1 00:00:40,050 --> 00:00:41,790 Brittney Sherman: Hey, Scarlett autos. 2 00:00:42,269 --> 00:00:48,450 We are back for part two of Dennis Rader, the BTK killer, 3 00:00:48,810 --> 00:00:50,790 and you are joining us now. 4 00:00:50,879 --> 00:00:55,470 Thanks for listening, but we highly recommend you go back and listen 5 00:00:55,470 --> 00:01:02,910 to part one to hear about Dennis Raider's early life and his peak as 6 00:01:02,910 --> 00:01:05,340 the BTK killer Sonia, you want to get. 7 00:01:06,130 --> 00:01:10,050 A little preview of what some of our listeners may have missed in part 8 00:01:10,050 --> 00:01:10,290 Sonia Meza-Leon: one. 9 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:15,570 Uh, well, we talked about all of the murder. 10 00:01:16,380 --> 00:01:20,850 Uh, essentially that happened, uh, prior to murder number 11 00:01:20,850 --> 00:01:22,890 nine, which is Vicky Weatherly. 12 00:01:23,190 --> 00:01:28,229 Now I'm sure you guys know Dennis Rader was BTK or sort of 13 00:01:28,229 --> 00:01:32,610 pronounced himself BTK, which is the acronym for bind, torture kill. 14 00:01:32,970 --> 00:01:35,850 He killed 10 people between 1974 and 1991. 15 00:01:36,625 --> 00:01:43,495 So current day where we left off, we were talking about Vicki Lynn Weatherly. 16 00:01:43,765 --> 00:01:49,135 And this was a murder that occurred on September 16th, 1986. 17 00:01:49,555 --> 00:01:53,155 And Vicki when Julie was 28 years old, not 18 00:01:53,155 --> 00:01:57,745 Brittney Sherman: only was she 28, like many of his victims, tragically, 19 00:01:57,925 --> 00:02:00,595 she was also a mother of two. 20 00:02:00,955 --> 00:02:03,115 And, um, it was. 21 00:02:03,930 --> 00:02:09,210 Her beauty and her attention to her kids that first caught Dennis 22 00:02:09,210 --> 00:02:12,990 his eye as he began to stalk her. 23 00:02:12,990 --> 00:02:19,140 Like he did most of his victims before attacking almost like I kept imagining in 24 00:02:19,140 --> 00:02:24,000 my head and it's a terrible imagination, but like a Viper sucking its victim 25 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,790 before it lashes out at attacks. 26 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:29,010 Sonia Meza-Leon: So 27 00:02:29,850 --> 00:02:30,300 Brittney Sherman: he. 28 00:02:31,755 --> 00:02:40,575 As emo has shown us so far on September 16th, he posed as a telephone repair man. 29 00:02:40,605 --> 00:02:44,415 Like we have seen many times before that was a very popular thing for the 30 00:02:44,415 --> 00:02:50,595 Boston strangler to do, go check out that episode and he cut the telephone wires. 31 00:02:50,714 --> 00:02:53,385 Like he had done many, many times. 32 00:02:54,315 --> 00:02:58,635 You want to take it from here on this tragic events, leading up to Vicky. 33 00:03:00,345 --> 00:03:04,935 Sonia Meza-Leon: Well, let's talk a little bit about his trolling as he called it. 34 00:03:04,935 --> 00:03:10,935 And then he stocking that ensued when he plans on, on, on his, you 35 00:03:10,935 --> 00:03:14,774 know, essentially what he called his project, his projects and Vicky 36 00:03:14,774 --> 00:03:18,135 wedge, really in particularly he referred to her as the PJ project. 37 00:03:18,975 --> 00:03:22,545 Apparently, as you said, Vicky really caught Dennis Raiders. 38 00:03:22,545 --> 00:03:23,055 I. 39 00:03:24,180 --> 00:03:27,630 He said that he would walk by her house during the day to 40 00:03:27,630 --> 00:03:29,190 listen to her, play the piano 41 00:03:30,269 --> 00:03:31,200 Brittney Sherman: in a weird way. 42 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:36,690 That's kind of a sweet, creepy it's disturbing, but it's kind of 43 00:03:36,690 --> 00:03:37,170 Sonia Meza-Leon: sweet. 44 00:03:37,769 --> 00:03:39,630 I would not be playing the piano in the day anymore. 45 00:03:39,660 --> 00:03:43,230 I mean, think about like, just sort of step out of that bat 46 00:03:43,290 --> 00:03:46,799 out of that for a second sort of step out of that for a second. 47 00:03:48,045 --> 00:03:54,195 C an innocent situation where you have people walking by your house, you know, 48 00:03:54,195 --> 00:03:57,255 maybe they hear you play music and maybe they're like, oh, that's lovely. 49 00:03:57,525 --> 00:04:00,555 But to think that there's a serial killer walking right outside of 50 00:04:00,555 --> 00:04:04,425 your house, listening to your music that you're playing and becoming 51 00:04:04,425 --> 00:04:06,495 infatuated before you, you are. 52 00:04:06,855 --> 00:04:07,305 Yeah, no, no, of 53 00:04:07,305 --> 00:04:07,575 course 54 00:04:07,845 --> 00:04:08,715 Brittney Sherman: that's terrible. 55 00:04:08,775 --> 00:04:09,705 He's a serial killer. 56 00:04:09,735 --> 00:04:13,035 But like, if it was just like a normal person that enjoyed listening to 57 00:04:13,035 --> 00:04:15,645 someone, like my neighbor plays the PM. 58 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,520 Sometimes better than other times, but when he's playing it, well, 59 00:04:20,610 --> 00:04:22,260 I quite enjoy listening to it. 60 00:04:22,290 --> 00:04:22,710 It's 61 00:04:23,310 --> 00:04:24,270 Sonia Meza-Leon: nice respite. 62 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,690 Yeah, no, I get it in the normal world. 63 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:28,710 That would be lovely. 64 00:04:28,710 --> 00:04:32,580 But in my brain with, in serial killer world, 65 00:04:33,390 --> 00:04:34,680 Brittney Sherman: what we feel about him. 66 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,000 Sonia Meza-Leon: Well, but doesn't, I mean, to me, this makes me question 67 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:43,110 everyone, you know, unfortunately, because there are so many criminals out there 68 00:04:43,110 --> 00:04:46,620 in the world and we talk about them so frequently, you know, you start to get a 69 00:04:46,620 --> 00:04:52,260 little, you know, sort of curious about people who may or may not be around 70 00:04:52,260 --> 00:04:53,910 you all the time, who you think are. 71 00:04:54,495 --> 00:04:57,435 Incapable of crimes like these, that clearly are. 72 00:04:57,705 --> 00:04:59,925 So I guess that's what I was saying is the most disturbing part. 73 00:05:00,555 --> 00:05:03,555 It's disturbing to think how close he was to her, how 74 00:05:03,555 --> 00:05:05,055 frequently he was close to her. 75 00:05:05,295 --> 00:05:08,925 And how, I mean, he obviously studied this for quite a while. 76 00:05:08,925 --> 00:05:13,275 So as you said, you know, he dressed up as a telephone repairman. 77 00:05:13,455 --> 00:05:14,415 He went to her door. 78 00:05:14,685 --> 00:05:14,895 He. 79 00:05:15,690 --> 00:05:18,330 He, he, he kind of like styled this situation. 80 00:05:18,330 --> 00:05:21,690 Like he was walking from one house to another checking on all of them. 81 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,979 Um, and so that's what the impression was that he gave her was that he 82 00:05:25,979 --> 00:05:27,659 was checking everyone's lines. 83 00:05:27,900 --> 00:05:33,510 So, you know, again, at gunpoint, he goes into the bedroom, he ties her up, 84 00:05:33,810 --> 00:05:40,690 um, you know, She guess fought with him, causing him scratches and cuts. 85 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,320 You know, what's really interesting too, is I'd be wondering if Dennis Raiders kids 86 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:48,880 ever wondered why he had scratches and cuts if this happened on occasion, because 87 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,789 I think there was another occasion in one of these murders where someone had also 88 00:05:51,789 --> 00:05:54,310 scratched him naturally or maybe got him. 89 00:05:54,700 --> 00:05:58,150 So he gets a rope, you know, and he starts choking her to death. 90 00:05:58,570 --> 00:06:05,490 Um, again, He starts, he took photos of her in the different positions, you know, 91 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,800 sort of similar to what he had done. 92 00:06:07,830 --> 00:06:08,070 Yeah. 93 00:06:08,070 --> 00:06:10,950 Similar what he'd done before with the, the bondage positions, 94 00:06:11,430 --> 00:06:13,110 here's where it gets crappy. 95 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:19,560 Or this woman has a husband and she's got a toddler in the other room. 96 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,180 He toddlers too. 97 00:06:21,990 --> 00:06:27,270 So of course this is ours, you know, later I'm sure. 98 00:06:28,155 --> 00:06:32,534 Um, but what's real, you know, Dennis Rader wynand it looks like Dennis 99 00:06:32,534 --> 00:06:34,094 Rader went into the house at 10:00 AM. 100 00:06:34,335 --> 00:06:37,155 Sounds like the husband was coming home hours later. 101 00:06:37,395 --> 00:06:39,375 Um, and this is what's crazy. 102 00:06:39,914 --> 00:06:40,365 Oh, go ahead. 103 00:06:40,365 --> 00:06:40,844 Go ahead. 104 00:06:41,984 --> 00:06:44,354 Brittney Sherman: Well, it was, I actually don't think it was that much 105 00:06:44,354 --> 00:06:53,055 later because Dennis actually stole Vicki's car in her husband, saw the 106 00:06:53,055 --> 00:06:54,585 car driving in the opposite direction. 107 00:06:55,425 --> 00:06:56,085 Sonia Meza-Leon: Exactly. 108 00:06:56,085 --> 00:06:59,534 But that all depends on if I'm when time bill, bill wedge, really, 109 00:06:59,534 --> 00:07:01,395 essentially the husband was driving home. 110 00:07:01,545 --> 00:07:05,385 So there was time between when he, she was there alone with a toddler, right. 111 00:07:05,385 --> 00:07:09,675 It sound like some time has passed because he walks into the house and he's like, 112 00:07:09,855 --> 00:07:14,175 you know, obviously, depending upon where she was, how long was she gone? 113 00:07:14,175 --> 00:07:16,005 And then how long this toddler been alone. 114 00:07:16,005 --> 00:07:17,475 So it was like, what the heck? 115 00:07:17,475 --> 00:07:19,635 And it sounds like you took a little time to figure out where the, where 116 00:07:19,635 --> 00:07:21,135 the, where the toddler was as well. 117 00:07:21,885 --> 00:07:23,325 So pretty terrifying. 118 00:07:24,015 --> 00:07:28,094 Um, he what's really sad about the situation is, as you said, you know, he 119 00:07:28,094 --> 00:07:32,745 sees Dennis Rader who apparently looks like every other white dude drive by. 120 00:07:33,044 --> 00:07:37,815 And, um, he, I think that he sees Dennis driving his wife's car. 121 00:07:38,145 --> 00:07:38,265 Yeah. 122 00:07:38,265 --> 00:07:38,625 That's what I 123 00:07:38,625 --> 00:07:41,354 Brittney Sherman: mean, he saw, again, it's driving his wife's car 124 00:07:41,354 --> 00:07:42,615 going in the opposite direction, 125 00:07:43,424 --> 00:07:45,674 Sonia Meza-Leon: but don't you think that's kind of weird though that, 126 00:07:45,674 --> 00:07:47,804 uh, you know, like, wouldn't you be. 127 00:07:48,810 --> 00:07:51,420 I mean, who's that guy, you know, if you don't see 128 00:07:51,420 --> 00:07:51,540 the 129 00:07:51,540 --> 00:07:54,990 Brittney Sherman: person driving, he might just be like, oh my wife's going out to 130 00:07:54,990 --> 00:07:57,990 get groceries, but then you get home and you see at the toddler and the wife's 131 00:07:57,990 --> 00:07:59,190 gone, then you know, something's up. 132 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,070 Sonia Meza-Leon: But he said, he saw Dennis sitting in the seat and driving. 133 00:08:02,070 --> 00:08:02,730 He said he saw it. 134 00:08:02,730 --> 00:08:04,650 He's the new he saw, oh, 135 00:08:04,650 --> 00:08:05,400 Brittney Sherman: that's this? 136 00:08:05,730 --> 00:08:06,990 Oh, I didn't realize that 137 00:08:06,990 --> 00:08:07,320 Sonia Meza-Leon: part. 138 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:07,920 That's terrible. 139 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:09,810 I saw a tall man in that seat. 140 00:08:09,930 --> 00:08:12,480 And by the way, I'm going to correct myself because he says a tall man. 141 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:13,530 And I guess, I don't know. 142 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,810 I don't remember how tall Dennis Rader was, but he wasn't. 143 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:16,950 Brittney Sherman: I think the guy. 144 00:08:18,390 --> 00:08:22,320 Sonia Meza-Leon: Well, he, he calls him a tall man, and, but he couldn't have been 145 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,960 that tall because I always heard that he was between like five, eight and five. 146 00:08:25,020 --> 00:08:28,200 Maybe he was, he was described between five, eight and five 10. 147 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:29,969 Brittney Sherman: I think that I, I thought I heard at one 148 00:08:29,969 --> 00:08:34,230 point, someone described him as being six foot, but I mean, sure. 149 00:08:34,230 --> 00:08:37,950 If you see from a distance or something, you don't notice 5, 10, 6 foot, not a big 150 00:08:37,950 --> 00:08:38,309 Sonia Meza-Leon: difference. 151 00:08:40,005 --> 00:08:42,614 But difference between five, eight and six, six foot. 152 00:08:42,645 --> 00:08:43,304 Definitely. 153 00:08:43,364 --> 00:08:43,974 Yeah. 154 00:08:43,995 --> 00:08:44,354 No. 155 00:08:44,364 --> 00:08:49,395 So perplexing, um, cause most people who were over sort of five, 10, you there's 156 00:08:49,425 --> 00:08:52,484 distinguishable because the average was much shorter than that, but yeah, 157 00:08:52,724 --> 00:08:57,915 essentially bill saw his wiping driven away by her murder and um, then later. 158 00:08:58,455 --> 00:09:02,145 He's accused of it because he can't, you know, I mean the tests for where 159 00:09:02,145 --> 00:09:06,615 he was during her murder, because it happened, you know, probably not so long. 160 00:09:06,795 --> 00:09:11,415 What, what we don't know is how long Dennis spends with his people, with his 161 00:09:11,415 --> 00:09:15,285 murder, his victims, because he spent time with her taking photos of her. 162 00:09:15,495 --> 00:09:19,935 So if, if he went to her house at 10:00 AM, however long it took to murder 163 00:09:19,935 --> 00:09:21,735 her and then take all these photos. 164 00:09:22,265 --> 00:09:26,555 We don't know what was crazy about this situation is I feel like that 165 00:09:26,555 --> 00:09:30,125 this is when this is the murder where Dennis starts getting sloppy. 166 00:09:30,574 --> 00:09:34,865 Um, maybe he's not planted out as much, even though we, we, it says 167 00:09:35,224 --> 00:09:37,204 clearly that he or he says he did. 168 00:09:37,655 --> 00:09:41,375 But maybe it's just a simply the arrogance, but he leaves to me at least 169 00:09:41,375 --> 00:09:44,855 too much to chance, you know, he wasn't, he totally, how would he, how does he 170 00:09:44,855 --> 00:09:48,275 not know that his, her, you know, the husband's coming home, like everybody 171 00:09:48,285 --> 00:09:52,685 knows everybody's schedule and I'm in, if I'm not mistaken, Vicky is telling you. 172 00:09:53,195 --> 00:09:55,115 You know, my husband is coming home. 173 00:09:55,115 --> 00:09:58,595 My husband is coming home and he realizes he doesn't have much time, but he takes 174 00:09:58,595 --> 00:10:01,565 him that he has enough time to take photos of her in bondage positions, 175 00:10:01,835 --> 00:10:04,625 you know, just defiling her is awful. 176 00:10:05,165 --> 00:10:10,205 So yeah, that's ultimately the Vicky Wagerly situation and. 177 00:10:11,220 --> 00:10:16,620 Again, for a number of years, her poor husband not only had to 178 00:10:16,620 --> 00:10:19,590 deal with the death of her, but he was accused of her murder. 179 00:10:19,620 --> 00:10:23,640 And I think it was almost 20 years later that they, that BTK finally 180 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:27,720 wrote a letter to the police or to the newspaper telling them. 181 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,430 And here's what they did. 182 00:10:29,460 --> 00:10:31,020 Here's what he did because he's such a Dick. 183 00:10:32,579 --> 00:10:37,949 He sent her for her driver's license, a copy of her driver's license and a picture 184 00:10:37,949 --> 00:10:43,560 of her drawn in the position that he had left her, which was of course me clearly 185 00:10:43,560 --> 00:10:46,140 that he was the person, the perpetrator, because no one else would have had that 186 00:10:46,140 --> 00:10:47,880 information, but that was 20 years. 187 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:53,219 Almost 20 years later, this poor guy would go under this terrible. 188 00:10:53,219 --> 00:10:54,689 I mean, that's that's yeah. 189 00:10:55,915 --> 00:10:58,735 Um, so no, I know, side note, a side note for that. 190 00:10:59,155 --> 00:11:02,125 Um, but yeah, that was, uh, Vicki Wagerly. 191 00:11:02,145 --> 00:11:06,055 She was 28 when she died and she was another victim that was strangled. 192 00:11:06,175 --> 00:11:11,665 So now we've got BTK back on the prowl, you know, he he's out there. 193 00:11:11,665 --> 00:11:16,435 He's previous murder, April 27th, 1985 Marine hedge. 194 00:11:16,705 --> 00:11:20,815 And now, you know what, almost Raleigh a year later, a 195 00:11:20,815 --> 00:11:22,195 little more than a year later. 196 00:11:23,405 --> 00:11:25,175 Brittney Sherman: Isn't it like six months or so later. 197 00:11:25,175 --> 00:11:26,045 It's not that long. 198 00:11:26,074 --> 00:11:26,704 I didn't think 199 00:11:27,425 --> 00:11:32,074 Sonia Meza-Leon: it's April 27th was a, for 85 was Marine hedge and he 200 00:11:32,074 --> 00:11:33,575 didn't kill again until September 201 00:11:33,575 --> 00:11:34,025 Brittney Sherman: 16th. 202 00:11:34,175 --> 00:11:34,535 You're right. 203 00:11:34,535 --> 00:11:34,865 You're right. 204 00:11:34,865 --> 00:11:35,194 You're right. 205 00:11:35,194 --> 00:11:36,365 So it was like a year and a half year. 206 00:11:36,365 --> 00:11:38,165 I was thinking that Marine was later in the year. 207 00:11:38,194 --> 00:11:38,345 Yep. 208 00:11:39,314 --> 00:11:39,645 Sonia Meza-Leon: Yep. 209 00:11:40,094 --> 00:11:44,745 So, so that's our number nine victim individually, and 210 00:11:44,745 --> 00:11:50,354 Brittney Sherman: Vicki is going to be a key watershed victim 211 00:11:50,474 --> 00:11:53,324 for BTK because at this point. 212 00:11:54,435 --> 00:11:56,235 There was no previous to this. 213 00:11:56,235 --> 00:11:58,785 I should say there was no collection of DNA. 214 00:11:58,905 --> 00:12:01,425 No one knew what it was for any of his previous victims. 215 00:12:01,635 --> 00:12:08,055 In 1986, it's started to come out and he certainly left DNA. 216 00:12:08,565 --> 00:12:11,595 It could not be traced to him or anyone else. 217 00:12:12,045 --> 00:12:17,235 And in fact, over 1300 samples of DNA were taken to try and Pintu. 218 00:12:18,390 --> 00:12:23,820 Uh, Vicky Weatherly, but none would be positive until almost 20 years later. 219 00:12:25,620 --> 00:12:27,960 Sonia Meza-Leon: So Britney, who was our last victim? 220 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,650 Brittney Sherman: Victim number 10, 19 91. 221 00:12:31,709 --> 00:12:41,699 Again, a gap of, uh, coming up on five years, uh, between murders, Dolores Davis. 222 00:12:43,765 --> 00:12:46,435 Uh, Dolores is 62 years old. 223 00:12:46,855 --> 00:12:51,745 So again, uh, he is attacking older women at this time. 224 00:12:52,075 --> 00:12:55,435 Uh, Dennis is 45, 46 years old. 225 00:12:55,735 --> 00:13:00,295 Uh, Vicky was younger, but we saw Marine was, uh, 53. 226 00:13:00,355 --> 00:13:05,815 Now Delores is 62 and he particularly targeted Dolores 227 00:13:06,265 --> 00:13:09,355 because she, uh, lived alone. 228 00:13:09,805 --> 00:13:12,745 She was a little bit older and. 229 00:13:14,145 --> 00:13:18,584 If I'm not mistaken, she was a critical neighbor. 230 00:13:19,694 --> 00:13:19,964 Sonia Meza-Leon: Yeah. 231 00:13:19,994 --> 00:13:21,165 She lived a mile and a half away. 232 00:13:21,224 --> 00:13:21,525 Yeah. 233 00:13:21,645 --> 00:13:26,204 Brittney Sherman: So, uh, it was, he found it to be a pretty easy target. 234 00:13:27,194 --> 00:13:28,635 Sonia Meza-Leon: I feel like he's getting lazy. 235 00:13:28,724 --> 00:13:28,964 Yeah. 236 00:13:28,964 --> 00:13:29,564 I kind of agree. 237 00:13:30,690 --> 00:13:34,560 I mean, he's like, ah, you know, I think by this time, because this is 238 00:13:34,560 --> 00:13:38,940 1991, by this time, I think, I feel like he really wants to get caught or 239 00:13:38,940 --> 00:13:41,880 he's frustrated with the police because nobody's paying attention to him. 240 00:13:42,060 --> 00:13:45,300 This is when he starts throwing down the gauntlet with information to. 241 00:13:46,425 --> 00:13:51,225 Is heavily communicating with the police and the newspapers and the news. 242 00:13:51,225 --> 00:13:53,385 Like this is me, this is me. 243 00:13:53,385 --> 00:13:58,395 I mean, he sends photographs of himself, you know, in, in hanging, 244 00:13:58,395 --> 00:14:01,995 you know, and these autoerotic positions, you know, cross dressing. 245 00:14:02,145 --> 00:14:05,490 I mean, One way out of his way to get attention. 246 00:14:05,490 --> 00:14:08,400 So it's so crazy that they can't wrap their heads around this. 247 00:14:08,580 --> 00:14:12,720 And remember, you know, now I think we're, we're into DNA old, right? 248 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:19,380 If I'm not mistaken, BTK was one of the very first DNA test that they ever did. 249 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,470 Brittney Sherman: Let's listen to mean like in 1986, when 250 00:14:22,470 --> 00:14:24,270 he was, he was not tested. 251 00:14:24,660 --> 00:14:29,250 Uh, but Vicky Wagerly, the DNA that was left was tested. 252 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,140 That was one of the earliest ones. 253 00:14:31,260 --> 00:14:31,910 So the. 254 00:14:32,655 --> 00:14:36,255 Database look for a DNA at the time would have been very, very 255 00:14:36,255 --> 00:14:37,395 small because you're right. 256 00:14:37,395 --> 00:14:41,415 This was one of the earliest cases that tried to use DNA. 257 00:14:41,775 --> 00:14:45,704 Sonia Meza-Leon: So back to Dolores, you know, here's a poor woman again, 258 00:14:46,064 --> 00:14:52,814 um, he, uh, going, you know, with the boy Scouts or the Cub Scouts, um, he 259 00:14:52,995 --> 00:14:55,334 skipped, you know, slipped away again. 260 00:14:55,875 --> 00:14:56,745 He drove his car. 261 00:14:57,885 --> 00:15:00,315 Yeah, he does car to his parents' house. 262 00:15:01,725 --> 00:15:02,865 Four minutes hit close. 263 00:15:03,045 --> 00:15:05,325 I mean, this guy, he's such a douche bag. 264 00:15:05,445 --> 00:15:07,815 He's like, really he's really playing this part. 265 00:15:07,815 --> 00:15:09,015 Like he's so freaking cool. 266 00:15:09,015 --> 00:15:10,305 He's not whole, he's not cool. 267 00:15:10,425 --> 00:15:13,935 All you know, and I think that he thought he was not cool at all. 268 00:15:13,935 --> 00:15:16,335 Brittney Sherman: He's like, but he's also not evolving anything. 269 00:15:16,965 --> 00:15:18,195 It's just the same routine. 270 00:15:18,195 --> 00:15:18,945 Like you said, he's getting 271 00:15:18,945 --> 00:15:19,995 Sonia Meza-Leon: it doesn't have to evolve. 272 00:15:19,995 --> 00:15:21,885 He just is like, I'm just going to do well. 273 00:15:21,885 --> 00:15:24,105 He's proven over and over again, and they're not going to catch him. 274 00:15:24,105 --> 00:15:29,255 You know, my God, he went in with Dolores, same situation. 275 00:15:29,265 --> 00:15:33,195 He needed money blah-blah-blah he tied her up in the bedroom and then he 276 00:15:33,205 --> 00:15:37,455 strangled her, you know, this poor 62 year old, a woman living by herself. 277 00:15:38,115 --> 00:15:43,185 He takes the car, you know, the body and puts it in the trunk. 278 00:15:43,515 --> 00:15:44,145 He. 279 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:46,319 It's so crazy. 280 00:15:46,740 --> 00:15:54,479 He, it sounds to me like he drives the body, drops it off somewhere, um, 281 00:15:54,599 --> 00:15:59,490 goes back to her house and wipes it all down and then goes to the church. 282 00:15:59,640 --> 00:15:59,819 Yeah. 283 00:15:59,849 --> 00:16:01,650 But then I think he loses his gun. 284 00:16:01,650 --> 00:16:03,810 So he has to go back there and research for his gun. 285 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,680 And then he goes, oh, I don't remember that part. 286 00:16:08,670 --> 00:16:09,600 He's like, oh shit. 287 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:11,790 You know, and he drops his gun and then he goes back. 288 00:16:11,820 --> 00:16:14,610 So he goes back, he goes back to the church. 289 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,010 Um, and then he went back to where the body was. 290 00:16:17,020 --> 00:16:19,230 He put it back in the trunk and he went and dropped it off at her under 291 00:16:19,230 --> 00:16:22,950 a bridge, like, oh my God, how many times guys move in these bodies? 292 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,820 And nobody seems to notice, well, he's leaving evidence everywhere. 293 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,540 I don't recall if you left any DNA evidence with Dolores. 294 00:16:31,630 --> 00:16:36,490 Um, but I think by this time he was like scattered and freaking out and. 295 00:16:37,875 --> 00:16:38,234 You know. 296 00:16:38,594 --> 00:16:41,655 Oh, and here's, what's interesting Rader. 297 00:16:41,685 --> 00:16:45,584 Then I am reading this directly from Wikipedia Rader, then went somewhere 298 00:16:45,584 --> 00:16:48,824 to change back and do a scout uniform and returned back to camp. 299 00:16:48,944 --> 00:16:52,755 The following evening, he went back to where he left the body 300 00:16:52,755 --> 00:16:53,895 and took photographs of it. 301 00:16:54,074 --> 00:16:58,125 So he goes back to where he drops it off and takes pictures. 302 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,619 Like he, I mean, are you kidding me? 303 00:17:01,619 --> 00:17:03,839 Like, there's some dudes standing there taking pictures of a dead body and 304 00:17:03,839 --> 00:17:06,300 nobody notices what is happening here. 305 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,579 And nobody notices, I don't believe it. 306 00:17:08,579 --> 00:17:09,480 I just think it's so crazy. 307 00:17:10,815 --> 00:17:12,764 So this is the end of a BTK. 308 00:17:12,974 --> 00:17:17,685 Now remember everybody right around this time, you know, D D this is where BTK 309 00:17:17,685 --> 00:17:22,815 is escalating with all of his paperwork, his drawings, um, all his nonsense. 310 00:17:22,815 --> 00:17:28,695 You know, I, I I'm unaware of any specific incident that caused him to sort of 311 00:17:28,754 --> 00:17:35,534 reinvigorate something happened between 1986 and 1981 or 91 that, you know, 312 00:17:35,534 --> 00:17:38,774 caused him to sort of stop who knows? 313 00:17:39,014 --> 00:17:44,689 Oh, You know, but at the end of the day, I think what we know to be true about 314 00:17:44,689 --> 00:17:49,370 how Dennis Rader slash BTK was caught was that he had been communicating with 315 00:17:49,370 --> 00:17:51,020 an investigator on the, at the police. 316 00:17:52,395 --> 00:17:56,565 And, uh, he, he apparently he thought he developed a lovely relationship 317 00:17:56,565 --> 00:18:01,605 with this guy and, uh, Ken, one of the detectives, any ask Ken, if he could 318 00:18:01,605 --> 00:18:06,675 send them a floppy disc, um, of some photos and things that he wanted to send 319 00:18:06,675 --> 00:18:08,805 him, if he would, if he would trace it. 320 00:18:09,195 --> 00:18:14,475 And well, the police says, no, the police say no, uh, you know, of 321 00:18:14,475 --> 00:18:16,305 course good for them for lying. 322 00:18:16,545 --> 00:18:19,365 And then he, they get this floppy disk and. 323 00:18:20,385 --> 00:18:25,425 Fairly easy to see exactly who authored this file. 324 00:18:25,665 --> 00:18:30,855 And I guess BTK, wasn't aware of, you know, how forensic it forensics 325 00:18:30,855 --> 00:18:34,365 work, but he clearly didn't, didn't protect himself in that 326 00:18:34,365 --> 00:18:34,784 Brittney Sherman: way. 327 00:18:35,235 --> 00:18:35,475 Okay. 328 00:18:35,475 --> 00:18:38,715 So let let's, let's back up a little bit though, and talk about 329 00:18:38,715 --> 00:18:40,155 the events that led up to this. 330 00:18:40,485 --> 00:18:48,675 So from 91 to 2004, BTK, Dennis, Laid dormant. 331 00:18:49,245 --> 00:18:53,535 He didn't commit any other crimes to, you know, per se. 332 00:18:53,805 --> 00:18:59,895 Uh, he at least was not tied to any other confirmed victims, but coming up on the 333 00:18:59,895 --> 00:19:05,655 30th anniversary of when the first murders happened, the Otero murders happened. 334 00:19:05,955 --> 00:19:11,835 An article was published from a biography about the BTK killer. 335 00:19:12,975 --> 00:19:16,805 And Dennis read this article in the newspaper. 336 00:19:17,595 --> 00:19:19,515 Wait, wait, this isn't accurate. 337 00:19:19,635 --> 00:19:20,835 He's not telling it right. 338 00:19:21,255 --> 00:19:23,325 And he's trying to take credit for my own story. 339 00:19:23,355 --> 00:19:25,305 If anyone's going to get credit for telling my story, 340 00:19:25,635 --> 00:19:26,595 I'm going to tell my story. 341 00:19:28,230 --> 00:19:30,840 He was provoked again because he thought someone else was going 342 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:32,070 to get credit for his work. 343 00:19:32,100 --> 00:19:35,970 Not necessarily, they're going to take credit for the, for, for the 344 00:19:35,970 --> 00:19:39,510 murders, but they're going to get the notoriety for writing about him. 345 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:43,410 So that goes against his ego, his hubris that gets him caught. 346 00:19:43,890 --> 00:19:44,220 So. 347 00:19:44,784 --> 00:19:50,575 No, he starts sending letters again and pictures, uh, copies of pictures. 348 00:19:50,575 --> 00:19:53,215 Cause like you said before, he never sent the originals. 349 00:19:53,245 --> 00:19:57,774 He always made copies of letters and pictures and sent the photocopies 350 00:19:58,195 --> 00:20:03,115 and he left like a box that showed that had a Barbie doll 351 00:20:03,175 --> 00:20:06,205 posed in, I think the way that. 352 00:20:07,514 --> 00:20:11,784 Violent way that Vicki Weatherly was found, I believe it's. 353 00:20:12,135 --> 00:20:15,344 Sonia Meza-Leon: And he did, he, he sent them more than one Barbie 354 00:20:15,344 --> 00:20:17,324 doll posed as one of his victims. 355 00:20:17,715 --> 00:20:20,625 And, um, he would send this to like big box stores or some store. 356 00:20:20,865 --> 00:20:24,524 And, um, the, the second one, uh, well, I know there are at least two, the 357 00:20:24,524 --> 00:20:31,240 other one that I knew of was posed like Josephine hanging from, uh, Oh, see then, 358 00:20:31,350 --> 00:20:36,060 Brittney Sherman: and that goes back to what I said in part one, listen to that. 359 00:20:36,090 --> 00:20:36,960 It's terrible. 360 00:20:37,050 --> 00:20:39,900 Uh, but Josephine is an 11 year old girl. 361 00:20:40,650 --> 00:20:44,670 And you just said it was found hanging from PVC pipe, which is just awful. 362 00:20:44,850 --> 00:20:49,380 He, he even posted pictures around town, behind street signs. 363 00:20:50,669 --> 00:20:53,399 His victims, he fancied himself an artist. 364 00:20:53,429 --> 00:20:54,480 He was a terrible artist. 365 00:20:54,960 --> 00:21:00,690 Um, but I want to also quickly talk about that floppy disk like that, 366 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:06,720 that you discussed, because the way that the investigators communicated 367 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,600 with him was really clever. 368 00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:11,490 I don't know if you read about this. 369 00:21:12,855 --> 00:21:18,794 He was communicating with this detective and asked, as you said, can you trace a 370 00:21:18,794 --> 00:21:28,004 floppy disc back to its original owner and instead of a yes or no conversation 371 00:21:28,004 --> 00:21:35,205 communication, they actually agreed upon putting something in the crossword 372 00:21:35,205 --> 00:21:39,044 puzzle of the, uh, local newspaper. 373 00:21:40,395 --> 00:21:45,105 And if there were like certain letters in there or numbers, or however it worked 374 00:21:45,584 --> 00:21:47,235 that was going to give him the answer. 375 00:21:48,855 --> 00:21:49,845 It was really, I thought 376 00:21:49,845 --> 00:21:52,455 Sonia Meza-Leon: it was very clever, but what was the, well, the answer 377 00:21:52,455 --> 00:21:53,655 was he going to get yes or no? 378 00:21:53,774 --> 00:21:56,774 Brittney Sherman: Yes or no, but it wasn't going to say yes or no. 379 00:21:56,774 --> 00:21:59,865 It was going to be like, if it's these three letters in a row or, 380 00:22:00,044 --> 00:22:03,615 or the answer to this clue is such and such, that's already. 381 00:22:04,500 --> 00:22:04,800 Oh, 382 00:22:04,810 --> 00:22:06,629 Sonia Meza-Leon: this guy he's such a jerk. 383 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,860 So I here's where I want to step back too, because you know, we're down. 384 00:22:10,889 --> 00:22:13,740 We're, we're, we're at our 10 murder victims. 385 00:22:13,740 --> 00:22:15,389 We know that he's killed 10 people. 386 00:22:15,810 --> 00:22:20,820 I, I personally don't believe he was dormant and he actually has 387 00:22:20,879 --> 00:22:26,699 written a lot about all of the times that he tried to commit the same 388 00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:29,669 crime and he wasn't successful. 389 00:22:30,030 --> 00:22:30,949 I just think he got one. 390 00:22:31,570 --> 00:22:32,830 I think there got lazy. 391 00:22:33,010 --> 00:22:37,150 There was a person he had planned to murder and he, it didn't actually happen. 392 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,540 And then there was another woman, I think it was her name, Anne Williams, 393 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:44,860 where he went over to her house and, you know, she didn't show up or something, 394 00:22:44,860 --> 00:22:46,660 but he said that happened quite a lot. 395 00:22:46,780 --> 00:22:48,490 That wasn't the first time I've been, it wouldn't be. 396 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:50,580 He said he 397 00:22:50,580 --> 00:22:51,780 Brittney Sherman: got bored waiting. 398 00:22:51,780 --> 00:22:54,480 So decided not to go through with it, like, come on. 399 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,790 Are you like, wow, I be so you're right. 400 00:22:56,850 --> 00:23:02,580 When, when I say supposedly when dormant, we don't know for sure. 401 00:23:02,909 --> 00:23:03,570 Uh, 402 00:23:04,020 --> 00:23:04,169 Sonia Meza-Leon: yeah. 403 00:23:04,169 --> 00:23:07,590 I think those, I think that those are his unsuccessful times, to be honest with you. 404 00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:08,970 I don't think he ever went dormant. 405 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:09,870 He may say. 406 00:23:09,930 --> 00:23:11,730 And I think that part of that was the two. 407 00:23:11,730 --> 00:23:13,110 I do believe that he did. 408 00:23:14,415 --> 00:23:17,985 Well, here's what the, you know, a lot of people, oh, well, he, he didn't, you 409 00:23:17,985 --> 00:23:19,845 know, sort of confess to other murders. 410 00:23:19,935 --> 00:23:21,255 Were there other murders happening? 411 00:23:21,255 --> 00:23:22,905 Like how could they not tie him to them? 412 00:23:23,085 --> 00:23:25,215 You know, if it was the same situation and there was likely 413 00:23:25,215 --> 00:23:26,775 DNA, why couldn't they be tied? 414 00:23:26,955 --> 00:23:29,745 Like, how are people unaware of other murders happening around them? 415 00:23:30,255 --> 00:23:31,185 Brittney Sherman: No, totally. 416 00:23:31,425 --> 00:23:37,125 Uh, so the, the floppy disc, they were able to track the metadata from Microsoft 417 00:23:37,125 --> 00:23:39,435 word, which is really easy to check. 418 00:23:39,435 --> 00:23:40,305 If anyone knows how to. 419 00:23:41,325 --> 00:23:42,825 Basic things about Microsoft word. 420 00:23:43,245 --> 00:23:48,075 And so they didn't find that it was him specifically, but they found that 421 00:23:48,075 --> 00:23:53,115 it was a guy named Dennis and that the Microsoft word was registered to 422 00:23:53,145 --> 00:23:55,725 the church that Dennis Rader attended. 423 00:23:56,025 --> 00:24:00,435 So now they narrowed it down to anyone named Dennis at this particular church. 424 00:24:01,275 --> 00:24:06,645 And keep in mind they had his DNA from 1986, but they didn't 425 00:24:06,645 --> 00:24:09,225 have any current DNA to match it. 426 00:24:10,425 --> 00:24:13,395 So they got really clever. 427 00:24:13,425 --> 00:24:16,334 The detectives knew his daughter attended Kansas state university. 428 00:24:16,455 --> 00:24:24,284 So went to the campus university health center and collected DNA, 429 00:24:24,645 --> 00:24:27,945 which I think is really crazy from a pap smear that she had. 430 00:24:28,740 --> 00:24:32,250 I have to say, when I heard this, I thought, what about HIPAA laws? 431 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,540 I don't understand how they could do that and get away with it, but 432 00:24:36,780 --> 00:24:40,110 it actually worked out for the best because they were able to compare her 433 00:24:40,110 --> 00:24:46,470 DNA to the DNA, found at the crime scene of Vicki Wagerly and they were 434 00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:49,200 able to tie of course, to Dennis rater. 435 00:24:50,580 --> 00:24:50,880 Sonia Meza-Leon: Yeah. 436 00:24:50,910 --> 00:24:55,080 And what's interesting is I watched a, um, uh, some video on YouTube. 437 00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:56,220 I can't remember the name of it. 438 00:24:56,220 --> 00:24:56,820 Sorry guys. 439 00:24:56,820 --> 00:24:57,030 But. 440 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,560 Interviewed and she describes the situation herself. 441 00:25:01,590 --> 00:25:05,760 She says that exact thing that they got the DNA from. 442 00:25:05,910 --> 00:25:06,690 They got that. 443 00:25:06,690 --> 00:25:09,690 What she said was they felt they got they, what did they say? 444 00:25:09,690 --> 00:25:10,020 She is? 445 00:25:10,020 --> 00:25:14,370 So they associated my father's DNA with DNA, from my pap smear. 446 00:25:14,490 --> 00:25:17,310 And I was just like in a really connected it, you know, because 447 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,460 here's a woman sitting there saying that this is my father and they use 448 00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:22,980 me to prove it really, really crazy. 449 00:25:23,220 --> 00:25:24,630 I mean, and I think that. 450 00:25:25,575 --> 00:25:29,925 Uh, uh, there were, uh, there were other, there were other murders. 451 00:25:29,925 --> 00:25:33,075 I don't think that they had tied to him until also, you know, when his daughter 452 00:25:33,075 --> 00:25:36,915 was being interviewed, she told them, I think that they didn't tie the Marine, 453 00:25:36,915 --> 00:25:41,415 their neighbor nor Dolores to Dennis Rader until, um, I think maybe his daughter 454 00:25:41,415 --> 00:25:43,335 had mentioned it because she knew them. 455 00:25:44,085 --> 00:25:45,315 Brittney Sherman: Yeah, they were neighbors. 456 00:25:45,315 --> 00:25:45,855 There were. 457 00:25:45,915 --> 00:25:46,335 Yeah. 458 00:25:46,725 --> 00:25:51,465 Uh, he, um, so after the confirmed the DNA. 459 00:25:52,350 --> 00:25:54,629 Yeah, it was academic from there. 460 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,780 He was pulled over for a routine stop. 461 00:25:58,379 --> 00:25:59,370 He was arrested. 462 00:25:59,700 --> 00:26:02,399 He knew exactly why he was being arrested. 463 00:26:02,399 --> 00:26:09,000 He had been waiting 30 years to get caught and he finally got the notoriety 464 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:14,490 that he had been hoping for and he openly confessed to all of his crimes. 465 00:26:14,820 --> 00:26:17,879 So that way it, his name would become famous. 466 00:26:19,875 --> 00:26:22,065 Sonia Meza-Leon: So here's some other crazy things about Dennis Rader. 467 00:26:22,875 --> 00:26:26,925 I just wanted to sort of wrap it up with this because obviously he confessed no 468 00:26:26,925 --> 00:26:29,385 death penalty in Kansas at the time. 469 00:26:29,595 --> 00:26:31,485 So he got 10 consecutive life terms. 470 00:26:31,485 --> 00:26:34,305 He knows he's not getting out by the way, he's in solitary confinement. 471 00:26:34,335 --> 00:26:37,215 He doesn't get to be around any of the other inmates. 472 00:26:37,245 --> 00:26:37,985 So just so that. 473 00:26:39,090 --> 00:26:40,710 And I feel like it also lets them off the hook. 474 00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:44,370 Also, it sounds like people are pretty pissed off the victims in particular, 475 00:26:44,370 --> 00:26:49,350 because he can buy stuff with the money he makes or earns or gets in jail and he has 476 00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:53,310 a TV and other stuff, so he can sit in his little solitary confinement and, you know, 477 00:26:53,310 --> 00:26:56,400 whatever, but it's really discussing. 478 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:57,060 It's frustrating. 479 00:26:57,060 --> 00:26:58,140 I don't think that's fair. 480 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:06,420 Um, you know, but the other thing I want to mention is, you know, he, oh, Dennis. 481 00:27:07,305 --> 00:27:10,005 When he's being interviewed, he's still like kind of 482 00:27:10,185 --> 00:27:11,985 disconnected from what he did. 483 00:27:12,315 --> 00:27:16,335 He's talking to these guys like they're his buddies and he, when 484 00:27:16,365 --> 00:27:18,975 the police, he asked the police where he talks to police about the 485 00:27:18,975 --> 00:27:22,905 floppy, he gets offended that they. 486 00:27:23,530 --> 00:27:26,679 Uh, you know, he asked them, you know, yeah. 487 00:27:26,709 --> 00:27:31,179 He, they lied to him and that, that was how, why would you lie to me? 488 00:27:31,540 --> 00:27:35,290 I mean, that's so crazy, but, um, other than things that he said during 489 00:27:35,290 --> 00:27:38,740 the interview that I thought was really weird, was that how yeah. 490 00:27:38,770 --> 00:27:41,139 They asked, he asked how long he was going to be there. 491 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,639 Um, you know, because he had other things to do and you know, he's like, 492 00:27:45,639 --> 00:27:47,679 am I going to be here for like, yeah, you'll probably be here for a while. 493 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,649 The other thing that he said right after that, that I thought was so flipping 494 00:27:52,649 --> 00:27:58,020 gross was he asked if he could write BTK on his coffee mug in the, you 495 00:27:58,020 --> 00:27:59,219 know, when he was being interviewed. 496 00:27:59,219 --> 00:28:02,969 So it wouldn't get mixed up with anybody else's oh my God. 497 00:28:03,030 --> 00:28:05,189 That's the Sherri. 498 00:28:06,150 --> 00:28:09,090 That's the cherry on the top for me right there that tells me that this 499 00:28:09,090 --> 00:28:11,190 guy doesn't never, he's never cared. 500 00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:12,030 He doesn't care. 501 00:28:12,030 --> 00:28:17,040 He never will care about what he did to be so flippant and to be so 502 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,730 obsessed with taking responsibility for these horrendous crimes and to 503 00:28:20,730 --> 00:28:23,040 say something so freaking stupid. 504 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,980 Oh, I think also when he was being arrested, he asked for them to 505 00:28:25,980 --> 00:28:28,020 tell his wife that he's going to be late for lunch or something. 506 00:28:28,170 --> 00:28:28,650 I mean, just. 507 00:28:29,250 --> 00:28:29,699 Stupid. 508 00:28:29,699 --> 00:28:30,840 Like, are you kidding me? 509 00:28:31,199 --> 00:28:38,129 Um, but you know, I, I didn't find too many conversations like videos with that 510 00:28:38,129 --> 00:28:40,260 interviewed dinner's Raider directly. 511 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,719 Um, but they most certainly sure that. 512 00:28:43,650 --> 00:28:46,740 Brittney Sherman: Well, I, I, well, I'm sure that all the detectives and 513 00:28:46,740 --> 00:28:50,130 officers do, I don't want to see, I don't want to see interviews with him. 514 00:28:50,130 --> 00:28:57,810 I don't want him to have notoriety he's D he was the, the talk of 2005 for sure. 515 00:28:57,810 --> 00:29:00,390 And years later, it's 15 years later. 516 00:29:00,390 --> 00:29:03,060 Now his name has. 517 00:29:03,854 --> 00:29:08,504 Fallen out of the headlines, his family has dropped all communication. 518 00:29:08,504 --> 00:29:12,735 His, his wife filed for an emergency divorce and it was 519 00:29:12,735 --> 00:29:15,165 granted right after he confessed. 520 00:29:15,584 --> 00:29:18,014 His kids do not communicate with him. 521 00:29:18,435 --> 00:29:23,594 Uh, and his kids feel really bad and guilty because they feel like. 522 00:29:24,855 --> 00:29:26,025 I should've seen this. 523 00:29:26,055 --> 00:29:29,895 I should've seen the, the, the patterns and the evidence. 524 00:29:30,075 --> 00:29:33,825 He left clues that they're recognized. 525 00:29:34,740 --> 00:29:37,740 They thought, never thought it could be possible because it's their dad 526 00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:42,210 and who wouldn't think that, but now they live with this guilt and say, 527 00:29:42,210 --> 00:29:44,010 had they put two and two together. 528 00:29:44,250 --> 00:29:46,260 They absolutely would have turned him in. 529 00:29:46,590 --> 00:29:50,880 They, they do not feel any closeness or Alliance with them. 530 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,900 And they agree with the rest of the world that he is a disgusting, horrible 531 00:29:54,900 --> 00:29:57,030 human being who deserves to rut in. 532 00:29:58,455 --> 00:29:59,145 Sonia Meza-Leon: Yep. 533 00:29:59,595 --> 00:30:02,805 Um, a couple of other things to note, um, you know, I just want to 534 00:30:02,805 --> 00:30:04,784 talk a little bit about all of the. 535 00:30:05,820 --> 00:30:11,760 The, uh, things that the BTK killer had, Dennis Rader inspired and, uh, 536 00:30:11,790 --> 00:30:14,730 co uh, many, many things in the media. 537 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,949 I mentioned that he had written his, a book confession of a serial 538 00:30:19,949 --> 00:30:24,389 killer, um, with Catherine Ramzan, I guess she's a forensic psychic. 539 00:30:25,085 --> 00:30:27,005 This was a guided autobiography. 540 00:30:27,005 --> 00:30:30,095 She says, and it sounds like that the proceeds of that went to the 541 00:30:30,095 --> 00:30:34,235 victims, but that was certainly to, you know, stroke Raider's ego. 542 00:30:34,325 --> 00:30:35,435 He wasn't doing it for them. 543 00:30:36,215 --> 00:30:38,945 You know, he might not get the money for it, but who cares now? 544 00:30:40,020 --> 00:30:44,100 Also mentioned that his daughter was, um, you know, writing a book 545 00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:45,660 about surviving demonstrator. 546 00:30:45,660 --> 00:30:50,220 So you know, that talking about, you know, how they found out and things 547 00:30:50,220 --> 00:30:52,680 like that, I'm on the fence about that. 548 00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:53,310 I don't know. 549 00:30:53,340 --> 00:30:55,080 I would kind of just let it go in my opinion. 550 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,450 I don't know how, you know what I mean, like yeah. 551 00:30:58,185 --> 00:31:01,875 Uh, I don't, I don't want to be still want to seem opportunistic 552 00:31:01,875 --> 00:31:02,655 in a moment like that. 553 00:31:02,655 --> 00:31:02,865 Right. 554 00:31:02,865 --> 00:31:05,775 Cause I, I mean her kids, his kids definitely see 555 00:31:05,775 --> 00:31:07,845 themselves as victim number 11. 556 00:31:08,025 --> 00:31:10,075 They totally, that, that they've said that, you know? 557 00:31:10,725 --> 00:31:11,055 Yeah. 558 00:31:11,115 --> 00:31:11,655 And, and I agree. 559 00:31:12,719 --> 00:31:16,830 The other things that you'll see in the media that was there or inspired by BTK 560 00:31:17,129 --> 00:31:21,179 was a, I guess, a novella written by Stephen King called a good marriage. 561 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:22,290 And then a film. 562 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,560 I did not see the film, but I love seeing me king I'm 563 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,810 Brittney Sherman: also on Amazon prime, but I 564 00:31:27,810 --> 00:31:28,379 Sonia Meza-Leon: didn't have time. 565 00:31:29,300 --> 00:31:30,209 I'm gonna watch it. 566 00:31:30,300 --> 00:31:32,399 Yeah, it sounds well, I don't know. 567 00:31:32,409 --> 00:31:34,439 Sometimes Stephen King movies. 568 00:31:34,439 --> 00:31:35,550 Aren't so good. 569 00:31:36,705 --> 00:31:37,755 Brittney Sherman: I'm just saying, that's why I 570 00:31:37,755 --> 00:31:38,865 Sonia Meza-Leon: decided to know. 571 00:31:38,925 --> 00:31:39,705 I'm not sure. 572 00:31:40,305 --> 00:31:44,055 Well, so sidebar, what Stephen King movie would you say would be a good movie? 573 00:31:44,085 --> 00:31:49,545 I mean, there's only one I could think of maybe two shining and 574 00:31:49,545 --> 00:31:51,375 be the shining Salem's lot. 575 00:31:51,885 --> 00:31:53,655 It was a great, I haven't 576 00:31:53,655 --> 00:31:56,205 Brittney Sherman: seen, um, I think the, 577 00:31:56,535 --> 00:31:58,815 Sonia Meza-Leon: I liked pet cemetery, but it was kinda cheesy. 578 00:31:58,815 --> 00:32:01,935 Brittney Sherman: I, um, I really like the remake of it. 579 00:32:01,995 --> 00:32:04,815 I haven't seen part two, but part one or chapter one, I think is. 580 00:32:06,165 --> 00:32:08,745 Surprised the heck out of me, how much, how good I thought that. 581 00:32:09,660 --> 00:32:10,890 Sonia Meza-Leon: Yeah, it's good. 582 00:32:10,890 --> 00:32:13,800 It's just not like, I mean, to me, the book and the movies 583 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:14,760 are completely different. 584 00:32:14,850 --> 00:32:15,420 It's crazy. 585 00:32:15,930 --> 00:32:17,640 But I love seeing the king is one of my favorite writers. 586 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,500 I started reading him when he was, when I was 10. 587 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:25,230 Um, the other things that have inspired by Raider are, which I did not know was 588 00:32:25,230 --> 00:32:27,690 that Thomas Harris who wrote red dragon. 589 00:32:27,690 --> 00:32:29,520 And then of course the lambs, right. 590 00:32:30,775 --> 00:32:34,165 He said that he based Francis dollar hides character on him in red dragon, 591 00:32:34,855 --> 00:32:38,305 which I was like, Hmm, I guess I did not even really associate that. 592 00:32:38,875 --> 00:32:40,765 Then there was the hunt for watching that. 593 00:32:40,945 --> 00:32:45,955 Yeah, no, totally a hunt for the BTK killer, which is what I watched it was. 594 00:32:46,015 --> 00:32:48,715 And I got a lot of my information from it was really interesting. 595 00:32:49,075 --> 00:32:53,845 Um, I also listened to generation Y and their podcast episode about, uh, dentist. 596 00:32:53,995 --> 00:32:57,265 And it was interesting as well, as well as serial killers. 597 00:32:57,695 --> 00:32:58,885 I listened to serial class. 598 00:32:58,885 --> 00:32:59,515 That was really good. 599 00:33:01,455 --> 00:33:03,165 It was, I liked their take on stuff. 600 00:33:04,439 --> 00:33:05,580 Last, but not least. 601 00:33:05,610 --> 00:33:11,490 I would like to remind all of us that the BTK killer was featured in mine, 602 00:33:11,490 --> 00:33:17,370 hunter, uh, seasons one and two, which I'm hopeful that there'll be coming back. 603 00:33:17,610 --> 00:33:23,310 But, um, I would love to see their portrayal of Dennis Rader, um, you 604 00:33:23,310 --> 00:33:28,469 know, completed and to see his, um, you know, his crimes come to fruition. 605 00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:30,300 So that's a lot out there. 606 00:33:30,300 --> 00:33:32,879 I mean, I, I, like I said, I hate this guy. 607 00:33:33,835 --> 00:33:39,385 I mean, I can't think of a better, any other way, like a slow, painful death. 608 00:33:39,535 --> 00:33:41,365 Somebody really knows what they're doing. 609 00:33:41,515 --> 00:33:43,705 Like, I would say Dexter's perfect for this guy. 610 00:33:43,705 --> 00:33:47,005 Like, let somebody kill him, who would keep him alive and let him be a pain, 611 00:33:47,215 --> 00:33:51,565 like tear him apart, limb from limb, throw him in an ant bed, whatever. 612 00:33:51,655 --> 00:33:52,765 I mean, I don't know. 613 00:33:53,125 --> 00:33:55,135 There's not enough to, to. 614 00:33:56,175 --> 00:33:58,725 I mean, he just did such terrible things and he just appears 615 00:33:58,725 --> 00:33:59,955 to not give a shit about it. 616 00:34:00,135 --> 00:34:01,635 He doesn't care about anybody else. 617 00:34:01,635 --> 00:34:03,675 He doesn't care about his own family. 618 00:34:03,855 --> 00:34:05,325 It's just so crazy. 619 00:34:05,325 --> 00:34:08,445 And to see pictures of him and his family, um, you know, I really feel 620 00:34:08,445 --> 00:34:11,445 for them, but, and of course, certainly we all we feel for the victims to 621 00:34:11,445 --> 00:34:14,565 cause the things that they've gone through as the guy who survived. 622 00:34:14,625 --> 00:34:15,675 Holy crap. 623 00:34:15,915 --> 00:34:17,295 I mean, that's just, Ugh. 624 00:34:17,534 --> 00:34:20,745 And then the guy, the guy who had to watch his mom be murdered, I mean, it 625 00:34:20,745 --> 00:34:24,735 was a path of devastation and it's, it's, we're glad that it's over, but. 626 00:34:25,299 --> 00:34:28,629 I have to say, I'm sad that it took them so long to figure that out. 627 00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:28,899 And that's 628 00:34:28,899 --> 00:34:31,719 Brittney Sherman: the part that is, is really tragic because 629 00:34:32,529 --> 00:34:34,239 they had their opportunities. 630 00:34:34,449 --> 00:34:36,129 We've seen this before. 631 00:34:36,129 --> 00:34:38,020 We've read about other cases. 632 00:34:38,020 --> 00:34:40,179 We've watched other examples. 633 00:34:40,479 --> 00:34:45,429 It's just really sad because he had, he wanted to be caught 634 00:34:45,429 --> 00:34:49,929 because he wanted that fame and notoriety and he was begging for it. 635 00:34:50,379 --> 00:34:51,699 And it wasn't until. 636 00:34:52,389 --> 00:34:54,130 He kind of was like, screw it. 637 00:34:54,220 --> 00:34:54,850 I'm done. 638 00:34:54,850 --> 00:34:56,980 I'm he practically just gave himself. 639 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:00,420 Sonia Meza-Leon: Kind of, yeah. 640 00:35:00,660 --> 00:35:03,930 I want to go back for a minute and talk a little bit about all the jobs that he had, 641 00:35:03,930 --> 00:35:08,790 because to me I'm like the trail of, you know, the jobs really sort of spoke to me. 642 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,110 He worked, uh, like you said, he was in the air force. 643 00:35:13,410 --> 00:35:18,750 Um, apparently he was a butcher at one point in some, some market, he worked 644 00:35:18,750 --> 00:35:22,500 at an outdoor supply company, fancy that cords ropes, things like that. 645 00:35:22,500 --> 00:35:25,560 And that's how he also knew how to, he knew how to. 646 00:35:26,185 --> 00:35:29,495 Actually, uh, create a lot of different kinds of knots. 647 00:35:29,495 --> 00:35:31,175 Cause he was a Cub scout boy scout guy. 648 00:35:31,625 --> 00:35:38,945 Um, he also was the ADT security systems representative, which is holy racy. 649 00:35:39,515 --> 00:35:42,695 He was a census field operations person. 650 00:35:42,695 --> 00:35:46,415 So he got to go to every single person's house that asked them who lived there, 651 00:35:46,565 --> 00:35:48,575 how old they were and what they did. 652 00:35:48,785 --> 00:35:50,465 So talk about invasive. 653 00:35:50,555 --> 00:35:54,155 The sky was taken, uh, making his list, you know, I'm sure he figured out 654 00:35:54,155 --> 00:35:55,385 people that he wanted to target doing. 655 00:35:56,365 --> 00:36:00,325 And then he was a dog catcher and a compliance officer. 656 00:36:00,685 --> 00:36:02,214 And here's what threw me over the edge. 657 00:36:02,245 --> 00:36:02,575 Again. 658 00:36:02,575 --> 00:36:04,285 I was like, are you freaking kidding me? 659 00:36:04,705 --> 00:36:08,665 He, as a compliance officer gets to go visit the field office 660 00:36:08,845 --> 00:36:13,855 where they've got their BTK, you know, sort of task force underway. 661 00:36:14,395 --> 00:36:18,564 He gets to walk in there and see all of this work happening, searching for him. 662 00:36:18,774 --> 00:36:19,734 Like I'm sure. 663 00:36:20,210 --> 00:36:21,170 I floated his boat. 664 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,200 And I think this is around the time where, you know, people were getting 665 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,080 frustrated with him and he people that aren't really, he wasn't a nice guy. 666 00:36:27,230 --> 00:36:28,940 You know, he like had a dog euthanized. 667 00:36:29,090 --> 00:36:31,160 He was really horrible to people. 668 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,070 Um, from the compliance standpoint, when he wasn't, he was a 669 00:36:34,070 --> 00:36:37,280 total asshole, everyone hates. 670 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:38,300 Yeah. 671 00:36:38,330 --> 00:36:40,310 And I mean, she filed a restraining order on him. 672 00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:42,680 So they had a restraining order situation on this guy too. 673 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,360 He said some terrible things to people. 674 00:36:44,420 --> 00:36:46,370 He told one woman that he was stopped bothering her. 675 00:36:46,370 --> 00:36:50,160 If she got rid of her boy, I mean, it's crazy. 676 00:36:50,460 --> 00:36:55,620 So, you know, again, we're to the end of the story, I think at the end of every 677 00:36:55,620 --> 00:36:58,620 story, we always have this conversation about how we're so surprised that 678 00:36:58,620 --> 00:37:00,120 nobody could figure it out sooner. 679 00:37:00,450 --> 00:37:05,220 Um, this one, you know, I just, I I'm like you, I feel like he just kind of 680 00:37:05,250 --> 00:37:06,960 gave it up himself at the very end. 681 00:37:07,530 --> 00:37:08,280 He wanted to get. 682 00:37:09,045 --> 00:37:10,545 Brittney Sherman: Yeah, he totally did. 683 00:37:10,545 --> 00:37:13,935 I in a, he wanted to get it caught much earlier something I forgot to mention, 684 00:37:13,935 --> 00:37:18,075 but wanted to, you know, we talked about how Dolores was a neighbor that he knew. 685 00:37:18,225 --> 00:37:23,925 He actually comforted, comforted her family during the Memorial 686 00:37:23,985 --> 00:37:25,605 and the days after her death. 687 00:37:26,205 --> 00:37:29,325 So that was just a little something I meant to mention earlier and I forgot 688 00:37:29,325 --> 00:37:33,765 about, and it was very reminiscent to me as well as the way that he was 689 00:37:33,765 --> 00:37:36,015 caught and confessed of aerial cat. 690 00:37:36,905 --> 00:37:40,685 Sonia Meza-Leon: I know I was just gonna say that totally because Ariel 691 00:37:40,685 --> 00:37:44,495 Castro's like, he's, you know, sort of creating this connection between 692 00:37:44,495 --> 00:37:46,925 these people, a false connection, because it's something that can sort 693 00:37:46,925 --> 00:37:52,835 of instigated, but he's now working his way in horrendous Dennis Rader. 694 00:37:52,835 --> 00:37:58,205 For me, he's my number one, you know, hate, hate, hated serial killer. 695 00:37:58,205 --> 00:37:58,565 I. 696 00:37:59,190 --> 00:38:01,710 'cause he just, I can't believe. 697 00:38:01,740 --> 00:38:05,130 I mean, I'm sure more people have killed or people have killed more 698 00:38:05,130 --> 00:38:07,980 people than he has Def, but the way that he did it and starting with 699 00:38:07,980 --> 00:38:09,870 the children, that was the nurse. 700 00:38:10,350 --> 00:38:11,670 And what else was weird about it? 701 00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:15,210 To me, this case, I think the worst murders happened at the beginning 702 00:38:15,210 --> 00:38:17,280 and he deescalated, I agree. 703 00:38:18,030 --> 00:38:18,270 Brittney Sherman: That's. 704 00:38:20,370 --> 00:38:20,610 Sonia Meza-Leon: Yeah. 705 00:38:20,610 --> 00:38:22,260 That's not common though for serial killer. 706 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:26,660 So there were a lot of things that were Plex perplexing about him, but, um, he's 707 00:38:26,660 --> 00:38:30,840 still alive and well sitting, watching cable and El Dorado correctional facility. 708 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,510 So if you wanted to send him a note, you probably could. 709 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,040 I guess he got in trouble, like right. 710 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:36,420 For like some kind of male thing. 711 00:38:36,900 --> 00:38:43,320 Um, some, some kind of male issues he got, he's been a, he's been a great whatever. 712 00:38:43,944 --> 00:38:47,484 You know what, whatever you are when you're in jail, a prisoner, um, he 713 00:38:47,484 --> 00:38:50,605 hasn't except for some kind of jail, a mail thing, because he's either 714 00:38:50,605 --> 00:38:52,825 sent something or he got something that he wasn't supposed to get. 715 00:38:53,035 --> 00:38:55,674 I don't think those guys should get any mail by the way, screw them, but I'm 716 00:38:55,674 --> 00:38:57,115 sure he's often married to somebody else. 717 00:38:58,634 --> 00:38:58,964 Brittney Sherman: All right. 718 00:38:58,995 --> 00:39:01,245 Uh, so Sonia, you mentioned a lot of your sources. 719 00:39:01,245 --> 00:39:03,765 I want to give credit to biography. 720 00:39:04,154 --> 00:39:05,955 Uh, Wikipedia naturally. 721 00:39:06,194 --> 00:39:11,535 Uh, I actually read an original news article from the, uh, from, uh, uh, the 722 00:39:11,535 --> 00:39:18,044 Wichita Eagle where, uh, that BTK sent letters to, and it was an article about, 723 00:39:18,435 --> 00:39:23,564 uh, one of the letters where he claimed to kill seven, uh, then, uh, Murderpedia. 724 00:39:24,065 --> 00:39:31,595 All that's interesting.com and you just turned me on to surviving BTK, 725 00:39:31,714 --> 00:39:34,115 which was a really fascinating website. 726 00:39:34,115 --> 00:39:35,765 And I'm glad you turned that on to me because there's a 727 00:39:35,765 --> 00:39:37,415 ton of good information here. 728 00:39:38,015 --> 00:39:38,645 Sonia Meza-Leon: Yeah. 729 00:39:38,645 --> 00:39:39,004 Yeah. 730 00:39:39,004 --> 00:39:41,375 They really did their research and they've got a lot of good videos. 731 00:39:41,375 --> 00:39:42,694 So that's a really great website. 732 00:39:42,694 --> 00:39:43,115 Check it out. 733 00:39:43,115 --> 00:39:45,964 You guys surviving btk.weebly.com. 734 00:39:46,265 --> 00:39:50,825 And they've got a lot of really good information and we, you know, we count 735 00:39:50,825 --> 00:39:52,205 on all of these different sources. 736 00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:56,050 For our information and we're happy to give them credit, you know, where credit 737 00:39:56,050 --> 00:39:57,610 is due because they've done so much 738 00:39:57,610 --> 00:39:59,200 Brittney Sherman: legwork of new information from us. 739 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:00,670 We're not discovering anything new. 740 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:02,200 Sonia Meza-Leon: Yeah, definitely. 741 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:06,190 But I think we're compiling in, in a way that hopefully is interesting for people. 742 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,180 Um, you know, I mean that, that's our, that's our mission is to give you 743 00:40:10,180 --> 00:40:13,780 guys some entertainment while we're giving you details about true crime. 744 00:40:13,780 --> 00:40:16,690 So that is up and let us know how we're doing and vote for. 745 00:40:18,435 --> 00:40:18,884 Yay. 746 00:40:18,884 --> 00:40:19,064 Brittney Sherman: Yeah. 747 00:40:19,064 --> 00:40:23,265 So, uh, check us out for the 2020 podcast awards in the people's 748 00:40:23,265 --> 00:40:30,044 choice and, uh, society, podcasts, society, and culture podcast section. 749 00:40:30,435 --> 00:40:34,785 Um, we were shocked and surprised and happy to be nominated. 750 00:40:34,785 --> 00:40:36,285 So please check us out and vote. 751 00:40:36,375 --> 00:40:41,865 Um, we're, we're thrilled and drop us a line on all of our social media 752 00:40:41,865 --> 00:40:45,285 channels on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook. 753 00:40:46,395 --> 00:40:47,445 I think those are all the big ones. 754 00:40:48,404 --> 00:40:48,705 Sonia Meza-Leon: Yep. 755 00:40:48,734 --> 00:40:52,665 And follow us at our, you can also subscribe to us on Patrion, which we love. 756 00:40:52,665 --> 00:40:56,295 We have a couple of patriotic folks these days, and we're going to be doing 757 00:40:56,295 --> 00:41:00,045 some giveaways for our Patrion peeps to show them some recognition because we 758 00:41:00,045 --> 00:41:01,995 sure do appreciate their subscriptions. 759 00:41:02,444 --> 00:41:07,565 Also, when I give a shout out to a couple of fellow podcasters out there, We've 760 00:41:07,565 --> 00:41:11,285 got music city, nine 11 coming out of Nashville with Brandon Hall and folks, 761 00:41:11,465 --> 00:41:14,255 they do a great job over there and you'll hear their premiere at the end 762 00:41:14,255 --> 00:41:21,025 of the episode, as well as meanwhile, at the studio, which is a little studio 763 00:41:21,035 --> 00:41:23,375 in winter Haven, Florida, my hometown. 764 00:41:23,375 --> 00:41:26,645 That's trying to try to make it to the big time and I want to support them. 765 00:41:26,645 --> 00:41:28,865 So I'll be sharing their promo as well. 766 00:41:30,095 --> 00:41:30,305 All 767 00:41:30,305 --> 00:41:30,545 Brittney Sherman: right. 768 00:41:30,545 --> 00:41:33,485 It's Carlitos love haven't you listened to us. 769 00:41:34,770 --> 00:41:38,399 Like share, subscribe, follow, enjoy. 770 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:40,740 Well, any final word, Sonia? 771 00:41:41,730 --> 00:41:42,089 Sonia Meza-Leon: Nope. 772 00:41:42,149 --> 00:41:42,660 Hit us up. 773 00:41:42,689 --> 00:41:43,950 Let us know how we're doing. 774 00:41:43,950 --> 00:41:46,950 Let us know if you have any suggestions for episodes or we're all yours. 775 00:41:47,759 --> 00:41:49,080 Brittney Sherman: Stick around for few promos. 776 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,740 After the show, we are the ladies of Scarlet. 777 00:41:53,939 --> 00:41:54,240 Keep 778 00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:54,839 Sonia Meza-Leon: killing it. 779 00:42:04,355 --> 00:42:09,575 Brittney Sherman: Now check out a couple other podcasters that support us, and we 780 00:42:09,575 --> 00:42:11,315 Sonia Meza-Leon: want to give them some support. 781 00:42:16,415 --> 00:42:18,845 Hey, fellow Scarlet, true crime listeners. 782 00:42:19,265 --> 00:42:23,975 I'm CC the host of a new true crime podcast, sooner state, true crime 783 00:42:24,545 --> 00:42:28,235 as a born and bred Oki I'll cover cases based in my wonderful home 784 00:42:28,235 --> 00:42:32,525 state of Oklahoma, the term sooner actually refers to tutors in the land. 785 00:42:33,420 --> 00:42:35,190 My state's very first true crime. 786 00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:39,540 New episodes are released twice a month and apple podcasts and most 787 00:42:39,540 --> 00:42:44,820 podcasts apps or visit our website, anchor.fm/crime state to listen now. 788 00:42:45,540 --> 00:42:51,330 So come away with me to my crime state on the sooner state true crime podcast. 789 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,700 And please stay sooner safe out there. 790 00:42:53,700 --> 00:42:54,150 Y'all. 791 00:42:59,790 --> 00:43:00,690 Hi everyone. 792 00:43:00,990 --> 00:43:03,360 I'm Ariel Cooksey, host of malice. 793 00:43:03,690 --> 00:43:08,220 When violent acts occur, we tend to think the predators are monsters. 794 00:43:08,700 --> 00:43:13,350 Surely no human could do such things, but if we're honest, only 795 00:43:13,350 --> 00:43:15,420 humans commit malicious crime. 796 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,980 And if you're like me, you want to know why to find out. 797 00:43:20,340 --> 00:43:24,120 Join me at malice, wherever you listen to podcasts by. 798 00:43:27,660 --> 00:43:29,160 Hey, y'all I'm Brandon Hall. 799 00:43:29,790 --> 00:43:32,880 I'm one of the hosts of music city, nine 11, a podcast about the good, 800 00:43:33,029 --> 00:43:35,819 the bad, and the dark side of nine 11. 801 00:43:35,819 --> 00:43:39,029 Dispatching me and my co-hosts are 9 1 1 dispatchers. 802 00:43:39,029 --> 00:43:40,799 With over 60 years of experience. 803 00:43:41,339 --> 00:43:44,640 Join us as we play 9 1 1 calls and discuss them. 804 00:43:45,569 --> 00:43:47,190 Oh, did I mention that we get. 805 00:43:49,365 --> 00:43:50,384 9 1 1. 806 00:43:50,445 --> 00:43:51,525 What's your emergency? 807 00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:14,750 And they stopped my daughter-in-law 808 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:29,270 You can find us on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram at music city nine 11, and we're 809 00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:31,250 downloadable on every podcast platform. 810 00:44:33,475 --> 00:44:36,295 Brittney Sherman: We want to give a shout out to the pod all 811 00:44:36,295 --> 00:44:42,055 the time podcast network that we Scarlet TCP are proud members of 812 00:44:42,685 --> 00:44:43,945 Sonia Meza-Leon: other members of the pod. 813 00:44:43,945 --> 00:44:50,335 All the time podcast network, our creative intuitive, another digital citizen history 814 00:44:50,335 --> 00:44:53,485 of a haunting round and round the podcast. 815 00:44:53,845 --> 00:45:00,865 Real AKA truth podcast, ruck up podcast, random unnamed podcast bourbon. 816 00:45:02,010 --> 00:45:05,490 Three PS in the podcast, Ross sex podcast. 817 00:45:05,850 --> 00:45:08,070 I think we're doing it podcast. 818 00:45:08,370 --> 00:45:11,100 Brittney Sherman: So if you like what you're hearing from Scarlet TCP, check 819 00:45:11,100 --> 00:45:16,950 out these other shows that members of the pod all the time podcast network.