All right, Dr. Lance Becker, welcome to the QBC

podcast. This is going to be a fun time,

I hope. I think we'll have some fun today. You're working on some

cool stuff, so I'm looking forward to getting into it. But

first, tell us a little bit who you are, what your background is.

So I have kind of an unusual background. I'm an emergency medicine

doctor, and I'm the chair of emergency medicine for the

Northwell Health System. It's a big health care system with 30

hospitals, but I'm also a scientist, and I run a basic

science laboratory. And that is what is kind of like,

led me down the rabbit hole to quantum

biology that I'll talk a little bit about and sort of

my background, because I see people when they're really desperately

ill, sometimes they don't have a pulse. Okay. And

my background is in trying to bring people back to life. And

so I've worked in this area. It's called cardiac arrest or resuscitation.

And it involves things like CPR and defibrillators

and drugs and all the kinds of things that happen to

people when they're really, desperately, desperately ill. And so I've

tried to approach it both sort of at a high level and at a

cellular level. Like, why is it, for example, that we just

can't bring somebody who's been dead for a while just back

to life? Like, what is the limitation to that? And that was

really the question that I started with going back

to when I was at the University of Chicago and I started

a basic science lab. And we started to think about cells, and we started to

think about what could we do to, like, maybe we could learn something from cells.

And that work led me to some really

interesting, interesting biology. And it led me to

this little organelle that makes energy

inside our body called the mitochondria.

And mitochondria are sort of having a

resurgence of interest right now because it's

increasingly recognized that not only do

they make energy, which is, like,

vital, so if you don't have your mitochondria making energy, you will be

dead in seconds. All right? But they also do all these other

things, and they actually tell ourselves kind

of the state they're in. So, like, should I

live or should I die? Should I stay or should I go?

And all of our cells have that kind of a switch inside

them. Should I stay or should I go? And

that switch is monitoring our cells all the time.

And what we discovered over Maybe the last 20

years is that one of the reasons that you can't bring a person back to

life if they've been dead for a while is because that switch has gone off.

So I began to look at how do you fix that? And so it has

all kinds of things to do with mitochondrial health

and mitochondrial behavior and then

mitochondrial action. And so what

sort of happened just in the last few years

is that we actually figured out that these mitochondria don't even stay inside

a cell all the time. They don't know

boundaries. They're sort of like me that wanders

all over the place, sometimes my career, as I've been accused of

doing, you can imagine. And they don't stay in the box.

Okay, so it turns out our mitochondria have the ability to

get out of the box and go into another cell. Now, no one

yet is even really teaching that in fundamental

biology, certainly not when I went to medical

school or graduate school, because that is so new

and it is very controversial. And whether it is like for good

or for ill is there's all kinds of controversy. And

recently I was the host of a large,

the world's first mitochondrial transplantation

conference. Because it turns out it looks like it's going to be possible

that if you desperately needed a mitochondria for energy,

maybe I could slip one into you if I was really smart

and give you a brand new working mitochondria. And it

turns out that mitochondrial disabilities

are fundamental to all kinds of things to

bringing a patient back to life who's almost dead, to

pediatric mitochondrial disease, to aging,

to dementia, to heart disease,

to toxins that we're exposed to, just all kinds of

things because you can imagine energy is just fundamental to

our existence. And so that

whole, like exploring all of that space sort of

led me to sort of a kind of an interesting point where

so many colleagues said, lance, you've really got to get into

energy now, just energy itself. And that

sort of was my down the rabbit hole into quantum

biology and quantum behavior. And so

maybe just like a little bit of my. How I think about quantum.

The quantum world. Like, yeah, what do we know about the quantum

world? Like, I. But I'm not a quantum biologist. So that's

the first thing to disclaimer here, you know. So what I

think about is when you get down to those little tiny structures,

teeny, you're going down. You're like below the size of

a mitochondria, which is already like a mitochondria is about the

limit of what you can see in the microscope, in a light microscope. And

so now you get even smaller. And what happens is the world

itself, us, we get very weird,

okay? And by weirdness, I mean quantum

weirdness, where the things inside us

begin to not just behave like a molecule, like a ping

pong ball bouncing around, but they begin to

act like a wave. And so once things start

to have this duality where it's like, ooh,

maybe it's a thing, a particle. Oh, maybe it's a

wave. Okay, now you've entered the quantum

world. And so quantum biology

is this growing field that's just kind of exploding

where we're realizing these little things that we looked at for a long,

long time and we thought they were just like due to a molecule. They

also have the ability to be a wave. And

that is weird. Okay? And that is quantum

weirdness. And that's the world of quantum biology. Because we're

starting to see that all kinds of reactions going inside of our

body are somehow being influenced by

both being maybe a particle, but maybe

also being a wave at the same

time. And that is really, really an

eye opening kind of thing. And so that's kind of

how I think of the quantum world. And, you know, it's probably

very likely going to be bound up, bound up

with, you know, disease, with

my ability to make a diagnosis on

someone, maybe my ability to treat them,

like maybe I don't always have to give the molecule,

maybe I could give the wave. Right,

right. So if I can give the wave

and do the same thing as giving the molecule,

boy, that will be a revolution. And I believe that's

the revolution that's coming. Yes, I hope so.

Yes. Well, I mean, it is, it's happening. And so when you talk about

the giving a molecule or giving a wave, would that be the

difference in giving someone a pill versus giving

them light therapy? Exactly.

So that might be the difference between having to give them a pill that

has all the issues that a pill is going to have versus

giving them a photon of light or a

wave of an electron or a

sound. Okay. That we know that sound

is vibrations and they travel as

waves. And when they get down to that tiny structure, they actually

I. They're called phonons. So

now you've got the phonon world where there's

these tiny waves that are vibrating

things inside our body. And maybe those. And

the thing we know about waves, which is so much fun, is they

have the ability to sort of collaborate together

or they can interfere with each other and

you can kind of put two waves together and

you get a new thing A new wave. And

it's going to be just so important to begin to

learn some of that. And we may be able to,

for example, diagnose a person who has

a disease, because, okay, right now what we do is we take

their blood and see if their blood has

maybe some kind of a chemical in it that

tips us off about a disease. But all of the

reactions along the way to that chemical give

off little waves. And so there's little

wavelets that are being generated. Yes, Our

body generates light. Our body

generates waves. Some of them are

big waves, and some of them are small waves. And

when those waves are in a certain range, we call it light,

we call it the photons that we can perceive.

But there are longer ones and there are shorter ones. And it's

very likely, since we evolved as little

critters on this planet that was being

bombarded by the sun with the energy from the

sun, that's all coming as waves. Okay. That's like pure

waveology coming at you. Okay. And very

likely the way we evolved is we probably

were smart enough to take advantage of that. And it's probably

built right into our hard wiring

of our system. And if you will, that

right now it's kind of invisible to us. Like, we don't see it. But

that does not mean that it's not there, that those waves aren't

going through us all the time. And in so many ways,

we're kind of as much a collection of waves

and wavology as we're a collection of chemicals

or molecules that we would recognize more and

more. You know, at the limits of physics, those two things, they

just become kind of interchangeable. And so we have

so much to learn and potentially benefit as

we open up this area of science.

Well, I have to say I'm utterly delighted to

hear you describing this. And also, as from someone

who works in a hospital who somehow also was open

to going down this rabbit hole. That's a new one.

So just to pull it out a little more. So if we're.

If we're waves, what are the implications of that? You talked

about potentially being able to diagnose in a different way than we do now.

What could that. What would that potentially look like? It's one of

the most exciting things that, like, literally this stuff just keeps me up at

night. Okay. Honest. Like, I wouldn't wish

my brain on anyone. Why is the universe

so exciting? Exactly. It's like. Like here I3 in

the morning, and I'm, like, picking up waves. I see them, you know,

so so every chemical reaction

is driven in one way or another by something that in

classical thermodynamics, we call a delta G, a

difference in energy. So there's like, one molecule. It's got

its energy up here. Another molecule has its energy maybe

down here. For if this molecule changes into this molecule,

okay, like, glucose would change into

from six carbons to two, three carbon things,

okay, there's a change in energy. Well, what the

physics people have told me, and they said, look, you just

can't violate this Lance, whether you like it or not, is that when

you do that change, because there's a

difference in the total energy of the system.

There's a wave that's given off, or there's

a wave that has to go into that and be

absorbed. Energy has to be absorbed. So

energy is either given off or it's absorbed.

And that energy is not just like energy.

It's got a name, it's got a note, like

the notes on a piano. Maybe it's a C or maybe

it's a D, or maybe it's an A or an A sharp, right?

But it has a wavelength. And we know it comes in a

little packet, a quanta. So it's got a

wavelength and a quanta. And it means that our chemical

reactions that are going on by the billions

in our body every second, that each one of those is.

They're giving off little bits of energy

in the form of waves. And it's not like. It's not like

an option. Do you know what I mean? It's not like, well, maybe I'll give

it. No, I'll keep the waves inside. No, it's like

if you do the reaction, you got to give that off. Like, that's the way

physics works, okay? And so that means

now those waves are at a really, really low level.

And right now, they're invisible to us because they're so low,

and there's not a lot of them. But it's very likely that

each reaction has its own fingerprint of what

waves those are. Because, remember, it's not just

energy. It's like. It's a specific

fingerprint to that energy made up of

this wavelength. And so an example

is infrared light. Sort of red light is about

660 in terms of its wavelength, all right?

Blue light, oh, in the four hundreds. And

there's green light, violet

light, ultraviolet light. Each reaction

has to give off its own fingerprint

of a wavelength, if you will, a color,

a chord, a note. And if we can

identify what those are, we could go back and

say, oh, that reaction took place. So

I know that if a glucose turns into another

molecule that has lower energy, it loses this much

energy, it has to give off an energetic

packet. Well, what if we could measure that packet?

And so that's what physicists attempt to do all the time.

They're measuring photons, they're measuring energy.

And so as we learn to do that in biology, we

could even know very specifically, it's

possible that there's one little fingerprint that would just let

me know that you have converted a

molecule of glucose to 2,

3 carbon fragments. Okay, well that would tell

me all kinds of things that I can tell from you.

And I didn't have to draw any blood, I

didn't have to poke you, I didn't have to

chop anything out, it's just there. But somehow I

do have to sense it. So we're going to need

sensors that to be honest, we don't have yet.

And so that is part of where I think the world is

going to go. And if we develop those sensors, it means that rather than you

getting your blood sampled, like maybe we could just sample all of the

photons coming out of you and be able to make

a pretty good guess in terms of what are the chemical reactions that are taking

place in your body. And that would be very powerful.

And I think we're going to go to that future. Wow. Yeah. I

mean that would completely change the game and non invasive and getting

much more detailed live. Because even with

blood, by the time you look at it, it's, you know,

it's not necessarily the same time has passed.

We have to take it somewhere. Right. Or your brain function,

right as your brain is

undergoing electrical conduction of

signals and thoughts and all of those things are going,

those are energetics, there must be waves that

are kind of associated with that. And you know that there is

already a whole field of wavology on the brain

called neurology. And there's a thing called an EEG

electric encephalogram where you put electrodes on the

scalp and you can see the waves that are taking place

within the substance of the brain. And we think that

those waves reflect sort of

large scale electrical conduction,

sort of networks of cell working in unison.

However, it's likely that there's even smaller information

available at the level of the individual

reactions that are going on. So great opportunities

for getting insight. And I'll say another thing is

for the people who are sort of just like maybe

thinking about this, oh my goodness, there would be something

amazing about measuring the energy as opposed

to measuring the level of something. So right now what

we do is we mostly our measurements, as you said before, they're

like static. They're like call them dead. They're a one

time picture. Okay, here's how much glucose

you have. But if we get down this rabbit hole

a little ways, as opposed to knowing here's how much glucose you

have, know that you'll actually know how fast is

glucose turning over. So remember that most of our

chemicals are like little hamsters on a wheel. They're running

around like this in one way or another, meaning they don't just

go like this and they don't go like this. They mostly have sort of an

equilibrium point. And we think that there are things like

diabetes or being septic

or having different kinds of conditions

where the levels may change, but probably even before

that, there are significant changes

in the rate of those chemicals

being turned over. Okay. And the nice

thing about if you measure the photon that comes off, that

tells you that a chemical, not just that the chemical was here, it tells you

the reaction and how many times that reaction has taken place.

We would learn all kinds of things about physiology if we had that kind

of insight. Right. And it would be

real time and not a snapshot of something that happened.

And as the dumb dedicated doctor that I am, like, what

I want to do is I want to give you a drug and say, is

it helping you or not? Well, this might be the

fastest way to actually identify that

because very, very quickly you'll see a

change in that turnover rate. Okay. Like the

throughput. Okay. Did the drug that I gave

you to treat your condition, did it help you?

Well, if I was like measuring the

waves that were coming out, I have a feeling that the answer is

there, but that is speculation. I understand.

And you know, like, as a responsible scientist, what I really

want to do is I want to prove it. Yeah. I want to measure it.

And that's the horizon that we're looking at

right now. Because now I think we know just enough to be

dangerous. Okay. And I've spent a lot of

my life just knowing just enough to be dangerous.

And it's really important to now do the research,

to do the studies, to do the hard work

that it takes to quantify it, to prove it, to measure

it. And we don't have great devices. We're going to need some

new gizmos, we're going to need new equipment, we're going to need new

machinery, we're going to need new. Yeah, that was my Next question

is, like, does technology need to be able to catch up with the science,

with the wave waveology in order to make these things

reality? You know, the quick answer is, yes, it does. But I think,

like, my guess is we're going to find out that we have the

technology, that we've just been kind of lazy, which is

we've not applied it to this because maybe we didn't think it. Now,

remember this. And I could get some of. That's true.

We could build cern. We could probably find a way to measure.

That's what I'm saying is like, we. Got the James Webb

telescope that can pick up one

photon from like a billion light years

away. Now, my understanding is that the major

component to that telescope

is a single photon detector

that is a little wafer that can detect

one little infrared photon that hits

it. Now, there's a lot of fancy stuff that puts it all together

because you got to measure for a long, long, long time because there's not that

many photons coming from one star. That's a billion light.

But, like, we can do that. Imagine if we just turn that

telescope around and sort of look inside my brain, you know,

assuming that there's something. Yeah, right. Like, let's

be around. Okay. Of course,

like, that detects one

photon at a time. So I don't think

it's. That we don't have the technology. I think we just

haven't had the imagination and the resources and

the drive and the cohesiveness

to say this is really, really, really important. Let's get our act together,

okay? Let's have a bunch of physicists who

made the James Webb get with a bunch of

biologists who were trying to measure

mitochondria. Let's lock them in

a room together until we got

it. Until then, figure it out. And that's really what we

should do. I totally agree, because. And it, you know, now

that you put it that way, it's so true. We have all of this, like,

unbelievable equipment, but because there was no

paradigm in physics that included biology,

we didn't. Nobody thought to use it that way.

And now the quantum biologic paradigm is

emerging, which is providing a framework, would you say, to

give people some common. Ground, come together and remember,

look, scientists are my friends. So I can say this. They are very

rigid. They are very conservative, okay? They

are not necessary. They get very comfortable with what

they do. And sometimes they're like, well, I'm just going to keep doing

what I do because this other new thing with light out

here, like I don't even have the right language for it.

Okay? And I don't, like, as a clinician,

like, how am I going to talk to my patients about photons or something

like this and say, oh, maybe it'd be good for you to try some red

light out. Maybe it'd be good for you to get some more sunlight. Maybe it'd

be good for you to do some of the things that are looking

like they have all kinds of interesting health effects for

some people. And I will argue we don't even have a

language. And that's always like one of the first things that

groups have to do when they come together is they have to like, get a

common language so they know what the hell they're talking about.

That's true. And I've heard from people who are, you know, I

know a lot of citizen researchers or people who work in

the wellness space and are just constantly reading papers and

they're like, oh, well, I thought there wasn't research on, you know, structured

water, but it turns out half the world calls it something else.

So I found all this new research I didn't know was there because they call

it, they use different terminology, but they're kind of talking about

the same thing. That's absolutely correct. And, you know,

it takes a little bit of bravery, you know, because,

like, I'm a academic, do you know what I mean? Like, like I grew up

at the University of Chicago and then I was the University of

Pennsylvania and got tenure and stuff. And like, they don't

really say, hey, bet your whole career on this,

you know, crazy idea. Like what they tell you

instead when you're young is they say, look, pick a really

kind of safe thing to do because you know

what you need to get papers out. You need to get funding for

this. There's no funding for photons

in biology, okay? Like, nobody is going

to give you a nickel probably if you apply to the

NIH for funding on this. So. And that's true of

every brand new field. That's like, that's true of mitochondrial

transplantation, despite the fact that it's already being used in some

people with some amazing results. It's been ridiculously

hard to get funding. So you've got to have like that first generation

of scientists and of people who will work together.

And like, I'm going to like jump to our quantum biology forum

for just a moment here to say that the reason that

we're bringing everyone together is it takes a community to get

the ball rolling. Like, we gotta get some stuff together

so that it's not for me to talk a young person into making

this the focus of their career. I have to be able

to look them in the eye and say, you're not

endangering your whole ability to have a career

in this if you study this area, right? I gotta be serious

about that. I like, I gotta be honest about that. And if they look

at me and say, well, Jesus, Lance, I'm worried. I'm young and

I don't have papers like you have, I'm gonna be brand new, I'm

gonna need a job, I'll need to get to a university, I'll need to

get some stuff going. Takes a pretty

courageous person to overcome that

energy hump, to get on the other side of that

hill. So what we can do as a community of

scientists coming together for the Quantum biology forum

is we can bring that energy down, right? We can make

it easier so that a young person can say,

you know, this is like some of the craziest, most exciting stuff I've ever

heard of. I'm gonna go into this field because there's going to

be a discovery around every corner. Okay?

It's gonna be just like being at the very

beginning of discovering there were genes. Okay?

Like, can you. Yes. Imagine like in the 50s, they

discovered there were genes and they discovered there was DNA

and all of a sudden, oh my goodness.

Okay, so that's where we are. There's going to be

discoveries in every closet. There's going to

be a discovery as you walk through this new space. And

that's a super exciting time. So there's never been,

in my opinion, a more exciting time to go into

science like this. This

puts the last hundred years to shame. And let me

tell you, the last hundred years have seen

scientific breakthrough after scientific breakthrough,

Amazing leaps and bounds and increases in

longevity and people living to be 90 and

100 and like, it's not even noteworthy anymore

when 200 years ago, people lived to be 40.

Okay, so like, we have made some

leaps and bounds here, but this may be

even more than all of those. It's truly

astonishing. It is a wild and amazing time to be alive. And

I don't know, I sometimes I meet people and they're like, oh, this is

happening and that's happening. And I'm like, is it? All I know is

there is so much cool stuff going on and so many people focused on

such like, unbelievably mind blowing,

paradigm changing ideas. And you

know, you mentioned sunlight and red light therapy. You know, we have

a Nonprofit for practitioners. And all we do is, like,

translate the research into practical steps.

Low risk. We don't want to be dangerous. Not rolling out

anything, but, you know, spending more time outside and

considering the. You know, helping

practitioners and to consider the

idea that the environment that their clients

and patients are. Is in, like, a wave

communication with their bodies. And so

if that's true, and let's just. So there we're like, okay, well, let's just

pretend it is. Like, what then? How would we proceed? I mean,

I think this is a wonderful space for us to

explore. And there's even. Because I'm sort of part of

this kind of motley crew of quantum

biology interested people. And we

communicate. There's just some amazing stuff. Like, there's a

new phrase being termed

infrared malnutrition. Now, who would have

thought, like. Like, if I had ever said that, like,

I learned about that months ago. Months ago. So

this is pretty out there, you know. But who would have thought

that maybe in our built environment where we live

under, like, one set of lighting a lot and

we kind of like a cave almost, and we're not outside.

Who would have thought that maybe we're a little

malnourished from the

wavelengths that we're not getting. And so maybe we

either need to get out more or supplement that. So there's all kinds of

wonderful information coming out on the near infrared

and what it can do for healing and what it can do for

energy generation, what it can do for mitochondrial function. It's

been shown to have some kind of an effect. And remember,

because we're talking about the old wave, that's some kind of quantum

biology, okay? There is information out

there that certain wavelengths of green light

can go into your brain. And it can, like,

reproduce almost the sensation of

an anesthetic of a. It reduces your pain

perception. Like, really, green light

might be something that people could use to.

To attenuate pain. Now, that's

crazy. And there's even evidence that

ultraviolet light. So that's a little bit

smaller wavelength, which means it's higher energy. It has the

ability to beat up your cells, smack a

cell membrane and bust. Like, ultraviolet can,

like, bang your molecules apart because it has enough energy

to cause some damage even. But there's even evidence

that people who get some limited exposure

to that and keep it within reasonable amounts. Like what you would

get out walking around, for example, without a sunscreen,

okay. That their blood pressure is

lower when they're exposed to that kind of an

energy. And there are higher

rates of blood pressure in individuals who never see the sun

compared to people who see the sun. And think of what blood

pressure does to our cardiovascular health and our brain health

and all of our metabolic health. So, you know, we're just

beginning to see, you know, be like

photons to see some of that. But here's what we don't know yet,

even with this very interesting information. Like, we don't know, like,

well, what's the dosage? Like, how much do you need?

And so remember I talked about that. We don't even have a

language. Honestly, I don't even know if I'm smart enough

to know if somebody said, lance, you need some more infrared. And I

said, well, how much do I need? Like, what would the dosage of

that infrared be? Is it like, because it's not

time, it's not like you need 15 minutes, there's an actual number

of photons per second per square centimeter

of skin that has to go into your body at a certain

wavelength. Okay? And, and so

we have a ton to figure out. And just think

of all this fun research that we can be doing

on some of these things. And you know, I think like, one of the

biggest questions for the general public is like, well, does

this seem like a valuable thing to maybe learn about? And

I kind of think this is a really important thing for us to learn about.

And so hopefully we will use the next few

years to bring a community together. And we're

trying to build this community through the quantum biology

forum, not just with one phenotype. By that I mean

one kind of a person, right? It's not just a scientist, like,

hey, we need some patients to be part of this community.

And if you go to our website, you're going to see a very important patient

talking about his own disease, his experience,

and that has gotten many, many, many views because he is a very

well known actor who has ALS and he's embarking

with some quantum medicine. So he'll be there,

got patients, you got people that give out money, got to have scientists there,

got to have clinicians there, you got to have policymakers there, got to have some

politicians there, you got to have the people that can make

the whole thing move faster, working

together, because we have such an opportunity to pick up the

pace, okay? So what I want to do is I want to pick

up the pace, okay, of discovery,

of the ability to do things. We got to pick up the

pace, okay? And I have no doubt, like,

like in an infinite amount of time, we'll figure it all out. You know what

I mean, but the difference between figuring out something

in a hundred years compared to figuring out in the next

five years is very possible to change

that kind of a slope. If we work cohesively

together, if we collaborate, and if we build the kind

of community that will support that. Oh, Lance, I'm going to cry.

Don't do that. No, it's just

so. This is weird, but this is just so thrilling

to me that you're doing this and that this ecosystem is coming

together, that you're recognizing all that you need to weave

in all of the different areas. It's not going to just come

from an academic silo, which is, you know, I

held back from doing interviews with the hardcore scientists. I'm like, oh, who am

I? And then I realized, you know, we need people to build that bridge

out into all of those different areas if this paradigm shift

is truly going to get traction. Right. I have for

my whole career even going. And, you know, I started with CPR

and better CPR and defibrillators. That's why they're in airports.

That was a study that my colleagues, I did

so many years ago. And I get the rewards because people actually write

me letters. Thank you. You saved my uncle's life because

of this defibrillator you put in that is a heart restarter. But

the, to do that, it took a community. It wasn't like one

person. It just, it doesn't work. It's not a university.

And think about just those kinds of things. So who? So, like,

the really good question is like, who do we need in the room to make

it happen? Who do we. Yeah, I want to get the

people in the room and make it happen. Okay. And so if we

get the right people in the room, we can make it happen. But

it means, yeah, there's going to have to be some, you know, bald headed

scientists like me. They're, they're skeptical and

hardcore and, you know, but guess what? We're going to need

some companies. I haven't seen hardly anything

get out to the bedside to get into a patient unless there was some

company that had the wherewithal to make it into a thing.

Okay. Because if I make the device, it'll look like

Frankenstein. Okay. Whereas if a good

company makes it, it'll be something that people can use. They take it right

to the bedside and shine this new beam on this person and

fix their dementia or their stroke

or their ALS or their

cardiovascular disease. Like that is what we're talking

about doing. Okay. But it's going to, we got to get

a lot of people in the room for that. Okay. So there's got to be

the devices. Well, if you've got the scientists and now you've got the

devices, well, who else do you need? Guess what? You need a bunch of physicists

on this one. Okay. Yeah. And just like I'm

a biological scientist, like, the physicists will hardly even talk

to me about this now. What's happened in the last few

years is it's beginning to really open up. The physicists

in the year 2022. So that's like four years

ago, they all met and they decided there was a new

area of physics, unbeknownst to the rest of us. And

it was called biological physics. And that is

now as legitimate an area to study as nuclear

physics or particle physics. Physics. And

fantastic. It is a new thing that a

physicist can go into. So the physics people

have recognized that biological physics is

quantum biology. Okay. Okay. That's what it is.

All right. Okay. So tell me just a

little more about the forum you have. Did you

just sort of call up people and ask them to come speak? I know you're

also accepting applications. People to present.

Nick Lane is presenting, and Martin Picard and

Eric Dane, the actor is coming. So

was that you just like pulling it together and.

No, no, no. So first, I have to give a lot of credit

to my organization, Northwell Health,

looking at every possible way we can help

people's health. And there's no question that to have something so

big and so bold of a future that

major healthcare organizations are going to have to move into this

and at least be aware of it. And so we. We're

hosting this because we think it's going to help humanity. But

assisting us is United Therapeutics. That's a

drug company. It's not a typical drug company. Was started

by an amazing pioneer

whose TED talks are inspirational. Her name is

Martine Rothblatt. She has her own

amazing story, but she was really the

person who stepped up and said, we need to have a meeting on

this. And this first meeting will actually be at the United

Therapeutics headquarters where they've got the world's largest building

that is net carbon neutral. Martine

Rothblatt, that's. Dr. Rothblatt is an engineer

herself. Okay. And is an energy

wonk. Okay. Like me. And

she kind of got her start in satellite. So

sending a message from here to here

makes sense to a satellite

engineer. So when we talked about the

fact that I believe that our mitochondria deep

inside us send a message from here

out to here, where it's received.

She had the open mindedness and

foresight to say this is too important for us to

not talk about. It's too important for us to not

meet about. And so Northwell and United

Therapeutics are doing this together. We're joined by the Guy

foundation out of Europe. And the Guy

foundation has been on this story for at least

I'd say seven years. They are ahead of

me, they're ahead of most of us. They're thinking about this and

they're a full participant in this. Oh, Fantastic. Their

founder, Dr. Jeffrey Guy will

be one of our keynote speakers at the conference

as well. And so there's a community. It's like

starting. It's coming, coming. I can feel

it, you know, it sure is. Okay. It's like

sort of think of that we think of our senses. You know,

it's like I think I feel the vibrations from it coming.

You know what I mean? I think I see the, at least the

smoke starting. Maybe not flames yet, but it's coming,

it's coming. And so, you know, this is going to be the

inaugural meeting of this group. It'll be a small, intimate

group, but we invite anybody that wants to. I was going to say is it

open? I saw on the website there's a short application. Is

that just open to anyone who'd like to attend or is it for

medical professionals? Or how is this. It is open to anybody. But

here's the thing is we don't have seats for everybody. I'm just being straight up

about that. Okay. Like we have limited number of seats kind of

intentionally for this first meeting because we kind of feel like

we all need to start the community. We need to get

the process going. We will do future

forums that will be, have the ability to take

hundreds, thousands of people. All right. But you

got to start kind of the right way

and focused, Titan focused. Got to be focused.

And we have to build a community that doesn't exist yet.

We have to get people to talk with one another who don't

normally talk. So we're bringing in physicists and, and

biological scientists and mitochondrial scientists and

engineers and patients and

policymakers and funders and. Just blowing up all

the silos. Lance, that's, that's all

these brilliant minds are spilling out into the quantum biology

forum. Yep. So, you know, it's going to take a little while to get

everything to build that momentum. And so the first

meeting will be a landmark because it'll be the first time that the group has

come together and it'll be fabulous. Fun. I can't

wait to hear some of the speakers you mentioned. Some of them.

Doug Wallace, who essentially discovered mitochondrial

is going to be there. And Nick Lane who's thinking about how did life

start on the planet? And Nerosha mirror again, who's thinking about

the brain that gives off photons. And Martin Picard who's

thinking about autism and mental kinds

of disorders and psychology and what that has to do

with energetics of the body. And that's just to name

a few. And yes, we've got the, I'll say a number of people who are

into light and the effect of photons in terms

of what they can do to physiology. And so we're

like it just like. I can't wait. And this is the kind of

group that if we do it right, I believe

this kind of group can create a new

momentum for the world and that momentum

can start to accelerate our ability to

build new knowledge, to figure out stuff,

to make discoveries and to do it faster

and to do it better and to do it faster.

And that's really what the world needs. Yeah, well,

it's super exciting. And I will also tell you there is like a

grassroots movement of non scientist

citizens who are going to be really excited about this as well.

There's. Well, I know you guys are building up the high level

infrastructure and there's actually quite a lot of us on the ground

who are sort of waiting and some maybe had

given up hope that this shift would happen, you know, at the

institutional level. So we are all here. CHEERING

CHEERING CHEERING here's the thing is. This is the wrong time to give up hope.

Don't, don't even go that way. Don't go to the darkness,

my friends. Go to the light. Go to the light. Well,

light, it's. Yes, because this is just

truly exciting. And just to wrap up, I'd love to hear.

So you had a traditional medical training. Thank you

for the defibrillators, by the way. Last summer on the beach

had my training on the AED and the lifeguard

hut. So we're all ready to go. That's a major.

Everyone should know how to do that and know how to do cpr. And then

now we'll talk about quantum biology. Yeah. Okay.

So coming from traditional medical school, you

are, you know, you have the gift of curiosity and an open

mind and following where the evidence is leading. What are some of

the things that you now understand to be true

that were most surprising, even speculative things compared to

what you were taught traditionally? So you already Talked about the

mitochondria moving around the mitochondria communicating

with the environment. Like, was any of that

on your radar before? No, I mean, just this

was all like, there's a lot we don't know about the world.

So I think the most important thing is, like, remain humble, you

know, like, you might think you know a lot, but there's more.

There's more out there. I promise you there's more. And

so we can get a hold of some of that. And, you know, I think

one of the most amazing things that I learned about mitochondria is that you could

intentionally transplant them. Like, I now could give

you mitochondria to fix potentially an issue

that's a whole field. And that field is just taking off as

we speak. Now the next step

is to understand kind of what

those mitochondria are doing in terms of their quantum

biology. So we're actually going to be talking about mitochondria as the, as your

little quantum organelle. Now, I don't even know if that's true,

okay? But it is true that your mitochondria

cycle the most energy of any spot in your

body. Okay? So they are cycling energy

like crazy, which is to say they are producing a high energy molecule

and it gets used up and another high energy and another high energy.

All of that's. So that's why they are sort of the

prototypic quantum organelle. And so

we'll be talking about them because they're a great model. So this is a great

time for us to learn how does a quantum organelle

organize itself? How does it protect itself from

too much energy? And how does it put itself together

so that the waves, the

electrons, the particles, the little

charged protons that have little waves as well,

like, how do they stay in the right place? How do they know when to

go here? How do they know how to go here? All of that

makes them like an ideal. You know, as a scientist, I want a

model that I can study. Okay? So they're pretty

remarkable in that way. And they are going to be this huge

therapeutic breakthrough, I think, probably in the next decade.

And then as we learn more about what is the actual

opportunity for the. Just the energetic side of that

equation. So let's appreciate all the wonderful

molecules that we learned in biochemistry. Okay?

The Krebs cycle, you know, is everybody. It's the Krebs

cycle at the middle, at the heart of biochemistry, those are all molecules.

Boing, boing, boing, boing, boing, boing. But remember, each one of those Molecules

has some sort of a wave, some sort of an energy

associated with it. And we have not figured that out.

So what is going to be, if you will, the Krebs cycle?

Like, right? Everybody learned that awful thing that you had to learn in

biochemistry when you memorized all of those molecules.

There's going to be an energetic Krebs cycle

too, right, with waves. And maybe

they work together, okay?

Maybe some of them cancel each other out

and diminish it. Maybe they

activate other parts of the

cell, maybe the mitochondria as it's sitting there

spitting out photons, which it does all the time, as

that mitochondria is sending those signals out. Who are you going to

call? Okay, maybe this one goes to the

nucleus and I'm going to call for a new building

block, a new protein to be made. Maybe this

one is going out to the cell membrane to say,

hey, let that molecule out. Let this other

molecule in. Open up a channel for me

over here. It's very likely that those

things are happening inside us all the

time. And as we unravel that, I mean,

that's going to be big. It's going to change everything. I

think so. Dr. Becker, thank you so much for being here today.

This was delightful. And thank you for the work that you're

doing, for transferring all the skills that you learned

rolling out defibrillators in the airport to creating a

quantum biology infrastructure. Well done. And well,

listen, I want to. No, I want to thank you and say something that is

maybe the most important, which is that none of this works.

If we don't have people in the community that kind of understand

what we're doing and why it's important and where we're going, and

sometimes the bald headed scientists and whatnot, and

even the non bald headed scientists, sometimes

we don't do a good job explaining what we're really after,

what the meaning is, what the impact is going to be like. We are guilty

in as a field of not doing a great

job of communicating and sometimes we can't even

communicate with the guy in the next lab from us,

okay? So we are not strong on

communication, despite what anybody might say, okay? And

that's where, Meredith, you come in and that's where members of your

community can come in. Because first they

can continue to follow. This story is like, you know, watch this

space, okay? It's going to be exciting. Watch this space.

But they can tell the story. They can talk to

people who have influence to say, hey, look, like

maybe half of what Dr. Becker is saying is not true. But let's figure out

which half is right and which half is wrong. Let's do the research and

figure it out. We can do that. We can do that not just in our

lifetime, we can do that in several years if we all work

together at it. And if we don't do it, think

of how much we give away. Think of what our loss

is. So you provide such an important

voice so that everybody can understand how important

this is and will hopefully be open

minded to the notion that this is worth

investigating. This is like why research

has value to our country and to our

world. And that at a time when

some of those values are under attack, when

good science and truth is under attack,

it's really important that we have voices that

tell everyone how valuable

research is to the world and how valuable it could be

to the future of the world, to our children,

to our grandchildren and beyond.

Indeed. Thank you. So thank you for

what you do, Meredith. It's every bit as important as what the rest

of us are doing. Well, I don't know, but I very, very

much appreciate you saying that. Thank you so much, Lance.