Joshy

Oh, hello there.

Joshy

This is the TTP field manual.

Joshy

TTP is trust the process.

Joshy

I'm Joshy.

Joshy

We have Johnny.

Joshy

This is our Advent calendar, our countdown to 2025.

Joshy

Every episode's a different character, a character that you can play on the tabletop brief.

Joshy

Lorebytes.

Joshy

Hello, Johnny.

Joshy

How are you?

Johnny

Hi.

Johnny

Welcome back.

Joshy

Hi.

Joshy

Thanks, dude.

Joshy

Hey, what do you know about Cypher?

Johnny

He's that chaos guy, right?

Joshy

Well, is he?

Johnny

Hey, he's in the book.

Joshy

He is in the book.

Joshy

He's a renegade, but I wouldn't call him chaos.

Johnny

I don't know much.

Johnny

So please enlighten me on what this lone operative does in the greater world.

Joshy

I have a quote for you.

Joshy

We love quotes, don't we?

Johnny

Quotes are great.

Joshy

He weaves in and out of my vision.

Joshy

I see one who is many.

Joshy

I see they who will test the unforgiven.

Joshy

In one hand, he carries hope, in the other, despair.

Joshy

I speak of Cypher.

Joshy

He is coming closer all the time.

Joshy

That is from Luther, the dark oracle.

Johnny

That is terrifying.

Joshy

Cypher is an extremely enigmatic individual, but I feel like I need to give a little bit of background context to how Cipher even came to be.

Johnny

Oh, please.

Joshy

So being a Dark angel, as most know, comes with a lot of paranoia, mistrust, miscommunication, misunderstanding, misdirection, secret missions, secret orders.

Joshy

And all of these things will come back to bite you one way or another.

Joshy

Right?

Johnny

It's a lot of secrets.

Joshy

So the Dark Angels.

Joshy

Oh, yes.

Joshy

So the Dark Angels were always a knightly order, like a medieval world, before they were brought in to the Imperium, before they were space marines.

Joshy

Right.

Joshy

But during the great Crusade, a large portion of the Dark Angels, who are, you know, raised up from these knightly medieval brotherhoods into Astartes, they started to really become quite unhappy with their assimilation into the Imperium.

Joshy

You know, they're losing the old ways, they're losing their world as it rapidly became industrial.

Joshy

And even though they were being brought into this imperial truth, as it was called, a lot of them still held onto the very secretive traditions of their order.

Joshy

And even in the great Crusade, they were worried that one day they would be suspected of being heretics.

Joshy

And this really, you know, came to a bit of a boiling point because around about this time, Luther, the lion's right hand man, the person who effectively raised the lion, primarch of the Dark angels before big EMPs came along, like Luthor, really wasn't happy with the direction things were going.

Joshy

And around one of the times when the Dark Angels brought a World into compliance.

Joshy

The human empire they're up against really were tricky lot.

Joshy

And they managed to plant a nuclear bomb on the Lion's flagship.

Joshy

And when Luthor discovered this, he was hesitant to turn it off.

Joshy

Oh, and the lion, he's got this real keen sense around him.

Joshy

It's really hard to surprise him.

Joshy

It's really hard to go behind his back.

Joshy

He's kind of got this spider sense, you know.

Johnny

I'm glad you said it.

Joshy

And, yeah.

Joshy

And the lion essentially diplomatically banished Luther and his most trusted circle of guys back to their homeworld, Caliban, under recruitment and garrison responsibilities, and just left them there for, like, decades.

Joshy

He's like, I can't really trust you, but you're still my boys.

Joshy

Now, when you leave all of these people on the homeworld to go and do your thing, all these insecurities, secretive traditions, they're going to keep going, right?

Johnny

Oh, yeah.

Joshy

And so being kept there, a lot of the Dark Angels were starting to feel.

Joshy

Feel like they were already perceived as traitors or were just left behind, or they were just, you know, generally unhappy about the situation and tried to push, like, their agendas.

Joshy

Now, eventually, the lion would come back to Caliban, except his fleet would be fired upon by the homeworld.

Johnny

Uh, that's not good.

Joshy

Because they were so worried that after all this time, the lion was coming back to get rid of them.

Joshy

So instead of being, you know, extinguished, they decided to fight back ahead of time.

Joshy

And so the rebellion of what would be called the Fallen Angels was very clear to the Lion.

Joshy

And he orbital bombarded his homeworld so fiercely, it cracked apart.

Joshy

And then in the ensuing fight, the lion, who went down to the surface, fought with Luthor.

Joshy

Luther at that point was really juiced up with warp energies because Caliban was actually a warp infested planet to begin with.

Johnny

Oh, they were screwed from the start.

Joshy

That's why they were fearing suspicions of heresy.

Joshy

And Luther was so just jazzed up, he actually brought the lion down.

Joshy

And when he did that, all of a sudden, his warp trance evaporated and he was like, uh, oh, what have I done?

Joshy

You know, my son, I've.

Joshy

I've.

Joshy

You know, I might have killed my son.

Johnny

Man, this Luthor guy's a chad.

Joshy

But then what happened was, because of all this chaotic interference and the planet cracking apart, a warp storm engulfed the planet, specifically picked up the fallen angels and just scattered them through space and time.

Joshy

There are some fallen which have popped up in, like, millennia.

Joshy

38, like days after this war.

Joshy

There have been Dark Angels that were sent back in time.

Joshy

You know, it's just very enigmatic.

Joshy

Like the Dark Angels, the Fallen.

Joshy

Because the Fallen actually come in many flavors.

Joshy

Most commit to chaos powers of course, because it's like a bit of a savior vibe.

Joshy

Like they don't want to die, so they turn to chaos.

Johnny

Yep.

Joshy

Or they become renegade war bands and warlords most often.

Joshy

But some, you know, really remain loyal to the lion or they sought to redeem themselves.

Joshy

So they go up like Hero's Journey, you know.

Joshy

But regardless of where they stand, the Dark Angels and their successors, who they call themselves the Unforgiven because of what happened.

Joshy

Despite the Dark Angels of modern day being loyal, they feel like they need to make up for what happened like 10,000 years ago.

Joshy

And so they hunt the Fallen.

Joshy

Right.

Joshy

Without remorse.

Joshy

It even costs them some conflicts and some loyalty with other Imperials because they're like oh, there's a Fallen over there.

Joshy

And they just go get them.

Joshy

They go after them.

Joshy

They just abandoned the battlefield and just go get them.

Johnny

Jeez.

Johnny

These guys are very chaotic.

Joshy

Yeah.

Joshy

But there is one Fallen angel more notorious than others.

Joshy

And that is our boy of today, Cypher.

Joshy

Now who is Cypher?

Johnny

I don't know.

Johnny

We don't know.

Joshy

We don't know who Cypher is.

Joshy

And that's kind of on.

Joshy

On purpose.

Joshy

So Cipher as an individual is the definition of a rogue agent.

Joshy

His motives and even loyalties are just straight up unknown because he's been seen to help both good guys, bad guys and in between.

Joshy

But the title of Cipher actually existed in the very early days of the Dark Angels Legion.

Joshy

Cipher would be a single member of the ancient orders elected to forsake their identity.

Joshy

See where we're going with this?

Joshy

And basically become a representation of their ancient codes and laws and tenants in overall ways.

Joshy

Right.

Johnny

So Cypher is Cypher.

Johnny

Cypher is a title.

Joshy

Cypher is a title.

Johnny

He's a 007.

Joshy

He's a double.

Joshy

Oh seven.

Joshy

There is one possibility of who Cipher might be however.

Johnny

Okay.

Joshy

But it's not guaranteed.

Joshy

There was a Fallen angel known as Zahariel.

Joshy

And like the other Fallen, Zahariel believed the Imperium would not accept the warp tainted Caliban should its secrets be revealed.

Joshy

And became a key agent of the would be Fallen.

Joshy

The uniting rebel elements of the homeworld before they would fire upon the lion.

Joshy

Right.

Joshy

Zaharia was one of four individuals who.

Joshy

Who would actually activate the orbital bombardment batteries.

Joshy

But Zahariel was always a very powerful psyker who was actually known to the Emperor before becoming an actual Astartes.

Joshy

Because when the Emperor came to Caliban, the Knights of the world didn't trust him.

Joshy

They didn't trust what he would do and bring about.

Johnny

I mean, that's fair.

Joshy

And the inner circle of the Dark Angels actually plotted an assassination of the Emperor.

Joshy

But Zahariel saved him, saved the Emperor, and then would actually become an Astartes after the Emperor wiped his mind off the whole plot.

Joshy

So Zahariel actually lost awareness of the paranoia and mistrust of the Dark Angels from Daedot.

Johnny

Hold on.

Johnny

So he.

Johnny

But Cypher's not a Psyker, is he?

Joshy

That's where it all gets a bit messy.

Joshy

But to understand what Cypher could be, we have to.

Joshy

You know, I really feel like we have to have a brief examination of Zahariel.

Johnny

Yeah.

Joshy

Now, Zahariel also actually saved the lion as well, because that human empire that planted the nuclear bomb, they were allied with Warp entities.

Joshy

And Zahario and his little cabal of Librarians defeated a Warp entity and actually saved the Lion.

Joshy

But he was also with Luthor in hesitantly disarming the nuclear bomb.

Joshy

He almost didn't do it because he also was not a fan of the direction of the chapter or the Legion.

Joshy

And so Zahariel, like Luthor, would be banished to Caliban despite his heroics and his prestige.

Johnny

Okay.

Johnny

Yep.

Joshy

He would actually be radicalized even further into the Fallen agenda after himself, defeating a cabal of Chaos sorcerers that had made their way to Caliban to further corrupt the Fallen.

Joshy

It's all very like Shadow War, Cold War vibes in defending the Chaos.

Joshy

Sorry.

Joshy

In defending Caliban from the Chaos sorcerers, he would actually be left for dead by the at the time Lord Cipher.

Joshy

Because the at the time Lord Cipher, who had, you know, if we go back, was always an actual titled member of the orders of Caliban.

Johnny

Yep.

Joshy

But at that time, that Lord Cipher wanted to puppet Luther.

Joshy

Right.

Johnny

Everyone's got an agenda.

Joshy

And he.

Joshy

He didn't want Zaharia to mess it all up.

Joshy

But when Zahariel would eventually free himself from his trap, he would kill the at the time Lord Cipher.

Joshy

And it would be Luthor who raised Zahariel to the title of Cipher around about this same time.

Joshy

Caliban's Warp essence, in a way, was giving Zahariel these strange visions which showed Zahariel what Caliban itself wanted Cipher to be, which was essentially the actual mythological green knight, A defender of the forest, a defender of the balance of nature.

Joshy

It's all pretty intense.

Joshy

It's a bit hard to make sense of if I'm being real, but that's essentially what happened on Caliban.

Joshy

Now Luther would actually feel pretty bad about everything that's going on and sent various Dark Angels that would later be referred to as the Fallen, to actually reinforce the Siege of Terra.

Joshy

Like on the good guys side.

Johnny

Oh, they showed up during the siege.

Joshy

Zahariel, not Luther.

Joshy

But Zahariel showed up during the siege and he would fight at the Siege of Terra alongside the very legendary Dark angel warrior, Corswain.

Joshy

And Corswain was like the first Captain Vibe of the Dark Angels.

Joshy

Same with Kaan of the World Eaters.

Johnny

Yeah, yeah.

Joshy

Raldoran of the Blood Angels.

Joshy

He was that kind of figure.

Joshy

And Corswain was leading the Dark Angels at the Siege of Terra.

Joshy

Zahariel worked with him.

Joshy

It was Zahariel's mission to actually reactivate the Astronomicon so that Guilliman and the Ultramarines could actually find Terra as it was being smothered by the warp storms, so that they could come and reinforce Terra.

Johnny

Yep, that makes sense.

Joshy

And Zahariel would have to fight the Death Guard.

Joshy

He'd have to fight Typhus.

Joshy

He was fighting to save the Imperium.

Joshy

And during the battle, he finally decided to don the hood, the ceremonial hood and robe of Lord Cipher, and was never observed as Zahariel ever again.

Joshy

There was no further record of Zahariel since the Siege of Terra.

Johnny

So at some point he became Cipher.

Johnny

But that doesn't necessarily make him the Cipher we have now.

Joshy

Exactly.

Joshy

Okay, he killed the previous Cipher, Luthor made him Cipher, and then during the Siege of Terror, he accepted the role of Cipher and then was never seen again.

Johnny

Well, as him, as him.

Joshy

And since the Heresy, none have been actually sure of the identity of Seifer, who has actually appeared in every segmentum across the galaxy.

Joshy

Dude, he has fought and allied with Imperium and Chaos forces alike.

Joshy

He will avenge a Dark angel grandmaster so that the Dark Angels could recover his relics, only to then, you know, be hunted by the Dark Angels because he's a Fallen.

Joshy

And then the Dark angel grandmaster that replaced the guy he avenged, he would attempt to slay for daring to hunt him down, you know.

Johnny

Oh, man, Dark Angels just, you know, they all just need to calm down a little bit.

Joshy

Yeah.

Joshy

Cipher has defended like space Marine chapters against like a plague spreading chaos warband, only to himself spread the next one on purpose.

Joshy

He has led Imperial Guard regiments to victory against Chaos forces, but he has also Assassinated and replaced an Inquisitor assimilated his whole network of contacts and then caused the downfall of an entire hive world.

Johnny

But why?

Joshy

No one knows.

Joshy

Now, whether these are the actions of multiple entities or one, none are sure.

Joshy

But all witnesses claim the sight of a robed power armoured individual wielding two pistols with extreme accuracy and strapping a large sheathed sword at their back.

Joshy

And it is never wielded.

Johnny

That's the guy I remember seeing in the Codex.

Joshy

How are you going so far with Cipher?

Johnny

It's giving me Assassin's Creed vibes.

Joshy

Yeah.

Joshy

Kinda like a Green Knight Assassin, but.

Johnny

I'm still missing the why.

Joshy

The why is the key question.

Joshy

Because no one really knows.

Joshy

Now it is all of these sightings.

Joshy

And much like your boy Fabius bile, he's done a lot in the 10,000 ish years since the great crusade.

Johnny

Yep.

Joshy

But every time there is confirmed sightings, even if it's a lowly guardsman who said he thought he saw him like six months ago, the various chapters of the Unforgiven, which is all the Dark angels and their successors, they will just drop all of their activities and begin pursuit.

Joshy

Even when that results in losses or ridicule.

Joshy

You know, regardless of Cypher's intentions, which some believe he wishes to actually reach the Emperor himself.

Joshy

Either to seek forgiveness for the fallen by offering what some believe is the Sword of the lion or upon his back, or use the sword and free the Emperor of his suffering.

Joshy

None are exactly sure which way he's gonna go, but all are pretty understanding that it's the Emperor he's trying to get towards for one reason or another.

Johnny

But killing the Emperor would be such a bad thing.

Joshy

Yeah.

Johnny

For everyone else.

Joshy

Which is what really leans into the Izzy, Good or bad, no one really knows.

Joshy

But I find that particularly interesting because if it is Zahariel, the Emperor knows him.

Johnny

Yeah.

Joshy

And Zahariel knows the Emperor, which leans.

Johnny

More into the maybe wanting to put him out of his misery.

Johnny

But putting him out of his misery means chaos wins.

Joshy

Yeah.

Joshy

There are various individuals who really do think the Emperor needs to just like hang up the phone and just let whatever happens happens.

Joshy

Some think that when the Emperor kicks it, his body will go away and his soul will reform as like Chaos God number five and therefore be like an imperial deity.

Joshy

Like some people do believe that.

Johnny

Yeah.

Joshy

But the Dark angels will not let him achieve his mysterious agenda, whatever it is.

Johnny

Yeah.

Johnny

Because he hasn't told him what it is.

Joshy

They don't let him.

Joshy

Every time he shows up they're like, go get Him.

Johnny

Someone just needs to have a conversation with the poor bloke.

Johnny

Be like, so what's the end game here?

Joshy

Well, funnily enough, there actually has been a recent part of history where he made his way back to the rock, which is the biggest surviving chunk of Caliban.

Johnny

Yeah.

Joshy

And effectively strong armed several of the named Dark Angels, Ezekiel, Belial, etc.

Joshy

To activate one of those various like Caliban Old world technology devices.

Joshy

Right.

Joshy

Because Typhus wanted it.

Joshy

Of course he did.

Joshy

And he basically.

Joshy

What he did in basically getting the Dark Angels to activate this piece of technology was he sabotaged it.

Joshy

And it actually recreated the warp storm that scattered the Fallen in the first place.

Joshy

Like a causal loop.

Joshy

It was an exact replica of the warp storm that happened in like 30,000, but in 40,000.

Johnny

And what did this accomplish?

Joshy

People aren't quite sure, but there's.

Joshy

There's a lot of like wondering if the Fallen scattering warp storm at the end of the Heresy was actually the Warp storm Cipher caused in like 40,000 going back through time.

Johnny

Oh, no.

Joshy

To actually create this sort of network of Fallen Angels, which I neglected to mention was like 20 or 30,000 individuals that have been scattered across space and time.

Johnny

But that.

Johnny

I feel like I'm going to ask this a lot, but when they're looking at this, why, what does he accomplish by creating that warm storm and sending Fallen all over?

Joshy

Here's the thing.

Joshy

It seems that only he knows why he's doing it.

Johnny

Seems like he doesn't even know why he's doing it.

Joshy

Perhaps not.

Johnny

He seems like an agent of pure chaos.

Joshy

He definitely seems like an agent of pure chaos.

Joshy

Everything seems to have this Alpha Legion esque amount of layers to it.

Joshy

It's kind of insane.

Joshy

But I can give you his most recent big appearance in the main storyline, if you will.

Johnny

Oh yeah.

Johnny

What has he done recently to piss everyone off?

Joshy

He actually.

Joshy

This is one of his more noble actions.

Johnny

So he's on the Imperium side.

Joshy

So do you know what the Terran Crusade was like?

Johnny

The original one?

Joshy

No.

Joshy

The recent one?

Johnny

No.

Joshy

The Terran Crusade was when Bobby G.

Joshy

Rowboat Girlyman.

Johnny

Yeah.

Joshy

Roboute Guilliman was resurrected by a combined effort of Ynnari characters.

Joshy

Belisarius Cawl, Saint Celestine, Black Templar, dudes on Ultramar.

Johnny

Yep.

Joshy

This coincided with the opening of the Great Rift.

Joshy

Because Cadia fell.

Johnny

Yep.

Joshy

So Guilliman, to figure out what the heck's gone on with the galaxy since he's been sleeping, had the Terran Crusade, he and all those various people that resurrected him.

Joshy

And like, Ultramarine dudes, whatever, they all basically partied up and tried to make it way make their way back to Terra to get an understanding of the situation.

Joshy

Because the Great Rift just opened.

Joshy

Guilliman's been unconscious for 10,000 years.

Joshy

What's going on?

Johnny

Right, yeah, yeah.

Joshy

But because of all this big Chaos power bump.

Joshy

So many agents of Chaos were after Guilliman, Kairos, Fateweaver, Big Tzeentian Demon Prince.

Johnny

Yeah.

Johnny

Two headed bird.

Joshy

Two headed Birdman essentially led Guilliman and his fellows into a big old trap and basically forced Guilliman to surrender himself so that his forces would live.

Joshy

And Kairos Fateweaver imprisoned Guilliman inside a Blackstone fortress.

Johnny

Nice.

Joshy

Guess who saved Guilliman from an almost eternity of rotting away inside this fortress?

Johnny

I don't know who saved him.

Johnny

All I know is he goes by the name Cypher.

Joshy

Cypher and several fallen angels.

Joshy

But Cypher was not alone.

Joshy

He had a new ally.

Joshy

You might know this person.

Joshy

A Harley Quinn by the name of Salandri Veilwalker.

Johnny

Oh, I'm so overhearing the name.

Johnny

Vale Walker.

Johnny

I need to know what this story is.

Johnny

Suddenly, Fabius and Cipher are connected.

Joshy

Solandri, Vale Walker and her Harlequins with Cipher and several of his fallen buddies rescued Gilliman from the fortress and helped him along to Terra.

Joshy

Because Salandri decided to mention that there's always been a webway portal on Luna.

Joshy

As in the Moon of Terra.

Johnny

Yep.

Joshy

And so Cipher, Vale Walker, Guilliman and his cohort went through the webway to go to Terra.

Joshy

Now, Cipher had one demand of Guilliman before letting him out.

Joshy

What do you think it was?

Johnny

Let me see.

Johnny

The Emperor.

Joshy

Correct.

Johnny

And he got declined.

Joshy

Well, Guilliman said sure.

Joshy

But then when they got there, well, Guilliman was in no real choice to.

Johnny

Say, nah, sorry, Rowboat Girly man said yes.

Johnny

So this dude almost accomplished what he was going to accomplish.

Joshy

Sure did.

Joshy

So Guilliman, Vale, Walker, Cipher, bunch of others went through the webway, except they were once again ambushed by Chaos.

Joshy

But it was Magnus and his Thousand Sons.

Joshy

And they had an inevitable battle on Luna.

Joshy

You had Guilliman, the Imperial Fists, who defend the Sol system.

Joshy

That's their job.

Joshy

The Sisters of Silence, who are actually based on Luna.

Joshy

All these folks, the Harley Quinns, Saint Celestine, everybody was fighting Magnus and the Thousand Sons.

Joshy

And they won, obviously, because Magnus can't win.

Johnny

Poor Magnus.

Joshy

Salandri decided to accept Gilliman's conditions of close that fricking portal.

Joshy

We can't have people just arriving next to Terra like that.

Joshy

And so she's like, okay, bye.

Joshy

And then took her Harley Quinns and went through the portal, and, like, they closed it forever.

Johnny

But did they break it?

Joshy

Yeah, maybe Harlequins.

Joshy

So within hours of joining up on Terra, Cipher was imprisoned.

Joshy

He's like, all right, where's my meeting?

Joshy

And Guilliman's like, look, thanks, but I don't, like, fully trust you.

Joshy

I haven't even spoken with dad yet, you know?

Joshy

And so the Adeptus Custodians imprison Cipher and his fallen boys in the dark cells, which are their pitch black jail below the palace.

Joshy

Within hours, Cypher broke free, but probably not for the reason you would expect.

Joshy

How do you think he was freed?

Johnny

Before we get down to how we thought he was freed, yeah.

Johnny

How much does Rowboat Girlyman know of the Fallen?

Johnny

Aren't they on, like, the opposite side of the galaxy?

Joshy

Look, I think Guilliman saw old Dark Angels and that they weren't exactly like a cohesive force and were like, hmm.

Johnny

They don't fight like Dark Angels should fight.

Joshy

Yeah, they're, like, all, like, in their old baroque armor.

Joshy

They got, like, scrap together bits of armor and weaponry.

Joshy

They're allied with Harley Quinn's.

Joshy

You know, they're just ducking in and out of Blackstone fortresses.

Johnny

If anyone should be okay with them being teamed up with the Harlequins is the dude that was rezzed by Aeldari.

Joshy

Yeah, I think Guilliman was just very protective of dad.

Johnny

Yeah, either that or someone's whispering in girly man's ear.

Joshy

Yeah, but at this point, you know, Guilliman hadn't even spoken with dad, I'm fairly sure, and was just like, look, you know, we can talk about it later, but for right now, I need you to just, like, stay put and not do anything.

Johnny

Just get into a jail cell.

Joshy

But then the Custodians would be aware of the Fallen, so.

Joshy

But how do you think Cipher was.

Joshy

Was freed from the dark cells?

Joshy

Notoriously hard prison to get out of, by the way.

Johnny

I swear, if you told me, Veilwalker.

Joshy

Was there something more humorous than that?

Joshy

The Dark Angels.

Johnny

What?

Joshy

The Dark Angels got word Cipher was on Terror.

Johnny

They're like, we gotta kill our brother.

Joshy

They snuck into the dark cells and damaged the plasma generators powering the gates.

Johnny

Of the cell so they could get in.

Joshy

I don't know if you knew this, Jonny, but when the Great Rift opened up, Khorne himself was like, yeah, bet.

Joshy

And sent, like, an insane amount of Chaos Demons to Terra.

Joshy

And so the actual palace was a bit weakened, the infrastructure a bit shaken, and then the Dark Angels just like broke open the cells to get to.

Johnny

This boy to kill him.

Joshy

Yeah, and Cypher and his brethren really good at getting out of problems.

Joshy

And.

Joshy

And that's exactly what happened.

Joshy

They got out and fled.

Johnny

Terra, man, if you're the Dark Angels, you're like, oops.

Joshy

Well, it actually got way worse for the Dark Angels.

Joshy

Not because they were censured by the Custodians, but because in their pursuit of Cypher and his boys, the various librarians of various Unforgiven chapters all had this similar psychic vision that Cipher would be at the planet of Darkmoor.

Joshy

And so roughly a thousand Marines, which is a decent amount in this setting.

Joshy

Yeah, went to Darkmoore to ambush Cipher and the Fallen.

Joshy

Except when they arrived, Darkmoor was no longer an Imperial world, but a graveyard crawling in renegade Marines and demons.

Joshy

And Darkmoore was actually a trap set by Fallen to basically get the Dark Angels to stop fricken chasing them for a while.

Johnny

What, by killing them?

Joshy

Yeah, so.

Johnny

So the Dark Angels worst enemy is themselves.

Joshy

Essentially.

Joshy

They went gung ho after the Fallen got led to the planet Darkmoor, which was a trap.

Joshy

What was once an Imperial world was now like a dead world covered with demons and renegade Marines ready to just kill him.

Joshy

Of about a thousand Dark angel and their cousins, about a hundred survived only because they were so relentless in pursuing Cipher across the battlefield.

Joshy

In his own escape of Darkmoore, he went through a teleportarium and they also like went with him.

Joshy

So there's this weird thing of like, he was kinda responsible for leading them to a trap, but he also saved a few of them.

Johnny

Yeah, but that doesn't seem like he saved them.

Johnny

It feels more like they're Blood Angels who saw Horus.

Joshy

Yeah, but it wasn't so much Cipher's plan as it was the Fallen's plan.

Johnny

But he is a Fallen.

Joshy

Yes, that's the hard part.

Joshy

Cipher has also since been pursued by his Custodian jailers, because they weren't none pleased that he got away.

Joshy

And this is the last we know of Cipher.

Joshy

He was pursued by his Custodian jailers.

Joshy

He crossed the Great Rift into the Imperium Nihilus, the northern part.

Joshy

And the Custodians had no real choice but to follow him across the Great Rift.

Joshy

The Great Rift had damaged their senses just enough that they weren't able to tell that their senses weren't picking up a black painted small void craft that's kind of like trailing them.

Joshy

Like a barnacle to a ship.

Joshy

Who is more than likely Cipher himself, sneakily following the custodians as they sheepishly try and follow him.

Johnny

Are you sure Seifer is a dark angel?

Joshy

No, no one's sure about Seifer at all.

Johnny

Because he's.

Johnny

He's giving me Alpharius vibes.

Joshy

He might be Alpharius.

Joshy

That's how much we don't know.

Johnny

That would be a hell of a twist to throw into their lore.

Joshy

I could see it.

Joshy

I can very well see it.

Joshy

But that's about as much as I got for Cipher, lore and bio for you today.

Johnny

I will say, after hearing all this, I had no clue what Cipher was about.

Johnny

And that hasn't changed.

Joshy

That hasn't changed.

Johnny

I was always curious why he had a sword but used two pistols in melee.

Johnny

And that hasn't changed.

Joshy

It's maybe the Lion's sword.

Johnny

But hasn't the lion got a sword?

Joshy

Well, he's got a new sword.

Johnny

So why doesn't he just give lion back his sword?

Joshy

I don't think he's met him yet.

Johnny

I don't think he's tried hard enough.

Joshy

In the lore, lion just got back.

Joshy

He probably doesn't know the in the lore timeline.

Joshy

The lion coming back is after the last known appearance.

Joshy

It might happen, just not yet.

Joshy

We're up to date.

Joshy

If there is something that the lion is doing, though, it's redeeming the Fallen.

Joshy

His book, The Lion's book was him waking up from his weird, you know, green night coma.

Joshy

He's going from world to world as an individual by coincidence, meeting up with various fallen angels that aren't exactly bad boys.

Joshy

And he's like, I forgive you.

Joshy

And then he gets his little posse of redeemed angels who are definitely not the inner circle champions.

Johnny

That sounds like it could be both a good thing and a bad thing.

Johnny

Redeeming fallen and being like, sorry, guys, I understand why you did what you did.

Johnny

My bad.

Joshy

Well, there are some that he just straight up didn't redeem.

Johnny

But what if they're just.

Johnny

I guess he's got that spidey sense, right?

Johnny

I was going to say, what stops them from lying to him?

Joshy

Great.

Joshy

Crusade Lion, Petulant man child, much like all of his brothers.

Johnny

I was going to say, like all the Primarchs.

Joshy

42Nd Millennium Lion, Old wise man.

Joshy

That's like, I just want peace.

Joshy

He hates Gilliman notoriously, but almost wept when he realized that he has a brother still alive.

Joshy

Like, dudes, dudes had a little Bit of a change of heart of his ways.

Johnny

He has a couple of brothers alive.

Johnny

They just don't look the same.

Joshy

He woke up and had to 1v1 Angron.

Joshy

I'm sure he's pleased about Guilliman existing.

Johnny

They just haven't met yet.

Joshy

No, he's been hanging out with Dante instead.

Johnny

But Dante hasn't told Guilliman that the lion is back yet either.

Johnny

So here these two brothers are like.

Joshy

I'm the only brother in the Arcs of Omen, the lion was, like, picked up by Dante, and he's like, why the heck are you wearing a Sanguinius mask?

Joshy

Like, that's disrespectful.

Johnny

And.

Joshy

And Dante had to be like, actually, no, it is respectful.

Joshy

This is our ways now.

Joshy

Like, it's like 10,000 years later.

Joshy

And Lyon's like, oh, okay.

Joshy

And then, like, after a couple of battles, Dante's like, oh, yeah, we just got word from Lord Guilliman, blah, blah, blah.

Joshy

And Lion's like, huh, Guilliman's alive.

Joshy

I'm not the only one.

Joshy

And that was kind of like the end of that.

Joshy

That was it.

Joshy

That's like, Dark Angel's caught up now.

Johnny

You know, the more I hear about the Dark Angels, the less I like them.

Joshy

I don't like them much myself, but I like Cypher for being an absolute mad lad.

Johnny

I used to think the models looked cool, and I was like, oh, yeah, I kind of get it.

Joshy

They do look cool.

Johnny

And now the law just makes them seem like the worst people in the Imperium just because they're so dumb.

Joshy

You have some characters like Azrael, Lazarus, they're not bad.

Joshy

But then you have absolute unhinged retards like Asmodai, but they're just.

Johnny

They're just doing stupid shit.

Joshy

Yep.

Joshy

Azmodai basically got told by the lion, shut the heck up.

Joshy

You're being crazy.

Joshy

And Azmodai was like, is the Lion a traitor?

Johnny

Oh, my God.

Johnny

Well, I think that's a really good place to leave it.

Joshy

His data sheet first.

Johnny

Oh, we still have a data sheet.

Johnny

Go ahead.

Joshy

Yeah, real quick, though.

Johnny

He's.

Johnny

He's a chad in game.

Joshy

He's got his second sculpt ever in the 2017 Gathering Storm campaign, which was Guilliman coming back.

Joshy

He got a model.

Joshy

It's not bad.

Joshy

It's relatively detailed.

Joshy

Showcases a lot of the Horus Heresy era Dark angel design.

Joshy

He is a modest 90 points.

Joshy

He's more of a lone operative action monkey.

Joshy

He's not too different in stat line to other Marine characters.

Joshy

Humorously, his weapons are as effective in melee as they are at range with a sustained hits assault base profile.

Joshy

So he runs around quite a lot.

Joshy

He hits on 2s and has a relatively decent chance of taking down a few marines or similarly tough infantry.

Joshy

He uses his signature bolt and plasma pistols in melee.

Joshy

Not the sword at his back or the.

Joshy

Wait for this.

Joshy

This is going to be a sentence to just throw you for a loop.

Joshy

The C'tan phase blade he has supposedly used in the lore lost to time after he fought the Nightbringer with it during the 13th Black Crusade.

Johnny

Whoa.

Joshy

Cipher fought a Necron C'tan shard with a Necron blade and then lost the blade.

Joshy

That's just another thing he's done.

Johnny

Who the hell is this bloke?

Joshy

Alpharius?

Johnny

Maybe it's Omegon.

Joshy

Maybe.

Joshy

Now, he does have a couple of abilities.

Joshy

It allows him to increase the cost of stratagems used near him.

Joshy

So let's say you want to command, reroll or save if you're within 12 inches, it now costs 2, etc.

Joshy

And he also has the Necron Hex Mark Destroyer vibe of if he's next to a friend and you shoot his friend, he'll just shoot you.

Johnny

Yeah, he's.

Johnny

He's a cool dude in game.

Joshy

Notably, he does not lead the unit known as the Fallen.

Johnny

That would be because the Fallen aren't in the Codex.

Joshy

All my other characters won't be this in depth, I imagine.

Joshy

What do you think of Cypher?

Johnny

I.

Johnny

I don't know if I like him.

Joshy

Yeah.

Johnny

I just don't know enough about him to trust him.

Joshy

He's too much of a question mark.

Johnny

Yeah.

Johnny

I need to know a little bit more about his motives.

Joshy

If he has them.

Johnny

See, if he didn't have motives, I could accept that.

Johnny

Everything points to there's a reason.

Johnny

Like, you're doing this weird stuff.

Johnny

There has to be an end goal.

Joshy

Yeah, the Emperor.

Johnny

But why?

Johnny

Again, questions.

Johnny

I do like the enigmatic characters.

Joshy

It's like Solandri Veilwalker.

Johnny

Man, you should have picked her for one of the advents next year.

Johnny

Oh, man, that's a lot of messy stuff.

Johnny

Harlequins are weird.

Joshy

Next year's Advent calendar.

Joshy

I'm picking Veilwalker.

Joshy

Done.

Johnny

All right.

Joshy

All right.

Joshy

Brilliant.

Joshy

That is another of our character vignettes for our countdown.

Joshy

The 2025 advent calendar.

Joshy

This was Cypher.

Joshy

Who?

Joshy

Is he a Dark angel or is he an Alpha Legion?

Joshy

I don't know.

Joshy

I am Joshy.

Johnny

And I'm Johnny.

Joshy

Bye.