>> RB: Foreign

M.

>> Jonathan: You guys out there tuning in today to

Chasing Birdies. We're glad you're here. Whether you're driving

in a car, sitting on a couch, or in an airplane,

we know that today we are going to have something

important to talk about here on this

episode of Chasing Birdie. So, my man J.P. what's going

on?

>> RB: Hold on, let me adjust this Zen.

>> Jonathan: Oh, um, you're on a Zen train. You're in Zimbabwe.

>> RB: Yeah, uh, I'm in, I guess. I

don't know. Yeah,

I had a really stressful day. I was so aggravated the one

day I pulled off on the turnpike heading back

from York, uh,

Pennsylvania, back to Pittsburgh.

All this tariff talk. I wanted a

cigar. I don't smoke in my car. So

I stopped and I said, um, can I get Zins?

And the person looked at me like, well, what

flavor? And I said, well, what flavors are available?

And she didn't get past citrus. And I said,

give me the citrus threes.

>> Jonathan: Oh, my God.

>> RB: And it's been nice, dude. It's nice. Little, like, I, uh,

haven't smoked as many cigars, so. I don't know. I don't know. I

don't know.

>> Jonathan: You and JR Hess love the citrus. It probably

really, actually is a benefit

to you, though, for someone that is partly

addicted to the full rush of

nicotine with something in their mouth as a

cigar. Um, this is probably a

good thing for you, dude.

>> RB: So we're here, and I feel kind of cool, like, you know, you

put the little puck in the back pocket, let people know

it's there. Um, I got yelled at on the

plane. You're not allowed to do it on the airplane or it's not allowed to be

out. Um.

>> Jonathan: Which I don't get why they.

>> RB: Said it's illegal, but the guy's

like, listen, I don't care. He's like, I'm just telling you because my.

My counterparts do care.

So either way,

um, today's episode is brought to you by Red Family. Make sure

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the Chasing Birdies 2 man is brought to you by

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we're just gonna cut it off there. Another people. If somebody wants to join, they

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And the way people are paying, we might

not have an event, so. But, yeah, it's exciting

stuff.

So, uh, m. We had a

good little hiatus there. A little break, I

shall say. But we did some videos, the Masters

videos. And let's talk about that.

>> Jonathan: Man, let's talk about what

happened catching up here

on this episode. It's been a while since we had an episode with,

with a guest on the show, which we'll get into that. But,

man, this goes back before the Masters, which has now been

a couple of weeks. That, um, was one of the

most, as we all know, thrilling

Masters in a long time.

>> RB: Yes.

>> Jonathan: I mean, I think 20. What was it? 20?

Uh, 18 was the last time there was a playoff to decide

to winner, which, in fact, I happen to be at.

But, uh, no. Dude, I was so Happy to

see McElroy M. Get it done. I mean, how could you not?

>> RB: There's a couple things that

your average golfer won't recognize

that went down in those last few holes.

Um, you know, Bob

Rotella, who works with

McElroy, is big on sticking to

your game plan. What got you in the situ. You know, what

got you in a place to be in the lead by three, four,

um, whatever it may be. Um, so when he

got the 13, he took three wood out. Seemed like a great

play, right? Um, but he had driver every

time on that hole. Thursday,

Friday, Saturday, he had three wood. Sunday goes to lay

up flares this

wedge that he could have hit 45ft past the. The

pin. Now, if

he hits driver, he's going for it. And two,

obviously, even if he's not, he's laying

up towards the. The short of the creek.

Really short of the creek. Or if he goes for and two and hits

in the creek, he's dropping right at the creek.

So that's one thing.

Second thing. I don't know if a lot of people noticed, but

his. Him walking from 18t in

regulation to his second shot, he was hyperventilating. He

literally was hyperventilating.

And if you pay enough attention to routines on

the PGA Tour, they are, you know, let's

just say, uh, like Padre Harrington's routines. Like 43 seconds on

the dot. Every time it's the same.

His routine was so quick, he just wanted

to get it out of the way that second shot, and he pushed it

right into that bunker. He goes to hit his

third bunker, that third shot out of the bunker, which was a

fabulous shot. I'm not saying that, but I'm saying it was all up to

it. The camera panned away from

him to show the crowd it almost didn't catch him.

Bunker shot because he was hitting it so quickly.

It's almost like he just wanted to get it out of the way.

And, um, when he. He pulled that putt

it was a right edge putt. And I'm thinking, oh, my God.

But, man, did he step up with some

kahunas in that second shot. Stuffed

it, made the putt. And you talk

about. We've witnessed a lot

of great moments in sports history

in our life that might have been the most

relieved

athlete you've ever seen in your whole entire life.

>> Jonathan: Hands, um, down.

>> RB: So it was really cool to see. I mean, it was awesome to see him

just soak it in like, it was like a kid dude.

And I firmly believe, and I said this on the episode that you're going to be

hearing today. I firmly believe he's going to have three

or four majors in the next three

to four years. Um, yeah, you

know, the PGA is at Quill Hollow. Love

that course for him. He's one there and he loves it.

Yeah, Oakmont, I think, is a great

course for him if he can get that putter hot.

Uh, I'm not worried about his. But one at a time

drivers or anything. And then the British Open,

I think. Is it in

Ireland?

>> Jonathan: I have no idea.

>> RB: I think it's in Ireland. Um, I think it's. What if it is

Port Rush? I think.

>> Jonathan: I don't think it's a Porsche Port Rush, but.

>> RB: Well, uh, wherever.

>> Jonathan: Port rush, like 23 or

4. Either

way, if it's in Northern Ireland or Ireland, then you might be

right. I. I don't think it's at Port Rush. Fact

checkers. Hey, are you guys over there? Can you fact check this for us,

please, so we can. Thank you. Thank you. But yeah, dude,

my.

>> RB: My Palm Dunloose got course.

>> Jonathan: Okay. Never heard of it. Wait, I don't know.

>> RB: No, it is. It is. Sorry. It's the Royal Port

Rush in Northern Ireland. So I was right

and all you fact checkers are wasting your

time.

>> Jonathan: Well, they just confirmed. The lady over there in the corner just told

me.

>> RB: So, um, Royal Port Rush 2025. So, I

mean, he could win one or two in the next three this year. I

firmly believe.

>> Jonathan: I was absolutely ecstatic for that win.

And my palms are so sweaty watching that final

round, especially the final hole when he

was, ah, attempting to hit that bunker shot. Dude, my. My

palms were just sweating. Naturally, I had some coin riding on the

guy, um, which we won't get into that.

But the point being is I was. I was a little

bit on edge. A little?

>> RB: Well, I mean, it was. We won't get into the exact numbers, but it was

like you made the cut, but finished last in the cut line,

so congratulations. To you, it's like you played

in the Masters. Um, yeah, but it was,

it was fun to text with you and see what you're gonna do.

Um, but congratulations, bud. I mean, thanks for.

>> Jonathan: I appreciate it. I appreciate it. Yeah, the, the

move, taking Justin Rose after he

birdie 12 and then

he somehow ends up in the lead after 17

or 16, whatever. And that thing was just like.

I'm. Like, I'm out, cash out, jumping off.

So it was a great. A lot of luck. A lot of luck. But then the

following week, this past weekend in Hilton Head at the

rbc, we go into another playoff

scenario. This time, fan favorite J.T. gets it

done on the 18th hole, makes birdie

at Harbortown against Andrew Novak. Now, I

don't know if anybody knows about this Andrew Novak cat, but apparently he played

golf at, uh, Wofford, which I know Wofford simply

because of their bulldogish type

logo. Because

the Terriers. Yeah, in basketball, I

love taking WOFFORD, you know, plus 16 and a half.

So my man's really starting to play good. He's got a couple top

10 finishes right now. But that was a thrilling.

That was a thrilling golf tournament, you know,

and I didn't realize. Did you know that

that tournament has been playing every

year at harbor town since

1969? That's

56 years.

>> RB: Yeah.

>> Jonathan: That is insane.

>> RB: And I think a lot of the PGA Tour players like it because small

greens, they're really small greens at Harbor.

>> Jonathan: Town.

>> RB: Past, um, guest Colton Ost. I think he shot his career low

on Harbor Town. Um, and he

hits, you know, five hybrid

195 yards. So, um.

But yeah, it was, it was a great finish. I actually

watched the playoff. JT

smoked one down there. There guy Novak hit it

15 yards by him, but he pulled his second shot.

JT hit to about 20ft and just jarred it. It would

mean with center cut the whole way. And again, another one

hasn't won in three years.

You know, that's the first time

that in any of his wins that he had to make a putt on

18 to win.

So everything else he said just happens.

It's already been a win. You know, he had two, three shot lead,

whatever. That was the first time he's ever had to win in a

playoff. And I make a

bomb.

>> Jonathan: Yeah, that was hella

good. Look at me.

>> RB: He's been in mix like I'm studying. You see this,

bud?

>> Jonathan: You're like Jim Nance. I mean, my God, this is

incredible.

>> RB: So, uh, what's been going on with you, bud?

>> Jonathan: No, man, just living a dream, you know, playing a

little G. I want to say a couple shout outs to some hole in one

guys. Carson Verzella recorded his first hole

in one ever in Scottsdale, Arizona last

week. So shout out cv. And then our

boy IPA on Easter day knocks it

in at the wood Sugar wood, apparently

for his hole in one on Easter day.

So all glory to you, ip. Uh, congrats,

boys, on the hole in ones. I got a chance to play golf

with Steve Peering, Eric Childers and

Adot at Pete died last week in Bridgeport.

And my God, was that course incredible. I mean,

Peering, uh, you know, he wasn't riding with

me, so his game was a little better than what it's

been in the past. So, um, I don't know, man. It

was, it was just a lot of fun seeing those boys. They,

uh, missed you. They want. They wanted me to tell you hello. So that's what

I'm doing.

>> RB: That's nice. And Steve Piering asked me to

like. Where are you going? I'm going to

Denver. You want me to set up golf? I appreciate it,

bud, but you were the last person that I would want

setting golf up for me. I'll fly across the

world with my golf clubs thinking I'm playing somewhere,

and I show up to this public golf course and I don't even

have a tee time. So I just drag my clubs all the way out here and don't have a

tee time. So, no, I appreciate the thought, but I'm

handle my own golf, um, when I, when I

need that.

>> Jonathan: Well, there we go. So

today's guest, Jake Stoutland, joining us here on

I love you, but he does.

He does. We all do. Stout,

um, land on Instagram. This guy has the

most entertaining factual videos

of golf knowledge. Whatever you want. He puts

it out there. Has a great following. Really, uh,

starting to make a little name for himself in this, in this whole world of

social media. And thanks to Pepe for knocking on his

door multiple times. Multiple times. Kind of

reminded. Probably takes you back to high

school a little bit. Just banging down the doors. We, uh, we

got him on. And it's a fabulous episode.

>> RB: It's. It's an awesome episode. And like you said, I. I've been

knocking his door down. Gets a lot of messages so

that I don't feel as bad. Um, but persistence

overcomes resistance. My mom always told me that. So here we

are. But really looking forward

to this episode for everyone. And I, uh,

think we should just roll on over to Jake.

>> Jonathan: Yep, let's do it here on Chasing

Birdies, man.

It's been a while since we've had a fresh new episode of

Chasing Birdies, especially with a guest. I know

Pep and I have been yucking it up a bunch, both of us, but we're kind of

tired of that. Not really. But

today we are joined by a fabulous guest. You may know

him from Instagram, YouTube,

all his facts that he has that will blow your mind.

I don't even know how you know these facts, but Jake Statland is joining

us here on Chasing Birdies today,

and my man, thanks for coming on the show.

>> Speaker C: Yeah. Appreciate you guys having me excited to be here.

>> Jonathan: Yeah, I love it, dude. You know, Peps,

Pep's been telling me about you now for two

months at least, and he's like, man, this, this guy,

these stories, this whole vibe, man. So, yeah, we're

absolutely stoked.

>> RB: I'll tell you what.

>> Speaker C: Oh, I hope I can live up to the hype.

>> RB: Yeah. I'll tell you what, kids. Don't give up. Don't ever give

up. I sent enough messages to this guy to.

To get him on. He finally responded, so here we are.

>> Speaker C: Yeah, sorry, I. I do

get a lot, and it's really hard to keep

track. So, yeah, just be persistent. That's great

advice.

>> RB: See, that's the moral of the story, right? There's a.

>> Jonathan: Keep knocking doors down. Yeah, keep knocking doors.

>> RB: I do have to say, you know, I'm gonna get this started

because you were talking about, uh,

you had a video that, um, you were

talking about the craziest, wildest

names in. In golf, right? And I

think you came up on number seven or eight, and

it's Yakagi Country Club, which is in my

backyard, in which I grew up there. I still play

there. How did you even

get a hold of that name? I mean, because it's not like it's

a well known name, but did

somebody send you that?

>> Speaker C: Yeah. So a lot of this stuff now, when

I first started the account, it was my knowledge, but my

knowledge only got so far. Turns out my base

knowledge of golf was good enough to

build a really good following

of golf nuts. People who just love

golf and love golf for

the most organic reasons. And that's a

really good cohort of people. As time

went on, follower count got

bigger and got more people kind of on the wagon.

And I've been using Instagram

stories as a, uh, almost an

idea crowdsourcing tool. And

there's so many good ideas. There's so many more knowledgeable people

about Golf than I am. I'm, like, pretty knowledgeable,

but there are so many people that are more knowledgeable than I am, and I'm

aware of that. And so, yeah, somebody sent me that

one, and I said, okay, you gotta send me a voice

message, like, pronounce, uh, how to

pronounce this club's name, because I don't want to butcher

it. And he. I think I can't remember who did it, but

they sent me. They sent me a couple, and I sent them back. I

said, yaka ganey Yakageni. And

he's like, bingo. I'm like, okay. Boom.

>> RB: I would love to know if I know this person, because, again, uh,

this golf course is in the middle. We're in the

middle of western Pennsylvania. It is a hidden

little gem, and it's like

6,500 from all the way backs, but the greens are really

fast, rough gets tall. But, um, man, when

I saw that, I was sending it to all the boys, uh, that are members

over there with me, and we were just

laughing so hard because it's like, how. How did you get this

name? So it's interesting to hear that.

>> Jonathan: I mean, it is a cool track, you know, there's no doubt about it.

He's kind of got that old country club feel. You know what I mean?

Um, they got it.

>> Speaker C: That's what I've. The coolest part

about what I've. What I'm

starting to build is the relationships and the people

I get to meet, and then the insight that I

learn that that is a golf club that I never would

have found, I never would have knew about.

But I have people

that send me stuff that, I mean,

it's sometimes easy to, like,

figure out who is. Knows what they're talking about,

who's not, just by how you write or. There's a lot of, like,

indicators now that I've gotten so many messages.

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> Speaker C: And it's pretty clear. Sometimes somebody will send me something. It's like, oh, this

person knows. And I'm gonna, like, Google this. And. Oh,

uh, they're right. So,

yeah.

>> Jonathan: You know, when. Whenever you're doing something like this with respect

to your. Your page and whatnot. I mean, it is

in essentially a business, you. You know, so you start

from that ground level. You try to put out what you know, like you

said, all the knowledge, you know, but then you kind of hit a ceiling in that regard.

But how did you keep it going? Because there's so

many things on your page that just

not only would. Would. Would like, like

Me personally, I'd ever think about. But the fact

that you know it to a, uh, T. Like, for example, the

title is Golf Ball. The guy taking X rays of

the ball. Like, that is such a. A fact

of golf that I guarantee you most people

don't know.

>> Speaker C: Yeah, I think that's true. And

sometimes I have to remind myself that

what people I hang around with at the golf club

know, most of the world probably doesn't know.

So I do have an advantage where I've spent

a lot of time at the golf course in my life,

and since about the

past 10 years, I've taken an interest in. I,

uh, don't know, this might be not the nicest or elegant way

to say, but the finer things in golf architecture and

just the nuances that go into making an

experience special,

and I think that

quality is just. It's being

observant, being very observant. And I've

been able to travel

to a lot of really special places. And when I go there,

I'm not. It's, uh, not just like

going in one ear, out the other. I'm eyes wide open. I'm taking

notes. Um, I'm, um, watching everything.

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> Speaker C: And so to answer your

question, like, how do I find these stories and how

some. Most of them are kind of given to

me, but, like, somebody will send me an idea

or, you know, I just. I'll go on Google and I'll just

start searching stuff. I mean, that. That story actually

was. It's on Titleist's homepage. It says

the whole story right on the homepage of about. On the

Titleist. I mean, it's right there. Now,

the. The nuance there is

storytelling. Yeah, that's. That's

what makes this. That's what makes that video do

good. And I. Once you get the story,

it's like, okay, the easy. That's like the easy part. Now you have to tell the

story. That's the hard part. And that's where

I think, um, I've gotten pretty good at doing.

>> Jonathan: Oh, yeah. Uh, no doubt about it.

Like, you. You. Because, you know, nowadays with

videos, what we've learned here with our podcast is that,

like, people will look at a video or a reel. They may

only watch it for eight to 10 seconds, you know,

but how do you captivate someone into

to watching the whole thing? And I think you exhibit

that so well because your storytelling, you know,

your. The way you use your words, the excitement

in your voice, but it's like, I just want to sit there. I'll sit there. And watch your

videos. I'm like, uh, right, this one, check this one out.

Ben. Ben Curtis, the guy ranked

369 and, oh, three wins the British Open. I mean,

shit like that. That it's like, you know,

I don't know. It's cool stuff, man. For golf junkies, it's great.

>> RB: Yeah, it is.

>> Speaker C: That's. That's the learning here. It's.

You need to focus on a really small

group of people or person. And almost I'm

talking to myself, like, what would Jake want to

know five years ago that he didn't?

And I'm my own audience. And some

of the stuff I make, like the, the Ben Curtis

one, I don't think that got a lot of views. I was proud of that video. And I

felt like when I learned that, I was like, oh, my gosh, I did

not know the story. And this was like, really cool.

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> Speaker C: But to. To hit on something you said at

the beginning was like, watch time. And how do you

get people to hang around in short form there?

I've learned a lot. I got lucky early on because

I, I hit a couple home runs with my first, like,

three videos and I was like, oh, this is

easy. And it's not.

But it's not easy.

I got lucky, but I kept showing up because I went

through it. Well, uh, at least to me. It felt like I

started off really hot and then it just was like

grind, you know, you weren't getting. I, um, mean, I wasn't

getting six figure views on any videos. And I was like, okay, just

put, put your head down. You got to get through this. But what I learned is there's

like, uh, three things you need to do in

the first three seconds that are absolute

must for short form video. I can go down that, but this

isn't really short form video podcast, so I'll leave that. But they're

like, there are parts.

>> RB: I know. We need it. Tell us.

>> Speaker C: You need a visual cue,

like on the screen. You need a visual text that

tells people, like in a minute or two, for a second

or two, you need something that comes across the screen. If you watch any of my

videos, you'll see there's a text now coming across the screen

and it's moving. It's not just there already.

You want it to come in and people's eyes see

that. So that's like their first dopamine. Uh, hit. The

second one is. You'll see there's pictures above me talking

that are going fast. They need to match

very well to the text coming across

the screen, they need to match what that's saying

very well. And that visual cue on the screen needs to

be enticing. And then the third thing

is actually what you're saying, that's also very important.

But I think it's probably the third most important part.

But they're all important, and if you don't nail all three of those,

good luck.

>> Jonathan: Yeah, you need it all. That's the ingredient.

>> RB: Well, Bash, it looks like your job just got a little harder.

>> Jonathan: You know, it's funny talking about this golf stuff and

some things that people don't realize or don't know and all this

cool stuff. And I think what I'm about to say, I

think a lot of people know this, but to the

extent of how legitimate it is, is really

surprising to me. And. And I just golfed last month

with a, uh, member from Butler, and I was talking to him about

the no. The no menu that they have. Like, literally,

it's like, hey, if you go to Butler national, they don't have a menu.

So I brought that up to him. I'm like, hey, man, I'm like, you know, the no

menu thing, I've been there. Pep and I've been there, you know, and

naturally, we know it's true, but to what extent can you really push.

Push it? And he's all, dude,

it's 100% legitimate. Like, they literally

say, whatever the hell you want. We will get you

anything. And they try to screw them. They try to tell them, like, stuff

like sushi, for example, and then they're asking them if they want tuna

or salmon, like, they make anything happen. And to

me, that is unbelievable

as a club to just roll out and say, no menu. Whatever you

guys want, we got you. And it's legitimately true.

>> RB: The first time I was at Butler national, that was

my experience. They came over and said, what would you like to order? And I said,

well, uh, I haven't received the menu yet. There's no

menu. What would you like? And I said, well, I said,

what's really good right now? And the lady said, our

swordfish is out of this world. And I

said, I'll take it, because

it's just easier, right next thing.

Well, which sides do you want? I need

options. Just whatever. Throw something on there.

>> Speaker C: That's awesome. These are the experiences that

you remember. These are the experiences you remember. And

I've realized also that we

almost don't play golf

for this. I mean, a lot of people do play for the

score, and I do But I think, um, what I more go there

for is the experience. And it's not just

the golf course. It's everything. From the second you

pull in to the entrance to the.

To everything in between. I'm talking everything.

And these elite golf clubs, everything

are, uh, have. Have

identified every single touch point. And,

and like, you're talking about Butler National. That's unique. That's something you

remember forever. Like, where else can that happen

in the world?

>> Jonathan: Yeah, right. No, it is. It's a cool fact.

And, you know, and that's why I asked the question to him,

because I was like, really? How far can you push it? And he's like, there's

no limit. I mean, literally, whatever you want,

which.

>> Speaker C: Is overwhelming for me too. That would be over. I wouldn't know what

to. For each.

>> Jonathan: Yeah, I know.

>> RB: That's exactly what I did. I'm like,

I, uh, don't know. Cheeseburger. They'd be like, yeah.

Ah, we. Unfortunately, we don't have that one.

Um, but you talk about golf

experiences, and I think even Ryan,

um, and myself, when we walk away

from. From playing somewhere that we haven't

played, we, uh, talk about the vibe a lot.

And you talk about how the staff was,

or the food was, or this, that, and the other

as, uh, before it was just go play golf. You're in

and out. You drink beers and have fun.

Um, and we're. We're going down to Sage

Valley here in about a week and a half,

which the guys that I'm going with have

not been there yet, and I was there in the fall.

And you talk about a golf experience.

That one from top to bottom is like everything

there. You remember

everything. The caddies, the, the snack shops, the.

The pro shop, the bars, the restaurant. Like you remember it

all. And, and to me, It's.

It's like a 10, uh, out of 10 golf experience.

>> Jonathan: I'm excited to join you.

>> Speaker C: I haven't been there yet, but I've heard it's exquisite.

>> Jonathan: But I mean, again, the story of that too, you know, I guess the guy

was developing Walmarts or owned Walmarts or lands or

something to that effect.

>> Speaker C: Yeah, um, Walmart. And I don't know the

full story, but I think it had something to do with not being able

to, uh, enter, become a member at the

club down the road. So.

>> RB: Yeah, well, I actually played with the

owner's accountant in October, and I have

the story, so I'll share it with you.

>> Speaker C: Okay.

>> Jonathan: Secret. Secret sauce.

So, Jake, you, um, naturally are a lover

of Golf. You've been playing golf for a while, I take it. Uh, where are you

based out of?

>> Speaker C: Philadelphia.

>> Jonathan: Oh, you're Philly. Loaded.

>> RB: Oh, what a pocket of golf, dude.

>> Jonathan: Loaded. I mean, yeah. So you're not too

far from us. Um, where do you peg it up? Out that

way.

>> Speaker C: I'm in a little club called the Spring Haven

club, founded in 1896.

Our kind of little claim to fame is it's the first

course designed by a woman, Ida Dixon,

and notable name here in the Philadelphia region.

Well, there's been a lot of other architects that have kind of had their hands on

the course. William Flynn being probably the most notable.

But, um, great little club. It's not

long, short par 70, but,

um, you know, small greens, and they. When they want them

to get fast, they're lightning. And,

um, it's a. It's a. It can be a real

test. But I'm happy over there.

>> RB: Well, I mean, the. The Philadelphia golf.

I. I mean, I haven't played too much there, but the

Philly Cricket Club. Love that place.

Um, Bash. We played at Stonewall as

well, which, again, one of

the. One of my favorite logos is Stonewall with

the. The cow head holding the golf club. Um,

but there's so many good golf courses in Philly. It's. It's kind of

like that New York vibe, too, right? Like, there's pockets

just north of the city of New York, I believe. And. And it's

just, you know, you got your wing foots and

Westchesters and all that. So, um,

that northeast, we talk about it all the time.

>> Speaker C: The golden age.

>> Jonathan: I'm actually.

>> Speaker C: I was actually thinking about doing a video explaining, like,

why, how did this happen? And the

short answer is that's the industry

in 1900. That's where the wealth was.

New York, Boston, Philadelphia.

And that's where all the money was coming through. That's where all the.

There was, um, a lot of wealthy people. There was demand for

golf, and therefore the best architects

were there most mostly. And you got the

best land and the best golf courses. Now, I

think the best golf courses might m. Be biased.

>> Jonathan: Best region. No, no, no, I don't disagree with you at all. I

think that that northeast region

is.

>> RB: Well, even western Pennsylvania. I mean, you look at western

pa, where we are. I mean, Ryan's in

Morgantown, um, which he's at

Pikewood National. Pete, uh, Dye and

Greenbrier. So he's at a few.

Um, but then on western

Pennsylvania side, you know, we. We've got the Laurel Valleys, the

Oakmonts the Fox Chapels, the Alleghenies. I

mean, it's just, you just keep going and it's like,

you know, again, a lot of people don't realize that.

>> Speaker C: I agree. A lot of people don't realize that whenever

they're, oh, ah, gainy drop, drop. Another

yakini. Um, Schuylkill too.

Schuylkill. Over here we got Schuylkill Country Club. That's another sneaky one.

But, um, I do a little video

where you, ah, kind of, kind of bait people or usually

like the best city in the world for golf is

one. You'd never guess. It's Philadelphia. And

I, I don't know. I really think from a. If you draw a

50 mile circle around the center of Philadelphia,

you're going to be hard pressed to beat it. Because if you did a 50

mile circle around New York City, you're not going to get

Long Island. Um,

so, like all those courses are out,

so I don't know. It's hard.

>> RB: Within 50 miles of Philly, isn't. What. How

far is Pine Valley is that?

>> Speaker C: Ah, 30 miles. Oh, no,

10, 15.

>> RB: It's because you cross that bridge and.

>> Speaker C: It'S, it's there, it's there. It's people

outside the region say, oh, Pine

Valley is not a part of the Philadelphia region. It absolutely

is. South Jersey is part of Philadelphia. In,

uh, my opinion. I mean, South Jersey, it's New Jersey. So

don't New Jersey people. It's New Jersey. I'm not saying

it's not new people.

>> Jonathan: What do you insinuate?

>> Speaker C: They're all coming into Philadelphia and that's

what it is. So.

>> Jonathan: Yeah, no, totally. I

know. There's no doubt about it. You'd

be hard pressed to, to lose an argument over that region

of being the best.

>> Speaker C: And then even like just outside, uh, you've

got Lehigh Country Club up in, um, that

area and Saucon Valley. Those are two

elite golf clubs. Uh, they're country

clubs, but elite.

>> Jonathan: I hear rolling green's pretty good too.

>> RB: Where. Bash, where's Taylor at? Lancaster, uh, Country

Club.

>> Speaker C: Lancaster. Lancaster. Ah, mispronunciation

there.

>> Jonathan: Um, what is it called? Lancaster.

>> RB: Lancaster.

>> Speaker C: Link, you can't. You guys will know. Like, I

get smoked on, uh, these.

If I mispronounce anything. It's just you're

getting the, you're getting people coming in with, like, their

pitchforks. Like, yeah, you mispronounced my

club. And I'm like, I'm not trying

to insult anybody. Like, come on, guys, calm

down.

>> Jonathan: So what is the proper Pronunciation.

>> Speaker C: Lancaster.

>> Jonathan: Lancaster.

>> Speaker C: Yeah.

>> Jonathan: Wow.

>> Speaker C: It's like.

>> Jonathan: Lancaster.

>> Speaker C: Lancaster.

Yeah, yeah, I know. Uh,

but that. That is an elite golf course. Lancaster

Country Club. That is one of my favorite.

And I. That's

not gonna say it. That's really high on my list.

Philly area. Really, really high. I love

it.

>> Jonathan: So tell us and the listeners out there, because I know we got

hundreds of them right now tuning in when this episode

drops. You know, give us a story of

yours that you might feel

is one of the most interesting finds or

learns that you've had that, you know, at the top of

your head that would make someone go, damn, I didn't know that. That's pretty

rad.

>> Speaker C: Ooh. Um, spot. All right,

so

we'll go, um. We'll go Sand Valley.

No, Sandhills.

>> Jonathan: Sandhills.

>> RB: Sandhills.

>> Speaker C: That's a bad. Sand Hills. I get those confused for some

reason. Sand Valley's in, um, Wisconsin. Sand Hills is

in Nebraska. In the middle of nowhere. So there

was this guy named Dick

Youngscap, and

he got an idea. He said, I want to build one of the best golf

courses in the world. And

he was searching for the perfect piece of land. He wasn't finding

it, but he finally found a piece of land that was

humongous, but he felt was like the perfect piece of land for

a golf club. It was four hours

away from Omaha, four

hours away from five hours away from Denver,

and the closest airport was one of those two. So

it's just. Or there's a private one that's

like an hour or so. It's in

the middle of nowhere. So that's a big problem.

And at this point in time, when he bought

or when he decided to do this, there was

not, um. There was

not known demand for a destination. Private.

Private golf club where members are. It's

a national membership, and people just come in for

a weekend or a couple days to golf.

But he had a real vision, and he

said, I'm going to do this. I'm going to go through with this.

So he picked the perfect piece of land. And the

second beautiful thing that he did is he hired Corin

Crenshaw, the architects. And the

coolest part about this is

they had their sum of money that he said, okay, here's the amount of

money for the golf course.

85% of the money was used on

irrigation. So, uh, in that. I'm

saying they didn't move any land. They went out there, they looked

around, and they said, this is a hole. This is a hole. This is a hole.

They planted grass, they put green sites,

they shaped green sites, but they weren't, they didn't move

land. The beautiful part about that is they

found a golf course in the middle of nowhere,

put up a golf club, and now it's the top

10 golf course in the world.

>> RB: That is story that is 85% of

their budget went on water.

>> Speaker C: Yeah. You're lining the, uh. Yeah, yeah.

Putting in the system, the lines.

>> RB: That's really cool. Now I've heard of Sandhills, and

I do the same thing that you did, so I get them confused

just because it's so similar.

>> Jonathan: I think Danny Woodhead was talking about Sandhills when we had him on

a.

>> Speaker C: While back because he's an epic place. I haven't been, but

I, I mean everybody that goes there is just. It's

experience like no other. And they have a pretty awesome

halfway house. Uh, burger. Apparently there's a guy that

sits there on the grill cooking burgers and the, the

cows are just right across the line there and he's like, yeah,

these are fresh.

>> Jonathan: If you guys, both of you were to build a

course or a club, what would be your

number one highlighted feature of this

club? Like what would it be?

>> Speaker C: Oh, I see my stance

on that. Is

there, uh, one thing, one elite thing isn't going to

make, make a golf club

great. So I don't know if I, I

mean, I guess the course, I mean the course needs to be

great, but I don't think just with an

elite course, I still don't think you

can. Well, maybe that's not true,

but I guess the course. I guess the question would

be you got to pick the right architect. So that's the answer. The

architect.

>> Jonathan: That's pretty good cigar.

>> RB: I would probably say the same thing now that I heard him say that,

but I would also probably focus on the vibe. I'm,

I'm a vibe guy, so I kind of hang. I would,

would focus on the hang and yeah,

making um, it fun because

I've played a few courses over the last couple years that,

you know, are built up to be something

special. And you play the course and you're kind of like, meh

m. The course is okay, but I

walk away and had a 10 out of 10 time and it was a

blast. And um,

so I, I think the vibe can

help make a decent course

better, so to speak.

>> Speaker C: I agree. I, I think but take.

Get that vibe. In my opinion,

there just needs to be a lot of things that happen. There needs to be

leadership that ah, enables the vibe. Yeah,

there needs to be the

employee. There's the whole. I mean, there's so much that goes into

it. There's so much. There's so much nuance there.

>> Jonathan: I think travel, destination golf is, is the way,

like, for some of these clubs that are, you know,

not close to us or you, and you want

to join on a national membership and be able to go there twice a

year for three days, take the boys, whatever. Um,

um, I think that has just grown in, in so

much popularity over the last five or ten years. And I don't know

why. I don't have any facts to back that up. It's just my opinion.

But all these club. You talk to different

people, different people, and they're at this club down there, they're over there,

they might go twice a year. But the fact

is people want to travel, to play good golf.

And ultimately getting back to what you said earlier, to

have a good time, the experience, that's what it is.

100%.

>> Speaker C: That's the, that. That's the

instinct in the brain. That's what, um, that's enable.

That's empowering these decisions of people to

do these things. It's like we want experiences that we can

talk about for the rest of our life, where we spend it with our

best friends and, uh, don't really have a lot

of worries out there. I think that's another reason

why, like, some of these clubs

really are strict on, like, the phone policy.

And I used to just think this was so stupid.

Like, I really didn't like it, but now I'm almost accepting

where it's like, now I have an embedded

excuse that's legit, that, hey, I was out of pocket

all day. I was over at this place and

get back to you tomorrow. Or like, there's like, it's a

reason, it's a real reason to just not deal with the phone. And

that's a breath of fresh air.

>> Jonathan: Well, and it keeps you present. I mean, at the end of the.

>> Speaker C: Day, that's the best. That's what it is.

I'm. I'm the worst. It's just, you're on

a golf course and suddenly you're looking at your phone. You're like, what am I doing? I'm at

the most beautiful place in the world. And why am I, like, in this

fantasy world?

>> Jonathan: I think we all are. It's true. It's like, it just keeps you present,

keeps you locked in.

Speaking of no phones, uh, and I know at this

point in time, this has been a couple weeks ago.

But the Masters recently wrapped up, and we got an

exciting. This set the stage for an

exciting remaining three majors, in my opinion.

You know, with the pga, the US Open at

Oakmont, and then naturally the Open Championship.

So Rory got the job done. He

finally got the monkey off the back. And, you know,

they were showing photos of him winning, and every

person in that crowd was just focused

on what was happening in that moment. No one had their phones out.

No one was video recording it, whatever. But

what was your take on the

2025 Masters

tournament?

>> Speaker C: Relieved. Proud. Not proud.

Relieved that Rory won. I.

I really felt I was

having, like, real sensations

of like, I want him to win, which I

really have never rooted for Rory that much in my life.

I mean, I like him, but,

you know, I'd always been like, Tiger for sure. And then if there's

other guys around, sometimes I like to root for other

guys. But this one was like, I'm, um, just I

want Rory when this so bad. And my heart was in my

throat on that eight, that putt on 18 in regulation. When

he missed it, I said, oh, my goodness, like, I can't even

imagine how I'd feel right now. But credit

to him, he compartmentalized that,

that and just hit a great drive on

18, hit a great wedge and finish

it off. So, yeah, relief.

That's my feeling still.

>> RB: I think that if he did not

win that thing,

number one, we'd be still talking about him not winning the

Masters next year or whatever. Um,

but I don't think Rory would be

this. I think this was a big career

swing for him. I don't think Rory would have been the

same player after losing the masters

with a three or four shot lead going into 13.

Essentially, it's wrapped up.

I mean, really, it is with, with his playing ability,

the way he's been playing, there is zero

chance he was going to lose this thing. And then all of a sudden, it just started

slipping, slipping, slipping. Now all of a sudden,

you know, a lot of people don't. Didn't

recognize his walk from 18T

in regulation to his second shot.

>> Jonathan: Mm.

>> RB: He m. Was hyperventilating. He was literally.

You could just see it in him. And

then also he

was very quick on his second shot. That's not being talked

about. He wanted to get it out of the way. He just

want. I mean, look at.

>> Speaker C: He was playing fast that last hole.

>> RB: He got in the bunker, the camera almost missed

him hitting that shot. Went out of the bunker on

18. And so

I say that because, you know,

uh, Dr. Bob Rotel is a good friend of the show, and

he works with Rory. But his big thing is,

why are you making this shot any more different

than the last 71 holes? Right? And I get

what. I get what you're gonna say, but

that got you here. Stick to it.

Stick to your routine on your second shot. I mean, for him to miss a

green from 115 yards is a wedge.

>> Jonathan: Especially when he was wedging it good. Other than 13,

that is insane to me.

>> Speaker C: Pressure.

>> Jonathan: I think there were two shots in that round

that exhibited his

not only skill set, but just where he was with

his game. And whether or not those shots had

any, they really didn't have an effect on the

outcome, because ultimately, the 18th hole played the

biggest effect on the outcome. But. But. But he

was dead off a seven tee

box. I mean, he was left. He was dead.

And he hit this shot over the tree. Didn't even know where

it was going to go. You know, swung as hard as he

swung as hard as he could, got that ball up.

Everyone's looking around for it, and it lands on the green. And

he himself, you could tell, was like, what in the hell just

happened? I didn't even think it was going to get there. He had nine iron from, like,

175, opened it up or whatever. But

that shot and then the shot on 15

when he hit that high, towering draw in there,

that in itself, just those

two shots. Again, not saying those had any effect

on the outcome, because I don't think they did. But I think that

just showed where he was in his mindset and his

ability to pull off a victory.

Um, and then naturally, you can argue the t

shot on 18 in the playoff. I mean,

that's how much pressure is on that shot.

Well, first off, he waited. How long did they wait

after 17 in regulation? They waited

because Oberg was botching 18 up.

They waited probably seven minutes before they teed off.

That hasn't.

>> Speaker C: That was. That was. It was an EP. Uh, I

thought it was over on 13. Tee Box. I went. I left the

house. I took my dog for a walk. Like, I thought

it was done. After he hit the 12 tee

shot, I did in my mind, like, okay,

where can this really go that much wrong? And I

was like, I guess if he hooks it off 13 like he did on

10 in 11, like, I

guess, but I don't. And then he hit the three wood, and I'm like, I don't

see. And then I walked in.

>> RB: What.

>> Speaker C: I don't know what happened between. He laid it Up. And I walked in, and

all of a sudden, like, they're zooming in on the ball

in the water on 13. I'm like, wow, did he

really do that? And then I'm like, oh, this was his third

shot. I thought he went for it in a second. That was his third shot.

>> RB: He would have been better off doing that.

>> Speaker C: He would have been, because he would have saved his stroke. But,

um, I. I just think

that the amount of pressure

that he felt.

>> Jonathan: Oh, my God.

>> Speaker C: Was just

incredible. He got over it, though.

So I would say, watch out.

Yeah, watch out.

>> RB: Well, in our lifetime, we're, you know, I'm

38 years old. I look like I'm 55.

Um, but in our

lifetime, we've seen amazing

athletes, right? All sports.

I don't think I've ever witnessed an

athlete, one of the best,

have such a relief from.

>> Jonathan: From.

>> RB: There was so many things that just came off his back there.

And I agree with what you just said. Watch

out. I would say he's gonna win four to five

majors over the next three or four years.

And this monkey is off his back. He

is. He is going to absolutely just roll

now.

>> Speaker C: Yeah, I'm here for it.

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> RB: I think Oakmont's perfect for him, too.

>> Jonathan: Well, how about Quail Hollow? I mean, he's won there.

>> Speaker C: Quail Hollow, he's known. But Oak. I can't wait for

Oakmont. Oh, man.

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> RB: And you've played there, right?

>> Speaker C: I haven't, but I've seen. I

should go out there, but I don't think I can do it before the

Open. But, um, I'll get out there. I

know. I know enough people out there that I could. But, um,

that's gonna. I cannot wait.

>> Jonathan: I know. And it's the same thing every time it comes to Oakmont.

>> RB: Or.

>> Jonathan: Actually, no, it's the same thing every year. Every

Open, is anyone gonna play?

Well, are they gonna eat it up? Blah, blah, blah. And then it's like,

you see what Bryson did at number two.

Um, but I do think Oakmont is going

to be an absolute test.

And I haven't been there. I haven't played in a couple of years

since the modifications were done. But from what I hear from people, from

what he and I hear, probably the same things you hear Jake.

It's like the course is going to be

absolutely bitching for that golf

tournament. So it's going to be fun to watch.

>> Speaker C: Oh, it's gonna be. I'm. I'm here for the day where

the weather changes. They get wind that goes from like 5

mph to 20 mph. Balls are not.

They can't stop on green. People are going crazy. They've

lost the course. Like, um, it could happen

at Oakmont. I mean, they. Those things. Those

greens are just diabolical.

>> RB: Was it Shinnecock?

>> Speaker C: Yeah.

>> RB: The one where that was an absolute mess with the greens.

>> Speaker C: Yeah.

Yeah, it was.

>> Jonathan: Yeah. That's where Phil. Remember Phil Mickelson? Yeah. He

just tries to stop it.

>> Speaker C: Yeah.

>> RB: Daily did.

>> Speaker C: He said, this ball's not rolling anymore. I'm hitting it

back.

>> Jonathan: I love. There's a part of me I don't care. At

the end of the day, I'm happy for whoever wins. Truthfully. Like,

that's a major championship. They work their ass off to get to that point.

So, like, I'm not going to say, oh, I'm disappointed somebody won

the major. No. But there is a part of me, and I told this

to Pep, naturally, outside of. In this case,

DeChambeau, who I love, and in

this specific tournament, Patrick Reed. But outside of that,

dude, you look at these guys that defected to

live and these majors in the last.

I don't know. They're nowhere to be found, dude.

Like, they're nowhere to be found in terms of. In

the mix.

>> Speaker C: Yeah, but I don't.

>> Jonathan: You don't know there's any correlation?

>> Speaker C: Well, how many people are on live and how many of

those live players are playing in the major?

And then what percentage of those are

finishing top 20? I don't. I don't think

it's. I think it's just when you go from that, like,

okay, how many players are in live? Let's say 100. I don't. I think

that's high. How many are playing in the Masters?

15.

>> Jonathan: 6. Yeah. 10.

>> Speaker C: 10. Okay. They had two in the top

10.

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> Speaker C: That's pretty good if you look at it like that.

>> Jonathan: In this case, it was. Yeah.

>> Speaker C: I just think they're getting, like, the.

The ranking system is not working in their favor because

all those guys are just losing out in points

everywhere. Um, it's obviously

not. It's not good for them, but I don't think that

those guys are, like, lesser players.

Koepko was right in it, and he

quadrupled 18 somehow. Yeah, Koepko

was. He was, like, right there.

>> Jonathan: And I'm not. Not rooting for them. Uh, and that's what I want to be clear

on with what I just said. Like, if Koepka's in the mix, dude,

I'm cool with it. It's all Good. But I just. From my perspective,

it's just like maybe. And maybe

I'm wrong for thinking that maybe my thought of them not

necessarily all being in the mix is just such a

terrible thought that it's not even worth talking about. But

again, it's just my perspective on it. Um,

and dude, I would love to see DJ

in the mix coming down the stretch. You know,

I'd love to see that. You know, I don't think

he's done, um, that Cam M. Smith. Cam Smith.

>> Speaker C: I like him. There's some guys I like over there. I like Koepka. I

think he's a killer.

>> Jonathan: I don't have an issue.

>> Speaker C: He's a. He's a, um. He's like a Michael Jordan out

there. He's just a killer.

>> Jonathan: Yeah. No.

>> RB: You know who I haven't heard in the last two years

of Matt Wolf.

>> Speaker C: Oh, he.

>> RB: You talk about two years.

>> Speaker C: I think it's been more than that gun.

>> RB: You, uh, didn't even hear about the guy?

>> Jonathan: Yeah, yeah, it's nothing.

>> Speaker C: He just started off so fast. Wing foot, was it?

>> RB: Yeah.

>> Speaker C: Top five or something? Yeah.

>> RB: Uh, that's a gem. Oh, man.

>> Speaker C: Yeah, there's. It's the northeast.

>> RB: Yeah, it's just. It's just keep.

So, Jake, what. Before you did

this, what. What was your profession? What is your profession? Is this

what you're doing full time? What. What is that like for you right

now?

>> Speaker C: Yeah, I'll give you. I'll try to keep it under 30. I don't know if I can. But,

um, I did my

MBA right before COVID

and then it went into Covid at Villanova. I did that in real

estate and finance, and then I went into the

private equity world in real estate

and quickly realized

that that might have not been a great

decision to cater my education and my life to

that line of work. Although it was a clear

path to stability and

making a good amount of money, I really,

really did not enjoy what I was doing.

So, um, I left that

about a year and a half ago. And I

intended to buy my own

apartment buildings. Sub institutional, like

under 100 units. I was going to raise LP

capital and I thought it was going to be a really opportune time

to buy real estate because interest

rates were up, there was blood in the street. Nobody knew what

was going on. It just was a bad time for real estate. And typically

in those times, it's good to buy. Turns out.

Well, I can't say it turns out because I don't know yet, but it really

did not Feel like a good time to buy. And everything I

looked at, um, just from a metric

standpoint was no good. And so I

kept looking, but in my free time, I started doing this.

And, um, it quickly

became, uh, a

lot more fun. I enjoy it,

and it's become, uh,

a business. So I pretty much

have fully turned my attention to this in 2025.

>> Jonathan: So a couple months

talk about two different spectrums, you know, private equity,

real estate, and raising capital. And then it's like,

well, I got this thing going on where I'm talking.

>> RB: About 31s and Ben Curtis.

>> Speaker C: Yeah, it's very different, but there are a lot of,

you know, it's business at the end of the day, like,

well, it's not. So what the. The video stuff, that's

creativity, that's artistry. But then, like,

if I have to make, I need to make this a business and I gotta make

money somehow. And a lot of those skills I learned in my

MBA and in business, they're transferable

and contracts and all that stuff. And I

think I feel confident

about that side of the business, so.

>> Jonathan: That's awesome, dude. Yeah.

Yeah. And believe me, I have not come across

anyone like you in terms of what you're doing. I think you do have

a niche. Really do. I mean that.

>> Speaker C: Um, I appreciate that. Thank you for saying that. It

feels. Gotten that feedback. I've

gotten that feedback a handful of times, and that gave me

the, uh, the power to say, you know

what? I really think there's something here. Even if the money wasn't there

yet. It was like, I feel like there's

a group of people that believe in what I'm doing

and. And sometimes the money comes

after the product or

whatever.

>> RB: Right.

>> Speaker C: And I think this is one of those situations where it's just like, you keep building, you

keep doing, you keep producing good

stuff for the world and just good things, good things happen.

Yeah, that's the intention.

>> RB: Couldn't agree more with you.

>> Jonathan: Yeah, you guys got to give him a follow on Instagram, Stout

S T O U T dot land. And

you will see his profile pop up, man. Really cool

stuff. Um, very interesting, man. It's like,

yeah, like I said. And who knows? You might be

for hire. At some point, someone might come in and say, hey, uh,

let's get you in a. In a member. Guest

somewhere, or let's.

>> Speaker C: Oh, that's been. I. I

cannot believe how many

golf invitations I say no to now. I mean, I

just, uh, I.

There's, you know, I got to make videos and I gotta I gotta produce

content. But it would be nice to play golf every day, which a lot of

people like. That, follow me, are like, do you play golf every game? Like, no, I

just. The days I do, I try to post it and share it because

that's kind of my job now, and I enjoy that.

But, um, no, it's pretty good. Like,

I'm trying to make a living here, literally playing golf.

So that's not bad.

>> Jonathan: Well, hey, man, hats off to you, you know. Have you ever

read the book the Alchemist?

>> Speaker C: I don't think I have, no.

>> Jonathan: Oh, uh, dude, it is a phenomenal book. In fact,

I just started reading it again. It's called the

Alchemist talks about your personal legend.

Basically, you had a dream as a

kid, and as time goes on,

the world, the universe changes and people forget

about their dream. But the reality is you got to

hold onto that dream, create your personal legend

and remember where you came from ultimately. So

it's a great book. Read it if you like reading.

Um.

>> Speaker C: Oh, I love it. I just wrote it down. So I'll read

it and I'll let you know.

>> Jonathan: I love it. Chasing birdies, man. That's what you're doing.

So, um, it was a pleasure having you

on the show and. And naturally grateful for your time.

But before we end pep, you got anything else you

wanted to or you want to roll in?

>> RB: No, I'm going to roll into the tap in segment, brought to you

by, uh, betting arty golf asked you four

questions. Give us your best

answers. All right. Least favorite

golf roll.

>> Speaker C: Golf roll, yes. What do

you mean by that?

>> RB: So, you know, playing out of a divot

or a rule?

>> Speaker C: A rule. Oh, sorry. I thought you

meant God. Okay, understood. Um,

well, now that you say yeah, I don't. I don't like hitting

it down the middle of the fairway 300 and then being in a hole.

I really wish that was

somehow, like, could be changed.

So, um, I'll give you another one.

I think there shouldn't be out of bounds. It should just be all hazards.

If you hit it out of bounds and you figure out when you're all the

way up the fairway to walk all the way back the tee box, it slows play

down. It's. I just. I

don't. I think it should just all be hazard.

>> Jonathan: Steve Piering would love that role.

>> RB: Yes. He would be all in on that buddy of ours

dream. Um, foursome, dead or alive.

>> Speaker C: Oh, man. All right, we'll get interesting.

Okay, so Tiger woods is going to be in there. I'll

Throw in Anthony, um, Bourdain. Oh,

just a wild card there. And

then my dad.

>> Jonathan: That's a good one.

>> Speaker C: There we go.

>> RB: And for those of you listening, uh, your

father, is he the running backs or the

running backs coach for the Philadelphia Eagles?

>> Speaker C: No. Offensive line and run game coordinator.

>> RB: There you go.

>> Jonathan: You know, um, he has a Super.

>> RB: Bowl ring after this year. That was awesome to watch.

>> Speaker C: Two. We have two now he has two.

>> Jonathan: Do you know a coach by the name of Tyler Brown, by chance?

Yeah.

>> Speaker C: Yeah, of course.

>> Jonathan: Yeah. So that's my cousin.

>> Speaker C: No way.

>> Jonathan: Yeah, I was just.

>> Speaker C: We were just talking to him last night.

>> Jonathan: Yeah. Yeah, that's my cousin. Yeah.

>> Speaker C: Wow.

>> Jonathan: Uh. Huh. Uh-huh.

>> Speaker C: Small world. Yeah, I know. Tyler. Yeah. Tell him we spoke. He'll

know exactly who I am.

>> Jonathan: I only see him on Instagram. M. We catch up every now and then. You see?

>> Speaker C: All right, then I'll tell him I spoke to you.

>> Jonathan: Yeah, you tell him. Yeah, yeah, you tell him.

>> RB: All right. Um, your favorite golf club.

In the bag.

>> Speaker C: Nine iron.

>> RB: Oh. Geminate iron. So we're back to

back. All right. And last question. What are you

chasing?

>> Speaker C: Happiness. M. That's what

I'm chasing. I. I,

um, I studied abroad in

2016, my junior year of college, and I

realized that I studied abroad in Spain, and I realized

that people in Spain work to

live, and I

was brought up and my whole life was live to work.

And there's a very big difference in the standpoint

of how you live your life. And I did not take

that understanding at the beginning of my professional

career, and I've now kind of

adjusted that, and I'm still very aspirational,

and I want to succeed, and I have big expectations for

what I can do on this world. But at the

end of the day, what's life if you're not

enjoying the ride? So happiness.

>> Jonathan: Hey, I love that. That

vibes with me really well. Yeah,

brother. Well, good stuff, Jake, man. We got to keep in

touch and, you know, we got to peg it up sometime. The

three of us +1. We'll find someone else.

>> Speaker C: I might end up at Pike Wood, so if I do, I'll let you know.

>> Jonathan: Yeah, dude, definitely. Yeah. Anytime you want to come out, let's.

>> Speaker C: Get a good friend that really wants to get me out

there. So.

>> Jonathan: Yeah, we'll do it, man. Well, thanks for coming on the

show.

>> Speaker C: Thank you, guys.

>> RB: Man. I loved hearing that episode with

Jake, um, again, give him a follow

on Instagram at Stout Land.

It's cool stuff. There's some cool stories that he has,

um. And again, Yawky Guinea

Country Club has been brought to the forefront because of my

man.

>> Jonathan: Yeah. How's he know that?

>> RB: So that's what I'm saying.

>> Jonathan: You browse through some of that stuff he puts out, like,

some of the logos and some of the names of these clubs,

um, you just realize how

little you actually know about golf.

>> RB: Exactly.

>> Jonathan: Or places to play. You know,

like, we, uh, were just talking about that,

um, playing golf this past weekend. Like, yeah,

there's obviously golf courses

overseas that I want to go play, and so do you.

But there's also so many within our country

that, A, we probably don't know about a lot of them. We

definitely don't. And B, the ones that we know of. Why don't we

try to play, like, Northern Michigan, for example, playing some of those

places.

>> RB: Right.

>> Jonathan: Um, you know, there's so much good golf.

Explore the Long island market

a little bit. Even Philly more where

our boy Jake is, you know, so.

And it just shows you. It's like, man, you know, just when you think

you like, oh, I played that course, and then you hear a name, it's

like, where the hell's that? And it's like, I never even heard of

it.

>> RB: Well, I just went, uh, to the Rangers last

game of the year with my son Parker, and

caught, uh, up with our boy Vinny Trocheck after the game.

And. And then also ran into J.T. miller,

and J.T. said, why don't you come over and head over to the

Hamptons and play a little golf?

So, naturally, I

might clear my schedule for that one. But, um.

>> Jonathan: Yeah, but you're. I mean,

yeah, you do that. You play in a member guest down at that

old hick. I mean, just get it rolling.

>> RB: I got that a couple new member guests this year, so that's nice.

And I'm. I'm good for you getting

some new blood in me at these number

guests. So I'm really excited about the Old Hickory member guest

with Cole Taylor, my partner.

So, um, I don't think we're gonna drink it

all this,

so.

>> Jonathan: But I'm excited for this little, uh, little

trip we got here next week down in Georgia at, uh,

Peachtree and Sage Valley with

some of the boys here playing a little G, raising

some money for a good cause, and ultimately having some fun,

dude. So that's what's on my radar right now.

>> RB: I'm really excited about that. Yeah.

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> RB: I'm so excited for you guys to get to.

Obviously, you've played Peachtree, but then Head over to

Sage Valley and. And, uh, see. See that,

set up and experience it for two, um, maybe three

days. Maybe another place. I don't know. Um,

I'll be ready. I'll just leave it out there. I packed a pair of pants.

Um, so far. Drive, but it's

not far. Drive, but, um, yeah, Sage Valley. You're

gonna. And you're gonna love it. And like you said, raising some. Some money

for a great, great cause. Saturday

night.

Um, so I'm gonna stay chasing this week,

buddy, and I can't wait to see you in Georgia.

And, um, thank you all for listening to

Chase the Birdies. Make sure you go to chasing underscore Birdies. We

appreciate we're starting to get a little m. Momentum, bud, since this

new setup. It feels good. So thank you to you,

Ryan Bashower. Thank you to you. This whole setup,

this. I mean, if people saw this thing now, it's pretty funny.

I'm sweating under the light. Um,

but again, thank you, and, uh, stay

tuned, because we got some. Some cool guests on the hook that we

just got to get nailed down, but they've committed. We just got to get those

dates.

>> Jonathan: That's it. And thank you to you for that

pep, and I mean it. But like

he said, you guys out there tuning into today's episode

of Chasing Birdies, we appreciate it very much.

And thank you to Allie, Emily, and Ivo over at

Simpler Media for putting this thing together. Jaclyn

Depot, Rachel London, for all your help. You

guys tuning in this weekend on the PGA Tour with the Zur

Classic. What a phenomenal team event this is.

Hope, uh, you all have a blessed weekend,

and we will catch y'all in two.

>> Speaker C: The j.

>> RB: Uh.