You're the executive producer of the religion business.

He's got the whole world.

You're hating on the church.

Well, first of all, what is a church?

They have an estimated net assets of $265 billion.

People need to know how that money's being spent.

How does one know they're not getting duped by their pastor?

I can completely manipulate you.

You don't have to tell anybody anything.

What can go wrong?

Are we official now?

Are we official?

This week on the Wild Chaos podcast?

From an investigator standpoint, you're looking at.

What drives this machine.

And what drives a machine so often is tithes.

Tithing is a test he gave his son and you want to argue about 10%?

We've got about 1.8 million nonprofits registered with the IRS today.

Over 4 trillion in assets.

You have the for profit world, you have the nonprofit world.

And inside that nonprofit world, you have religious nonprofits or churches.

How do you stop people from taking the money out of organization to the people who are controlling it?

Greetings, Father.

I've come to request an indulgence for.

My mother within the church.

Is tithing voluntary or is it compulsory?

Does a 990 tell you how much equipment they have?

They have $111 million worth of aircraft.

We do not want this church or any other church destroyed or intimidated by the government.

Yo, buddy.

Got a text message from megachurch pastor out of Minnesota.

Mac would be interested in sitting down with us and having a conversation.

That's huge.

We'll drop everything and fly up to him.

An informant brought Revival capital of the.

World to our attention.

They have an estimated net assets of $265 billion.

I have a question for you.

Actually, no, we're not gonna answer the question.

No, no.

My question is.

You answer our question.

Where is Wisdom Heights?

I need to go.

Whoa.

Flash your gun.

Hey, Lauren.

We may be having a rescue.

She needs safety for the daughter.

The daughter is not safe.

So people are donating and it's going.

To silence a rape.

Did he have hiv?

I'm pushing away.

I mean, I'm trying down in my dress.

He told me not to tell anyone, especially my husband.

Hi, my name is Nathan Apfel.

I just had questions pertaining to housing allowance and also his salary.

And then also we heard that was ordained and also takes housing allowance.

How is the sermon?

You are being detained.

Separation of church and state is just a recipe for churches to be a potential for wrong.

Okay, Chris.

A right, sir.

I feel like I'm saying that wrong.

I'm saying so the English pronunciation is aub.

The Arabic pronunciation is aub.

Aub.

Yeah.

So, aub, what's your ethnicity?

He.

I'm Le.

Okay.

Yeah.

Lebanese and Puerto Rican.

Okay.

Well, yeah, I don't really look like either, but yeah.

Yeah, I was trying to figure it out.

So.

Especially with a last name like that, usually.

I could usually put people ge.

Geographically.

Okay.

My mom's ancestors come from Spain, so Puerto Rico, either African American, Native American, Spanish mainly, or a mix of the three, so it's predominantly Spanish.

And then on my dad's side, his ancestors come from Turkey, Armenia, old Mesopotamia.

When did.

Did your parents migrate here?

They did.

They both went to college.

Ended up meeting in college in North Texas.

When.

So when was your.

Wasn't there a huge civil war there?

Was.

There was that before your parents left or your dad left.

So.

So they.

They graduated from college in the early 70s, then they moved back to Lebanon, and then my dad and mom moved to United Arab Emirates.

They had my brother in Lebanon.

They had my sister in the uae.

And then my mom was visiting and, like, the civil war broke out literally while my mom was at the airport.

And then everything went crazy.

And then we come from a long lineage of Christianity.

Okay.

And so my dad's grandfather was one of the founders of, like, the Christian army in Lebanon.

No kidding.

In that war.

And then his uncle, I used to watch him on.

On cnn.

He was the right hand to Michelle Aoun, who's now the president, or I believe he's still the president.

I mean, he's an older, older dude now, but he was a general.

And so I'd always see him on.

On, like, CNN and stuff like that growing up.

Interesting.

Which is one of my inspirations for going into the military because I was like, my dad loved America.

He loves America, still does.

And freedom isn't free and that.

That concept.

And then, you know, just like you, bro, like, I imagine you look back at some of these wars that we've been involved with and are involved in, and you're like, what on earth?

What we were we doing there?

We.

We drank the Kool Aid.

Oh, I drank the Kool Aid.

All right.

I never normally read anybody's intro.

I just try to, you know, hit the facts.

But you have accomplished so much.

I'm.

I'm going to touch on just a few of them, and we're going to dive into this episode.

Before we do, we're going to send you home with a fresh baked sourdough loaf.

This is our stinky bee.

It's Actually an Asiago garlic.

I love herbs.

It started as a homeschool project for our youngest and as a family and it ended up turning into a business and now we ship bread all over the country.

All of our fans and followers and listeners support the heck out of your kids.

You're quite the entrepreneur.

Try man.

You're doing it.

I can't go.

Once you, once you leave, there's no going back.

Yeah, I'm unemployable.

100 People don't understand that.

It's that that's my biggest fear.

Losing children and having to work for somebody again are I.

That is what keeps me up at night.

And this we will fight for.

This is where.

Yes.

And so as the podcast, you know, I'm like, man, why not plug my own kids business and they people can support, which they do, which is incredible.

So the sour be then I'm going to send you home with some swag.

I got you a wild chaos tea and a hat.

And then this is actually he's a Navy vet, something we like to do different on the podcast, no matter how big we get.

Yeah.

I allow veteran and law enforcement, small businesses and he first responders to send us anything to be able to give to guests.

So Chris is a local Navy vet.

He went into, tried to be buds, ended up on the last phase of land nav, ended up getting really injured and dropped from the course.

Now he has started linear, which is an incredible lifestyle brand as far as fitness apparel.

High end, really high quality fitness.

Good for him.

Some of those things wreck people when they don't, when they don't make their dream.

Yeah, they smile, they spiral down fast their whole life and that's what they've looked forward to is from, from children moving on.

So yeah, we try to do something special for, you know, law enforcement, first responders, military, everybody to give them little bit of love back as we grow.

I want to help others grow.

So Chris, all right, I'm going to just attempt to read some of your highlights of what you have accomplished.

So first and foremost, you're a father.

I am.

And you are a all in incredible Christian man of faith, which is I am all about.

As this podcast grows and we start getting going, almost every one of our conversations somehow find its way back to God, to Christ, to religion, to faith and how people have been in and out of it.

So I want to highlight that because we're going to be talking a lot about that.

So you were a graduate of the US Air Force Academy.

You were named Air Force Cadet of the Year, which is pretty incredible for people listening because that's a recognition from the Pentagon.

Yes.

You served as an officer in both the U.S. air Force and Army.

You deployed in Operation Iraqi freedom.

You've completed 64 combat missions.

You were awarded company grad Officer of the year, which is pretty awesome.

I mean, especially as an officer, be able to stand out.

I'm an enlisted, so it's.

I have a different perspective and I was, I taught officers for a while.

So we were a little more political.

Yeah.

Very, very.

And rubbed off sometimes.

You were ranked the number one peer rating at Special Operations Civil Air Force Civil affairs selection.

So you've accomplished quite a bit of things in the military side.

And then you end up transitioning out, which you led a real est real estate startup to one of the first fully digital property closing companies in the US I don't know if I said that right.

Yeah.

And so you've completed 20 mergers and acquisitions.

So bringing a lot of companies together, which is a hell of an accomplishment.

You are the co founder of Broken shepherd, which focuses on accountability in religious infrastructure, which is what we want to talk on today.

And one of the most important things is what brought us here is you're the executive producer of the religion business.

Yes.

Which is blowing up.

You guys are about to drop season two here in a couple of months, which is shifting gears toward kids.

But this first season, it's a mini docu series where you and your partner are now uncovering the business side of religion.

And that's, that's what caught my attention because as me as a baby Christian, a huge following, a huge amount of my followers and listeners are also in this uprising of young Christians, at least people that are God conscience.

Yeah.

And we have questions, we have doubts.

We see things for differently than probably the boomer generation that believed everything that they were told.

So now people are asking questions and then hear you guys come along.

So before we dive into that, I just want to make it very clear.

We're both Christians.

Yes.

This isn't an attack at church or churches.

Correct.

Because like we spoke about beforehand, my daughter is a huge role model in her church and for youth.

I'm a huge advocate in people going to church.

But who I am, I have questions and I look at things differently.

We went to.

What was that concert?

We went to the worship concert.

Do you remember Kiddo Elevate Elevation Worship.

Yeah.

Very familiar with them.

Good.

I'm the type of Christian it sometimes I don't connect with a pastor, but I, I Always connect with worship.

That is, that's my, my, that's how I connect.

I can drive through the moun, put on my worship and I just all comes out.

We go to this concert and this guy comes out and my wife's looking and she goes that, those are, that's a Cartier bracelet.

That's a Cartier necklace.

He also had some others.

And we start looking this stuff up and this dude's wearing 5, 6 grand worth of jewelry on the stage and in the middle of this worship he stops the whole entire thing and goes in like this 30 minute ad for people to start donating.

And it just killed it for me.

I was like, I'm out.

This is, this is it.

So these are the types of things I want to cover.

So Chris, we got a lot to talk about.

Let's go.

I'm really excited for this.

Like we start every episode where, who are you?

Where are you from?

So Chris Ayoub, born and raised in Dallas, Texas.

I'm a father of four.

That's my number one ministry.

Are my kids follower of Christ, Military veteran.

I growing, growing up understood like the concept of freedom isn't free.

My dad is from Lebanon.

I was sharing that with you and they were in a civil, a civil war, like a religious war.

When I was, when I was growing up and my godfather married, how he became part of the family was, is he married my dad's aunt on the Lebanese side while he was on, while he was on a mission in Lebanon.

And so he came, came, they became my godparents and I was going to all the military installations with him and he was a very unique man.

World War II, Korean War and Vietnam war veteran, Purple Heart, just a stud.

One of the most decorated war veterans.

And he really just mentored me a lot growing up and I was like, I want to serve my country.

So I went down that path.

And then when my, when I got injured in the, in the, in the army and I was like, okay, well this, this part of my life is done.

Like what do I, what do I do?

So I got into, I went and worked, consulted at KPMG and Walmart International was my client.

So I had like little experience whatsoever and I got dump off in Bentonville, Arkansas.

Okay.

And Walmart just got hit with this massive fine because they bought a bunch of overseas companies and their cult and those in those cultures you could, you know, you could pay off government officials.

Oh, you know, money under the table and such.

But sec.

If you're, if you're a publicly Traded company, United States.

You're getting watched.

So they got smashed.

So we got, we got put into take a look at all their financial processes and implement new financial controls.

So can imagine this like an army dude coming out and doing that type of job.

It was a great learning experience.

And then I went and became the COO of a tech subsidiary of Old Republic International.

And we were, we were digitizing.

When you look back at this point in time, you know, this is, you know, 2013ish, 2014ish, where we're about five or six years removed from the great housing market crash.

Right?

Okay.

So it's like, hey, consumers need to know what they're signing up for and all that kind of stuff.

Well, you know, handing them 5,000 sheets of paper isn't helping.

So we need to digitize this and make things clear.

So the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau wanted to launch a digital closing pilot, and they were pushing to go that way and to get disclosures that way and for you to really know.

So we were able to, in order to qualify, you had to have completed a digital closing before.

So it was, you know, a race to the finish line, if you will, to make sure we got that.

So we got one of the first digital closings got linked up at the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

And that, that company's off doing great, great things.

I was at a bible study and I met the chairman and founder of this real estate management firm, HOA Management, which, if anyone hasn't experienced HOA Management, it is the wild, wild west.

It is absolutely one of the hardest businesses to manage.

Why is that?

Because homeowners don't call your company and say, hey, guess what?

The gate worked today.

I just want to say thank you.

Oh, the, the guy.

They got a boat in their front yard.

That's all.

That's what you hear.

The dogs, the boats, the loud neighbors, people parking their cars where they shouldn't park them, people not paying, people not doing their yards, all that kind of stuff.

And then you're site, you're giving them citations.

Oh, yeah, I've gone rounds with HOA before.

You're telling them, hey, you're way past due.

Hey, we're referring you to the attorney's office now.

So it's not like, it's like there is some like, hey, yard of the month type stuff, right?

But a lot of the dialogue is just not, not kind.

And then a lot of, a lot of HOAs, they hire you and the fees are low.

Like HOA management companies, the biggest loss leader is the HOA management fee.

You make your money off of closing transactions, collections, other types of one off toll booths.

You do not make your money on the bread and butter of the business, which is, we're going to come, you know, to your community twice a week.

We're going to do the inspections, we're going to send citations out, we're going to be receiving your phone calls, receiving the money for you, paying your bills, giving you financial reports.

It's very accounting intensive, for sure.

And so they'll often be like, we pay you $1,000 a month.

Why aren't you, why isn't your person here all the time?

Like, and then just kind of like as a commonsensical businessman, it's like, hey, let me break this down for you.

Which you're not.

We're paying an employee, fully loaded, 80k a year.

Okay, all right.

You pay us $1,000 a month.

Just the numbers don't work out.

Like we have to stay in business.

You're a nonprofit, we're a for profit, like so real challenging.

But we did a lot of mergers and acquisitions and led that company to a merger with a PE firm and then had an opportunity from there.

I got a little bit of a windfall and that's where I said the same thing you said.

Like, I'm done working for boards, I'm done working for people.

I'm going to put my, I'm going to put money where, where God's telling me to put money.

And this is at a point in my life where like I had just, you know, I'd gone through a divorce of my kid's mom.

I'm like, am I really walking with Christ?

I think I'm living two different lives.

And it was just this big wrestle and realization.

And then you see your, you see your, your kids suffering.

I have four.

Yeah.

And at the time, single father, traveling 200 days a year running, being the president of a company doing major big deals and 200 days a year, and I didn't have a nanny or anything.

Was it worth it?

Which part?

Running and gunning 200 days a year on the road, building multi million dollar businesses.

When you look back on it, I was that worth it?

Yeah.

Okay.

The reason why it's worth it is, is because now it has put me.

It like God takes everything and turns it into something beautiful.

Absolutely.

So I had this realization that my kids need me.

Okay.

So I can't be traveling 200 days a year working for a board and such.

My kids need me to.

It gave Me the financial freedom to be able to pour into my children.

I don't miss any of their events.

I'm always there for them.

We spend a lot of time together.

And if it wasn't for that and the realizations, it's like my kids went through a lot through that divorce and with me being traveling and work, I was being my top priority.

That like now them seeing the changes within me, they know those changes came from me following Christ.

So you got out at the right moment.

The reason I asked if it was.

Worth it because I got out the right moment.

Yeah, you, you got the exit at.

Because I feel the normal human.

Okay.

We're, we're acquiring businesses, we're growing.

I'm crushing, babe.

I'm crushing.

I can't step out now.

And then before you know it, you kid, your kids are graduating and then that's when the regret sets in and or I sacrificed it all for you guys.

That's what I wanted to see.

Because you got the beginning stages, then you exited at the right time to be able to build that and then now spend that time with your kids.

So that's that.

That was the why I wanted to see how your mind is on.

Yeah.

You know, and the thing is I've never been like, I'm, I'm actually kind of like I've never been asked that question as many conversations I have.

So I appreciate you, you asking that because it really, it really helps me process and go.

Yeah, like, good.

Absolutely.

Then I was looking at going into mental health.

You know, I had struggled with, with, with my own, with my own stuff.

And you're looking at going and getting mental health, taking care of yourself or as far as business wise.

Business wise.

Okay.

So I, I, I had contract on land in Utah and was going to build an old, an adult transition facility in affiliation with Southern Utah University.

Okay.

This concept of they had this failure to, failure to launch where people just weren't growing up and they just wanted to stay home and play video games.

And they were trying to figure that part out.

And I was, I was like, I'm, I'm all about that.

And then there was this huge gap of parents that have just like parents abdicate so many of the roles which you get because you homeschool your kids, you're like, I'm done abdicating my roles out to every institution that's out there.

So parents will often be like, my kids are doing drugs.

My kids are doing this.

My kids are, aren't behaving and all that.

And it's like, well, you might be the problem.

Right.

And so I really had to like have this realization like, is this really what I want to go into?

Do I want to go in there, like, can you really help kids when their parents are still the problem?

No.

And the answer is enabling.

You're enabling.

And then, and then, and then it's, and then you're making money off of that.

And so that just, I just, I just couldn't do that.

And then I got introduced to this guy that he owned a software company in the HOA management space and he said was like, let's do business.

Let's do business.

We talked, I had, I've been sober from alcohol for about six years.

Good for you.

Thanks, man.

He literally was like a year behind me in that process.

Like he hit, quit and then all that.

So we just had this bond.

He was a follower of Christ as well too.

And he goes, hey, I want to introduce you to friend of mine.

He's a two time Emmy award winning filmmaker and for about a decade he's been doing research on this topic of religion business.

And so I was like, I was like, okay, that sounds interesting.

Well, he had done enough filming and had self been self funding this to a point where he could put a trailer in a pitch deck.

And who is this?

Nathan Apple.

Nathan, your partner in the religion business now.

Okay.

And so immediately I met Nathan and I was like, you know, you just know.

I'm like, this guy's a bro.

He looks like, it just looks like a dude you'd cross on a boardwalk somewhere on a beach.

Yes.

He's just that dude with a long board in his.

Total surfer.

Yeah, that's what he looks like 100%.

And so, so he needed, he needed capital, but like the thing he needed the most was a brother to be in the trenches with.

Okay.

This is not something you can do alone.

You need, you need somebody to bounce ideas off of.

You need somebody there when you're taking grenades.

You need somebody.

It, it's a lot.

I mean I've, I've endured the craziest amount of stuff.

I want to get into that because obviously with religion comes the radicals and you guys are kicking the hornets nest at the top.

Yeah.

You're not just walking these little mom paw churches which happens and being like show us your numbers.

Like you're going after the establishment of the Christian church or the Mormons.

You're going you guys outing at all.

So I'm sure you're getting.

Isn't that crazy?

When you actually question things.

You the religions show you how the true evil running behind it.

That's why I want to get into this.

When we get it into the.

Oh yeah.

Of I'm sure the threats and ever.

Because I get.

I'm just letting people talk about religion.

I get crucified by a particular religion, Mormons.

But they hate me.

And so the, the threats and just the vile stuff that I get from these people of God.

It's hilarious.

So I want to dig into.

And so I agreed that I would do this but our agreement was that we wouldn't do anything that was a grenade toss without having a solution.

So we built a software platform Broken Shepherds which brings in 1.9 million profits into our database.

It's an app and you can go in and claim your nonprofit.

All the nonprofits in the United States that people would donate to, you go in and claim them and then you fill out some basic information revenue expenses like 990 type information.

So the whole.

The gist of the religion business and where all this darkness comes from we discovered 10 loopholes that happen.

And a couple of those loopholes like housing allowances, real estate transactions, all these different things.

And the whole reason behind that is when they have separation of church and state, they have religious liberty freedoms.

Churches do not have to turn a 990 into the IRS, which a normal charity.

We had to.

You have to.

We file everything.

You have a level of transparency on that document that you're held to account for.

Yep.

Religious organizations don't have any.

And then they'll say things like hey, God commands you to give 10% to us.

Okay.

That is not.

That is absolute way taken out of biblical context.

And so you're now manipulating God's word.

You're getting money and it's in a dark system where you don't have to tell anybody anything.

What can go wrong?

What can go wrong.

So just like statistically speaking, a trillion dollars to the nonprofit space comes from individual donors every year in the United States.

A trillion.

Holy cow.

Over 500 billion of that is to religious organizations.

So just in the United States alone, globally, it's a trillion dollars to Christianity by individuals.

This isn't including government grants or anything.

Individuals that money comes in.

It is the darkest space possible.

There are all these loopholes that you can operate in like housing allowances.

Right.

That's a.

That's a.

That's a huge one.

Huge one.

There's a, a guy in pastor in Dallas that in 2004 got sued or no was suing somebody.

So there was discovery.

And in that discovery, it came out that he was getting at that time, around a quarter million dollars a year just in a housing allowance.

Now, this is 20 something years ago.

Today, this same individual has about $20 million worth of personal real estate.

The religious organization, the religious entity that people are donating money to.

They pay for the taxes on the house, they pay for down payments on that house.

They pay for hoa.

They pay for, you need a chef, you need a maid.

They pay for all that, the donors.

So my philosophy on all this is they're like, you're hating on the church.

Well, first of all, what is a church?

Is it the building, is it the location?

Or is it the body?

Or is this.

You and I are having church right now.

Exactly.

And so can we call it a business?

It has revenue coming in, expenses going out.

They have a hard time calling it a business.

But you operate businesses with transparency because that's the only way you could ever be held accountable.

And the definition of transparency is to be able to stand up to public scrutiny.

So if your congregation is like, hey, you have $20 million of real estate, like, from what we've heard.

Make that make sense.

Make that make sense.

I don't have to tell you, that's not standing at the public scrutiny at all.

That's just like, I'm going to hide behind the law.

You know what's crazy about you saying this is when we had our charity, I ended up totaling my truck.

I got completely crucified when I bought a new truck.

I didn't even really buy a new truck.

The insurance paid out my tundra and I actually got more money than when I bought it for and got a new truck.

I got crucified over getting.

Using my charity's money to buy a new truck, which we never even, never cross lines at all.

Yeah, it's like, here's all right, I90.

Like we can in nine years.

You didn't take a salary.

And so then now you're saying all this about churches.

And it's, it's mind blowing to me because us, as this little veteran charity would try to everything by the teeth, show everybody full transparency.

Here's our taxes.

People.

We wouldn't even.

We people wouldn't even ask.

We would just post them every year or we just put them on our website just for full transparency.

Because you can't question obviously, you know, being a vet, nobody hates a successful veteran more than a veteran.

And so that was always the hate that I got from the veteran community, like, oh, you're just using this money and it would just kill us because here we are.

Are doing everything we can to just raise money, keep afloat, save veterans lives.

And then at the other side, you're getting absolutely roasted on every.

It was so bad we would get to a point where we wouldn't even post things that we would just have as, as a home and building ourselves as far as personal properties and stuff.

Because we were always so worried about being, living under this magnifying glass of being this charity.

And it was never enough.

No.

Right.

So the interesting part is, is you as, as a, as a, as a secular, you know, veteran, that's how you break out two.

I don't mean to interrupt.

Secular and religious.

Secular, non secular.

Those are your, those are chair.

That's how you would categorize.

Yeah.

So 1.9 million nonprofits in the United States, about 400,000 of those are religious organizations that do not turn a 990 into the IRS.

That status is far easier to get than when you got.

So they created a 14 point checklist.

Some say maybe it was the CIA created a four point checklist.

14 Point checklist.

And that checklist was built.

Was based off of Salvation Army.

Yeah.

And then.

So you have a checklist.

So I'll throw one at you right now.

Would you guess that Hell's Angels is a church?

You're telling me the Hells.

Hell's Angels is a church.

And, and they, they check more.

They're more in line with a 14 point checklist than a religious organization.

They are who they say they are.

Which you have to respect.

Respect.

It's not a, it's not, I'm not, it's not an endorsement of morality.

It's just.

But if they're following the checkpoints, they're following the checkpoints.

So technically there's nothing wrong with that.

Do you have a creed?

Do you, do you meet?

Do you have a physical building location?

Do you meet once a month?

Do you have a board of directors, all that kind of stuff.

Right?

They, they, they, they, they check all that.

The Hell's Angels.

Yes.

That's hilarious.

More transparent than Morse than, than a lot of these other organ religious organizations are.

Which is so funny because we would want to immediately jump if you saw a list of religious organizations and you saw Hell's angel, everybody be like, what are they doing on here?

But from what you're saying is they're one, not the most, but they're much more transparent than a majority of churches.

Yes.

That are on that list with them.

Yes.

That's hilarious.

Yeah, it's, it's good for them.

It's mind boggling.

Right.

And again, it's not like it's not a.

Hey, you know what?

Like I, I think they're an awesome organization.

And then it's endorsement, morality.

It's like.

No, it is what it is.

They're a church.

Like they are.

And that's.

Well, I'll tell you what else is a church is the, the Jesus, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints investment arm that's called Ensign Peak.

They have a whole investment arm, the Mormon Church.

Oh yeah.

And they have crazy amount of assets.

So the entire Mormon Church.

When you take a look at the Mormon Church and its temples and its assets and then you go and look at their financial arm, Ensign Peak, today they are blowing through 300 billion in net assets.

They have enough money to buy every team.

If they liquidated, they could buy every team in the NBA twice and still have money left over.

So you're telling me they could damn near end homelessness?

Oh, a hundred percent.

They could end homelessness and then some.

They could, they could, you know, the foster care programs, all that type of stuff.

They absolutely can.

But they donate.

They're in their food drive during.

They do college basketball season.

They do.

They do.

How much did you say the Mormon church was worth?

300, Bill.

300.

And I'll tell you that that number will be a trillion because they hit escape velocity.

They're the best investors, man.

They are phenomenal investors.

And you know why?

It's registered as a church.

So they're not paying, they're not paying the same kind of taxes you and I pay.

They're not, they don't.

They, they have the best situation possible.

They are brilliant businessmen.

I mean, hats off to you, you're a great businessman.

But like, are you really a church though?

No.

No.

Come on, man, you're an investment vehicle.

I've asked this question, why am I in the middle of nowhere, Wyoming?

And I look on my Onx maps and there's a plot Latter Day Saint Church, like in the hundreds of miles from anything in the LDS Church, owns a plot of land right in the middle of where I'm at.

Yeah.

They're one of the largest landowners in the United States.

Several reasons.

One is, is controlling food sources down the road.

Other one is just think about all the AI and the data centers and how valuable land is.

They're building communities.

I believe it's near Orlando.

They're like they've got some plans to build like a city out there.

But they are one of the largest private landowners in the United States.

Make that make sense.

They have a lot of money.

Is it true that they hid the church?

But I want to say maybe the 90s.

I could be.

You'll know this where if you.

Because the Mormon Church has.

They invent.

I don't know how to, I don't know how to word the question.

So the Mormon Church, and correct me if I'm wrong, in, in just trading stocks.

Yeah.

Has well over 100 million in just stocks.

Don't they hide that through another for profit business attached to the Mormon Church?

How does that work?

So Congress, Congress was able to get this bill passed where a lot of religious organizations were pushing it.

It's called conventions or auxiliaries associations of a church.

So the church is already pretty muddy, right?

This concept of like you're not paying taxes, you don't have to turn anything in.

Then what's an auxiliary, a convention and all that.

So they were able to get, but it listed as an auxiliary to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

So therefore they're good.

Now where they got in trouble was, is then they lied thousands of times to the SEC and got like a few million dollar fine.

That would be like you getting a traffic ticket for doing some crazy to lie to the government numerous times like that make that make sense?

None of this makes sense.

But how are they able to get away with this?

Just because it's worded, because of how it's worded in their religious organization and they operate within the sandbox that they're allowed to operate in.

So how does our government not go, oh, okay, okay, whoa, whoa, whoa, here's the Mormon Church.

No, like this is, this has gone too far.

This is, this is no longer a church.

This is a trillion dollar, soon to be trillion dollar business that are not paying taxes.

How, how is this happening unless our government has obviously their hand in it?

That's the only thing that would make sense to me.

So I mean the design of, of Christianity is meant to be an, or an organic, an organism that can flow through systems.

Okay.

When you can put religious organizations in a box, you have a lot more control over them because you can take their tax exempt status away.

So as long as you are, as long as the politicians are getting along with that and you see this very heavily like in the last election, right.

There's this thing called the Johnson Amendment which is if, if, if you are endorsing A candidate from the pulpit or your additional or your or your official role in any way, shape or form, you could lose your tax status, period.

Well, Turning Point USA has an organization called TPUSA Faith Their job, literally word for word from the guy that runs it.

I had a conversation with them, would bring in all these pastors because that was the vote that they needed to win the election for their candidate, who at the time was Trump.

And so Trump becomes president.

And then within a couple months the irs, the Treasury Department puts out a notice that says, hey, we won't come after you.

So okay, that's.

It's before there's big change in life in societies.

My business partner calls it the death rattle.

And this is part of season one where politics will cling on to religion.

Oh for sure.

And that.

And then they'll cram it down your throat.

And you're seeing it now with the Zionist movement, you know, Zionist, Zionist, Zionist, the chosen people.

We need to go to war.

We need to do all this.

So as long as people are playing ball with the politicians,.

All makes sense.

It all makes sense.

But as soon as you betray the politicians, then your toes.

Now also remember this like they're a huge investor, the LDS Church.

I mean I think they're the top 100 stock owner of the top 100 stocks.

I just don't.

It's mind boggling to me because you have this whole generation where we want to.

Billionaires don't need to be billionaires.

And if you're in the fall in the millionaire bracket, you need to be tax more.

But then here you have the LDS Church that's worth hundreds of billions of dollars and nobody even bats an eye at it.

Yeah, no one bats an eye at it.

Meanwhile, they're just stockpiling real estate jets.

I mean the real estate alone, I mean they're able to turn around and sell this to Met or lease it to Meta.

Yeah, all the this, this is the stuff that's so frustrating to me because here we are as taxpayers and I'm over here just grinding out a living and paying the government everything that we earn.

And meanwhile you're able to put missionaries all over the world to just spread your web of money and just sucking everything as much as you can from these poor countries because you're, you're here on Representing God.

So this concept of following the money is powerful.

So if you take a look at the LDS Church and they're imp like their employee, they're your normal employees and the people that are dedicating and the missionaries and all, they're not, they're not part of that money.

No, they're.

They're not.

In fact, they're worker bees to it.

They're worker bees, but then they also have to pay their 10% for sure.

And when you go into following the money, right, hey, we're building a new temple.

Well, who, who's going to get those contracts?

Another Mormon contract.

Another Mormon, you know, a Mormon builder.

And that money just flows through.

We're building communities, we're buying farmland, we're in the farming business.

We're doing all that.

But it's no outsiders.

Outsiders.

Not necessarily very like on, on the minority, for sure.

I had a guy reach out recently.

They're building a big temple in eastern Idaho.

Yeah.

And he goes, dude, the amount of stuff that we're finding out, we're one of the only non Mormon contractors.

He goes, it is the most bizarre project we've ever worked on how the money flow.

I'm trying to get him on, but he's like, dude, it'll out my company that I'm with.

He's like, I'm just a worker.

But he's like, it's insane.

He's like, this is the most demonic Mason cult that we've ever been a part of.

He's like, we're just building it.

He's like.

And so he.

But he.

The fact that some random listener reached out was like, you, you should see what's going on here.

I've preached it for years because I've.

I know guys that have gotten in trouble in the hunting industry that are, that are LDS and they were able to use the LDS's attorneys to get themselves out of poaching charges.

Okay.

Several times.

Yeah.

And this is factual stuff.

Like there's a whole, like a bunch of us have watched this, these guys that get all these poaching charges and then clear as day done dead the rights.

And then all of a sudden now they have the Mormon LDS Church and lawyers backing them and they get out of everything.

It's like this, it's very cultish to me.

How it's.

They all just.

Everything's pieced together and everything's connected and this person's got a thing for this and, oh, this guy's got this project ready to go and they have this job and these equipment and it's all, all tied.

It is, it is very tied.

So I was going to bring up one point and then I want to tie back into this lawyer thing that you brought up.

Okay, please So I know I'm not crazy.

So I want to say it was 1907, Joseph Smith, not the, not the founder Joseph Smith, but like two generations later.

So it was either grandson or, or great nephew.

One of those, one of those two came out and said, and this is in the docu series, that the LDS Church will come, there will come a day when they will no longer need to require you as a member to, to tithe and pay the legalistic 10%.

They said that.

All right.

And so here we are a hundred some odd years later and they have $300 billion.

Like they don't need to collect another penny and they can operate in perpetuity.

How much are they making off investments alone?

Oh just, I mean it's billions, right?

I mean 300 billion, right?

When I mean, and they're major owners in defense stocks.

So they'll be over here and go like they just up their.

So this is something I haven't shared.

So this is a good one.

So by all means take a look at it because since they are buying publicly traded companies, they do file forms, you know, SEC form.

So there is, you're able to see the stocks that are publicly traded that they're acquiring by the LDS Church.

So like Trump calls a meeting with Hexaf and the defense industrial complex brings in like CEOs of all these different companies like three months before we, we struck Iran, hey, we need you guys to build, build, build, build, build.

Well in that window of that three month period.

And again, I don't know, I can't, I can't concretely say, oh yeah, someone went and told the LDS church.

But like they went in like ramped up, like I believe it was Northrop Grumman specifically ramp that one up.

I mean they own a ton of event stocks.

And then you even watch like when the, when, when the vaccine was out, when the vaccine came out, right?

They, they, there was only Pfizer and maybe Moderna, one other company had vaccines.

So they went out and they were pushing everyone to get the vaccine.

They were pushing it amongst their, their membership.

You know, they were, they weren't given religious exemptions despite that.

There was studies and proof that like, hey, from like 1970s, like abortions, like there was some testing done with that, right?

So you would think that if somebody says hey, I don't want a part of that, I want a religious exemption.

They weren't giving people religious exemptions on it.

And you should like, you should see and I have a post on this on, on, on the Religion, business, Instagram page throughout that two year period of COVID just how they kept investing in Pfizer.

Boom, boom, boom.

They're smart businessmen, but that's what they're, that's what they're doing, right?

I mean they're, they're phenomenal businessmen.

They ride the waves.

Whether it's war, they'll come out and say they don't agree with war.

But if you don't agree with the war, then why are you, then why are you continuously buying the weapon that's not in the weapon systems?

It's 100 a business.

There's no religion, there's no God, there's nothing tied to that.

It's a hundred percent of business.

Yeah.

Lying to people to believe into them.

Praying off of the innocence, the ignorant, whatever the emotions, the tithe and tithe and tithe, but meanwhile they're at the top just laughing their asses off.

Can I ask you kind of an off topic question since you're buried into religion and this is just for me.

Don't come at me, this is just a question.

I personally feel the Jewish religion in Mormon are.

There's really no difference to me except for names of how it's structured, the corruption, how they're tied into everything.

They have their hands in everything.

Is there a difference?

And they love Solomon.

We won't even get into the kids and that's, that'll be season two.

Why is there so many similarities between Judaism and Mormonism?

There's no there.

I, I told.

If you took away the titles and laid out their beliefs and how the, the church is structured, why is there no difference?

So they'll, the first thing they'd say is Mormons are followers of Christ, right?

Yes.

So like taking all that aside, I mean if you think about the concept of kingdom building and the desires of like this, like Solomon is a very interesting character in the Bible.

Right.

I mean he asked God for wisdom, he got it.

He had 700 wives, 300 concubines, he had all the money in the world, could get anybody he wanted and had all that power.

That's a very attractive thing for the flesh.

Absolutely.

And so, and then they, they, they, they.

But what they, they leave out is, is that he was turning his back on God the entire time.

100.

Now when you get into Ecclesiastes and you, and you read a lot of his wisdom stories, you can see that, that he's obviously talking about some of his own faults in there and trying to share that wisdom with people.

But I just Think that it is.

It is organizations and groups of people who have that desire to want to be like Solomon and it's idolatry.

That's what it is.

Is it just a natural occurrence or evolution of just who we are as humans to be put in a position of a church?

And then everything's going, and then all of a sudden, maybe you could bring in more members by expanding this and expanding this.

And then before you know it, we need to build a whole separate department on.

And then now we need to add children's ministry.

Then we're going to add teen nights.

And you hit the nail on the head.

Is that the.

That's the only thing that.

Trying to kind of make sense for me is how all of these churches eventually end up in this.

This spot.

But how do we.

How do.

From your guys's research, how do we get here?

How do we get to hundreds of millions of dollars, trillions and billions of dollars being.

I don't want to say embezzled, but moved around, invested in and all this.

Stuff off Every dollar actually ever leaves the institutional walls for outside impact.

Hold on, say that again.

Six cents out of every dollar leaves the institutional walls for global impact.

What institutional walls?

All the institutional walls of the religious organizations.

Meaning, like, hey, we're going to.

We're going to be.

The money's going to leave our institution and we're going to be helping other people out outside of these walls.

And that's just institutions.

That's not category.

Like, that's religious, just religious.

You're saying six cents out of a dollar, if I donate to a religious church is making it outside of the walls to make an impact in community building wells, whatever it may be.

And also 6%, a little north of 6%, is stolen internally by church staff.

25% Goes to buildings, 44% goes to salaries and overhead.

So when you just look at that business and you go, hey, how do we get here?

Well, what you described is called the religious economic theory.

So you start off with good intentions, right?

You and I have two.

You and I start churches off.

You're two years ahead of me, you're down the road.

And I look at your business, your church, it's a business, this organization.

And I see that you've got a charming pastor and you have coffee and you have great sound, right?

And that's gotten you some people in.

Well, I'm like, dude, if I'm going to compete with Bam, then guess what?

I now need to have, like a coffee bar and I need to have A better childcare system.

So then what do I have to do to do that?

I have to go raise money.

And how do I raise money?

Well, I'm going to take some stuff from scripture and then I'm going to do that.

I'm going to look at what other pastors have done.

They'll come up with this tithing concept.

You know, in the Old Testament, the tithing was agriculture and grain and was related to land God gave them.

It had nothing to do with, you know, your W2.

And so.

And this is.

And this.

Oh, you're against giving?

No, I'm all for giving.

Give generously.

And you know what, Pastor X?

If you've built a 20 million dollar real estate portfolio off of your.

Off of your donor's money, and they know that and they're cool with it and they continue to give.

Man, that's not.

That.

That's.

That's great.

That's.

That's awesome.

Good for you guys.

But people need to know how that money's being spent for sure.

So people come in with great intentions.

Good intentions pave the way to hell.

And then they start having to compete.

They start having to compete.

And every day that they compete, that message, original message from Christ, slowly shifts away.

What was that?

The what paves the way to hell?

Good intentions paves the way to hell.

Good intentions pave the way to hell.

I've never heard that before.

Yeah, because Christ says, pick up your cross and follow me.

That's a daily thing.

Yes.

We do good at it.

Some days.

Some days we don't do so good at it.

But that's a daily call.

This concept of like, I came in with good intentions.

Well, you may have come in with good intentions, but are you picking up your cross today and following Christ?

Because guess what?

If you're manipulating his word to get money to come into your pocket, there is no way on earth, bro, that you have the Holy Spirit in you.

There's no way.

Thank you.

Okay.

Thank you.

There's no way you have another spirit in you.

And it's not.

Not the truth, the spirit of truth.

It's not.

It's not God, it's not Yahweh, it's not Christ, Yeshua, Jesus, whatever it is, it's not that.

It is, you know, this concept of, you know, that people go off with.

With.

Yeah, I mean, the word Mason is always a very dangerous word to talk about.

Like it's a very secret type of society and stuff like that.

But they're obsessed with Solomon.

They're Obsessed with the temple.

The LDS church is as well too.

For sure.

There's some affiliation there.

100.

You can't even deny that.

That is just wild to me.

That 6%.

I'm still stuck on that.

And here we are.

Ty.

I mean, you saw the Drew ski skit, right?

Yeah.

He's hanging.

He's got his red.

The hate that he got from that.

I mean, he's getting hate now over the whole.

Erica, Erica Kirk.

Erica Kirk 1.

But he did the word.

He roasted all those mega church pastors and got crucified on it.

But nothing that he said was wrong in it.

It was everything.

I mean, granted, he spun up the comedian side of it, but if your pastor's walking out wearing Cartier and Louis.

Louis Vuitton and ask some questions.

This pastor in Dallas.

So one of the inspirations for the religion business season one is Matthew 25.

It's like 31 through 46, where he's talking about.

He's talking about like, I was sick in the hospital.

I was sick.

I was in prison.

I was thirsty.

I was naked.

The stranger, the prisoner and all that.

And Christ is talking about who we need to help.

Because if you help those people, you're to the least of these that you do that to.

You're doing it for.

You're doing it to me.

And so those are the people that you really need to be loving on and taken care of, because they're the ones in society that just get for sure, just as you know from.

From your work that you've done.

And so this, this, this, this church in Dallas, the pastor, this guy, literally, they have their welcome committee staff trained.

Okay?

These are the brands, all right?

If they're wearing, you know, anything Lululemon or above, look for Prada, look for Gucci bags and all that.

That's who you go greet.

So if you look poor or you look sick or you look marginalized, they ain't gonna greet you.

This is a pat.

This is a church in Texas.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then guess what?

Come fill this information card out.

Then they take your address to look up to see what your home's worth worth.

And then if your home's worth over a million bucks, you get a phone call from the pastor.

Not the sick, not the marginalized, not the stranger.

Single mom.

Not the single mom.

No.

Some dad that's struggling, needs help.

No, it's all about money.

Gucci purse on.

It's all about money.

So if that is your mo, you don't have the Holy Spirit Op, you're not operating with that because Devil.

That is the devil.

100% That's the devil.

Yeah.

And I, that was one of those things that took me a long time to, to grasp was the devil will give you everything you want.

Yeah.

I mean, he did that to Christ right after, after 40 days of going to the wilderness.

Right?

Like, hey, that could all, that could all be yours.

And that's where I feel so many people just.

We just trust.

Oh, he's a pastor.

And he's a man.

Flawed, flawed man.

And we're all flawed man.

And I think finite minds, we sin every day.

Yeah.

I, I, I.

There's a question that your listeners to, to, to really think about.

Is your faith your own?

Mine is.

Yours is.

I'll die on that.

And that's one.

I'm glad you asked that question.

And let's dig into this, because is your faith your own?

I actually just got kind of roasted on this because I did a poll on my social and somebody asked how do I connect with other, you know, with the congregation in the church?

And I'm really brutally honest, and I said, I don't go to church to congregate.

I don't go to church to be in groups.

I go to church to hear the message.

But my faith, my religion, which I don't even like religion, it's a relationship between me and God.

That's, that's mine.

Because look at how many pastors, priests, bishops, deacons, are all getting caught with child pornography and all the other things that are going on in life.

Because they're no different than me and they're no different than you.

But we put a title on these people, so how can I trust fully?

Trust man.

I don't care on the position or title, but I could always trust God.

God.

That's where I, I feel.

I, I don't agree with a lot of Christians because I feel that their faith is based off of what they're told at church.

And that's been a big thing for my wife.

She's.

It's between you and God.

It's your journey.

Your journey.

You need to, you need to feel it.

I can, I listen to a pastor and I've talked about on the show, every time we go to ours, I, I swear to God, they got a spotlight and they ping and they zoom it right in like this, just.

And I'm sweating and I'm like, oh, God, he knew what I know.

That's what I'm thinking.

Like, how does this dude know what I'VE been going through, you know.

Yeah.

He's talking to me.

I'm human, right?

Yeah.

I can just feel the sweat rolling down.

So I get that.

But he's not God.

He's not perfect.

He's.

He's.

Okay, cool.

You represent the Creator, but you're not him.

And Adam and Eve.

Excuse my friend.

Everything up for us.

So it's.

That's how my mind works.

So I can't put all my faith in some dude that's just.

He's just preaching from a Bible that he's watching porn.

He's got a drinking addiction.

He's in the drug, whatever it may be, cheating on his wife, whatever the man does.

So.

I love that question.

Sorry, I didn't mean to go on a tangent.

No, I'm glad I'm big into that because that's.

That's how I personally feel.

And I get kind of attacked on it because people are like, you need to have a congregation.

This is.

That's the whole.

The whole point of church is community and coming together, which I don't argue any of that.

But I start listening to these people talk, I'm like, my parents are a perfect example.

I don't know how much you get into it, not to get off topic.

The book of Enoch.

Yeah.

In giants.

I can't go to my parents and talk to them about that stuff.

They're old school.

No, no, no.

That doesn't happen.

I mean, there's.

There's parts of it in Genesis that, that, that allude to, you know, the.

Angels, fallen angels, and.

And I personally feel that fallen angels are what a lot of our religions are based off of the whole.

Anyways, that's a whole other episode we could probably do.

So that's where I'm like, okay, I. I need.

I need this.

I need me and you, God, that these are the conversations.

Because ever.

And I guess just the way my mind works and, you know, and I'd love to hear your side of it.

That everybody's at a different stage of their journey as far as being from God conscious to never miss a Sunday in the last 35 years.

Yeah.

I can't relate to everybody, but I could always relate to God.

I could always talk to him.

I could always ask him my questions.

I could lay it all out to him and not be judged.

Right.

That.

So when you ask that question, that's.

That's my mindset behind it.

It.

I love it, man.

I. I don't know if it's right or wrong.

That's just How I feel.

So.

So I'm gonna, I'm gonna go off on.

On a couple things here.

So the first thing I'll say is, is this is a very interesting study.

So Willow Creek is a massive church in Illinois.

Okay.

Huge megachurch.

Okay.

They hired Stanford several years ago to do a case study for them.

Deep dive on how can we help increase one's faith.

How does one's faith get increased?

That's a great question.

It's a phenomenal question.

And so let's say you're the business owner of this organization.

Everything they got told is not in favor of the business.

It's antithetical to the business.

Oh.

So it went against everything that they were hoping it would go right.

Because it didn't feed the business.

So the top two things, reading your Bible alone and praying alone.

Really?

Yep.

She's.

She is huge on solitude.

You need that because where does God.

That's how you hear God now.

Now, can God meet you in the wild chaos?

Of course he can.

But when you're sitting by yourself and you're praying to your father and you're reading the Bible, it is a living word and things become alive and they come into your life.

Okay, and then, and then, and then the next argument that people say, oh, because you, you've, you've heard, you, you've gotten this too.

Like, oh, you're against the congregation coming together.

You're against this.

Yeah.

No, but I'm going to tell you that when I was a president of a company and we'd have our executive huddles, the very first thing we would tell people is, is you are here.

This is an expensive meeting.

All of us are coming together, an executive team, away from the day to day.

And you are here to be a contributor of content, not a consumer of content.

So how can I add value to a small group setting?

How can I add any value to your, your listeners or you or your daughter at all if I'm not talking to God and knowing what the Holy Spirit's telling me?

And I'm having that discernment and I don't know his word.

So 13% of the people have actually read the Bible cover to cover.

That's it.

Yeah, 13%.

So how that.

But so this over reliance on what a pastor says.

So you need to know to protect yourself, too.

Like, how does one know they're not getting duped by their pastor, that their pastor's not telling them?

A bunch of baloney.

You're telling me on a Sunday morning, I go to Our mega church here.

13 Of the people sitting there have read the Bible from, from page, sorry, cover.

Cover.

Dang, that's interesting.

Yeah.

And, and, and, and, and, and so, you know, and I used to fall in that bucket because I used to read, you know what, I'm just going to read the New Testament.

All right.

Then I'll go back and read chunks or you know, a lot of those 365 day Bibles.

They'll go couple, couple passages of Old Testament, one passage of New.

Right.

And so, but you, so the Bible is written for us, not to us.

And the Bible is the greatest history book of all time.

So you need to read it from COVID to cover because that's how God reveals himself throughout it in history and in understanding the context.

Because I could pull any verse out and just shoot it to you.

And if you don't know the context behind it, I can completely manipulate you 100%.

And that happens all the time.

And it's so, so you saying the Bible is the greatest history book ever written and love story, I mean just the whole everything in it.

What's so fascinating about that statement to me is, you know, me being a baby Christian, getting back into it, the wife will be like, whoa, Jebediah was the son of Joseph.

And then still start breaking it down.

And I'm like, wait, what?

Like, and then eventually he had Noah, had all these sons and then she starts expanding it and she's like, babe, it's all here.

Yeah, that's where I, I, I,.

I.

Can't wait to be educated fully on the Bible so I can start just at people, like not just challenging them because there's so many things you're like, dude, no.

The flood.

No.

And then you start looking back and you start finding these things in the Bible and it's like, how is this documented?

This lines up with this, that this dates match this, this many years ago, this happened in these droughts and rain fire on.

Yeah.

And then you're going back to date today, 2026, you can go back and find a lot of this historical evidence that's in the Bible.

Yeah.

But then people that never happened.

You're like actually.

And then you start breaking it down and how these pieces and I think.

That's one of the most accurate history book of all time.

But the problem is the pieces to this puzzle have just been thrown everywhere.

So now I feel like me as a little Christian, like, okay, here's a corner piece.

All right, well I'll go on my journey.

Oh, here's this random color.

I don't know where that's going to go.

We're going to put it right here.

Like that's me in the Bible.

That's the only way I could describe it is this thousand piece puzzle that has been thrown to the winds.

And now I'm spending my whole life walking around aimlessly picking up chapters and scriptures and putting them on this thing.

So maybe one day I'll have this complete Bible, you know, puzzle put together.

But that's, that's where it's just this, it's this crazy journey and then all of a sudden you'll find this bit of information out and you're like, oh my God, that makes sense.

Yeah.

And it's here in the history books.

It's, it's, it's, it's right, it's right there.

One of the concepts on why people wrestle with this as a faith my own, is because naturally we abdicate all of our, our roles.

That's just the way society's classically conditioned us, right?

So we're not going to teach our children the word of God because I don't know the word of God myself that well either.

And no one really taught me that at home.

So guess what?

I'm just gonna send them to Sunday school.

But the 20 year old Sunday school teacher knows more than me.

That's a good question to ask yourself.

Right?

And the same thing you, you and your wife did an amazing job making a decision to homeschool your children.

Right?

Because we abdicate all of our roles.

So I'll tell you, my kids are in, my kids are in school, my kids play sports.

I'm a single father, so I'd like.

But when I look at this and this is conversations their mother and I have often, it's like, like I'm struggling to find time to parent our children.

They wake up at six something in the morning, they go to school, they have sports after school, they finally get home around 6, 30, 7 o'.

Clock.

Then they have two hours of homework, which I think homework is absolute garbage.

It's the dumbest thing ever.

It's the dumbest thing ever.

And then God forbid they have a little bit of a social life.

I want to talk to a few friends.

Where's my time in there to talk about God?

Where is my time for us to sit down together?

Like you're constantly competing with all these, all these, all these things.

But going back to this, this concept that, you know, we abdicate our roles out and the business model of church and when you brought up the parallels between LDS and Jewish, the Jewish faith, like those, those concepts, and even Christian Zionism, it's one foot in the Old Testament.

So like the Bible is written and things get fulfilled.

It doesn't mean it's not true, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

It didn't mean that it wasn't a law, but Christ fulfilled that.

So my business partner is a brilliant guy and you know, he'll say, like, it's like this, right?

Like, you hire me to do some lawn maintenance for you, right?

Okay.

And you're like, hey, trend the trees, edge the lawn, mow the grass.

All right?

Those three things, you pay me 100 bucks, all right?

It's finished.

It is finished.

Christ said it is finished.

The veil tore.

The veil tore.

When you look at like the tabernacle, it was broken up into three things, right?

So in the temple, the veil tore, which was the entry into the holies of holies, which the high priest would go in once a year for the forgiveness of sins, right?

It is finished.

We no longer have to go through, man.

We no longer have to go through an institution.

We have a relationship with the Father through the way, the truth and the life.

The only way to the Father, which is Christ, it's been fulfilled.

So this concept of I would keep showing back up at your house and going, hey man, I need to do this and that, but you're not going to pay me for it.

But like, I, I keep coming back to achieve the same tasks and do the same things that were already fulfilled.

Why would I, why would I continue to do that?

Well, it's a hell of a business model, right?

You need, man, you know, I'll hear, I've heard a pastor say, you know, we're kind of like, there's different priesthood.

So there's the Levitical, Aaronic, Aaronic type priesthood, which was all based on the tabernacle, the cross that was, it was a foreshadow of what was to come, which was the cross.

If you lay across, like on the tabernacle, it's a very like, eye opening.

Oh, really?

Eye opening thing.

I haven't seen that.

And Christ fulfilled all of that.

We no longer need to, you know, do the, the sacrificing.

We no longer need to do any of those things because Christ fulfilled it.

So it's a slap in the face to our Messiah that we keep like, wanting to like go do these Old Testament things, things when he fulfilled it.

So, like, you're either a follower of Christ or you got one foot here and one foot here because it's very convenient to your business model and your political agenda.

And that's where we're at right now in society.

And it's messed up.

This is a fascinating one.

Yeah.

There's so many layers to it.

Tons.

And there's so much just.

It's.

It's sad for me.

Right.

Because I'm in this new journey and I just want to believe and I want to feel and I, I don't have any doubt in my mind.

I would die on that hill that God sent his son down, walked this earth, died for our sins.

No doubt in my mind.

The first episode in next season that strop in the summer is, is called Operation Millstone.

Concept in the Bible where.

Oh, tight around your neck.

Yeah, It's a better, better option.

Yeah.

Don't mess with the kids.

Right.

If anyone messes with the children, you're better off putting millstone around your neck.

And so our children are being abused left and right.

Our children are so vulnerable out there in this world.

And Internet Crimes Against Children's Task Force, which is the enforcement, law enforcement agency in the United States that monitors all the stuff that's on the Internet, all the exploitation, all stuff that's going on in the chat rooms, all the child sex abuse materials that's floating around, the heat maps on these things are out of control.

The amount of child pornography that's being distributed and downloaded daily is astronomical.

To the point that because like in Orange county, they have a 0.1% response rate on leads that come in at the ICACs.

There's so much.

But yet this organization across the United States, I think there's like 60, 61 offices, 61, you know, chapters, departments of it.

They get funded under $40 million a year, but yet we give $75 billion to overseas countries.

Wait, wait, $40 million gets allocated to help protect children online?

Correct.

From our government to these organizations that are helping fight this.

40 Million.

Yeah.

And we're giving billions, 75 billion just this past year overseas to foreign countries.

Do you truly feel our churches and government give a absolute about our children?

The evidence overwhelmingly says they do not.

Because you have the funds.

Because you have the funds.

Why?

Why?

This is one of those things where I'm gonna make it make sense.

If I'm some pastor of some mega church and I got 80 million in the bank account, which probably is not a big number for these mega churches.

As a Christian, as a father, as a man with integrity, why are we not Helping fund these resources or helping build new resources to help our children that nobody else is doing.

But instead, the LDS Church has hundreds of billions of dollars trading hundreds of millions of dollars on the stocks every day and are at the snap of a finger.

We could have every resource built.

You have to have the Holy Spirit.

I believe because the body of Christ, you're not going to rise up.

That.

So LDS is going to help me start slapping some of these people because this is just me.

It's.

It's.

This is where I'm so torn of trying to get into these groups and.

And just being real.

We're just chaos, bro.

Real conversation.

This is why I can't connect with most Christians because I just.

They.

They don't.

They can't fight.

They're not gonna.

Not in a physical way, but they're.

You're gonna sit here and just go through the motions and read your hymns and go to your Bible and then you leave.

What are you.

Nobody's doing anything.

That's why I open up my platform.

It's the least I could do to let people talk about these problems, to educate people.

Yeah.

Along with some other things we're doing on site.

But it's like, you got these churches and you have resources and I'm not trying to sound like an here.

I would rather my church be helping kids in our community that are starving, being abused, being trafficked, being used as content on the Internet.

Yeah.

Than building a well In Africa that's $0.06 out of a dollar is going to go and help support.

So a lot of these organizations.

My.

Wrong.

No, you're 100.

Right on.

I just feel like.

Because I'm usually the brash that comes off and not a lot of people, like, we.

We need it.

But that's how my mind is.

Like, oh, hey, please.

We're raising funds to go and build a church in Papua New Guinea.

I'm like, I.

No offense.

I don't care.

Yeah.

I have.

There's kids that I'm financially supporting that I don't even know who these kids are, but I've seen them.

And we're.

We're doing.

We're putting money out of our own pocket to help on our community.

Yeah.

I don't care about a church overseas.

Why.

Why aren't our churches.

Yeah.

Focusing on our community, which I know they do.

It's all about community.

Right.

On paper.

Correct me if I'm wrong, the United States is one of the largest consumers and producers of child pornography.

The largest.

Yeah.

If my church was like, hey, guys, we're going to be done building wells in Papua New guinea for the next three years, and we're going to be tidying.

And all of this is going to help the Internet problem and help educate parents, help educate children, and help build task force to go after.

I'd be like, sign me up.

Let's go.

Okay, where do I.

Where do I tithe at this point?

Like, why are we not doing this?

So when you.

When you talk about the.

The Papua New guinea or the kids in Africa type thing, right?

So in season one, the religion business goes to Uganda, okay?

And we met with several great nonprofits that were.

That.

That were there that are doing really, really good work, right?

One of them shared with us that a church, United States, reached out to them.

Hey, I want to help you out.

They went and raised half a million dollars.

They didn't get one penny.

The people in.

The people in Uganda raised a half.

A million dollars, right?

So they asked for the kids photos, marketing collateral.

Tell us your story.

Right?

Because nothing sells better than a.

Than a, you know, the starving kid.

With flies on us.

Yeah, exactly.

That sells for.

Sells, right?

Because they can raise money there.

And who.

Who you.

Who's gonna track down that?

It's.

That it becomes even murkier, right?

So these are these loopholes where just.

People just, for 10 cents a day, you can sponsor little Jimmy in Africa.

And not to say that there's not people that are actually doing that and they're legit, for sure.

I'm not throwing shade on it.

Yeah.

Just basic questions like, why is that?

Is that who we've been trained as, as a society?

Because are we the problem?

Because we're so blessed in America, we have life so good, right?

Like, define a poor person.

In America, they have an iPhone 17 still.

They have TVs in their house.

You know, that kind of.

That.

That kind of stuff, right?

Whereas this.

This poor kid, right?

It's like 30 kids live.

Meanwhile, we have children being trafficked like crazy in the United States States, being abused in silence in institutions.

You know, these kids, they sign.

They're.

They have, you know, they.

They file a civil suit or whatever.

They settle with the church or the religious institution or the camp or whatever.

They go under NDA and they can never talk about it again.

So we've been working with Trey's, The Trey's Law movement, which in now, Alabama, Texas, in Missouri, and it's being filed in several other states, but we were there in DC for it.

For it to go federal.

What is this that you can.

Whether a kid signs an NDA or not from abuse.

Like, that kid doesn't have to stay silent.

No kid should be.

Have to stay silent.

That's what that means.

And it goes retro.

So I don't care if you signed one 20 or 30 years ago, because it goes.

It goes retro, because that's huge.

Our dear friend Elizabeth Phillips, her brother Trey Carlock, was abused at Camp Canacuck for years.

That's been a hot one lately.

That's been a hot one lately, man.

And.

And he felt like he couldn't talk about it because he was under an NDA and stuff, and he had a hard time even, like, he felt like he was wrong even speaking to his therapist about it.

And a lot of, like, data and statistics is out there on this type of stuff.

And.

And then, you know, he ended up killing himself when he was 28.

And so this law is named after him.

Okay.

And they mess with the wrong dude sister, man, because she is on it, bro.

She is.

She's a force.

She's not.

She ain't stopping at all.

And she's been awesome to.

Awesome to work with, and she's a huge part of our.

Our first episode.

But, like, Kanaka, for example, I mean, allegedly, right?

It was on Sean.

Ryan mentioned the comment about over a thousand kids and that, you know, Sean was saying, you've been silencing them with NDAs, and they're like, we don't never put anyone to enter NDAs.

And Nathan came out, my business partner, and was like, hey, yeah, I noticed that, you know, you're threatening, you know, threaten Sean with a lawsuit and saying, there's no NDAs.

I have four on me right now in my car because we've interviewed tons of the victims.

Tons.

And then they were like, oh, well, we only had one bad apple.

So they had one guy as the complete fall guy for everything, for sure.

But go to facts about CanacUK.

Go to factsaboutcanacock.org It's a website, and.

That's a religious summer.

It's a church camp.

Church.

Yes.

Yes.

And it is a massive enterprise.

We had a woman have one in Haiti.

Yeah.

Oh, it's a chain.

Oh, it's a chain.

They even have one just for African American kids.

And they have like, oh, my God, dude, the corruption.

It's just.

It's so blatant.

It's so blatant that they don't even hide it anymore.

Yeah.

So.

So this goes back to, like, let's go back to the intent of why?

Because you were bringing up this concept.

Because they can hide behind the law.

That's why.

It's blatant.

But they pretend like they're hiding behind God.

Well, you can't hide behind God.

God's light.

You hide him.

You hide behind the law.

So everything is permissible, but not everything's edifying.

It might be legal, but it's not edifying.

So it's legal for you to do this, but doesn't mean that it's.

That it's edifying.

Absolutely not.

It's not.

Right.

I tell people this all the time.

I'm like, hey, you know, I'll throw out like a draw comparison.

Well, they're not doing anything illegal.

I'm like, okay, all right, so let me ask you a question.

Is it illegal for, for you as a married man to go to Vegas, have a night out with a, with, with a prostitute, get high and get hammered?

Illegal?

No.

I can do all that.

Right, but is it edifying?

Absolutely not.

Is it the right thing to do?

Absolutely not.

So when you're, when you're like a religious person saying that you're hiding like you're, you're walking with God, but you're not, dude, God is light.

You're not walking with God.

You're hiding behind a law.

And that law, when you go back to 1913, Congress, Congress's intent behind this was this special group is not going to pay taxes because they are going to provide for the local social capital.

They're going to provide an environment here that will enable human flourishing.

So what do you have?

What do you have now?

We have $40 trillion in debt, $39 trillion in debt.

As a government, you have one side of the aisle, a bunch of like, especially like on, on the, on the, on the, on the more Democrat side where they're like, we need to raise taxes so that we can help more people.

All right?

The government helping people is not a two month or three month thing.

You're enabling people over a period of time.

Right.

It's the greatest oxymoron to me ever.

So we want to raise taxes.

Meanwhile, you have a trillion dollars flowing in from individual donors to these organizations who are designed and were meant to be filling that gap in society to be taking care of the homeless, the sick, the poor, the marginalized, all of those that Christ talked about.

And instead those organizations, a lot of them are just inuring themselves.

And then the government is just spending it on fraud, waste, abuse also, and a bunch of crap and endless wars and all this Other stuff.

So meanwhile we got 40 trillion in debt and then you have inurement going on here and then the people that need the help and support the most are the ones that are suffering.

Yet we're like hey let's go, let's go fight a war.

The same concept.

You're like why?

Why the kids in Africa versus the kids here?

It's the same concept.

That's a very sexy thing to go solve.

We're going overseas, right?

In business.

What?

Like when you say I'm an international businessman that has a little bit more of a thing than like I do business locally for sure.

Everyone wants to go on an airplane, go on to another world and go do stuff there.

So we're spending all this money overseas but we're not taking care of our own.

And and then we're like, like oh well it's the government's responsibility.

Well no, it's the non profit responsibility actually.

Us, the body of Christ.

The people who are donating all this money and paying all these taxes.

We need to step up and we need to start putting our army together to go solve these problems for sure.

We just start pushing on these, these establishments, these churches and legislatures too.

Right.

I don't think anything will ever change in our personally I and I honestly don't think it'll ever change in the churches just because they're so embedded the establishment of the government.

Even though the we the people should be bigger than the government.

Cool.

Let's say right now sounds great.

Let's say right now we swipe everybody in Congress.

Trump all the con everybody swipe them all and we bring in all these new people that were like hey this guy.

You're gonna do great Chris, you're, you're going to be president.

We're people.

It's the establishment of how deep rooted it is and pure evil to me that those people event are just going to fall right back into it.

How?

Because of the.

They're so.

Look at government contracts.

How many of these politicians are tied into these government contracts?

The picture is so big and so vast that we stretch around the world as far as the establishment of the government and then right underneath it.

Government, churches, religions.

To me, yeah.

That were so deep rooted in this just the body of these establishments.

They'll never change.

It's been happening for hundreds of years.

I don't know.

I don't, I don't have a solution for it besides.

But the people outside of that we have to step up 100.

But look how, look how comfortable we Are.

Look how lazy we are.

We have.

We could scroll.

We don't even have to leave our home to get groceries and.

And to do anything anymore.

Everybody's a social justice warrior online.

How, How.

Where does this movement start?

That.

That's my thing.

That's my big frustration right now.

That's why I'm like, unplugging just from everything.

Because you talk to these people like, oh, did you see what Trump did this?

I'm like, bro, you're still.

You still think there's a side.

Like, that's the phase of my life.

I'm in the Democrats.

I'm like.

I'm like, listen, listen, buddy, I'm over.

If we can't agree, I'm going.

I go, just.

This is what I tell people.

Just go watch one of last Trump's inauguration speech or any of these big speeches where they, you know, the House and it's divided in the aisle.

And you Democrats and the Republicans and all the Democrats or all the Republicans are cheering because this woman got murdered by an illegal.

And now they're going to name a state park after.

And all the Democrats are sitting there pissed off.

Nobody could come to an agreement on anything except for Israel.

I go, who?

You get me started there.

I'm like, actually, do, please.

The fact.

The fact that the only thing our government could completely come together and support is protecting Israel, I'm like.

Like that.

That meme.

Really?

Yeah.

You sure about that, by the way?

You know, it's like one of those things to me.

So we're for that.

Just rooted in evil and corruption and power and money from government churches, which I feel are run exactly the same.

It's just our government's just a bigger scale of it.

Yeah.

And better at hiding through our national reserve and all this, the Fort Knox and the gold and all that, which is.

I think it's all a lie.

That's where.

How do we make this change if we the people are too lazy to stand up and fight it?

Because then you look at the Christians, these Zionists supporting Christians that are like, we need to support Israel.

I'm like, I.

We're just so divided.

How do we bring these people together to fight this?

And obviously, God's remnant, man.

Freaking a, bro.

Yeah.

And you're part of that, and I'm part of that.

And so our piece of it is using the filmmaking to explore major loopholes and problems and then bringing together a solution.

So the solution for the season so people can go on Broken Shepherds right now.

But, like, we're going to have a specific mission within operate which is Operation Millstone, which is we're going to get about 10 to 12 non profits that are in the child trafficking people that raise money to give the ICACs because these ICACs, these that I was telling you about earlier, they don't have the best forensic computers that they need.

Yeah, they don't have the AI technology they need.

I'll give you an example of good AI technology.

A two year old girl, her, she was in CSAM and that went and ripped through the dark web.

When she.

Then an image pops up of her on some Facebook page and she's 12.

They were, she was trafficked.

They were able to identify the 2 year old as that 12 year old.

10 Years later with AI technology they were able to know where she was.

They went and kicked the door down and she was being abused at 12.

So for 10 years she's been captured.

For 10 years she's been living in, in that world and they got her.

So just think about if these people, we had more agents and they had more of this technology.

Like what pisses me off more than anything is all these governors they talk about, oh we're, we're in a state of emergency.

Yeah, we state of emergency.

We have technology.

Give the people the technology they need.

Activate the National Guard and start kicking doors in and go start rescuing children in your own state.

That's what I'm saying, bro.

Like I, I have my mixed takes on, on ICE and how they're conducting things and stuff.

Won't even get into that.

Right.

I've talked about previous episodes.

Who is going to, if you have the National Guard and ICE that is walking up to your house with an iPad going yep, up proof you're coming with us.

I would donate, I would support, I would gear up.

I would be doing everything I could to support that.

Yeah, I feel, I feel like, oh wow, kids can play in their front yard again.

Oh my kid could walk to the park and I don't have to.

All right, I'll come with you.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's the fifth time today.

Yeah.

Because who knows who's gonna drive by 100.

That, that, that, that's what the American people want.

At least for me.

I would rather see, I would rather get pulled over, see some cops harassing some dude because they, oh hey, here's the guy's license plate.

And I mean our systems track everything.

We know every.

That's why I don't roll plates on any of my trucks because I'm One of those conspiracies.

But they had.

They know exactly who you are, where you are at any given time.

You mean to tell me with the technology we have that we cannot be scanning what's good in search?

And then all of a sudden, boom, there's the website.

Here it goes.

We can't.

But we're not doing it.

But instead I'm getting pulled over for window tips.

It.

Yeah, but we got dudes next.

Not next door.

Literally.

I'm not sorry if your neighbors or my neighbors are watching people in the neighborhoods that are registered sex and they're doing this stuff all day, every day.

It's, it's disgust.

It is terrifying.

Of the amount of child pornography that's getting produced here in the United States.

And I'm getting pulled over for window tint, not having license plates on my truck.

I'm just, I can't, I can't support that.

I'm waiting for the first governor to step up, up and say, I'm declaring a state of emergency.

We have a serious pedophile problem.

Aurora, Colorado.

Right.

In Colorado.

That's horrible.

Isn't it horrible there?

Absolutely horrible.

Awful.

And so they didn't want anyone to know how bad their pedophile problem was because no one want to live there.

So they didn't, they weren't doing anything about it.

Well, the city itself.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Are hiding how bad the.

Yes.

That's how, that's how awful this problem really, truly is.

Do you, do you, do you see local municipalities coming out there saying, hey, we had X children missing, y children abused, all that?

Do you?

I don't.

Do you see that?

That's a great question.

We don't see that.

Instead we, we see all this other crap about gasoline prices and all that, which don't get me wrong, that's important.

I'm not saying it's not, but like there's Nothing more important.

Kids 100.

Like you can't take care of kids.

The most vulnerable ones, like most innocent.

The most innocent.

It.

Then what are we doing?

And so, and so our goal is, is to take a lot of these, these nonprofits that are doing good work in that space and that trillion dollar river where all these people, individuals are donating.

You don't have to give 10.

If you want to give your church, give your church.

Be generous.

But like, you don't have to give 10% to anybody.

That is an absolute legalistic thing.

That is not, not what we're supposed to be doing.

Where did the 10% in tithing where did that originate from?

Why is it 10?

I, I grew up my whole life.

My parents grew up super poor family.

Yeah, we 10, 10, 10, 10 my whole life.

Even when my parents had nothing, they still found that 10 God's blessed us.

We're able to pay next year month's bills.

I get that mindset.

My parents I look back at cool.

But where did tiding in 10% when did this.

So the word hiding means, means a tenth and it, it's Old Testament and that's like there.

And that's the whole thing though is there was three ties.

There were three.

There's one that happened every three years.

Okay.

And two that happened that, that were, that were annual.

So basically it's 23.33%.

If you were going to get like really legalistic about tithing, not just 10%, but this was agriculture, it was grain, it was relating to land that God gave the Israelites.

And it was never supposed to be income.

And you know, my church is the actual real storehouse, right?

Not your church, but my church, right?

Like give, like give me 10%.

So probably in the 19, not probably like in the 1900s, right?

Like, like tithing wasn't a big thing in the United States.

But then you start going, hey, what scripture can I use to justify this?

That's how, that's how it came about.

And the LDS Church, I'll give you an example, their old president Nelson, literally, I mean this is in the religion business also.

And we have clips on our social media that telling you why you need a tithe.

You're 10% and he tells you why.

Because you do not want to be removed from God's list of children.

You want to be protected in the day of vengeance.

So you should tithe.

So you're an entrepreneur.

We talked about this earlier, right?

When there's a entrepreneurs find a need that's out there and they fulfill that need.

Because needs based selling is the most powerful one.

There's a problem that needs to get solved, right?

Well, when there is no problem and there's no need, what do you do?

You create one.

So you instill the greatest amount of fear in that member.

There's the worst thing you could say to someone if you don't do this, you're going to be removed from God's list of children who wants to be removed from God's list of children who wants to not be protected in the day of vengeance.

Give the 10%.

Give the 10%.

Just do it.

Even though we don't have it.

Give it, but that's where it comes about.

And then I mean, if they just stuck to the 10%, then there's the.

We're building a new building fund.

We need more than just your 10%.

We're doing an additional offering.

Right?

Oh, hey, we're gonna go give money to that nonprofit in Africa.

You see, these poor little kids, our goal is to send half a million dollars there.

Well then a half a million dollars may or may not end up there.

Meanwhile, you're sitting on 30, 40 million.

Meanwhile you're sitting on all that money and there's all these people, like literally you've got people sleeping outside the, the, the, you know, the church, like on the ground, homeless.

But that's a government's responsibility, right?

That's how it works.

But hey, you have a tax exempt status because you're supposed to be providing this, this gap in society, this concept of local social capital and producing some, an environment for human flourishing.

So I got, I have a question for you.

Because if I'm just a normally everyday guy, I love God, I go to church every day.

I don't want to discourage them from tithing.

But how would you tithe?

Okay, no.

Okay, so I guess that's my question.

Knowing everything you know and have uncovered about the churches and just the establishments as a whole, I don't want to turn people away.

But at the same time they need to know, how would you tithe?

Tithe, knowing what you know now.

So tithing again.

The tithing is this concept of like this, it's, it's, it's a 10, it's a 10 thing.

And I would say, you know, God, this goes back to having an individual relationship with God and trusting what the Holy Spirit's telling you.

Okay.

And okay and right on that.

Instead of I need to like do something that's legalistic, you know, 10 is safe.

I do this, God's gonna bless me.

It's like, like, you know what, God may want you to just give away 2% of your money this year.

God may want you to give away half of it, he may want you to give away 70% of it.

But like what is that?

Is that, is that, is that, is that going to.

And one of the greatest things that's happened that's really hurt society is tax exempt status and tax write offs.

So it's like, oh, I'm going to donate if I, if you help your, your aunt that's in great need, who doesn't have health care and is dying and you're helping her like, that's probably not, she's not a 501C3.

You're not going to get a tax write off for it, but you can give to this organization that is a 501C3 and you get, you get that.

So stop limiting ourselves to where God tells us to give us money based upon whether you're a 501C3 or not.

Right?

There is a single mom out there.

Like, I, I was at a, I hate, like, I don't even like mentioning like, oh, how I, how I help somebody.

But like there was a single mom who had a kid at dinner that like has severe autism.

And the kid was sitting next to me and I had my, my two daughters and three of their friends and we're celebrating my youngest birthday and this kid was like, he was like, he was kicking on me.

He sneezed on me.

He, he was like taking his little, you know, kept going, you know, hey, what is this?

This is.

And I was like this panda bear, right?

And he kept showing me all his little animals and he was putting them in my plate that I'm eating on.

It was just.

And, and God's like, show him love.

Absolutely.

Show her love.

Keep showing her love.

And so God was like, you're gonna buy, like, seriously?

He's like, you're buying her dinner and you're gonna, you're gonna walk out before her.

She's not gonna know you're doing it or anything like that.

And so God tells you, you how to help people, but you have to be willing to listen to God and you have to be willing to spend time alone with God and you have to be willing to read his word.

We rely way too much on.

Well, my pastor says that if you give 10%, like, you know, you're, you know, you're gonna have an abundance in your life.

Yeah, that's like prosperity stuff.

No, actually, you may donate and see nothing.

My parents are a perfect example.

They barely got by their whole, their whole life.

But I mean they'll put that, that we were blessed enough to get to the next month.

So I get it.

But I love your answer and that's how I truly feel.

That's how my wife and I are.

I.

And I've my going back to my parents, they just will not accept because you need to tithe.

Our last trip back, you need to tithe.

You need to be tithing to your church.

I go, mom, why do I need the tithe to the church when I can tie directly to my community?

We just did something really nice for a veteran.

Recently, not even through our charity because charity's retired.

Right.

Found out this vet was looking for something.

I could help him with it.

But I didn't know that my wife had already heard a conversation with this guy and she had already been working on it.

So we finished this conversation.

Two completely different interactions with this vet.

Yeah.

I go to my wife, I'm like, hey, we need to get this.

And she's like, I'm already working on it.

And I'm like, get.

She's like, are you cool with it?

I'm like, I don't get it.

Make it happen.

If, if this little gesture that I can help this veteran that's been through hell be able to learn something that takes his mind off of it.

Okay.

And then the fact that God put that on me and my wife.

Yeah.

Two different conversations, not even in the same building and we both could come to that.

It was, it's a no brainer.

But I don't, I don't need to go to any church and hey, I'm going to donate so you can help these people.

It was just a gesture that, that I felt, hey, if this helps this dude get to through to tomorrow because now he has something to be able to focus on.

Why would I not?

I'm not one of these people that give a homeless person money.

But I pull up with our girls and I want to teach my besides money, how can I help you right now?

Do you need food?

You need clothing?

Do you need blankets?

What do you need?

Because obviously I'm not going to enable an alcoholic or a drug addict.

I can't justify that in my own mind.

But what else can I give you?

But I don't need a church for that.

And that's how I personally tie the knot.

My parents have just my ever forever.

That's not you needs to go through the church.

It needs, you need to 10 to the church.

And I'm like, but I just helped this mom and her children for Christmas and we were these secret Santas and just dumped bags of stuff at their door.

You mean to tell me that's, that's not helping my communities for some single mom that I know that I can, that my kids are able to pick.

Out their gifts but you're not getting a tax write off for it and it's not a church.

It's like God doesn't care about that stuff.

God cares about what, what you're doing is right.

So I would, it'd be a fun question to ask your, your Is it your mom that pushes on that.

It's both.

So mom and dad got a question for you.

Who appointed pastor such and such to be a broker of God's resources?

Well, that would be my dad, since he's the pastor.

Oh yeah?

Yeah.

Who appointed you?

Who appointed me.

Yeah, I see what I'm saying.

That's what I would ask.

Yeah.

That's a tough one.

That's a great question though, because.

But it is.

Well, it's something your dad, Your dad will have to process and figure out as well as well too.

And there are very small.

Like just there he had.

My dad actually preaches on islands in the summertime and because we're in a real.

But your Dad's preaching the town 10.

The 10%, the tithe.

My whole life.

Yeah.

I don't know if he preaches it in his service because it's, it's a super small little community, but they tied to the church even my whole life.

And that's one thing I've just never been able to figure out.

I'm just like, this doesn't make sense to me.

Like if so chat.

So, so it's like so chat.

GPT.

If you go in there and ask about this concept of timing, it actually tells you the, the truth about it.

And it does not say that that's a mandatory thing that you're supposed to do.

So this is, I don't want to say man made tithing, but it's been, it's.

It's been taken out of context justify.

And then there will be some people like Ruslan and you know, with the whole Sean Ryan show and everything.

He's like, I agree with, I agree with.

He agrees with us on that.

It's not a mandatory 10, but 10 is just a good rule.

So it's just kind of like the fence.

His pastor also says that, that you know, we're kind of like the Melkat, not the, the Levitical priesthood.

Right.

Because the Levitical priesthood that was part of it is the, in the.

They were the ones that were taking care of the temple.

Okay.

And they were doing that type of function.

But we're not in that like that's been like fulfilled.

We're the Melchizedek priesthood, which means that Christ is our, our high priest and that we, the, you know, the veil's been torn and that we have direct access to God through following the way the truth and the life.

We no longer need to have a man that, that, that, that is running that interference for us.

Well, what's Interesting to me is the tabernacle right?

And please tell me how I'm wrong in anywhere.

But you had the tabernacle then you had almost a wall.

There was almost three layers to it.

Correct.

Where some people couldn't even like, like.

Outer court, inner court, holies of holies.

So they would look.

So the holy you were, the more holy you were would get you closer to God.

Right.

But then if you weren't holy, you would have to tithe in order to get to the priest to be able to ask your prayers at the priest.

The high priest was the only one that would the high priest go into that.

And God, God's a God of.

A God of order.

So Aaron's sons, because they were in Levitical priesthood, they were, they were responsible.

God had order and how he wanted things like the fire was to come down from heaven.

Well I think they brought the fire themselves and they went out of order with God and he just, he killed them immediately.

Yeah, like that's, he's got order or like if you're, if you, if you weren't of, if you weren't of that tribe, you weren't allowed to, to touch the, the Ark of the Covenant.

Okay.

And it was.

David was coming back and a couple guys touched it to save it from falling that weren't of that and they immediately, they immediately died.

So like all of that, like there was a lot of organization, a lot of order in what happened with the tabernacle, with the Ark of the Covenant and everything.

And then today like again like if we continue to live in that old world and not in the reality of the world, it's a little, it's an insult to Christ for sure.

It is for sure.

What's, what's one of the worst religions that you guys have found so far as far as the type, the money and the mismanagement of it.

So, so the, I mean the LDS Church is the scariest one.

I mean you want to talk about like they're going to be a trillion dollar organization within a decade.

The amount of escape velocity and power that they have, the, the they, they have strict tithing rules and the COVID ups of things that happen there is just disgusting.

So I'll give you.

We were supposed to talk on lawyers earlier.

We didn't touch on that.

So here we go.

So let's say you're abused at, you're calling a report abuse in the church.

Okay.

A woman who was being abused as a child calls him up.

You know who answers the phone when you call to Report an abuse.

Their law firm.

You go straight to the church's law firm.

Straight to the church's law firm.

That's interesting.

So things don't make it to the authorities.

There's no mandatory reporting for child abuse with clergy.

That's another loophole, which is in one of the objectives of our next episode is to get mandatory reporting for clergy.

So if you find out that a kid is being abused at home, you are a mandatory reporter.

You need to let the authorities know of that, period.

Kid.

If your kid, if this kid's being abused at your church, mandatory report.

Instead it's cover up.

Over cover up.

Over cover up.

And we have receipts on this type of stuff.

This is the stuff.

We're just saying there's a lot of satanic ritual abuse that's happened inside the Mormon Church.

Yes.

Oh, for sure.

Lots of very dark, dark things like veils being put over children's faces while they're being abused.

It's not secret, bro.

It's sacred.

Disgustingly like these people.

My favorite line from them, it's not secret, it's sacred.

You sure about that?

Yeah.

And then, you know these, this concept, right, where you've got covering for, for one another.

Right.

I mean, there should be an investigation done in Utah with the Attorney General's office on the amount of stuff that's hit there that, that, that nothing happens with.

Here's a crazy one for you.

We did an episode of the Woman Married in the Mormon Church.

Perfect little Mormon family.

Her husband, her husband's father.

So her father in law is a stake president out in Arkansas.

The church helps his son fund Ozark Trails Academy for Troubled Teens.

Okay.

She finds out her husband's molesting her own children.

Wow.

And the lds.

And so her father in law, which is a stake president, is tied in with the judges, the courts in these small communities.

She ends up losing full custody.

They took her kids from her and gave them to the grandmother that the kids in the statements verbally said that the grandmother or the grandfather and the son all live under the same roof, were molesting them all.

A horrible episode to listen to.

Just because of the.

The very familiar with the story.

Oh, really very.

Loses all her kids.

Yeah.

It's insane.

It's insane.

And.

But the only thing that makes sense to me is that the stake president has poll the church.

The Mormon Church will do whatever it takes.

The hush hush.

Yeah.

And then you're telling me this mom that brings up child abuse from her own husband now lost custody of her own children.

Because she didn't document it properly, but she has.

We, I have a thumb drive with every piece of document on it.

And I'm like, how does that make sense?

Well, it's fascinating that you've, I mean, yeah, because I mean the, the connections that they, that they had politically and the COVID ups and then the removing of people from being on certain registry lists and all sorts of stuff.

People think that we're just making this up.

Like especially the Mormon community, that.

No, no, and I, I get it.

They're, they're not the ones that are involved in it.

They're just you and I going to.

A church within the system.

We're sheep within a system.

But we live in the day of the era of knowledge.

And guys like you are doing God's work and putting this out there.

And that's why I open my platform up to anybody that can talk about any of this type of stuff.

Because this is, I feel, the most, some of the most important bits of knowledge and information that isn't going to be pushed through social and by our government and the news.

Because it's not starving kids in Africa.

It's not a war.

And it's just, it's mind boggling to me that.

And then when you, we air these episodes because, right, you got Sean Ryan, he's just, he's, he's the mega podcast, right?

Yeah, he's good.

And then you got us little starving churches out here that are just scraping by on podcast.

So when we get these stories and then all of a sudden the, the hundreds and hundreds of people that either know I have kids that went to Ozark Academy.

That was what it's called, right?

Yes, it was our trail.

Yeah, it was our trail academy.

I have kids that have reached out that want to come on and talk about their experiences.

So now you have a guy that is now accused of molesting children.

That is these parents are signing over their custody rights when their kids go to these facilities.

Now you have a child predator molester that owns a, a facility for troubled teens, all funded and backed by the Mormon Church.

And then when it all gets outed, everything just goes away and the mom loses custody and everything's hush, no justice.

You cannot sit here and say like, oh dude, no, no, that's not true.

You're just, you're absolutely ignorant if that's the case.

Dark money covers up.

They use the dark money to cover up, up, cover up the sense when.

You have trillions of dollars in your bank account, you can literally look at our Politicians, you can get away with whatever you want and they're not even rich.

They're just taking all.

Stealing our money.

Speaking of politicians, what the hell was Lindsay Graham doing by himself at.

At Disney?

You see that, bro?

I saw a little bit of it.

Did you see that?

I love.

I love that people now you're not safe anymore.

Yeah, like what?

Like he has no kids.

Not married.

Don't get me started on Disney people, bro.

I. I've been saying it for years and my wife's always told me, she's like, you can't put this stuff out.

She's like, a lot of my clients are Disney people because with real estate and stuff.

Yeah.

Don't give a if you're a grown ass adult and Disney is your thing.

You there's.

I something wrong.

I put them in the same category and they can clip this.

They could roast me all they want.

You are on the same shelf as trans.

All the other mentally deranged things that just don't make sense to me.

Disney adults that you're screaming and running to a dressed up character.

Now you have kids.

You have kids and you got Disney kids and all this.

Oh my gosh, do your thing, right?

Yeah, do your thing.

Think.

Jesus.

I didn't.

We had.

We went through a little Disney face.

We weren't Disney people, but I would.

I support her.

We had Disney parents as princesses come to the house for birthdays and.

Right.

Cool.

You're a grown ass adult and you do not have children and you're going to Disneyland.

You are mentally deranged.

In my opinion.

There is something sick about that because you.

That you're.

There's video and they're screaming and running to a dude dressed up as Minnie Mouse.

I had a buddy, I stopped being friends with him because he had season passes to Disney and he had no kids and he would just take dates there.

I'm like, bro, you go to Disneyland.

Oh, man, these women love it.

I'm like, dude, that's.

No, not for me.

Not for me.

So Lindsey Graham's out there.

But like, this is the same guy who allegedly was coaching Netanyahu on how to get Trump to strike Iran.

This is the same guy who loves getting us in wars and he's a closet homosexual.

For sure.

Yeah, for sure.

They all are.

Yeah.

That's where.

When we get into the depth depths of how evil our government is, it's terrifying.

It's terrifying how these people sell their souls.

How the entertainment industry sellers.

And when you.

When I always used to hear People talk about, oh, they sold.

He sold his soul.

It's a thing.

I truly believe it is a thing.

These politicians and that.

You're taking money from APAC and it's funded by the owner.

Now it's.

It's.

I don't want to ever see anybody pass.

But the.

The founder of Only Fans just died of cancer last week or whatever.

This week.

Yeah.

Elon's considering acquiring it and shutting it.

Just shut it down.

But you're telling here that we have our politicians and you're standing there.

I'm representing the people and I'm going to do this for y'.

All.

But you just took money from a pornographic website that helps teenage girls exploit themselves.

And now you're the largest donor to our politicians.

And then our.

Here we are.

We the people.

Yeah, he's great.

And I'm sitting here going, they're taking money from girls that are taking their clothes off on the Internet.

And then they're funding these to sit here and talk and tell us whatever we want.

How do you not fall for this?

I think that entire industry just needs to straight up be legal.

Like, let's quit messing.

Messing with it.

The damage that it does to society and the damage that does to men and the damage it does to women, like risk, reward, like the risk on that and what it does to society is not worth whatever reward that.

That you're.

That you know, that you're getting.

It's all a lot.

This is kind of tmi maybe.

I think she's heard these.

I dated a porn star when I was younger, young and dumb.

Whatever.

I got pulled into the behind the scene, the backside of the industry.

Wow.

As a young Marine, I was like, oh, dude, tell all my boys you.

Thought you were the man.

Oh, brother.

You were literally the devil dog.

Huh?

I'd start going to these parties.

I start getting into the industry side of things.

Wow.

And it was one of these things where.

And I talk about it because I don't porn addiction for me, never.

And this is what I think what rooted it was I saw how those women were treated.

And here I am, young Marie.

I don't give a about anything.

I got no morals, no ethics.

I don't feel anything.

I am just a machine.

It was so disgusting to me and how degrading.

I would see in their face, their body demeanors would change and I would sit there and walk.

I'm like, oh, my God.

This is what a blessing, though, that you got to see that though.

It really was.

I didn't.

I Didn't see it for years until recent years.

And because I. I help a lot of men in our.

My community and they battle a porn addiction.

It's a huge thing, but I can't personally talk them through.

So that's why I had to find experts that have been through the trenches with these guys.

But I really started like trying to peel away.

Okay, why have I never gotten pulled in?

I've seen it my whole life, dude.

You know, the military is.

We used to.

We used to go on patrol to other houses in our AO for the grunts.

And I would have one of my boots box up one of my troops, box up a MRE box full of Playboys.

We would patrol to another house.

Radio ahead of time.

Hey, we're coming.

We're gonna swap.

And we would swap Playboys hard drives.

So porn in the industry is like in the.

In the.

Or in the military is.

It's part.

It's like drinking.

It's just hand in hand.

Yeah.

But after I got into the.

The industry and how saw that it killed it for me.

And so you saying just what it does to these girls.

And they think just because you put it out there, you could delete it one day.

I mean, it is.

It's a terrifying thing.

And how many of these young girls fall into it by getting groomed these cre.

And it was just the creepy old dudes.

And I'm sitting there, you're letting this dude talk to you like this.

Like there was times where I'd be like, yo, bro, like, no, we're not.

I'm out.

Like, I can't.

And so it's.

It's a disgusting, dark, demonic world.

And I got a little taste of it and I was, whoop.

Not for me even at that state in my life.

And it.

That it's hard for people to kind of grasp because of who I used to be.

Shouldn't have bought.

I was.

I was down for anything.

I would just ride or die.

Cool, I'm in.

And I thought I was.

That was the.

And then I saw that and it was.

It hit me in my guts, I'm like, this is not for me.

This is.

Can't support this.

And then God knew you were going.

To have two little girls sense of humor, right?

Yeah.

And now I'm over here just trying not to beat the.

Out of everybody that's staring at creepy old.

These creepy old dudes.

How they look.

I actually just did a video.

I didn't post it yet, but I'm in the gym and I It.

There's a.

There's a.

Nobody talks about this as a girl dad.

There's a.

There's a phase as your little girls grow and they start to develop and become young women.

There's a phase where men start looking at them in certain ways.

And as a good father, good dad, that's intentional with my kids and watching their surroundings to protect them.

I notice these things.

And especially being military and just who I used to be and watching everything.

Operation Everyone comes home every day.

Right.

100.

So I've watched this evolve over the years, especially with my old this, which has now built the sixth sense in me to where I can almost watch dudes body languages.

And now it's to the point.

I was in the gym yesterday and I'm on the stairs.

I'm just doing my cardio, and there's a young girl in there, and she's wearing everything to stand out, but my eyes don't go to her.

I start watching how these men our age are staring at these girls, and it's.

It's so disgusting to me how they'll position themselves.

So if the girl's walking in the position, so no girl walks by.

It's like.

It's like, I just watched you.

Yeah.

How old are these girls?

Teens, Young teens.

My daughter's age, you know, and.

And the fact that you're.

That's what you're attracted to.

And.

And there's a lot of us out there that don't have that little girl, young woman gene that we find attractive.

And there's a lot of men that do.

And it sucks for the good men because now I understand when you see these videos and men are dogs and they're all pigs, I can't argue because I'm watching this young teenage girl.

Granted, probably dress a little bit better in the gym, but I'm watching just these men.

And I'm like, you mother, you probably have daughters her age that you're staring at.

And it's.

That's the phase.

That's what, like in.

That's where I'm at in my life, where I'm watching.

I'm like, yeah, dude, I.

And they'll look, I'll make eye contact, be like, yeah, dude, watch you just.

So what would happen if that was your.

Your daughter walking by?

I step in between.

Yeah.

I'll sit in the airport with her and be like, watch this guy.

He's about to turn and look at this girl.

Oh, my God.

You know how men are.

Yeah, unfortunately, I want to unpack that this concept of how men are, because I feel as a society, we are where we're at.

Like, you were talking about this frustration earlier.

Like, like, how do we get out?

I mean, to unwind the political, religious, non profit layers of bureaucracy and corruption that have just built over Bill, you're just like, what do we, what do we do?

How do we do this?

You know, and how do we get out of this?

And it's, you know, being, being a single, a single man and having gone out on some dates with, with some women and they talk to me about, like, I'll talk to a woman who's like, very feminist, and I'm, I want to break this down with her.

I, like, I'm curious, like, innocently curious.

The dork in me wants to know, how do you become the way you are?

I just want to know, you know, there was no man in her life.

Maybe growing up, you know, she was a single mom working two jobs to provide for her kids.

Like, all in all, every, almost every story that, that you see and when you look at how society is, is like this concept of like, men not stepping up and leading broken home, fatherless.

Yeah.

You look at, like when you look at the people who end up in jail, oftentimes they came from fatherless homes.

This concept of a father is a very powerful one, but a good father, one that's strong and leads.

This whole thing with the fall of society and all this transgender stuff that was going on, all even this crap with Israel and these.

What.

These are just we.

It's weak men, a bunch of beta male weak men that don't step up, don't want to walk in the light, don't want to step up for the fire, because you know what?

It's hard as hell.

Sucks.

It sucks.

It sucks.

It's not fun.

But we've been.

Men have been trained that, that period.

Like, you have quick access to stuff.

You can just swipe right and go on a date with somebody.

You don't have to go have a conversation with somebody.

You can just order food to your house.

You can watch pornography like that on a.

The access that men have to things.

But as a, as a result of all of this, women have had to step up and fill a void in society for sure that men have failed to fill for sure.

We're very old school in our.

How we've raised our daughters, you know, and I.

A husband's role and the father is to lead the home.

I lead.

I. I set the tempo.

This is my home.

I.

These are My rules.

But my wife doesn't stand behind me.

She stands beside me.

And there's a lot of times where I make mistakes, but then she checks me on this, and.

And that's where you look back and everybody wants to be this boss, babe, and all this stuff now.

But if you looked at, like, a queen, that her husband ruled an empire, she was.

I don't think so.

No, you're not.

You need to shut up.

That's not how it was her, that she would let her husband get their kingdom in the wars out of whatever it may be.

But behind closed doors, that's when you have those conversations.

Yeah, but I feel now like we're kind of just saying on that break, the Andrew Tates, like, women belong in the kitchen.

And it's.

It's when I say old school, I want to.

I'm.

We're raising our kids to court, to date, to get to know people.

Because now it's like the world is.

I have buddies that are in the dating world that are my age, and I am petrified if I ever had to go through that, because they're just like, dude, it's insane out here, right?

It is.

And then I'm looking at my teenage daughter, I'm like, good luck, kid, you know, because of these boys.

And there's.

There's.

They're not.

I feel men aren't raising men anymore.

It's very few.

I just complimented one of my buddies, one of the only few dudes out there that has raised a true man from a boy to now this man that represents him.

And I'm just like, dude, there's one out of.

Well, the Internet's raising.

The Internet mixed with institutions are what's raising most children out there.

It's not.

It's clear as day.

I mean, I went to the gym with her the other night, and there's these boys her age, and I'm watching them and just.

I'm not picking on these kids, but if they actually spend time working out, they would actually probably have muscle.

But they're just flexing and they're doing this, and they spend 30 minutes in there, and they walk around a circle, circles, peacocking.

What I get.

We've all been through those phases in the gym, not knocking it, but I'm just.

I'm looking like, bro, what are you peacocking now?

You're working out?

Yeah.

You weigh 100 pounds, bro.

Of course you have a six pack.

You're 100 pounds.

Come talk to me when you're 200 pounds is shredded that's more of an accomplishment.

But I'm looking at her, I'm like, oh my God, this is your day.

By the way, when you get to 200, you're gonna be shredded.

I'm 227 right now, so I dropped from 250 to 218 on that fast.

What's your goal?

I don't have one.

I just want to get, I just want to feel good looking.

But I saw you getting excited there.

You'd see the apps coming through.

Yeah, they're coming, they're coming.

That's.

Yeah, I've been crushing it.

So anyways, yeah, it's, it's been a journey, but it's, it's, it's just this world we're in now and these fathers aren't leading their homes anymore.

I think they're too distracted.

Yeah.

Too busy with work, too busy with life.

We.

I just saw a study and I put in my community that on average a couple years ago it was 13 minutes a day.

And I think it's down to seven minutes a day on average of what a father is spending.

Quality, uninterrupted time, no phones, no distractions.

Seven minutes a day.

And that's usually in car rides.

You think about it, seven.

You bring a child into this world at least how I think is my next now my job, sons, daughters, all in between, is to raise this next generation to put a legacy out there.

If they continue my family, name them or not, they're gonna, that's my legacy and I'm gonna spend seven minutes a day with them.

How do you do anything with seven minutes a day?

Day?

You're going to get to know your children.

You're going to, you're going to be able to instill in your daughter's integrity, confidence.

Yeah.

Morals, values.

When you're talking to them for seven, let's say it's double that, 14 minutes a day.

So in today's society we talk about like traditional homes, right?

Yeah.

So most moms work, most dads work.

There's often if they're.

And if they're higher end successful, they're going to have, have nannies.

So your kid goes to school, wakes up around six something.

Goes to school in the morning, then has sports, gets home at 6 o', clock, has two hours of homework and wants to chat with her friends a little bit, needs to shower up, get cleaned up, get ready for the next day.

It's bedtime.

There's not, there's that seven minutes is like, that's like, like I, when I look at the breakout of the day.

I'm not, I'm not, I'm not surprised.

I'm not surprised that at all.

When we say that it's just crazy when we, when you, when you think about it though.

And then what bad can happen out of that?

What?

Yeah, a lot.

Like you have an institution shaping the minds of your kids, right?

You have other people teaching your kids faith.

You have other people teaching your kids about sports, which I understand, like that might not be your thing, but mom's working, Dad's working.

Who's worse?

Who's loving on those kids?

No one who's.

Who.

Who knows what's really going on in their kids lives.

So like their friends.

Their friends do maybe.

And the thing is too is like when I look at what I break things down into four pillars in, in relationships and in a man's role.

So everyone wants to feel safe because when you feel safe, you could tap into your masculine energy.

Your wife could type in her feminine energy.

Daughters get to see that, they get to witness that.

So that's what she's going to want to look forward to, man, one day.

That's what, that's what like, you know, your, your daughters are going to emulate your wife's energy and all that kind of stuff when she's in that feminine energy.

In order for that to happen, we all have to feel safe in four areas.

Financially, fiscally, emotionally and spiritually.

And the man's to lead.

So the man's the man as the financially, right.

Making sure our bills are going to get paid.

Like I'm always going to go hunting for food, you're always going to eat and such physically that you're, that you're not an abuse.

You know, we're not abusive people.

We're not abusing the people in our households that, that if someone ever did try to do anything, they're going to have to come through, they're going to have to come through us.

And it's not going to be a good day for them emotionally.

Can I speak my feelings and emotions and articulate them in a way or is it walking on eggshells and there's an explosion.

That was me for a long time.

I get that same here.

And then spiritually, I am the spiritual leader of our family.

I am responsible for that.

That.

And so on the flip side of that, that's the environment we create.

And then you're a.

And then your wife's able to really get in her feminine energy.

Your kids are able to see that That's a very beautiful safe zone to be in.

Safety is, is number one.

And then on the flip side, a man's got to feel safe in those areas.

Physically, you're not going to be mouthing off to people and getting me in fights.

You're not going to, like, be using me for money or, or, or driving us into financial peril.

Emotionally, you know, you're not going to be, like, putting me down every two seconds.

And you're going to be encouraging me, loving me.

And love is not all sunshine and rainbow.

Sometimes you need to tell me things I don't want to hear.

Oh, yeah.

And then, and then, and then spiritually, like, are you willing to submit?

And submission gets blown out in this toxic way of like, go get in the kitchen and go, blah, blah, blah, blah.

It's like, no, like, I'm supposed to love, love you as Christ loved the church.

What does that look like?

And you're to submit to that, which is a very beautiful thing.

It really is.

And that's when people feel, feel safe.

That whole model, like, I'm like, in, in the single world and dating, I have these conversations with, with, with women and such because I, I, they are blown away.

Blown away because it's such a foreign concept.

Like, if a man prays at dinner, they're just like, oh, my gosh, no one does that.

Opens up the door, pays the bills and all that kind of stuff.

Right.

Like, I, I had gone out on a date one time, and a girl's like, let me get this one and you can get the next one.

And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no.

In fact, that was a very unattractive thing, for sure.

You know, you were being sweet.

You have good intentions, but that's very unattractive to me, for sure.

Yeah.

So, like, especially as a traditional man, it's almost offensive that you would even offer, because the fact that you've dated so many men that have probably made you pick up the bill at that point just shows.

Yeah.

I don't ever rely on a man in my life.

I run circles.

I can.

Men are so weak.

I run circles around most of them.

That's a lot of their mindsets, and that's how they get people.

And you're alone, so.

Yeah,.

Yeah, you're, you're all this stuff, but you're single and you're miserable and alone.

Yeah.

You know, so it's, that's where it took me a long time for when my wife was the leader of our home spiritual.

Holy.

Yeah.

And she would start sending me these things.

And these studies in the research that showed the difference in children that were raised with a mother that was the spiritual leader of the home versus a father that was a spiritual leader of the home and how much confidence and everything was 10x just having a dad that believed and was a spiritual leader in their home.

10X anything that the mother did it.

I don't know if you've seen those numbers.

I've heard of a little bit of it.

I haven't actually seen.

Seen the numbers.

And you just sit back and think, oh my God.

Like this.

Just, just you being present in a home is huge.

As a father.

Then you add the leader of your home adds even more to your children's confidence and everything else that you.

That you're going to instill in them.

And then when you add the spiritual leader, it was God.

I should yell down to the wife.

The numbers are insane.

It was 85% of kids that grow up or something with dads that are the spiritual leader of their home end up leading their families to become believers in Christ versus just a mom.

That was a belief.

It was.

It's in unreal.

I'll ask the wife when we get done with it.

She has.

I know she'll remember it, but it's just wild of what.

This is why I hate seeing couples break up over in divorce over the dumbest finances.

My wife and I have literally counted pennies where I didn't.

We were hawking jewelry at pawn stores.

We've.

We've had our disagreements.

We've gotten some heated discussions over it because some she did behind my back is what it is, is for the right reasons, but there's nothing you should ever, ever divorce over.

There's.

I get that there's certain circumstances.

Right.

I always get what about.

I get it.

But there's not much if it is.

If you are not hurting children, women, animals, maliciously and that's.

There's.

You could work through damn near anything you can.

You could work through it all.

Those are my three things.

If you're.

If you're going out of your way to be abusive, demon, whatever it may be toward those three evil, straight up evil.

Evil.

There's no, there's no.

Nobody has room for anything in their life like that.

Everything else.

I mean obviously if you're being abusive and you're just.

You're not changing.

There comes a time, but you watch what happens in these broken homes in.

I mean obviously you're still, you know, obviously in your kid's Life.

Yeah.

But a lot of these dads, they just check out and then it's.

You're just leaving these children because these women wanted.

The crazy thing is, I just watched this thing on menopause.

67 Of divorces happen from women starting and going into the menopause phase.

Interesting.

I'd never heard of that.

Yep.

And then they started throwing all these numbers out there of the divorce rate and ages.

It was all a huge six.

It was in the 60s, 65, 67% of divorces were initiated by the women that were starting or going into their pre menopause.

Menopause phases.

Interesting point of their life to choose to.

They hate the switches.

They hate you.

That's why they just wake up one day and they hate their husbands because of the chemical and everything's switching.

So my wife and I have that.

She's big on.

She's terrified of going into, like, pre menopause because we have such a great relationship.

She's like, if I just wake up one day and I hate you.

You know why?

You know, if we talk about what the kids like, we need to start working on as a fighter reasons.

So there's actually.

I've been looking deep in rabbit holes on peptides.

Take peptides.

I was gonna say take peptides.

I just partnered up with a freaking peptide company.

It's changed my life.

I'm a firm believer.

I. I held off on it for a long time, but now it's.

I know.

I. I'm everybody that comes to me.

Guy, man.

I'm getting surgery.

Get on these peptides before you get on surgery.

Having a hard time losing belly fat.

Here's a peptide.

They're incredible.

Incredible.

I can't sleep.

Here's a peptide.

Exactly.

Yeah.

Until we find out, like 10 years from now.

The studies that come out.

So.

But they're actually.

The studies are coming out.

It's reversing cancer.

They're.

It's natural occurring within your body.

Yeah.

So I tell, like, I.

It.

One of the.

One of.

One of the things that gets me going is, is they hand out TRT testosterone like candy to people and it causes men's hair to fall out.

It causes all sorts of stuff.

And it's like, hey, before you jump someone on testosterone, peptides.

Natural occurring.

Helps your body produce more testosterone.

It's already doing naturally.

Yes.

You're not injecting testosterone into your body.

And.

And so I'm a huge, huge.

Because I started taking peptides five and a half years ago and I've been sick twice.

In five years.

I used to get sick like legit at least two to three times a year.

Especially if you travel as much as you do.

Good for you.

Yeah.

I'm a huge believer in it.

And I refuse to take straight up testosterone though.

That's where my boundary is.

Because if you take glow, for example, guys, TRT will cause your hair to fall out.

You take stuff like glow, Copper and all that, it does the opposite.

So now they just dropped a new one.

Clo, I believe is the.

I heard about clo.

It's the next version of that.

I was actually just doing research on this the other day because I wanted to see what, what was the hype about it.

But it's, there's some pretty, pretty crazy.

Stuff out there, but it's just like anything else.

Right.

Like five years ago, very few people knew about peptides and now everyone knows about peptides and therefore it's turning into this like can you really trust where you get it from?

That's the thing.

Legitimately.

Go through a place that knows the pharmacy that's doing it third party.

Test your blood work.

Get your blood work done.

Make sure you know what it is you're putting in your body.

Take ownership of it.

Yeah, no, it's a tool.

It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a game changer for, for a lot of people.

And I understand it, it's expensive, but it's life changing.

Here we are.

Yeah, why not?

I think a lot of it got a bad rap with GLP1.

Yeah.

And then obviously Ozemp, the big pharma jumped on that one and that to me that was mind boggling.

That was like the vaccine for me when people were jumping on this and the immediate side effects and deteriorating bone growth and causing bone cancer.

Yeah.

Off to lose weight and then now you're skinny fat.

It's just none of that.

I know, none of that made sense to me.

I was like, just go on a diet, man.

Like before you're.

You can almost tell when someone's on his.

Every time.

Yeah.

Every time.

Yeah.

I have a bunch of buddies that jumped on and I'm like, I've worked out majority of my life and I've never seen anybody lose 80 pounds in two months.

Yeah.

So yeah, something, something's.

You get a little help from someone.

What do we want to.

What else.

What else we got for you, man?

We didn't touching your military stuff but anything else on the churches.

I know we could probably talk for Hours, which I'm cool with.

But we went into the boss babe thing, which kind of took us a detour.

I don't know if we ever ended up finishing that.

As far as the structure of the home.

Yeah, this.

I mean, okay.

Yeah.

So on this concept, right, like, we're.

Our job as parents is.

I mean, I talked about, like, the four pillars and the safety and such, but ultimately is getting our children prepared to have a relationship with God.

Right?

So, like, I used to think, my kids turn 18, they're on their own, they're legally adults, out the door.

I had this conversation with my kid's mom, who's, I would say, a lot more of the line of, like, go to college and.

And everything.

Right.

Very.

I. I want to say, like, just more kind of like our generation of how we grew up, which was parents.

Yes.

Still in that.