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Speaker CWe're going to get into a little thing called manipulation at some point in the show.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker CBut first we're going to start off with why you need to hurry up and get valuable now because you probably will lose your job.
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Speaker AThat is a wide angle lens
Speaker Bmaking
Speaker Ayou feel good about you one lens at all, right?
Speaker ASo look, I've been staying up late at night every night.
Speaker AI only sleep a couple hours compared to most people.
Speaker AAnd I can validate this because I
Speaker Eget the text messages you do.
Speaker AIt's dark, it's grim, it's ugly.
Speaker AAnd there are some things we need to talk about that are important as it relates to AI because there's a narrative that's going around that I think is deserving of what's really happening.
Speaker AAll of this is not as painless as, as I think people would like you to believe because it's sensational, it's new, it sounds cool.
Speaker ABut the fact of the matter is, AI is in fact coming for your job.
Speaker ANot tomorrow, but certainly this year.
Speaker ANot three years from now, not five years from now, not the what if.
Speaker ABecause why would you want to stigmatize a population by telling them their job's gonna be taken out near term?
Speaker AYou don't do that, right?
Speaker AYou try to get them used to the idea of this adoption and adopting the technology.
Speaker AYou're adopting technology that will take your job.
Speaker AIt is learning how to do your job.
Speaker ANow, for every single one of you, using a learning language model, an LLM to help you do your job, you are in fact teaching your successor how to do Your job every single damn day.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AAnd you might think this is making you more efficient.
Speaker AIt is.
Speaker ARight up until it makes you so unnecessary in the process that you are no longer an efficient part of that process.
Speaker CYeah, it's the equivalent of like trying to train your replacement while you go on family medical leave.
Speaker CBefore you can, when you go on let's say maternity leave, right.
Speaker CThen you say I'm not going to teach this person everything because if I don't want them to replace me by the time I come back, except this time they will.
Speaker AIt's not good.
Speaker ASo in this, this game, the shell game is, is a very, very bad one.
Speaker AAnd we're going to actually spend some time and I didn't put this in the show notes on purpose.
Speaker AI'm going to put it in there now.
Speaker AGuys.
Speaker AYou guys have it.
Speaker AI wanted to get your live reaction to some things that a video that I saw, it's about saying Sam open eyes.
Speaker AYeah, I always want to call him Sam Beckman Fried.
Speaker AThat's a Freudian slip.
Speaker ABecause some days I feel that way.
Speaker CYeah, right.
Speaker ASome days I feel that way.
Speaker ASo I'm gonna put in the show notes here in a minute.
Speaker ADon't worry about it now.
Speaker AIt's not gonna pop up anytime soon.
Speaker AIt's not something we're talking about First.
Speaker AFirst I want to start the show off getting into a little bit of a backstory on Nvidia and the semis and what we're seeing here in the market because something very unusual happened yesterday.
Speaker AWe're recording this Thursday 26th February.
Speaker AOkay, so let's go right off the top.
Speaker AThis is actually on my X if you looked at it.
Speaker AThis is Nvidia.
Speaker AThey just recorded their, their Q4 revenue.
Speaker AWe knew that was coming out yesterday.
Speaker AThe live show, $68.1 billion up 73% year over year led by data center AI chips and beating expectations.
Speaker AWe all know the capex story here.
Speaker ASo if you listen to the show, you follow us on social media, you know this.
Speaker AI'm not going to bear repeating what you already know.
Speaker AEPS earnings per share was a 162 and Q1 got is guided to about $78 billion.
Speaker AThey've already had 13 successive quarters of revenue beats.
Speaker AThey are making money hand over fist.
Speaker AOkay, this raises a real question however.
Speaker AHow much of this growth is tied to sustained capex on infrastructure versus near term hyperscaler build out build outs.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AMeaning if you build all this stuff right and it's field of dreams and
Speaker Bthey come, it's Great.
Speaker ABut if you build this stuff and nobody shows up and you're talking to yourself on a live all by yourself in the middle of the day at 11am it could not be so great.
Speaker ARight?
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BSo, yeah, cloud and enterprise spending is
Speaker Ahuge now, but is it durable?
Speaker AAnd that's going to remain to be a question.
Speaker AAnd what happens if the broader compute demand slows or dare I say gets more efficient?
Speaker ASo for example, right now, technology is what it is.
Speaker ABut if we get more efficient processing power, more efficient energy supplies, what happens?
Speaker AAll this.
Speaker AWell, bad things happen, right.
Speaker AEspecially their profits.
Speaker AWell, the market seemed to kind of believe that.
Speaker AAnd today in reject, go to cnbc, type in Nvidia NVDA and look at their stock price.
Speaker AThey actually fell off today, the day after their 13th consecutive quarter earnings beat.
Speaker AThe stock market's going, meh.
Speaker CThey took a hit.
Speaker AYeah, they took a hit.
Speaker AThat is a strange, strange ass comment.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AAnd I don't make any, you know, excuses for it.
Speaker AI just know that it's strangely unusual and the behavior is very, very not comfortable for me.
Speaker AI'm gonna add the stuff in the show notes now for you to look at later on, Rajeel, but it's in the show notes when we'll naturally talk about it.
Speaker ASo don't worry about it.
Speaker ADo you have a chart?
Speaker CWell, it's.
Speaker CAnd I'll just add too.
Speaker CI mean, some of this, this is.
Speaker CYeah, no, you just want to go to income shares, Nvidia, just, just nvda.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker CBut some of this also has to do with.
Speaker CAnd we've talked about this on the show before.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker CIs all the circular financing that's involved around.
Speaker CThere you go.
Speaker CAll the AI companies.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AAnd all the money, that's 5.46.
Speaker AThis is the day after their, their Earnings revenue beat 184.89 per share.
Speaker ASo again, down 10.67.
Speaker AThis is the phenomenal earnings quarter.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker AThe market doesn't believe it.
Speaker CThe market is, yeah.
Speaker CStarting to declare shenanigans.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker CYou got Nvidia that, I mean, not too long ago came out and said, we're going to invest $100 billion into open AI.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker CAnd open AI Sam Almond's coming out saying like, you know, we, we'll probably be profitable sometime in 2029, 2030.
Speaker CThat's the goal.
Speaker CWhere we're not profitable.
Speaker CWe'll break even by then.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker CAnd you're like, man, that's a long ways out.
Speaker CAnd relying on a lot of companies to also do well in the Process and, and you have to think if one of these companies don't do well, what happens to the entire system?
Speaker ASo.
Speaker AAnd we're going to get into that in detail on this show and I'm also going to talk about how this impacts our jobs.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker ABecause this is a very scary process and thought process for me.
Speaker APull up this chart here of the quarterly.
Speaker AJust click on that image.
Speaker AThere you go.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AThe Financial Times.
Speaker ASo this is a chart from Financial times showing you Nvidia's earnings.
Speaker AYou can see the chat GPT's release really kicked off these 13 consecutive quarters of just insane growth.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker AInsane growth like this is never sustainable in perpetuity.
Speaker ARight?
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AThe only place you have right now is downside risk.
Speaker AThe stock and the market is pricing that in because they're going quarter after quarter.
Speaker AThey beat, beat, beat, beat, beat.
Speaker AAt some point in time it ain't going to be that way.
Speaker AYeah, right.
Speaker ASo go ahead and close that radial and I want to get a little more broad in this sense of why this is such a serious conversation.
Speaker ALook, AI is a real, a real thing, okay.
Speaker AI don't know that, that anybody can look at it and say this is not going to increase efficiency and be good for humanity on some level.
Speaker AHowever.
Speaker AYeah, big asterisk here.
Speaker AThe Internet is a good thing.
Speaker AAnd the Internet is still around today.
Speaker AAs a matter of fact, all this
Speaker BAI runs off of the basic information
Speaker Afound on the Internet.
Speaker BWe had a dot com bubble burst, okay.
Speaker BBecause the, the money that was pumped into these markets and the valuation that was there were not real.
Speaker BIt was based on future earnings potential
Speaker Athat did not materialize.
Speaker BNow yes, these guys are earning money.
Speaker AAI is earning money and some of that has materialized.
Speaker ABut the expectations of earnings that we have from these people, those are never going to materialize.
Speaker AI'm saying that now.
Speaker ANever going to materialize.
Speaker BAnd just be thematic through this episode.
Speaker AYou have a company like OpenAI, which originally started off as non profit, mind
Speaker Byou, and now somehow throwing that out
Speaker Ato the wayside and has this profit built model.
Speaker AThey make billions of dollars a year.
Speaker AI think they're somewhere in around the $20 billion range.
Speaker AIsh.
Speaker AMark.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AI think some people are saying 13, I think it's about 20 billion.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BBut they have trillion over a trillion dollars in commitments and spending over the next couple of years.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BThat to me signals AI bubble problems in and of itself.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BPeople say, well, AI is not going to crash.
Speaker AI'm not saying AI is going to go away.
Speaker BWhat I'm saying is Just like the dot com bubble burst, reality kicked in.
Speaker AThe Internet's still here.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker BReality will kick in in this sector.
Speaker CGood things will come from the infrastructure and everything that does get built out.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker CIt was for, with the dot com bubble.
Speaker CIt was really, really the, the fiber optics or the fiber cables.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker CThat were laid out that ultimately helped broadband Internet.
Speaker CRight?
Speaker AThat's right.
Speaker CBut that wasn't their original purpose.
Speaker CAnd that's not the reason why the leading up to the dot com crash why everything expanded and inflated.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AAnd you have explaining and this is capitalism at its core.
Speaker ABut let's be clear.
Speaker AEven if opening as revenue chart.
Speaker AYeah, actually I chart the top right there.
Speaker AThat one.
Speaker APerfect.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AI saw this earlier today.
Speaker ASo this is really interesting when you look at this, if you look at the purple.
Speaker ASo I'll try to explain this as best I can.
Speaker AClick on this the chart, see if you can make it bigger.
Speaker AAnd I've seen this before earlier.
Speaker AThere is basically a bar chart at the very bottom of the bar chart.
Speaker AIt's okay, go back to the previous one.
Speaker AI can explain it.
Speaker AI saw it earlier.
Speaker ASo if you go back to this bar chart, if you look at this chart, the big pink bar, the largest source of what they're saying will be their income from 2024 all the way to 2029 will come from ChatGPT, which is you and me and everybody else using it.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker BI don't want to be the asshole here, but if you're going to take our jobs using Agentic and AGI.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BHow the fuck are we going to pay for open AI?
Speaker BAnd what am I paying for exactly?
Speaker BIf it's not going to, if it's not going to make me more efficient at work, I'm paying for it.
Speaker BTo what, the right memos to my mom?
Speaker BYeah, let me see.
Speaker BLike what are we doing here?
Speaker BThey're saying over 50% of their income up until about 2028 and then 2029 it starts to leverage other places is coming from chat GPT and people paying for it.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker BIf they're not using it to be more efficient in their jobs and they're not using it for their second jobs, what the fuck are you using ChatGPT for?
Speaker ARight?
Speaker BI mean, I mean you'll use it anecdotally, but you can certainly get away with a free model at that point in time.
Speaker BWhich by the way, you can run Olama and some of the local models locally on your computer.
Speaker BYou don't need chat GPT for some
Speaker Aof the Low end stuff.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BSo question number one.
Speaker BAnd then number two, they say API usage, which is really your agents and
Speaker Ayour bots and people using stuff like on our show, our show uses an API into Claude and Cloud will.
Speaker AThen that's the number two source of income.
Speaker AAnd then number three is agents, the actual agent, you know, cloud agents.
Speaker AAnd that, that's actually a good point to stall here.
Speaker AWe're going to get to a point as well.
Speaker AWe're all going to have AI agents.
Speaker AWe talked about that in a previous show.
Speaker AWe're all going to have an AI agent, an AI that knows us better than these general learning language models.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AAnd that we don't have to keep prompting that AI agent.
Speaker AOkay, well, if they're saying 50% of
Speaker Btheir income comes from a learning language
Speaker Amodel, but we know that agents are going to be a growing portion of
Speaker Btheir income, at what point in time
Speaker Ado we go, okay, wait a minute, that doesn't make sense because Perplexity just yesterday rolled out something called Perplexity Computer, which is basically an agentic AI model in the cloud that learns you.
Speaker BLearns all about Sayonomar.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BIn the cloud you don't have to buy a computer, any hardware for it.
Speaker AIt remembers everything that you tell it
Speaker Band builds a database based on you and will give you feedback.
Speaker ASo you can say, hey, that one thing we did that one time is do it again.
Speaker BThat's all you can say.
Speaker AAnd it will do it.
Speaker CYeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker BAnd the best part about Perplexity's model is it takes every available major LLM,
Speaker Aincluding Cloud and OpenAI, and it'll use the one that's most pertinent for what job you want it to do.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AOn its own.
Speaker AYou don't got to prompt that.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker CIf there's, if there was a world where you could, you know, build out your own agent, and companies were restricted to only use agents that their employees have built out and the agent itself has its own, let's just say maybe not a tax ID number, but its own, like identification number.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker CThen I could get behind this in, you know, to some degree.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker CBut why would they do that?
Speaker CWhy, why wouldn't companies just take that and build it, Build it out themselves?
Speaker AWell, exactly, and that's what we're doing is we talked about this in previous shows.
Speaker ANumber one, you get the data.
Speaker ANumber two, you build the model.
Speaker AExcept I'm a fucking idiot, okay?
Speaker AI'm an idiot the whole time.
Speaker AI'm like, okay, you get data in the form of like an Excel Template and you populate it and you train the model on how to use the data.
Speaker BNo, I'm an idiot.
Speaker AWe're building the model.
Speaker AWe're the data.
Speaker CYeah, yeah, Right, right, right.
Speaker BWe're the data for the companies.
Speaker BGuess what?
Speaker BOnce we have done giving them the
Speaker Adata, which is how we do our jobs.
Speaker AYes.
Speaker BThen the model is replacing us.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BThat's the model.
Speaker BIt's never been about how do we
Speaker Aget more efficient to get the result we want.
Speaker AIt's been about how do we replace the worker.
Speaker BAnd anybody who's telling you otherwise just ain't looking far enough down the road.
Speaker BThat's where this goes.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker CWell, that's the goal.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BIt's, it's 100 the goal.
Speaker BAnd even if it isn't the intentional goal, that's the only way the capital X spend makes sense.
Speaker CYeah, right.
Speaker BIt's the only way.
Speaker BRajeel, let's go to the next article.
Speaker CBut then at some point, right, if you're, if a lot of your value right now, or at least last year, remember we talked about this, I think, on the last episode.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker CWhere if a company announces they're, they're going to contribute, let's say, $100 million into capital expenditures, and you know, the market investors see that and the analysts see that, they start valuing the stock higher.
Speaker CLike, look, they're, they're really leaning into the space.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker CBut at some point they got you.
Speaker CYou have to start questioning.
Speaker ABut that's also bullshit too, because.
Speaker AAnd we're going to talk about this
Speaker Blater, if you say you're leaning into
Speaker Athe space and you're going to spend $100 million.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker AAnd you're, I don't know, telling, hey, we're going to make $100 million investment or $100 billion investment into OpenAI.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ABut then OpenAI takes that and goes.
Speaker ABuys product for me.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BYou're playing hide the sausage.
Speaker BYou just paid yourself.
Speaker CYes, exactly.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker CAnd then it.
Speaker CThere's so many middlemen and they all range in sizes.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker CBut I have it here, too.
Speaker CSo Oracle's a big player in all of this.
Speaker AHuge player.
Speaker AHuge player.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker CSo you got to start wondering, like, okay, if one of these don't do well, how big was that player?
Speaker CAnd if that player is big enough, is it going to hurt the entire system?
Speaker ARight.
Speaker CAnd Oracle's credit risk right now hit the highest since 2009.
Speaker CThat's bad.
Speaker CDude, we talked about this.
Speaker CTheir bonds are being traded like junk bonds.
Speaker AYeah, well, and then Meta got real Smart.
Speaker AThey started doing JVs and putting this outside of their company through these joint ventures.
Speaker CSo what are JVs?
Speaker ASo they have a joint venture where they're basically financing this outside the company, as opposed to the company just going get direct financing.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ASo you're in a joint venture vis a vis this company with Meta on the end result being profitable.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AInstead of them just getting a loan and building it themselves.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker CSo, like, oh, so OpenAI.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker CThey'll.
Speaker CThey'll lean in and use Oracle to, like, rent their, like, computing space.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker AAnd.
Speaker CAnd use some of their data centers and their infrastructure instead of using all of their owns to kind of like, spread the risk out a little bit.
Speaker CBut it's like, dude, what.
Speaker BWhat if it.
Speaker BWhat if it.
Speaker CWhat if they decide to just close
Speaker Bthat whole arm and.
Speaker BAnd it could very well happen.
Speaker ASo Moody's just came out with an analysis on this whole thing, the macroeconomic consequences of AI.
Speaker AAnd my boy Mark Zandi wrote it.
Speaker ALed the.
Speaker AThe writing of it.
Speaker AI should say paraphrasing a whole lot.
Speaker AAnd this article is several pages.
Speaker AIt's in the show notes on every major platform that we're on.
Speaker ANew Moody's report says AI will be one of the most consequential economic forces of the century.
Speaker AYeah, thank you, Captain Obvious.
Speaker AAppreciate that.
Speaker AIt's meaningful that you said it.
Speaker ABoosting productivity and gdp, but uncertain effects on jobs.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker BAnd we're already seeing a disconnect between
Speaker AGDP and the employment numbers.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BLess people are getting hired, but GDP
Speaker Ais still going up.
Speaker BWhat's going on?
Speaker AWell, we're not seeing the impacts of AI.
Speaker ABullshit.
Speaker AYes, you are.
Speaker AThat's the impacts of AI already.
Speaker ACan you imagine when we actually get up to speed in cadence?
Speaker CRight?
Speaker AAll right, says, but with uncertain effects on jobs.
Speaker AAnd I said, and I'm quoting here, I believe those effects are already seen.
Speaker AYou know why?
Speaker ABaseline scenario of Moody says that AI adding significantly to growth over the next decade with modest job disruption offset by new opportunities.
Speaker AThat's their baseline.
Speaker AI don't believe that modest is the right vernacular, but okay, fine, whatever.
Speaker AThey got a political agenda here as well.
Speaker BOther scenarios range from modest recessions if AI adoption stalls.
Speaker ASo option one, AI adoption stalls.
Speaker AOr there's some type of, I don't know, cataclysmic financial situation of one of these companies and then has reverberating impacts.
Speaker ARecession trigger right there.
Speaker ATo think of a dot com bubble burst.
Speaker AThat's real.
Speaker AThat happens.
Speaker CAnd there's.
Speaker CAnd there's a reason why I feel like the headlines are as optimistic as they are, and they're all still promoting growth.
Speaker CAnd the GDP numbers are, well, the US can't afford a recession right now.
Speaker AAnd the US all in on this
Speaker Cbecause when they, when we, when we do, in fact, whether it gets actually labeled a recession or not, Right.
Speaker CThe thing is, with the headline risk of it being a recession, things just tend to go down even further, which ultimately means less tax revenue, which ultimately means debt ceiling has to go up even higher.
Speaker CRight?
Speaker ASo there is no solution to this, by the way.
Speaker AThere is no solution to the debt.
Speaker ASo the debt is so big of a snowball rolling down such a steep hill at this point in time, you're not stopping it.
Speaker AYeah, okay.
Speaker AFind another solution.
Speaker BAnd everybody's like, oh, is going to solve this problem.
Speaker BNo, it's not.
Speaker CIt's a game.
Speaker CIt feels like a game of chicken.
Speaker AIt is a game of chicken.
Speaker CIt's right.
Speaker CIt feels like we need to hurry up and get this to a point where it's all become profitable because almost all of these AI projects are all operating on a loss right now.
Speaker CAnd we need to hurry up and get to a point where it's profitable.
Speaker BLet me give you the best possible scenario.
Speaker BAnd it's fucked up too.
Speaker BI'll give you the best possible scenario.
Speaker AAI is successful, okay?
Speaker BAI is successful.
Speaker BWe get AGI in the not too distant future, Artificial General intelligence is as intelligent as you, as me as a human.
Speaker BNow I got a bot that can do my job better than me because I spent the last year, year and a half programming and how to do my job because I was too lazy to do my own goddamn job.
Speaker BSo I went out using LLM, and the LLM learned how to do my job because I kept asking questions about how to do my own job, right?
Speaker BSo now I got AGI, which can do my job, which they don't pay a salary, no health care, no HR problems.
Speaker BSo companies eventually shift to that, as begrudgingly as they may be.
Speaker BSo all the manual work's gone.
Speaker BThey keep one supervisor, two supervisors to oversee the results and just fill through things at a high level because you need some human interaction for now.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BAnd then you got a population of Americans who aren't working and you say, okay, well, guess what?
Speaker BElon Musk has been touting universal basic income.
Speaker BUbi.
Speaker BExcept here's a problem.
Speaker CAndrew Yang.
Speaker BYeah, we've seen how capitalism works, Chief.
Speaker BYou know how this works?
Speaker BThe rich assholes stay rich by not giving you as much as they're getting.
Speaker CI Feel like they're going to be fair this time, though.
Speaker BNo, they're not.
Speaker CCome on.
Speaker BThat's not the way this plays out.
Speaker BSo you know what happens?
Speaker BEverybody gets ubi.
Speaker BAnd those who have assets, who have tactile wages and actual, like, earnings from companies they own still make money.
Speaker BEverybody else gets the same socialist pot of pie to fuck around with.
Speaker CThey're going to give us UBI and I hope they get UTIs.
Speaker BThat's the kind of humor we're at on this.
Speaker ASorry.
Speaker CSorry.
Speaker EThat's what we're.
Speaker BSorry.
Speaker BDrink some cranberry juice, kids.
Speaker AGood for you.
Speaker CI mean, it's grim, man.
Speaker BIt's grim.
Speaker BAnd look, I don't want to be a pessimist and I'm not trying to be like, you know, over the top and pushing my thoughts on people, but that's the best scenario.
Speaker BYeah, that's dark.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker CAnd in the worst case scenario, it flops.
Speaker CWhat does that mean?
Speaker ARight.
Speaker CListen, even if you're in this space and let's just say you've been sitting on the sidelines, you're like, yeah, I get Max seven and all that, but, like, I'm not.
Speaker CI'm still new to investing.
Speaker CI don't want to.
Speaker CI don't want to get into this.
Speaker CLook, for everyday, average Americans, your 401ks are going to get hit.
Speaker CYour 401ks are all invested into these large caps, right?
Speaker CInto the S&P 500.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker CIt's like these companies are propping up everything.
Speaker CIf it goes down and say you didn't invest in it directly, indirectly, you're in it.
Speaker DRight?
Speaker CSo everyone's going to feel it.
Speaker AYeah, well, look, I can.
Speaker AI can throw out a ton of different variants of how you can make money using agent AI.
Speaker BAnd I might even.
Speaker AI'll throw out.
Speaker AYou know what, if you listen to the end of the show, I'll throw out at least five solid ideas and ways to make money with agent AI right now.
Speaker AThat'll make money.
Speaker ALook at that.
Speaker CHopefully you stuck around this long to get that teaser.
Speaker A22 minutes.
Speaker BIf you haven't got the teaser.
Speaker AAll right, let's get back to the
Speaker BMoody chart real quick.
Speaker CThat should be the intro for the show.
Speaker AAI powered stock market is overvalued, bordering on frothy.
Speaker BThis is from the Moody's analysis.
Speaker AThere's many, many charts and graphs.
Speaker AI pulled this one out.
Speaker ALook at.
Speaker BThe only other spike since the 1960s
Speaker Ato now is the Y2K bubble.
Speaker AAnd this looks very much like that bubble.
Speaker BIt's not at the height of where it was once at.
Speaker AWe're at about 20 versus 25, but
Speaker Bwe're not, we're about 20% of the way off.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker CAnd if this gets corrected like that dot com bubble, look, in the dot com bubble, it, it, it erased about $5 trillion in values in U.
Speaker CS equities.
Speaker BAnd just be clear, AI is not going anywhere.
Speaker BI'm not saying that it will.
Speaker BThe Internet didn't go anywhere.
Speaker ARight, Right.
Speaker BNo one's saying that it did, but everybody said, oh, you know, Internet's gonna take your jobs.
Speaker BThe Internet changed a lot of jobs.
Speaker BIt created a lot of jobs.
Speaker BBut the Internet's purpose was never to take people's jobs.
Speaker BAI's purpose, it was to promote, to take your jobs.
Speaker CIt was really to promote jobs.
Speaker ARight?
Speaker CYeah, exactly.
Speaker BSo the only way this becomes AI takes jobs.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker BThere is no world, there is no outcome.
Speaker BI don't care who's telling you this, okay?
Speaker BJust trust me, bro.
Speaker BNo, yeah, okay.
Speaker BThe whole purpose, the only way this capex spend, makes money is if people lose jobs.
Speaker BThat's it.
Speaker BEnd of statement.
Speaker CAnd there ha.
Speaker CThere have been a few cities now that are on record where they've actually been able to stop it at before they started building out the data centers and they've, they put an end to it where data centers were supposed to get built out in certain cities and communities come out and they were able to stop it.
Speaker CI don't have the names off the top of my head.
Speaker CMaybe Rajeel can look them up.
Speaker AThat's all right, let's keep going with this.
Speaker CBut that could potentially be like.
Speaker CThat in and of itself is a signal to the markets too, where people are getting hit to this.
Speaker CAnd like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker CWe don't want none of that in our community.
Speaker ARight, well, yeah, and now you've got the White House supposed to announce any day now that XAI and all the major AI players are going to have some type of power, like access something going on with the White House.
Speaker AWe're going to give them nuclear power.
Speaker AAnd I'm sitting here going like, so
Speaker Bwe're just going now like no one's like, you know, maybe we shouldn't use a fast charger here.
Speaker BYou know, I mean, let's keep the battery preserved.
Speaker BYou know, it's just, it's just nuts that that announcement is looming.
Speaker AIt's been all over the, the, the Twitter sphere, or the X sphere I think is what you call it now.
Speaker AWhatever.
Speaker BSo also overall, AI So this is the conclusion here.
Speaker BOverall AI lifts productivity and output, but labor market effects and measurement challenges mean outcomes aren't guaranteed.
Speaker AI believe it is guaranteed.
Speaker ANo offense, Mark.
Speaker AYou're still my zaddy, but that's the way it works.
Speaker COkay, Mr. Zandy, we.
Speaker AWe got history.
Speaker AAll right, let's go to the Forbes article.
Speaker AReill.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker BAnd this came out this morning, and
Speaker AI read this literally at like 2am and in between my usual thinking about Saeed naked, this is what I was.
Speaker AThis is what I was on.
Speaker CYou're welcome.
Speaker AOh, that sucks.
Speaker AOh, it's okay.
Speaker AOkay, well, you got to have membership to go to Forbes 1 membership.
Speaker ACan you close this?
Speaker CDude, they want all the memberships.
Speaker EThat's whack.
Speaker AOkay, well, screw you, Forbes.
Speaker AWe're not.
Speaker AWe're not subscribing.
Speaker AAll right, so I already have it here in the show notes because I'm that kind of guy.
Speaker AI plagiarize everything.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker AAll right.
Speaker AReport jobs that are most and least impacted by AI Any guesses?
Speaker ABoys, before we go on the list,
Speaker CI mean, all the trade stuff, right?
Speaker CSo plumbers, electricians.
Speaker ANo, the most.
Speaker CLeast impacted.
Speaker AMost and least impacted.
Speaker COkay, so least.
Speaker CSo least impacted.
Speaker AI mean, trade stuff.
Speaker CYeah, Trade stuff.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker CBut like financial sector stuff.
Speaker CAnalysts work.
Speaker CYikes.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ACall centers.
Speaker CCall.
Speaker CYeah, that's a big one.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker CCall centers.
Speaker BWell, that.
Speaker CThat one.
Speaker CThat one makes me a little more so because you got to really get your whole customer base to adopt it and not get too frustrated.
Speaker ANo, no, no, dude, I know.
Speaker AOkay, so little backstory on AI that maybe people don't understand.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker AAI has been used by the military for over 10 years.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker CYeah, yeah.
Speaker AThey've been using it in the field because they want to make quick decisions in the battlefield without this human emotional pause element.
Speaker AAnd a quicker decision can mean life or death.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AThey've already started the transition to making those decisions in the battlefield operation centers, where now people who are normally humans looking at the total talent of circumstances make decisions.
Speaker ANow the humans are reviewing part of the AI in their decision making process.
Speaker ARight, Right.
Speaker AI said to do this.
Speaker AHere's what we think.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker AIs a line.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker AThe logic's good, right?
Speaker BSo that's been in use for years.
Speaker AYou are fooling yourself if you think that AI isn't good enough right now to.
Speaker ATo sound almost human.
Speaker CSee, in theory.
Speaker CIn theory, that sounds great.
Speaker CLike from a bird's eye view, high level.
Speaker COkay, we talked about this.
Speaker COne of your former classmates or maybe professors at Yale.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker CSomething brown.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AJim Brown.
Speaker CJim Brown, right.
Speaker CThat's who it was.
Speaker CAnd he was online, but he was
Speaker Bwarning about this like five years ago.
Speaker CFive years, yeah.
Speaker CBecause he was hip to it probably.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AHe was talking about quantum computing and all of that back.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker CAnd I remember we.
Speaker CI was watching one of his interviews and it said, you know, at some point, eventually you have so much data.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker CThat all the cars out there are all like.
Speaker CThis is just one example.
Speaker CAre all operating off of this AI.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker CAnd you probably decrease the number of deaths in car accidents by over 95%.
Speaker CSo everyone's willing to adopt this.
Speaker CWhat do you mean 95% less people die from car accidents?
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker CTake.
Speaker ADid you see dara the Uber CEO on Diary of a CEO recently?
Speaker CNo.
Speaker AHe literally just said, like in 10 years, 95% of our workforce will be AI.
Speaker AWe won't have anybody driving cars.
Speaker CYeah, See, so then, and then you got to.
Speaker CBut then you got to think this from a high level.
Speaker CRight?
Speaker CThat sounds great.
Speaker COkay.
Speaker CBut then you think, okay, it's going to come down, make a decision.
Speaker CIf I go this way, or God forbid, if ever were to happen, the.
Speaker CThe case that it does, if I go this way, two people die.
Speaker CIf I go this way, one person dies.
Speaker CIt obstacle, path of least resistance.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker CI'm gonna go this way.
Speaker CBut what if it's one on one?
Speaker CAnd then, and then, and then, and then Jim Brown.
Speaker CAnd then Jim Brown says, Chris's genes
Speaker Bare better than Sayed.
Speaker CJeans are better than Sayed's.
Speaker COr how about this?
Speaker CHe paid more in taxes than Said.
Speaker COr how about this?
Speaker CHe's at the end of his lifespan.
Speaker CThis person has still a lot of life to live.
Speaker CYeah, no, like, look like who factors all this in?
Speaker CAnd then I think what Mr. Brown said.
Speaker CAnd then he's like, I think at that point you just got to decide.
Speaker CAnd that's the part where I was
Speaker Blike, nope, I'm out.
Speaker BNo, thank you.
Speaker BChris's hair looks mighty thin.
Speaker BWeak genetics.
Speaker CNo, but it's like, it's like usually when you hear stuff like that, it's like, no, no, no, no.
Speaker CThat's not like you're going to tell me that I decided.
Speaker CBut really it was programmed by something on the back end that I'm not a hip to or aware of.
Speaker ABut let me, let me be just horribly cruel.
Speaker AOkay?
Speaker AThese decisions are already happening on battlefields every single day.
Speaker CYeah, yeah, right.
Speaker AIn real wartime scenarios.
Speaker AThat's how this happens.
Speaker AAnd that, that's, that's the cost of speed, of efficiency, of decision making.
Speaker AYou save millions of lives by making decision quickly, even if it was in the same one you would have made if you had more time.
Speaker AAnd that sucks.
Speaker ABut that, that's the reality of it.
Speaker AAnd that's unfortunately where AI goes.
Speaker AAnd let's go through this, this report a little bit because I'll tell you how it affects you and me as opposed to the battlefield.
Speaker A93% of jobs in the US can be done at least partially by AI.
Speaker A93%.
Speaker CThat's not good.
Speaker BThat's not a small number.
Speaker CThat's not good.
Speaker AAccording to a new study.
Speaker AAnd companies should shift more than 4.5 trillion in labor costs to AI.
Speaker AAnd where do you think that 4.5 is shifting from?
Speaker CSee, it feels like Congress is taking a little too long to take action
Speaker Abecause they don't give a shit about you and me.
Speaker BYou want to know why our representatives, for the most part, I mean, AOC
Speaker Aand some younger representatives excluded here, are
Speaker Bso old, they don't give a about us.
Speaker BThey care about their main constituents of voting population, which also happen to be generally older demographics who are the same people.
Speaker BThe president doesn't want to lose value in their homes.
Speaker BI get that.
Speaker BFine.
Speaker BThere's.
Speaker AWho voted for you.
Speaker AAll good.
Speaker BBut then how are you going to solve the affordability crisis?
Speaker BOh, we'll have lower interest rates.
Speaker AYes.
Speaker BIt's the easiest lever to move.
Speaker BExcept guess what, this does not solve the problem.
Speaker BIt drives values up over time.
Speaker BAnd okay, if you want values to go up over time, you know how you solve the affordability crisis under that scenario where you have lower interest rates and higher home values?
Speaker BYou got to pay more money.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker BYou just told me that you're not going to pay me more money, Chris, because it's going to take my job.
Speaker COne.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker COne way to solve the home affordability crisis is to allow values to crash.
Speaker CAnd guess who's not going to allow
Speaker Avalues to crash again in ubi if
Speaker Bwe all have the same income?
Speaker BHow the hell are any of us going to buy houses unless we get the same manufactured prefab home for everybody in America?
Speaker BIs that what we're talking about?
Speaker CYou heard about the new proposals that are out, right?
Speaker CSo, so they want, they want Trump homes.
Speaker AOkay, I'm sorry, what now?
Speaker CTrump homes.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker AIs that, what does that mean?
Speaker CSo these are proposals that.
Speaker CSo he wants to build more homes and he's going out to the builders saying we need to build more homes.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker CAnd a million more homes to come online.
Speaker CAnd the investors, whatever private equity Companies that come into this will allow you to, you know, rent the home.
Speaker CAnd for the first three years, those payments that you rented can go towards a down payment of the home.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker CSo it's essentially a rent to own type model.
Speaker ASo now we're going to extort people into three years of guaranteed free cash flow for land.
Speaker BI'm a landlord and I don't want someone staying with me because they need to.
Speaker AThis is not serious, is it really?
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker COh, no, this is, this is that.
Speaker AHolmes refers to a distinct, distinct concept of early 2026 high end luxury real estate developed by the Trump Organization.
Speaker BHow is that not a conflict?
Speaker CYeah, and they'll be.
Speaker CExactly.
Speaker CAnd they want.
Speaker CHe's going to force Fannie and Freddie to get behind this.
Speaker ERight.
Speaker CSo this is, this is, this, this is one of the solutions proposals that's on the table.
Speaker CAnd you're like, I don't know, man,
Speaker BI feel like, I feel like dystopian movie.
Speaker AI feel like we're like the bad guy ascends and won't ever like lose power.
Speaker BAnd I'm not like this is going to sound political.
Speaker AIt's not political.
Speaker AIt's the entire class of politicians, Republican and Democrat.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AI feel like this elite class of special kind of asshole is taking over
Speaker Band it's just getting to the point where I'm just, I'm, I'm at my wits end.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BAnd the sad part is then you see someone like Jerome Powell, who I respect saying we just haven't seen the job numbers.
Speaker BHe came out literally yesterday saying AI may have had a bigger impact on
Speaker Ajobs than we have.
Speaker AWe've seen in the data.
Speaker CBut no, Jerome, but unemployment goes down and they're saying the labor market is strong.
Speaker CMeanwhile, just literally I'm pulling up CNBC as I'm like in the parking lot here.
Speaker CEBay, eBay, 800 jobs, 800 jobs, 6% of its workforce.
Speaker CI'm like, all I'm seeing, all I'm seeing is people laying off.
Speaker CAnd you're telling me that the job market is strong.
Speaker CI'm not seeing any positivity.
Speaker CYeah, zero positivity.
Speaker AWith.
Speaker AIn the world's defense, those headlines don't
Speaker Bsell because you know, you're not going to, you're not going to drown on all the bad stuff with like, oh, but don't worry, Target's hiring.
Speaker CYeah, yeah, you know, you know, I
Speaker Bmean it's not going to happen.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BSo it's a, it's a grim look and look, that's what sells and here's what you know.
Speaker BIt sells.
Speaker BEvery single one of us, those listening to the show, everybody watching this stuff on the platforms, every single one of you has an inkling of fear and concern because of the uncertainty.
Speaker BWhat happens next?
Speaker BHumans like certainty.
Speaker BWe're tribal.
Speaker AWe like to know what's going to happen in the future.
Speaker BYou like the confidence of stability.
Speaker BAnd what rocks that stability is unchartered technology which could in fact challenge you for your job.
Speaker BWe know 93% according to Forbes, 4.5 trillion in quote money being shifted to allocate towards that.
Speaker BWe're all afraid.
Speaker BWe just don't want to say the quiet part out loud.
Speaker BAnd some people are like, oh, Chris, there's always jobs that are created.
Speaker BOkay, fuck you, guy.
Speaker ARight?
Speaker BYou and I both know that you're afraid.
Speaker BAnd you want to know why?
Speaker BThis consumer sentiment study's out right now.
Speaker BIt says the wealthier earning population is more afraid than the not wealthy population.
Speaker BYou want to know why people do an actual manual labor who aren't training those models every single day inquiry.
Speaker BAnd the people are stocking shelves, right?
Speaker BThey're not as worried about their jobs, Chief, because they ain't going to be stocking shelves.
Speaker CSo I know what a people, a lot of people who are kind of hit to the space that have been listening to us for some time now because they've been in my DMs, but they're hopeful.
Speaker AI'm probably upset with my rage bait this episode.
Speaker CNo, they don't know which way to root for.
Speaker CRight?
Speaker BDid you say yeah.
Speaker AWhat?
Speaker CYeah, you're upset at me, bro.
Speaker BDon't make me.
Speaker CI'm not gonna be able to sleep tonight.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker CThe part that they're secretly rooting for that they don't want to admit to is do.
Speaker CMaybe I want all of it to fail to just secure my.
Speaker COur jobs for.
Speaker CFor as long as we can.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BIf you've been coding AI.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BYeah, imagine that, right?
Speaker BYou could work one day and AI tells you itself.
Speaker AHey, bro, you go home.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker CYour login doesn't work anymore.
Speaker CYou go, you go to scan in.
Speaker CIt just beeps.
Speaker CNope, you are not allowed.
Speaker CAccess denied.
Speaker AYeah, I'm gonna need the ID back.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker CYou are the weakest link.
Speaker CGoodbye.
Speaker DSo we all have to start thinking about a plan B. Yeah.
Speaker AOh, don't worry.
Speaker AI get the plan B.
Speaker CThe plan B will be at the end of the show if you're still plugged in.
Speaker CBut it's like.
Speaker CBut here's the thing.
Speaker CJust like the dot com Bubble.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker CAll the infrastructure and all the technology behind all this is already being built out.
Speaker CToo much money's into it.
Speaker CSo even if it, let's say, crashes
Speaker Bor it pops, it's not going to be here.
Speaker CIt'll be here and then it'll just pick up after.
Speaker BThey'll be winners and losers.
Speaker BYeah, yeah.
Speaker BUnfortunately, we're the losers.
Speaker AHumanity.
Speaker BNot you and me.
Speaker BJust.
Speaker AJust to be clear.
Speaker BSo let me keep going with this
Speaker Abecause I got a lot of data and we're only halfway to the show and there's a whole lot here.
Speaker BAnd trust me, you want to stay
Speaker Athrough the end on this one because.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AI'm going to hit you right in the ding ding with some stuff that you're going to talk to your friends about.
Speaker CYou don't have ding dings.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AEven the non ding dings of you.
Speaker AAll right.
Speaker BResearchers study more than 18,000 tasks across
Speaker A1,000 jobs to determine where AI could be applied.
Speaker BThe Upsh AI capability is growing fast.
Speaker AThat's the upshot.
Speaker AIt's cute.
Speaker BAnd it could soon take over an even larger segment of the economy.
Speaker BThat's the positive news.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker BThe report is an update of a 2023 study, Cognizant, a global IT services
Speaker Aand consulting firm with over 20 billion
Speaker Bin annual revenue, conducted across the same
Speaker Anumber of jobs and tasks.
Speaker BThe UPS AI driven change is coming sooner than expected.
Speaker AYou think?
Speaker BSoftware development is one of the most heavily impacted areas.
Speaker AYou saw that with the SaaS companies getting hit pretty hard.
Speaker AThe stock market recently.
Speaker AAlthough there's been a rebound today, LLMs have improved in their ability to code.
Speaker BOthers include business and financial operation jobs, management roles, office and administrative support roles, and legal analysts.
Speaker BAccording to the report, the top six most impacted jobs by percentage of tasks that can be done by AI as of today.
Speaker BNumber one, financial managers.
Speaker B84 impacted.
Speaker AClaude just rolled out Financial wealth management.
Speaker AOh, wow.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BPress control plus.
Speaker AI don't think you can make that bigger, Jill.
Speaker AYeah, you know, don't worry about it.
Speaker AWe can, we can.
Speaker AWe'll use the sexy sounds of Chris's voice, too.
Speaker AGive you the list.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AThere you just put title.
Speaker AThere you go.
Speaker CBoom.
Speaker AThere you go.
Speaker AEveryone's up.
Speaker BAll right, so number two, computer and mathematical roles.
Speaker A67% impacted.
Speaker AMakes sense.
Speaker ASix, seven.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BAll right, number three, business and financial operations.
Speaker B60 to 68 impacted.
Speaker BOkay, that's a pretty broad category, Guy.
Speaker ABusiness, business and financial operations.
Speaker CEntire operations.
Speaker AJesus.
Speaker ARight?
Speaker BOffice and administrative support.
Speaker A60 and 68% impacted.
Speaker CYeah, I can see that.
Speaker AYeah, I can, too.
Speaker DIt's crazy.
Speaker BLegal occupations, oh, 63% impacted.
Speaker AHere's the one that I love the most.
Speaker AYou ready?
Speaker BYou ready?
Speaker BAll you big shots out there earning big paychecks, thinking that you're hot shit, you can't be replaced.
Speaker BManagement jobs, including C suite, 60% impacted.
Speaker CCan you imagine?
Speaker BYou don't need executives running into things anymore.
Speaker BYou know people are gonna do, right?
Speaker BThe whole point of being an executive, a senior leader in a corporation is you're gonna lead either one culturally, which I'm gonna be honest, most of these assholes are so disconnected to, they can't do.
Speaker BAnd number two is that you provide some level of seniority and tenure of time.
Speaker BCause you have experience.
Speaker BI guarantee you that.
Speaker BLLM, you've been training Chief.
Speaker BCause you haven't been doing full time.
Speaker BDo you watch the CNBC and golf all day long.
Speaker BCan do your job better than you now, right?
Speaker CImagine you go to any corporate office in, in the C suite, corner office.
Speaker CIt's just a MacBook mini.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BLittle Mac Mini.
Speaker CA little Mac Mini Jillian.
Speaker CIt's like, that's my boss.
Speaker BI guess that's your boss.
Speaker BThat's gonna happen.
Speaker BYou laugh.
Speaker BYeah, that's real.
Speaker BCan you imagine doing performance review?
Speaker BYou take lunches, minus one, you go home.
Speaker AAll right.
Speaker CI'd be interested to see like what, what Claude thinks about in office versus work from home.
Speaker CI would be interested to see what it has to say about that.
Speaker AI've never gone on that path.
Speaker AWe'll do that on an episode.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AAll right.
Speaker BSo I am going to go into
Speaker Athe next chapter of my rant and for full disclosure, I did give everybody like full like heads up.
Speaker AThis was going to be this kind of episode.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AI mean, I wasn't hiding the ball here, was I?
Speaker DNo, no.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker CYou did say be careful.
Speaker AI did.
Speaker AI did call Saeed before the show and say, hey bro, I apologize in advance because I'm pissed off.
Speaker AAll right.
Speaker ASo I went down a bit of a rabbit hole last night, which started with Microsoft's announcement of their investment into OpenAI.
Speaker AThey put out this press release just brought on the screen here.
Speaker AOpenAI, Microsoft.
Speaker ALook, it looks all sexy and branded
Speaker Cand more circular financing.
Speaker AOh my God.
Speaker BSince 2019, Microsoft and OpenAI have shared
Speaker Aa vision to advance artificial intelligence reasonably and make its benefits broadly accessible.
Speaker BReally?
Speaker AI thought your plan was to get rich.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BWeird.
Speaker BWhat began as an investment in research organization has grown into one of the most successful partnerships in our industry.
Speaker AWhat started as a non profit is now very profitable.
Speaker AAnd we like that profit.
Speaker ASo we want more, more profit as
Speaker Bwe enter the next phase of this partnership.
Speaker BWe signed a new definitive agreement that builds on our foundation, strengthens our partnership and sets the stage for long term success for both organizations.
Speaker AYeah, we're robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Speaker AAnd he's Peter and I'm Paul.
Speaker ARight, right.
Speaker AAll right.
Speaker BFirst, Microsoft supports the OpenAI board moving
Speaker Aforward with formation of a public benefit corporation and recapitalization, I. E. Giving them lots of money.
Speaker BFollowing the recapitalization, Microsoft holds an Investment
Speaker Ain Open AI Group PBC, the public
Speaker Bbenefit corporation valued at approximately $135 billion.
Speaker CIt's a lot of money.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BRepresenting roughly 27% on an on.
Speaker BOn an AS converted diluted basis, inclusive
Speaker Aof all owners, employees, investors and the OpenAI Foundation.
Speaker BExcluding the impact of OpenAI's recent funding rounds, Microsoft held a 32.5% stake on
Speaker Aan as converted basis of OpenAI for profit.
Speaker BOkay, so I'm going to take all this, which sounded really complex and just really cerebral.
Speaker BIt made you go, oh, they want to make the world a better place for you.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker ASo I'm going to, I'm going to say this to you colloquially.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AGangsters like 50 Cent, we're here, right?
Speaker CTake me behind the curtain.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AWhat if I told you a giant company announced a multi billion dollar investment in a startup?
Speaker COh, okay.
Speaker CThey must really believe in this thing.
Speaker AThere you go, that's a good one.
Speaker BAnd the startup immediately turned around and
Speaker Aused that money to buy the giant company's own product.
Speaker AWait a minute, wait a minute.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BSo the investor gets to say, look
Speaker Aat us funding the future, I. E.
Speaker BWhat Microsoft has just said.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BThe startup goes, gets to say, look at us at our explosive revenue growth,
Speaker Awhich is what OpenAI is saying.
Speaker ARight, Right.
Speaker BAnd the cash, well, it's basically leaves to the same door it came in.
Speaker AMicrosoft says, I'm giving you OpenAI a bunch of money.
Speaker BAnd OpenAI says, hey, I'm giving you a bunch of money.
Speaker AThere you go.
Speaker AThat would be money laundering in other circumstances.
Speaker ABut fine, whatever.
Speaker AThis is accounting.
Speaker CI mean we've all seen this happen with Enron.
Speaker BSo this sounds completely absurd whenever I break it down colloquially, but that's exactly
Speaker Awhat's going on with the investment in OpenAI right now.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BBig tech firms announce eye popping multibillion dollar investments.
Speaker BOpenAI then uses a huge portion of that capital to buy cloud compute infrastructure and services generally from the exact same company writing the check.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker BIt's not venture capital in the Traditional sense, because venture capital puts money in
Speaker Afor they have a risk of loss.
Speaker BWith this upside potential, it's prepaid infrastructure spend with a valuation headline attached.
Speaker BBasically, they can say, hey, look, we're making more money, so you should value
Speaker Aour company as more.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BThat's how OpenAI is currently achieving their valuations.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BMicrosoft donates over a hundred billion dollars.
Speaker BThey say they're making more than $100 billion, but they're just passing it back to Microsoft.
Speaker BAnd then guess what?
Speaker BThey get to say, look, give us a multiple of our revenue, which in this case, $100 billion higher because what Microsoft did, even though we're giving it right back to Microsoft.
Speaker BSo you should value US OpenAI at a multiple of that $100 billion to make us worth trillions of dollars.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker CAnd it doesn't just, it doesn't just stop here with them.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker CNvidia says they're going to invest $100 billion into OpenAI.
Speaker CAnd OpenAI uses Nvidia's chips.
Speaker AThat's right.
Speaker BDing, ding, ding, ding.
Speaker CLook.
Speaker CSo it's happening here, it's happening there, and it's all flowing.
Speaker AOh, we got a chart for that.
Speaker ADon't worry, we'll get to that a minute here.
Speaker BNow, let's add it all to scale
Speaker Aand make the numbers make sense.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker BOpenAI's annualized revenue surpassed $20 billion in
Speaker A2025, up from about 6 billion in 2024.
Speaker BThat in and of itself was a good number.
Speaker BIn February 2026, OpenAI told investors its plans to spend 600 billion on compute infrastructure through 2030.
Speaker AThat was down from 1.3 trillion in the prior announcements.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AThat figure itself was whacked down.
Speaker ACEO Sam Altman was like, well, maybe that was a bit of an overreach.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BSo he got it in more than half, from 1.3, 1.4 trillion down to 600.
Speaker A600 million.
Speaker BThis is still a company that, that with tens of billions in revenue and hundreds of billions of dollars in future spend.
Speaker CThat's hundreds of billions.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BThat's like me committing to spending tens
Speaker Aof millions of dollars because I know I'm going to make that much in the future.
Speaker BYeah, I got work that much.
Speaker CI got it.
Speaker BI'm like that.
Speaker BI'm the new king, right?
Speaker BI'm like that.
Speaker EGive it to me.
Speaker BYeah, look.
Speaker BDoes this face look like a face that would lie to you?
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BTrust me, bro.
Speaker CI'm good.
Speaker CHey, I'm good for it, bro.
Speaker BYou know this.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker BI'm one song away from 50 Cent.
Speaker BThat's it.
Speaker BJust one.
Speaker AOne.
Speaker BI go viral one time.
Speaker CGive me, just give me a Dr. Dre sample.
Speaker BThis is financial engineering with very, very,
Speaker Avery good pr but a gambling mast as venture capital type structure.
Speaker BIt's like the biggest sports bettor in
Speaker AVegas telling you what he is betting on and then betting on you betting on him because he told you what he was betting on.
Speaker CGangster.
Speaker CThat was a good reference, right?
Speaker AThat was all me too.
Speaker AThat was an AI.
Speaker AYeah, that was good.
Speaker AThat's all, that's all Chris's.
Speaker ABecause everything goes back to a Vegas sports reference now.
Speaker BOkay, now in the show notes is this chart.
Speaker AMake it as big as you can.
Speaker ARejeel.
Speaker BThis is prior to the Microsoft deal announcement.
Speaker BThis is the inner workings and I'm
Speaker Agoing to give you a little bit of a backstory from a credit and
Speaker Bfinance perspective that not all of you listen to the show are going to know.
Speaker COkay?
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker BConcentration bad.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker BSingle event risk bad.
Speaker BAnytime you make any kind of credit decision, whether you're in venture capital, you're in hedge funds, wherever you are, if you're buying for your own stock, you don't put all of your money into one company for your 401k.
Speaker BYou spread it amongst the world so you have less single event risk.
Speaker BIf one company goes down, in theory, it shouldn't tank your entire investment.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker CIf you ever.
Speaker CIf you're, if I'm underwriting a company and they sell a product and they say, Look, I made two, I have some, I made $2 million last year and selling all these products and, and these companies have to keep coming back and buying more products.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker CThey, they need me.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker CAnd then I take a look at all the companies that are coming and buying your product and one company makes up 90% of all that.
Speaker CIt's like that's a huge concentration.
Speaker CWhat if you lose that company?
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BSo basically this is showing the Nvidia at the center and around Nvidia are two big ass circles.
Speaker BOpenAI and Oracle.
Speaker BNow OpenAI is clearly the biggest offender between Nvidia and OpenAI.
Speaker BEverybody is pimping everybody some money and
Speaker Agetting money back from this architect.
Speaker BAnd if you have, if you're driving, trust me, it's bad.
Speaker BIt's incestual as shit.
Speaker BIt's not good.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker BIf this were dating relationships, you wouldn't
Speaker Asleep with any of these people.
Speaker AMaybe Oracle.
Speaker BMaybe Oracle.
Speaker AWhy?
Speaker BBecause Oracle's only got a couple ins and one out.
Speaker CLike it's just, you know, and the owner's the owner.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BSo I mean it is what it is.
Speaker BBut you got amd, Microsoft nebulous Core Weave, intel Nvidia XAI figure, Mistral n scale.
Speaker AI mean it goes on and on
Speaker Cand on and on.
Speaker BIsn't.
Speaker AI think.
Speaker CAnd the US they're a large.
Speaker CConsidered a large investor into Intel.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker CThey have like 9 or 10 ownership stake in the company.
Speaker AAnd then you got Claude, which is Anthropic, which has government contracts which are now being moved to like a higher risk category if Anthropic doesn't open up their code to the government.
Speaker AI mean, it's a whole dog and pony.
Speaker CBy the way, recently how the CEO of Anthropic and OpenAI were on stage together and they refused to like hold.
Speaker BYeah, yeah, that was, that was Sam Altman who by the way, I'm gonna
Speaker Abe the guy who says it.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker BHe used to come off as so
Speaker Clikable and now for some reason I feel like it's taking a pivot.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker ARegill, this video that I gave you the link to get that prepped up.
Speaker ARemember?
Speaker CBecause he, he came out.
Speaker CI remember.
Speaker CI remember my first time like reading into him.
Speaker CHe's like, I.
Speaker CWe built out the.
Speaker CThe board of directors a certain way.
Speaker DRight.
Speaker CWhere it split down the middle where half of the people want high regulation and other half don't.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker CAnd that was, that was done intentionally.
Speaker AAll right.
Speaker AThis video is so.
Speaker AI'll be.
Speaker AI'm gonna give my bias out here before we.
Speaker AJill hits play.
Speaker C14 minutes long.
Speaker AIt's 14 minutes long and it's worth.
Speaker AIf you're listening for the show, you're gonna want to say for all 14 minutes.
Speaker AThis is impactful.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker AThis video we're gonna stop a couple times and talk about.
Speaker ABecause they're.
Speaker AThey're entry.
Speaker AExit points in this.
Speaker AThis video tells you a whole lot.
Speaker AAnd I'm sure it's available.
Speaker AI found it on.
Speaker AOn Facebook.
Speaker AA friend sent it to me.
Speaker AI'm sure it's available at other places, but.
Speaker ABut it's okay.
Speaker AWe're going to play it.
Speaker AThe audio is more important here than anything else.
Speaker AThis is a history in Sam Altman.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker AAnd.
Speaker AOh, okay.
Speaker AMost people don't know this.
Speaker BI have known a lot of this
Speaker Aand it's always bothered me.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker ASo full disclosure.
Speaker ARegil, when you're ready.
Speaker DLet's go.
Speaker DSorry.
Speaker ANo, no.
Speaker EWho's pretty friendly to big tech.
Speaker EAnd I'll explain in a second.
Speaker FHow can the company with 13 billion
Speaker Bin revenues make 1.4 trillion of spend commitments and you've heard the criticism, Sam.
Speaker AFirst of all, we're doing well.
Speaker FMore revenue than that.
Speaker FSecond of all, Brad, if you want to sell your shares, I'll find you a buyer.
Speaker AI just.
Speaker EEnough.
Speaker ESo why does Altman seem so upset here?
Speaker EAfter all, this interviewer is just pointing out a basic fact that OpenAI has committed to spend over $1 trillion on AI infrastructure over the next eight years, despite only bringing in around $13 billion a year in record recurring revenue, less than 1% of what they're promising to spend.
Speaker EI'm no money genius and I'm personally terrible at budgeting, but that doesn't seem great.
Speaker EMost of the supposed growth in the American economy in 2025 was caused by investment in AI.
Speaker EThat's all part of a promise being made by the industry led by Sam Altman, that once a certain level of machine learning intelligence is reached, all of our problems will be solved.
Speaker FThe housing crisis, cancer, poverty, climate change, mental health, democracy, universal basic income, cure a bunch of diseases, this cancer and that one, and heart disease.
Speaker FHelping you try to accomplish your goals and be your best, very high quality healthcare, important new scientific discoveries, the marginal cost of energy are going to trend rapidly towards zero.
Speaker FThe more equal world universal extreme is for everybody.
Speaker EIn exchange for all that, Altman is asking all of society to put all of our eggs, our data, our economy, our water and resources, everything into one basket.
Speaker EHis he's offering us one massive Just trust me, bro.
Speaker ESo shouldn't we trust Altman?
Speaker EShould we accept his deal?
Speaker EIs it even our choice?
Speaker EAltman isn't a technologist or scientist.
Speaker EHe's an investor and dealmaker and really good at it, supposedly.
Speaker EBut his whole career is a series of just trust me, bro moments.
Speaker ESo let's examine the deal Altman is offering all of us.
Speaker EShould we believe Sam Altman's promises?
Speaker EAnd what's the cost to the rest of us if those promises turn out to be lies?
Speaker ESo let's go back and look closer at Altman's early days in the tech industry.
Speaker EAltman's first big deal was selling his first company, Looped, a service for locating your friends.
Speaker EThat's something that inherently needs lots of users to work or else you're just locating yourself.
Speaker AThe operative idea seems to be ubiquity.
Speaker AI mean, get it out there in more ways than you can possibly imagine and make it to everybody.
Speaker EBut the whole time, Looped refused to say how many users they had.
Speaker EAltman just insisted there were, quote, way more users than any other similar service.
Speaker EIt turns out Though that towards the end, looped only had 500 users.
Speaker EWhen Reuters reported this, Altman insisted it was a hundred times more than that and that he'd provide evidence he never did.
Speaker EJust trust me, bro.
Speaker ELoot sold to the Green Dot Corporation, who shut it down immediately and never used any of the tech.
Speaker EGreen Dot investors allege it was a dirty deal done to enrich Sequoia Capital, a VC firm with a stake in Loot, and two board members at GreenDot who helped approve the deal.
Speaker EAltman left Green Dot as soon as he was legally able, walking away with millions for building an app that no longer existed in any form.
Speaker EAnd luckily for Altman, someone saw something in him.
Speaker EPeter Thiel.
Speaker EThiel, who once said that Altman should be treated as more of a messiah figure, gave Altman millions to start his own VC firm, Hydrazine Capital.
Speaker EAnd that's not all the capital Altman controls.
Speaker EHe was also hired as president of Y Combinator, or yc, an influential venture capital firm and startup incubator where Looped got its original funding.
Speaker FI think the president of YC is sort of the unofficial leader of the
Speaker Estartup movement, and Altman personally traded on that influence.
Speaker EThe New Yorker reports that up to 75% of hydrazine's capital was invested in YC companies.
Speaker EAllman used his inside view to get a cut of YC's power, despite Altman promising he didn't cross invest in YC companies.
Speaker EThat's two big lies so far.
Speaker EThe user base of loops that needed users to exist and his Investments.
Speaker EIn 2015, Altman leads YC into the investment you likely most know him for.
Speaker FHe's sort of a semi company, semi nonprofit, doing AI safety research.
Speaker EOpenAI was launched as the supposed nonprofit OpenAI foundation with a charter with a lot of lofty goals, a primary fiduciary duty to humanity, and avoiding enabling uses of AI or AGI that harm humanity or unduly concentrate power while acting to minimize conflicts of interest among our employees and stakeholders.
Speaker EThe evidence that they do that, just Trust me, bro.
Speaker EOpenAI's primary financial backers were tech billionaires and millionaires like Altman himself, Peter Thiel, Reid Hoffman and Elon Musk, and tech companies like Amazon Web Services and Infosys.
Speaker FWe wanted to build this with humanity's best interest at heart.
Speaker EBut in exchange, OpenAI is asking for a lot.
Speaker EPutting all of society's eggs in one basket, if you will.
Speaker EThey want electricity, water, infrastructure, capital, your data, your writing, your art, and for humanity to adjust to job loss.
Speaker EDeepfakes and everything else, all in exchange for some future promise of technology that fixes everything.
Speaker ESo can we trust him with all of this?
Speaker ELet's look at some of his biggest statements and promises to show how they tie to all the eggs in the basket.
Speaker EAltman insists he doesn't own any of OpenAI, and he barely takes his salary.
Speaker FI paid enough for health insurance.
Speaker FI have no equity in OpenAI.
Speaker FI'm doing this because I love it.
Speaker EBut he doesn't hide that he's already rich.
Speaker ETrying to do a rich guy using money for good Batman thing.
Speaker AThat Batman.
Speaker ASuch a wonderful person.
Speaker AI don't deserve it, but we millionaires decided that you do.
Speaker EBut let's look at how this is part of his honesty problem and it ties in to the eggs in the basket because Altman is invested in all the stuff necessary necessary to build OpenAI.
Speaker EOne of the eggs OpenAI needs is a ton of data.
Speaker EYou can't build a large language model without examples of language and content, and one source of that data is Reddit.
Speaker EAltman owns a big share of the social networking site and was on its board until 2022.
Speaker EReddit got its start in the same inaugural Y Combinator class as Loot.
Speaker EHere's Altman standing next to Reddit co founder Aaron Swartz in 2005.
Speaker ESwartz died by suicide in 2013 after being criminally charged for reproducing academic articles online and breaking copyright law.
Speaker EIn 2015, Altman made a deal with Reddit allowing OpenAI to, quote, basically aggressively scrape everything posted on the site to feed into OpenAI's tech.
Speaker EReddit co founder Alex Ohanian felt in his bones the deal was wrong.
Speaker EIt's a less noble version of what Reddit co founder Aaron Swartz was targeted by law enforcement for.
Speaker ESwartz wanted to open the knowledge up to everyone.
Speaker EAltman wanted to put it in his product.
Speaker EIn 2014, Altman promised that he and other investors would give 10% of Reddit's value back to the Reddit community.
Speaker EThat never happened due to regulatory issues.
Speaker EBut just like Reddit's data going to OpenAI, a look at the areas Altman's wealth is invested in show a deep connection to other needs of the organization.
Speaker EHe's invested in AI, networking equipment companies, thermal battery companies, and even companies mining the rare earth metals that server farms require.
Speaker EAnd once it's all built, Altman will profit off the problems AI creates.
Speaker EWe're going to focus on three rising energy demands and costs, misuse like fraud and deepfakes, and Job loss and economic collapse.
Speaker AHe makes money in those three.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker EAltman says again and again that OpenAI needs more power.
Speaker EThe quote, audacious long term goal is to build 250 gigawatts of capacity by 2033.
Speaker EThat much compute would require as much electricity as 1.5 billion people, the equivalent of the entire population of India.
Speaker EBut Altman has a solution.
Speaker ESince they first met in the early 2000s, Peter Thiel and Sam Altman have had a shared investing in nuclear power, which isn't inherently bad.
Speaker EOf course, nuclear can be an extremely efficient and clean form of energy, but Thiel and Altman want to own it.
Speaker EAltman is invested in Helion and Oklo.
Speaker EHelion is working to build the first ever nuclear fusion power plant, a type of energy creation that many scientists say won't work.
Speaker EAnd Oklo is building microreactors, literally truck sized nuclear reactors, which is a bit concerning considering this investment strategy.
Speaker FPart of our model is make the cost of mistakes really low and then make a lot of mistakes.
Speaker EBut for now, Oklo hasn't figured their reactors out yet and are just using gas to keep up with the promises they made.
Speaker ANuclear startup Oklo and natural gas firm Liberty Energy today announcing a partnership to provide energy to large scale customers.
Speaker EAltman has also invested in multiple companies offering protection against AI bad actors, identity verification to prevent deepfakes, and even companies offering insurance for losses due to AI scams and hacking.
Speaker EThat's like Batman not making any money off of crime fighting, but then selling Batmobile drove into my house insurance while also running the Uber for henchmen startup that the Riddler uses and selling the Joker white makeup.
Speaker EOne other big promise Altman makes is that when the AI he sees as inevitable makes many jobs obsolete, it'll create so much wealth that it can be shared with everyone.
Speaker EJust like his smaller scale Reddit promise.
Speaker EThat turned out to be bullshit and in 2024 he announced the product that'd supposedly offer that shared abundance.
Speaker EWorldCoin WorldCoin WorldCoin WorldCoin Worldcoin is a technology company and cryptocurrency funded by all the usual suspects of techno fascism.
Speaker EWorldcoin's backers say it can be a way to give out some form of universal basic income when AI starts replacing jobs.
Speaker FI think this idea that we have a global currency that is outside of the control of any government is a super logical and important step on the
Speaker Etech tree, but it also sells itself as a solution to identity verification problems created by AI.
Speaker EThey want to use these orbs as a method of trusted identity check.
Speaker EAnd you don't get your universal basic income until you scan your eyes into the orbs.
Speaker EAnd like many of Altman's other projects from looped to ChatGPT, it requires universal adoption to be of any business use.
Speaker EA currency and identification system are pretty useless if other people don't use them.
Speaker ESo again, Altman is making an offer.
Speaker EGive us your identity and we'll give you cryptocurrency.
Speaker EIt's a classic Altman deal.
Speaker EI'll fix everything if you sign over everything.
Speaker EJust trust me, bro.
Speaker EIt's almost like Altman wants to build a whole other economy just in case the one we have now falls apart.
Speaker EWell, we'll get to that.
Speaker EIn 2019, OpenAI gave up any pretense of being non profit and started a for profit branch, then spun the for profit out into its own entity in 2024.
Speaker EThat for profit organization has none of the same legal responsibilities as the nonprofit did and brought in new investors like Microsoft, which invested $13 billion, which OpenAI largely spent on Microsoft products.
Speaker EAnd it's not just Microsoft.
Speaker ENvidia has promised to invest $100 billion in OpenAI over the next few years.
Speaker EMoney that OpenAI will spend buying Nvidia chips.
Speaker EOpenAI has similar circular deals with AMD, the Qatari government, and Larry Ellison's Oracle.
Speaker EHow about the 20 bucks you owe me?
Speaker BWell, I only got 10, so here's
Speaker A10 I owe you 10.
Speaker BHey Mo, you owe me 20.
Speaker EWell, here's 10 I'll owe you 10.
Speaker AYou owe me 20.
Speaker AHere's 10, I'll get 10.
Speaker BHere's a 10 I owe you.
Speaker BHere's a 10.
Speaker BIOU.
Speaker EHere's a 10 I owe YOU.
Speaker CGood.
Speaker BNow we're all even.
Speaker EThe entire economy is tied to the success of Altman's project.
Speaker FWe might screw it up.
Speaker FLike this is the bet that we're making.
Speaker FWe're taking a risk along with that.
Speaker EWho is the we taking the bet?
Speaker EHere's OpenAI's CFO, banks, private equity, maybe even governmental.
Speaker BThe ways governments can come to bear.
Speaker BMeaning like a federal subsidy or something.
Speaker BMeaning like just first of all, the
Speaker Ebackstop, the guarantee that allows the financing to happen.
Speaker EThrough all of that stammering, The CFO of OpenAI is making a clear point.
Speaker EThe government, your tax dollars, are responsible for saving the AI project.
Speaker EThat's more eggs in the basket.
Speaker EAnd that basket is based on the promises of Sam Altman, who, as we've illustrated, lies and breaks promises a lot.
Speaker ESo if we really look at the basket.
Speaker EMaybe we shouldn't have been putting all those eggs in there.
Speaker EAnd it gets worse.
Speaker EWhile we were editing this video, News broke that OpenAI is seeking a 750 billion dollar valuation and is in talks with Amazon for a $10 billion investment.
Speaker EThat's money that OpenAI would spend on Amazon infrastructure.
Speaker ESo going to say, I'm going to need more eggs.
Speaker ASo this all happened, of course, before Microsoft upped their investment from 10 billion to over 100 billion.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker AAnd that is how they got their valuation.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker CAnd it's, and that's the thing, right.
Speaker CIn order for anything like this to really gain Steam is you need adoption.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker CAnd in order to, because look, our, our currency is a fiat currency and the only reason why it works is because everybody believes in it.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker CSo they're gonna go to any measure to make sure as many people adopt it to where there's leverage there now.
Speaker CYeah, yeah, man, I see it, I see it.
Speaker CYeah, it's like, it's when, when it, when it all first got released, I, I, I knew it because Tesla was great when it first got rolled out and everyone's driving the cars around, but really what it's doing is it's picking up all the data.
Speaker CAll your data is driving around.
Speaker CThat's, it's collecting data on where you're going, what you're doing, the cameras that it's around.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker CAll, everything that it's picking up on.
Speaker CIt's, it's really a collection of data.
Speaker CEveryone sees it as like a car company.
Speaker CNo, it's, it's, it's a data company.
Speaker AIf it was just a car company.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AIt wouldn't be stopping the production of Model X.
Speaker AAnd.
Speaker CYes.
Speaker AAnd the Model S stopping production because it was never about the cars.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker CIt was never about the cars.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker CSo,
Speaker Aso look, boys, we're in the overtime hours now.
Speaker AMark, I had a whole Jane street conversation we were going to have here and we'd probably say that for another show.
Speaker AIt's, it's insane.
Speaker AThe manipulation's gone on the bitcoin world.
Speaker AWe're going to hear more about that over time.
Speaker ABut I am legitimately afraid for the future in a way that I think is measurable.
Speaker AYou've got to own assets.
Speaker AAnd I promised something in the middle of the show that I was going to tell people how to make money with AI and some things that I've seen.
Speaker AAnd I'm going to fulfill that promise before we call it a wrap for today.
Speaker ALook, you've got to Own assets, you got to own a business, you just got to W2.
Speaker AWages are going to change.
Speaker AEven if you are still employed, your job is going to change.
Speaker AIt's going to be more review of work and less doing work.
Speaker AAnd if that's the case, then they're going to pay you more or less.
Speaker AThere's going to be more people doing your job or less people doing your job.
Speaker AThe math here just only works one way.
Speaker AThere's too much downside risk because.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker CThere will be more people out there that are willing to do your job for less.
Speaker AThat's right.
Speaker AAnd more people who need jobs.
Speaker ABecause UBI is not going to make people feel good about themselves, their lives.
Speaker ASo to be explicitly clear, right, like
Speaker Cwhat would UBI be like?
Speaker CI mean, is it going to keep up with Social Security?
Speaker CLike, what are we talking about?
Speaker AI mean, I doubt that highly.
Speaker AAny Social Security in and of itself is not enough.
Speaker AMy mom's on Social Security and I, I probably give her somewhere between 3, $4,000 a month in spending.
Speaker AYeah, let's be clear.
Speaker AYou have to adopt AI and you have to understand it.
Speaker AI'm not talking just using a learning language model.
Speaker AI'm talking about understanding agentic AI and understanding what's going on and keeping up to date with it.
Speaker ABecause if not, you're basically going back to the dot com bubble burst and saying, I'm not going to adopt the Internet.
Speaker AThat sounds absolutely asinine right now.
Speaker ASo I'm not telling everybody to avoid this technology.
Speaker AI'm telling you to get sharp and get good with it.
Speaker ARight now, number one, there are people that are using AI to help them make money directly.
Speaker ASome people, for example, have found out that if you have access to real time data feeds like Coinbase or in some of these accounts, you get access to data faster than Polymarket does.
Speaker ASo they're using agentic AI to make small bets on where Bitcoin is going in a delayed market like Polymarket, where more up to date real time feeds like Coinbase are telling them in seconds where it's going to be before the AI feeds get to them.
Speaker ASo if you have an agentic AI which can move fast, you can arbitrage that time because your speed of execution is faster.
Speaker AAnd people are literally filling up crypto wallets with just arbitrage bets like that.
Speaker CYeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker AThe predictions markets the wild wild west with AI and people are building agentic AI bots that do nothing besides place micro bets and make the money.
Speaker AIf they lose, they lose.
Speaker ABut if they Win, they win incremental bets.
Speaker AThose incremental bets are hundreds, if not thousands throughout a day, in a week.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ASo that's number one.
Speaker AAnd that's just people using the markets.
Speaker BAnd this is not illegal.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker AThis is just people using the data they have access to.
Speaker AAnd now we all have access to real time data and APIs like we've never seen before.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AAnd the world is not adjusted yet.
Speaker AAnd I know there's been the rhetoric and the fodder, but everybody thinks everybody's using AI.
Speaker AA lot of people are using learning language models like, you know, open cloud and stuff like that, but they don't realize.
Speaker AThey don't.
Speaker AI mean, not open cloud, they're using cloud, they're using or chatgpt, but they're not using the real complex.
Speaker CRight, right.
Speaker CUsing it for all of its benefits.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ANumber two, you can use it to buy back time.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker AIf you have, you use Perplexity's computer or you get a Mac Mini, you can use OpenAI to facilitate your day.
Speaker BAnd even if you're not using it
Speaker Ain the work capacity, I'm not advocating that you do, but at some point we all will.
Speaker AYou're going to wind up having this basic personal assistant for your life, send an email to this person.
Speaker AYou can use an agentic AI, either WhatsApp or even iMessage, and literally have somebody you can mess at any point in time, like a personal assistant to schedule things in your calendar to get things done.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AWe all know, hey, I meant to put that in the calendar, babe, but I didn't do it because it requires you going into your calendar, putting up a title, pausing a time, taking, pausing your day.
Speaker AWhereas we all send text messages.
Speaker AImagine sending a text message to your agent.
Speaker AHey, plan a date night with Joanna and see if you can get a reservation at this restaurant.
Speaker AAnd it'll go and do that on its own.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AThat in and of itself will save you time and make you more efficient.
Speaker AAnd the only thing I can give most people back is more time.
Speaker AAnd that is one way to do it.
Speaker AThat's number two.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker ANumber three, you need to understand that your body of knowledge that you can soak in will never be as good as AI's body of knowledge.
Speaker ABut if you understand how to work with AI and use that to be more efficient in the things that you do on a daily basis, you will make more money.
Speaker AYeah, right.
Speaker AAnd a great example of that is, let's say you're going to write an email to somebody and you're upset.
Speaker ARun that email through AI you can keep all the proprietary information out and ask it for feedback.
Speaker AAnd yes, some would argue it's sycophantic to have something that's going to confirm.
Speaker AAsk it for a neutral opinion whether you should write that or not, that those pauses will help you keep emotional volatility and will make you more money over time.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AOh, yeah.
Speaker COkay, I see what you're saying.
Speaker ANumber.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker AAnd that's part of number two.
Speaker ANumber three.
Speaker AIf you learn how to build an agentic model.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AAnd this is not rocket science.
Speaker AAll you need to do is access your terminal if you have a Mac, for example, or you learn how to use perplexity in a way that you can do something.
Speaker AThere's a.
Speaker AThere's a company right now who sells an entire suite of skills for law firms.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AThat you can download to your opening.
Speaker CI'm seeing a lot of this.
Speaker CI'm seeing there's a lot of advertisement for, you know, invest in this.
Speaker CWe'll tell you.
Speaker CWe'll go through all these different AI.
Speaker CI haven't tested any of them.
Speaker CI'm a little skeptical.
Speaker BThat's right.
Speaker AAnd you're going to be skeptical no matter what you read, because you don't know.
Speaker AAnd you've heard about the data breaches and stuff like that.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ASo here's what you do.
Speaker AYou start getting familiar with open with AI and agentic AI and you start selling a course for 1500 bucks where you teach people how to do it from A to Z.
Speaker AThere's a lot of that out there.
Speaker AOr you can take it up a notch for 2,500 bucks.
Speaker AI will set up your installation for you based on what you want.
Speaker CThink of it as a trade school.
Speaker ARight, Exactly.
Speaker AAnd you set it up for.
Speaker BI had a guy hit me up today.
Speaker AHey, Chris, can you help me set it up or do you know anybody can set me up?
Speaker AI'm willing to pay top dollar.
Speaker AI know how valuable this is to me from a time perspective.
Speaker AAnd he wants it for a marketing firm.
Speaker AWow.
Speaker AAnd literally you can go to, you know, Anthropics, Claude, whatever, and you can just type in, hey, give me a manual on how to do this.
Speaker AAnd then tell it what skills you want there and then use that to give it to the guy as a manual for his own product.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BThis is not rocket science stuff.
Speaker BYou have to understand that people just don't trust it.
Speaker AAnd if you have enough intimate knowledge of how it works, you can in fact get better with this.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker CAnd from that point on, it's just a referral game.
Speaker AThat's right, yeah.
Speaker AIf your website is not getting traffic or you're having trouble with execution on conversions of leads on something, if you own your own business, right.
Speaker AYou can have this be your 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
Speaker AThe way the number one way most firms that are customer service oriented lose business is they don't answer the phone call quick enough.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AThey're not responsive enough.
Speaker AOpenAI can be agentic AI, can be your responsiveness by using Perplexity's computer or using an agentic model.
Speaker AIt can literally answer your calls.
Speaker AIt can literally do all of that.
Speaker ARight now there are voice modules, there's the Bubbles skill set which you can download to your agentic AI, which allows it to send imessage messages.
Speaker AImagine someone text message your business.
Speaker ANow you can text message any time of day, day or night, and it'll give you a list of stuff in the morning to do.
Speaker ARight?
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AI mean there are so many ways to utilize this to help benefit most Americans and make more money or free up more time.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AThat it's impossible.
Speaker ABut I'm telling everybody right now, you've got to 100% absolutely adopt this technology now.
Speaker AGet on the cutting edge of it.
Speaker AIt'll make you less afraid.
Speaker CEven if it's not so much you learning all the different platforms.
Speaker CI mean, hopefully by now you've gotten used to and grown your prompting skills.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker CThat in and of itself is a skill that needs to be honed in on.
Speaker AYou know what I saw last night?
Speaker ASomebody said to Perplexity's computer, which is their agentic model that taps into all the 19 models or so they said, make me a Bloomberg terminal.
Speaker AAnd it did.
Speaker CThat's it.
Speaker ABloomberg is about $30,000 a month now.
Speaker AI don't know if it has the same real time data as Bloomberg.
Speaker AI don't know how robust it is, but I saw a demo of it working and it was pretty damn close.
Speaker COh, so you don't.
Speaker COkay.
Speaker CWow.
Speaker AAnd it looked just like a Bloomberg terminal.
Speaker CI mean, I know with time too.
Speaker CWe've talked about it, the vibe coding.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker CIf you give it time and work with it, you can get it to where you need it to get to.
Speaker AI think you're already there.
Speaker AYeah, I think, I think you're already there.
Speaker AI think for.
Speaker AUnless you're doing something truly complex, you can vibe code your.
Speaker AAnd I get why vibe coding is so addictive.
Speaker AYou sit there and you talk about this stuff and I Know a lot of business owners.
Speaker CIt's like a puzzle, right?
Speaker AIt's like a puzzle, but it's.
Speaker AYou should get into it and you see this massive progress in a narrow window of time.
Speaker AAnd then you spend a lot more time on the nuances, getting them dialed in to where you want them to be.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AAnd it's just really, it's addictive because you're seeing these results and you've seen delivery to the markets and I've seen that.
Speaker AI've shared this on my X feed and my threads feed.
Speaker ADelivery to the markets of apps and websites is at an all time high.
Speaker AYou're just seeing the delivery cadence be unbelievable.
Speaker AIt's like inflection point straight up.
Speaker AWow.
Speaker ASo you can do that.
Speaker AI mean, if you want to make a mobile app right now, if you've got a good idea for a mobile app, you can vibe code it right now.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AWith no help, end to end.
Speaker AYou by yourself, with no coding experience and deliver it to the app store in probably 48 hours, maybe maybe three days.
Speaker AMaybe three days.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AAnd start having people use your app.
Speaker AWhat would have taken teams months before?
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AI mean, I'm.
Speaker AAnd that is not overstating it.
Speaker AI've seen it done.
Speaker AI can do it.
Speaker AI was using an app service for our real estate brand.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AAnd I just canceled it.
Speaker AI love those guys.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AI can build that entire app myself.
Speaker CWhy would I pay?
Speaker CRight?
Speaker AAnd here's the problem.
Speaker AUnless you're.
Speaker AIf you're selling a prepackaged white glove app, okay.
Speaker AIf you're not keeping it up to date quickly, then what's your value to me?
Speaker ARight?
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AIt's taking you months and years to roll out like it should be.
Speaker ABoom, boom, boom, improvement, improvement, improvement, improvement.
Speaker ABecause that's the speed of which I can make that today if I see something on somebody's website right now.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker CAnd it should be making improvements on its own too.
Speaker CI mean, I mean, that's another thing, another great thing.
Speaker ASo video editing on AI is getting much, much better.
Speaker AAnd agentic AI will take that up a notch.
Speaker BIt's not quite there yet, but it's
Speaker Avery, very close to where you could say, hey, and use the same MPEG, MPEG format that YouTube uses on its backend to run its platform.
Speaker AIt uses that same thing to cut up and edit videos for you.
Speaker ASo this whole like editor hustle on social media, that'll be gone.
Speaker AAgentic AI will do it all for you.
Speaker AYou just say, hey, look, even our show, it downloads to the drive when it goes to the drive, it tells agentic AI.
Speaker AAgentic AI will look at it, it'll pull transcript right away.
Speaker AI'm not doing this anything.
Speaker CWhy?
Speaker ARight, so if you're in that space, right, and you want to deliver viral content, right.
Speaker AYou can learn how to prompt and build that with agent AI right now.
Speaker AAnd if you're one of those guys who's got like 14 clients and you're spending hours a day manually cutting using an editing software, you just train your AI to do it.
Speaker AAnd then your sole purpose, your only purpose is getting business in the door.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker CAnd I think also, I don't, I don't know how much in the banking industry, but other industries, I'm sure we're probably, I know for some we're already at that point where you're probably going to go to your annual review next year and they're going to ask you how, how have you used AI to make yourself more efficient?
Speaker AYou know what's crazy is they penalized that a year ago.
Speaker CThey penalized it a year ago, but now they expect you to use it to become more efficient.
Speaker CIf you're not doing it enough well, then you're not finding ways to improve.
Speaker AYeah, you're not, you're not growing, you're not growing.
Speaker AYeah, you're not gonna be part of our long term situation if you're not teaching the models how to do your job.
Speaker ASaeed, how am I going to replace you?
Speaker ARight?
Speaker CCan't keep paying you forever.
Speaker AAnother great one.
Speaker AIf, let's say you got a 9 to 5 job, right?
Speaker AAnd you're like, chris, I want to get involved in this, I want to understand, but I want to risk my job to do it.
Speaker AHow do I, how do I solve this problem?
Speaker AWell, I got you, okay?
Speaker AFaceless YouTube channels, right?
Speaker AYouTube is the number one watch platform over all the streaming platforms.
Speaker AYouTube is number one.
Speaker COkay, yeah, but I've heard that YouTube was going to crack down on this and demonetize accounts.
Speaker AI'm sure they will at some point in time.
Speaker ABut for right now, if you're, if you're doing this, it's a great way to learn.
Speaker AYou can make some money on it.
Speaker AIf one video goes viral, you make a couple hundred bucks here and there.
Speaker ABut basically all you do is you have AI look at whatever topic you're interested in on Wikipedia to make a 30, 40 second, maybe one minute long narrative, right?
Speaker AAnd what you do is you run that narrative through 11 Labs, 11 Labs gives you the audio.
Speaker AYou lay that audio on to Images that you have AI create for you.
Speaker AYou piece it all together and you put it on the Internet and It's a faceless YouTube channel that just as shorts and just hooks in for VI content.
Speaker DMan, I've seen a lot of those on like Instagram.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AAnd you're gonna see more.
Speaker AYou're gonna see more.
Speaker BAnd that, that, that's, that's where human
Speaker Ahumanity really comes in.
Speaker AIn as of February rarity.
Speaker CNow, as of February 2026, YouTube is heavily cracking down on faces.
Speaker CAI generated automated channels as part of sign because they know it's a real problem.
Speaker CBecause they know it's.
Speaker AYeah, but how do you crack down on it?
Speaker AIt's the future.
Speaker AAll movies gonna be made this way.
Speaker AWhat are you gonna do?
Speaker AYou're gonna say you can't.
Speaker AWe're not gonna adopt.
Speaker AWe're not adopt.
Speaker AYou're delivering too much.
Speaker CLike it says here, see targeted content channels focusing on mass produced Reddit stories, generic AI voiceovers with stock footage, repetitive ambient loops.
Speaker CThe fireplace.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker CAnd channels that simply reuse the same thumbnails, titles and templates across hundreds of videos are at high risk.
Speaker AI'll tell you right now.
Speaker AWe've got a YouTube channel.
Speaker ANever seen any of that help our algorithm at all.
Speaker AWe don't do any of those things.
Speaker AAnd I don't see any boost.
Speaker CYeah, YouTube, where you least, at least promote the channels that aren't doing it in YouTube.
Speaker ASo YouTube is such a hypocrite too.
Speaker AThey say stuff like this, but they don't mean it.
Speaker ASo number one, our ch.
Speaker AThey want podcasts to join their platform.
Speaker AWe join their platform.
Speaker AYou put an hour long podcast on their platform, somebody watches 20 minutes.
Speaker AThat's good retention for a podcast.
Speaker ANow, our retention is typically higher, but that's good retention.
Speaker CYeah, right.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker ABut they consider that 20 minutes of an hour long podcast to be a 33% retention.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AVersus if somebody watches five minutes of an eight minute clip and they go, oh, that retention's way higher.
Speaker AWe're gonna promote that channel way more than we promote the podcast channel.
Speaker BSo you wanted podcasts come on your platform, you created an avenue for podcasts
Speaker Aon your platform, but then you penalize them.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker AFor having good podcast retention.
Speaker CThat's why.
Speaker ASense.
Speaker CYeah, that's why if you've ever wondered why all these different shows have different channels for their clips.
Speaker CYeah, yeah, that's what, that's why they, that's why they do that.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ASo they can game the retention system.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AAnd it's, it's it's terrible, but that's.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker CAnd they hope there's crossover between the clips channel versus the other channel.
Speaker BAll right, well, look, I came in hot.
Speaker AI gave it to you hot.
Speaker AWhat'd you think?
Speaker AIt was good.
Speaker CNo, I mean.
Speaker CI mean scary.
Speaker CScary good.
Speaker CScary good.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ADid I scare you?
Speaker AWith Jill, you're quiet today.
Speaker CHe's soaking it all in.
Speaker DI wasn't really prepared for this, man.
Speaker DYou just went in straight.
Speaker DStraight to 100.
Speaker AYeah, I. I knew it was gonna be a hot episode.
Speaker ASorry.
Speaker CYeah, no, no, it's good.
Speaker CAnd look, it's realistic and it's what the people need to hear.
Speaker BYeah, it gets the people going.
Speaker BNobody knows what it means.
Speaker CNobody understands.
Speaker DThe Sam Altman video was really good.
Speaker DI started Googling, like, who owns Helion and all that stuff.
Speaker DYeah, dude's worth, like, almost $2 billion and owns, like, almost a billion off of Reddit.
Speaker AThat's right.
Speaker DLike, it's.
Speaker CIt's.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AAnd that guy's death was also questionable, too.
Speaker DOh, it's if you're suicided, something.
Speaker ASuicided?
Speaker CYeah, if you were suicided online.
Speaker CYeah, man.
Speaker CIt's like all the whistleblowers can't.
Speaker CI don't even want to touch this, bro.
Speaker CI'm trying to stay alive.
Speaker AYeah.
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Speaker CAnything?
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