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--> 00:00:52,580 Have a listen and let us know what you think. 13 00:00:52,580 --> 00:00:56,100 Warren Robinson, I really appreciate you taking the time to be here with us. 14 00:00:56,100 --> 00:00:59,300 We've been trying to get you on for a while. 15 00:00:59,300 --> 00:01:05,460 You have recently partially relocated to Florida and last I saw you last fall. 16 00:01:05,460 --> 00:01:08,580 You were looking to get married and you've just got a lot going on in your life. 17 00:01:08,580 --> 00:01:14,660 So I want to start with our most obvious question, which is, who are you and why do we care? 18 00:01:14,660 --> 00:01:18,620 Yeah, things are having the podcast, glad to be part of it. 19 00:01:18,620 --> 00:01:20,180 So who I am, I'm Warren Robinson. 20 00:01:20,180 --> 00:01:25,420 I am one of 15 applicants that are part of the Racket Sports Management Apprenticeship Program 21 00:01:25,420 --> 00:01:27,580 at USTA National Campus. 22 00:01:27,580 --> 00:01:29,100 I am a full-time employee. 23 00:01:29,100 --> 00:01:35,100 So I work 20 hours a week or more to teach all programming from pickleball, to padell, 24 00:01:35,100 --> 00:01:38,940 to tennis, to junior programming, to adult programming. 25 00:01:38,940 --> 00:01:45,340 And on top of that, I learn about the industry from pickleball, padell and tennis, and learning 26 00:01:45,340 --> 00:01:50,900 the governance of all bodies and figuring out the marketing, the how it's progressing through 27 00:01:50,900 --> 00:01:56,220 the country and the world, and where does all these programs lead us in the future in the 28 00:01:56,220 --> 00:01:57,220 country? 29 00:01:57,220 --> 00:02:02,180 Okay, and you answered my next obvious question, which is, "USTA is tennis only." 30 00:02:02,180 --> 00:02:06,900 So you're not necessarily training in the other sports or are you? 31 00:02:06,900 --> 00:02:11,180 Because the USTA has gotten into coaching and that's a big deal in a giant industry level 32 00:02:11,180 --> 00:02:17,140 conversation right now, but you said very specifically, "Racket Sports," and there are the other sports 33 00:02:17,140 --> 00:02:21,900 that's my main thing is, you guys aren't just tennis. 34 00:02:21,900 --> 00:02:22,900 Yeah, right. 35 00:02:22,900 --> 00:02:28,940 So, I won't get into the political reason, but yes, so we also teach pickleball, padell. 36 00:02:28,940 --> 00:02:31,140 That's also a complimentary sport. 37 00:02:31,140 --> 00:02:32,740 That's what tennis considers it. 38 00:02:32,740 --> 00:02:38,100 So when you go, let's say to a country club or a publicsility or a park's erect, the goal 39 00:02:38,100 --> 00:02:43,900 is that tennis is king and the company sports will be pickleball and padell. 40 00:02:43,900 --> 00:02:50,980 And so this month, I will be getting certified into by the RSTA through pickleball. 41 00:02:50,980 --> 00:02:52,980 And at some point, I will get padell certified. 42 00:02:52,980 --> 00:02:57,700 So as of right now, I'm recertified at PTR level for pickleball. 43 00:02:57,700 --> 00:03:02,540 However, when you work at the US National Campus, it is required that we go through the 44 00:03:02,540 --> 00:03:07,020 RSTA program to get certified through them. 45 00:03:07,020 --> 00:03:08,020 That's interesting. 46 00:03:08,020 --> 00:03:14,460 Bobby, were you aware of any of the specific "Hey, we're USTA," but we're still using RSTA 47 00:03:14,460 --> 00:03:17,940 and PTR certifications at levels? 48 00:03:17,940 --> 00:03:22,340 Only background noise, but this is a good scoop right here. 49 00:03:22,340 --> 00:03:24,700 Have they bring it? 50 00:03:24,700 --> 00:03:29,300 Well, and that's interesting, Warren, because we love learning what's actually going on. 51 00:03:29,300 --> 00:03:32,940 Like Bobby says, it's background noise from the point of, "Well, I heard they're doing 52 00:03:32,940 --> 00:03:33,940 this." 53 00:03:33,940 --> 00:03:40,780 Not allowing that, and we assume USTA has said we're tennis only, but they have to train 54 00:03:40,780 --> 00:03:41,780 you. 55 00:03:41,780 --> 00:03:46,940 You're in a management program for racquet sports. 56 00:03:46,940 --> 00:03:52,460 They've got to know that to get the biggest jobs, especially in the country club world, 57 00:03:52,460 --> 00:03:54,980 we'll point out that caveat. 58 00:03:54,980 --> 00:03:57,740 But especially in the country club world, to get the biggest jobs, you got to know more 59 00:03:57,740 --> 00:03:58,740 than tennis. 60 00:03:58,740 --> 00:03:59,740 Correct. 61 00:03:59,740 --> 00:04:05,560 Yeah, and this program is part of our internship, our learning process to get certified in 62 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:06,560 Pickleball Padel. 63 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:10,340 Like I said earlier, the great thing about this program is that we know tennis is king. 64 00:04:10,340 --> 00:04:15,340 And we know that there's a demand for Pickleball and Padel, right? 65 00:04:15,340 --> 00:04:19,620 The statistics are proven to us that Pickleball is a fast growing sport in the US. 66 00:04:19,620 --> 00:04:22,620 However, globally, Padel's coming. 67 00:04:22,620 --> 00:04:23,620 Padel's already here. 68 00:04:23,620 --> 00:04:27,820 And it's one of those sports that, you know, it may turn to Pickleball in the few years. 69 00:04:27,820 --> 00:04:33,380 The market is huge, the demand is huge, the money, the investment is there. 70 00:04:33,380 --> 00:04:38,460 Right now, the infrastructure hasn't met up to the demand, but there's a lot of investors 71 00:04:38,460 --> 00:04:40,300 putting money into this sport. 72 00:04:40,300 --> 00:04:45,660 So right now, Pickleball, it is still a big deal, but Padel is coming. 73 00:04:45,660 --> 00:04:50,300 And so it's required for us to all be certified in all these sports. 74 00:04:50,300 --> 00:04:52,420 Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. 75 00:04:52,420 --> 00:04:57,180 And I think Pat El at this point is what averaging 20 courts per state. 76 00:04:57,180 --> 00:05:04,300 So I really don't think it's a giant issue, so to speak, but we are looking at a director 77 00:05:04,300 --> 00:05:10,260 of racket sports title, director of rackets, even director of court sports at some levels 78 00:05:10,260 --> 00:05:16,660 with you include Bocchi and some other country club games, I would say, that aren't necessarily 79 00:05:16,660 --> 00:05:17,660 with a racket. 80 00:05:17,660 --> 00:05:18,860 So that's, that's fun to know. 81 00:05:18,860 --> 00:05:21,500 So tell, tell us a little bit about yourself Warren. 82 00:05:21,500 --> 00:05:26,740 You and I met in coming, but you've got a place in Duluth, I think it is. 83 00:05:26,740 --> 00:05:28,300 So you're in Metro Atlanta. 84 00:05:28,300 --> 00:05:29,300 What about you? 85 00:05:29,300 --> 00:05:30,300 You got married recently? 86 00:05:30,300 --> 00:05:31,300 How is life? 87 00:05:31,300 --> 00:05:34,860 Yeah, so my background is Richmond, Germany. 88 00:05:34,860 --> 00:05:37,180 I came to US and 9/9, I was 12. 89 00:05:37,180 --> 00:05:38,180 My dad was military. 90 00:05:38,180 --> 00:05:41,420 If I'm German, I've been a military for 20 years. 91 00:05:41,420 --> 00:05:45,820 Well, going on 20 this May, so I'm, I finally hit 20 in the Navy. 92 00:05:45,820 --> 00:05:47,820 Cheapay officer played college tennis. 93 00:05:47,820 --> 00:05:52,820 I played pitch for pitch for Pickleball for about two years, 2020, 2021. 94 00:05:52,820 --> 00:05:53,820 So I've been kind of everywhere. 95 00:05:53,820 --> 00:05:58,540 I mean, I've played tennis, enjoyed my life and then I started playing Pickleball and I 96 00:05:58,540 --> 00:06:00,380 really found it fascinating. 97 00:06:00,380 --> 00:06:01,380 It's fun. 98 00:06:01,380 --> 00:06:03,660 I still love tennis more than Pickleball. 99 00:06:03,660 --> 00:06:06,620 I won't deny that, but Pickleball is fun. 100 00:06:06,620 --> 00:06:09,860 And so now I've discovered Padeau and it's also fun. 101 00:06:09,860 --> 00:06:14,980 It's a lot like tennis with Pickleball touch and, you know, I'm like a big kid in, in this 102 00:06:14,980 --> 00:06:19,780 world, just privilege and honor to be part of this program and be part of this, this 103 00:06:19,780 --> 00:06:23,780 life just because I get to play three things at once and I enjoy all of them. 104 00:06:23,780 --> 00:06:24,780 Yes, good. 105 00:06:24,780 --> 00:06:32,860 And we sometimes we play the sport that isn't necessarily our expertise because we're all 106 00:06:32,860 --> 00:06:37,100 exceptional tennis players typically at this level. 107 00:06:37,100 --> 00:06:42,500 And we've played for, you know, 40 years, some of us, 39 in my case, we won't talk about 108 00:06:42,500 --> 00:06:51,460 Bobby, but we look at, we look at the point of view of finding that thing that can challenge 109 00:06:51,460 --> 00:06:56,900 us that new concept where a lot of people get it, tennis players get into Padeau and my 110 00:06:56,900 --> 00:07:01,900 God, it's just different enough to really challenge me and get me excited about something 111 00:07:01,900 --> 00:07:05,300 and it's not like me having to go out and learn how to play American football. 112 00:07:05,300 --> 00:07:07,980 So I think that's, that's a lot of fun. 113 00:07:07,980 --> 00:07:14,660 Now from your perspective, there's a uniqueness to what you're doing because it sounds like 114 00:07:14,660 --> 00:07:15,660 you're in school. 115 00:07:15,660 --> 00:07:20,020 It sounds like you're in training, which also makes it sound like you're a newbie, but 116 00:07:20,020 --> 00:07:21,020 you're not. 117 00:07:21,020 --> 00:07:27,460 Would you describe this apprentice program more like a master's degree or a doctorate 118 00:07:27,460 --> 00:07:31,940 where if we were to put it on an educational scale, where do you think it would land in 119 00:07:31,940 --> 00:07:32,940 this industry? 120 00:07:32,940 --> 00:07:33,940 Wow. 121 00:07:33,940 --> 00:07:35,540 That's a great question. 122 00:07:35,540 --> 00:07:38,260 I wouldn't tell you that was coming first. 123 00:07:38,260 --> 00:07:39,660 No, it's great. 124 00:07:39,660 --> 00:07:49,180 I would honestly say the doctorate and the reason why I say that is I would say when 125 00:07:49,180 --> 00:07:55,140 you get certified, you know, I would say you have a cause degree and I would call a master's 126 00:07:55,140 --> 00:07:57,900 something you specialize in because you've done it for a few years. 127 00:07:57,900 --> 00:08:04,140 I would consider this a doctrine program because you're learning about the entire industry. 128 00:08:04,140 --> 00:08:11,260 And quite honestly, my experience has been country clubs, some park wrecks and commercial, 129 00:08:11,260 --> 00:08:12,740 but I've never been resort. 130 00:08:12,740 --> 00:08:15,060 I've never worked with a 501 3C. 131 00:08:15,060 --> 00:08:20,620 So there's parts of the industry that I have no clue. 132 00:08:20,620 --> 00:08:26,600 And so going to the process, you learn from God like Edgelpont to come in and just say, 133 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:31,100 hey, I'm here to be your mentor, your teacher, whatever you need from me. 134 00:08:31,100 --> 00:08:32,100 I'm here. 135 00:08:32,100 --> 00:08:40,300 You get this access to these leaders of the industry that you would have to go to a convention 136 00:08:40,300 --> 00:08:43,620 and they may have time for you or you may work for them. 137 00:08:43,620 --> 00:08:50,420 You know, you build this rapport in this program and you got to think about it out of 400 applicants, 138 00:08:50,420 --> 00:08:52,380 only it gets chosen. 139 00:08:52,380 --> 00:08:58,820 And so you have to have some kind of background to be chosen for this internship or leadership 140 00:08:58,820 --> 00:09:03,100 program to be able to be put out back into the industry with more knowledge. 141 00:09:03,100 --> 00:09:08,900 I mean, think about it when you leave here in two years, you have been certified at the 142 00:09:08,900 --> 00:09:12,340 highest level for USH coaching on their base platform. 143 00:09:12,340 --> 00:09:16,220 RSP8 for Patel for pickleball. 144 00:09:16,220 --> 00:09:21,940 You have now met most of the leading leaders of the business and you have access and you 145 00:09:21,940 --> 00:09:26,900 know how to budget, you know about financing, you understand private, you understand equity, 146 00:09:26,900 --> 00:09:31,460 not equity, you know, you understand commercial property, you understand as a business for profit, 147 00:09:31,460 --> 00:09:34,420 you understand how these business works inside and out. 148 00:09:34,420 --> 00:09:37,260 I mean, again, do you have to have a lot of experience? 149 00:09:37,260 --> 00:09:40,500 Not really, but generally you're going to get this experience. 150 00:09:40,500 --> 00:09:45,380 You're going to get the opportunity to visit locations and ask all the questions you want 151 00:09:45,380 --> 00:09:49,580 because eventually when we leave this program, we will be the director of rackets or the 152 00:09:49,580 --> 00:09:55,220 sends director at that property or that location, depending wherever one of us decides to go 153 00:09:55,220 --> 00:09:56,540 in our future. 154 00:09:56,540 --> 00:10:00,180 Bobby, I'm sure you got questions. 155 00:10:00,180 --> 00:10:04,780 I just keep, every time he says, "Tedis is king," I agree. 156 00:10:04,780 --> 00:10:05,780 Not. 157 00:10:05,780 --> 00:10:06,780 I'm really great. 158 00:10:06,780 --> 00:10:07,780 Keep saying it. 159 00:10:07,780 --> 00:10:08,780 Keep saying. 160 00:10:08,780 --> 00:10:13,980 I mean, my biggest question would be, I'll be growing outside of the world of tennis and 161 00:10:13,980 --> 00:10:17,380 rackets sports as far as your instructors. 162 00:10:17,380 --> 00:10:18,540 No. 163 00:10:18,540 --> 00:10:25,540 What I mean by that is working at USDA, the vision is 35 by 35. 164 00:10:25,540 --> 00:10:26,740 And so that's the goal. 165 00:10:26,740 --> 00:10:30,660 It's to get, how many can we get 35% to play tennis? 166 00:10:30,660 --> 00:10:33,300 Now with that said, it's our job. 167 00:10:33,300 --> 00:10:35,260 It's our duty to try to fulfill the obligation. 168 00:10:35,260 --> 00:10:41,540 Now, again, like I said, pickleball and peddler comp me sports because that's what they are. 169 00:10:41,540 --> 00:10:47,740 Every club, private, public, whatever you want to call it, they're going to look at peddler 170 00:10:47,740 --> 00:10:49,460 and pickleball's comp me. 171 00:10:49,460 --> 00:10:55,060 So the main focus is the growth of tennis to make sure it's inclusive for everyone. 172 00:10:55,060 --> 00:11:00,060 So when Bobby, did I hear, yeah, did I hear your question properly, Bobby, where you're 173 00:11:00,060 --> 00:11:06,780 asking about the only tennis or rackets sports experts as instructors and mentors there, 174 00:11:06,780 --> 00:11:09,820 you were asking, are they from outside the industry as well? 175 00:11:09,820 --> 00:11:11,140 Is that where you were going with that? 176 00:11:11,140 --> 00:11:12,140 Yeah. 177 00:11:12,140 --> 00:11:15,300 Because I mean, obviously if you were talking about business, are we getting business leaders 178 00:11:15,300 --> 00:11:16,300 in there? 179 00:11:16,300 --> 00:11:20,980 Are we just talking about, because everybody's going to bring it in her own bias. 180 00:11:20,980 --> 00:11:24,620 And you know, there's an argument, yes, pickleball is by far the fastest growing sport in 181 00:11:24,620 --> 00:11:25,620 this country. 182 00:11:25,620 --> 00:11:32,460 But it's not translating into lessons, it's not translating into, it is what it's a round 183 00:11:32,460 --> 00:11:33,460 robin. 184 00:11:33,460 --> 00:11:37,220 Yes, it helps with its structure, but that's where the success is. 185 00:11:37,220 --> 00:11:38,220 Paddle is great. 186 00:11:38,220 --> 00:11:45,260 Yes, it's growing in North, but it's got huge problems coming up as far as due diligence. 187 00:11:45,260 --> 00:11:48,220 I mean, just with costs associated with it. 188 00:11:48,220 --> 00:11:53,860 And do you build something or knock something down to put in something that's still only 189 00:11:53,860 --> 00:11:56,420 going to have four people on the court? 190 00:11:56,420 --> 00:12:00,140 The racket industry went through this back in the day. 191 00:12:00,140 --> 00:12:06,380 Tennis courts went through with racket ball courts when gyms realized I put two people 192 00:12:06,380 --> 00:12:11,940 on this amount of space or four people on this amount of space or I can put 100 life cycles 193 00:12:11,940 --> 00:12:12,940 on this amount of space. 194 00:12:12,940 --> 00:12:15,540 So are we getting a good idea? 195 00:12:15,540 --> 00:12:19,860 Are we getting everybody who's walking in saying, well, you know, tennis is king this month, 196 00:12:19,860 --> 00:12:21,500 but pickleball is going to be king. 197 00:12:21,500 --> 00:12:22,500 Are we being realistic? 198 00:12:22,500 --> 00:12:23,500 Like you said, are we looking at this? 199 00:12:23,500 --> 00:12:24,500 How do we grow? 200 00:12:24,500 --> 00:12:29,780 Because by my, you know, philosophy we've said it here, I wish all the tennis guys were taking 201 00:12:29,780 --> 00:12:33,820 all the money that they, you know, the new money they're getting from these other sports 202 00:12:33,820 --> 00:12:36,820 and buying all the tennis toys they can. 203 00:12:36,820 --> 00:12:42,100 You know, all the technology, exposing the clientele and make people realize all the exciting 204 00:12:42,100 --> 00:12:46,700 things that are going on in tennis because as you've said, tennis is king. 205 00:12:46,700 --> 00:12:51,380 Yeah, I mean, so I can't even get a opinion on this, right? 206 00:12:51,380 --> 00:12:56,500 And we had Sarah Ann's Berry that came in a week ago, right? 207 00:12:56,500 --> 00:13:00,580 And we had Marcus DelPR who's the godfather of Adele. 208 00:13:00,580 --> 00:13:01,580 It's simple. 209 00:13:01,580 --> 00:13:08,340 It comes down to is there's, there's just nine enough, well, one, it comes down to coaching, 210 00:13:08,340 --> 00:13:09,340 right? 211 00:13:09,340 --> 00:13:13,380 Coaching hasn't been solidified in a sense of there's a pathway. 212 00:13:13,380 --> 00:13:14,380 That's the problem. 213 00:13:14,380 --> 00:13:19,300 And again, this is what comes from their mouth to my ears to you is that there's nine 214 00:13:19,300 --> 00:13:21,660 enough of a pathway for structure. 215 00:13:21,660 --> 00:13:24,740 And then two is the infrastructure, right? 216 00:13:24,740 --> 00:13:29,460 And then the other part of governing body, USPA pickle balls are governing body for pickle 217 00:13:29,460 --> 00:13:30,460 ball. 218 00:13:30,460 --> 00:13:35,140 But yet the UPA is governing the PPA tour and the MLP. 219 00:13:35,140 --> 00:13:37,540 So it's a bigger problem than that. 220 00:13:37,540 --> 00:13:40,740 It's not, it's just not, it's not being regulated well. 221 00:13:40,740 --> 00:13:42,500 And again, it's just a, it's an opinion, right? 222 00:13:42,500 --> 00:13:47,580 It's not from USTA's mouth or anybody else is from what I've seen my research. 223 00:13:47,580 --> 00:13:51,300 And for what I've talked to the business leaders is that there's not a pathway. 224 00:13:51,300 --> 00:13:52,820 The structure isn't there. 225 00:13:52,820 --> 00:13:54,300 The demand is there. 226 00:13:54,300 --> 00:13:58,180 But then it's also the infrastructure like pickle ball courts are by being used by tennis 227 00:13:58,180 --> 00:14:00,380 course, because they're not being utilized. 228 00:14:00,380 --> 00:14:01,540 So that's the other problem. 229 00:14:01,540 --> 00:14:05,260 And tennis is that tennis is not utilizing the infrastructure that we have. 230 00:14:05,260 --> 00:14:07,020 So pickle balls invading. 231 00:14:07,020 --> 00:14:11,900 So with that said, it's going to be a bigger or a deal with the government body. 232 00:14:11,900 --> 00:14:16,220 And like I said, infrastructure and pathway and coaching, the big parts coaching tennis 233 00:14:16,220 --> 00:14:22,420 is been around long enough to have tradition and culture to have an establishment for coaching. 234 00:14:22,420 --> 00:14:24,060 We have a curriculum, right? 235 00:14:24,060 --> 00:14:25,060 We know what to do. 236 00:14:25,060 --> 00:14:27,260 There is a pathway for coaching. 237 00:14:27,260 --> 00:14:33,940 And unfortunately pickle ball just doesn't have the structure it needs to be able to grow 238 00:14:33,940 --> 00:14:38,340 because eventually you may have more players, but where's the revenue part of it? 239 00:14:38,340 --> 00:14:40,220 Like where's the infrastructure? 240 00:14:40,220 --> 00:14:45,380 So I don't know when pickle balls going to plateau for say, but I know that Padelle is 241 00:14:45,380 --> 00:14:47,180 very expensive to play. 242 00:14:47,180 --> 00:14:48,940 And there's a pathway for that as well. 243 00:14:48,940 --> 00:14:51,340 But overall, it's got to be changed. 244 00:14:51,340 --> 00:14:52,940 I might be agree with you. 245 00:14:52,940 --> 00:14:56,540 The point being is that are we going to first you've already said it, are we making the 246 00:14:56,540 --> 00:15:02,300 same mistakes that we made from a leadership perspective that we made in tennis being so 247 00:15:02,300 --> 00:15:08,980 how many different franchises trying to say, you know, whether it be USDA, RSPA, PTR, we 248 00:15:08,980 --> 00:15:12,660 already already alphabet soup and they were more back in the day. 249 00:15:12,660 --> 00:15:17,540 You know, learning from past errors, like you said, second of all, we got to be patient because 250 00:15:17,540 --> 00:15:23,300 the reality is we were a little disingenuous in the beginning, I'll just say RSPA with 251 00:15:23,300 --> 00:15:25,860 everybody go get pickle ball certified. 252 00:15:25,860 --> 00:15:28,820 Well, I've never played a moment of pickle ball in my life. 253 00:15:28,820 --> 00:15:32,940 And you're telling me because I can hold a tennis racket and have some proficiency there 254 00:15:32,940 --> 00:15:33,940 that this is going to be true. 255 00:15:33,940 --> 00:15:35,540 I don't feel good about that. 256 00:15:35,540 --> 00:15:36,540 There's intricacies. 257 00:15:36,540 --> 00:15:37,540 Yeah. 258 00:15:37,540 --> 00:15:38,540 We game. 259 00:15:38,540 --> 00:15:41,740 I'd be far more comfortable teaching that a pitch than teaching that a play pickle ball. 260 00:15:41,740 --> 00:15:43,660 Was it just things like that? 261 00:15:43,660 --> 00:15:48,780 And we rush to the opportunity, but we don't look at it from a long term perspective. 262 00:15:48,780 --> 00:15:53,540 As you said, if pickle balls really going to take a stand, it's going to be 20 years from 263 00:15:53,540 --> 00:15:59,100 now that we see it because we're going to have to see whether kids took up pickle ball 264 00:15:59,100 --> 00:16:01,500 and just took, like you said, a pickle ball path. 265 00:16:01,500 --> 00:16:06,460 Right now we have a bunch of former tennis players playing pickle ball and teaching pickle 266 00:16:06,460 --> 00:16:07,460 ball. 267 00:16:07,460 --> 00:16:08,460 Right. 268 00:16:08,460 --> 00:16:12,460 And I just picked up a, oh, you know, the pickle ball has been a long, a round long enough 269 00:16:12,460 --> 00:16:16,620 to sit there and say, yeah, I grew up as a junior pickle ball player. 270 00:16:16,620 --> 00:16:17,620 So it's different. 271 00:16:17,620 --> 00:16:22,060 You know, are we going to be patient and let's recognize the fact that it is different. 272 00:16:22,060 --> 00:16:25,220 And you know, and in the big part, even for the paddle, because we've heard another 273 00:16:25,220 --> 00:16:29,700 of the wonderful things about paddle and just the sound alone makes it far more popular 274 00:16:29,700 --> 00:16:35,660 with me than pickle ball, whatever be, but we've already made it to be to something different. 275 00:16:35,660 --> 00:16:40,900 And now you're going to turn down and, you know, be valentine, early at business man takes 276 00:16:40,900 --> 00:16:44,220 advantage and says, I'm going to put tip D on a pickle ball court. 277 00:16:44,220 --> 00:16:46,820 And so now there's two uses for a pickle ball court. 278 00:16:46,820 --> 00:16:52,340 So you know, yeah, I always get worried because there are tough decisions and that people don't 279 00:16:52,340 --> 00:16:55,420 want to seem to be able to make them sometime. 280 00:16:55,420 --> 00:16:56,420 I love the program. 281 00:16:56,420 --> 00:16:57,420 I love the idea. 282 00:16:57,420 --> 00:16:58,420 That's what I want. 283 00:16:58,420 --> 00:17:01,180 And we always say this, let's tennis go outside of tennis. 284 00:17:01,180 --> 00:17:05,940 Go get some ideas, you know, go get Mark Cuban, get the shark tanks. 285 00:17:05,940 --> 00:17:09,980 You know, big shark tank fan, everybody thinks, oh, let's get, you know, I want to pay 286 00:17:09,980 --> 00:17:11,500 all to the market, you're the market. 287 00:17:11,500 --> 00:17:15,940 And at one time Mark Cuban said, now it's okay to have an exclusive product that asks for 288 00:17:15,940 --> 00:17:16,940 too much money. 289 00:17:16,940 --> 00:17:17,940 There's something to be said. 290 00:17:17,940 --> 00:17:21,500 And you're like, okay, that's a different train of thought, which is a good thing. 291 00:17:21,500 --> 00:17:27,300 That I just want different chains of thought than other than who was the last CEO at Wilson, 292 00:17:27,300 --> 00:17:29,780 who was the last one who ran this. 293 00:17:29,780 --> 00:17:30,940 We know all those guys. 294 00:17:30,940 --> 00:17:38,140 I want to know the guys, you know, W, what is W of E now, who, you know, still houses on 295 00:17:38,140 --> 00:17:41,820 an event with everybody knows the outcome has been predetermined. 296 00:17:41,820 --> 00:17:43,860 Yet people still dull because there's a story. 297 00:17:43,860 --> 00:17:44,860 Yeah. 298 00:17:44,860 --> 00:17:47,780 No, I mean, I agree. 299 00:17:47,780 --> 00:17:51,020 I feel like, I just kind of thought about this. 300 00:17:51,020 --> 00:17:55,060 What tennis has done well is we have a grassroots program, right? 301 00:17:55,060 --> 00:17:59,580 We have nonprofits who all are all about the grassroots program. 302 00:17:59,580 --> 00:18:04,940 The problem with this again is in my opinion, but Delary has a grassroots program, but it's 303 00:18:04,940 --> 00:18:05,940 still growing. 304 00:18:05,940 --> 00:18:09,420 And if you think about Pickleball, it really kind of doesn't have one. 305 00:18:09,420 --> 00:18:12,540 It really grew out because it supplied a man, right? 306 00:18:12,540 --> 00:18:15,100 Adults wanted to play it, became huge. 307 00:18:15,100 --> 00:18:16,660 The tour guy established. 308 00:18:16,660 --> 00:18:19,740 There's people fighting for the tour. 309 00:18:19,740 --> 00:18:22,620 Really what it comes down to, Pickleball is there's really no grassroots program. 310 00:18:22,620 --> 00:18:24,060 There's no junior development program. 311 00:18:24,060 --> 00:18:29,980 So how do you get people to buy something that's not really established yet, which is what 312 00:18:29,980 --> 00:18:31,220 Sarah Ann's bear is doing. 313 00:18:31,220 --> 00:18:32,700 She's trying to build grassroots. 314 00:18:32,700 --> 00:18:36,580 And I would honestly, if you really want to get more information, I would really ask her 315 00:18:36,580 --> 00:18:42,340 to invite her to your podcast and ask her about Pickleball or ask Marcus Dill PR about 316 00:18:42,340 --> 00:18:46,540 the Dell because he is the Godfather of Pickle or Padel in the US. 317 00:18:46,540 --> 00:18:48,460 And then I was in the entire world. 318 00:18:48,460 --> 00:18:53,900 So I mean, he has the biggest name and sense of where do you see Padel going? 319 00:18:53,900 --> 00:18:56,780 And he would be another good resource reach out to him. 320 00:18:56,780 --> 00:19:00,900 Oh, and again, I think there's room for every one of them. 321 00:19:00,900 --> 00:19:09,220 I just wonder is tennis zing up too much of its clout promoting other things when the 322 00:19:09,220 --> 00:19:12,580 focus should still be on a little bit more. 323 00:19:12,580 --> 00:19:19,300 With USDA is making a huge move getting into the coaching aspect of it, which again, I think 324 00:19:19,300 --> 00:19:20,580 is a good move. 325 00:19:20,580 --> 00:19:26,500 Let's concentrate there rather than be all things to all people, which is of losing about 326 00:19:26,500 --> 00:19:32,020 because there's always going to be somebody who's got it, you know, the antithesis opinion. 327 00:19:32,020 --> 00:19:34,020 We know that's all the good. 328 00:19:34,020 --> 00:19:37,340 What are we talking about in the forum? 329 00:19:37,340 --> 00:19:39,580 Are we looking at this realistically? 330 00:19:39,580 --> 00:19:40,580 Are we looking at this? 331 00:19:40,580 --> 00:19:42,460 Are we just saying, hey, go gung hold. 332 00:19:42,460 --> 00:19:46,500 We're just going to sit the wall and then figure it out, which again, history says we have 333 00:19:46,500 --> 00:19:47,500 a tendency to do that. 334 00:19:47,500 --> 00:19:49,460 I just look at tennis right now. 335 00:19:49,460 --> 00:19:51,700 What's being played is on parallel. 336 00:19:51,700 --> 00:19:54,860 The players involved are the best. 337 00:19:54,860 --> 00:19:58,100 I mean, we're finally at a point where we have tier one athletes. 338 00:19:58,100 --> 00:20:01,980 I would say worldwide, obviously, playing this sport. 339 00:20:01,980 --> 00:20:07,260 I would love to see that come to the United States where we get the tier one athletes 340 00:20:07,260 --> 00:20:12,260 playing tennis because tennis is amazing right now with what's being played. 341 00:20:12,260 --> 00:20:16,500 You could go even further if we change things a little bit. 342 00:20:16,500 --> 00:20:17,500 Should we do that? 343 00:20:17,500 --> 00:20:18,500 Yeah. 344 00:20:18,500 --> 00:20:19,500 Yeah. 345 00:20:19,500 --> 00:20:22,380 So, I can say this. 346 00:20:22,380 --> 00:20:28,100 Everyone from Simon Gale to Dr. Call Davies, there's a vision at USDA and an division for 347 00:20:28,100 --> 00:20:29,940 USA Coaching. 348 00:20:29,940 --> 00:20:34,160 And the gold, like, then my guess, when's the last time you went through a certification 349 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,820 course where wheelchair tennis was part of it? 350 00:20:37,820 --> 00:20:42,060 So my certification course for USA Coaching is I think it will to certified. 351 00:20:42,060 --> 00:20:43,060 It's a requirement. 352 00:20:43,060 --> 00:20:49,220 It makes you think of a coach how to be inclusive to all things. 353 00:20:49,220 --> 00:20:53,060 It's people for adults, to children, to adaptive tennis. 354 00:20:53,060 --> 00:20:57,140 Like, I've done adaptive tennis and adaptive tennis or that's a pickleball as well. 355 00:20:57,140 --> 00:21:03,420 So, USDA Coaching is trying to expand beyond just the regular coaching pipeline. 356 00:21:03,420 --> 00:21:07,140 We're trying to expand into all inclusivity, all of it. 357 00:21:07,140 --> 00:21:12,100 And that's why I love about is that, you know, why not have the best professional adaptive 358 00:21:12,100 --> 00:21:13,100 players? 359 00:21:13,100 --> 00:21:16,700 Why not have the best professional wheelchair players in our programs? 360 00:21:16,700 --> 00:21:17,700 Why not grow that? 361 00:21:17,700 --> 00:21:18,700 I can go back. 362 00:21:18,700 --> 00:21:25,420 We could any of that by point being, if you are an accountant, I don't need you to do marketing. 363 00:21:25,420 --> 00:21:26,420 Yeah. 364 00:21:26,420 --> 00:21:29,580 What you're talking about, you're a businessman now. 365 00:21:29,580 --> 00:21:31,740 And this is what I'm getting at. 366 00:21:31,740 --> 00:21:35,460 Is that, are we teaching this in the profession of that you're a better tennis player than 367 00:21:35,460 --> 00:21:36,460 everybody else? 368 00:21:36,460 --> 00:21:40,580 Or are we teaching this from the fact that we want you to be a better, better businessman? 369 00:21:40,580 --> 00:21:48,380 If I'm you, I'm going to go higher, the best wheelchair professional I can find. 370 00:21:48,380 --> 00:21:53,660 And I'm going to go higher, and I'm going to trust them, but their knowledge and their 371 00:21:53,660 --> 00:22:00,620 background is if we're using your resources the best, if we're making you exposed to everything. 372 00:22:00,620 --> 00:22:03,620 Because I think this is the way we teach in this country, we're afraid to commit to 373 00:22:03,620 --> 00:22:05,980 one thing and say, this is what I'm good at. 374 00:22:05,980 --> 00:22:07,460 And there's nothing wrong with that. 375 00:22:07,460 --> 00:22:09,700 Why don't we say, this is what I'm good at. 376 00:22:09,700 --> 00:22:10,980 I'm a great manager of people. 377 00:22:10,980 --> 00:22:14,340 I'm going to surround myself with the best people. 378 00:22:14,340 --> 00:22:19,220 And I don't need to know as a thing about pickable because that's what I have this gentleman 379 00:22:19,220 --> 00:22:20,220 for. 380 00:22:20,220 --> 00:22:21,220 That's all that. 381 00:22:21,220 --> 00:22:25,740 That's, again, that's why I always get nervous with these things because no other place 382 00:22:25,740 --> 00:22:27,540 operates like this. 383 00:22:27,540 --> 00:22:31,420 If you're a doctor, if you're an orthopedic surgeon, they don't tell you all of this 384 00:22:31,420 --> 00:22:33,420 and to go into cardiology. 385 00:22:33,420 --> 00:22:35,420 No, you don't do it. 386 00:22:35,420 --> 00:22:39,420 We're not good on the surgeon state being an orthopedic surgeon. 387 00:22:39,420 --> 00:22:40,420 I don't know. 388 00:22:40,420 --> 00:22:46,940 I would say, yeah, no, I think, well, play this. 389 00:22:46,940 --> 00:22:50,780 So I know with us who coaching, they're still rolling out more of their programs. 390 00:22:50,780 --> 00:22:52,540 There's a program for high performance. 391 00:22:52,540 --> 00:22:55,500 There's a program for actual business management. 392 00:22:55,500 --> 00:22:58,060 There's a program for adult development. 393 00:22:58,060 --> 00:23:03,820 There's different pipelines, USTAs trying to develop different opportunities in tennis. 394 00:23:03,820 --> 00:23:08,300 So if you want to be a business manager, if you want to do a GM, there's a pipeline for 395 00:23:08,300 --> 00:23:10,460 that coming out in the next few years. 396 00:23:10,460 --> 00:23:12,900 So everything you're saying is accurate. 397 00:23:12,900 --> 00:23:15,340 USTA coaching is developing it as we speak. 398 00:23:15,340 --> 00:23:17,660 It just hasn't been not done yet. 399 00:23:17,660 --> 00:23:20,500 Well, I think that's what's great about that. 400 00:23:20,500 --> 00:23:27,180 If I can share one, I think the other idea we need to be reminded of is that you're in 401 00:23:27,180 --> 00:23:31,140 a two year fully immersive program. 402 00:23:31,140 --> 00:23:39,540 So the rest of us got certified over a weekend while we had other jobs and we had a full-time 403 00:23:39,540 --> 00:23:40,540 job. 404 00:23:40,540 --> 00:23:43,420 So we only learned so much. 405 00:23:43,420 --> 00:23:44,500 And I can do the same thing. 406 00:23:44,500 --> 00:23:46,660 I can find what I'm good at, which I did. 407 00:23:46,660 --> 00:23:51,300 And then I put all my resources into learning as much of that as possible because Bobby and 408 00:23:51,300 --> 00:23:56,860 I can specify what we do because we have to run the full-time job. 409 00:23:56,860 --> 00:24:00,220 Most coaches have to do it that way. 410 00:24:00,220 --> 00:24:05,860 Now that's what I was curious from a doctor's degree level point of view. 411 00:24:05,860 --> 00:24:10,940 We want to be able to understand that this is two years that you have. 412 00:24:10,940 --> 00:24:17,380 It's not a big chunk of that time frame to spend an entire week learning one aspect like 413 00:24:17,380 --> 00:24:20,420 adaptive or wheelchair specifically. 414 00:24:20,420 --> 00:24:26,740 You spend a whole week on it where most people might get 20 minutes as part of their certification 415 00:24:26,740 --> 00:24:30,740 on a weekend that says, "Oh yeah, and sometimes we play tennis in a wheelchair." 416 00:24:30,740 --> 00:24:34,020 So I think there's so much that you're going to learn. 417 00:24:34,020 --> 00:24:39,220 You're in such a unique position down there, which answers that why are you unique question 418 00:24:39,220 --> 00:24:45,700 which we always ask because you get so much over two years and they're paying. 419 00:24:45,700 --> 00:24:47,300 This is a pay gig. 420 00:24:47,300 --> 00:24:48,580 You're living down there. 421 00:24:48,580 --> 00:24:50,580 This is full-time. 422 00:24:50,580 --> 00:24:53,020 You've got to separate yourself from your wife. 423 00:24:53,020 --> 00:24:55,460 You've got to immerse yourself in this whole thing. 424 00:24:55,460 --> 00:25:04,060 So I think, yes, to piggyback on Bobby's concerns, which is, "Are you going to be specialized?" 425 00:25:04,060 --> 00:25:10,820 In this case, after two full years, you're going to be specialized in the entire industry. 426 00:25:10,820 --> 00:25:15,220 At that point, you should be able to run a club and then say, "I know how to hire the right 427 00:25:15,220 --> 00:25:16,220 adaptive person." 428 00:25:16,220 --> 00:25:21,940 Or, "I know what to look for in my accountant and my marketing and someone to focus on 429 00:25:21,940 --> 00:25:23,140 budgeting." 430 00:25:23,140 --> 00:25:27,460 I'm just hoping, "Is it down there, drinking from the fire hose?" 431 00:25:27,460 --> 00:25:29,620 Well, let's play this. 432 00:25:29,620 --> 00:25:39,540 So, USTA coaching is trying to, I'll say this, they're trying to mimic the ITF. 433 00:25:39,540 --> 00:25:43,660 The ITF certification workshop isn't eight hours long. 434 00:25:43,660 --> 00:25:46,980 So week long, days long, hours long. 435 00:25:46,980 --> 00:25:51,700 So the other part is it's not because I'm just going to be specialized. 436 00:25:51,700 --> 00:25:59,340 To also coach and teach my staff to teach and how to run programming. 437 00:25:59,340 --> 00:26:04,740 And so, the thing with USTA coaching, it's not about me, to get ahead of forehand. 438 00:26:04,740 --> 00:26:07,740 It's me showing you how to run a class. 439 00:26:07,740 --> 00:26:11,020 Teaching you, "Hey, we have an odd number of seven players. 440 00:26:11,020 --> 00:26:12,420 How do you do rotations?" 441 00:26:12,420 --> 00:26:13,420 Right? 442 00:26:13,420 --> 00:26:15,380 We're talking about stop show, go. 443 00:26:15,380 --> 00:26:20,700 How can I give seven people instructions and not make it a five minute long conversation? 444 00:26:20,700 --> 00:26:22,340 We ended out within 30 seconds. 445 00:26:22,340 --> 00:26:23,340 This is what we're doing. 446 00:26:23,340 --> 00:26:24,340 We're going to stop. 447 00:26:24,340 --> 00:26:26,380 I'm going to show you what we're doing. 448 00:26:26,380 --> 00:26:28,100 And then I'm going to ask you questions. 449 00:26:28,100 --> 00:26:29,260 And then we're going to go. 450 00:26:29,260 --> 00:26:30,260 Right? 451 00:26:30,260 --> 00:26:33,180 That's the thing is like, "Cork, dot a call gives me a good point." 452 00:26:33,180 --> 00:26:36,540 Problem with coaching is, we spend 55 minutes doing a lesson. 453 00:26:36,540 --> 00:26:38,540 Let's say a group lesson, right? 454 00:26:38,540 --> 00:26:43,180 40 about five minutes we give on just talking. 455 00:26:43,180 --> 00:26:47,460 So that means that the lesson really is if 55 minutes long, it's pretty much long. 456 00:26:47,460 --> 00:26:52,900 And so the idea is to make sure that I lose program is that I can help that other coaches 457 00:26:52,900 --> 00:26:59,020 develop because another part of our program is that is developing the next leaders. 458 00:26:59,020 --> 00:27:05,740 How can I teach them what I know in a small group, a private with juniors, with odd numbers, 459 00:27:05,740 --> 00:27:09,100 with 12 members, with 8 members, with 6 members? 460 00:27:09,100 --> 00:27:13,900 Because when was the last thing you went to a workshop where I talked to you on how 461 00:27:13,900 --> 00:27:15,780 to do rotations? 462 00:27:15,780 --> 00:27:19,420 And when the last thing they talked to you how to do a large group. 463 00:27:19,420 --> 00:27:20,420 December 6th, Bobbing. 464 00:27:20,420 --> 00:27:22,820 We had somebody working on that. 465 00:27:22,820 --> 00:27:27,300 And I know I'm getting into weeds here Warren, but are they really telling you that while 466 00:27:27,300 --> 00:27:32,660 you're talking, that's taking away from the lesson, meaning Bob, he's going to completely 467 00:27:32,660 --> 00:27:33,660 disagree with you. 468 00:27:33,660 --> 00:27:38,500 If you're going to tell him that him speaking doesn't count toward lesson time and that 469 00:27:38,500 --> 00:27:44,700 five minutes of you talking throughout your 55 minute lesson, if I take only 10% of it 470 00:27:44,700 --> 00:27:48,020 and speak, that's the actual information you're getting. 471 00:27:48,020 --> 00:27:49,300 That's part of the lesson. 472 00:27:49,300 --> 00:27:50,580 That's part of the classroom. 473 00:27:50,580 --> 00:27:52,540 That's part of the learning. 474 00:27:52,540 --> 00:27:53,940 Just hitting balls. 475 00:27:53,940 --> 00:27:54,940 That's not a lesson. 476 00:27:54,940 --> 00:27:56,180 You just go get a ball machine. 477 00:27:56,180 --> 00:27:57,420 What's the point of having the coach? 478 00:27:57,420 --> 00:28:00,780 Well, if you're going to tell me I can't spend time to coach. 479 00:28:00,780 --> 00:28:01,780 What's a good point? 480 00:28:01,780 --> 00:28:05,140 So, what we believe at USH is called Hit Fast. 481 00:28:05,140 --> 00:28:10,300 The whole point is make your coaching clear in concise. 482 00:28:10,300 --> 00:28:11,500 Get to the point. 483 00:28:11,500 --> 00:28:16,140 Without the instructions and have progressions and regressions. 484 00:28:16,140 --> 00:28:18,580 How do you get better at teaching tennis or hitting ball? 485 00:28:18,580 --> 00:28:20,020 How do you get better at playing tennis? 486 00:28:20,020 --> 00:28:21,340 By talking or hitting. 487 00:28:21,340 --> 00:28:23,620 You get more balls, right? 488 00:28:23,620 --> 00:28:27,380 We also try to add a tactic with a technique. 489 00:28:27,380 --> 00:28:29,700 Everything has a purpose. 490 00:28:29,700 --> 00:28:34,380 I'm not saying talk for five minutes saying you can talk, but get your point across. 491 00:28:34,380 --> 00:28:37,060 What is it that you want to emphasize? 492 00:28:37,060 --> 00:28:43,460 Because you got to realize that even for a child or adult, the attention span, listen, after 493 00:28:43,460 --> 00:28:44,780 a minute you've lost me. 494 00:28:44,780 --> 00:28:46,620 What is it that you want me to do? 495 00:28:46,620 --> 00:28:48,620 Show me what you want me to do. 496 00:28:48,620 --> 00:28:50,100 You got to tell me to show me. 497 00:28:50,100 --> 00:28:51,100 Yeah. 498 00:28:51,100 --> 00:28:53,660 If you want to show me, we're going to do surplus one. 499 00:28:53,660 --> 00:28:54,660 Show me it. 500 00:28:54,660 --> 00:28:55,660 You got to tell me about it. 501 00:28:55,660 --> 00:28:58,900 You can show me while you're talking about it and we can move on. 502 00:28:58,900 --> 00:29:03,060 So, that's what USH coach and you guys taught me is, again, a lot of this I've already 503 00:29:03,060 --> 00:29:05,420 knew, but some I didn't know. 504 00:29:05,420 --> 00:29:10,300 All this does is add more tools to my toolbox on how to coach and how to place. 505 00:29:10,300 --> 00:29:11,300 That's what you get me wrong. 506 00:29:11,300 --> 00:29:16,020 I'm a big, and it's show tell do is my mantra. 507 00:29:16,020 --> 00:29:19,060 I completely agree with you on that. 508 00:29:19,060 --> 00:29:22,500 My point would be you want to learn how you're talking too much. 509 00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:27,340 When you see four of your students moving their strings, you're talking too much, right? 510 00:29:27,340 --> 00:29:29,660 I mean, they're, they're wounds. 511 00:29:29,660 --> 00:29:34,380 And again, this is a bigger conversation. 512 00:29:34,380 --> 00:29:37,860 We've been coaching tennis for how long now? 513 00:29:37,860 --> 00:29:38,860 As an industry. 514 00:29:38,860 --> 00:29:39,860 100 years. 515 00:29:39,860 --> 00:29:40,860 Long time. 516 00:29:40,860 --> 00:29:41,860 Yeah, 100 years, right? 517 00:29:41,860 --> 00:29:49,140 100 years in and now all of a sudden we decided this was a good idea to develop. 518 00:29:49,140 --> 00:29:51,900 That's where my cynicism comes from. 519 00:29:51,900 --> 00:29:53,540 Better late than never, Bobby. 520 00:29:53,540 --> 00:29:54,540 Better late than that. 521 00:29:54,540 --> 00:29:55,540 That's how I feel. 522 00:29:55,540 --> 00:29:57,060 Again, I love the program. 523 00:29:57,060 --> 00:29:58,060 Like I said, and I. 524 00:29:58,060 --> 00:30:02,860 There's a lot of things, you know, or I think the failing is, I think it's unfortunate is 525 00:30:02,860 --> 00:30:09,620 that we don't get in front of the, the, the students enough and tell them what we do. 526 00:30:09,620 --> 00:30:14,860 They understand why we don't break this down and talk because although you want to hear 527 00:30:14,860 --> 00:30:18,580 and you need something right now, I have five people behind you fiddling with their strings 528 00:30:18,580 --> 00:30:21,340 looking at their shoes, telling me they're very bored. 529 00:30:21,340 --> 00:30:22,580 They want to move on. 530 00:30:22,580 --> 00:30:26,700 So you know, these are things, I think, as an industry where we have not done a great 531 00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:27,700 job. 532 00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:33,860 And again, I look for how, where is the leadership of the industry support helping me? 533 00:30:33,860 --> 00:30:40,100 And if we're doing this, which I think is great 100 years in, it opens up a lot of holes 534 00:30:40,100 --> 00:30:45,260 for arguments where again, okay, now you're making your warrant of warrant a great tennis player. 535 00:30:45,260 --> 00:30:47,380 We're making a pick up all player. 536 00:30:47,380 --> 00:30:48,380 He's a great tennis player. 537 00:30:48,380 --> 00:30:50,860 Why would I not want him to be a great tennis coach? 538 00:30:50,860 --> 00:30:55,140 Yeah, understand pick up all yes, understand the rules because he's going to have to hire 539 00:30:55,140 --> 00:30:59,060 somebody, but do I need warrant to be a great pick up all player? 540 00:30:59,060 --> 00:31:02,700 No, I think that's a great resources. 541 00:31:02,700 --> 00:31:03,860 That's all. 542 00:31:03,860 --> 00:31:09,860 I think we could, I'd rather get a warrant figure out, let's be on the edge of technology. 543 00:31:09,860 --> 00:31:13,740 Let's develop more things that, you know, messaging because there are certain, we all 544 00:31:13,740 --> 00:31:17,740 though there are a lot of holes in the industry as far as getting messages out. 545 00:31:17,740 --> 00:31:18,940 How do we improve that? 546 00:31:18,940 --> 00:31:22,340 You know, where is AI in this factor in? 547 00:31:22,340 --> 00:31:29,260 So the on court stuff, staying in it long enough, you're going to get your masters degree because 548 00:31:29,260 --> 00:31:30,900 you're going to lose business. 549 00:31:30,900 --> 00:31:34,760 Economies of scale, I mean, you know, supply and demand, I'll tell you, okay, I'm not in 550 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:35,760 demand right now. 551 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,000 What about doing wrong? 552 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,460 So you're going to make some changes. 553 00:31:39,460 --> 00:31:44,580 Like I said, I might buy, I want this to be what it, what it could be, what it should 554 00:31:44,580 --> 00:31:45,580 be. 555 00:31:45,580 --> 00:31:47,100 And you know, STA is doing it. 556 00:31:47,100 --> 00:31:52,940 So if you're the doctorate, what is the, the RSPA doing with Florida? 557 00:31:52,940 --> 00:31:55,420 They're masters of, you know, that's what I'm saying. 558 00:31:55,420 --> 00:31:59,820 Again, I don't expect you to know, I'm just saying the messages we're sending with all 559 00:31:59,820 --> 00:32:02,140 these layers of different programming. 560 00:32:02,140 --> 00:32:06,800 If this is the programming in the, in the USDA is the governing body of this country in 561 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:13,100 tennis, say, this is where we expect you to pick our pros from because most educated 562 00:32:13,100 --> 00:32:18,380 the most qualified and take a stand, which means you're going to tick off 15,000 people in 563 00:32:18,380 --> 00:32:21,340 the RSPA, people in the PTR. 564 00:32:21,340 --> 00:32:24,420 But for the long term, is that better for the game? 565 00:32:24,420 --> 00:32:25,420 Yeah. 566 00:32:25,420 --> 00:32:31,700 So this is, again, I cannot speak for Florida in their program, right? 567 00:32:31,700 --> 00:32:34,340 I can only tell you what we do, right? 568 00:32:34,340 --> 00:32:35,660 I get to the difference right now. 569 00:32:35,660 --> 00:32:38,220 They're not in the court teaching 20 hours a week. 570 00:32:38,220 --> 00:32:39,540 They're not getting paid. 571 00:32:39,540 --> 00:32:43,060 They're not in front of the male and business that we are in front of. 572 00:32:43,060 --> 00:32:44,500 Now, is there education less than ours? 573 00:32:44,500 --> 00:32:45,500 No, absolutely not. 574 00:32:45,500 --> 00:32:46,500 I'm not saying that at one bit. 575 00:32:46,500 --> 00:32:51,740 You know, the difference is it's that it's the amount of education you get from coaching. 576 00:32:51,740 --> 00:32:58,700 If I was at USDA for two years, just to learn out of the industry, I could do that online 577 00:32:58,700 --> 00:32:59,700 too. 578 00:32:59,700 --> 00:33:08,060 But you're getting what, what USDA wants from this is to build every year eight new coaches, 579 00:33:08,060 --> 00:33:09,060 right? 580 00:33:09,060 --> 00:33:13,860 And the state plus eight is to continue to grow the coaching philosophy at the Eastern 581 00:33:13,860 --> 00:33:14,860 National Campus. 582 00:33:14,860 --> 00:33:19,900 I can tell you right now that all major coaching, USDA National Campus is a beast of its own. 583 00:33:19,900 --> 00:33:24,620 It is, it's not like anything I've ever seen before. 584 00:33:24,620 --> 00:33:31,420 It's crazy how much, how many people you see every week or every day or every month, 585 00:33:31,420 --> 00:33:33,300 how we had a big 10 tournament. 586 00:33:33,300 --> 00:33:39,460 We had the, well, we had a W 15 for both men's and women's pro circuit and a big 10s, all the 587 00:33:39,460 --> 00:33:40,460 same time. 588 00:33:40,460 --> 00:33:41,780 How many people can say that? 589 00:33:41,780 --> 00:33:46,500 How many people can say you're coaching while you are still in the middle of having programming 590 00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:48,060 and having some guts? 591 00:33:48,060 --> 00:33:52,140 So the program that used to be special and it's unique. 592 00:33:52,140 --> 00:33:56,500 And again, I'm not saying that you can't get the same experience, but the coaching and the 593 00:33:56,500 --> 00:34:02,500 programming and the, when you leave here, like it's before, it's to add more tools to the 594 00:34:02,500 --> 00:34:03,500 box. 595 00:34:03,500 --> 00:34:06,020 I'm not saying that PTR or RSPA doesn't do anything. 596 00:34:06,020 --> 00:34:07,340 I'm not saying at all. 597 00:34:07,340 --> 00:34:10,260 It's all educational tools for learning and how to coach. 598 00:34:10,260 --> 00:34:17,380 However, I would say USDA coaching has redefined my way of programming. 599 00:34:17,380 --> 00:34:18,380 That's it. 600 00:34:18,380 --> 00:34:19,700 It's just programming. 601 00:34:19,700 --> 00:34:23,900 And it's with butch staples and Craig Jones in the court with us. 602 00:34:23,900 --> 00:34:30,300 I could say this is some long days and it is phenomenal and how in depth these coaches 603 00:34:30,300 --> 00:34:33,020 can get into and how much learning you get. 604 00:34:33,020 --> 00:34:34,020 Legends. 605 00:34:34,020 --> 00:34:35,020 That's my point. 606 00:34:35,020 --> 00:34:39,740 What I'm trying to say to the world here is that when Warren becomes available out of this 607 00:34:39,740 --> 00:34:45,340 program, there should be a bidding war because you have gone above and beyond. 608 00:34:45,340 --> 00:34:50,140 And I don't think that should be something the USDA or anybody else who develops this 609 00:34:50,140 --> 00:34:53,300 program should be shy about saying. 610 00:34:53,300 --> 00:34:55,980 Agress questions and we'll continue to have them. 611 00:34:55,980 --> 00:35:00,940 But at this point, I want to jump to our King of Tennis question, Warren, which you know 612 00:35:00,940 --> 00:35:01,940 is coming. 613 00:35:01,940 --> 00:35:03,780 So hopefully you put some thought into it. 614 00:35:03,780 --> 00:35:10,180 And we would ask whether it's the entire world or just the United States or just whatever 615 00:35:10,180 --> 00:35:14,740 professionals, social, whatever level you want to consider it. 616 00:35:14,740 --> 00:35:22,300 If you were King of Tennis, is there anything you would do or change? 617 00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:24,180 I mean, I thought this for a while. 618 00:35:24,180 --> 00:35:29,260 And the one thing I've learned from this program is the big thing is everyone has a different 619 00:35:29,260 --> 00:35:31,060 governing body, right? 620 00:35:31,060 --> 00:35:35,420 And I'm going to focus on the US alone because that's all I can really control is where I 621 00:35:35,420 --> 00:35:36,420 live. 622 00:35:36,420 --> 00:35:41,660 The thing I want to change about tennis is the stigma that this sport is just for wealthy 623 00:35:41,660 --> 00:35:42,660 people. 624 00:35:42,660 --> 00:35:43,820 I can't afford it. 625 00:35:43,820 --> 00:35:45,100 It's not affordable for me. 626 00:35:45,100 --> 00:35:47,300 I have no access to it. 627 00:35:47,300 --> 00:35:53,380 The most humbling experience I've had is learning about parks and rec and a 501c3. 628 00:35:53,380 --> 00:36:00,420 That there's organizations, there's coaches who are out there to grow the grassroots of 629 00:36:00,420 --> 00:36:02,020 the sport. 630 00:36:02,020 --> 00:36:08,420 If I was King for the day, I wouldn't make it that every kid, every adult had access to 631 00:36:08,420 --> 00:36:11,620 the sport everywhere, right? 632 00:36:11,620 --> 00:36:17,340 And I would make it where they get a free racket, they get balls, they get lessons. 633 00:36:17,340 --> 00:36:18,580 Period. 634 00:36:18,580 --> 00:36:19,700 Because this is them. 635 00:36:19,700 --> 00:36:22,340 This is them one of the most amazing sports you can play. 636 00:36:22,340 --> 00:36:27,580 It gives you out of problem solve, it gives you adversity, it gives you things to have 637 00:36:27,580 --> 00:36:32,660 on multitask, it builds relationships with other kids and adults. 638 00:36:32,660 --> 00:36:36,180 I mean, what sport gives you that ability? 639 00:36:36,180 --> 00:36:43,660 I mean, no, it's tennis is a very open sport where it's constantly having to adjust and 640 00:36:43,660 --> 00:36:45,460 adapt. 641 00:36:45,460 --> 00:36:47,140 And that would be my rule. 642 00:36:47,140 --> 00:36:52,420 If I was King, I would make it affordable and give it a stigma. 643 00:36:52,420 --> 00:36:54,340 Tennis is for everyone. 644 00:36:54,340 --> 00:36:56,260 It's inclusive for anyone. 645 00:36:56,260 --> 00:36:58,860 Adaptive wheelchair doesn't matter. 646 00:36:58,860 --> 00:36:59,860 You're a sex or race. 647 00:36:59,860 --> 00:37:02,420 It's everyone's you playing tennis. 648 00:37:02,420 --> 00:37:07,100 That would be my tie-in, I guess being a tie-in or a king, making it accessible for everyone. 649 00:37:07,100 --> 00:37:09,820 And then, you know, if I had the money, go for it. 650 00:37:09,820 --> 00:37:13,460 That's why I believe 35, 35, 35. 651 00:37:13,460 --> 00:37:18,500 That's not a dream is a possibility and that's what UST is working towards. 652 00:37:18,500 --> 00:37:20,500 And I'm all for it. 653 00:37:20,500 --> 00:37:21,500 Bobby? 654 00:37:21,500 --> 00:37:23,820 Well, you know, I'm the same way. 655 00:37:23,820 --> 00:37:26,260 I think the way we go about things as backwards. 656 00:37:26,260 --> 00:37:28,460 I love the idea of, I'm the poor kid. 657 00:37:28,460 --> 00:37:29,460 My dad was a longshoreman. 658 00:37:29,460 --> 00:37:32,140 The last sport we thought I was ever going to play was tennis. 659 00:37:32,140 --> 00:37:33,140 And it's great. 660 00:37:33,140 --> 00:37:39,140 And to build on what Warren said, and you live nine years longer because the participation 661 00:37:39,140 --> 00:37:43,040 in the game and it has everything to do with the physicality as well as the problem 662 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,320 of solving associated with the game to keep your mental. 663 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:47,320 It is. 664 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:48,320 It's tragic. 665 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,680 And that's so much where my frustration comes in, I think, is that we're big, huge fans. 666 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:53,680 There's no question. 667 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:54,680 I want this. 668 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,520 I want everybody to experience this. 669 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,680 And, you know, I'm a jock. 670 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,360 I love all sports. 671 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:05,240 And I want people to appreciate tennis just like I appreciate tennis and basketball. 672 00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:07,480 Now, don't ask people how to be the Hawks last night. 673 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,480 I don't want to get into it. 674 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,840 But, you know, nonetheless, you know, it's. 675 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,000 It's a great game. 676 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,560 And I wanted to see them. 677 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,880 Glad this program is existing. 678 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,920 I have my question would be to the powers that be why did it take so long. 679 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,200 But I love the idea. 680 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,920 And let's not pussy foot around. 681 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,720 Let's say there's, are you dumb or are you hiring Warren Robinson? 682 00:38:29,720 --> 00:38:32,920 In the year when he comes out, there should be a war. 683 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:33,920 Who gets him? 684 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:34,920 That's it. 685 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,480 This is what you're looking for. 686 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,000 So let's stop trying to be nice to everybody. 687 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,800 And let's, let's make a stand, be a little tyrant and say, we have something that's 688 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,400 going to increase your life's nine years ago. 689 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,800 I call dibs on being Warren's agent. 690 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,960 I'm honored. 691 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:53,960 Thank you. 692 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:54,960 I call dibs. 693 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:55,960 I'm your agent. 694 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:56,960 You have no choice. 695 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:57,960 It's coming. 696 00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:58,960 I'm coming for you. 697 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,320 Warren, I appreciate your time. 698 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:01,680 We both appreciate your time. 699 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:02,680 Thank you so much. 700 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:03,680 Bobby, as always. 701 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:04,680 Yeah. 702 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:05,680 Just real quick. 703 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:10,760 This is a person who served our country as well for many, many years. 704 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,480 I mean, it does. 705 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,120 Pluto is again to the USDA who they chose for this position. 706 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:17,600 Warren was very humble in this. 707 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,960 I've known Warren since I was a lot younger. 708 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,760 I don't know where he was at that person, but I did. 709 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,960 He had such a heavy ball that I hated hitting with them all the time because my shoulders 710 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,520 would ache for days. 711 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,480 But you know, this was a great choice on their part. 712 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:36,840 This is somebody who obviously is very passionate, but it's done so much before getting to 713 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,320 this point that he didn't even bring up. 714 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:44,840 So yes, there's even more reason why you want this person when he graduates. 715 00:39:44,840 --> 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