Why your American style sales tactics doesn't land well in Europe and what to do instead.
Speaker AAnd it's not about you.
Speaker AIt's all about how you were taught how to sell.
Speaker BMost European coaches really don't want to sound too American.
Speaker BI think there's a cringe about being too American if you are selling coaching in Europe.
Speaker BSo in this episode, we're going into the big differences on the European market versus the American market and why your American strategies don't work in Europe.
Speaker BYeah, and what to do instead.
Speaker AYeah, and what to do instead is very important because otherwise it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker ADo you remember the Disney movie Aladdin?
Speaker AYou must have seen that with your kids or maybe even when you were a kid.
Speaker AYou remember Princess Jasmine?
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AWell, yeah.
Speaker ASo the main character, you remember the movie?
Speaker ARemember her?
Speaker ACool.
Speaker ASo Princess Jasmine, she gets tired of living like, kind of the princess life, so she escapes from the palace to join the street and experience what the outside world is.
Speaker AAnd she walks down a road covered with a scarf, hiding herself, and she stumbles into a marketplace.
Speaker AShe gets her first kind of interaction with the outside world.
Speaker AOne of the people that she meets, she forces a fish into her face and yells, fresh fish.
Speaker AThat is a good example of how you shouldn't sell to people.
Speaker ASo if you're ever doing anything close to pushing stuff up people's faces and yelling what it is, then that's the first indicator that we are doing the wrong thing.
Speaker ATo start opening up that comfortable sales process that we are comfortable with.
Speaker ABut that also they get a lot of value out of that ultimately makes them buy as well.
Speaker BYeah, we had one US Business coach, but that was way, way, way fine.
Speaker BSo our business.
Speaker BAnd for some months when I'm on events, I always have a lot of energy, and I don't know how many times I've been told it's just so American.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BThe way you do it.
Speaker BAnd I think that comes with just being energetic because a lot of people can't distract the energy from hype.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BAnd I think in Europe, there's this thing about European buyers.
Speaker BThey don't like the hype.
Speaker BThey don't like this overrated, hard closing from hard pitching from stage kind of thing.
Speaker BI think it's the emotion of feeling I'm being too sold to.
Speaker BOn being pitched.
Speaker BPeople you like to buy, but they don't want to be sold to.
Speaker AIt's even more than that.
Speaker AWe help coaches in Europe.
Speaker AI'm also following the bigger brands.
Speaker AAnd when I'm looking at the Bigger brands like Tony Robbins or Russell Branson or, you know, all of those.
Speaker AThe biggest problem is that I experienced that they get by because it's a cultural thing.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AWhen Tony Robbins pitches in Europe, it kind of works for him because they understand he's American.
Speaker AThat's how they do over there.
Speaker ABut when I pitch and if I were to have the same kind of approach, I. I will be shot down immediately by the politically correctness kind of people.
Speaker AIt's not by words.
Speaker AThey would just feel that this is off.
Speaker BI think there's something with this overly hyped thing, selling strategy or approach that I think a lot of Europeans see it as fake or inauthentic.
Speaker BAnd the funny thing is, once you start traveling a lot, we are often in US we have a lot of friends, a lot of coaches in us as well.
Speaker BWe meet up with a lot of coaches.
Speaker BWe've been there so many times.
Speaker BAmericans are just more out there.
Speaker BThey're just more direct and more straight on.
Speaker BThe way they communicate.
Speaker BYou're the best friend first time you meet them and straight up into your face.
Speaker BI think there's a charm to that.
Speaker AIt's also exhausting.
Speaker BIt is a little bit exhausting because they really aren't.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AIt's really nice to meet people, but it's also really nice to go away from people.
Speaker ANo, but I mean that with all sincerity, though, because we come from a different place.
Speaker BYeah, we do.
Speaker BWe just a little bit more not polite, but more held back.
Speaker AMy personality is that I recuperate with space and alone.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AI am an introvert by nature, so I need my space in order to kind of get my head together.
Speaker AAnd some people relaxes in the company of others.
Speaker AAnd I would say that that is a massive cultural thing.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AAnd the cultural part of sales is a very, very big influence.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ABecause we need to represent the culture we're from and we need to respect the culture that we are currently pitching to.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ALike the culture of the people whom we pitch to.
Speaker AAnd that is why we are very, very, very good at speaking to Scandinavian people, because we know them inside out.
Speaker ANetherlands for a reason.
Speaker AWhen we're looking at our, like, the response that we get from our content and stuff, it always booms in Netherlands, Scandinavia and places that.
Speaker AWhere the culture is very similar to where we are from.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AAnd if we want to approach another country, we need to tweak ourselves a little bit.
Speaker AThe Italians and the Greeks and the.
Speaker AThe fre Very, very, very different.
Speaker AAnd we have a lot of clients from all of those countries as well.
Speaker AIt's interesting when we start to see, okay, so what are the common Anonymous.
Speaker AThat makes sales work and that makes it easy to come across being Scandinavian or being Portuguese or wherever you're from and still be able to land your message in a way that attracts people and say, yeah, I'm ready to buy your stuff.
Speaker BYeah, but absolutely.
Speaker BAnd if we look at the culture differences, because the fact is a lot of coaches in Europe today have been in coaching schools or been taught by Americans.
Speaker BAnd when they bring it home, it just falls flat because absolutely.
Speaker BThe first thing about them being talking to you, you're their best friend first time they meet you.
Speaker BIf you do that to strangers here, they suspect that, oh, you want something from me.
Speaker BThere's some suspicion in between.
Speaker AScam me with.
Speaker BYou're trying to scam me.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BSo there will be this bias resistance coming up way sooner in Europe than they will in us.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BAnd I think there's another thing I'm noticing because we had American employee at some point and we can see Americans are typically.
Speaker BThey're just not hiding.
Speaker BGlittery pitching is so much sooner than you can do in European market.
Speaker BBecause Europeans need to trust you way more before you pitch in us.
Speaker BIt's normal.
Speaker BLike, hey, if you're in my shop, they have a thing about they value entrepreneurs, they celebrate people who make money, they celebrate people who are being successful.
Speaker BIn Europe, we kind of look down to people.
Speaker BWe kind of have this suspicions, oh, there's something weird with you.
Speaker BYou're scamming people or you're stealing from people or it's on benefit of someone else.
Speaker AIt sounds too good to be true.
Speaker BIt's too good to do true.
Speaker BSo we're more hesitant.
Speaker BWe don't trust as easily, which is why Americans are just so fast.
Speaker BAs pitching doesn't work in Europe, it will do the opposite.
Speaker BWe'll have bias resistance coming up way sooner.
Speaker BSo we need to approach the market differently both when we're selling one on one, when we're doing the marketing and when we are doing selling from stage.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AWe have inherited so much of the sales culture from, I would say America.
Speaker ASure.
Speaker ABut I would more say from the people that are always talked about or when we're looking at the.
Speaker AI remember when I was in my 20s or very early 20s.
Speaker AI remember when I was 20 because I was really good at talking.
Speaker AI've always been good at talking and I felt that that made me a good salesperson.
Speaker AI was also very ethical.
Speaker AI would never sell them something if I didn't believe it was helpful.
Speaker AI remember that I had a story and that I also told my friends that, like, I could sell anything to anyone.
Speaker AI could sell broken eggs to people.
Speaker AThat part of the culture and that first invite into what sales is.
Speaker AIt's out there.
Speaker AIt exists as a fog where we still believe that sales is something.
Speaker AWhere you convince someone to do something, even if they're not 100% sure that that's what they want.
Speaker AYeah, I'm really easy to sell to because I know exactly what I want.
Speaker ASo when I come to something, I know what I want.
Speaker AIf they say that this is what it is, that I'm going to buy it.
Speaker BSo it sounds like we're kind of dissing Americans.
Speaker BWe really want to show the differences.
Speaker BBecause on the other hand US people have for them is that they are not afraid of selling.
Speaker ANo.
Speaker BIn the way that Europeans often are.
Speaker BBecause we've been taught that sales is scammy.
Speaker BAnd it's about convincing people.
Speaker BSo we have this.
Speaker AIt's a hidden agenda that's going on that I don't understand.
Speaker ASo I need to be on the lookout for, like, I need to take care of myself.
Speaker AI need to withdraw.
Speaker BAnd then, even worse, we have in Scandinavian countries, we call it the Yandel, the law of Django.
Speaker BWe have the thing that you should not believe you're better.
Speaker BI see how much we work with almost 900.
Speaker BI think we're turning 900 clients by the end of this year.
Speaker BSo if you look at all of the clients, the number one issue for the coaches, we help.
Speaker BAnd they are 99 in Europe.
Speaker BAnd we have a little bit in US but 99 in Europe, we have right now we just got the client in Czech Republic, which means now we are 18 different countries.
Speaker BThat is 17 different European countries.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BAnd if there's something that is an accommodator for all of them is the imposter.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BPeople do not like being seen and heard because we all grown up with, you shouldn't be seen and heard and you should not make all the noise.
Speaker BI think there is a big cultural difference from Americans there.
Speaker BI think Americans just feel more comfortable taking space and being seen and heard and.
Speaker BAnd, yeah, take up space.
Speaker BJust listen to how it is when they're tourists.
Speaker BYou can always hear them.
Speaker AYeah, absolutely.
Speaker AAbsolutely.
Speaker AAnd the reason why America pops up is because they have been leading the market.
Speaker BThey are leading the market for so many years.
Speaker AAnd I'm not talking about just coaching.
Speaker AA general rule of thumb when we started in the coaching industry, it was looking at, okay, so what did they do in the US 10 years ago?
Speaker ABecause that was kind of like, it's gonna work in Europe.
Speaker AIt's not the same anymore, unfortunately.
Speaker ABecause it was super, super easy to just look at what worked way, way, way, way before and then do the same thing here.
Speaker ABut they are a big influence.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AThat's why it's so important when it comes to sales.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AWe need to teach ourselves to sell in a way that lands in a good way for the prospect.
Speaker AAnd most of our coaches help people in Europe.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AMost of the people that we talk to are European coaches.
Speaker ASo it's just very natural.
Speaker AAnd I think Scandinavia is a very good kind of benchmark because if you can sell in Scandinavia then you can sell in any European country.
Speaker BWhy do you think that is?
Speaker BWhy do you say that?
Speaker ABecause the way that you described Scandinavians before, we are proud of taking that kind of, you know, that political stand for that.
Speaker AWe are the equilibrium of equality.
Speaker AAnd we're not the worst case in the world history of displaying that we're not communists in any way, but we are in many ways socialists.
Speaker ASo we're looking at society and looking for how can we make stuff equal.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AWhich is a dangerous game.
Speaker ABut I believe that that is what creates Scandinavia as kind of the people taking that for making sales hard or something that you shouldn't be involved with.
Speaker ABecause that's the bad guys.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BSo what's different?
Speaker BHow can we adapt to the European market if we're going to look some different things?
Speaker BThat works in us.
Speaker BYou can't bring those strategies home to Europe because they don't work here.
Speaker BI would say the first one is focusing on permission based selling.
Speaker BMeaning that you should ask for permission way more here before just sending.
Speaker BInstead of just sending to people randomly out of the blue like cold dming or just sending to them.
Speaker BYou want to jump on a call with me kind of thing.
Speaker BAsk for permission first.
Speaker BHey, you know what?
Speaker BI got this thing.
Speaker BI believe it would be valuable for you.
Speaker BLet me know if you want me to send it to you.
Speaker BSo have those more permission based questions into the conversations.
Speaker BWill help you to create that connection and build trust.
Speaker BYou need to build trust a little bit slower in the European market.
Speaker BWe can't just rush forward.
Speaker AOr at least more thoughtful.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ABecause I don't really want to buy into slower because we can have them buy fast.
Speaker ABut we need to do it with a lot more consideration.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AAnd we need to be very Careful with making sure that we have established that trust factor before we take the next step.
Speaker AAnd that goes very much hand in hand with transparency.
Speaker ABecause in order for people to feel comfortable, we need to be transparent.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ASo when I'm speaking on stage, I usually open up and start by saying that here's my intention, here's why I've created this event, and then I go through it and then I tell them there is going to be an offer for us to work together.
Speaker AI would give you the offer now if I thought that that was the only thing.
Speaker AWhat I'm really investing in here is for us to get to know each other.
Speaker AI want you to get to know me and ultimately I want to get to know you so that I know that we're a good fit.
Speaker AAnd if we like each other, then we can high five and we can have a conversation about if it would be cool to do something further.
Speaker BWhich means it's result first marketing.
Speaker BWe showing them more results in advanced marketing.
Speaker BResults in advanced marketing.
Speaker BSo we show a case a little bit more before we do the pitching so we know people are comfortable with what will happen.
Speaker BSo we use an invit language instead of using directives like what to do or direct.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BDirection language we do on stage.
Speaker BWe do more results in advanced marketing.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BWorks better here.
Speaker BAnd then there's another thing, and that's about building resonance rather than fake urgency.
Speaker AI want to emphasize the fake urgency because urgency is really, really important.
Speaker AVery, very helpful.
Speaker BAbsolutely.
Speaker ABut when we are making it sound like, yeah, there now is the only moment, then we're starting to sound like 1970s car salesman.
Speaker AThe mustache and.
Speaker AAnd big belly that, ah, this car will take you from blah blah, blah to blah blah blah, and it's only blah, blah blah, but if you don't buy, you know, and that gets no one going.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ASo it's really important that we are acknowledging the.
Speaker AThe principles that allows us to build that no like and trust factor.
Speaker AOne thing that is super important is, is to embed everything that is going to come during the sales process in the marketing.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ABecause the moment we realize that we can start to sell by teach and we can start to give value and we can give results in our marketing.
Speaker AAnd when we can elaborate with like, what kind of cool stuff could I create for the people who might be interested, then our marketing does the heavy lifting.
Speaker AAnd then when we meet people at calls or on events, they're already psyched about being there because they're excited about what we're going to get always get good stuff when we're meeting these people.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ASo that is a very, very big part of making sales easy and also not just for you, but for them.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AIt's results in advanced marketing.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ABuilding in the embed, all the sales parts in the marketing.
Speaker ALet your marketing do the heavy lifting.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BSo if we're speaking to the challenges they're standing with and we take out the fake urgency because fake urgency also speak into fear based pain like oh, fear of losing out and all of this.
Speaker BSo instead of pressing on that coming with confidence in what you're coming with instead.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BSo you come in with a clear confidence in what you do.
Speaker BSo people don't want to lose out.
Speaker BSo instead of pushing people to you with fear to make a decision now, rather come in with confidence so they feel like, oh, I want to get that thing now, I need this thing now.
Speaker BSo it's more attracting instead of pushing them to from a place of fear, rather come from a place of confidence.
Speaker BYeah, that works better as well.
Speaker A100%.
Speaker BWhen we do testimonials, I also believe proof content is a big part of selling is showing proof what others doing.
Speaker BI think there's a nuance here to not stand out as a brag of due to all the things we just been talking about.
Speaker BWe don't want to stand up being a bragger when the way we show our testimonials and telling the stories and I think this is actually interesting because it's typical for all the startup coaches when they're just starting to do content.
Speaker BWe tell them you need to do proof content.
Speaker BYou need to help people to understand that what you do actually works.
Speaker BThis is actually the hardest part of content for a lot of people because they feel like.
Speaker BBut I don't want to brag but how we can do it in a style that doesn't come out as braggy is keeping it a low, low key story where you are giving a point, a lesson, a training to the one who's listening.
Speaker BBut using your client testimonial or result, that's an example of that.
Speaker BInstead of just saying look at this person got this, this one got this, this one got this.
Speaker BInstead we can tell about, hey, let me share your story about this person who came to me having this problem and what I did was I did this and this and this and now this person is just gotten this amazing result and I'm so proud of them.
Speaker BFor you, this is what you can do.
Speaker BYou always need to do this, this and this.
Speaker BNow it's the same thing.
Speaker BI'm building trust, but I build it in a way where it's easier for me to be in and it's easier for our audience to receive it and not look at you as someone who's just bragging.
Speaker BIt's just the way we give it away.
Speaker BComing from more storytelling, more value delivery than from a piece of see how good I am.
Speaker BI just did this, this and this.
Speaker BYeah, I think that's a hard part for a lot of people.
Speaker AAnd something that is very, very easy to do when you're creating proof, content, testimonials and case studies and stuff like that is to highlight, embed into your story acknowledgment for the person who did that.
Speaker ABecause people and this, us, Australia, Europe, doesn't matter because ultimately what people love is to see people who are displaying their hero journey, how they overcame something, because it's inspirational.
Speaker ASo if we highlight that and say, hey, I just want to send some, some acknowledgment to this person.
Speaker AAnd if it's a person who is in your program of some sort, you could use their initials or whatever.
Speaker AYou don't need to make it completely public.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ABut then you can highlight this person and then you could tell the story about how this person managed to do this.
Speaker AAnd that makes you look good as a coach and it makes that person look good.
Speaker AThat person is going to love to read about themselves, the way that you acknowledge them and speak about them.
Speaker ABut also the people who read it is going to feel like this is really, really cool.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ASo that's an easy approach of how should I angle this in order to tell this story?
Speaker BSo to wrap it up in Europe, we want to focus on connection rather than conversion.
Speaker BConversion happens through the connection, always connection first, always.
Speaker BDon't push too fast, connect first.
Speaker BThen instead of hype, look more into honesty, be honest.
Speaker BAnd then the third thing was understand the ideal client.
Speaker BThey prefer confidence and calm.
Speaker BIf you can come in with confidence, you don't need to be as loud.
Speaker BIf you're just coming in really confident with what you do and you can explain it very clearly.
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