1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:16,740 Hello and welcome to Bwb Extra where we get to know Andrew Ola, head of business development and Strategy at Origin Protocol a little better after having to drop out of her economics degree at Barclay to avoid family bankruptcy. 2 00:00:16,950 --> 00:00:22,170 Andrew went on to start her own commodities trading business, then worked in Silicon Valley. 3 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:26,400 And eventually moved to London where she began her work in crypto and blockchain. 4 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:33,750 We also hear about what makes Andra tick outside of work, her failures, realizations, and all round sound advice. 5 00:00:36,750 --> 00:00:40,710 So let's start by winding the clock back and talk about how you ended up doing. 6 00:00:41,665 --> 00:00:42,475 What you now do. 7 00:00:43,135 --> 00:00:43,495 Yeah. 8 00:00:43,495 --> 00:00:47,905 So, um, it was a complete accident, serendipity, whatever you wanna call it. 9 00:00:47,935 --> 00:00:50,155 Let's maybe start with my, my career journey. 10 00:00:50,155 --> 00:00:52,225 So, um, I actually dropped outta university. 11 00:00:52,230 --> 00:00:55,555 I was, uh, studying economics at Berkeley, three and a half years. 12 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,495 But then the financial crash in 2008, 2010 happened. 13 00:00:58,525 --> 00:01:02,075 Uh, and, uh, University of America is incredibly expensive. 14 00:01:02,105 --> 00:01:04,745 And so, but you'd almost got to the end three and a half years. 15 00:01:04,955 --> 00:01:06,875 I know it, it's one of those tough choices. 16 00:01:06,875 --> 00:01:11,855 It's like, do I run my family savings into the ground or, uh, do I just drop out and figure it out? 17 00:01:11,915 --> 00:01:14,165 Um, I chose not to live with the guilt. 18 00:01:14,435 --> 00:01:17,585 Uh, so, uh, I, uh, dropped out, but it, it doesn't matter. 19 00:01:17,590 --> 00:01:18,996 I took a couple of years off to try to figure it out. 20 00:01:19,355 --> 00:01:27,785 Uh, like I said, I did start a commodity trading company shortly after, uh, which of course, I didn't know it was going to end up where it did, but the idea was I want to do something of my own. 21 00:01:28,055 --> 00:01:29,285 I was digitally native. 22 00:01:29,335 --> 00:01:35,574 Spoke foreign languages, uh, and I understood business and, uh, that's how I sort of started building that from scratch. 23 00:01:36,054 --> 00:01:44,726 A couple years in, I decided I did not enjoy that particular field, mostly because of a, it was a lot of old white men telling me that I'm young and incompetent, even though I was doing that. 24 00:01:44,815 --> 00:01:45,115 How nice. 25 00:01:45,115 --> 00:01:46,195 Well, uh, yeah. 26 00:01:46,195 --> 00:01:49,414 Very, very sweet of them and, uh, leave us old white men alone. 27 00:01:50,675 --> 00:01:52,854 I'm not sure you're technically old yet, ma'am. 28 00:01:52,854 --> 00:01:52,914 Yeah. 29 00:01:53,065 --> 00:01:57,615 But, um, yeah, I decided that, um, You know, Silicon Valley was more interesting. 30 00:01:57,615 --> 00:01:58,934 It was a, a younger crowd, right? 31 00:01:58,934 --> 00:02:01,964 It was, uh, something that I was like, oh, the, it it's a cool industry. 32 00:02:01,964 --> 00:02:04,065 I can relate, I can, you know, learn a lot. 33 00:02:04,065 --> 00:02:04,815 It's moving fast. 34 00:02:04,815 --> 00:02:08,204 So I got back into tech a couple years in, that was in Silicon Valley. 35 00:02:08,234 --> 00:02:11,745 Um, I actually moved to London, so I, I discovered crypto in London of all places. 36 00:02:11,775 --> 00:02:22,394 Uh, I moved to London and I was trying to decide if, uh, do I work, uh, for an established company, like, I dunno, Google, apple, you name it, and have, you know, uh, stability in my life or do I stay in the innovative? 37 00:02:22,430 --> 00:02:27,890 Space and I'll find one of these cool ster startups, uh, and, and go there. 38 00:02:27,950 --> 00:02:36,380 So I, I ended up with the ladder and I found my first, uh, blockchain company at, uh, at a Barclays, a Rise co-working space in London. 39 00:02:36,410 --> 00:02:36,530 Oh yeah. 40 00:02:36,535 --> 00:02:37,040 In shortage. 41 00:02:38,210 --> 00:02:39,950 Do you have a long-term goal, do you think? 42 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:45,060 I mean, I have personal goals and then I have goals, uh, that I want to accomplish through, uh, the work that I'm doing. 43 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:51,060 Uh, my goal is to really, um, like I said, improve even 1% the the world of finance. 44 00:02:51,060 --> 00:02:55,560 If I can do that, then that would be, um, you know, I would consider myself accomplished in my work. 45 00:02:56,670 --> 00:03:00,945 How does your business particularly, Deal with the issue of climate change? 46 00:03:01,195 --> 00:03:03,885 Are you doing anything to kind of solve it? 47 00:03:04,155 --> 00:03:07,005 Yeah, so not directly because we're just a super tiny startup. 48 00:03:07,035 --> 00:03:10,035 Um, we don't have enough, uh, funds or resources to do anything about it. 49 00:03:10,035 --> 00:03:15,135 But as far as climate goes, first of all we're eliminating, uh, paper cash, right? 50 00:03:15,140 --> 00:03:18,135 So that in itself is a way of saving trees, which we know are pretty important. 51 00:03:18,885 --> 00:03:20,894 The other one is, uh, the choice of. 52 00:03:20,945 --> 00:03:22,745 Technology that you choose to build on top of. 53 00:03:22,775 --> 00:03:26,315 Um, and there are blockchains out there that are incredibly bad for the environment. 54 00:03:26,375 --> 00:03:29,674 Um, but we choose not to build on that and build on the one that is the most sustainable. 55 00:03:29,945 --> 00:03:34,174 Um, and that is our way of, um, helping reduce our footprint. 56 00:03:34,355 --> 00:03:37,905 Do you think that will be the, ultimately the, the, the, the downfall of Bitcoin? 57 00:03:38,165 --> 00:03:41,615 You know, people say all this, lots of energy and it's causing positive things, but. 58 00:03:42,340 --> 00:03:50,260 I mean, and some people say the whole point of its value is because it is this sort of fragile, like one oh network and it will sort of hold its value. 59 00:03:50,265 --> 00:03:53,890 What, what, what do you think, do you think, do you think the energy use will bring it down in the end? 60 00:03:54,030 --> 00:03:59,920 I, I, I, I don't think it's gonna be the energy use, but I think it goes back to a conversation we were having earlier about the force of good and the force of bad. 61 00:04:00,250 --> 00:04:09,200 Uh, and unfortunately in this particular scenario, uh, Are you asking me if the environmentalists are gonna win in front of like, greedy institutions that are going to want Bitcoin for whatever reason? 62 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:10,520 I feel like you're gonna say no. 63 00:04:11,150 --> 00:04:17,070 Yeah, so I'm, I'm gonna leave that one there, but, um, Yeah, I, I don't think it's gonna be those reasons that are gonna bring Bitcoin down. 64 00:04:17,070 --> 00:04:21,570 I think it's just the, the economics and the architecture long term that are not sustainable for Bitcoin. 65 00:04:21,690 --> 00:04:29,310 When you look at like, rewards for mining, which are gonna go down now why would I mine and implicitly hurt the environment when the rewards are just not that great? 66 00:04:29,370 --> 00:04:31,080 Uh, you know, uh, in the long term. 67 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:32,020 You said that you would. 68 00:04:32,295 --> 00:04:34,215 Save trees by not bringing paper. 69 00:04:34,215 --> 00:04:37,845 I mean, hey, I dunno how much of the world's paper is made up of bank notes. 70 00:04:37,845 --> 00:04:39,075 Not that much these days. 71 00:04:39,075 --> 00:04:41,415 I can't seem to find a cash machine bloody anywhere, can you? 72 00:04:41,420 --> 00:04:42,555 It's a fucking nightmare. 73 00:04:42,975 --> 00:04:44,355 So there's one in the RAC club. 74 00:04:44,355 --> 00:04:46,425 I just, last night, I think it's the coming like that, isn't it? 75 00:04:46,425 --> 00:04:48,495 It's like, oh listen, John, I found a cash machine. 76 00:04:48,555 --> 00:04:49,785 It's one behind you. 77 00:04:49,785 --> 00:04:50,495 Go behind this fence. 78 00:04:50,805 --> 00:04:51,615 No one's fucking note. 79 00:04:52,095 --> 00:04:53,205 You know, they're just nowhere. 80 00:04:53,475 --> 00:04:56,655 But surely there'll be less demand for papers to actually less trees. 81 00:04:56,715 --> 00:04:57,105 You know? 82 00:04:57,105 --> 00:05:01,335 So the, the paper thing's a bit of a, a moot point to be fed. 83 00:05:01,335 --> 00:05:01,845 T anything. 84 00:05:02,110 --> 00:05:03,430 Yes, that's just a starting point. 85 00:05:03,430 --> 00:05:04,660 But there is additional benefits. 86 00:05:04,660 --> 00:05:07,270 For example, crypto companies don't typically have offices. 87 00:05:07,270 --> 00:05:11,410 Now we can debate whether office buildings are energy consuming in general. 88 00:05:11,410 --> 00:05:11,680 Right. 89 00:05:11,685 --> 00:05:15,580 And then also, uh, traffic, like if you, I mean America, in America, everyone drives, right? 90 00:05:15,580 --> 00:05:18,220 Like how much pollution is that adding, uh, into the space? 91 00:05:18,220 --> 00:05:21,870 But with us, we just get online from anywhere, all corners of the world, and we just. 92 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:23,980 Connect, um, asynchronously. 93 00:05:23,980 --> 00:05:29,170 So that in itself, for one company like mine of 35 people is probably not gonna make a difference. 94 00:05:29,170 --> 00:05:38,380 But if every company in the world became remote and we no longer have these huge traffic lines and we no longer have huge energy consuming, consuming, uh, buildings. 95 00:05:38,469 --> 00:05:44,400 And you said you, you actively look at the kind of blockchain you are using, et cetera to use, use ones that are. 96 00:05:44,900 --> 00:05:46,250 More environmentally friendly. 97 00:05:46,490 --> 00:05:49,160 Yeah, we have a, there's different chains, right? 98 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,470 So you have Bitcoin, which was the og, everyone knows about it. 99 00:05:51,470 --> 00:05:53,810 Then you have Ethereum, and then you have all these newer ones. 100 00:05:54,050 --> 00:06:00,650 And Ethereum is one that is also constantly improving its architecture in order to become more environmentally friendly as well. 101 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:07,820 Um, so there was recently a shift to something called proof of stake, but that in itself is, is an effort to try to be as, um, ethical as possible. 102 00:06:09,060 --> 00:06:11,550 Is there anything you feel you've really fucked up in your career? 103 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,170 Oh, tons. 104 00:06:13,170 --> 00:06:13,680 Yeah. 105 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,590 Just, uh, wasting too much time on, on wrong opportunities. 106 00:06:16,594 --> 00:06:22,460 I think, uh, if there is such a thing, everything has a lesson and it What was the, what was the, what was the worst opportunity you wasted your time on? 107 00:06:23,085 --> 00:06:34,094 I, I think it was just the time spent between dropping out of college and, uh, starting my work in Silicon Valley that was just kind of like more, I was in survival mode rather than actually making decisions because I wanted to. 108 00:06:34,275 --> 00:06:35,265 But how old were you? 109 00:06:35,625 --> 00:06:36,344 Don't ask Peter. 110 00:06:36,344 --> 00:06:37,185 You can't ask me for that. 111 00:06:37,725 --> 00:06:38,505 Not now. 112 00:06:39,135 --> 00:06:39,735 Now, obviously. 113 00:06:39,945 --> 00:06:44,265 Well, obviously you must be 16 or something, you know, it's like, uh, no, no, no. 114 00:06:44,265 --> 00:06:45,915 It was, uh, early, mid twenties. 115 00:06:45,945 --> 00:06:49,065 So yeah, it felt like those are the most important years. 116 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:54,360 Of your life just speaking in, in like Fre, you wanna have fun, you wanna, yeah, you went to Berkeley and stuff. 117 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,760 You're from, you're a very driven person. 118 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,350 I mean, you know, give yourself a break. 119 00:06:58,350 --> 00:07:02,850 You know, most of us are 38 thinking, what the fuck am I doing with my life? 120 00:07:02,850 --> 00:07:05,910 You know, I only ended up an accountant cause I wasn't given an auction, you know? 121 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:13,410 But also your mid twenties are that period where you like, I think everybody looks back on it and went and thinks, what the fuck was I doing? 122 00:07:13,410 --> 00:07:13,980 Why didn't I? 123 00:07:14,395 --> 00:07:16,585 You know, just get sorted basically. 124 00:07:16,585 --> 00:07:18,895 Well, yeah, some people know exactly what they were doing. 125 00:07:18,895 --> 00:07:20,365 Because you don't have iPhone photos. 126 00:07:20,365 --> 00:07:21,775 You don't have iPhone photos. 127 00:07:21,775 --> 00:07:21,955 No. 128 00:07:21,955 --> 00:07:23,545 You don't have the iPhone photos to look back. 129 00:07:23,545 --> 00:07:26,845 And you, I look back at the last few years and I can't believe when it happened. 130 00:07:26,850 --> 00:07:31,586 When I look at the date and I'm looking at, sometimes it feels age as it goes sometimes, you know, and it's mind blowing. 131 00:07:31,765 --> 00:07:32,755 And I'm like, I'll remember. 132 00:07:32,755 --> 00:07:33,386 I don't remember any. 133 00:07:33,595 --> 00:07:34,135 Oh my God. 134 00:07:34,135 --> 00:07:34,675 Do you remember that? 135 00:07:34,675 --> 00:07:37,675 And then we went, so actually we just, it just dies, doesn't it? 136 00:07:37,675 --> 00:07:38,605 Like 2008. 137 00:07:38,605 --> 00:07:38,815 Boom. 138 00:07:38,875 --> 00:07:39,325 That's it. 139 00:07:39,325 --> 00:07:40,105 No information. 140 00:07:40,105 --> 00:07:41,065 We're back to Polaroids. 141 00:07:42,125 --> 00:07:43,985 What's your passion outside of business? 142 00:07:44,555 --> 00:07:48,515 Oh, I, um, I'm very into, uh, wellness and health. 143 00:07:48,515 --> 00:07:50,135 I don't just mean, uh, I go to the gym. 144 00:07:50,255 --> 00:07:56,755 I mean, that's, that's a basic one, but I, uh, I follow things like, um, even the spirituality, like mindfulness and meditation. 145 00:07:57,215 --> 00:07:57,935 I also do. 146 00:07:58,465 --> 00:07:59,455 Things at a micro level. 147 00:07:59,455 --> 00:08:03,145 For example, I have regular blood work to see how are my nutrients level, should I supplement it? 148 00:08:03,145 --> 00:08:04,765 So should I change my diet? 149 00:08:04,825 --> 00:08:07,375 Uh, I do, for example, infrared light therapy. 150 00:08:07,585 --> 00:08:11,875 Uh, I get into oxygen chambers, all these things that, oh, are you doing any microdosing? 151 00:08:11,875 --> 00:08:12,685 Have you gone that far? 152 00:08:13,045 --> 00:08:17,005 Uh, that, that was back in Silicon Valley that was popular, you know, a couple years ago, but not anymore. 153 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:29,210 Somebody told me to do some meditation a while ago, so I put, I, I like lay flat and they put the thing on and it said, imagine you can feel your toes in a particular way and then your legs. 154 00:08:29,450 --> 00:08:32,659 And after about three minutes I was like, I am going to kill something. 155 00:08:33,710 --> 00:08:35,420 This is the most annoying thing I've ever. 156 00:08:35,420 --> 00:08:37,430 Well, depends, you've gotta get the voice right. 157 00:08:37,460 --> 00:08:38,330 They're not, I'm not good. 158 00:08:38,330 --> 00:08:38,870 No offense. 159 00:08:38,870 --> 00:08:42,470 Sorry, I know you're not America, but I'm not good when it's like, yeah, you got the. 160 00:08:42,900 --> 00:08:43,290 Hi. 161 00:08:43,350 --> 00:08:46,110 Now the Californian, you gotta get the voice right. 162 00:08:46,170 --> 00:08:49,830 You know, I mean, I think maybe if it was Mr T doing it, it might be quite amusing. 163 00:08:50,340 --> 00:08:51,750 Barry White, Hey, suck up. 164 00:08:51,900 --> 00:08:52,980 You gonna pull your shit together? 165 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:54,480 You gonna sit down you little brief. 166 00:08:54,570 --> 00:08:55,350 That would be great. 167 00:08:55,410 --> 00:08:55,830 That would be my fun. 168 00:08:55,830 --> 00:08:58,950 Yeah, no, I think Barry White is, Barry White would be fantastic, wouldn't he? 169 00:08:59,100 --> 00:09:00,190 Or, um, Earl. 170 00:09:00,410 --> 00:09:01,590 Uh, Earl Jones. 171 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,790 Uh, you know, DARFA a bit scary though, but you do what he says, wouldn't you? 172 00:09:05,790 --> 00:09:06,630 I am your father. 173 00:09:07,170 --> 00:09:13,870 Business without bullshit is brought to you by, Ari Clark straight talking financial and legal advice since 1935. 174 00:09:14,350 --> 00:09:16,810 You can find us@ariclark.com. 175 00:09:18,195 --> 00:09:20,055 What's the worst advice you've ever been given? 176 00:09:20,235 --> 00:09:22,935 I would say, uh, anything that has to do with control. 177 00:09:22,935 --> 00:09:26,955 You know, when they say, don't worry about things you can't control or just let it happen. 178 00:09:26,955 --> 00:09:30,135 Anything of the sword, I always found your just worry about things you can't control. 179 00:09:30,135 --> 00:09:32,145 It's not the worrying part, it's the control part. 180 00:09:32,175 --> 00:09:32,325 Yeah. 181 00:09:32,325 --> 00:09:33,195 That I have a problem with. 182 00:09:33,195 --> 00:09:35,356 I feel like you have a lot more control on the outcome of. 183 00:09:35,485 --> 00:09:38,575 Things and people think you do, uh, or they, they tell you, you do. 184 00:09:38,575 --> 00:09:45,415 So I spent a lot of time just like, oh, I'm not going to try to take control of the situation, but it's actually when I took control, I was able to dictate the outcome. 185 00:09:45,420 --> 00:09:47,575 So that's something that I struggle with a lot. 186 00:09:47,755 --> 00:09:49,525 Hey, yeah, explain that a little bit better. 187 00:09:49,525 --> 00:09:53,445 So don't, don't worry about things you can't control, and you are saying no, don't worry about. 188 00:09:54,660 --> 00:09:55,949 Just fucking control them. 189 00:09:55,949 --> 00:09:58,949 I can control everything, not everything. 190 00:09:58,949 --> 00:10:00,900 That's obviously the toxic extreme, right? 191 00:10:00,900 --> 00:10:03,209 That's type A when you just like try to take control of everything. 192 00:10:03,209 --> 00:10:08,100 But let's take, um, so let's, let's think of like the fundraise where I raised 150 million, right? 193 00:10:08,100 --> 00:10:16,140 And I did get a lot of advice, but obviously it got stressful beyond, uh, measure right points, the hardest things you can do in business, and that's a huge sum to raise. 194 00:10:16,140 --> 00:10:19,380 But, you know, maybe that it's just as hard as 150 grand. 195 00:10:19,469 --> 00:10:20,160 That's the truth. 196 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:27,240 You know, that's true in a way, you know, but then, You will get advice that say, you know, when you're having a, a rough day, oh, don't worry about it. 197 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,150 Like it's gonna be what it's whatever's gonna happen is gonna happen. 198 00:10:30,150 --> 00:10:32,790 Like, don't try to stress out, can't control it, et cetera. 199 00:10:32,970 --> 00:10:33,190 Ah. 200 00:10:33,690 --> 00:10:35,950 And I'm like, when people tell you, relax, it'll be all right. 201 00:10:36,010 --> 00:10:36,830 That's bullshit. 202 00:10:37,020 --> 00:10:37,310 Yeah. 203 00:10:37,380 --> 00:10:37,670 Yeah. 204 00:10:37,830 --> 00:10:38,630 And it's like, hold on. 205 00:10:39,450 --> 00:10:54,895 But I feel like if I send this additional piece of information, or if I jump on an extra call to try to like explain further, or if I do this, if I make this one document that's going to have whatever outcome, Then that's me kind of taking control of the situation and I feel like that actually ultimately led to success. 206 00:10:54,895 --> 00:11:00,324 So, um, so I'm just like a little bit wary of everyone that tells you to relax too much, but take everything with a grain of salt. 207 00:11:00,415 --> 00:11:02,364 Obviously don't like die of stress. 208 00:11:02,370 --> 00:11:03,234 That is the extreme. 209 00:11:03,505 --> 00:11:04,525 Ideally not middle ground. 210 00:11:04,530 --> 00:11:04,734 Don't. 211 00:11:05,125 --> 00:11:05,875 No, it's true. 212 00:11:05,875 --> 00:11:07,646 I don't quite believe you make your own luck. 213 00:11:07,651 --> 00:11:09,594 I think there is a thing called luck. 214 00:11:09,685 --> 00:11:10,474 I mean, it really is. 215 00:11:10,620 --> 00:11:19,140 You know, but I think if you don't work hard, which is really what you, if you are not gonna put in the time that if you put in the time, then that'll create opportunity and your skill. 216 00:11:19,140 --> 00:11:20,610 Are you actually American? 217 00:11:20,700 --> 00:11:21,860 Am I Amer, do I an American? 218 00:11:22,170 --> 00:11:26,490 The whole American dream, God, if you want it enough, you can have it anyway. 219 00:11:27,735 --> 00:11:29,895 What's the best piece of advice you've ever been given? 220 00:11:30,225 --> 00:11:31,275 Follow your instincts. 221 00:11:31,455 --> 00:11:42,915 I definitely believe that decisions that I've, uh, slept on and took my time thinking about and, you know, taking, uh, being, uh, deep with my research on the topic did not turn out that great. 222 00:11:42,915 --> 00:11:43,935 But the ones that I made on the. 223 00:11:44,055 --> 00:11:44,324 Spot. 224 00:11:44,415 --> 00:11:47,175 Just like my using my instincts were always the best ones. 225 00:11:47,234 --> 00:11:47,655 Oh, wow. 226 00:11:47,655 --> 00:11:48,405 The other way around. 227 00:11:48,645 --> 00:11:49,155 Yeah. 228 00:11:49,334 --> 00:11:49,515 Yeah. 229 00:11:49,515 --> 00:11:53,025 Everyone's about like, oh, being data driven and thinking, sleeping on it, whatever. 230 00:11:53,025 --> 00:11:54,704 But for me it's really instinct driven. 231 00:11:54,704 --> 00:11:59,265 If something doesn't, uh, feel good, smell good, look good, I just don't, don't do it. 232 00:12:00,375 --> 00:12:02,535 What advice would you give to your younger self? 233 00:12:03,415 --> 00:12:04,285 Network more. 234 00:12:04,345 --> 00:12:06,145 Uh, I definitely was an introvert. 235 00:12:06,204 --> 00:12:09,515 Uh, and, uh, yeah, I, I did not like people. 236 00:12:10,165 --> 00:12:11,665 I did not like, uh, networking. 237 00:12:11,670 --> 00:12:12,115 I did not like talking. 238 00:12:12,115 --> 00:12:12,475 You network. 239 00:12:12,635 --> 00:12:13,405 I didn't like socially. 240 00:12:13,405 --> 00:12:14,875 It's horrible networking. 241 00:12:14,935 --> 00:12:16,074 Nobody likes networking. 242 00:12:16,074 --> 00:12:17,965 Americans are really good at it too. 243 00:12:17,965 --> 00:12:21,115 Partly, you probably went moved from European culture to American culture. 244 00:12:21,415 --> 00:12:23,875 When everyone is like, they learn it at school. 245 00:12:23,875 --> 00:12:25,105 I've hung out with school kids. 246 00:12:25,105 --> 00:12:26,425 It's like, hi, my name is Andrew. 247 00:12:26,435 --> 00:12:27,915 R I do da, da da da. 248 00:12:28,135 --> 00:12:30,265 And I grew up and they tell you like a little anecdote. 249 00:12:30,265 --> 00:12:33,555 They, they have this speech and you're like, Great, thanks. 250 00:12:33,645 --> 00:12:34,155 What the fuck? 251 00:12:34,185 --> 00:12:36,435 And then they ask you to go and you are like me. 252 00:12:36,645 --> 00:12:37,365 Like what? 253 00:12:37,365 --> 00:12:42,525 Like, you know, and that's how I think that's because British people in general tend to be self-deprecating. 254 00:12:42,735 --> 00:12:44,475 It's just you can't help it. 255 00:12:44,745 --> 00:12:47,265 Like you make a, I think Roman yourself too, don't you? 256 00:12:47,265 --> 00:12:48,105 You guys are some hum. 257 00:12:48,405 --> 00:12:49,425 I know a few Romanians. 258 00:12:49,425 --> 00:12:50,866 I mean, I get called depressed all the time. 259 00:12:50,871 --> 00:12:52,665 They're like, what's with your dark humor? 260 00:12:52,665 --> 00:12:53,335 Is it even humor? 261 00:12:53,535 --> 00:12:53,835 Humor? 262 00:12:53,835 --> 00:12:55,185 Or do you need to see a therapist? 263 00:12:55,185 --> 00:12:56,265 I'm like, you don't get it. 264 00:12:56,565 --> 00:12:57,315 It's sarcasm. 265 00:12:57,315 --> 00:12:57,885 Don't worry about it. 266 00:12:59,295 --> 00:13:02,715 Any recommendations to read, watch, listen, check out. 267 00:13:02,925 --> 00:13:05,525 There's a ton of resources in crypto. 268 00:13:05,985 --> 00:13:09,645 Uh, you have to learn how to dig through the bullshit, but I would stick with the main publication. 269 00:13:09,645 --> 00:13:14,805 So, uh, I would go to something like, Maari is a great place to find in-depth reports and analysis. 270 00:13:14,810 --> 00:13:16,035 And How'd you spell that? 271 00:13:16,065 --> 00:13:16,095 Maari? 272 00:13:16,835 --> 00:13:17,125 Yeah. 273 00:13:17,445 --> 00:13:20,385 M E s s a R I. 274 00:13:20,475 --> 00:13:26,745 Um, then there's another one called The Block that also has a lot of, uh, articles, information, news, et cetera. 275 00:13:27,395 --> 00:13:32,074 Then there's podcasts like, uh, Bankless, for example, that you could listen to. 276 00:13:32,495 --> 00:13:39,834 Uh, for women that are interested in crypto, there's something called she, i s like she underscore fi, uh, meaning that they teach about decentralized finance. 277 00:13:40,505 --> 00:13:41,584 They can't do He ffi. 278 00:13:41,615 --> 00:13:42,245 He ffi though. 279 00:13:42,250 --> 00:13:43,324 That's high-fi, isn't it? 280 00:13:43,444 --> 00:13:43,685 Oh no. 281 00:13:43,689 --> 00:13:44,314 He ffi. 282 00:13:44,435 --> 00:13:45,035 He ffi. 283 00:13:45,265 --> 00:13:46,444 Fuck I want, he ffi. 284 00:13:48,189 --> 00:13:50,620 So that brings us to the favorite part of the show, the end of the show. 285 00:13:50,680 --> 00:13:51,880 Um, thanks Andrew. 286 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:52,480 You've been great. 287 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:53,800 This is the business versus bullshit. 288 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:54,760 Quick, far round. 289 00:13:55,209 --> 00:13:59,949 Uh, we are gonna say some things and you need to tell us whether you think they're business or bullshit. 290 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,560 You can also say bullshit if you want. 291 00:14:05,020 --> 00:14:05,260 Okay. 292 00:14:05,260 --> 00:14:06,370 You ready already? 293 00:14:07,180 --> 00:14:07,390 Mm-hmm. 294 00:14:08,050 --> 00:14:08,410 Let's go. 295 00:14:09,100 --> 00:14:19,180 Um, asking favors business MBAs, bullshit, hot desking. 296 00:14:20,625 --> 00:14:21,045 Bullshit. 297 00:14:21,735 --> 00:14:31,844 Breakfast meetings, business working hours, bullshit going viral, bullshit. 298 00:14:33,314 --> 00:14:37,224 Team outings, business, nice things. 299 00:14:37,224 --> 00:14:37,545 Thanks. 300 00:14:41,655 --> 00:14:43,245 Do you have any crypto think tanks? 301 00:14:43,245 --> 00:14:45,194 There's some, there must be some crypto think tanks. 302 00:14:45,194 --> 00:14:49,515 People thinking about crypto in a tank, n not in crypto, but in silicon. 303 00:14:49,785 --> 00:14:50,625 We had a lot of those. 304 00:14:50,714 --> 00:14:51,135 Did you? 305 00:14:51,854 --> 00:14:52,035 Yeah. 306 00:14:52,214 --> 00:14:52,365 Good. 307 00:14:53,115 --> 00:14:57,464 NFTs business. 308 00:14:57,685 --> 00:14:59,324 Oh, she's not, shit. 309 00:14:59,324 --> 00:15:00,314 That said bullshit. 310 00:15:02,324 --> 00:15:05,235 Ah, bullshit. 311 00:15:06,525 --> 00:15:08,785 Flexible working business. 312 00:15:10,075 --> 00:15:23,215 Uh, business plans, business, universal income business, and uh, finally we discussed it earlier. 313 00:15:23,215 --> 00:15:29,425 Michael does sing bullshit and congrat well done. 314 00:15:29,425 --> 00:15:32,215 You've got 1,022 points. 315 00:15:32,215 --> 00:15:33,175 It was extremely good. 316 00:15:40,564 --> 00:15:46,355 So that was this week's episode of Bwb Extra, and we'll be back with a new episode next Tuesday. 317 00:15:46,735 --> 00:15:48,084 Until then, it's goodbye.