He had had chest pain on Thanksgiving and
Speaker:didn't tell anybody because he didn't want to miss dinner.
Speaker:Your doctors are playing defensive medicine and protecting themselves and not doing the right thing
Speaker:for you. That's not okay. That's not something you want
Speaker:to hear from your neurosurgeon before he's planning to cut into your brain.
Speaker:All right, here we go. I'm going to pretend I'm pushing record, because that feels
Speaker:right. Okay, I'm pressing record. Boop.
Speaker:Hi, everybody. I'm Lauren Howard. I go by L2.
Speaker:Yes, you can call me L2. Everybody does. It's a long story. It's
Speaker:actually not that long a story, but we'll save it for another time. Welcome to
Speaker:Different Not Broken, which is our podcast on
Speaker:exactly that. That there are a lot of people in this world walking around feeling
Speaker:broken, and the reality is you're just different, and that's fine.
Speaker:At one point, I want to say in like, his early 70s, probably,
Speaker:my dad started having a lot of trouble walking. He was a doctor,
Speaker:and in theory, should have had access to the best medical care around
Speaker:from colleagues and unaffiliated providers and just knowing
Speaker:the medical system the way he did. But that is not usually the way it
Speaker:works for doctors. Doctors tend to get the worst medical care, so
Speaker:much so that doctors will tell other doctors families to not tell
Speaker:people at the emergency room that your family member's a doctor.
Speaker:There's a couple reasons for that. One of them is complicated
Speaker:healthcare stuff. But the other one is that when people
Speaker:find out that something about you could
Speaker:warrant special treatment, which nobody should be getting special
Speaker:treatment, but if they find out that your brother
Speaker:works in that hospital or in that ER or whatever, their
Speaker:inclination is to treat you differently and usually to
Speaker:treat you better because you have some sort of special relationship. And that
Speaker:sounds great, right? It sounds. Oh, well, this is gonna be faster for me or
Speaker:I'm not gonna have to wait as long or I'll get priority
Speaker:service, or they're gonna pay better attention to me or care
Speaker:more or whatever. Like, all of that sounds great, but the
Speaker:reality, what actually ends up happening is that
Speaker:they don't follow protocols in an attempt
Speaker:to give you, quote, unquote, specific special treatment. And when you don't follow
Speaker:protocols, people die.
Speaker:Dr. Stevens to ER, please. Dr. Stevens to ER. Thank
Speaker:you. Now, are there
Speaker:bureaucratic reasons that protocols are in place, and
Speaker:do they all serve a healthcare purpose? No. I mean, yes, there
Speaker:are bureaucratic reasons. No, they don't all serve a healthcare purpose. Sometimes they
Speaker:serve Other purposes that are not helpful. But if it's
Speaker:the protocol, it's the protocol and they need to follow it for you. Even if
Speaker:you're quote, unquote, special. Special patients die because you skip
Speaker:important steps that avoid infection, that help
Speaker:with, you know, making sure everything's done, that ensure that
Speaker:things are not getting sewed back up into you that need to
Speaker:be out of you. Things like that happen all of the time. And it gets
Speaker:worse when you take the protocol out. The protocols are, for the most part, there
Speaker:for a reason, even though there are some that are ridiculous bloat that need to
Speaker:be dispelled of. But by and large, we have protocols for a reason
Speaker:and special patients die. And a really
Speaker:good example of this, and this sounds wild, but Joan Rivers
Speaker:died because she was a special patient. Joan Rivers convinced a
Speaker:doctor to do what should have been an inpatient procedure as an
Speaker:outpatient procedure. She was, like in her 80s, maybe
Speaker:even her 90s, or at least very close. There's no such thing as a
Speaker:routine outpatient procedure when you're in your 80s or 90s.
Speaker:Had they followed procedure and put her in the hospital for that
Speaker:procedure the way they should have, would they still have complications? I don't know.
Speaker:Could she still have died? I don't know. My understanding of that
Speaker:situation is the reason she died was the delay between the complication and
Speaker:getting her to the correct medical care that the only thing that they could do
Speaker:was call an ambulance, which takes time and delayed the
Speaker:care that she needed. Celebrities tend to also get really
Speaker:bad medical care for the same reason. Like, people will do them favors because
Speaker:they're famous and they have a lot of money and they want to be liked
Speaker:by famous people. And as a result, they often die from really,
Speaker:really horrific medical care. Somewhat different reasons. Often it's
Speaker:because they get everything they want, as opposed to somebody who
Speaker:has no money and gets nothing that they want or gets no attention. They get
Speaker:too much attention and nobody will tell them no. But it's very similar special patients
Speaker:dad for like five years. And the
Speaker:majority of the. Probably six or seven years before my dad died,
Speaker:he really struggled with walking. And it got progressively worse to the
Speaker:point where if we wanted to take him anywhere, we really had to take him
Speaker:in a wheelchair. He could only walk short distances, and
Speaker:nobody knew why. His legs were fine, his spine was fine.
Speaker:He wasn't in pain. He. He just couldn't walk. And he would
Speaker:also do this thing that I very distinctly remember where when he would
Speaker:stand up, he would take three or Four steps
Speaker:before he would actually start walking. Almost like roadrunner, like
Speaker:ramping up. And at the time I was like, ha ha, you look like road
Speaker:Runner. Well, now I understand that that's actually in and of itself almost
Speaker:diagnostic for what he ended up having. So it
Speaker:got progressively worse, Progressively worse. We had trouble finding a doctor that
Speaker:could help him. We took him to a bunch of doctors. Finally, he went to
Speaker:a neurosurgeon who looked at him and said,
Speaker:that's normal pressure hydrocephalus, which means that there's a backup
Speaker:of cerebral spinal fluid on the brain. Your cerebral spinal fluid is not
Speaker:draining correctly. And so because of it, it impairs
Speaker:motor function, it can make people foggy, it can impair
Speaker:cognition, and also it makes it difficult to walk.
Speaker:Basically, he said, you're going to have to have brain surgery, which sounded
Speaker:terrifying to all of us, like, are they going to have to cut into a
Speaker:skull? And you. Still a very busy practice. He had no interest in
Speaker:retiring, obviously. I heard brain surgery and, like, panicked.
Speaker:He didn't care. He was like, cut into whatever you want. I hate
Speaker:living life this way. I don't like not being able to move. So,
Speaker:you know, fix it however you have to fix it. So we started the process
Speaker:of. There was like a registry we had to enroll him in. I don't remember
Speaker:why he couldn't just go get the surgery. Like, I feel like it's a
Speaker:surgery they do without enrolling you in a registry, but I don't remember all of
Speaker:the details of that. And that is kind of unlike me because I usually know.
Speaker:Know those things inside and out. But he went in front of the registry and
Speaker:they got all the paperwork, they did all the evaluations in the process
Speaker:of this process. It was Thanksgiving, and
Speaker:I don't remember there being anything specifically interesting
Speaker:about that Thanksgiving. All very normal. Now
Speaker:it's, you know, officially Christmas time. Dear Lord. Went back to work.
Speaker:Got out of work early that day. I don't remember if we just had a
Speaker:short day with patients or whatever, but was out with a friend of mine.
Speaker:And I think my parents had doctor's appointments. And my mom calls me and
Speaker:says, your dad's going to the hospital. And I was like, why?
Speaker:Like, he was just going for a regular follow up. And she said, well, he
Speaker:told Dr. Gurgis that he was having chest pain. And Dr.
Speaker:Gurges sent him directly to the emergency room because he was looking at his EKG
Speaker:and he didn't like the numbers. And so we, of course, rushed over to the
Speaker:Emergency room. And we were there with him. And then I get the full story.
Speaker:This was, like, three days after Thanksgiving. He had had chest
Speaker:pain on Thanksgiving and didn't tell
Speaker:anybody because he didn't want to miss dinner. That was
Speaker:the reason. He looked me straight in the face and said, I didn't
Speaker:want to miss dinner. So I didn't tell anybody that I was having
Speaker:severe chest pain. He said, but then it went away, so it's fine.
Speaker:And I looked at this man, whose name is followed by
Speaker:MD and nearly slapped the life out of him.
Speaker:They do all the tests, and they said, you know, your tropronins
Speaker:are fine. We don't see any indication of a heart attack, but
Speaker:your doctor wants us to admit you for further monitoring and to talk to a
Speaker:interventional cardiologist. So they admit him. Interventional
Speaker:cardiologist comes over, says he needs a stent. Now, we found
Speaker:out later that the stent was not
Speaker:curative. It was not treating anything. It was just
Speaker:to address the chest pain, which he had only had one time ever for a
Speaker:very short period. But at the time, like, it just felt like.
Speaker:I think all of us were so terrified by the idea that he could have
Speaker:just had a heart attack or recently had a heart attack and he had had,
Speaker:like, a triple bypass years prior that we were like, just get the damn
Speaker:stent. They put in the stent. The stent means that he has to stay on
Speaker:blood thinners and anticoagulants basically forever, which was fine
Speaker:because he had to anyway because he had had a aortic valve replacement. So we
Speaker:just didn't think anything of it. We're like, no problem. Whatever. He's already on the
Speaker:medicine. Well, then this goes in front of the board of
Speaker:deep thinkers who decide whether he can have the surgery for
Speaker:normal pressure hydrocephalus, which will restore his ability to walk. And
Speaker:they said, well, you just had a stent put in, which means
Speaker:you can't come off of your anticoagulants. We can't do brain surgery while you're on
Speaker:anticoagulants, so you can't have the surgery. You're denied. And I'm
Speaker:going, okay. But the dude can't walk, and you just want him to not walk.
Speaker:And they were like, it's too dangerous. It's too risky.
Speaker:My dad was upset, but he just kind of took the defeated stance. My mother,
Speaker:I'm sure, was histrionic about it, because obviously, me
Speaker:being me, though, I went full, hey, super.
Speaker:Fuck that noise. This dude can't walk.
Speaker:We have a dear friend who is an emergency room doctor. And I was like,
Speaker:this is bonkers, right? Like they're worried about him
Speaker:being on anticoagulants and having basically a brain bleed or a
Speaker:bleeding episode while doing surgery, which is a valid concern and something
Speaker:they should be concerned about. But he can't walk. And our
Speaker:friend said to me, yeah, well, things think about it this way, if he tries
Speaker:to walk and falls while on any coagulants, he's going to die anyway. I was
Speaker:like, good point. So I,
Speaker:my non clinically trained self went on Dr.
Speaker:Internet and researched the mortality
Speaker:rates of people who come off anticoagulants
Speaker:after getting what's called a drug eluding stent, which is what he had. And they
Speaker:had fairly recently done a study on it. My
Speaker:luck. Thank you. And
Speaker:the study showed that the mortality rate was 7%
Speaker:over a year. So 7% of people who stop
Speaker:taking anticoagulants die after a year of being
Speaker:off the anticoagulants if they have a drug eluting
Speaker:stent pudding. I needed five days. So the
Speaker:study, I think, had been done by the Cleveland Clinic. It was like I felt
Speaker:like somebody had written a manual for me because I'm reading it going, this
Speaker:is literally the protocol we need. And it took me 30 minutes of
Speaker:Internet searching to find it. And all of these very, very smart people
Speaker:who read the New England Journal of
Speaker:Medicine as light reading are telling me that this
Speaker:can't be done. When this literally says it can be done is right
Speaker:here. So my dad's poor cardiologist.
Speaker:He's a great doctor. He was such a nice man. I don't think
Speaker:he realized what he signed up for. But I called him and I was like,
Speaker:can you please check your email? And he's like, sure. You
Speaker:want to tell me why? And I was like, I found the protocol that you're
Speaker:going to use to wean him off of his anticoagulants onto a
Speaker:low molecular weight heparin, and then off of that so that
Speaker:he can have the surgery. And then two days after the surgery, he can put
Speaker:him back on his anticoagulants. And there's just this long pause
Speaker:and he finally goes, you did what?
Speaker:And I was like, yeah, Cleveland Clinic did a study on it. It shows that
Speaker:it's safe. Can you review it and see if you'll sign off on this? Because
Speaker:I need you to sign off on this. And he's like, yeah, okay.
Speaker:You could tell part of him was like really happy that this existed because it
Speaker:did mean that there was a path forward. And the other part of him was
Speaker:like, God damn it. Like, why? Who are you, and how
Speaker:does this happen? So he read it, and he called my dad, not
Speaker:me. He said, this will actually work. So I need to admit you
Speaker:four days early, and if they'll sign off on it, I need to admit
Speaker:you four days early, and then we'll do the transition. That way you'll be hospitalized.
Speaker:Should there be any indication of clot, we'll put you back on three days after
Speaker:the surgery. So he said, you'll do the surgery. He said, I'm signing off on
Speaker:the surgery. Everybody else has to sign. Sign off on the surgery. And I swear
Speaker:to God, he says, I would send your daughter to handle that. Got
Speaker:it. No problem. So we get everything in front of the board's. Board looks at
Speaker:it, and the board says, all right, if the cardiologist is fine with it, we're
Speaker:fine with it. Send him in. So a couple weeks later, they booked the
Speaker:surgery. They admitted him a couple days early.
Speaker:I very distinctly remember showing up on the day
Speaker:that they were going to do the surgery. It's a couple surgeries. The first
Speaker:surgery, they put in a temporary drain
Speaker:that they literally just, like, insert. Like, you can actually see it to drain
Speaker:off fluid that they then measure to make, you know, to see how much
Speaker:fluid they're taking off. There's, you know, you're allowed to get up and walk around,
Speaker:but it's. It's only in very specific situations. You. You have to be
Speaker:in certain positions. There's risk of a really severe
Speaker:headache that can be fatal. They insert the drain.
Speaker:Basically, he has a nurse at bedside for, like, the better part of
Speaker:48 hours, because they have to literally count
Speaker:how much is coming out in the process.
Speaker:I don't remember if it was when they did the temporary drain or before the
Speaker:permanent drain. It had to be before the temporary drain. So they
Speaker:basically come in and say, we're canceling the surgery.
Speaker:Like, we had been in the hospital at that point. He had been in the
Speaker:hospital at that point for four days. We had done everything
Speaker:they asked. He was ready. We were all excited because this
Speaker:was finally going to happen. And they said, we're canceling the surgery. And so we
Speaker:said, excuse me, what now? And they said, his
Speaker:platelets are too low. He won't clot. And I was
Speaker:like, okay. He was on an antiplatelet until four days ago.
Speaker:I feel like there are solutions for this. And they said, the interventional
Speaker:radiologist won't do the procedure because his platelets are too low. And I swear to
Speaker:God, somewhere there is video of me walking down a
Speaker:hallway of a
Speaker:neurosurgery wing at Florida Hospital South. That's what
Speaker:it was called at the time, yelling, someone get the man some
Speaker:damn platelets. This is why you have a blood bank. So I
Speaker:called the person who ran the registry, and I was like, I will
Speaker:find him platelets. She was like, how are you going to do that? And I
Speaker:was like, don't ask questions. But either you do it or
Speaker:I'm going to do it, because he's having the surgery today. So his doctor
Speaker:walks in, and I said, can someone get him platelets from the blood bank? And
Speaker:he goes, yeah, why didn't we just get him platelets from the blood bank? And
Speaker:I'm like, I should not be the one pointing these things out.
Speaker:So they go, get him platelets. Someone get the man some damn
Speaker:platelets. The nurse, who is very sweet and who to this day is one of
Speaker:my favorite nurses he's ever had, went over to my dad because at that point,
Speaker:he had been NPO for, like, literally 28 hours or something.
Speaker:And she was like, can I get you something to eat, since they're not going
Speaker:to do the surgery today? And I was like, I swear to God, if you
Speaker:put anything in that man's mouth. She just kind of, like, backs out
Speaker:slowly. And I gave her a big hug and apologized to her later,
Speaker:but she was like, I get it. I get it. I do. I just. I
Speaker:had to take care of my patient. And I was like, I will take care
Speaker:of your patient. Trust me. Anyway, so they went and gave
Speaker:him platelets.
Speaker:45 minutes later, his platelet numbers are fine. We go down
Speaker:to talk to the interventional radiologist. Interventional radiologist
Speaker:says, oh, you're the troublemaker. And I was like, nice
Speaker:to meet you. You're gonna do it, right? And so he walks us through the
Speaker:procedure. After the procedure, he said it was the easiest one that he had ever
Speaker:done, that it just worked perfectly. And I was like,
Speaker:mm. Mostly I was like, because you are scared into
Speaker:precision. Anyway, he had the drain in place
Speaker:for, like, 12 hours before they were like, all right, we're going to get up
Speaker:and walk now. He walked down the hallway like there were no problems.
Speaker:Like, he had not been bedridden for five years. It wasn't bedridden, but it was
Speaker:close. It was like watching his whole life come back. And so they were like,
Speaker:okay, this is a good sign. We're gonna do two more test drains and then
Speaker:we'll put in the full drain. Great, awesome. They put in the full drain,
Speaker:discharged him basically from like an outpatient unit, which was
Speaker:kind of wild. They put in the permanent drain and I think they only monitored
Speaker:him for like an hour. And then he was sent home like it was, it's
Speaker:quote unquote brain surgery. But it was actually like really,
Speaker:for all intents and purposes, minimal surgery. My
Speaker:dad was left handed. Both of my parents were left handed. Somehow they got three
Speaker:right handed and one fully ambidextrous kid. Guess which one is fully
Speaker:ambidextrous. No left handed children among them, however. But
Speaker:his neurosurgeon comes in fairly shortly before
Speaker:the initial drain, the temporary drain placement, and goes,
Speaker:larry, are you left handed? And he goes, yeah.
Speaker:And the doctor goes, oh shit. Like, it's just
Speaker:not. Of all the things that could come up, that's not the one you want.
Speaker:So it turns out that 20% of left
Speaker:handed people have their language functions for
Speaker:lack. I don't know what the actual word is. I don't remember it in the
Speaker:opposite side of the brain. Right brained people almost always have it on the
Speaker:same side. 20% of left handed people have it on the opposite side. And if
Speaker:you don't check first, you could accidentally leave
Speaker:somebody without speech if
Speaker:they're in the 20%. So they had to take him before they did the surgery
Speaker:and do like a last minute test that tells them what side has his language
Speaker:functions. Of course he was in the 20%. Of course he fucking was.
Speaker:So thank God they checked. Just know that
Speaker:your neurosurgeon saying oh shit before he cuts
Speaker:into your head is not an experience you want to have at
Speaker:all. Full stop. They discharge him. And I just have this
Speaker:very distinct memory of looking up from
Speaker:whatever my phone, my computer, whatever I was looking at. And my dad, who had
Speaker:been all but in a wheelchair for several years, is
Speaker:standing in front of me, thumbs looped through his belt loops,
Speaker:the way he had stood his whole. Like every time that I
Speaker:remember seeing him stand, this was the stance. And I had not seen it in
Speaker:so long that I had forgotten that it was the way he did it. They
Speaker:say, all right doc, you're ready to go. And they try to pull up a
Speaker:wheelchair and this man looks at me and goes, oh, no, no, no.
Speaker:He's like, I've been in one of those for several years. No, no, I'm walking.
Speaker:And so I have video. I still to this day have the video. Of him
Speaker:walking out of the hospital. And he walked just like normal. You would never
Speaker:know that Five days before, he literally was not able to get his feet under
Speaker:him. It was just like, get the fluid off the brain. And
Speaker:then all of a sudden, everything returned. He had some muscle atrophy issues because he
Speaker:hadn't used them in so long that his stamina wasn't great. But his ability
Speaker:to stand up, his ability to walk, his. All of it. The
Speaker:surgeries that they did, I think each took 20 minutes. Like, it was that
Speaker:fast. It sounded scary. Cause it was brain surgery, but it really
Speaker:was just like inserting a tube above the brain that drains
Speaker:things off the brain. And then the other end of the tube went into the
Speaker:stomach to drain off the rest of the fluid. Anyway, so he had,
Speaker:like a. He had like, a bump. Like, they. They shaved half of his head.
Speaker:And we said, like, can't you shave his whole head? And they were like,
Speaker:we're doctors, not barbers, so, no, you have to do the other side. And I
Speaker:was like, okay, fine, whatever. So he did go home and appropriately shave the rest
Speaker:of his head. So he didn't have hair. Like, he didn't have much hair to
Speaker:begin with, but you. There was a difference. You could tell. And there was a
Speaker:scar there, obviously, because they had just cut into it. And it wasn't even that
Speaker:bad a scar, but it was a scar. It was noticeable. And it probably. Like,
Speaker:we probably didn't want to tell people that he had been in a bar fight.
Speaker:So we just decided that maybe. And they were like, you can go back to
Speaker:seeing patients in a week. Like, there's no. You know, he was. They're like, if
Speaker:you feel fine, there's not really a recovery period here. Just
Speaker:don't overdo it. Don't do more than you would have done before.
Speaker:And so, like, a week later, he was back to seeing patients. But he wore
Speaker:a hat. He got like this, like, I don't know, like, page boy hat thing.
Speaker:And he wore that. And it was. It was kind of cute. But he didn't
Speaker:take the hat off just because he didn't. I don't know that a lot of
Speaker:people want to see their psychiatrist with a giant scar on his brain. And
Speaker:so he would see his patients. He could type better. He was able to
Speaker:get up and hand charts back to people. He would do dishes
Speaker:at home. It was like all this little stuff that, like, everybody's, like,
Speaker:not pleased about doing that. He was, like, so happy to be able to do
Speaker:again. But anyway, so every time he saw patients, he wore a hat. And for
Speaker:the most part, nobody said anything about it. And sometimes people would come in and
Speaker:say, I like your hat. He would say, thanks, I like it, too. It was
Speaker:probably a month after he went back to work, maybe not even.
Speaker:This woman comes in, and she does not
Speaker:stop crying the whole time. And it's the psychiatrist's office that happens
Speaker:sometimes. Every word out of her mouth is like a gulp of air as
Speaker:she's trying to tell us what's happening. And I couldn't get very
Speaker:much out of her before she went in for her actual visit. And so I
Speaker:tried to do her intake, and I was able to get most of the things
Speaker:I needed out of her for her intake, but she was just so, so emotional.
Speaker:And it turned out that she had just left her neurosurgeon's office,
Speaker:and she had horrific, horrific
Speaker:pain in her neck that was caused by,
Speaker:I want to say, some sort of pinched nerve or
Speaker:something that had to be surgically relieved. The only way that the pain was
Speaker:going to go away was surgical relief. The problem was
Speaker:that she had severe cardiac issues,
Speaker:fairly recent cardiac intervention, and was on
Speaker:anticoagulants. And she had gone to a bunch of doctors, and all of them
Speaker:said they wouldn't do the surgery because it was too high risk because she was
Speaker:on anticoagulants. And so I walk into his office. I
Speaker:put the chart down. I had gotten her story prior. I put the chart down,
Speaker:and I looked at him, and I was like, you're not gonna believe what this
Speaker:woman's story is. And he says, I mean, I believe you, but do you want
Speaker:to tell me? I was like, okay, fine. So I explained that she's in severe
Speaker:pain all the time. She went to, like, her last hope
Speaker:doctor, and the doctor said he wouldn't do the surgery because it was too high
Speaker:risk because she was on anticoagulants. And I was like, I didn't tell
Speaker:her, but I think you should. And he was like, oh, no, I'm going
Speaker:to handle this. And so she walks in and sits down,
Speaker:and I will never. He looks at her, and he
Speaker:says, I'm gonna do something that I don't do. I'm gonna take
Speaker:off my hat. And he takes off his hat, and you see this giant
Speaker:scar. And she kind of. She kind of reacts a little bit to it, but
Speaker:she's still crying, tearful. And he says,
Speaker:I recently had a procedure to put a stent in to
Speaker:drain fluid off my brain because I was Having trouble walking. And it really was.
Speaker:It got to the point where either somebody fixed this, or I don't wanna live
Speaker:anymore because I can't live my life like this anymore. And when I got to
Speaker:the finish line to have the procedure, they told me no. For
Speaker:very similar reasons. You ended up here because
Speaker:I have the research, the documentation, and the
Speaker:doctors who will do it. I'm gonna go talk to my team. I'm gonna go
Speaker:give them some marching orders. Your doctors are playing defensive medicine and protecting
Speaker:themselves and not doing the right thing for you. That's not okay. And we're
Speaker:gonna get this straightened out. And she said, but I came to you because I'm
Speaker:depressed. I didn't come to you. I have pain. And he goes,
Speaker:what's the difference? Would you be depressed if you didn't have pain? Would you be
Speaker:depressed if you didn't just get told no by the 10th person? And she goes,
Speaker:no, probably not. And he goes, that's not a depression.
Speaker:That's a reasonable reaction. People are not helping you, and you need help.
Speaker:So he walks out his new trick walking. And he says,
Speaker:I need this doctor on the phone, this doctor on the phone, this doctor on
Speaker:the phone. I need this imaging for her so I can send it over to
Speaker:them. I need these three things done, and I need
Speaker:the documentation that you got from the Cleveland Clinic. We put it
Speaker:all together. We sent her to his doctors. She came
Speaker:back a week later, before she had even had
Speaker:anything done, before she had even had anything done. And she was like a different
Speaker:person. And he said, you look like a totally different person. Like, did
Speaker:they figure out. You know, did they figure out anything? And she goes, well, no.
Speaker:I mean, I'm going to get scheduled for surgery, but I feel so much better.
Speaker:And he says, so the pain's better? And she goes, oh, no, no, the pain's
Speaker:still terrible. But, like, there's a chance I'm gonna get
Speaker:to live my life again. Like, that's genuinely all I care about. It would have
Speaker:been really easy for him to say, well,
Speaker:we have to listen to my colleagues. My colleagues say that they can't
Speaker:safely do the surgery. But he had been there a month before,
Speaker:a month before. Like, how does that happen? How does this. This person end up
Speaker:in his office literally a month after we did that? And he
Speaker:had resigned to the fact that if this didn't get fixed, his life was over
Speaker:and he was miserable. She came back a totally different person. Not
Speaker:because he did anything. He did do things. He set the
Speaker:whole thing in Motion. And he did a heroic amount just because he happened to
Speaker:have the access and the ability to do those heroic things. But he didn't
Speaker:physically do anything. The only thing he actually did for her,
Speaker:aside from coordinating some of these things that other people would not coordinate, is
Speaker:listen. And by listening, gave her back the hope
Speaker:that she had lost by talking to this other guy the day before
Speaker:who had taken away her last shred of hope that this would actually get
Speaker:better. She did end up having the
Speaker:surgery. I wanna say he actually put her on a tricyclic antidepressant
Speaker:before that. Not for the depression, but because it also has efficacy for pain.
Speaker:And that was the first thing, the first pain medicine that actually helped her. But
Speaker:I also don't know that it had anything to do with the medication. I think
Speaker:it had everything to do with the fact that she felt like somebody actually gave
Speaker:a shit, which is sorely lacking in a lot of things that we do currently.
Speaker:She came back, I want to say within six months, she had surgery.
Speaker:Within seven or eight, she was back to living her life,
Speaker:happy as a clam. She kept coming back.
Speaker:And like, psychiatrists don't usually treat happy people.
Speaker:It's like once people are back to baseline, they usually tell you to
Speaker:get bent and leave nicely. But she
Speaker:didn't. She was like. She loved coming in just to say hi.
Speaker:And we really weren't doing anything for her at that point. But our office
Speaker:represented the turning point between having absolutely
Speaker:no hope, wandering into the office for the one person in the
Speaker:world that literally had the skills, the provider, the understanding,
Speaker:and the know how to get this done. For her, all he had
Speaker:to do is take off his hat. So when all else fails, take off your
Speaker:hat
Speaker:for this week's small talk again, remember, this is something we do every week. My
Speaker:kids are in a tooth losing phase and
Speaker:not because anybody's knocking them out, which is both great. And, I don't know,
Speaker:it does look a little bit of a disappointment, but it's fine. And for some
Speaker:reason, when one of them loses a tooth, they're two years
Speaker:apart. When one of them loses a tooth, the other one loses one within, like
Speaker:a day. It's just been, like, constant. And so it
Speaker:does look like we are letting them punch each other in the mouth because of
Speaker:the number of missing teeth between the two of them. But it's just the way
Speaker:it's working. My youngest lost a tooth that we knew was going to
Speaker:come out because she had been messing with it nonstop and talking about it nonstop
Speaker:for, like, Two days. But that same night, actually,
Speaker:after I went to bed, my oldest lost a tooth that had been kind of
Speaker:bugging her for a while, but she's less fixated on
Speaker:things. And so neither of us realized that she was getting ready to lose tooth.
Speaker:So we had prepped the appropriate things for
Speaker:the initial tooth losing, and then the
Speaker:secondary tooth losing had to happen without me
Speaker:because I was already asleep, and I didn't know what happened. My husband did.
Speaker:I did not. So my oldest comes down the next day,
Speaker:and she says, mom, look. And she shows me that she lost a tooth. And
Speaker:I was like, oh, that's so cool. Did the tooth fairy come? And she
Speaker:says, yeah, tooth fairy came. I was like, awesome. Then she
Speaker:came in later. She goes, I don't know. I think the tooth fairy must have
Speaker:found out about my tooth late because she
Speaker:only left me $1.75. And I was like, was she supposed
Speaker:to leave you a different amount? And she goes, well, usually I get $2.
Speaker:She'll leave me $1.75. And I was like,
Speaker:maybe that's what people are getting for tooth that day. I don't know.
Speaker:Is it a problem? And she goes, no. I'm glad she brought me stuff. But,
Speaker:you know, it was just weird. I don't know. It felt like maybe she ran
Speaker:out or something. And I was like, okay. So that part
Speaker:comes out of her mouth, and I just happened to. She was standing next to
Speaker:my desk, and I just happened to kind of turn and look at her as
Speaker:she said it. She was fidgeting with something in her hands, and that part
Speaker:comes out of her mouth, and then there's just this, like, fleeting thought
Speaker:that you can see pop across her head, her brain. She looks at
Speaker:me and goes, wait, is the tooth fairy even real? It was like getting
Speaker:punched in the stomach, and I was not prepared.
Speaker:I was not ready. I'm usually, like. I usually have a speech
Speaker:plan for all of these, like, seminal life moments, and I was not there.
Speaker:I did not think we were going there from. I got shorted a quarter.
Speaker:Like, that is not what I thought was happening. And I'm
Speaker:usually, like, really good on my feet. And I just went,
Speaker:what? And she goes, I don't know. It's just kind of weird that I only
Speaker:got $1.75. I don't know. And I went, that doesn't seem
Speaker:like a reason for somebody to not be real. She just kind of gave up
Speaker:on it very quickly and walked out. And I was like, oh, my God, we're
Speaker:there. We're there. We have deductive reasoning skills, and we're
Speaker:using them. And I was not prepared, and I don't know what to do. Oh,
Speaker:God. Christmas is only a couple of months away. I'm
Speaker:Jewish. I don't know how to handle this. If she figures that out,
Speaker:my entire life is over. She is officially too old. I
Speaker:can no longer be her mother. Oh, God. I
Speaker:genuinely felt like I got punched in the stomach. I went up to my husband
Speaker:and not knowing if the kids were any or shadow at all, I said, hey,
Speaker:did the tooth Fairy give her $1.75?
Speaker:And he goes, yeah, that's what the tooth fairy had.
Speaker:And I was like, okay, so if you could just let the
Speaker:tooth fairy know that the non round amount
Speaker:got some little wheels turning and we might have a
Speaker:situation now. And I got to see the same thing go across my
Speaker:husband's face that I had just experienced. And he was like, no, no, no, no,
Speaker:no, no, no, no. We're not ready. I will say
Speaker:that we have kept them. She's older than she should be,
Speaker:but they're still homeschooled and they aren't around a
Speaker:lot of children who will crush their dreams. And so it doesn't come up very
Speaker:often. We've gotten them for longer than I think most
Speaker:families do. But I was not prepared. And I swear to God, it was like
Speaker:watching the innocents just, like, escape from her little brain. And I was just
Speaker:like, oh, no. I wasn't ready for the reasoning
Speaker:skills. Take them back. I don't want them. I've dealt with the height. I've
Speaker:dealt with the sassiness. I've dealt with the edge. I've dealt with the eye
Speaker:rolling. I was. I did not sign on
Speaker:for deductive reasoning skills. We are not ready
Speaker:for that. Take them back and bring me back my little
Speaker:squish baby. So if you need me, I'm gonna go cry in the corner and
Speaker:sing Sunrise Sunset while I figure out how to,
Speaker:I don't know, turn back time. Cause I'm not ready. I'm
Speaker:not ready. Thanks for being here, guys. Have a good day. Love you. Mean
Speaker:it.
Speaker:Oh, he's back. And he just licked my entire arm
Speaker:from my wrist to my elbow. He
Speaker:dragged his tongue across it.