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JoshyThis is the TTP field manual.
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JoshyHello, Johnny.
JoshyHow are you?
JohnnyHi.
JohnnyWelcome back.
JoshyHi.
JoshyThanks, dude.
JoshyHey, what do you know about Cypher?
JohnnyHe's that chaos guy, right?
JoshyWell, is he?
JohnnyHey, he's in the book.
JoshyHe is in the book.
JoshyHe's a renegade, but I wouldn't call him chaos.
JohnnyI don't know much.
JohnnySo please enlighten me on what this lone operative does in the greater world.
JoshyI have a quote for you.
JoshyWe love quotes, don't we?
JohnnyQuotes are great.
JoshyHe weaves in and out of my vision.
JoshyI see one who is many.
JoshyI see they who will test the unforgiven.
JoshyIn one hand, he carries hope, in the other, despair.
JoshyI speak of Cypher.
JoshyHe is coming closer all the time.
JoshyThat is from Luther, the dark oracle.
JohnnyThat is terrifying.
JoshyCypher is an extremely enigmatic individual, but I feel like I need to give a little bit of background context to how Cipher even came to be.
JohnnyOh, please.
JoshySo being a Dark angel, as most know, comes with a lot of paranoia, mistrust, miscommunication, misunderstanding, misdirection, secret missions, secret orders.
JoshyAnd all of these things will come back to bite you one way or another.
JoshyRight?
JohnnyIt's a lot of secrets.
JoshySo the Dark Angels.
JoshyOh, yes.
JoshySo the Dark Angels were always a knightly order, like a medieval world, before they were brought in to the Imperium, before they were space marines.
JoshyRight.
JoshyBut during the great Crusade, a large portion of the Dark Angels, who are, you know, raised up from these knightly medieval brotherhoods into Astartes, they started to really become quite unhappy with their assimilation into the Imperium.
JoshyYou know, they're losing the old ways, they're losing their world as it rapidly became industrial.
JoshyAnd even though they were being brought into this imperial truth, as it was called, a lot of them still held onto the very secretive traditions of their order.
JoshyAnd even in the great Crusade, they were worried that one day they would be suspected of being heretics.
JoshyAnd this really, you know, came to a bit of a boiling point because around about this time, Luther, the lion's right hand man, the person who effectively raised the lion, primarch of the Dark angels before big EMPs came along, like Luthor, really wasn't happy with the direction things were going.
JoshyAnd around one of the times when the Dark Angels brought a World into compliance.
JoshyThe human empire they're up against really were tricky lot.
JoshyAnd they managed to plant a nuclear bomb on the Lion's flagship.
JoshyAnd when Luthor discovered this, he was hesitant to turn it off.
JoshyOh, and the lion, he's got this real keen sense around him.
JoshyIt's really hard to surprise him.
JoshyIt's really hard to go behind his back.
JoshyHe's kind of got this spider sense, you know.
JohnnyI'm glad you said it.
JoshyAnd, yeah.
JoshyAnd the lion essentially diplomatically banished Luther and his most trusted circle of guys back to their homeworld, Caliban, under recruitment and garrison responsibilities, and just left them there for, like, decades.
JoshyHe's like, I can't really trust you, but you're still my boys.
JoshyNow, when you leave all of these people on the homeworld to go and do your thing, all these insecurities, secretive traditions, they're going to keep going, right?
JohnnyOh, yeah.
JoshyAnd so being kept there, a lot of the Dark Angels were starting to feel.
JoshyFeel like they were already perceived as traitors or were just left behind, or they were just, you know, generally unhappy about the situation and tried to push, like, their agendas.
JoshyNow, eventually, the lion would come back to Caliban, except his fleet would be fired upon by the homeworld.
JohnnyUh, that's not good.
JoshyBecause they were so worried that after all this time, the lion was coming back to get rid of them.
JoshySo instead of being, you know, extinguished, they decided to fight back ahead of time.
JoshyAnd so the rebellion of what would be called the Fallen Angels was very clear to the Lion.
JoshyAnd he orbital bombarded his homeworld so fiercely, it cracked apart.
JoshyAnd then in the ensuing fight, the lion, who went down to the surface, fought with Luthor.
JoshyLuther at that point was really juiced up with warp energies because Caliban was actually a warp infested planet to begin with.
JohnnyOh, they were screwed from the start.
JoshyThat's why they were fearing suspicions of heresy.
JoshyAnd Luther was so just jazzed up, he actually brought the lion down.
JoshyAnd when he did that, all of a sudden, his warp trance evaporated and he was like, uh, oh, what have I done?
JoshyYou know, my son, I've.
JoshyI've.
JoshyYou know, I might have killed my son.
JohnnyMan, this Luthor guy's a chad.
JoshyBut then what happened was, because of all this chaotic interference and the planet cracking apart, a warp storm engulfed the planet, specifically picked up the fallen angels and just scattered them through space and time.
JoshyThere are some fallen which have popped up in, like, millennia.
Joshy38, like days after this war.
JoshyThere have been Dark Angels that were sent back in time.
JoshyYou know, it's just very enigmatic.
JoshyLike the Dark Angels, the Fallen.
JoshyBecause the Fallen actually come in many flavors.
JoshyMost commit to chaos powers of course, because it's like a bit of a savior vibe.
JoshyLike they don't want to die, so they turn to chaos.
JohnnyYep.
JoshyOr they become renegade war bands and warlords most often.
JoshyBut some, you know, really remain loyal to the lion or they sought to redeem themselves.
JoshySo they go up like Hero's Journey, you know.
JoshyBut regardless of where they stand, the Dark Angels and their successors, who they call themselves the Unforgiven because of what happened.
JoshyDespite the Dark Angels of modern day being loyal, they feel like they need to make up for what happened like 10,000 years ago.
JoshyAnd so they hunt the Fallen.
JoshyRight.
JoshyWithout remorse.
JoshyIt even costs them some conflicts and some loyalty with other Imperials because they're like oh, there's a Fallen over there.
JoshyAnd they just go get them.
JoshyThey go after them.
JoshyThey just abandoned the battlefield and just go get them.
JohnnyJeez.
JohnnyThese guys are very chaotic.
JoshyYeah.
JoshyBut there is one Fallen angel more notorious than others.
JoshyAnd that is our boy of today, Cypher.
JoshyNow who is Cypher?
JohnnyI don't know.
JohnnyWe don't know.
JoshyWe don't know who Cypher is.
JoshyAnd that's kind of on.
JoshyOn purpose.
JoshySo Cipher as an individual is the definition of a rogue agent.
JoshyHis motives and even loyalties are just straight up unknown because he's been seen to help both good guys, bad guys and in between.
JoshyBut the title of Cipher actually existed in the very early days of the Dark Angels Legion.
JoshyCipher would be a single member of the ancient orders elected to forsake their identity.
JoshySee where we're going with this?
JoshyAnd basically become a representation of their ancient codes and laws and tenants in overall ways.
JoshyRight.
JohnnySo Cypher is Cypher.
JohnnyCypher is a title.
JoshyCypher is a title.
JohnnyHe's a 007.
JoshyHe's a double.
JoshyOh seven.
JoshyThere is one possibility of who Cipher might be however.
JohnnyOkay.
JoshyBut it's not guaranteed.
JoshyThere was a Fallen angel known as Zahariel.
JoshyAnd like the other Fallen, Zahariel believed the Imperium would not accept the warp tainted Caliban should its secrets be revealed.
JoshyAnd became a key agent of the would be Fallen.
JoshyThe uniting rebel elements of the homeworld before they would fire upon the lion.
JoshyRight.
JoshyZaharia was one of four individuals who.
JoshyWho would actually activate the orbital bombardment batteries.
JoshyBut Zahariel was always a very powerful psyker who was actually known to the Emperor before becoming an actual Astartes.
JoshyBecause when the Emperor came to Caliban, the Knights of the world didn't trust him.
JoshyThey didn't trust what he would do and bring about.
JohnnyI mean, that's fair.
JoshyAnd the inner circle of the Dark Angels actually plotted an assassination of the Emperor.
JoshyBut Zahariel saved him, saved the Emperor, and then would actually become an Astartes after the Emperor wiped his mind off the whole plot.
JoshySo Zahariel actually lost awareness of the paranoia and mistrust of the Dark Angels from Daedot.
JohnnyHold on.
JohnnySo he.
JohnnyBut Cypher's not a Psyker, is he?
JoshyThat's where it all gets a bit messy.
JoshyBut to understand what Cypher could be, we have to.
JoshyYou know, I really feel like we have to have a brief examination of Zahariel.
JohnnyYeah.
JoshyNow, Zahariel also actually saved the lion as well, because that human empire that planted the nuclear bomb, they were allied with Warp entities.
JoshyAnd Zahario and his little cabal of Librarians defeated a Warp entity and actually saved the Lion.
JoshyBut he was also with Luthor in hesitantly disarming the nuclear bomb.
JoshyHe almost didn't do it because he also was not a fan of the direction of the chapter or the Legion.
JoshyAnd so Zahariel, like Luthor, would be banished to Caliban despite his heroics and his prestige.
JohnnyOkay.
JohnnyYep.
JoshyHe would actually be radicalized even further into the Fallen agenda after himself, defeating a cabal of Chaos sorcerers that had made their way to Caliban to further corrupt the Fallen.
JoshyIt's all very like Shadow War, Cold War vibes in defending the Chaos.
JoshySorry.
JoshyIn defending Caliban from the Chaos sorcerers, he would actually be left for dead by the at the time Lord Cipher.
JoshyBecause the at the time Lord Cipher, who had, you know, if we go back, was always an actual titled member of the orders of Caliban.
JohnnyYep.
JoshyBut at that time, that Lord Cipher wanted to puppet Luther.
JoshyRight.
JohnnyEveryone's got an agenda.
JoshyAnd he.
JoshyHe didn't want Zaharia to mess it all up.
JoshyBut when Zahariel would eventually free himself from his trap, he would kill the at the time Lord Cipher.
JoshyAnd it would be Luthor who raised Zahariel to the title of Cipher around about this same time.
JoshyCaliban's Warp essence, in a way, was giving Zahariel these strange visions which showed Zahariel what Caliban itself wanted Cipher to be, which was essentially the actual mythological green knight, A defender of the forest, a defender of the balance of nature.
JoshyIt's all pretty intense.
JoshyIt's a bit hard to make sense of if I'm being real, but that's essentially what happened on Caliban.
JoshyNow Luther would actually feel pretty bad about everything that's going on and sent various Dark Angels that would later be referred to as the Fallen, to actually reinforce the Siege of Terra.
JoshyLike on the good guys side.
JohnnyOh, they showed up during the siege.
JoshyZahariel, not Luther.
JoshyBut Zahariel showed up during the siege and he would fight at the Siege of Terra alongside the very legendary Dark angel warrior, Corswain.
JoshyAnd Corswain was like the first Captain Vibe of the Dark Angels.
JoshySame with Kaan of the World Eaters.
JohnnyYeah, yeah.
JoshyRaldoran of the Blood Angels.
JoshyHe was that kind of figure.
JoshyAnd Corswain was leading the Dark Angels at the Siege of Terra.
JoshyZahariel worked with him.
JoshyIt was Zahariel's mission to actually reactivate the Astronomicon so that Guilliman and the Ultramarines could actually find Terra as it was being smothered by the warp storms, so that they could come and reinforce Terra.
JohnnyYep, that makes sense.
JoshyAnd Zahariel would have to fight the Death Guard.
JoshyHe'd have to fight Typhus.
JoshyHe was fighting to save the Imperium.
JoshyAnd during the battle, he finally decided to don the hood, the ceremonial hood and robe of Lord Cipher, and was never observed as Zahariel ever again.
JoshyThere was no further record of Zahariel since the Siege of Terra.
JohnnySo at some point he became Cipher.
JohnnyBut that doesn't necessarily make him the Cipher we have now.
JoshyExactly.
JoshyOkay, he killed the previous Cipher, Luthor made him Cipher, and then during the Siege of Terror, he accepted the role of Cipher and then was never seen again.
JohnnyWell, as him, as him.
JoshyAnd since the Heresy, none have been actually sure of the identity of Seifer, who has actually appeared in every segmentum across the galaxy.
JoshyDude, he has fought and allied with Imperium and Chaos forces alike.
JoshyHe will avenge a Dark angel grandmaster so that the Dark Angels could recover his relics, only to then, you know, be hunted by the Dark Angels because he's a Fallen.
JoshyAnd then the Dark angel grandmaster that replaced the guy he avenged, he would attempt to slay for daring to hunt him down, you know.
JohnnyOh, man, Dark Angels just, you know, they all just need to calm down a little bit.
JoshyYeah.
JoshyCipher has defended like space Marine chapters against like a plague spreading chaos warband, only to himself spread the next one on purpose.
JoshyHe has led Imperial Guard regiments to victory against Chaos forces, but he has also Assassinated and replaced an Inquisitor assimilated his whole network of contacts and then caused the downfall of an entire hive world.
JohnnyBut why?
JoshyNo one knows.
JoshyNow, whether these are the actions of multiple entities or one, none are sure.
JoshyBut all witnesses claim the sight of a robed power armoured individual wielding two pistols with extreme accuracy and strapping a large sheathed sword at their back.
JoshyAnd it is never wielded.
JohnnyThat's the guy I remember seeing in the Codex.
JoshyHow are you going so far with Cipher?
JohnnyIt's giving me Assassin's Creed vibes.
JoshyYeah.
JoshyKinda like a Green Knight Assassin, but.
JohnnyI'm still missing the why.
JoshyThe why is the key question.
JoshyBecause no one really knows.
JoshyNow it is all of these sightings.
JoshyAnd much like your boy Fabius bile, he's done a lot in the 10,000 ish years since the great crusade.
JohnnyYep.
JoshyBut every time there is confirmed sightings, even if it's a lowly guardsman who said he thought he saw him like six months ago, the various chapters of the Unforgiven, which is all the Dark angels and their successors, they will just drop all of their activities and begin pursuit.
JoshyEven when that results in losses or ridicule.
JoshyYou know, regardless of Cypher's intentions, which some believe he wishes to actually reach the Emperor himself.
JoshyEither to seek forgiveness for the fallen by offering what some believe is the Sword of the lion or upon his back, or use the sword and free the Emperor of his suffering.
JoshyNone are exactly sure which way he's gonna go, but all are pretty understanding that it's the Emperor he's trying to get towards for one reason or another.
JohnnyBut killing the Emperor would be such a bad thing.
JoshyYeah.
JohnnyFor everyone else.
JoshyWhich is what really leans into the Izzy, Good or bad, no one really knows.
JoshyBut I find that particularly interesting because if it is Zahariel, the Emperor knows him.
JohnnyYeah.
JoshyAnd Zahariel knows the Emperor, which leans.
JohnnyMore into the maybe wanting to put him out of his misery.
JohnnyBut putting him out of his misery means chaos wins.
JoshyYeah.
JoshyThere are various individuals who really do think the Emperor needs to just like hang up the phone and just let whatever happens happens.
JoshySome think that when the Emperor kicks it, his body will go away and his soul will reform as like Chaos God number five and therefore be like an imperial deity.
JoshyLike some people do believe that.
JohnnyYeah.
JoshyBut the Dark angels will not let him achieve his mysterious agenda, whatever it is.
JohnnyYeah.
JohnnyBecause he hasn't told him what it is.
JoshyThey don't let him.
JoshyEvery time he shows up they're like, go get Him.
JohnnySomeone just needs to have a conversation with the poor bloke.
JohnnyBe like, so what's the end game here?
JoshyWell, funnily enough, there actually has been a recent part of history where he made his way back to the rock, which is the biggest surviving chunk of Caliban.
JohnnyYeah.
JoshyAnd effectively strong armed several of the named Dark Angels, Ezekiel, Belial, etc.
JoshyTo activate one of those various like Caliban Old world technology devices.
JoshyRight.
JoshyBecause Typhus wanted it.
JoshyOf course he did.
JoshyAnd he basically.
JoshyWhat he did in basically getting the Dark Angels to activate this piece of technology was he sabotaged it.
JoshyAnd it actually recreated the warp storm that scattered the Fallen in the first place.
JoshyLike a causal loop.
JoshyIt was an exact replica of the warp storm that happened in like 30,000, but in 40,000.
JohnnyAnd what did this accomplish?
JoshyPeople aren't quite sure, but there's.
JoshyThere's a lot of like wondering if the Fallen scattering warp storm at the end of the Heresy was actually the Warp storm Cipher caused in like 40,000 going back through time.
JohnnyOh, no.
JoshyTo actually create this sort of network of Fallen Angels, which I neglected to mention was like 20 or 30,000 individuals that have been scattered across space and time.
JohnnyBut that.
JohnnyI feel like I'm going to ask this a lot, but when they're looking at this, why, what does he accomplish by creating that warm storm and sending Fallen all over?
JoshyHere's the thing.
JoshyIt seems that only he knows why he's doing it.
JohnnySeems like he doesn't even know why he's doing it.
JoshyPerhaps not.
JohnnyHe seems like an agent of pure chaos.
JoshyHe definitely seems like an agent of pure chaos.
JoshyEverything seems to have this Alpha Legion esque amount of layers to it.
JoshyIt's kind of insane.
JoshyBut I can give you his most recent big appearance in the main storyline, if you will.
JohnnyOh yeah.
JohnnyWhat has he done recently to piss everyone off?
JoshyHe actually.
JoshyThis is one of his more noble actions.
JohnnySo he's on the Imperium side.
JoshySo do you know what the Terran Crusade was like?
JohnnyThe original one?
JoshyNo.
JoshyThe recent one?
JohnnyNo.
JoshyThe Terran Crusade was when Bobby G.
JoshyRowboat Girlyman.
JohnnyYeah.
JoshyRoboute Guilliman was resurrected by a combined effort of Ynnari characters.
JoshyBelisarius Cawl, Saint Celestine, Black Templar, dudes on Ultramar.
JohnnyYep.
JoshyThis coincided with the opening of the Great Rift.
JoshyBecause Cadia fell.
JohnnyYep.
JoshySo Guilliman, to figure out what the heck's gone on with the galaxy since he's been sleeping, had the Terran Crusade, he and all those various people that resurrected him.
JoshyAnd like, Ultramarine dudes, whatever, they all basically partied up and tried to make it way make their way back to Terra to get an understanding of the situation.
JoshyBecause the Great Rift just opened.
JoshyGuilliman's been unconscious for 10,000 years.
JoshyWhat's going on?
JohnnyRight, yeah, yeah.
JoshyBut because of all this big Chaos power bump.
JoshySo many agents of Chaos were after Guilliman, Kairos, Fateweaver, Big Tzeentian Demon Prince.
JohnnyYeah.
JohnnyTwo headed bird.
JoshyTwo headed Birdman essentially led Guilliman and his fellows into a big old trap and basically forced Guilliman to surrender himself so that his forces would live.
JoshyAnd Kairos Fateweaver imprisoned Guilliman inside a Blackstone fortress.
JohnnyNice.
JoshyGuess who saved Guilliman from an almost eternity of rotting away inside this fortress?
JohnnyI don't know who saved him.
JohnnyAll I know is he goes by the name Cypher.
JoshyCypher and several fallen angels.
JoshyBut Cypher was not alone.
JoshyHe had a new ally.
JoshyYou might know this person.
JoshyA Harley Quinn by the name of Salandri Veilwalker.
JohnnyOh, I'm so overhearing the name.
JohnnyVale Walker.
JohnnyI need to know what this story is.
JohnnySuddenly, Fabius and Cipher are connected.
JoshySolandri, Vale Walker and her Harlequins with Cipher and several of his fallen buddies rescued Gilliman from the fortress and helped him along to Terra.
JoshyBecause Salandri decided to mention that there's always been a webway portal on Luna.
JoshyAs in the Moon of Terra.
JohnnyYep.
JoshyAnd so Cipher, Vale Walker, Guilliman and his cohort went through the webway to go to Terra.
JoshyNow, Cipher had one demand of Guilliman before letting him out.
JoshyWhat do you think it was?
JohnnyLet me see.
JohnnyThe Emperor.
JoshyCorrect.
JohnnyAnd he got declined.
JoshyWell, Guilliman said sure.
JoshyBut then when they got there, well, Guilliman was in no real choice to.
JohnnySay, nah, sorry, Rowboat Girly man said yes.
JohnnySo this dude almost accomplished what he was going to accomplish.
JoshySure did.
JoshySo Guilliman, Vale, Walker, Cipher, bunch of others went through the webway, except they were once again ambushed by Chaos.
JoshyBut it was Magnus and his Thousand Sons.
JoshyAnd they had an inevitable battle on Luna.
JoshyYou had Guilliman, the Imperial Fists, who defend the Sol system.
JoshyThat's their job.
JoshyThe Sisters of Silence, who are actually based on Luna.
JoshyAll these folks, the Harley Quinns, Saint Celestine, everybody was fighting Magnus and the Thousand Sons.
JoshyAnd they won, obviously, because Magnus can't win.
JohnnyPoor Magnus.
JoshySalandri decided to accept Gilliman's conditions of close that fricking portal.
JoshyWe can't have people just arriving next to Terra like that.
JoshyAnd so she's like, okay, bye.
JoshyAnd then took her Harley Quinns and went through the portal, and, like, they closed it forever.
JohnnyBut did they break it?
JoshyYeah, maybe Harlequins.
JoshySo within hours of joining up on Terra, Cipher was imprisoned.
JoshyHe's like, all right, where's my meeting?
JoshyAnd Guilliman's like, look, thanks, but I don't, like, fully trust you.
JoshyI haven't even spoken with dad yet, you know?
JoshyAnd so the Adeptus Custodians imprison Cipher and his fallen boys in the dark cells, which are their pitch black jail below the palace.
JoshyWithin hours, Cypher broke free, but probably not for the reason you would expect.
JoshyHow do you think he was freed?
JohnnyBefore we get down to how we thought he was freed, yeah.
JohnnyHow much does Rowboat Girlyman know of the Fallen?
JohnnyAren't they on, like, the opposite side of the galaxy?
JoshyLook, I think Guilliman saw old Dark Angels and that they weren't exactly like a cohesive force and were like, hmm.
JohnnyThey don't fight like Dark Angels should fight.
JoshyYeah, they're, like, all, like, in their old baroque armor.
JoshyThey got, like, scrap together bits of armor and weaponry.
JoshyThey're allied with Harley Quinn's.
JoshyYou know, they're just ducking in and out of Blackstone fortresses.
JohnnyIf anyone should be okay with them being teamed up with the Harlequins is the dude that was rezzed by Aeldari.
JoshyYeah, I think Guilliman was just very protective of dad.
JohnnyYeah, either that or someone's whispering in girly man's ear.
JoshyYeah, but at this point, you know, Guilliman hadn't even spoken with dad, I'm fairly sure, and was just like, look, you know, we can talk about it later, but for right now, I need you to just, like, stay put and not do anything.
JohnnyJust get into a jail cell.
JoshyBut then the Custodians would be aware of the Fallen, so.
JoshyBut how do you think Cipher was.
JoshyWas freed from the dark cells?
JoshyNotoriously hard prison to get out of, by the way.
JohnnyI swear, if you told me, Veilwalker.
JoshyWas there something more humorous than that?
JoshyThe Dark Angels.
JohnnyWhat?
JoshyThe Dark Angels got word Cipher was on Terror.
JohnnyThey're like, we gotta kill our brother.
JoshyThey snuck into the dark cells and damaged the plasma generators powering the gates.
JohnnyOf the cell so they could get in.
JoshyI don't know if you knew this, Jonny, but when the Great Rift opened up, Khorne himself was like, yeah, bet.
JoshyAnd sent, like, an insane amount of Chaos Demons to Terra.
JoshyAnd so the actual palace was a bit weakened, the infrastructure a bit shaken, and then the Dark Angels just like broke open the cells to get to.
JohnnyThis boy to kill him.
JoshyYeah, and Cypher and his brethren really good at getting out of problems.
JoshyAnd.
JoshyAnd that's exactly what happened.
JoshyThey got out and fled.
JohnnyTerra, man, if you're the Dark Angels, you're like, oops.
JoshyWell, it actually got way worse for the Dark Angels.
JoshyNot because they were censured by the Custodians, but because in their pursuit of Cypher and his boys, the various librarians of various Unforgiven chapters all had this similar psychic vision that Cipher would be at the planet of Darkmoor.
JoshyAnd so roughly a thousand Marines, which is a decent amount in this setting.
JoshyYeah, went to Darkmoore to ambush Cipher and the Fallen.
JoshyExcept when they arrived, Darkmoor was no longer an Imperial world, but a graveyard crawling in renegade Marines and demons.
JoshyAnd Darkmoore was actually a trap set by Fallen to basically get the Dark Angels to stop fricken chasing them for a while.
JohnnyWhat, by killing them?
JoshyYeah, so.
JohnnySo the Dark Angels worst enemy is themselves.
JoshyEssentially.
JoshyThey went gung ho after the Fallen got led to the planet Darkmoor, which was a trap.
JoshyWhat was once an Imperial world was now like a dead world covered with demons and renegade Marines ready to just kill him.
JoshyOf about a thousand Dark angel and their cousins, about a hundred survived only because they were so relentless in pursuing Cipher across the battlefield.
JoshyIn his own escape of Darkmoore, he went through a teleportarium and they also like went with him.
JoshySo there's this weird thing of like, he was kinda responsible for leading them to a trap, but he also saved a few of them.
JohnnyYeah, but that doesn't seem like he saved them.
JohnnyIt feels more like they're Blood Angels who saw Horus.
JoshyYeah, but it wasn't so much Cipher's plan as it was the Fallen's plan.
JohnnyBut he is a Fallen.
JoshyYes, that's the hard part.
JoshyCipher has also since been pursued by his Custodian jailers, because they weren't none pleased that he got away.
JoshyAnd this is the last we know of Cipher.
JoshyHe was pursued by his Custodian jailers.
JoshyHe crossed the Great Rift into the Imperium Nihilus, the northern part.
JoshyAnd the Custodians had no real choice but to follow him across the Great Rift.
JoshyThe Great Rift had damaged their senses just enough that they weren't able to tell that their senses weren't picking up a black painted small void craft that's kind of like trailing them.
JoshyLike a barnacle to a ship.
JoshyWho is more than likely Cipher himself, sneakily following the custodians as they sheepishly try and follow him.
JohnnyAre you sure Seifer is a dark angel?
JoshyNo, no one's sure about Seifer at all.
JohnnyBecause he's.
JohnnyHe's giving me Alpharius vibes.
JoshyHe might be Alpharius.
JoshyThat's how much we don't know.
JohnnyThat would be a hell of a twist to throw into their lore.
JoshyI could see it.
JoshyI can very well see it.
JoshyBut that's about as much as I got for Cipher, lore and bio for you today.
JohnnyI will say, after hearing all this, I had no clue what Cipher was about.
JohnnyAnd that hasn't changed.
JoshyThat hasn't changed.
JohnnyI was always curious why he had a sword but used two pistols in melee.
JohnnyAnd that hasn't changed.
JoshyIt's maybe the Lion's sword.
JohnnyBut hasn't the lion got a sword?
JoshyWell, he's got a new sword.
JohnnySo why doesn't he just give lion back his sword?
JoshyI don't think he's met him yet.
JohnnyI don't think he's tried hard enough.
JoshyIn the lore, lion just got back.
JoshyHe probably doesn't know the in the lore timeline.
JoshyThe lion coming back is after the last known appearance.
JoshyIt might happen, just not yet.
JoshyWe're up to date.
JoshyIf there is something that the lion is doing, though, it's redeeming the Fallen.
JoshyHis book, The Lion's book was him waking up from his weird, you know, green night coma.
JoshyHe's going from world to world as an individual by coincidence, meeting up with various fallen angels that aren't exactly bad boys.
JoshyAnd he's like, I forgive you.
JoshyAnd then he gets his little posse of redeemed angels who are definitely not the inner circle champions.
JohnnyThat sounds like it could be both a good thing and a bad thing.
JohnnyRedeeming fallen and being like, sorry, guys, I understand why you did what you did.
JohnnyMy bad.
JoshyWell, there are some that he just straight up didn't redeem.
JohnnyBut what if they're just.
JohnnyI guess he's got that spidey sense, right?
JohnnyI was going to say, what stops them from lying to him?
JoshyGreat.
JoshyCrusade Lion, Petulant man child, much like all of his brothers.
JohnnyI was going to say, like all the Primarchs.
Joshy42Nd Millennium Lion, Old wise man.
JoshyThat's like, I just want peace.
JoshyHe hates Gilliman notoriously, but almost wept when he realized that he has a brother still alive.
JoshyLike, dudes, dudes had a little Bit of a change of heart of his ways.
JohnnyHe has a couple of brothers alive.
JohnnyThey just don't look the same.
JoshyHe woke up and had to 1v1 Angron.
JoshyI'm sure he's pleased about Guilliman existing.
JohnnyThey just haven't met yet.
JoshyNo, he's been hanging out with Dante instead.
JohnnyBut Dante hasn't told Guilliman that the lion is back yet either.
JohnnySo here these two brothers are like.
JoshyI'm the only brother in the Arcs of Omen, the lion was, like, picked up by Dante, and he's like, why the heck are you wearing a Sanguinius mask?
JoshyLike, that's disrespectful.
JohnnyAnd.
JoshyAnd Dante had to be like, actually, no, it is respectful.
JoshyThis is our ways now.
JoshyLike, it's like 10,000 years later.
JoshyAnd Lyon's like, oh, okay.
JoshyAnd then, like, after a couple of battles, Dante's like, oh, yeah, we just got word from Lord Guilliman, blah, blah, blah.
JoshyAnd Lion's like, huh, Guilliman's alive.
JoshyI'm not the only one.
JoshyAnd that was kind of like the end of that.
JoshyThat was it.
JoshyThat's like, Dark Angel's caught up now.
JohnnyYou know, the more I hear about the Dark Angels, the less I like them.
JoshyI don't like them much myself, but I like Cypher for being an absolute mad lad.
JohnnyI used to think the models looked cool, and I was like, oh, yeah, I kind of get it.
JoshyThey do look cool.
JohnnyAnd now the law just makes them seem like the worst people in the Imperium just because they're so dumb.
JoshyYou have some characters like Azrael, Lazarus, they're not bad.
JoshyBut then you have absolute unhinged retards like Asmodai, but they're just.
JohnnyThey're just doing stupid shit.
JoshyYep.
JoshyAzmodai basically got told by the lion, shut the heck up.
JoshyYou're being crazy.
JoshyAnd Azmodai was like, is the Lion a traitor?
JohnnyOh, my God.
JohnnyWell, I think that's a really good place to leave it.
JoshyHis data sheet first.
JohnnyOh, we still have a data sheet.
JohnnyGo ahead.
JoshyYeah, real quick, though.
JohnnyHe's.
JohnnyHe's a chad in game.
JoshyHe's got his second sculpt ever in the 2017 Gathering Storm campaign, which was Guilliman coming back.
JoshyHe got a model.
JoshyIt's not bad.
JoshyIt's relatively detailed.
JoshyShowcases a lot of the Horus Heresy era Dark angel design.
JoshyHe is a modest 90 points.
JoshyHe's more of a lone operative action monkey.
JoshyHe's not too different in stat line to other Marine characters.
JoshyHumorously, his weapons are as effective in melee as they are at range with a sustained hits assault base profile.
JoshySo he runs around quite a lot.
JoshyHe hits on 2s and has a relatively decent chance of taking down a few marines or similarly tough infantry.
JoshyHe uses his signature bolt and plasma pistols in melee.
JoshyNot the sword at his back or the.
JoshyWait for this.
JoshyThis is going to be a sentence to just throw you for a loop.
JoshyThe C'tan phase blade he has supposedly used in the lore lost to time after he fought the Nightbringer with it during the 13th Black Crusade.
JohnnyWhoa.
JoshyCipher fought a Necron C'tan shard with a Necron blade and then lost the blade.
JoshyThat's just another thing he's done.
JohnnyWho the hell is this bloke?
JoshyAlpharius?
JohnnyMaybe it's Omegon.
JoshyMaybe.
JoshyNow, he does have a couple of abilities.
JoshyIt allows him to increase the cost of stratagems used near him.
JoshySo let's say you want to command, reroll or save if you're within 12 inches, it now costs 2, etc.
JoshyAnd he also has the Necron Hex Mark Destroyer vibe of if he's next to a friend and you shoot his friend, he'll just shoot you.
JohnnyYeah, he's.
JohnnyHe's a cool dude in game.
JoshyNotably, he does not lead the unit known as the Fallen.
JohnnyThat would be because the Fallen aren't in the Codex.
JoshyAll my other characters won't be this in depth, I imagine.
JoshyWhat do you think of Cypher?
JohnnyI.
JohnnyI don't know if I like him.
JoshyYeah.
JohnnyI just don't know enough about him to trust him.
JoshyHe's too much of a question mark.
JohnnyYeah.
JohnnyI need to know a little bit more about his motives.
JoshyIf he has them.
JohnnySee, if he didn't have motives, I could accept that.
JohnnyEverything points to there's a reason.
JohnnyLike, you're doing this weird stuff.
JohnnyThere has to be an end goal.
JoshyYeah, the Emperor.
JohnnyBut why?
JohnnyAgain, questions.
JohnnyI do like the enigmatic characters.
JoshyIt's like Solandri Veilwalker.
JohnnyMan, you should have picked her for one of the advents next year.
JohnnyOh, man, that's a lot of messy stuff.
JohnnyHarlequins are weird.
JoshyNext year's Advent calendar.
JoshyI'm picking Veilwalker.
JoshyDone.
JohnnyAll right.
JoshyAll right.
JoshyBrilliant.
JoshyThat is another of our character vignettes for our countdown.
JoshyThe 2025 advent calendar.
JoshyThis was Cypher.
JoshyWho?
JoshyIs he a Dark angel or is he an Alpha Legion?
JoshyI don't know.
JoshyI am Joshy.
JohnnyAnd I'm Johnny.
JoshyBye.