speaker AI think it's pretty clear that one of the things that's probably the most important is how the market's doing.
Speaker AThey care about the stock market more than anything.
Speaker BSo you know what we all just did.
Speaker BLet me break it down real simple.
Speaker BTariffs were an interest free loan from us to the government.
Speaker BAll those products we're paying now more for that we were overcharged for.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BWe're going to get a small portion of that overpayment back in the form of a tax refund one time to $4,000.
Speaker BOne time.
Speaker ABut those prices on the things that we overpaid for remain elevated.
Speaker BRemain elevated.
Speaker BSo we gave the government a $200 billion interest free loan and they're going to give us these pseudo stimmy checks in the form of an extra tax return ahead of the Republican midterm elections.
Speaker BEveryone's going to be fat and happy.
Speaker BIt's going to be their version of stimulus checks.
Speaker AHow much more?
Speaker BAnd we're going to light the fucking economy on fire.
Speaker ABut, but it's also, it's also going to be unfair.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ABecause I think when this proposal was being floated around, it's, it's capped at certain income earners.
Speaker BThat's right.
Speaker ASo it's the, the people that earn more, like, I think it was like over a hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker AIf you, you're out.
Speaker BYep.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ASo then a majority of the population falls like under that.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ASo they go, they get it.
Speaker AAnd you're like, wait a minute, we all overpaid for things.
Speaker BThat's right.
Speaker AThat doesn't make sense.
Speaker BSo now we're going to give people interest, their money back, a small portion of their money back.
Speaker BWe're going to repeat the past mistakes of stimulus checks.
Speaker BWe're going to put this extra money in people's accounts.
Speaker BThey're going to get refunds they otherwise would not have gotten.
Speaker BAnd reminder, as a reminder, a tax refund is not a good thing.
Speaker BIt means you overpaid.
Speaker AHold on.
Speaker AAnd the, the, yeah, and the, the stimmy check that you're going to get vis a vis this.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AYou're going to go spend it on things that you're going to have to pay taxes on.
Speaker BThat's right.
Speaker ASo where does the money go back to?
Speaker BUltimately the government.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AWow.
Speaker BSo we got royally screwed.
Speaker BThis is.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BWow.
Speaker AWhat a hustle.
Speaker BWhat a hustle.
Speaker BAnd they all did.
Speaker BUnder the auspice of, oh, I'm making the economy great.
Speaker BNo, you're not.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AOh, hey, you weren't allowed to actually do this with the tariffs.
Speaker AOkay, fine.
Speaker AI'll give it back to everybody.
Speaker BAnd what?
Speaker AMy bad, my bad, my bad.
Speaker BSo what do we know?
Speaker BThe Biden administration said when there was two successive quarters of negative GDP growth.
Speaker BNo, no, no, no, no.
Speaker AYou got to average it out, bro.
Speaker BIt's got to have two successful quarters of negative GDI growth.
Speaker BGross domestic income as well.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AWe got to average the GDI with.
Speaker BThe gdp and then if it's still negative, artificially inflated.
Speaker BBecause we handed out stimulus checks.
Speaker BYes.
Speaker BSo if you're the government and you know that possibly that's on the horizon.
Speaker AThat's dirty.
Speaker BYou hand out additional stimulus checks and I don't want to be this guy, but I'm going to be this guy.
Speaker BGoogle.
Speaker AI love when you did this on the live, by the way.
Speaker ALike fact checking in real time.
Speaker BYeah, it was, it was naughty.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BWhen are the midterm elections?
Speaker BIn 2026.
Speaker ATuesday, November 3, 2026.
Speaker BOh, that's interesting.
Speaker BOkay, so we're gonna give people tax refunds in April, right?
Speaker BMay, June, they're gonna get it.
Speaker BThey're gonna spend July.
Speaker BThey're all gonna be happy.
Speaker ABy November they should be happy.
Speaker AThey'll have more money.
Speaker AYeah, I, yeah.
Speaker AThat's disgusting.
Speaker BWhoops.
Speaker AIt's disgusting.
Speaker BDope.
Speaker BWe got, we got the biggest like rope a dope in history and no one, no one's calling it.
Speaker BLet me get it straight.
Speaker BWe're gonna say, we're gonna say, oh, the tariff inflation's passed through.
Speaker BIt's all fine.
Speaker BWe all just got charged a ton of money.
Speaker AYeah, yeah.
Speaker BEverything went up price wise.
Speaker AAnd we, and we talked about it too.
Speaker AHow, right, like that, that new poverty line is really 140,000.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AAnd they'll never admit to that, Right.
Speaker ABecause that means like the entire population is like below the poverty line or you know, a majority.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker ASo way more people should be getting some, some of that stimmy back.
Speaker ABut I don't know, man, but is.
Speaker BIt so again, and here's the part that trips me out, right?
Speaker BSo companies will earn more money, right.
Speaker BThen they're going to earn more money because we've put money in people's pockets and people are going to spend that in one way, shape or form.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BSo all this trickles down, but wages have not kept up with inflation.
Speaker BSo.
Speaker BBut we're not going to pay the employees more.
Speaker BWe're going to demand, AKA Jane Frazier.
Speaker BYes, demand they become more efficient, more dedicated, more cross, sell more work.
Speaker BRight, right.
Speaker BBut then you got Amazon laying off a ton of people.
Speaker BSo at what point do we go, we should probably rethink the humanity here.
Speaker BCapitalism has run its course.
Speaker BThe corporations are winning.
Speaker BAt what point do we say, okay, like this, this is going a direction that's not good.
Speaker AI don't think, you know.
Speaker ANo, no, everyone's going to continue to ride the wave, man.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AI was doing some research, I was riding, I was doing some research before the show.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AAnd we, we've like routinely talked about like Michael Burry on the show.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker AAnd There was a tweet of his like that, a really popular one that went viral years ago.
Speaker AI think it was in January of 23.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker AThat just came out itself.
Speaker ARight?
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AAnd if you listen to that.
Speaker AAnd first of all, he had all the data to back it up, to show, like, there's a problem here.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AThat was back in 23rd January.
Speaker BYep.
Speaker AIf you listen to that back then, I think when I looked it up, The S&P 500 was at 3900.
Speaker AWe're now at 7000.
Speaker BYep.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AIt's like, markets don't crash because of, you know, headlines or certain data.
Speaker AThey crash because something breaks, ultimately.
Speaker BIrrational exuberance.
Speaker AOh, was that green Field?
Speaker BNo, that's me, baby.
Speaker BNo, I stole it from somebody who said.
Speaker BBut, yeah, it's.
Speaker BIt's.
Speaker BYeah, something breaks.
Speaker BAnd the problem is, is we are pushing this to a point where something absolutely has to break.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BBecause here's the problem.
Speaker BIf it doesn't break, we all can't afford to live.
Speaker BI mean, this.
Speaker BThat's.
Speaker BThat's the sad part is people are like, oh, this is.
Speaker BEverything's.
Speaker BI, I hate.
Speaker BI detest getting on like an FOMC meeting.
Speaker BAnd everyone's like, gumdrops and lollipops.
Speaker BIt's amazing.
Speaker AThings are going well.
Speaker BThings are great.
Speaker BWe don't need to cut.
Speaker BAnd some of these talking heads on CNBC are like, this is amazing.
Speaker BWe're great.
Speaker BWhy?
Speaker BThe market's gonna go up 20 this year.
Speaker B14.
Speaker BWe're gonna have four years.
Speaker BThey said this in the FOMC.
Speaker BWe're gonna.
Speaker BFour years of a bull market with 14 gains.
Speaker BAnd I'm like, and do you really think that's good?
Speaker BAre you really going to look me in the eye and say, because you're getting fatter and richer, that the rest of society isn't in peril because of what's likely to happen?
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BAnd I don't want to sound like Peter Schiff where I'm ringing the alarm freaking out, but we're doing.
Speaker BWe're doing wildly stupid shit.
Speaker BWildly stupid.
Speaker BRight, Tariffs.
Speaker BOkay, great.
Speaker BGreat in theory, but that doesn't penalize a country.
Speaker BYeah, it penalizes the citizens.
Speaker BAnd I understand you want to negotiate, do all these things.
Speaker BTariffs have come and gone.
Speaker BAll good, fine.
Speaker BShow me how this improves the deficit.
Speaker BOh, so we, the consumers, are going to pay for your deficit?
Speaker BBecause that's what's really happening.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BIf someone came out and said, hey, man, we're going to punish China by making you guys pay down Our debt.
Speaker AMm.
Speaker BYou've been like, wait, what?
Speaker BWhat?
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BHell no.
Speaker BNo.
Speaker ARight, Exactly.
Speaker BRight, yeah.
Speaker BWhy would I do that?
Speaker BBut instead, you.
Speaker BYou use the economic unintelligence or the lack of financial literacy of most Americans against them.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BYou charge them.
Speaker BYou show them who's boss.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AI don't know.
Speaker AThe whole.
Speaker AThe whole thing really bothers me.
Speaker AAnd the.
Speaker AThe problem is it really goes back to the great financial crisis.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BThe whole.
Speaker AThis whole problem, it was either die a quick, painful death.
Speaker ARight, Right.
Speaker ARight then and there.
Speaker AOr a slow, painful inflationary death.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker AAnd they are.
Speaker AThey chose the latter.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AA lot of bailouts.
Speaker AAnd here's the problem.
Speaker AWhen the debt level gets to the levels that we're at now, you can't raise interest rates high enough to solve this problem because the debt payments are way too high.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ASo, like, I was listening.
Speaker BI don't know what website this is.
Speaker BWas amazing.
Speaker BThe U.S. national debt.
Speaker BU.S. debt clock dot org.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BWow.
Speaker ALook at this.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker A$38 trillion.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AInsane, man.
Speaker ASo now you got this problem, right?
Speaker AWhere we're all seeing gold hit all time highs, all time highs, all time highs.
Speaker AIt's only happened gold outperforming the market.
Speaker AIt's only happened a handful of times.
Speaker BAnd they almost always recessions.
Speaker AAnd we talked about it on the last episode.
Speaker ARight?
Speaker AThe Great Depression.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker AThe seventies during Volker's era.
Speaker ADouble dip recession.
Speaker BRight, Right.
Speaker BRight around the time we came off the gold standard in 71.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AThe dot com bubble.
Speaker BAlso, Jerome Powell referenced Volcker today.
Speaker BDid you catch that?
Speaker AYeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker AThat's his boy.
Speaker BThey asked him why he attended Lisa Cook's hearing in Supreme Court, the most important case.
Speaker AAnd for the Fed's history.
Speaker BRight, The Fed's history in modern history.
Speaker BBecause it has to do with Fed's independence.
Speaker BAnd then he cited that Volcker did the same thing for a case during.
Speaker AHis error as well, but also like, like, why?
Speaker AWhy?
Speaker AAnd it was like one of the first questions, right?
Speaker BYeah, because they were trying to.
Speaker BThe media was trying to prod Jerome Powell.
Speaker BThey were trying to like poke him to get him to say something.
Speaker BAnd I'm sitting here like, I was so annoyed.
Speaker BI'm like, can we all be professionals here?
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BLike you guys are in the room, you know, like, take pride in that.
Speaker BAsk a material question instead of like, hey, man, you don't get no fight with Uncle Jamie Diamond.
Speaker BHey, man.
Speaker AYeah, yeah.
Speaker BTrump said he gonna fire you, dog.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BWhat you got to say about that?
Speaker AYeah, I heard you got sued Bro, how you, how you holding up?
Speaker BI mean, is it true you have this real question?
Speaker BIs it true that you guys haven't complied with submitting your documents in the court case?
Speaker BBro, he's represented by counsel, you moron.
Speaker BYou think he's gonna answer that question for you?
Speaker AHe's just looking at you guys like, what are you guys doing?
Speaker ACome on, you're better than this.
Speaker BMeanwhile, Steve Leesman, who does have a personal relationship with Jerome Powell.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BHe finally asked like a series of really good questions.
Speaker BThank God for him.
Speaker AYeah, yeah.
Speaker ABut then I.
Speaker AYou look and you're like, okay, the problem has gotten to the point where it's gone so bad.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker AWhere the value of the dollar is weakening.
Speaker AI think we hit a four month low.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker AAnd gold is reaching all time highs.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker AWhere usually the conversation around gold, and we've talked about this on like recent episodes, that it's, it's a hedge against inflation.
Speaker AThat's one way to view it.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ABut it's also where it's also viewed as when people go into gold, there's a lot of volatility going on.
Speaker AAnd countries around the world, central banks around the world, are trying to get away from the dollar system.
Speaker BYeah, Right.
Speaker AAnd they're going into gold.
Speaker AThat's the reason why gold is going up as much as it is.
Speaker AIt's not that everyday investors are, hey, I think gold's a good option.
Speaker AI want to maintain my buying power.
Speaker ANo, bro, they're getting away from the dollar system, central banks around the world, and they're going into gold.
Speaker BThere's a couple of conversations internationally happened today about that as well.
Speaker BPeople going off gold standard as well.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker A100%.
Speaker AAnd it's.
Speaker AI only see that going up further.
Speaker ASo if I can, I can.
Speaker AWe talked about on the last episode, I always heard like financial planners saying gold should, you know, probably make up somewhere between 2 to 10%.
Speaker AAnd I think we saw Ray Dalio said 15%.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker AAnd like you're like, I mean, sounds a little bit more reasonable now.
Speaker BBut here's, here's my problem with all of this.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker BAgain, everyone's trying to navigate a market which is manipulated.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BAnd I'm not sitting here telling you not.
Speaker BYou got to play the.
Speaker BJamie diamond says you got, you got to live in the world you got.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BI get that.
Speaker BI'm not, I'm not judging one way or the other.
Speaker BBut what I'm saying is you'd be lying to yourself if you didn't acknowledge the game is rigged against You.
Speaker BIt was.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AThe game was not made for you and I.
Speaker BAnd I'm trying to level it out for most of our listeners to the extent that I can.
Speaker BIn the.
Speaker BThe frustrating part is sometimes I feel like this comes off too cerebral or too.
Speaker BI think there's a natural human aversion to wanting to deal with the realities that you're dealt.
Speaker BAnd let's just remove it away from finance in the show so people don't get offended.
Speaker BBut people don't want to believe that their narrative, whether it's religion or fitness or whatever it might be, you know, might be inaccurate.
Speaker BOkay?
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker BThat's why you hear all these old wives tales of eat this, don't eat that, and people.
Speaker BThe science has been proven otherwise.
Speaker BPeople still do it.
Speaker ADo you got to go paleo, bro?
Speaker BYou got to go paleo the way.
Speaker AWhat do you mean, bro?
Speaker AAtkins all the way, no carbs.
Speaker BAnd you start looking at stuff and you start thinking yourself.
Speaker BThere's a reason why conspiracy theories exist, okay?
Speaker BThere's a reason why some of those theories are real.
Speaker ASome of those theories are right.
Speaker BHumans are very fallible creatures.
Speaker BThey will do what's in their own self interest.
Speaker BAnd we like to think that we're like the species that cares about their fellow man.
Speaker BLook, I've seen way too much of it and I think.
Speaker BHere, here.
Speaker BDid you see the dead Internet thing that I posted today?
Speaker BYes.
Speaker BIt was great, right?
Speaker BAnd let me, Let me actually.
Speaker BX. I put on X.
Speaker BYou're right.
Speaker BSee, look, that's why you're here, Saeed.
Speaker AI got you, bro.
Speaker BHandsome and intelligent.
Speaker AAnd you put it on the LinkedIn's.
Speaker BI did put on the LinkedIns, but let's be honest here.
Speaker BNobody goes to my LinkedIn.
Speaker BI cannot grow on.
Speaker BOn, on X to save my life.
Speaker BFor those of you who are unfamiliar with the dead Internet theory, humans now only make up about 38.5% of Internet traffic.
Speaker BThe other 61.5% is non human, meaning search bots, hacking tools, scrapers, et cetera.
Speaker BThere are also about 5 billion users worldwide, or just under about 63% of the world's population since the Internet first launched in 1990.
Speaker BElon Musk initially claimed around 20% of X users were fake, with one 2025 study by Fifth Column AI estimating approximately 64% of profiles could be bots.
Speaker BTake a great deal of pause before you buy into the extremism and radicalization you may be provoked by on the Internet and social media.
Speaker BThe algorithms are now programming us, weaponizing the perception of, quote, popular opinion, end quote.
Speaker BAnd I think that's a very powerful statement.
Speaker BAll this was really to say that the algorithms are feeding us stuff that they want us to see that we might have some interest in because they know we will continue to be programmed by it.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AAnd that's why these laws around antitrust laws and for companies getting too large and having a monopoly while are so important.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ALike, I think meta is always like, you know, you know, get in trouble or on the brink of getting in trouble for that, or Google.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BCan I ask a question?
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BAnd this is.
Speaker BI mean, I'm on social media.
Speaker BI think.
Speaker AI think Zuckerberg said like 3.5 billion people use one of their products every single day.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AHow many people are there in the world?
Speaker AYeah, man, that's influence.
Speaker BThat's influence.
Speaker BBut why are the algorithms all black boxes?
Speaker BWhy don't we have.
Speaker BWhy aren't they required by law to keep an ongoing current?
Speaker BThis is our algorithm.
Speaker AMore transparency.
Speaker BTransparency?
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BLike, why is that not transparent?
Speaker AYeah, I mean, there.
Speaker AYes.
Speaker AThese companies, especially the public ones, are, you know, regulated.
Speaker AWhy isn't this part of the regulation?
Speaker BAgain, I'm not demonizing anybody.
Speaker BI'm not suggesting anything, but it's.
Speaker BIt strikes me as strange because it's proprietary.
Speaker BEven name for Pelosi to disclose her trades.
Speaker AThis is my.
Speaker AThis is.
Speaker AThis is our ip, bro.
Speaker AYou can't.
Speaker AWe can't have you get into our ip.
Speaker BWhat's your ip?
Speaker BYour IP is.
Speaker BYou have users now.
Speaker BYou're.
Speaker BYou're of a certain size and stature to where.
Speaker BLet me give you a great example of this again.
Speaker BOutside of this sector, banking.
Speaker BNothing a bank does is proprietary.
Speaker BI'm sorry, There is no unique product.
Speaker BThere is nothing special.
Speaker BJ.P. morgan Chase, Wells B of A.
Speaker BIt's just, who gives you the better service?
Speaker AAt the end of the day, it's the concierge service.
Speaker BRight, Right.
Speaker BIt's the same thing for social media.
Speaker BNow, who gives you the better experience?
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker BYour model, your algorithm means nothing to the consumer, but you disclosing it means everything to the parents.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AI guess for the, for the consumer, I'm, I'm not.
Speaker AI'm not so much tied to one.
Speaker AI remember when everybody was jumping on like the Instagram bandwagon back in the day originally.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AAnd then like Snapchat came around.
Speaker AFor some reason, I fell in love with the whole Snapchat model and the way, like, I could, like, I could follow all my news outlets.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AAnd the way that I Could just go and select versus it scrolling on my feed.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker ASo I guess you're.
Speaker AYou're hostage to their algorithm because everyone else has adopted it.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AIt's kind of like fiat currency.
Speaker AIf everyone else believes in this thing, you're now forced to have to believe in it too.
Speaker BIt's interesting too, there's a couple of things that are somewhat developing in the social media sphere.
Speaker BNumber one, TikTok being acquired by US company.
Speaker BThere's been a mass exodus of TikTok in the last day.
Speaker ASo I never, I never got on TikTok.
Speaker BSo I'm on.
Speaker BHas these algorithms have all changed.
Speaker BI talked to a very.
Speaker BI think I told you this off.
Speaker BOff the show.
Speaker BI talked to a pretty popular YouTuber.
Speaker BHe's got over a million followers and this is what he does for a living.
Speaker BIt's his primary income.
Speaker BAnd he was telling me that his views are down 50% since December.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BAnd he's got no reason for it other than there's just an influx of information and media coming now largely because of the influence of AI.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BIt's easier people to edit, to build.
Speaker BIt's also easier for people to do faceless channels.
Speaker BAnd it's just there's so much content that original content's being drowned out.
Speaker AYes.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BYou're also seeing this shift from produced content to people to algorithms pushing your phone.
Speaker BAnd I don't know even if I told you this, but, you know, we can't stream live on Tick Tock anymore.
Speaker BYou know why we got banned?
Speaker BWhy?
Speaker BIt's gonna blow your mind.
Speaker BTick Tock doesn't want a produced show fed to their algorithm.
Speaker BSo unless you're shaking or like showing like, like movement of like using your phone.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BThen they're gonna ban you because they don't want you pushing video content to their platform.
Speaker BWhich to me is interesting because I get on one hand, you don't want somebody using AI and like pushing it to your platform, but at the same time.
Speaker BSo you're going to encourage fake content or content that's lower quality.
Speaker BAnd sadly, that's what all the major, like people in the, in the algorithms are saying now is lower quality product pushes farther in all the algorithms, including Instagram.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AI mean, for the algorithms.
Speaker AWe've talked about this on the show, where sometimes I wonder, because it's no secret, if somebody has the ability to manipulate the algorithm and control what you see and what gets fed to you, they're going to, they're going to exploit that.
Speaker AThey're going to take advantage of that.
Speaker AObviously, anybody who wants to grow their company or get a certain agenda across, they're going to take advantage of that.
Speaker AOn a basic human level.
Speaker AParents do this every year around Christmas.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AWith Elf on the shelf.
Speaker AWe're going to.
Speaker AI'm going to manipulate this thing.
Speaker AI would make you believe.
Speaker ASo if parents are doing it, then you better believe the government's going to do it or whatever company, whatever hidden agendas there are.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker AI just think there's so much going on around all around the world at all times now, and we're exposed to all of it that it's hard to pay attention to everything and have to care about everything.
Speaker AEverything how I'm supposed to care about what's happening in my current local neighborhood.
Speaker AAnd also things that are going across the country and.
Speaker AAnd also things across the world and stay up to date with what's going on in my local politics and my national politics and also.
Speaker AAlso manage my finances.
Speaker AAlso make sure it's like, dude, there's people are becoming desensitized to everything.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BProgressive.
Speaker BAnd I think that works to a point.
Speaker BAnd then after that you just go, I can't do this.
Speaker AAnd I also think that's part of the plan.
Speaker AThat's.
Speaker AThat's always been part of the plan.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BLook at tariffs.
Speaker BTariffs where we're going to hit you so hard with tariffs in international geopolitics, you're not even going to look the best magic tricks are the tricks that are laid out so far in advance you don't understand them.
Speaker AYes.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker A100.
Speaker BAnd that's what tariffs were.
Speaker AIf.
Speaker AIf part of.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker AIf part of the.
Speaker AWhat's going on systematically.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AIs we need to.
Speaker AHey, show you a shiny object over here so you can't pay attention to what we're doing over here.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker AThen the whole algorithm is that I'm going to show you what's going on over at this part of the world and guess what your algorithm is going to do.
Speaker AYou're locked into that and now you're manipulated over here.
Speaker AOr I'm going to show you what's going on with the Department of Homeland Security and what's going on over here.
Speaker AAnd guess what?
Speaker AYou're going to be so invested in that that that's all you're going to be able to focus on while we take care of whatever we want to do over here.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BAnd that.
Speaker BThat's like, I'm going to be pointed here and don't comment if you don't feel comfortable given your current situation, but I'll comment on it.
Speaker BAnd this is why you see hyper extremism from a geopolitical standpoint.
Speaker BThis is why you see ICE raids in your feedback because it's also a parasitic cycle, right?
Speaker BWhat's going to happen, people, governments will do this to keep your focus on other things.
Speaker BLike I'll be honest, let's be clear, when is the last time you heard about Trump and Epstein?
Speaker BAnd this video won't get produced in the algorithm, but I'm just saying when was the last time you heard about it?
Speaker BAll you hear about is, is you hear about the geopolitical noise.
Speaker BYou hear about ICE in some of these places doing insanely terrible things.
Speaker BAnd then guess what?
Speaker BNews media outlets who are on social media pump this to you because they want to get more views.
Speaker BListen, man.
Speaker BAnd then your friends share it because they want to get more views.
Speaker BAnd then everybody virtue signals.
Speaker BAnd I'll be honest, your virtue signaling ain't helping anybody, dude.
Speaker BYou're just adding more noise, furthering the agenda of taking us off of what was supposed to keep our focus in the first place.
Speaker BThat's protecting home base.
Speaker AAnd it's really, but it's, it's also really hard for people because I know that there are some people out there with the purest and most genuine of hearts.
Speaker A100 they, they mean, they mean well by it, right?
Speaker BThey're.
Speaker AThey don't know.
Speaker BWeaponized and radicalized.
Speaker BThey don't know without even seeing it.
Speaker AThey don't know it.
Speaker BAnd that's a terrible thing to see is if you see people, you know, care, have big hearts and want to help, they don't know how and they're being manipulated by other people to get, to appeal to those instincts, to get them outraged, to get them so focused on their outrage, on their extremeness that they're forgetting all the other stuff that is still a problem.
Speaker BRight?
Speaker AI, I've said this before, I'll say it again.
Speaker AThe system's working effectively.
Speaker BAnd, and again there are.
Speaker BAnd Joe Rogan covers this and I know it sounds crazy because Jorgen's in a bunch of conspiracies and I'm not going to advocate one way or the other.
Speaker BBut what I will say is there are known studies from China, from Russia, where people talked about getting into the US and having this culture war be created.
Speaker BIt originally started by, quote, manipulating the youth by teachers, pre social media, getting people in there to give the youth different perspective.
Speaker BAnd this different perspective led to things that were very extreme ideals this extreme liberalism, for example.
Speaker BAnd again, I'm not advocating one way or the other, but that was a known political warfare, like, strategy.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BAnd you.
Speaker BIf so much of the Internet is now bots and fake and social media is bots and fake, you would be lying to yourself not to consider and pause and consider the rhetoric of what you're seeing on these platforms as being weaponized to you.
Speaker BBecause I guarantee you a lot of what you're seeing, a lot of what you're seeing, you're taking at face value, and you're not going, why am I seeing this?
Speaker AI know.
Speaker AAnd that's.
Speaker ASo when I'm.
Speaker AAnd that.
Speaker AThat was to my point.
Speaker AOr I. I was saying about when I'm on Instagram or I'm on YouTube and you know the.
Speaker AI rarely go to the.
Speaker AThe for you pages.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AI'm like, bro, I know what's for me.
Speaker AI don't need you to tell me what's for me.
Speaker AI'm not gonna.
Speaker AI don't want to just, like, fall into something new.
Speaker ABecause you told me if I get a referral from a friend, like, hey, check this out.
Speaker AOkay, I'll check that out.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker ABut I don't need you out, Mr. Algae Rhythm, letting me know that's a space jam reference.
Speaker AThe better one.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BThere's only one.
Speaker BIt's got bug bunny in it.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker ABut I'm always.
Speaker AI'm always curious.
Speaker ALike, I've always had this thought of, did I make this decision on my own?
Speaker AWhere did I come up with this decision to buy this product or to do this thing?
Speaker BI looked at phone cases because my phone cases, like, yeah, for those of you who are driving, you can't see it.
Speaker BThis is my phone case.
Speaker BI want you to say hi to my phone case.
Speaker BIt's such a great phone case.
Speaker BWatch this.
Speaker BIt just falls right out that from Apple, bro.
Speaker BIt just.
Speaker BI've been walking around it.
Speaker BThis is like a time bomb waiting to go off.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BStay in there.
Speaker BYeah, yeah.
Speaker AYou know, you make these decisions every day, and you're like, why did I make this?
Speaker AIt was a convenience.
Speaker BMy algorithm.
Speaker BAll phone cases now.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BIt's the only thing I see.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AI told you about this.
Speaker ASo, like, with everything going on in the market and everything that's going on, like, personally.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker AI told you.
Speaker AWe were having this conversation right before the show.
Speaker AI was on Instagram right before we get on, and there was an ad for a new hat.
Speaker AEveryone knows, like, I love black hats, right?
Speaker AAnd it.
Speaker AAll it said was Overthinking on the, on the hat.
Speaker AI was like, this hat was made for me.
Speaker AHow did the algorithm.
Speaker BYour impulse to buy it was strong.
Speaker ABut hold on, it's not.
Speaker AIt was a new era hat.
Speaker ALike, how.
Speaker AThat was the first one that it showed.
Speaker AThe next one was like, LA, NY.
Speaker ABut the first one to show was overthinking.
Speaker AI'm like, how you.
Speaker AHow you know that was for me.
Speaker BThis was right before we listened to Adam from Mind Pump.
Speaker BMind Pump.
Speaker BMind Pump.
Speaker BSay that he spits on toilet seats to clean them.
Speaker BYou were giving me, hey, Jackie, I know you're listening, girl.
Speaker BHey, talk to your boy.
Speaker BHey.
Speaker BI was getting beef for saying that I sit on that wax paper.
Speaker BAss gaskets are useless.
Speaker ABut he.
Speaker AThe, the argument there for them was like, wait, you're gonna touch the door handle, but you're gonna use a.
Speaker AWhat do you call it?
Speaker BSo not only does Saeed only pee sitting down at his home and never pees anywhere else.
Speaker BYeah, but he never touches door handles.
Speaker AI'm the guy that washes his hands, right?
Speaker AAnd then I go take the paper towel and then I, I.
Speaker AAnd then I wipe my hands.
Speaker BSo.
Speaker ABut to be respectful of everybody else, I'll throw that one away.
Speaker AI'll get a brand.
Speaker AA brand new clean one.
Speaker AI'll go to the door, I'll open the door, and I'll kobe it into the trash can.
Speaker BIf I, I do something and I can't.
Speaker BIf I can't throw, like the towel away by the door while I'm going, I'll take it with me somewhere.
Speaker AOh, yeah, But I'll go.
Speaker AIf it's like, even if it's far away and there's.
Speaker AIt's not like a cylinder, right?
Speaker AI got to shoot it through.
Speaker AThrough a hole.
Speaker AI'm still drunk.
Speaker AI'm going to go copy it.
Speaker BNobody from, from this office building that I'm aware of listens to the show, but there's a couple dudes who do not wash their hands when they leave.
Speaker AThat's terrible.
Speaker BI'm telling you right now, bro, don't touch that handle.
Speaker ANo, don't do that.
Speaker BI know, that's terrible.
Speaker AAnd the whole argument of, like, I'm clean, I'm a clean person.
Speaker AWhat?
Speaker AWell, you shake my hand like, what's the difference?
Speaker AI'm like, don't do that.
Speaker AThat's.
Speaker BSo is Magic Johnson too soon?
Speaker AThe most, the most dangerous mosquitoes when they leave Magic Johnson.
Speaker BAll right, hard pivot.
Speaker BStarbucks jumps after us.
Speaker BSales rise for the first time in two years.
Speaker BMr. Nickel.
Speaker BHe's got a plan that's working over there.
Speaker BAnd I read an interesting fact I thought I wanted to share.
Speaker BHe was getting an allowance for250,000 a year for private.
Speaker BPrivate jet travel to their corporate headquarters, which is in Seattle.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BAnd he lives in Newport.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BDown here with us.
Speaker BYeah, yeah, with us.
Speaker ANot me, bro.
Speaker BThe poor people.
Speaker AThat's your side of Orange county, bro.
Speaker AI'm on the poor side of Orange County.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BAnd the palazzos.
Speaker BHow many orange groves do you have around your house?
Speaker BI'm inland.
Speaker AI am inland.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BWhere the orange groves are.
Speaker BOh, yeah, I get it.
Speaker BOh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker BIt smells like citrus when you wake up in the morning.
Speaker BNo, just breathe that in.
Speaker BYou don't have to squeeze juice just right there.
Speaker BYeah, yeah.
Speaker BWhat's your housekeeper's name again?
Speaker AOh, I don't got one of those.
Speaker BI'm sorry, what was it?
Speaker BPerson who takes care of the house.
Speaker BI don't remember.
Speaker BThe proper vernacular is here if you want to help us out.
Speaker BGroundskeeper.
Speaker AGroundskeeper.
Speaker AThe housemaid.
Speaker BNo.
Speaker AYeah, which, by the way, I saw the movie the Housemaid.
Speaker AHave you seen that?
Speaker BWhy would I see that?
Speaker AWhat do you mean?
Speaker AWhy would you say.
Speaker BWho's in the movie?
Speaker AIt's some actress that's super pop, but it's off a book that was like viral and like everyone's.
Speaker AEveryone's read it.
Speaker BNot gonna do it.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AThat's wild.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BAnyway, so Mr. Nicole over at Starbucks just got unlimited private jet travel because Starbucks is requiring unlimited only travel privately moving forward because of, quote, security risks.
Speaker AI mean, you could, you could touch on that a little bit.
Speaker ARight?
Speaker AI mean, look, like, isn't it true?
Speaker AIt's kind of like the.
Speaker AThe President of the United States and the Vice President can never fly on the same plane.
Speaker BRight?
Speaker BYeah, that's.
Speaker BThat's just so I.
Speaker BSecurity reasons.
Speaker BI had the same problem with, with my.
Speaker BWith my travel when I was at the bank.
Speaker BRight, yeah.
Speaker BWe're publicly traded company.
Speaker BYou can't have all your executives on one flight.
Speaker BIt makes sense.
Speaker BDown the company suffers.
Speaker BSo you gotta space them out.
Speaker BThat I get.
Speaker BBut just saying, bro, you can't drive, you can't fly public anymore.
Speaker BYou're too special to us.
Speaker BWhat?
Speaker AYou're too good.
Speaker AGod, how good is this guy?
Speaker BThey just had sales increase for the first time in two years.
Speaker AAnd he's good looking too.
Speaker BStop it.
Speaker AHe's a good looking dude.
Speaker BWhat's wrong with you?
Speaker ACome on, he's a stud.
Speaker BNo, he's not.
Speaker BAbsolutely not.
Speaker BDisagree.
Speaker BClearly we have different types of men, bro.
Speaker ACome on.
Speaker AHe looks rich.
Speaker AI look at rich.
Speaker ATo me, looks good.
Speaker BStarbucks.
Speaker BBrian Nicole.
Speaker AAnd he spells it against.
Speaker BCome on.
Speaker BThat is not a good looking dude, bro.
Speaker ALook at his jawline.
Speaker ACome on.
Speaker AAre you kidding me?
Speaker AGuy's a stud.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker ANo, Andy, I think I like him.
Speaker AI think I like him because isn't he the former?
Speaker BDoesn't that.
Speaker BThat looks very caveman.
Speaker AIs he the bro?
Speaker AIs he?
Speaker AIs he.
Speaker AIsn't he the former Chipotle guy?
Speaker AMaybe that's why I like.
Speaker AThat's why I like him.
Speaker BI'm a Chipotle.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BI look, I don't.
Speaker BI.
Speaker AYou don't strike me as eating Chipotle anymore.
Speaker BHuh?
Speaker BYou know, sodium's too high.
Speaker BI always get like swollen up afterward.
Speaker AIt's okay.
Speaker BAnd then I gotta, you know, spit on toilet seats like Adam.
Speaker BAnd it's the whole problem.
Speaker AAdam, what's going on?
Speaker ASexy Adam?
Speaker BYou know you made it when you got a Wikipedia page.
Speaker BBrian Arnicle, born 1970.
Speaker BHe's six years older than me.
Speaker AHe's six years older than me.
Speaker AHonestly.
Speaker AYeah, that's not.
Speaker AThat's not a flattering photo.
Speaker BThat dude's 51.
Speaker AThat's a terrible photo of him.
Speaker BHe's 51.
Speaker ADamn.
Speaker AThat's occupation.
Speaker BHe looks like 80.
Speaker ACEO.
Speaker AI will say this.
Speaker AI will say this.
Speaker AHow on I have mentioned this before, I've started noticing.
Speaker ANever in my life have I ever seen a Starbucks ad.
Speaker AI'm starting to see Starbucks ads.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AI feel like sales were down.
Speaker ASales were down for a while and they had to start because, you know, some companies just.
Speaker AThey don't need to market themselves.
Speaker AYou already know we're on every corner, but now I bet you.
Speaker AI think sales have been down for quite some time.
Speaker AProbably for a number of different reasons.
Speaker BFor us, what it takes to make it in corporate America.
Speaker BYou got to look like this, dude.
Speaker BIs that what it is?
Speaker BIs my mullet not good enough?
Speaker AYou got to play the part, bro.
Speaker AYou got to play the part.
Speaker AThat's what they want.
Speaker AThey want someone.
Speaker AThey want someone who's polished.
Speaker AAnd that Paul and being that polish has a price tag.
Speaker BI'm polished.
Speaker ANot that polished.
Speaker BStop it.
Speaker BSexy.
Speaker AI need to see a picture of a CEO that has a beard like.
Speaker ALike you do.
Speaker BI'm sure there's none of them.
Speaker ANone of them?
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AWhy?
Speaker AYou know, why is that?
Speaker ABecause you can't have a sense of style.
Speaker BGuys with beards are more attractive and thus Untrustworthy.
Speaker AWe don't know what this guy's gonna do.
Speaker BYou don't know what you're doing over here.
Speaker BAll right.
Speaker BRental concessions are on the rise in America's Sunbelt cities.
Speaker BThis makes sense.
Speaker BThis is where you've seen the most real estate value corrections and a lot of housing supply come online.
Speaker BThe struggle to find affordable apartments is tormenting renters in major cities across the country.
Speaker BBut not in Phoenix, the US capital of free rent.
Speaker BShout out to Phoenix.
Speaker AFree rent.
Speaker BAbout 54% of rentals in the metro area are giving tenants at least one month off their rent, the highest percentage of anywhere else in the country, according to October data from listings website Apartment List.
Speaker BThe discounts can range from one month to more than three months.
Speaker BAnd that doesn't count the other perks that landlords give out to attract tenants.
Speaker BAmazon gift cards, discounted sports tickets and free moving trucks.
Speaker BThe renter friendly environment in Phoenix is a symptom of the city's enormous glut of high end apartments.
Speaker BBecause we saw all those high end apartment units being delivered to the markets, everybody thought they were gonna get these crazy above market rents.
Speaker BWell, not so much.
Speaker BYeah, just like the home builders giving away concessions in order to get you in owner, you know, buying purchase concessions, buying down your rate, giving you higher end appliances.
Speaker BYeah, stuff like that.
Speaker BWell, the apartments are doing these same areas and metros are doing it.
Speaker BWe were warned about the Sun Belt region last year in the middle of the year.
Speaker BAnd certainly you're seeing this as a result of it, the apartment rentals here.
Speaker AI mean, I mean if we're, if we're going to talk about like the home affordability crisis and we, we say this problem needs to be a combination of three things.
Speaker AI think we need to start, we need to start adding a fourth thing.
Speaker BWhat's that?
Speaker ASo we know mortgage rates need to come down, wages need to go up and values need to come down a little bit.
Speaker AAll, all in, you know, conjunction together in some very, some form or another, working together to ultimately help fix this problem.
Speaker AAnd we know that's not gonna happen, right?
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AI mean, I think you said on the Live Today, how come nobody's talking about people needing to be making more money?
Speaker BYeah, because nobody wants to impact people's wages.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker ASo the fourth thing that needs to start getting adopted more is you need to allow for more remote work.
Speaker AMore remote work.
Speaker BThat's the, that trends going the opposite way.
Speaker AAnd it's going.
Speaker AAnd another thing going the opposite way.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ALike, okay, I cannot Afford to live here.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BJane.
Speaker BJane Fraser.
Speaker ASo allow me to buy.
Speaker AYeah, right.
Speaker AAllow me to buy a home somewhere else where I have already proven that I can do the job.
Speaker BThe numbers came out today.
Speaker BWhat is the one state in the country that had the most influx of new people to its population?
Speaker ATexas.
Speaker BNo.
Speaker BNice guess, but during the pandemic, sure.
Speaker BTexas, Florida high.
Speaker BSouth Carolina.
Speaker AOh really?
Speaker BSouth Carolina had like a 12 gain.
Speaker BIt was insane.
Speaker BAnd I get it.
Speaker BI get it's been, it's been a pretty big exodus, dude.
Speaker BMy.
Speaker AMy sister's over in North Carolina and she sent me photos of like the snowstorm.
Speaker AShe was, she.
Speaker AShe had to tell me all the things she had to do.
Speaker ALike things that like I never even considered.
Speaker BOn the hatches.
Speaker AYeah, you have to like drip your faucets.
Speaker ALike that was like I never even.
Speaker BThought of that water going away.
Speaker BThe freezer.
Speaker AYeah, otherwise.
Speaker AOtherwise it freezes over.
Speaker AAnd they had like wood burning like fireplace that they had to make sure they had ample firewood.
Speaker AI'm like, God dang.
Speaker BAnd it's a problem.
Speaker BSo developers flooded the Sunbelt with new luxury buildings in flashy amenities during the pandemic years when droves of remote workers were moving in to Sides Point.
Speaker BThat led to a record surge of new apartments hitting the market.
Speaker BNow there aren't enough renters to.
Speaker BTo fill them.
Speaker BPlaces like Denver and Charlotte, North Carolina are similarly over supplied.
Speaker BAnd more than half of their rental properties are also being offered at least one month free of rent, according to apartment list.
Speaker BIt is a contrast to the housing scarce coastal cities like New York and Los Angeles where renters endure cutthroat apartment hunts to find a place to live.
Speaker BThis of course from the Wall Street Journal vis a vis Instagram.
Speaker BI've got only got a few more tonight, kids.
Speaker BIt's been a long trip, but one of my favorite ones of the night.
Speaker BSaeed's already seen the headline here.
Speaker BWhy aren't you clicking?
Speaker BClick, you son of a.
Speaker BOkay, you know what?
Speaker BSometimes you gotta accept the world that you got right.
Speaker AThat's what Jamie Dabson said.
Speaker BJamie Dimon said.
Speaker BSo what we're gonna do is we're gonna old school it.
Speaker BThere you go.
Speaker BThe Inverse Kramer fund launched three years ago.
Speaker BHere's how it's doing.
Speaker AOkay, this is fun.
Speaker BAre you ready?
Speaker ASo explain to people what the Inverse Kramer fund is for those that don't know, and hopefully you do know.
Speaker ABut we get.
Speaker AWe get new listeners.
Speaker AWe get new listeners.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BSo you've heard of the inverse Kramer tracker?
Speaker BThis is how it's doing.
Speaker BIn January 2023, investors noticed something interesting.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker BWhen Jim Cramer hated a stock, it often ripped.
Speaker BWhen he loved it, it lagged.
Speaker BSo the inverse Kramer portfolio was launched on autopilot.
Speaker BIt simply does the opposite.
Speaker BMicron mu was added after Kramer said he was waiting for it to come back down.
Speaker BIt never did.
Speaker BIntel intc, if you're following stocks, was added after he highlighted a multi billion dollar loss.
Speaker BSoon after, the US government took a 10% stake and the partnerships followed.
Speaker AThat's wild.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BCaterpillar was added.
Speaker BWhen he told viewers to wait.
Speaker BThe stock surged on AI demand and government contracts.
Speaker ASo I don't think people actually realize that the US government can actually take ownership in stocks.
Speaker AYeah, like they don't.
Speaker BLike.
Speaker AI think they have a huge like portion of intel too.
Speaker ARight?
Speaker BThat's what this.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BOh yeah.
Speaker B10% stake.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BOh, and you know who knew about that in advance?
Speaker BNot Jim Cramer, Nancy Pelosi.
Speaker BYeah, UPS was added after Jim Cramer said he didn't like it because of the dividend.
Speaker BIt's up 23.5% since UnitedHealth was added after he called it a tragedy.
Speaker BIt's been recovering as institutions like Berkshire Hathaway and Michael Burry stepped in.
Speaker BIt did have a bad day today.
Speaker BAnecdotally, people warned to invest in the opposite of Jim Cramer.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker BThey wanted to, so they, they built it.
Speaker BAnd the best part is you can follow it directly through your own auto, your own brokerage account.
Speaker BOnly on autopilot, of course.
Speaker BIt's a, it's a sale.
Speaker BBut let's go through, through this numbers here.
Speaker BYeah, yeah.
Speaker ALet's see.
Speaker AIn January of 2023, the inverse Kramer fund was launched on autopilot after noticing that the Mad Money host did not usually have successful stock tips.
Speaker AThis portfolio does the opposite of what Kramer recommends.
Speaker AIt buys what he hates and sells.
Speaker BWhat he loves, up 177.6%.
Speaker ASo either he either.
Speaker AIt's one of two things.
Speaker AEither he's in on it and he's laughing like in the back, or I.
Speaker BHave a theory in this or all.
Speaker AOf his boys are roasting him.
Speaker BSo Micron up 229%.
Speaker BIntel up 174.5%.
Speaker BCaterpillar up 59.2%, UPS up 23.5% and UnitedHealth up.
Speaker BHold on, hold on.
Speaker AThis is only referencing the stocks that have gone up after he said to get out.
Speaker AThere have been plenty that have gone the opposite way that he said to get into.
Speaker BI Believe Jim Cramer is the biggest intentional, like, mole troll.
Speaker BThat's right.
Speaker BMole troll.
Speaker BNew words here.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BI think he's the biggest troll on the Internet.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BI think he's the biggest troll in the media.
Speaker BAnd I think he's been playing this game for so long, it's just now like an inside story.
Speaker BEverybody knows it.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BAnd if you listen to.
Speaker BHave you ever listened to a show?
Speaker AI used to back in, like in high school.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker BSo I'm an idiot.
Speaker AAnd I used to like, I.
Speaker AThat's how I first got into this song.
Speaker AWhen he was talking.
Speaker AI'm like, man, this guy is way too passionate about this.
Speaker AIt's not that serious.
Speaker BWell, honestly, it's kind of like what I sound like.
Speaker BNo, at least he's talking to people.
Speaker BI'm talking to myself most time.
Speaker BAre you.
Speaker AHe looks like he hasn't aged.
Speaker BYeah, I mean, he's always looked old.
Speaker BKind of like Brian Nicole.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BThat dude turns 70, you'd be like, he looks exactly the same.
Speaker BI am very much a hater right now.
Speaker BI fully appreciate.
Speaker AI feel like he's gotten some work done too.
Speaker BYeah, I'm sure he has.
Speaker BAnd yet you think he's attractive, which is a questionable source.
Speaker ADude.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BI like my man to be a little more olive.
Speaker AThe synthetic version I like.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BIn any event, yeah, I think he's a.
Speaker BHe's a big time troll.
Speaker BBut if you listen to his show, it's usually older sounding people who call into a show.
Speaker BIt's a very different aging demographic.
Speaker AI'll say.
Speaker AMy uncle's the one that got me into.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BSo I think that demographic is very much outdated.
Speaker BJust one more article today.
Speaker BThis link doesn't work either.
Speaker BI hate you.
Speaker AApple Studio share of the domestic box office.
Speaker BYeah, this was interesting.
Speaker BYeah, I love that for you.
Speaker AI love that for you.
Speaker BStudio share.
Speaker BThe domestic box office we got Disney.
Speaker B20th Century Searchlight owned 28% of the the tickets full year ticket sales.
Speaker BUnited States and Canada rose about 4% from 2024 to $9.05 billion.
Speaker BDisney accounted for the highest share of that haul with 2.49 billion in ticket sales, or 27.5% according to data from.
Speaker BCom Score.
Speaker BNever heard of.
Speaker BIts closest competitors were Warner Brothers discovery, which tallied 1.9 billion.
Speaker BA very, very big drop off.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BDomestically or 21.
Speaker BAnd Universal, which took about 1.7 billion or 19.7.
Speaker BTogether, these three studios accounted for nearly 70% of the domestic domestic box office market share.
Speaker BSo when you think about it, in the perspective of what's happening here, all these other four, like a 24, I think, is Brad Pitt, Lionsgate, 3%, 4%, Paramount 6%, Sony 7%, Universal Focus.
Speaker BUniversal Focus 20, Disney 28, Warner Brothers, 21.
Speaker BThere are very few studios left.
Speaker AI know.
Speaker AAnd that's sad.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ABecause studios tend to have their own way of doing things and producing their own content, their own kind of way.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker AAnd if there's fewer studios, then less room for creativity.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ASo they're going to have.
Speaker AYeah, I'm.
Speaker AI'm not a fan.
Speaker ANot a fan.
Speaker BNeither am I, but I thought it was interesting to share that.
Speaker BI didn't.
Speaker BDisney, it goes to show you.
Speaker BAnd this.
Speaker BYou see this prevalent on YouTube, too.
Speaker BPandering to children gets you the most income.
Speaker AYeah, of course.
Speaker ABecause parents just want to keep their kids occupied.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BSo from now on, we're going to have a coloring book companion to the higher standard.
Speaker AYeah, that's good.
Speaker BYeah, I'm out here.
Speaker AYeah, I would love.
Speaker AI would love to get.
Speaker ATo get to the point, and I don't want to rip it off.
Speaker AOne of our listeners.
Speaker AOne of our listeners actually got inspired by us, like, back in the day.
Speaker BThat's not good.
Speaker AAnd was working on creating a series of children's books for, like, financial literacy.
Speaker BOh, really?
Speaker BDo you remember that?
Speaker BYeah, I do.
Speaker BWhatever.
Speaker AI think.
Speaker AWas it Ross?
Speaker AI want to say it was Ross.
Speaker AShout out to him if it wasn't.
Speaker AIf it wasn't.
Speaker AYou still.
Speaker AShout out to you, by the way, bro, what's up?
Speaker BSorry.
Speaker ASorry for whoever it was that did, but I was like, that'd be awesome if we.
Speaker AIf we could do that.
Speaker AIf we just need more time.
Speaker BThere's no time.
Speaker AThere's so many ideas.
Speaker BThere's no time.
Speaker BBetween the hedge fund stuff that I'm trying to put together right now, the.
Speaker AHedge fund stuff, and.
Speaker AAnd the charts, man, those are.
Speaker AThose are if.
Speaker AIf you haven't done yourself the favor or if you haven't been afforded the time to check out the lives.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AI think shout out to Regil, who said that we're gonna do breakdown videos of each of these charts.
Speaker BRight?
Speaker BYeah, they kind of.
Speaker BThey kind of necessitate it, but ultimately.
Speaker BSo I'm going to do this now because it doesn't really matter at this point, but we own the trademark, the higher standard.
Speaker ABang, bang.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BAnd we own it for categories, for the word mark, which is a normalized way of doing this.
Speaker BEntertainment, podcasts, finance, leadership.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BThere are some people out there who have A similar trademark, but very different.
Speaker BThere's a particular girl who we've gotten and we've had discussions with and filed cease and desist letters against.
Speaker BShe has it for fitness in coaching.
Speaker BBut we certainly filed cease and desist letters, protect our intellectual property with her because she was bleeding into our space with a podcast called the Higher Standard.
Speaker ANot that we were against anything that she was doing or what I was just.
Speaker AIt's.
Speaker AIt like, like you said, it bleeds into our space.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BAnd.
Speaker BAnd under trademark law, there is a legal requirement for us to defend our intellectual property or use.
Speaker BLose the rights to do so against other people who may violate it in the future.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AThink about like, like almost like a statute of limitations.
Speaker BThat's right.
Speaker BSo you want to develop a pattern in practice of aggressively defending your intellectual property.
Speaker BWell, there is somebody who owns the Higher standard dot com.
Speaker AThat's why if you had trouble finding us online, if you just went to search the Higher Standard.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker AThen I guess it takes you to like a blank page.
Speaker BNow it does.
Speaker BHe took the website down in response to our cnd, our cease and desist and then subsequent we have a claim in with the world intellectual property organization wipo and said werp.
Speaker BYeah, it says there's a lot of complex up there.
Speaker BSo we're going to, we're going to see how that plays out.
Speaker BAnd I don't want to talk too much about it, but suffice it to say that I strongly feel that we should win that.
Speaker BBut other than that, what I will say is at some point we're going to be redoing our websites, whether that comes under the fold or not.
Speaker BAnd we're going to have pages allocated towards explaining what these models do.
Speaker BAnd even myself who's developed these with Vibe coding, if you will.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BSo, you know, I just learned that.
Speaker AWords out of the revive and vibing with the code.
Speaker BWe've been Vibe coding a lot lately, but doing that has allowed us the ability to put out what I think are really institutional grade charts and a show that does look different than anything else on YouTube, for example.
Speaker AAnd the goal is for everyone to fully understand what these charts represent and all the data that's being presented within the charts.
Speaker ABut and also ultimately once you do, and hopefully we've been successful at teaching those things that you can rely on, you know, the scorecard that it gives you on.
Speaker AOn where these, where these things fall into.
Speaker BSo right now I'm very, very, very confident in some of all the static.
Speaker BThis is what the market is Saying cards.
Speaker BWe have the synthetic volatility index, we have market liquidity, we have affordability index, we've got the market status in general.
Speaker BI'm very, very comfortable with how that proprietary algorithm set works.
Speaker BIt's a static shock at the market.
Speaker BAnd I can look at and go, okay, this is what the market is right now.
Speaker BYes.
Speaker BIt doesn't mean 10 years ago or yesterday or tomorrow, but that means right now that is always going.
Speaker BThe intent was always to serve as the backbone for what will be a market conditions based recommendations on stock.
Speaker BNow, I'm not saying to buy stock or not buy stock, but if you said, hey Chris, is Tesla a good buy right now?
Speaker BYes.
Speaker BWe can look at those market statistics and that data, pull those indices and their corresponding regimes and results back out and put it in here and look at the trade activity of that stock.
Speaker BLook at the market conditions, the macro calendar, the events that we've labeled important.
Speaker BAnd from a proprietary algorithm that we have built over months and hours of work, it'll tell us whether you should be looking at that stock.
Speaker BTo buy stock, hold money in cash or buy options.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker ALike is it a good value?
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BIs it a good short, near or long term hold or even intraday hold?
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AAnd the other charts will showcase where the capital across the market is flowing.
Speaker ASo you can further understand whether, you know, if the capital's flowing in one direction, is this stock going to benefit off that?
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BSo in theory, we, we test this out a little bit and what, what we're doing is, and I want to be clear here, we're not creating a hedge fund, at least not as of yet.
Speaker BAnd a hedge fund is taking the.
Speaker ALeaving the option open.
Speaker BYeah, leaving the option open.
Speaker BGot to do that.
Speaker BIs taking other people's money to invest.
Speaker BWhat I'd like to be able to do is once we feel comfortable enough with this and we've tested with everybody else and the shows are really a date down of this, take a sum of money, probably about 10 grand, and start investing using the same logic, openly and clearly.
Speaker BNot saying, hey, you should invest in.
Speaker AThis, but say, this is what we're.
Speaker BDoing, this is what we're doing.
Speaker BThis is how we're tracking it and making decisions and seeing if it works.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BAnd if it does work, that is the same analytical framework with their own proprietary algorithms that hedge funds do use.
Speaker BHence the hedge fund based analytics that we're talking about here.
Speaker BI don't know that it'll work, but it's an exercise in giving people access into these Black boxes that they hear a lot about.
Speaker BYou hear about Bridgewater, hear about all these people?
Speaker BWell, we're going to build something that effectively will allow them to see into how those things work.
Speaker BYes.
Speaker BAnd allow them to trade, if they want to, with the same degree of intellectual insight.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AAnd we're going to remain squarely focused on serving the.
Speaker AThe American peoples and just continue to remain data dependent and take this meeting by meeting and we'll go from there.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BWe gotta follow Bang Bang, Omar.
Speaker AWe gotta follow in JP's.
Speaker AHey, it works for JP.
Speaker AIt's gonna be fine.
Speaker AI really, really want to know, like, is he.
Speaker AIs he gonna say, you know, I'm old, I'm done, I'm.
Speaker AThis is getting too much for me.
Speaker AI don't even want to sit at the table anymore.
Speaker AOr is he like, no, man, I want to piss you off and I'm gonna sit on this seat?
Speaker BI don't think he looks at it that way.
Speaker BI think he looks at it as he has a fiduciary responsibility to the American people to ensure that the institution is preserved.
Speaker BHe's a boring man.
Speaker ANo, come on.
Speaker AYou could tell he's bothered, bro.
Speaker AThere was a lot of.
Speaker AA lot of throat clearing.
Speaker AThere's a lot of.
Speaker AThere was a lot of throat clearing.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BHe has an extra skin.
Speaker AFold it because.
Speaker BLeans over the top of his tie.
Speaker AHe doesn't.
Speaker BHe doesn't.
Speaker AHe.
Speaker AYou what?
Speaker AHe doesn't.
Speaker AHe doesn't clear his throat when he's given the postgame press conference, but he did when he.
Speaker AWhen he addressed that.
Speaker AThat lawsuit.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BAnd like, he's got mannerism, he's got tells.
Speaker BHe's.
Speaker BHe's definitely not a poker player.
Speaker BBut what I will say is, look, he has tried to the extent that he can, to keep it professional.
Speaker AOh, he gets.
Speaker AHe should get all the credit in the world for that.
Speaker AYeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker AKudos to him.
Speaker AI invite him on the show one day whenever the seat is open for you next to me.
Speaker BListen, Bang, bang, side.
Speaker BAnd I want to.
Speaker BOh, I have a revelation today.
Speaker AHow does it feel that Kashkari has a vote now?
Speaker AHow does that feel?
Speaker AI want to know.
Speaker ATake me through that.
Speaker BHe gets crayons, right?
Speaker AIs he checking the box of crayons?
Speaker BDavid Kelly.
Speaker BTwo first names.
Speaker BI now realize your frustration.
Speaker BEverybody kept calling him Kelly.
Speaker BLike, no, no, no, no, dog.
Speaker BNot the first name.
Speaker AYeah, right.
Speaker BA first name, but not the first name.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AYou know, I'm always like that too.
Speaker BWhen people put some respect on my.
Speaker AName, I Know a lot.
Speaker AThis happens to me all the time.
Speaker AIt's like, okay, it was cool.
Speaker AWhen you're in youth sports and they.
Speaker AThey call you by your last name.
Speaker BHey, Omar.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AHey, Omar.
Speaker ACome on, let's go.
Speaker APick it up.
Speaker ARight?
Speaker ABut now, like, in the corporate world, and they're like, hello, good afternoon, Omar.
Speaker AI'm like, I so badly want to respond by using their last name and be like, hey, is that what I thought that's what we were doing.
Speaker BHey, Shibilski.
Speaker ASo many names I want to reference.
Speaker AI can't.
Speaker BReference.
Speaker BYeah, you can't do it.
Speaker BYou gotta pick a nice Anglo name.
Speaker BYeah, yeah, yeah, I get it.
Speaker BYeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker AI had.
Speaker AI was on the.
Speaker AI was on the phone the other day with an attorney and.
Speaker AAnd he.
Speaker AHe ref.
Speaker AHe caught.
Speaker AHe was one of the people that called me about, Omar, nice to get a hold of you.
Speaker AAnd I was like, oh, my name's Saeed.
Speaker AHe's like, oh, two first names.
Speaker AI was like, it's actually three.
Speaker AIt's very complicated.
Speaker AMiddle names are first name, too.
Speaker AHe's like, well, I'm an attorney.
Speaker AI can get that fixed for you if you ever want it.
Speaker BSmart.
Speaker BSounds like an attorney needs some money.
Speaker BIt'll be $10,000.
Speaker BSay, Omar.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AI'm in the process of changing your name.
Speaker ANo, trying to get family Trust situated.
Speaker BYeah, you should.
Speaker BYeah, yeah, I've got one.
Speaker BI need to redo it.
Speaker BActually need to look at it again.
Speaker AThat's the thing.
Speaker AAnd that's.
Speaker AThat's an episode that we.
Speaker AWe need to do every one of the four months.
Speaker AOne of the hundreds of Evergreen content that we need to create is, you know, questions that you should be asking someone who is helping you create the trust.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AWell, I mean, just revocable trust in.
Speaker AIn general.
Speaker ALike, family trust in general.
Speaker ALiving trust in general.
Speaker ABut also, like, because when I was having this conversation with how my wife, I was just letting her know, like, look, this is what the process is going to be.
Speaker BThere's some tough conversations in the.
Speaker BIn those conversations.
Speaker BA good one.
Speaker ALike, a good one should.
Speaker AIt should take you some time because they're going to provide you with questions.
Speaker AYou have to go back, you go revisit.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BWho's going to take care of your kids?
Speaker AI mean, that's a big one, right?
Speaker BIf you both die at the same time.
Speaker BQuestion.
Speaker BIf you each die individually, what happened?
Speaker BI mean, these are.
Speaker AYou die.
Speaker BThese are grim discussions, man.
Speaker AIf you die and your kid is at this age, what's going to happen, like, what's going to happen?
Speaker AOr if you die and they're an adult, when do they start to get through?
Speaker BWho do you trust?
Speaker BTake care of your kids if you die tomorrow, I mean, it's.
Speaker AWho's going to be the trustee?
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BAnd it's dark stuff.
Speaker BAnd, man, I.
Speaker BWhen I first did the trust, it was before our son was born.
Speaker BAnd then after our son was born, I had to redo a lot of it, and I have to redo it again now that he's six.
Speaker BBut it's supposed to be.
Speaker BIt's a good practice.
Speaker BDo it annually.
Speaker BI don't do it annually.
Speaker BI'm not gonna be.
Speaker BI'm not gonna lie to you.
Speaker BBut the more your kids develop personalities and you see them, like, do things and live, like, you think, you start thinking through the logistics of, like, my sister lives in Oklahoma.
Speaker BLike, would my son go live with her?
Speaker BRight, right.
Speaker BLike.
Speaker BOr, you know, like, you start thinking, like, things through and be like, how would that uproot his life?
Speaker BAnd, yeah, I'm just using this.
Speaker BYou have to, though.
Speaker ABut you have to.
Speaker BYou have to have these conversations in the dark, man.
Speaker BAnd then you got to talk to the people.
Speaker BYou can't just name people in your trust that you haven't spoken to.
Speaker ANo.
Speaker AYeah, yeah.
Speaker AYou got to put them on notice.
Speaker ALike, hey, you.
Speaker AAre you cool with this?
Speaker ABut part of me also just have.
Speaker AStart beginning to have these conversations with my wife.
Speaker AFeels like I'm old.
Speaker AYes.
Speaker AOld for sure.
Speaker ABut prepare.
Speaker ALike, I'm.
Speaker AI think as I continue to get older, the stress of that portion will slowly dwindle away because you feel like, although it's never going to be perfect, I've started to prep and prepare, so God forbid, if something were to happen, things should be okay.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BBut then I fall into the trap of, like, every time I get on a plane, I'm like, okay, is.
Speaker BWhat do I need to update?
Speaker BShould I write something down on a piece of paper?
Speaker BShould I send an email right now?
Speaker AYou think like that.
Speaker BOh, yeah.
Speaker AEvery time.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BGeez.
Speaker BThat's every time I get on a plane.
Speaker BAnd every time I get on a plane with my wife and without my son, I freak out.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AMy wife and I talk about that all the time.
Speaker BLike, I don't like flying.
Speaker AWe rarely have time to go on, like, date nights.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ABut when we go on date nights, I'm like, bro, this.
Speaker ALike, this would be.
Speaker AThis would be tragic right now.
Speaker AYou know, on a date night, maybe.
Speaker BYour son's Batman you know, it's just.
Speaker BYeah, but it's.
Speaker BIt's not good, dude.
Speaker BLike, I think I know we went on a flight.
Speaker BMy wife and I took a flight, and it was a flight to Oklahoma City and then back the next morning.
Speaker BI mean, it was a real quick turnaround.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BWe went up there for a birthday and came back.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BAnd the whole time, I'm like.
Speaker BEven that night, I'm like, I can't.
Speaker BLike, I'm just so worried about our son, and I'm not worried about, like, him that night.
Speaker BI'm worried about us getting back and being safe.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AI don't know how much of this has to do with, you know, coming out of the pandemic or just me getting older and just thinking this way naturally.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ABut I get.
Speaker AI ate real, like, anxiety when.
Speaker ALike, when I just said we went to the movies to watch that.
Speaker AThat movie.
Speaker ALike, I had anxiety the entire time, you know?
Speaker ALike, I'm not one to save, like, all my money.
Speaker BI think your anxiety level is different than mine, though.
Speaker BYou have a high anxiety issue.
Speaker BLike, you were.
Speaker BYou were.
Speaker BLet's be.
Speaker BLet's be real.
Speaker AI'm a habitual overthinker.
Speaker BYeah, so am I.
Speaker ABut it's like Charlie Murphy over.
Speaker BYou can't see the light.
Speaker AI can't see the light.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker BYou don't see the light at the ends of tunnels?
Speaker BLike, you just.
Speaker ANo, I see.
Speaker BNo, you get so dark, bro.
Speaker BLike, I hear it in your voice.
Speaker ANo, I'm.
Speaker AI'm doing.
Speaker AI'm doing the whole flowchart, and I'm like, yo, the Oz ain't looking good right now.
Speaker AI'm doing.
Speaker ADoing.
Speaker AI'm doing the whole poker odd calculation.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ABut at some point, this ain't it.
Speaker BLook, I. I don't know.
Speaker BIt's got a God conversation or whatever it is.
Speaker BAt some point, you've got to find a way to have faith.
Speaker AI will say this in the outcome.
Speaker AI have been.
Speaker AI have been more spiritual as of late, I'd say over the last several months.
Speaker AThat has helped a lot for me personally.
Speaker AIt's helped a lot.
Speaker ANow, I'm not saying it's.
Speaker AIt's.
Speaker AIt solves anything, obviously.
Speaker AI mean, that.
Speaker AThat whole process, I think, is.
Speaker AIs very intimate and personal.
Speaker AAnd it's a journey, Right.
Speaker AFor me personally, and especially because I grew up in a household that.
Speaker AThat was not pushed on us at all.
Speaker BNeither was it for me, man, But I spend every day of my life not wanting to be broke again.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ABut for I'M trying to.
Speaker BLike.
Speaker AIt does.
Speaker AAs sad.
Speaker AAs sad as this may be, when you see some of the horrific and tragic things that you see happening all around the world sometimes in your own backyard, right?
Speaker AYou just think, thank God we're healthy.
Speaker AAnd that.
Speaker AThat somehow does make it a little bit easier.
Speaker AObviously, you feel.
Speaker AYou feel for what you see, too.
Speaker ABut you're like, okay, my situation, like, worst case scenario, if I, like, I'm with my.
Speaker AMy people, then I'm good.
Speaker ALike, I should be good.
Speaker ABut we're trying to get.
Speaker BThis is.
Speaker AThis is.
Speaker AThis is not.
Speaker BI.
Speaker AThis isn't solved.
Speaker AThis is a roller coaster.
Speaker BI know.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BI see it with you daily.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AOh, yeah, you see it.
Speaker BI call you every morning.
Speaker AI have an aunt.
Speaker BYeah, you call you every night.
Speaker BYou do.
Speaker AI feel so bad, too.
Speaker BI know.
Speaker AAnd I know it's.
Speaker AI know.
Speaker AIt's more so to check in as a good friend.
Speaker BNo, But I keep hoping one day you won't answer because you'll tell me you hate me.
Speaker AStop talking to me.
Speaker AWhy are you calling me?
Speaker ABut, no, man, like, I have had, like, this, like, continuous, like, right eye twitch that just won't go away.
Speaker BI know.
Speaker BAt least you don't have a style like I do.
Speaker BThank God it's on this side.
Speaker AI've never had a sty.
Speaker BNeither have I.
Speaker AIs it painful?
Speaker BYes.
Speaker ALike what?
Speaker ALike, burning sensation.
Speaker BSo the first night I had it, like, I. I was.
Speaker BI was going to bed and I rubbed my eye because, you know, you put water in your face and you clean your face and you every once while you, like, rub your eyes a little bit.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BAnd the right side felt like.
Speaker BLike a sharp pain, like, right here, like, on the side of my eye.
Speaker AGod.
Speaker BAnd I didn't know it was a sty.
Speaker BI thought maybe I was getting pink eye or something because my son's had that before.
Speaker BI've never had either.
Speaker BAnd so I'm like, all right, well, let me see how I feel in the morning.
Speaker BMaybe it's just like a eyelash.
Speaker BSomething poke.
Speaker BBut it hardly hurt.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BI woke up the next morning, my eyes swollen.
Speaker AWhoa.
Speaker BSo I thought it was pink eye.
Speaker BGo to urgent care.
Speaker BThis I'm the third time in urgent care in, like, a week and a half.
Speaker AThey're like, what's wrong?
Speaker BThey're like, bro, like, stop touching your butthole.
Speaker BLike, stop spitting on toilet seats, dog.
Speaker BSo because I had.
Speaker BI had MRSA in my nose, which is a staph infection.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BThat was a whole problem.
Speaker BI'm still recovering from that.
Speaker BThat was not fun.
Speaker BBut so, yeah, I thought maybe that is a spread.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BYou know, stick your finger, nose in your eyes, whatever.
Speaker BYou know, touch doorknobs at the bathroom here.
Speaker BI know who touched it.
Speaker BI know where that came from.
Speaker ACheck.
Speaker BYeah, yeah, Right.
Speaker BLike that checks, right?
Speaker BSo I go there and like, oh, no, it's.
Speaker BIt's a sty.
Speaker BAnd I'm like, how can you tell?
Speaker BThey're like, oh, because if you look at here, there's a white spot inside.
Speaker BAnd you're.
Speaker BI'm like, all right, great.
Speaker BSo what do I do?
Speaker BThey're like, oh, just put a heat compress on it.
Speaker BI'm like, I'm sorry.
Speaker BThat.
Speaker AThat's.
Speaker BThat's our technological solution.
Speaker BWell, I give you antibiotic drops.
Speaker BI'm like, yeah, give me that.
Speaker BWhat else can you.
Speaker AMe?
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BAnd she's like, why do you want stuff to get?
Speaker BI'm like, cuz, I want this to go away fast.
Speaker BIt's been like a week now, dude, bro.
Speaker BAnd I still look like somebody punched me the side of the face.
Speaker ADude, that's.
Speaker BNo.
Speaker AIs that actually.
Speaker AIt doesn't even look that bad.
Speaker BNo, no, it look.
Speaker BSo towards the end of the day, after putting.
Speaker BCuz I have a heat.
Speaker BI have a pirate eye patch in there I put on as a heat patch.
Speaker AOh, you do this?
Speaker BI love to scare people.
Speaker BYeah, man.
Speaker BI got.
Speaker BI got pink eye.
Speaker BYou want a hug?
Speaker ASo true story.
Speaker AWhen my daughter was born, I got pink eye in the hospital.
Speaker BRight?
Speaker BProbably butthole.
Speaker AProbably touching a door.
Speaker ANot that somebody didn't clean.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BYou know?
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BShame on you.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AShame on you.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker AI don't even want to put the hospital's name out there, but.
Speaker ABut so I had big guys, so I had to stay away from Aria for the first week that she was born.
Speaker BWow.
Speaker ASo it really sucked.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker AI didn't get to hold her for the whole first week.
Speaker ABut I was in quarantine.
Speaker APre, like, covet quarantine.
Speaker ASo I was like, this is like I'm in a room all by myself, like, in my own house, just sleeping all day and night.
Speaker ALike, not getting.
Speaker ANot getting.
Speaker ABecause my wife's like, you're not getting the kids sick.
Speaker AYou're not getting me sick.
Speaker ALike, I. I'm gonna take care of all this, and you're just gonna get better.
Speaker AI need you to get better asap.
Speaker AStop messing around.
Speaker ASo I didn't.
Speaker AI didn't get to butt.
Speaker AAnd then coincidentally, Arya had a closed tear duck at the same Time.
Speaker BOh, yeah.
Speaker BVery similar to star.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker AVery similar to side.
Speaker AAnd it had, like, pus coming out.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ANaturally, when you first see that as a parent and you couple that with, like, me having pink eye, like, oh, she got pink eye.
Speaker BYou did this.
Speaker AYeah, I didn't.
Speaker AI tell you to stay away from recited.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AI'm like.
Speaker AI'm like, I swear to God, I haven't left the room, only to use the restroom.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AAnd sitting down.
Speaker AOur parents.
Speaker AOur parents, like, coming from, like, you know, Homeland, right?
Speaker AThey go, no, like, this is what you do.
Speaker AYou just put a black tea bag on it.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BI heard that before.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker ALike, so I'm like, this.
Speaker BActually it's supposed to be good for swelling.
Speaker ASo I'm like.
Speaker AI'm literally like.
Speaker AWife and I are very skeptical with, like, some of the, like.
Speaker ASome of the, like, old school, like, remedies.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker AAnd so we take her to the doctor, and they're like, okay, well, you got to take a Q tip and you got to rub the inside of her eye to, like, open up the tear duct.
Speaker AAnd then.
Speaker AAnd then.
Speaker AAnd then, like, anecdotally, they just threw in.
Speaker AThey're like.
Speaker AAnd if you want, maybe just put a black tea bag on it.
Speaker AI was like, I hate when they're right.
Speaker AI hate when they're right about stuff like this.
Speaker BI think the black tea bag thing, because now I have this.
Speaker BI think it's because it retains heat.
Speaker BSo when you put it on there, the heat just increased the blood circulation.
Speaker BI don't think the tea is doing anything magical.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BIt's not like Windex for Greeks, but it's.
Speaker BYou know, it's.
Speaker BBut that's what my eye patch basically is.
Speaker BAnd it's a combination of moisture and heat.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BAnd because of that, it creates, like, a good blood flow, and that's.
Speaker BI think that's what that is.
Speaker BSo I'm giving your parents, like, a little bit of a discount because there's some value there, but it's not, like, special.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AAnd there's.
Speaker AThere was, like, another one, too, that it was funny because Google called them out.
Speaker BPee on it.
Speaker ANo, they were like, add.
Speaker ARemember.
Speaker ARemember when they were like, add.
Speaker AAdd rice to the formula or the milk, Right?
Speaker BOh, yeah.
Speaker AAnd it'll keep their stomach full longer.
Speaker ABut, like, you're not supposed to do that till they get to a certain age.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker ABut our parents were like, telling them, like, no, started early.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker AAnd so I was like, quick, Google search.
Speaker AThank God for Google.
Speaker AI'm like, hey, like, this is what our parents are telling us to do.
Speaker AWhat do you.
Speaker AWhat do you think?
Speaker ALike.
Speaker ALike.
Speaker AAnd it literally calls out Middle Eastern cultures, even though Middle Eastern cultures will tell you to do this, do not do this, until they reach this age.
Speaker AI'm like, okay, got it.
Speaker BIt.
Speaker BIsn't it wild how, like, their regional, like, idiosyncratic, like, things like that.
Speaker BYeah, yeah.
Speaker BMakes you wonder how much religion has got that from, like, that's where that came from.
Speaker BRight?
Speaker ALike, has to.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ABut they also.
Speaker AIt's like.
Speaker AIt's worked for them.
Speaker BBro, stop talking to me.
Speaker BIt's like an hour and a half in.
Speaker AWhat, you don't want to talk to me anymore?
Speaker BNot really.
Speaker BAll right.
Speaker AIt's a good episode, man.
Speaker BWas it?
Speaker BYes.
Speaker ARemember, remain squarely focused.
Speaker BRemember, you, like.
Speaker BYou like being blindsided.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AThat was rough, man.
Speaker BWhat?
Speaker AWe got hustled.
Speaker AThe tariff hustle.
Speaker AWe got hustled.
Speaker AEverybody got hustled, and I'm not getting that back.
Speaker BBang, bang, pow.
Speaker BYou're not getting it.
Speaker BYou make too much fucking Pilates.
Speaker BGood night, everybody.
Speaker BSay hello to your gardener for me, asshole.
Speaker AYou got an hoa?
Speaker AI don't got hoa.
Speaker BBye.