I bet you didn't expect to see me so quickly in this feed.
Speaker AAnd if you've read the title, you've thought, my God, what a legend.
Speaker AShe's solved it in less than 24 hours.
Speaker AI didn't.
Speaker ABut consider this like in a great Disney movie, that wonderful reprise of the song that comes in after a little bit more exposition in the story.
Speaker AAnd all of a sudden you think, oh, I thought that tune was over.
Speaker ABut not here we come for round two.
Speaker ABecause I record a little bit ahead of myself for this podcast because otherwise the damn thing wouldn't get out, that's for sure.
Speaker AAnd a lot can change in a mere 24 hours, let alone a week.
Speaker AAnd I thought to myself, you know what, maybe I will just record a new episode for yesterday.
Speaker ABut then I thought, no, no, no, I want to actually capture that.
Speaker AHow the hell am I going to get out of this mess spot that I felt in?
Speaker AAnd then I'm going to do a little quick update for you.
Speaker AIf, like me, you find yourself in a spot like yesterday's episode where you are like, I'm never going to get to the other side of this.
Speaker AThere is no way out.
Speaker AI cannot think about how we will ever get through to a toilet trained child.
Speaker AHang in there, hang in there.
Speaker ABecause my kid is now toilet trained and the difference happened in a week.
Speaker AI want to step you through it because after I recorded that episode, something about saying it out loud, you know, telling other people that really makes you think, I gotta get my together.
Speaker AAnd so I got straight onto chat jpt and I was really trying to nut out what to do because I was starting to think I am holding this kid back.
Speaker AAnd there were a couple of things that changed it for me.
Speaker AThe first was daycare.
Speaker ALet me, let me just give you this suggestion and recommendation.
Speaker AIf you are in a position where the daycare ladies are more than happy to have your not toilet trained child in their care in a pair of underpants, then you take that opportunity up and you send that kid to daycare in underpants.
Speaker AThat was the first step because we transitioned to a new room at the beginning of this year and previously I had asked them if I should send her in undies.
Speaker AAnd she'd stayed quite late, like past two and a half in the nursery room because of her birthday.
Speaker AIt kind of missed the cutoff.
Speaker AAnd so the nursery room, I mean, we don't do undies in here.
Speaker AThere's no toilet in there.
Speaker AThey're not interested.
Speaker ASo it was a firm no.
Speaker AAnd to be Honest, I moved into the next room, which is the toddler room.
Speaker AJust assuming that they don't want to deal with your toilet training.
Speaker AThe reality is, no, it had nothing to do with that.
Speaker AIt was just that that room was not equipped for that situation or situation if it happened.
Speaker AWhereas the toddler room is like, we got a toilet in here.
Speaker ALike, you can peel you like around here.
Speaker ASo it was really the daycare saying to me, if you want to send her in undies, with a look of, why isn't she an undermance yet?
Speaker AShe's 15.
Speaker AI said to them, is that an option?
Speaker ALike, all right, I'll do it.
Speaker ASo that was kind of on the Friday of a long weekend, and I thought to myself, right, I'm going to try and do it this weekend and see how I go.
Speaker ASo Saturday morning we woke up, I had four pairs of undies in the house from the Christmas present my best mate had given my daughter of the bluey undies.
Speaker ALet me be clear.
Speaker AYou need more than four pairs of underpants in your entire house if you are going to decide to toilet train your child.
Speaker AIt was 9am and I was already on the way to Kmart with a nappy on my child because we'd gone through all four pairs of underpants.
Speaker ASo it was not happening.
Speaker AI was also trying really hard when we were at home to keep asking her, do you need a wee?
Speaker ADo you need a weed?
Speaker ADo you need a wee?
Speaker AAnd she was saying, no, no, no.
Speaker AAnd then at a certain point, she actually got quite aggressive in the pushback.
Speaker AI would ask her and she'd be quite upset about it.
Speaker AAgain, I was asking Chatgpt about this and then that was saying, if you're asking her, she doesn't quite understand what it means to go yet.
Speaker ASo that's a lot of pressure on a child.
Speaker ASo really, you should be more direct about it and say, it's toilet time now, we're going to the toilet, not asking all the time.
Speaker ASo I made that mistake for a while because I'm just like, well, isn't this what I'm supposed to do?
Speaker ABut actually, as we went through the motions, it became really clear, like, pretty quick, oh, you actually can't even feel what's going on.
Speaker AAnd she would wet herself and she wouldn't even.
Speaker AIt was like she didn't even know.
Speaker ALike, she would be standing in a puddle away.
Speaker AAnd I would say, oh, your body did away.
Speaker AAnd she'd be like, excuse me, what are you.
Speaker AWhat are you talking about?
Speaker ASo anyway, I Was trying to set the timer.
Speaker AYou know, it said ask every hour.
Speaker ASo I'm making the mistake of asking every hour.
Speaker ABut it did not matter what I set my watch to, she would always piss 10 minutes before I was about to ask the question.
Speaker ASo the first time I set my watch for an hour at 45 minutes, she pissed all over the couch.
Speaker AThe next thing I thought, okay, I'll set my alarm for 45 minutes.
Speaker AAt 35 minutes, she pissed all over the car.
Speaker AIt was like, are you watching my watch?
Speaker AAre you seeing the moment that I think to my.
Speaker AAnd it was always at the moment that I thought to myself, maybe I should just ask now.
Speaker ALike, no, no, no, I'll wait till the timer goes off.
Speaker AAnd sure enough, she'd roll over on the couch and I'd look at her, I'd be like, that's a large puddle of moisture that's underneath you.
Speaker ADid we, we.
Speaker AShe's like, no, I don't know.
Speaker AI tried at that point also kind of, you know, taking her to the toilet to say, okay, let's finish it in the toilet.
Speaker AAnd then she got really upset about that because of course she finished it on the couch.
Speaker ASo why would I want to go to the stupid toilet?
Speaker ASo our Saturday was just not a show, it was a we show.
Speaker AIt was just everywhere, all over the couch.
Speaker AI had the baking soda out, the spray of the vinegar and water.
Speaker AI was just like, this is an absolute nightmare.
Speaker AI had those covers that you put on the mattress to protect it on each of the couch cushions because I thought that was really smart.
Speaker AShe pissed through both of them.
Speaker AI only had two of them.
Speaker ASo then I took a punt.
Speaker AI'm like, here's, here's the hot tip.
Speaker ADo not try and toilet train your child and put her in underpants and expect her to go to the toilet when you've put a movie on.
Speaker ALike, am I an idiot?
Speaker AWhat am I actually thinking?
Speaker AOh yeah, she, this two year old has the presence of mind to concentrate on something that is all absorbing and also register when her tiny body wants to do a wee.
Speaker ALike just moronic, you know.
Speaker AAnyway, so that was Saturday, the afternoon I thought, let's get back into the pull ups because we are just absolutely going nowhere here.
Speaker AAnd we'll take a little rest and relax.
Speaker AWe'll take our foot off the brake, we won't pump it.
Speaker AShe was getting upset about the asking to go to the toilet, right?
Speaker AWe won't push the issue Sunday.
Speaker AI get up, we get up.
Speaker AI'm like, let's Try this again.
Speaker AAt this point, I'm actually really chuffed that she's excited about undies.
Speaker AWhen we had that mishap on the Saturday and we had to go to Kmart to buy new undies, I asked her to choose her undies.
Speaker AAnd so then, you know, we get up, I'd be like, pick which ones you like.
Speaker AAnd she was really excited about undies.
Speaker ASo that was massive, massive progress actually getting her in undies because, you know, that was actually a hard transition for me up to a certain point.
Speaker ABut Sunday morning we're like, let's try this again.
Speaker ASame thing happened.
Speaker AP. No poo anywhere but on the toilet or in a nappy.
Speaker AThank goodness.
Speaker AI've never had a poo explosion with her when she's actually been outside of baby stage that she's always been fine about.
Speaker AAnd she will go to the toilet and do that or do it in the nappy.
Speaker ASo there was no accidents anywhere.
Speaker ABut it was just really clear that she just wasn't getting that mind body connection.
Speaker AAnd I was sort of, again, sort of count being counseled by chat.
Speaker AJbt.
Speaker AI was sort of trying to work out, like, is this too early?
Speaker ALike, she's almost three, right?
Speaker ALike, I know it's not technically via age too early, but I was like, I can't understand how this kid is ever going to ask me to go to the toilet if she can't even tell she's done away.
Speaker ALike, if she can't tell she's done a wee after it's happened.
Speaker ALike, maybe that connection between mind and body is just not there yet in terms of the sensation.
Speaker ASo maybe we should back off it.
Speaker ASo by Tuesday, daycare day, I was like, okay, I've packed like five pairs of clothes.
Speaker AI've done, you know, three mornings in a row.
Speaker AYou know, I've.
Speaker AI've called it in the afternoon because we.
Speaker AIt's kind of gotten a bit much and I didn't want to push it too hard.
Speaker ABut if you want to go for your life, go for your life.
Speaker ANow this is where daycare is the real gift.
Speaker AThe real gift, because they're used to kids being and pooing all over the joint.
Speaker AThey don't worry about it.
Speaker ASo when I came to pick her up from school at the end of the day, she was in a pair of like 1990s basketball shorts that were about two sizes too big for her because she had gone through all five to six pairs of the underpants that I had packed and all five pairs of clothes that I had packed and she'd needed to dip into the lost, lost and found slash emergency clothing bin because she'd gone through every single thing.
Speaker AAnd I thought, okay, all right.
Speaker AI went home with seven bags of washing and I thought, right, okay, this is.
Speaker AWe're just gonna have to pump the brakes on this.
Speaker AI'm just gonna give it a break and we're just gonna park it.
Speaker AWednesdays, I'm with my kid.
Speaker AI think we might have tried it in the morning that day.
Speaker ASame kind of thing.
Speaker AThursday, it's a daycare day again.
Speaker ANow, Saturday is when I put her in undies properly for the first time.
Speaker AIt is now Thursday.
Speaker AI said to them, I've packed everything you need, but here's where we're at.
Speaker AI don't think she's registering in terms of brain and body.
Speaker ALike, I'm more than happy if you think it's comfortable for her to do it and you think it's fine.
Speaker AI don't want her to feel like she's failing.
Speaker ASo I just thought maybe, you know, I'll.
Speaker AI'll move back on it.
Speaker AShe's kind of getting a bit antsy when I ask her if she wants to go to the toilet or, you know, say it's toilet time.
Speaker ASo I'm like, there's just a bit of ick around this, so let's just call the jets.
Speaker ASo I come to pick her up from school.
Speaker AI haven't looked at the app.
Speaker AI arrive, she's wearing the same clothes she was when I dropped her off.
Speaker AFantastic.
Speaker AI put her in the car.
Speaker AI lift her up to put her in the car, and I'm like, what the.
Speaker AI don't feel a nappy.
Speaker AWhat?
Speaker AWhat?
Speaker AWhat?
Speaker AYou've got a pair of underpants on.
Speaker AWhat?
Speaker AAnd then I'm like, oh, my God.
Speaker AGod.
Speaker AThe daycare is closed.
Speaker AShe's in underpants.
Speaker AMy car is clean.
Speaker ADon't panic, don't panic.
Speaker AWe're only 10 minutes from home.
Speaker AI'm sure we can make it.
Speaker AI was white knuckling that whole ride home, thinking to myself, I don't know how to get the COVID off the car seat.
Speaker AI don't know how to wash it.
Speaker ALike, this is a disaster waiting to happen.
Speaker AI'm like, oh, my gosh.
Speaker ADid you have a great day?
Speaker AHow was your day?
Speaker ALa la la la la.
Speaker ATrying to keep positive at this point.
Speaker AI haven't even looked at the even know what's happened today.
Speaker AI just know my child is in underpants.
Speaker AAnd I'm like, is this Some cruel joke.
Speaker AYou have kept her in her nappy all day and then you're like, let's put undies on her and let her mom go home with her.
Speaker AWe get home, no accidents in the car.
Speaker AWe walk up the stairs, we get all the way up to home.
Speaker AShe asks me to go to the toilet and I'm like, okay.
Speaker AShe says, I'm about to do a wee in my undies.
Speaker AAnd I'm like, okay.
Speaker ASo we walk up the stairs on the toilet and she goes to the toilet.
Speaker AI run outside, I look at the app and she's been on the toilet all day doing all her poos and wees at daycare.
Speaker AAnd I'm like, yesterday I thought, this, we've gone too quick, it's too early.
Speaker AThis is never going to happen.
Speaker AThis is not right.
Speaker AAnd today it's all changed.
Speaker AFriday, I send her to school in undies.
Speaker AAt that point, I actually took her to school in a nappy because I still wasn't confident we could make it that far.
Speaker ABut they changed her right out into undies straight after.
Speaker AAnd all day, totally fine.
Speaker AThe Saturday, I went to sports class because I was like, this is too brave.
Speaker AThis is too brave.
Speaker AI put a nappy on her and I saw one of the kids, other kids that she's really good friends with, and her mum was there and she's quite a bit younger than Olivia, and she mentioned something and I was like, oh, my gosh, is she in undies?
Speaker AIs she toilet trained?
Speaker AAnd this mum was like, yeah, we just started this week.
Speaker AAnd I was like, and you're in sports class in underpants.
Speaker ALike, what if she weighs everywhere?
Speaker AAnd she's like, oh, my partner, I tried to put a nappy on it today, but my partner was like, I'm sorry, once they're in undies, you don't ever put them back.
Speaker AAnd I was like, oh, my God, she's in a nappy.
Speaker ABecause I got too scared.
Speaker ASo I was like, right, that's it, okay, we're not doing the nappies anymore, except at night.
Speaker AAnd I swear that was it.
Speaker AIt was done.
Speaker AWe might have had two accidents and that's it.
Speaker AShe's toilet trained.
Speaker AShe goes out sometimes for like two and a half hour stretches.
Speaker AI think was the longest one we did where I asked her when we were out, she peed.
Speaker AWhen we left home, I asked her when we were out whether she wanted to pee.
Speaker AShe said, no, no, no.
Speaker AAnd then by the time she got home, she peed when we got home and there were no accidents.
Speaker AI'm just like.
Speaker AI cannot tell you how utterly shocked I was that in the space of a week it was done in less than a week.
Speaker AFrom Saturday first exposure to undies properly to Thursday really being the.
Speaker AFrom that point on it was like it totally shifted.
Speaker AAnd now that's it, we go out, she goes to the toilet, she is absolutely, unbelievably fine.
Speaker AI only have nappies at night.
Speaker AI don't have to buy nappies all the time.
Speaker AIt happened, it happened.
Speaker AAnd it can happen for you too.
Speaker AI just had to update that because I just would never have thought in a million years I could ever, ever, ever get out the other side.
Speaker AAnd I think if I had my time again now, if I ever had another child, which I can't imagine that I would, I would just be braver about getting into the undies because even though it looked like she wasn't registering, it was clearly that process of actually feeling wet that was like now I starting to understand.
Speaker AAnd even though for the first few days it felt like this is not computing for this child, it actually was slowly sinking in.
Speaker AAnd then all of a sudden it clicked and that was it, she got it.
Speaker ASo I think that was.
Speaker AYeah, I just would be braver if I tried to do it again.
Speaker ABut at the same time, I think waiting until I felt like she was ready, that was also a good idea because she was much easier to communicate with, much easier to kind of help her comprehend, understand, talk things through.
Speaker AAnd I spoke to one of the mums at our music class today and this was another reason where I was like, I'm going to come home and record an episode and drop this to kind of do a bit of a sum up.
Speaker ABecause she was where I was almost a year ago.
Speaker AOlivia, in the middle of music class today, got up and said, I need to go the toilet, and walked out and went to the toilet.
Speaker AAnd I was like, oh my gosh, you know, we're in the middle of a distracting environment.
Speaker AShe's doing this.
Speaker AThis is fantastic.
Speaker AAnd so after the class, his mom came to me and said, oh, is she toilet training or is she toilet trained?
Speaker AAnd I was like, well, this is a very recent occurrence for us.
Speaker ALike somehow we're toilet trained.
Speaker AAnd she was talking to me and looking at me with the exact same sort of how the hell do I get thereness that I was in?
Speaker AAnd she had a two year old that was kind of just two.
Speaker AAnd I just said to her, like, honestly, I waited until was two and a half.
Speaker AShe was Two and a half to even think about it.
Speaker AThen I pushed it a bit further back and really only sort of got the sticker chart and did things at two and nine months.
Speaker AThen I took my foot off the gas and felt really bad about it and guilted myself into it back when she was almost three, and now she's almost about to turn three and we're there and it's totally fine because she's done it in her time.
Speaker ABut I remember being at that age at 2, and everybody's like, you got to do it now.
Speaker AYou can't leave it too late.
Speaker AIf you do leave it too late, they'll be paying the bed all night and blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker AAnd this is going to happen and this is going to be terrible.
Speaker AAnd it's like, do what you can do for your life, for your child.
Speaker AYou will get there, you know, you will get there and you will know the right time for you.
Speaker AAnd there will come a point where, for me, I just was like, okay, I've got to just rip the band aid off on this.
Speaker AAnd I just felt more confident.
Speaker AThe weekend that we did the undies, I was like, I can do this, I can do this.
Speaker AIf I tried that three weeks ago, I would have been like, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker AI don't want to do this.
Speaker AI don't know what to do this.
Speaker AThere was just something about it.
Speaker ABut I felt so much pressure as well, back in that early stage of, like, two to be like, get this over and done with.
Speaker ABut I was looking at her kid and I'm like, you, kid.
Speaker ALike, I remember when my kid was like that.
Speaker ALike, my kids having full conversations now, you know, like, it's just such a different experience.
Speaker AAnd some kids at that age, you'd be like, yeah, no worries.
Speaker ALike, you know, I was talking to one mom who was like, oh, she threw her nappy off at one and a half and, you know, or whatever.
Speaker AAnd you're like, every kid is totally different.
Speaker ABut in my situation, I felt so much pressure, I thought I was too late doing it wrong, doing her a massive disservice.
Speaker AAnd it's like, you know, at one point it will click in, it will click in and it will happen so quickly and you will get to the other side.
Speaker AAnd you, five days earlier, would have thought to yourself, I cannot imagine a world where this is ever going to be possible.
Speaker ABut bugger me, bugger me, we did it, we did it.
Speaker AShe did it.
Speaker AAnd moments like today when she's like, I want to go to the toilet.
Speaker AAnd I'm like, do you?
Speaker AThis is thrilling.
Speaker AThis is so thrilling.
Speaker ALike, it's so cool to watch her, you know, accomplish that and feel proud of herself.
Speaker AAnd, yeah, one of the things that the chat GPT told me to lay off was the laying it on thick in the applause kind of department.
Speaker AAnd I was like, I'm sorry, Chat jpt, but if I want to give my child a little bit of high five encouragement because she's learned to evacuate her insides into a toilet bowl instead of on my couch, I'm going to get her excited about it.
Speaker AYou know, they're like, oh, you know, you don't want to make too much of a big deal.
Speaker AI'm like, listen, shut up.
Speaker AOkay?
Speaker AYou might be copying all of my mental low right now as I try and unpack things with you because there's not someone else here in the house.
Speaker ABut if you're not going to tell me that, I'm not going to give some pops and balloon kind of encouragement to my child if she's learning how to toilet train.
Speaker AAll right, today actually, she was sitting on the toilet and she said to me, I'm not a baby anymore.
Speaker AI said, that's right, you're not a baby anymore.
Speaker AShe said, I'm a big girl because I'm toilet training.
Speaker AThat is absolutely true.
Speaker ASo if you are on the side that I was yesterday, according to this podcast, but in the timeline of real life, definitely not yesterday, a few weeks ago, then you will get to the other side.
Speaker AHang in there, white Knuckle it when you need to, but have absolute faith that the undies are coming and the nappies will no longer be a part of your life and you will feel really good about it.
Speaker AThanks so much for listening.
Speaker ATwice in one week.
Speaker AI appreciate that.
Speaker AI know that time is very precious, so thank you for joining me a second time and I will see you next week.