Evan Intro: Hello and welcome to Left of the Projector. I am your host Evan,

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Evan Intro: This week on the show, my guests are from the Revolutionary Rhetoric Podcast,

Evan Intro: This week's film is True Romance, directed by Tony Scott, written by Quentin Tarantino.

Evan Intro: It stars Kristen Slater, Patricia Arquette, Dennis Hopper, Val Kimmerer,

Evan Intro: Gary Oldman, Brad Pitt, Christopher Walken, and many others.

Evan Intro: The film was released in 1993, was not much in the box office,

Evan Intro: with a budget of $12.5 million, netting only $12.6 million.

Evan Intro: However, I think over the years, The Legacy, looking back on it,

Evan Intro: it is a much better film than the box office showed.

Evan Intro: And as you'll see from our discussion, that it is a pretty iconic film from this period.

Evan Intro: I hope you enjoy this week's episode on True Romance.

Evan: All right well we will get into the conversation this week on true romance thank

Evan: you both for joining me today.

tyler: Thanks for having us yeah.

Kennan: Thanks for having us man.

Evan: Absolutely and i guess before we jump in i already kind of told everyone you

Evan: have uh your own podcast revolutionary rhetoric but before we jump into the

Evan: conversation do you want to tell everyone about it where they can find it all those good goodies.

tyler: Yeah sure thanks uh yeah it's just revolutionary rhetoric podcast kind

tyler: of wherever you get your podcast um spotify stitcher google

tyler: podcast whatever uh we just kind of do contemporary news

tyler: and current events through kind of a marxist lens so we just

tyler: take a lot of it's gaza um obviously just

tyler: because that's in and you know in the news right now but it's just kind of taking

tyler: whatever the big story of the week is and we just kind of discuss it from a

tyler: marxist perspective we just take two three four stories a week and just kind

tyler: of dissect them and do some some analysis and video and audio as well yeah both

tyler: video and audio so So check it out on YouTube and on any podcast app,

tyler: Revolutionary Rhetory.

Evan: But yeah, so I know when I sent you both the list of films that I chose,

Evan: you immediately chose True Romance. And well, I guess one of you did.

tyler: Yeah.

Evan: I don't know. Do you want to say, you said before we were on,

Evan: you said it's your favorite movie. But I guess before we, that doesn't really

Evan: need much other explanation on that. That's why you chose it.

tyler: That's why I chose it. Yeah. I was looking down the list and I saw True Romance

tyler: and I was like, that's the one. I mean, there were a couple of like,

tyler: the entire list was like just solid bangers. So I was like kind of.

tyler: hype for any one of them but then i came across true romance

tyler: and i know that kanon hadn't seen most of those movies uh in our

tyler: podcast we kind of clown on kanon for just not really

tyler: having seen any movies uh and like that's kind of my time for that that's like

tyler: my my bag is like movies and i'm a big like kind of i hate the saying movie

tyler: buff but i'm gonna be douchey and say i'm a movie buff and like all of those

tyler: were good picks but then i saw true romance and just that being my favorite

tyler: movie i just wanted to share that with kanon so that's why i kind of pitched

tyler: that that's sweet yeah that's.

Kennan: Very sweet of you.

Evan: No that's i like that it's uh it's it's always interesting there's

Evan: another podcast i listen to where a movie podcast and they often will do a movie

Evan: where one of them really loves it the other one has never seen it and then it

Evan: becomes kind of interesting because you want to get to see them talk about it

Evan: for the very first time or see it for the very first time and you know i don't

Evan: know maybe they'll uh have the same love for it or maybe they won't.

tyler: Yeah i mean i'm we haven't spoken about it since actually too because i kind

tyler: of just watched it earlier so i i'm curious to hear what kanan's thoughts are about my.

Kennan: Problem is like i don't like watching movies that i love with other people because

Kennan: i'm always nagging i was like this is the part where this.

tyler: Happens pay attention pay attention pay attention any of like my favorite movies

tyler: with my wife because she like could not give a shit less about movies so that's

tyler: the same thing i guess i'm like pay attention yeah.

Evan: I can understand that it's it's uh you know anytime you watch something where

Evan: even though i watched a movie with my kids and i'll have seen it a bunch of

Evan: times and i'll be saying the quotes and they're like shush shush we're trying

Evan: to watch this well it's like your movie is like a single movie.

Kennan: But my favorite movies lord of the rings and having to put my girlfriend to

Kennan: watch that it took us three years she we finally just finished it.

tyler: The hobbit and the lord of the rings yeah it took us three years.

Kennan: To watch six movies.

tyler: Damn yeah.

Kennan: Extended editions the the lord.

Evan: I actually just saw in the theater um the they put the first sorry no it was

Evan: the yeah the fellowship of the rings extended edition in the theater for i think

Evan: it was two weekends and i went to see.

Kennan: It as well also.

Evan: One of my favorite movies.

Kennan: I would watch return of the king and uh the two towers with her because she

Kennan: hasn't seen those either so we're like let's just hit them back to back this

Kennan: is taking way too goddamn long to watch these movies i mean.

tyler: It's a good timing they're back in theaters it's kind of.

Kennan: Easy four and a half hours it was like an entire flight to like across the oh yeah.

Evan: I mean seeing those in the theater is uh is always a treat but so

Evan: normally i mean sometimes i throw out like a little quick little uh fun thought

Evan: experiment icebreaker and usually i go with the very uncreative uh you know

Evan: if you could have dinner or drinks or something with like an actor living or

Evan: dead would you uh who would you pick yeah.

tyler: I thought a lot about this since you sent this list list of questions and uh

tyler: i think i gotta choose paul newman i don't i actually don't know paul newman's

tyler: politics that's kind of the one caveat to that is i don't know if he's like

tyler: some like died in the wool conservative or something which would be annoying.

Kennan: But it's a rush limbaugh daily but i.

tyler: Don't know i i was real big on butch cassidy and sunday scan and the sting when

tyler: i was growing up too my mom showed me those two movies those are like true romance

tyler: my favorite movie but i i kind of have this list of like top whatever movies

tyler: and both the paul newman robert redford uh movies are on there and just the

tyler: sting has a special place mark so i think paul newman would probably be probably be mine.

Kennan: That's a good choice i've honestly never seen this movie have you okay well

Kennan: have you heard of him have you heard of oh god.

tyler: Butch cassidy and the sundance kid nothing.

Kennan: Okay i okay okay after that oh my god dude i'm gonna

Kennan: make you a list oh my god um i don't know personally

Kennan: i i wrote ian mckellen just because lord of the rings and i'm

Kennan: just like i think i put too much energy in lord of the rings and i forgot other

Kennan: things existed for a long time that hyper fixated yeah just hyper fixated just

Kennan: my fucking adhd and probably probably a bit autistic as well yeah he's funny

Kennan: but uh i i think i might change that answer to um god what's his face,

Kennan: holy crap i blinked on his name and it's like the one of the biggest comedic

Kennan: stars of all time kevin hart no it's from the truman show oh jim carrey jim

Kennan: carrey i don't know why he popped out of my head but yeah i love like the ridiculousness

Kennan: of jim carrey and i think I think that would be just like a fabulous time.

Kennan: pick his mind just like what the fuck is going on in your brain i.

Evan: Think a lot actually from from all.

tyler: Like the.

Evan: Painting he does and all this stuff i think he's got a lot.

tyler: Going on i would have to push back on that the only thing i know

tyler: about jim carrey like personally is the quote from tommy lee jones and

tyler: filming um was it batman and robin or batman

tyler: forever one of the one of the batman sequels whatever one jim carrey

tyler: and um and tommy lee jones were in i guess tommy jones just absolutely fucking

tyler: despise working with jim carrey because he was just like a clown the entire

tyler: time and he said something the quote was something like i just cannot sanction

tyler: your buffoonery and it was just like tommy lee jones just wanted out and like

tyler: i just imagine that would be really obnoxious dinner date not to shit on your pick sorry i.

Kennan: Would i'd be clowning with him we'd be going off into like public uh spheres

Kennan: and jumping on tables oh sorry jumping on tables and like shouting obscenities yeah.

tyler: Yeah i just want to sit down and have a whiskey and a cigar and have a refined

tyler: dinner or he can be an absolute.

Kennan: Prick and be like i don't i.

tyler: Think he's a nice guy from what i know i.

Evan: Wouldn't yeah i could see him being more serious now you know that was sort of his younger uh.

tyler: Yeah ace ventura days movies like that days.

Evan: I actually like uh ian mcclellan as a as a pick

Evan: i'm not gonna steal that from you but that would be

Evan: a nice one to do i also would love to um i think actually you know i think it

Evan: would be vigo mortensen and i'm also a huge lords and rings fan and he also

Evan: has great he always says cool stuff and he recently said if they if you Peter

Evan: Jackson called him up and wanted to have him in a Lord of the Rings thing, he'd just do it.

tyler: Neil Mortensen's a good pick too.

Evan: Of course he would.

tyler: By all accounts, he's a super kind and generous guy.

Kennan: Just a genuine character. Yeah.

Evan: He went on TV during the... I guess it was the Two Towers right after 9-11 and

Evan: wore the No Blood for Oil shirt right on Charlie Rose's TV show.

Evan: You could have gotten blackballed from Hollywood.

tyler: That was a pretty bold time to do that for sure.

Kennan: Yeah well i think he so.

Evan: I'll give him props.

Kennan: Oh yeah i think i think he's always been a really good character um he's

Kennan: never went for huge movies he didn't really go for the money and from what i

Kennan: understand he went to do lord the rings because his son loved the books that

Kennan: was all right yeah yeah and so like that kind of speaks to what kind of person

Kennan: he is he always went for like there's like um smaller indie movies yeah.

tyler: He is he's in these two movies that i just i adore um eastern promises and history

tyler: of violence if you haven't seen either one of those i.

Evan: Knew you're gonna say i knew you're gonna say history of.

tyler: Violence they're so good yeah they're just kind of.

Kennan: Some more recent one with like the a racial film as well like about like racism

Kennan: and like the 60s oh uh green book with yes masha.

tyler: Or paula ali.

Kennan: Yeah but that was good too yeah i haven't seen that one yet i want to see it mahar.

tyler: Shala that.

Evan: One was like a pretty big uh did it did it win best picture or.

tyler: Yeah i think it was it was nominated for sure i don't remember if it won that

tyler: year was like 2019 or 2018 whatever that was yeah,

tyler: I could be way off on that year. That was a good one. I actually watched that pretty recently.

Evan: I actually haven't seen that one, but I've seen a lot of his new,

Evan: but you're right. He doesn't like do, you know, he's done. I'm looking at like his list.

Evan: He's done, you know, some here and there. He did like the psycho remake,

Evan: which I don't think I ever saw, which I'm sure is.

tyler: That was like the Vince Vaughn one or whatever. Yeah. I didn't see that.

Evan: Yeah.

tyler: I never saw that.

Evan: Yeah. I can't imagine that was good, but, um, but yeah, so, I mean,

Evan: I guess, I guess this would be a good moment to say, since one of you,

Evan: it's your favorite movie for you, Ty, and And then, Kanaan, it's first time seeing it.

Evan: I'm curious, both of you. I guess I'm more curious, Kanaan, what's your thoughts

Evan: on the movie? You know, you just saw it for the first time.

Evan: What would you say your impressions of it is?

Kennan: I think it was a very good movie. It was very well.

Kennan: I like the whole storyline and how it all comes together at the end.

Kennan: And it was just like a big bang.

Kennan: But it was kind of cliche a little bit from like the 90s. You know,

Kennan: you could tell this was like a late 80s, early 90s.

Kennan: they're trying to they're slowly getting away from like those one-liners and like more into,

Kennan: like a crime story kind of sense but i i liked it i liked it it wasn't it wasn't

Kennan: super cliche but it still had a little bit bit of that factor in there and i i really liked it yeah.

Evan: And for you ty what would you say it's being in your favorite movie what what

Evan: do you what would you say is your do you have a memory of actually seeing it for the first time i.

tyler: Don't remember seeing it for the first time um i had

tyler: a good friend of mine a long time ago and both uh him and i just kind

tyler: of to challenge each other we was we watched a lot of movies we like we used

tyler: to go to like a lot of like um we play a

tyler: lot of movie trivia games we do like we were like super nerdy about

tyler: it and so we were just trying to like find just cool movies to show each

tyler: other and that was one that i stumbled across i don't even remember how i

tyler: found it but i just i don't know i just fell in love with it i think

tyler: i i agree with a lot of what kanon says i think it is

tyler: very like of the times of the early 90s

tyler: and so it kind of has that vibe to it but i think what sets

tyler: it apart is like the chemistry mystery that

tyler: all of the actors have with one another that kind of like push

tyler: it past that like into past the

tyler: cliche and kind of into its own like higher achieving level of like where it

tyler: just it does stand apart i think it is more memorable than just like you know

tyler: other movies of the time even by the same um like director like thinking of

tyler: like last action not last action hero last boy scout and like all of these movies

tyler: kind of from the early 90s that like were in a very similar um.

tyler: Genre i guess but i think this one is just more i think hans zimmer has a lot

tyler: to do with that i think quentin tarantino has a lot to do with that um tony

tyler: scott is a pretty like you know i don't want to kind of shit on tony scott but

tyler: he's kind of like a lot of his movies were kind of more just generic action

tyler: movies i think all of his his entire filmography apart from this is kind of bland

tyler: um so there's some there's some good movies in there i did like deja vu which

tyler: came a little later but i think this is by far a standout and i think that has

tyler: a lot to do with just the chemistry of the two leads the writing the score and

tyler: tony scott's vision and direction yeah.

Evan: I mean well it's interesting you mentioned it being

Evan: um sort of like this i don't know cliche and you

Evan: know very 90s in a way i almost feel like that might have been sort of what

Evan: they were going for and especially when you think of the title sort of being

Evan: one of these sort of pulpy i mean it's also i think tarantino said that he was

Evan: thinking about this movie pulp fiction natural born killers like all kind of

Evan: being in the same little universe.

tyler: Yeah they were that was originally the same it was the same script originally um

tyler: the screenwriter for natural born killers or the script

tyler: writer i guess gave his first version to tarantino because

tyler: they worked at a video store together and tarantino gave him back a 500 page

tyler: handwritten like manuscript and that ended up being cut and two separate movies

tyler: were made from that which was natural born killers and this so they were kind

tyler: of like like twins almost in the womb kind of these movies so that's why there's

tyler: a lot of parallels between the two because they were kind of like one story

tyler: that was then divided. Yeah.

Evan: And I, and it was funny as he loves or he mostly loves Tarantino,

Evan: loves, uh, true romance, but hates natural war killers.

Evan: He thinks, uh, Oliver stone butchered that.

tyler: So I agree. I don't like natural more killers. In fact, I don't really like

tyler: any of Oliver stone's movies.

tyler: I know that might be like blasphemy to say on a movie podcast,

tyler: but I think Oliver stone's kind of like overblown a little bit,

tyler: um, kind of like bloated.

tyler: I digress. I mean, I think, I think everything that we've kind of said,

tyler: I think is what makes a true romance work in that, in that regard of like just the tightness of it.

tyler: And I think it was trimmed down and I think originally, um, well,

tyler: I'll save that for later.

tyler: We've got some more trivia. I'm happy to divulge later.

Evan: Well, and one, and I was, I think I mentioned, I was, I was watching this,

Evan: uh, maybe it was last week and I think I posted somewhere online,

Evan: like, you know, I can't think of any movie in the nineties that maybe had a better cast from,

Evan: every single side person the main characters everyone you know like samuel jackson

Evan: in it for a minute you have you know all these people in there and it's like

Evan: you said it doesn't work without everyone together and it just is stacked with

Evan: people i mean i mean yeah the amount of.

Kennan: Iconics and yeah.

tyler: Yeah i i agree and to answer your question you

tyler: pose that question like is there another movie from this kind of era with

tyler: a stacked cast and i think ironically enough speaking of oliver

tyler: stone i think jfk might become closest of like just everybody in jfk and also

tyler: gary oldman as as lee harvey oswald and jfk but i think that's kind of that

tyler: maybe comes close but i don't i don't think there's another movie except also

tyler: maybe like his other tarantino movies like pulp fiction perhaps that has like

tyler: as big of a cast yeah um the.

Evan: Only other one i was thinking uh which i actually just i haven't released it

Evan: but i just didn't recording on it is uh heat which probably maybe doesn't have

Evan: quite as many people in it but it has a pretty.

tyler: Everyone in it is you know you just have yeah yeah even like the kind of the

tyler: more i don't know like i think that's where like a lot of those guys shine is like, what was his name?

tyler: Dennis Haysbert and, um, and, uh, Danny Trejo and just everybody in heat is just crushing it.

Evan: Yeah, you have Henry Rollins as like this little side guy. Yeah, Hank Azaria.

Evan: Hank Azaria, true, too. Yeah, it's just got like, and Jeremy Piven,

Evan: I think, plays like a doctor.

tyler: Is Jeremy Piven in that?

Evan: Yeah, so I mean.

tyler: These- Jeremy Piven, okay. That's cool.

Evan: Yeah, he's in it for, I think, less than a minute, maybe not even a minute,

Evan: like 30 seconds. I think he does like a surgery or something on one of them after they get shot.

tyler: Oh, okay.

Evan: Anyway, it could go, that's, you can listen to the Heat episode.

tyler: I'm looking forward to it, nice, yeah.

Evan: So one of the things that I was looking into is, you know, obviously when I'm,

Evan: this is a leftist film podcast, we're thinking it from those ways.

Evan: I don't often look at a movie and say like, it's very clear.

Evan: You could almost see these two competing ideas, like, you know,

Evan: in a dialectical sense. And I think the two pieces of it that jumped out to

Evan: me as is like this reality versus fantasy.

Evan: And you have multiple characters in this movie, primarily like the leads,

Evan: you know, Christian Slater and Patricia Arquette, as sort of having competing

Evan: things in their mind of like their actual reality of, you know,

Evan: the life that they live, and then this fantasy that they want to live.

Evan: and it all comes together because christian slater's

Evan: character likes comic books he works in a comic book store like

Evan: one of the first scenes you see is him showing spider-man number one which i

Evan: think is kind of a good kind of a perfect scene in terms of kind of uh foreshadowing

Evan: of the rest of the movie but i don't know what you think about that as a kind

Evan: of like a backdrop for for the whole film itself as this just you know the reality

Evan: and the fantasy of all the different characters.

tyler: Yeah i think so i mean i think it's been um likened i

tyler: think it was tony scott pushed because the original script i

tyler: guess had both of the leads die in the end in the shootout they were supposed to die and

tyler: that was the ending that tarantino really was pushing for and i guess tony scott

tyler: had to really like convince tarantino to let them live because i

tyler: think he to quote tony scott he said it was because it

tyler: makes it more of a fairy tale and i think that's kind of like it's a happily ever

tyler: after kind of story so i think that kind of answers your question of

tyler: like yeah there is a lot of like almost fantasy elements to this in

tyler: terms of like not like fantasy the genre but fantasy

tyler: isn't like i mean christian slater is clearly either like disassociative

tyler: or a sociopath i mean he's like you know he's seeing elvis and you

tyler: know in in the bathrooms and stuff yeah so bad

tyler: yeah so like what the fuck who's this guy both christian slater

tyler: and patricia arquette's characters are like you know they have some kind of

tyler: like mental health issues like whatever you want to call it so there

tyler: is like this fantasy element to the whole movie but yeah i

tyler: don't know i think it is it's hard to pin because that's

tyler: this like it's almost like an underlying thing to the

tyler: main like reality plot so there's this fantastical element that kind of of underpins

tyler: the entire story as it moves forward in this very real very like grimy kind

tyler: of real world crime caper while at the same time having like these kind of touchstones

tyler: of like fantasy of like you know elvis visiting christian slater in the bathroom

tyler: every time he goes to the bathroom stuff like that.

Kennan: The bathroom because.

tyler: Just where he's alone you know.

Evan: Yeah that's where elvis died oh yeah and that's where that's.

tyler: A good point i actually hadn't even considered that that's.

Kennan: A good point like legit.

Evan: I mean i don't i don't know if that's why they did it but it makes sense right yeah.

Kennan: Well just a little bit of backstory it's like hell yeah like you know he died

Kennan: in the bathroom but like where does he where he's gonna see elvis we gotta throw

Kennan: him in there twice so you know just make two bathroom scenes and call it good yeah.

Evan: Yeah and the and it's interesting well kind of to to the point of the kind of

Evan: the like grimy reality i mean if you took away sort of the fantasy aspect of it.

Evan: You really have, you know, you obviously start out in Detroit,

Evan: which at the time is, you know, a city that's kind of on the downward slope, to say the least.

Evan: And then they go to LA in the early 90s, which is definitely,

Evan: you know, it's much different than it is today, or even, you know, in the heyday.

Evan: So it's kind of like these two places where if it was just that without any

Evan: of that fantasy side, it's, you know, it's pretty, everyone is pretty dark and

Evan: all the you know quote unquote bad guys you know the the drug dealer drexel

Evan: uh played by olben which brilliant.

tyler: Scene with him and.

Evan: Then you have the you know the um the christopher walken and the sicilians it's

Evan: all just like everyone is just out for themselves and uh it's kind of kind of

Evan: perfect that the pinnacle scene is just everyone shooting at each other.

tyler: Yeah with.

Evan: No regard for anything.

tyler: Which yeah like i think that's that's true like if you take away

tyler: those kind of fantasy elements to it if you take away like his kind of childlike

tyler: you know comics and and sunny chiba like kung fu

tyler: movie kind of obsessions it is just a very standard kind

tyler: of crime grimy crime story right with just the mob and cops and robbers and

tyler: you know and shootouts but then you add that kind of um almost whimsical hans

tyler: zimmer score and kind of that like fantasy element to it and it it that's kind

tyler: of what i was saying at the beginning is like that's what kind of pushes it beyond just

tyler: a generic kind of action movie is there's a certain like whimsy to it almost because they,

tyler: christian slater and patricia arquette are like very um like ambivalent toward

tyler: where they go next they're very just go with the flow and they're just along

tyler: for the ride and they're just like in love and sociopaths and just having a

tyler: good time on the you know on this on this road of whatever yeah.

Evan: And it's almost as you were saying before how sort of uh natural born killers

Evan: is sort of of like this uh twin kind of uh coming out of the same thing those

Evan: are like the complete opposite characters like they don't have that the fantasy

Evan: is removed and they're just psychopaths so it's kind of like uh.

tyler: They're just like hardcore killers yeah yeah yeah.

Evan: It's interesting how those two movies kind of have this complete similarities

Evan: but then they're just complete opposites as far as the uh i haven't seen in a while so i don't.

tyler: Yeah i guess i should i shouldn't speak too much about natural import killers

tyler: because i also haven't seen that movie in 20 years so i probably I probably

tyler: shouldn't speak too much on it. Yeah.

tyler: I just remember not really liking it. So have you seen natural burn killers? Yeah.

Evan: No.

tyler: Okay. So Woody Harrelson and.

Kennan: What year was it.

tyler: Forget who his partner was um 90 yeah early mid 90s maybe late 90s yeah 96 okay

tyler: yeah yeah that's the problem is like.

Kennan: I came here in 98 well with ford and parents.

tyler: Juliette lewis was that the female lead in that one i don't remember yeah okay

tyler: robert downey jr yeah yeah okay all right maybe i'll give that another it was

tyler: 94 okay maybe i'll give that one another shot that's what we're talking about

tyler: now but i'll give it i'll give it another shot yeah.

Evan: It's one of those ones where i also don't remember loving it but i think i may

Evan: have only seen it one time and just.

tyler: Yeah i.

Evan: Don't know i also think of movies that i saw when i was probably not ready to

Evan: watch them and then i watched them 20 years later i'm like oh shit.

tyler: Yeah that's probably true for me too it actually is a good movie i saw it in

tyler: the early to mid 2000s when i was in my like mid-teens so i probably just didn't

tyler: really appreciate it maybe maybe revisiting it now i might have a different

tyler: kind of lens to see it through i'll i'll give it a shot if i have time that's

tyler: also i remember being a really long movie too i think that's like a three and

tyler: a half or something i don't i don't recall but oh.

Evan: Man oliver stone always.

tyler: Makes yeah movies which is why i still yeah he still i think i think his movies

tyler: are a little bloated but that's that's just my own personal they're.

Evan: Often i i've only done i think i've done a couple of his war movies and they

Evan: have good aspects to them but then i also think there's a lot of problems with

Evan: them sort of the politics too but we don't have to go down the oliver.

tyler: We're talking about true True romance here, goddammit.

Evan: Yes, yes. And then the thing also, I mean, part of this is, but this is part

Evan: of sort of like the side part of that question of the reality versus fantasy,

Evan: is that Slater really, Christian Slater's character really is trying to sort

Evan: of hide, it almost seems like maybe run away from his life in Detroit,

Evan: and he's kind of given this,

Evan: out i guess you could say he meets someone he realizes it wasn't actually you

Evan: know meant to be it was sort of his his uh boss had paid for the call girl to

Evan: come and you know go out with him,

Evan: and clearly he had like nothing really going for him and he's like well you

Evan: know this person then all of a sudden professes they love me you know fuck it

Evan: i'm just gonna i'm just gonna go with it it's it's almost like that is ultimate

Evan: fantasy of just you know this beautiful woman comes in and And then the next

Evan: morning or that night, she says she loves it. So it's next morning.

Kennan: Kill somebody.

Evan: It's crazy.

tyler: Yeah. The next morning or then I. Yeah. Well, it's unclear.

tyler: Well, because they get married. So, like, it's unclear how many days have passed.

tyler: But yeah, he kills Drexel within, I don't know, presumably a few days of meeting her.

tyler: So, like, yeah, the whole thing gets a whole tattoo on him. Yeah.

tyler: Then we get matching tattoos. Yeah.

Kennan: She fucked me up. It's like the scene pops up and it's just like a tattoo of

Kennan: his name. But didn't you two just meet? Like, you guys really are for each other.

tyler: Yeah.

Evan: Yeah, that seems like one of those, you know, really bad decisions that normally

Evan: or normally would be a really bad decision.

Evan: But somehow in this in this dream fantasy, you know, they're they're meant to

Evan: each other, meant for each other or something. I don't know.

tyler: Yeah, I think that's kind of like going back to your question.

tyler: I think that I don't know.

tyler: I think that kind of is the ultimate and not the ultimate fantasy.

tyler: But that is like that's the fantasy, right?

tyler: You fall in love with a stripper. You fall like the bartender,

tyler: the stripper, the the prostitute, whatever.

tyler: They fall in love with you and you, you know, that's you run away together. other i

tyler: think that's got pretty cliche kind of fantasy for most men i

tyler: think like in a lot of senses i think it wouldn't work again

tyler: going back to i think the chemistry between uh slater and is just so like strong

tyler: and so believable that and also that element of they're both kind of playing

tyler: into it like the the acting choices they make of where they are kind of both

tyler: just slightly unhinged but they're not they're not full-blown crazy but they're

tyler: both just a little like unhinged that it just like,

tyler: it somehow it's believable and i think again i think all things kind of just

tyler: came converged to just make like a believable narrative between the two of them

tyler: i don't think that would have worked if you casted anybody else i think drew

tyler: barrymore was originally kind of like the lead for this i.

Evan: Saw that thank god.

tyler: Yeah and it's like it wouldn't work dude there's something about just them two

tyler: in particular and i just while we're on the subject i just want to shout out

tyler: christian slater because like man that dude crushed the 90s and i think he's

tyler: just like criminally underrated as like this cool 90s actor like i just recently

tyler: watched pop pump up the volume as well which was

tyler: so good and like i don't know he just did a lot of stuff in the 90s that he

tyler: doesn't get credit for he.

Evan: Did he was um uh i remember that movie very bad things i don't remember being

Evan: like a really good movie but i remember him being really good in it he was.

tyler: Also in broken arrow was pretty fun i don't

tyler: remember that movie being all that great i think i had probably more i think

tyler: john travolta was really him ended up in that movie but but i think christian

tyler: slater just comes he's always just comes off so cool and i'm just like yeah

tyler: i fucking love christian slater i just wish he did more but i don't think i

tyler: mean and then mr robot you know more recently he was great in mr a robot um

tyler: that's true yeah but anyway just shout out christian slater crushing it maybe.

Evan: Maybe maybe less of a shout out for doing that movie about pop tarts on frosted.

tyler: Oh see and that was the new jerry seinfeld movie or jerry seinfeld i didn't

tyler: see it i didn't know christian slater oh that's a bummer okay well i take back

tyler: everything i said fuck christian slater no i'm kidding i mean maybe he.

Evan: Maybe he's fine and i don't know i think he's he's actually has a new movie

Evan: coming out that's It's directed by Zoe Kravitz, some kind of drama thriller.

Evan: I don't know who else is in it.

tyler: Okay.

Evan: But I just.

tyler: I'm curious.

Evan: Briefly. So I don't know. I mean, maybe he's, he could still hook out. He's not that old.

tyler: He can.

Evan: He's only 54. Man, that's crazy.

tyler: Yeah. He was like younger than my dad. I think during True Romance,

tyler: he was probably like in his mid, late 20s. I mean, that was.

tyler: And I think Pump Up the Volume was even earlier than that. He played a high

tyler: school kid. Maybe he was just kind of just out of high school in Pump Up the Volume.

Evan: Yeah. He was 25 in True Romance. That's kind of crazy.

tyler: Yeah.

Evan: Yeah it kind of lends to the believability of it in some ways and i know we

Evan: already talked about the dude the elvis being this ridiculous thing and i also

Evan: had forgotten that it was played by val kilmer it doesn't really sound like

Evan: yeah you can't really tell and never show his face but.

tyler: Yeah it's just and i guess that was another thing not to keep interjecting with random trivia.

Evan: They were afraid.

tyler: To like tell val kilmer that like hey your face is never

tyler: going to be shown because it's kind of a big deal for an actor right to just

tyler: be told like hey you're not actually going to be shown in this movie but val

tyler: kilmer apparently was like all for it he like was like on board with the idea

tyler: and like the way that character worked within that script he's like no that

tyler: that makes sense and i'm not gonna be like a diva about it like that's fine

tyler: so i was like dude shout out to val kilmer for just being a bro and just not

tyler: showing his face an entire movie.

Evan: Yeah oh man talk about a guy who you know fall from grace mostly you know due

Evan: to health issues but man he was he also had a rock star 90s and kind of early

Evan: 2000s i love val yeah it was like kiss kiss bang bang was the last like.

tyler: Great thing i saw him in i think that was like the mid 2000s i'd have to look

tyler: at his i'd have to look at his film.

Evan: Yeah he had he had he got cancer like throat cancer

Evan: and like couldn't use his voice anymore oh bummer which is

Evan: what ended up happened to him yeah there's like a documentary i think

Evan: you can watch i don't know that it's super sad yeah because yeah

Evan: yeah they don't they don't like it's not publicized like they never really talk

Evan: about until the documentary came out okay but it's a shame i always love val

Evan: kilmer yeah but yeah i think though so one of this is also one little notes

Evan: that i had seen so in the in There's some point later when Christian Slater

Evan: refers to Elvis' movie Jailhouse Rock.

Evan: And it's one of those things where I think he kept using the kind of the moniker

Evan: of like living fast but doesn't die or whatever.

Evan: Or living fast, dying young. Now I can't remember.

tyler: Yeah, he said living fast, dying young and leaving a good looking corpse.

Evan: Yes, that's it. But it's funny is that in...

Evan: the movie jailhouse rock elvis does not die and it's just kind of this funny

Evan: i don't know if that was intentional in any way but just because elvis died

Evan: in like the worst way possible like a lot you know on the bathroom toilet you

Evan: know falls over and so maybe there's some kind of like him.

tyler: Having a hard time facing that reality and like it would be better to have kind

tyler: of died in you know this kind of more epic way than yeah i see what you're saying

tyler: kind of than the way he did go out.

Evan: Yeah i mean at any moment where if christian slater had actually died it would

Evan: have been kind of like a rock star way to go out probably yeah.

tyler: That's a good point actually another another layer to that movie's got layers.

Evan: Yeah this is one of those things where i i don't know i was trying to i don't

Evan: have the blu-ray or dvd or anything i'm sure that they might talk about some

Evan: of these things and some of the like commentary i couldn't find a ton actually

Evan: of tony scott talking about the yeah there's a 2002 edition of.

tyler: The like dvd that has some commentary on it i didn't i don't have that version.

Evan: Um i.

tyler: Have it digitally but um that's where like i was reading some trivia kind of

tyler: in in preparation for this i think that's where a lot of the uh it's according

tyler: to the 2002 commentary was like a lot of the kind of imprint the parentheticals in those.

Evan: So i think it was patricia arquette yeah and.

tyler: I don't know who else it was patricia arquette and somebody else was on that

tyler: um on that dvd commentary.

Evan: Oh it'd be cool if it was like you know um walk-in or i don't know some of those

Evan: other ones i think he was really he was a huge fan of the movie i saw like something

Evan: about that he loved his little his parts in the movie everyone had their part yeah.

tyler: And i was like watching this where the really critical lens of like each of

tyler: those kind of vignettes of like, you know, a new player enters the scene and

tyler: then they exit never to be really seen again. And that's kind of, um,

tyler: it's not unusual for Tarantino to kind of have a story like

tyler: set up like that but just like as you know

tyler: Dennis Hopper come on as Val Kilmer come on as Samuel Jackson Gary Oldman

tyler: all of these different kind of bit characters in this come on they

tyler: all crush it and like just everybody really gives it their all that scene between

tyler: Walken and Hopper is just so good uh like just Gary Oldman in general just crushes

tyler: this movie James Gandolfini like I was I re-watched that scene I like rewound

tyler: it a couple times because I just wanted to hear his monologue again and dude

tyler: like man shout out to that scene that was so good yeah that was great um stick.

Kennan: It in me one time he.

Evan: Was really good in it and like there's actually the scene in the trailer when

Evan: um it's having the conversation between dennis hopper and christopher walken

Evan: you see uh gandalfini kind of standing in the back with this.

tyler: Like evil little smirk yeah i caught that i was chasing like man knowing what

tyler: was gonna happen later i was kind of watching him more intently in that scene yeah yeah it's.

Kennan: Hard not to notice him you know with like toes from the sopranos like.

tyler: Oh sure yeah you're.

Kennan: Like god damn it is that that he's like the side character i'm like who's the main character.

tyler: So that's the thing it's funny enough actually james gandolfini

tyler: has another part in a completely unrelated movie

tyler: very similar to that where he's a hitman that goes and kind of

tyler: has this like really like heartfelt monologue with the person i think

tyler: he's supposed to kill who's uh it's the mexican with brad pitt and julia roberts

tyler: and james gandolfini is like a hitman who goes and he like he ends up like uh

tyler: discovering that he's gay and he comes out of the closet like and like him and

tyler: julia roberts have this like heart to heart i don't remember the details but

tyler: i was just like I always remember the parallels between the two scenes of James

tyler: Gandolfini going to kill somebody in a hotel room and ended up...

tyler: having this kind of one-on-one conversation.

Evan: He's been in a bunch of tony scott movies too i think that both he and dennis

Evan: hopper are in not dennis hopper um uh gene hackman is in enemy i guess i guess

Evan: they're not the same gandalf in crimson tide yeah which is also which is not

Evan: a the best movie like hunt for red october is the better the better sub movie yeah.

tyler: Yeah i remember liking crimson tide that was the denzel washington one about

tyler: like um gene hackman kind of went off the rails and wanted to pull the trigger

tyler: on the nuke i think if i remember correctly.

Evan: Yeah yeah and then He did Enemy.

tyler: Of the State, too, which also Gene Hackman. I don't think Gandolfini was in that.

tyler: But there's a lot of parallels between Enemy of the State, at least the final

tyler: scene, because it's a very similar thing where the police, the mob,

tyler: and kind of I think a third group all converge at this restaurant because they've

tyler: all been set up to go there to collect this item, whatever the MacGuffin was.

tyler: And it's like this three-way, everybody pointing guns at each other, and everybody opens up.

tyler: And it's Will Smith, I think, is under the table, and he crawls away.

tyler: way and so it's that that shootout scene from true romance is like mirrored

tyler: in an enemy of the state another tony scott movie it's like a very similar kind of climax i was just i.

Evan: Don't i haven't seen that one in a long.

tyler: Time enemy of the state that one was bizarre because i like jamie kennedy and

tyler: seth green and i think jack black are all like tech guys in the van and it's

tyler: just like that's also a very bizarre cast yeah and.

Evan: There's also the thing that um i think that there's some parallel to this is

Evan: like going deep into the weeds but i think jim hackman was also in the movie

Evan: the a conversation from the 70s where he's also like the same character almost

Evan: it's almost like a spiritual successor.

tyler: Kind of sequel-ish.

Evan: Kind of thing.

tyler: I think even um the theme song to

tyler: the conversation had a very similar uh like

tyler: um xylophonic kind of um whimsical thing

tyler: i think i think tarantino and zimmer i don't think that's a coincidence i think

tyler: tarantino and zimmer kind of got together and and or tony scott and kind of

tyler: that wasn't a coincidence i don't think that was just that's my half remember

tyler: trivia from reading it today so i think the conversation came up in in my reading

tyler: so i don't think that was uh unintentional yeah.

Evan: Anyone anyone out there hasn't seen that movie and likes you know a really good

Evan: uh kind of thriller i would uh definitely recommend that one for.

tyler: I actually haven't seen it i was i kind of it's on my radar now because of the

tyler: reading for today i'm like okay i'll have to come back oh.

Evan: And i just saw it recently so that's why i mean it was one of those ones like

Evan: oh i never saw it when i was younger and someone's like oh you should really

Evan: see the conversation i think i was watching uh the parallax view which is you

Evan: know part of the um the uh blanking on it's like trilogy of three films that

Evan: are very kind of the paranoia trilogy anyway.

tyler: But that's.

Evan: That we're going we can.

tyler: We keep going off that's the problem talking about movies is you just want to talk about movies i.

Kennan: Will have a question for you guys also if you had to replace one actor in that movie.

tyler: Easy,

tyler: that's what i wrote two notes down and i uh one is an answer to this question yeah.

Kennan: Who would you replace.

tyler: Michael rapaport i.

Kennan: Was thinking the same.

tyler: Exact thing and that's because of his politics now yep i just thought he was

tyler: garbage yeah he's a hokey actor in everything he's in i will say this was probably

tyler: re-watching it and i was being very critical because i despise michael rapaport

tyler: but i was watching him very critically and he didn't not deliver he he plays a very like shitty

tyler: actor and he did shitty acting and yeah he plays this kind of like derpy yeah

tyler: it's almost perfect right and it kind of worked for what he was doing there's

tyler: a couple moments where he's like

tyler: i don't know in like in the car scene i think and then uh when they're sitting

tyler: down right when they meet um lee donowitz and like i don't know there's just

tyler: a couple moments where i was like okay he he,

tyler: delivered those lines but i just for political sake i would say get rid of michael

tyler: albauer and that character you can kind of i think that one's swappable he didn't

tyler: deliver anything that was like super spectacular that somebody else couldn't

tyler: uh from the mid-90s you know should.

Kennan: Just swap the brad pitt and him.

Evan: Yeah i would have said that i would have said the exact same thing michael rapaport

Evan: but again for the exact same reasons of his you know what we know about him

Evan: now no one else in the movie really has a bad performance i mean some of the

Evan: characters that are like you know the other sicilians in there i think like the guy who plays luca.

tyler: Little wooden that guy's.

Evan: He's great you know paul van victor he's you know really i wouldn't replace

Evan: any of those guys like they all had just the right moment.

tyler: I think the two uh the two henchmen um donna was his henchman they have a few

tyler: lines more than kind of um they should i think and they they didn't quite deliver

tyler: but that's getting real nitpicky of like um because donna was so funny when he's like you,

tyler: uh he kept trying to tell him that he had a the clarence had a gun on him

tyler: you know donald was kept interrupting him we were like like don't be

tyler: rude or whatever and that was i just it was a funny scene but i think the those

tyler: two kind of uh bodyguards they didn't quite deliver but that's again that's

tyler: like being real what you don't know about me i hate cops right oh yeah that

tyler: line that line was a little like yeah it's.

Evan: Funny in my letterbox review that was literally like my whole review just that one that quote.

tyler: That's that's good but.

Evan: And it's actually cool i think um lee donowitz also is in tarantino's movie

Evan: once upon a time in hollywood i don't think he is in it.

tyler: But he might just be referenced yeah i mean that's it's

tyler: like the same universe his son um donnie donowitz from inglorious

tyler: bastards eli roth's character the bear jew yes that's donnie

tyler: donowitz lee donowitz is his son so this is on the this movie

tyler: i think qualifies uh if you're familiar with like the diverging

tyler: timeline theory of tarantino movies how there's two sets of there's a

tyler: fiction and a non-fiction universe within tarantino's oeuvre and this is the

tyler: non-fiction side of that i believe so like that makes yeah so like this is a

tyler: real movie within tarantino's universe because this is the diverging timeline

tyler: of world war ii where the allies murdered hitler so brutally so this is a hyper

tyler: violent world so that's the i think that's the theory speaking.

Kennan: Of hitler and jews i don't know if you guys notice like the little things i'm

Kennan: sure you have because you've watched the movie a million times.

tyler: Talking about rommel his dog no no jesus no.

Kennan: I'm talking about in the car scene as they're going to drive to the what was that the hotel.

tyler: Sure to.

Kennan: Drop off the drugs for money uh you can see them talking to each other and there's

Kennan: just the star of david like in a black like container like small black container

Kennan: i don't even like a plastic slip uh hanging there.

tyler: And i'm like.

Kennan: Was that was there any like you know.

tyler: In the purple car and signalism to.

Kennan: That or symbolism.

tyler: It was in there in the purple car in the cadillac but that's

tyler: clear that's clarence's car tony scott gave that car

tyler: to patricia orcat after filming because her car was like not running so a

tyler: little more trivia for her that's patricia orcat's actual i wonder why that was

tyler: i don't know i didn't notice that either well i do notice there was like a bunch

tyler: of because like dennis hopper's dog is called rommel who was like the very famous

tyler: is nazi general so like i wonder if there's just little like competing sides

tyler: to this of like nazi's shit and then like jewish shit that's just kind of sprinkled

tyler: throughout i'd have to like really like re-watch it with a super like microscopic lens the.

Kennan: Only reason i even noticed someone must have written an article about that oh yeah.

tyler: Because like i was just wondering like i was really thinking about that today

tyler: like why is his dog's name rommel like it's just so so bizarre the only reason i even like.

Kennan: Noticed it is because like i'm sitting there like looking at michael rapaport's

Kennan: face and i'm like you fucking fucker and i'm thinking about you know his support

Kennan: for israel and then i see star.

tyler: David just looking back.

Kennan: And forth i'm like what's going on here.

tyler: I have no idea what kind of symbolism.

Kennan: What is this supposed to mean like.

tyler: It doesn't have to be there why do you have to put us i don't know you know

tyler: yeah most a lot of movies don't even show crosses or.

Kennan: Anything like that this guy's like let's just throw that in there.

tyler: Well because like i don't i mean maybe.

Kennan: If it's their own personal car maybe they just forgot to take it off maybe we're.

tyler: Yeah i don't know whose car it was um it was somebody's car because i think

tyler: it was tony scott's car because he gave it to patrick or at least you know the

tyler: production purchased it i don't i'm not sure if it was actually somebody's personal

tyler: car ahead of time but yeah i don't know interesting good catch i didn't catch

tyler: that i don't i don't know i don't know why that would be there i.

Evan: Didn't either i was i was you know i just briefly looked like to see if there's

Evan: anything about it but maybe it also has to do with the dennis hopper and christian

Evan: slater are kind of like you know estranged i guess you could say they've you

Evan: know don't have a very good relationship they don't see each other and that

Evan: would make sense maybe he's like well well,

Evan: my dad's a Nazi lover and, you know, I'm, you know, not.

tyler: Just like a way of kind of like rebelling, a way to act out.

Kennan: I missed that. Was his dad supposed to be a Nazi lover?

tyler: I don't know. I mean, his name is Rommel and he's an ex-cop.

tyler: I mean, what more evidence do you need, man?

Kennan: Okay, you've sold me.

tyler: I don't know. I don't know. I mean, he's like pretty vehemently racist.

tyler: His dog's name is Rommel. I mean, that's not a lot of evidence.

Kennan: I mean, yeah, he was literally calling the Sicilians the N-word because the

Kennan: Moors happened to be in Sicily.

tyler: Yeah so like but that was to get under.

Kennan: Their skin i don't know.

tyler: If that was like meant.

Kennan: To be like purely just out of racism.

tyler: Yeah i don't know probably a little probably a little bit of both yeah we know

tyler: that he was like a pretty heavy alcoholic we don't know a ton about their history

tyler: but we do know that they are estranged because of like um you know his alcoholism

tyler: and kind of after either the mom died or left i don't know if it's clear made and we know that um,

tyler: creatures later didn't have like a great upbringing there's that scene where they're

tyler: at the airport after the gandolfini scene where he's talking about he always

tyler: hated airports because it you know like growing up poor in detroit he lived

tyler: near an airport and like people just getting away and being able to kind of

tyler: travel it was something he like watched his whole growing up and was never able

tyler: to like take part in that so he kind of grew resentful of that so we know that

tyler: he's you know poor but that's the extent of it i guess well.

Evan: I guess that that i mean we haven't i briefly kind

Evan: of mentioned like the dialectical kind of reality versus fantasy

Evan: but i mean i don't think we're at

Evan: minute i don't know what minute of the podcast and i haven't no

Evan: one has used the word capitalism which is more i'm just kind

Evan: of joking but when i think about like the like the cruel

Evan: realities of you know all these different sort of

Evan: crime syndicates you have the you know the call you know you have drexel and

Evan: you have the sicilians and you have all these different things you also have

Evan: you know the hollywood isn't necessarily crime ridden but it's definitely you

Evan: know all these things to actually make it in hollywood i'm wondering if you

Evan: like how you you would see sort of,

Evan: or if you would see any kind of, I don't really know how to ask this in like a question form,

Evan: but sort of, you know, how do you think that sort of like the capitalist sort

Evan: of system and structure leads some of the, I guess, characters to make the choices they do?

Evan: You know, a lot of times you'd say you're a criminal because you kind of probably

Evan: got in trouble when you're younger, you went to prison, you could never shake

Evan: that, no one would hire you, so you have to go to do something that,

Evan: you know to pay the bills literally and so you might lead to uh to life of crime

Evan: but it does kind of seem like drexel enjoys his uh his uh violence just shooting people for fun yeah.

tyler: Certainly did you have something.

Kennan: Yeah i was gonna say the entire movie is based upon like the disparity of capitalism

Kennan: because if you really think about it they're willing to take a risk uh with

Kennan: for to sell you know this coke for 200 grand to live for maybe 10 years traveling

Kennan: because Because they're always living off a minimum wage.

Kennan: I mean, if you remember in the scene where he takes her to his workplace where

Kennan: he's selling comics and stuff, he's like, she's like, how's your pay?

Kennan: And he's like, well, it's not great, but you know, the people love me and blah, blah, blah.

Kennan: And she's a call girl, which is like two ends of like people are doing things

Kennan: they have to do just to survive.

Kennan: And then they're given this chance to, you know, have enough money for the next

Kennan: 10 years without worrying about it.

Kennan: And they'll do anything for it. and then hereby there's

Kennan: like some random fucking rich producer who's like ah

Kennan: here's 200 grand for coke and it is like he's not even thinking twice about

Kennan: it and it kind of shows you like the two sides of like uh hollywood and then

Kennan: there's you know again they started out in detroit michigan where everything's

Kennan: poor this rf with a scene where there's homeless people you know circled around

Kennan: a metal barrel with a full of fire.

tyler: Although the opening credits yeah a lot a lot of it.

Kennan: Is varied you know towards like that class spectrum of like here's two different lifestyles.

tyler: Yeah and i think like that even kind of pushes the whole like fantasy

tyler: theme a little further too because like that's the dream right some you

tyler: know something falls in your lap you're if you're a poor working class american and

tyler: then you just get this opportunity something for like a suitcase full of drugs falls

tyler: in your lap so that you can sell that kind of furthers that

tyler: like you know the get rich quick like making it almost you know i mean not making

tyler: it as in like becoming you know the a successful businessman but making it just

tyler: in like a way out of poverty and kind of what i just just mentioned previously

tyler: kind of alluding to like you know they both presumably grew up in poverty because

tyler: she came from florida and he grew up in poverty in detroit so yeah i mean that that kind of,

tyler: I would assume that's their kind of primary motivation for just like being so

tyler: committed to this caper of selling this cocaine is just like to get out of that

tyler: kind of cycle of poverty.

Kennan: To get into that situation, they had to be slightly sociopathic to do the things that they did.

Kennan: This guy, the only reason they ended up having the drugs is because this guy

Kennan: was like, you know what? I'm going to go kill that guy.

Kennan: Yeah, fuck him. And his friend. And that's the way.

tyler: Well, to be fair, he didn't go there to kill him. He just went there to get

tyler: a suitcase. And then things spiraled and he was getting his ass kicked and he pulled a gun on him.

Kennan: No, no, no. He went there to kill him. because don't you remember like in the

Kennan: beginning he's like uh like the elvis literally you know the elvis in.

tyler: His head convinced him to go.

Kennan: Kill him because even the cops wouldn't care about like him killing us.

tyler: No but that happened after didn't it no oh that was before that was before yeah.

Kennan: And so like i.

Evan: Think he probably went there with the possibility.

tyler: Of doing it because he brought it so he knew the possibility but i don't think

tyler: he intentionally like went there with like the premeditation of like i am going

tyler: there to kill drexel i think like but.

Evan: He did bring the envelope, which I think is so funny. He like found an envelope

Evan: that he used to make the little There's nothing in there.

Evan: But no, I think you're completely right. I think that the, you know, and in some ways too,

Evan: to succeed you know in you know to become

Evan: like a the level of a capitalist you have to be

Evan: like a psychopathic person to to do all

Evan: those things so it's not really any different and the fact that

Evan: they accidentally get the suitcase full of

Evan: coke just because the people are just you know giving him his stuff real quick

Evan: as he's you know after he's just killed uh drexel he you know that was just

Evan: luck too right so there's it's the only way you can succeed is both luck and

Evan: also to be a psychopath so he has both of those uh you know kind of handed to him well.

Kennan: Even for that they also they have to work just to sell the drugs because to even.

Evan: Get to that.

Kennan: Point of being able to sell the drugs and make the money they're basically being

Kennan: hunted down by the capitalists or by the.

Evan: State that.

Kennan: Had uh that is using the police to uh to arrest them to not be able to make

Kennan: that money so either way they were kind of screwed on all corners and then you

Kennan: know just and there's that fairytale dream that they survived at the end ran

Kennan: away with the money and then had lived happily ever after.

Evan: Yeah and also and i guess you could almost see the um

Evan: like the italian mafia sicilians or whatever you want to call call them as sort

Evan: of you know it's they they are kind of like the capitalists trying to well i

Evan: guess they are in some sense in their own version of their what they do they're

Evan: coming after them because you've you've stolen like Like if you steal from,

Evan: the worker steals from their boss,

Evan: they will come at you with, you know, the law, maybe not, you know,

Evan: guns and James Gandolfini with dangerous smirks.

Kennan: If I had to go out, man, if I had to go out, I'd love James Gandolfini to come kill me.

tyler: Well, rest in peace to the legend, James Gandolfini.

Evan: Oh, man. He just died a couple years ago.

tyler: Right? Yeah.

Kennan: I didn't even know he died.

tyler: He died like two, three years ago. Something like that.

Kennan: Damn, RIP, bro. go i just started getting into it i think.

tyler: Maybe it was like last year it was pretty recently right yeah gandolfini yeah

tyler: a lot of people just died tony scott killed himself um the director of tony scott gandolf.

Evan: Yeah tony scott jumped off a bridge yeah.

tyler: He did i guess supposedly he was diagnosed with cancer 2013.

Kennan: He died in rome italy.

tyler: Denis hopper no gandolfini that was 2013 while it felt like it was not that long ago that.

Kennan: Was 11 years ago.

tyler: Or a decade ago wow old uh because i remember that yeah because he had a couple

tyler: movies that were in the can that's like he had a couple movies that continue

tyler: to come out up until 2015 or something like his movies were continuing to come out,

tyler: with him having long been dead scott.

Kennan: Died in 2020 in 2012 sorry.

tyler: 2012 yeah off.

Kennan: The vincent thomas bridge.

tyler: Yeah and then dennis hopper's dead i think that was cancer why do you why why did he.

Kennan: Jump off i mean.

tyler: Obviously you're sad he left a note but the family never

tyler: disclosed it uh but he was i think recently diagnosed with cancer and they found

tyler: some kind of um sleep aids and antidepressants in a system so i think it was

tyler: just a combination of you know whatever mental health issues going through plus

tyler: being diagnosed with cancer um i don't know you know his brother i don't know

tyler: if you're familiar his brother ridley scott oh wait.

Kennan: Uh is that the author.

tyler: No he's a director he's like i mean he used to be ridley scott used to be great

tyler: i think he's kind of falling off wait.

Kennan: Is he napoleon is that the movie.

tyler: Yeah yeah okay those are the more recent gladiator gladiator uh that's right

tyler: alien i mean fucking alien um oh.

Kennan: What's han simmer again dude han simmer is like crazy genius when it comes.

tyler: To music.

Kennan: And movies yeah.

tyler: I love that theme and I think speaking of

tyler: themes I kind of do like that that's the theme of Slater is

tyler: just like being cool like you you alluded to it earlier of

tyler: just like it's better to die young and leave a good-looking corpse and to

tyler: kind of you know go out on the toilet or whatever and that's like there's a

tyler: theme song is called you're so cool and Christmas later just all about being

tyler: cool and then Patricia I can't writes on the napkin you're so cool and that's

tyler: just like that's what kind of I don't know fuels Slater's kind of identity throughout

tyler: this movie is just that idea of like you just have to be cool and he brings that

tyler: confidence and that swagger to kind of his business dealings where it's like,

tyler: there's a couple of scenes that I think this, again, gives credit to Slater's

tyler: performance where like behind closed doors, his like hands are shaking,

tyler: you know, and he's not this suave, swagger, confident guy,

tyler: but he's doing that to kind of like, because Elvis wants him to or because,

tyler: you know, he has this idea of what cool should be.

tyler: And so he brings that. And I just, I think that there's a lot of kind of,

tyler: again, understated performance from Christian Slater that he just kind of really

tyler: brought to like, to that, to that character of just,

tyler: really just like there's some subtleties and nuances which i'm a big fan of.

Evan: Definitely and i think um what like i but this is maybe not like the we're not

Evan: at the end necessarily but i'm curious um just because i was thinking about

Evan: it what would you say is your favorite scene,

Evan: scene you could well i'll go say scene of the of the movie.

tyler: You want to go first no.

Kennan: I'm trying to think.

tyler: I have mine i think it's the gandolfini uh patricia ricat scene that's that

tyler: speech that he gives about like your first kill and your second kill and then

tyler: you know now i just kill just watch Watch their expressions change.

tyler: I think Gandalf and he just delivered that just so earnestly.

tyler: I just thought that was really cool. Really cool. Cool moment.

tyler: I think that's probably, probably my favorite.

Evan: I like that scene. I, I also, the, the moment when they first,

Evan: I guess it's sort of at the very end when they first arrived to Lee Donowitz's

Evan: hotel room, like before the actual shootout, just like the conversation between what's his name?

Evan: Uh, the actor Saul Rubnick and Christian Slater and the whole thing is just,

Evan: it just, he's just this, um, eccentric person.

Evan: person you would this it's almost like the stereotypical rich director guy who

Evan: just you know he keeps getting told how good his movie is and he's just this

Evan: huge prick and he's i don't know.

tyler: Yeah i love that i like that too and i also like that they address that like

tyler: later in the bathroom he's like i'm not asking him and he's like no you're telling

tyler: him what i what he wants to hear and that there's a difference there and like

tyler: because christian slater's aware that he's like might be laying it on too thick

tyler: so elvis has to kind of tell him that no it's okay so yeah i like that too and

tyler: i like that even the movie was self-aware enough to kind of like reference that

tyler: scene within its own movie i just thought that was cool do.

Evan: You think that they were referencing like platoon or something like that.

tyler: I think it was probably an like analogous to platoon or um uh not not deer hunter

tyler: what's the other one apocalypse well they talk about apocalypse now and deer

tyler: hunter i think um they do yeah.

Evan: I think he says those are his so i guess it.

tyler: Must be platoon yeah yeah or i don't know what's the other famous one hamburger

tyler: hill i guess is the other kind of third vietnam movie full metal jacket that's

tyler: fair i forgot about that one yeah i assume it's just maybe just like analogous

tyler: to kind of any and all of those movies as a,

tyler: genre just those kind of 70s 80s Vietnam movies,

tyler: I guess Deer Hunter was probably late 60s, but yeah. Or no, Deer Hunter was

tyler: late 70s. What am I thinking? Yeah.

Evan: One of the other things that I like this, put this in my, maybe it was in one

Evan: of the questions I should like I share with you is sort of the,

Evan: where I think I mentioned at the beginning, sort of how one of the very first

Evan: scenes, Christian Slater with our Patricia Arquette is in his comic book store

Evan: and he pulls out, he's like, yo, do you want to see Spider-Man number one? And he shows a tour.

Evan: And they also specifically mentioned again that the character in the comic is fighting a Nazi.

Evan: so another like little call back to fighting nazis and

Evan: he has this ring and he jumps in he's willing to do whatever it takes and it

Evan: also seems like that is also kind of the story that he goes by and that he you

Evan: know he's protecting this person through you know quote-unquote superpowers

Evan: he's not a superhero just a random guy but he gets pumped up by a fake elvis

Evan: in his head and somehow gives him.

tyler: Superpowers so.

Evan: It's all this.

tyler: Okay but i think again that kind of once again pushes

tyler: that fantasy element because later in the movie he does get shot in the head and he survives and

tyler: like well yeah it's just kind of a glancing shot but i think that is meaning that's they're

tyler: definitely i think they're aware of that of like it's just more of those fantasy

tyler: elements of like where you know the main character gets shot in the head but

tyler: survives and he is kind of this superhero um whether i mean like whether he

tyler: is or not is irrelevant it's kind of like the character itself is just kind

tyler: of has that they'll almost those attributes so yeah i think i totally agree,

tyler: that that's probably intentional and you know there is parallels though there and.

Evan: I also know I had never actually seen, so at the beginning they talk about the

Evan: Kung Fu movies they go to see in the theater, Street Fighter.

tyler: Yeah, the Sonny Chiba movies. I haven't either. I actually wasn't like super

tyler: familiar with Sonny Chiba.

tyler: I was doing some research and I didn't know that that was Satori Hanzo in the

tyler: Kill Bill. That's Sonny Chiba.

tyler: Like he's later in Quentin Tarantino movies, which I thought was like a fun full circle.

tyler: Because I didn't even know Sonny Chiba was real. I thought that was maybe just

tyler: like a Bruce Lee analogy kind of thing. And so I was doing some research and

tyler: I was like, oh, Sonny Chiba was real.

tyler: These are actual like Kung Fu movies from the you know, 70s and 80s.

Evan: Well, the note that I wrote down is that he just he's like describing the plot

Evan: of the movie to British Arquette in the theater.

Evan: And it almost seems very similar to sort of like the plot of the movie to it

Evan: just this guy who, you know, goes out and beats a bunch of people up to,

Evan: you know, because he's told to well, maybe I'm maybe I'm stretching. Yeah, I don't know.

tyler: I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't somewhat intentional.

tyler: I mean, from what we know about Tarantino, he has this kind of like encyclopedic

tyler: knowledge of all things like obscure movie.

tyler: And so like, you know, he has been one to kind of intentionally place those

tyler: parallels of like his characters talking about movies or his characters talking

tyler: about pulp culture aspects that mirror the story of the movie.

tyler: So I guess I don't know. I don't know enough about the movies to really say one or the other.

Evan: No, but I think I've heard that too. He always throws in these little references

Evan: that are, he's probably thinking like, hoo-hoo, no one will know this.

Evan: And then, you know, I guess someone knows and then everyone knows because.

tyler: Because it's on.

Evan: I mean, maybe when it first came out.

tyler: Some BuzzFeed article talks about it or something, yeah.

Kennan: Did you notice the first article?

Kennan: the first uh girl uh you talked to in the uh the slater talked to the very beginning

Kennan: of the movie she was like full-on dressed up like marilyn monroe.

tyler: Yeah i was i've always been unsure if herself was

tyler: a prostitute or not and like i think that's why he when he invites

tyler: her out because they do seem to be getting like you know hitting it off and then

tyler: he invites her to a movie and she declines and i've always been curious whether or

tyler: not because like why is this random you know some would say

tyler: attractive woman hanging out in some skeezy bar with with you know sitting next

tyler: to christian slater i i've always kind of like it's always been unclear to me

tyler: whether or not she was a prostitute and i i assume she was and that's why she

tyler: kind of declined she's like oh no this guy's kind of a loser because he just

tyler: talks about comics fucking elvis and then going to going about fucking elvis like listen.

Kennan: I would never fuck a man but if elvis was in this room right now god his pants would be down i was like.

tyler: Is somebody.

Kennan: Here gay like that.

tyler: And unfortunately some like some pretty dated and offensive language throughout

tyler: the movie but yeah especially like in regards to that scene but in the.

Kennan: Movie theaters he's like oh the oriental and i'm sitting here i'm like.

tyler: What yeah it's.

Kennan: Like 92 93 i'm like they really say that yeah i don't know that's well.

Evan: Tarantino's kind of known for those kind.

tyler: Of uh kind of things yeah he.

Evan: Loves to drop the n-word in like every one of his movies.

Kennan: And the only guy that dropped the n-word in that entire movie uh was a white guy.

tyler: Yeah the very big yeah i think samuel jackson may have dropped a couple but

tyler: yeah Yeah, it was Drexel and Dennis Hopper. I think are the only two that said it.

Kennan: Yeah, the absurdity of Drexel. I think that was my favorite scene to be honest.

tyler: Fun fact, Gary Oldman agreed to that part just on a description of the character

tyler: without having read the script.

tyler: I think it was like Tony Scott just said, like described him as like,

tyler: you play a crazy man who like is white, but thinks he's black.

tyler: And Gary Oldman was like, sounds good. That's me. Gary Oldman just was like.

Evan: Yeah, dude. Gary Oldman is like one of the best actors. I agree.

tyler: I think he also has some questionable politics. I think he's like old school

tyler: Churchillian kind of guy. um but like but as far as acting like say if we go

tyler: if you want to separate the art from artists gary oldman's such a such a beast

tyler: like when it comes to throwing down no.

Evan: One plays like better bad guys.

tyler: For the most part there was that string of the 90s this um fifth element leon

tyler: where he's just like he's just this insane dracula dracula that's right like

tyler: like every other year in the 90s he was just like this insane character that

tyler: was just like wildly different and unrecognizable to the next one but.

Evan: Did you already say the professional.

tyler: Leon professional uh fifth element this and Dracula like we're all within like

tyler: a year or two apart like back to back to back to back to back and just like

tyler: it's just like Gary Oldman ate the 90s up.

Evan: Yeah, and then they got to give him the Batman movies later to, I don't know.

tyler: Yeah, to tone it down a little bit, I guess.

Evan: He's like, it's almost hard to see him not all in a different kind of makeup or something.

tyler: He played Churchill in Darkest Hour, and he was unrecognizable in that because he had the full fat suit.

Evan: That's true. Yeah, he kills it. But so here's a, tell me if this theory is crazy.

Evan: So the very opening scene where he's talking to the other woman and she rejects

Evan: him. is it possible that that was also hired by the boss but she's like i'm

Evan: not you're talking about elbows too much i'm not even going to do this.

tyler: That never occurred to me and i i think i think i would agree with that and

tyler: that's why shark cat's late to the theater maybe um because she got called in

tyler: last minute or something oh yeah i mean that's yeah i had never occurred to

tyler: me but i could totally buy that sure i'm going with that yeah let's say that yeah.

Evan: I i had never considered that before until like.

tyler: Yeah because maybe like maybe because that that was always that one always kind

tyler: of stuck with me as a very odd choice of like why is this girl in that bar and

tyler: so yeah that maybe makes sense that she was paid to be there and then she was

tyler: just like nah and then that's why later on after he goes to theater patricia

tyler: arquette walks in late and asks her to him to catch her up uh maybe because

tyler: she was supposed to you know that what the plan was at the bar the.

Kennan: First one i remember when he was talking to the first girl she's like you want

Kennan: me to take me to watch a kung fu movie he's like yeah he's like three of them.

tyler: She's like no yeah and it walks away and the first one's like i love kung fu movies yeah okay the.

Kennan: Second one coming in just like oh my god these are like my favorite.

tyler: And they were i think i feel like they were dressed fairly similarly they're

tyler: right like leopard print and stuff so i think it was i don't know i think there's

tyler: totally something yeah well.

Evan: Well and it would also make sense too as to maybe why patricia arquette knew

Evan: that he was at that specific movie theater watching the movies because she had

Evan: told the he tells the other woman.

tyler: Yeah the sunny chiba she calls the guys like i can't do this i'm.

Evan: Not doing it you know take your money or whatever.

tyler: Interjecting with another go go.

Evan: To this movie theater where he is.

tyler: Jack black filmed the scene he was the theater usher but the scene was cut no

tyler: way yeah oh man just to continue adding stack because yeah jack black was like

tyler: a bunch of cameos in the early 90s um before he kind of was doing a bunch.

Evan: Of uh tony scott.

tyler: Movies like.

Evan: You said in enemy.

tyler: Oh yeah later in this day yeah um but yeah so i guess apparently there's a scene

tyler: that was cut um which i don't think it exists anymore um of jack black as a

tyler: theater usher at that theater i.

Kennan: Have one more yeah.

Evan: Jack black did a bunch of weird movies i.

Kennan: Have one more question for you guys i it kind of threw me off like there's some

Kennan: parts in this movie that just kind of throw me off but uh you guys remember

Kennan: after they leave uh his dad's house and right before they leave um was our cat.

tyler: Patricia yeah.

Kennan: Patricia charquette she goes up to his dad.

tyler: And just making out with him i i i didn't know what to think of.

Kennan: That i just i i was so confused.

tyler: Yeah i don't what was that about is that like an american thing where like you like you kiss.

Kennan: The dad's dad on the lips like i don't.

tyler: Know i threw me off she's like not like peaches yeah that was a weird a weird

tyler: bit to leave in i i don't know if maybe that should have been left on the cutting

tyler: room floor i'm not sure but I don't know.

Evan: It's not even necessary really, except for that line, like the peaches line.

Evan: It's almost like that was the only way to get to that line.

tyler: Tarantino just kind of wanted that line. So he had to kind of shoehorn in a,

tyler: like a reason to get there in the end, you know?

Kennan: The actor's like, I'm only doing this part if I make it. Yeah.

tyler: Yeah. I don't, I don't really know. I think, you know, we'll just chalk that

tyler: out to Tarantino still kind of honing his craft in the early nineties or late

tyler: eighties whenever he actually wrote this script.

Kennan: I thought there was just something there. I don't know. Yeah.

Kennan: It's like, is this symbolic or something?

Kennan: Cause she's like, i'm very monogamous and then he starts making out with the

Kennan: dude's dad and i'm like dude if i saw my wife like making out with my dad i'd

Kennan: be like we're over like what are you doing i'm sure there's something you.

tyler: Can unpack there maybe i'm not sure.

Kennan: Is that like oh maybe.

Evan: Like his he has like sexual tensions.

Kennan: Of some sort.

tyler: I don't know i don't know man i got a weird guy coming up with nothing yeah

tyler: yeah he's he does have some you know weird proclivities and.

Evan: They i mean they really show also i was thinking of dennis hopper as like he

Evan: they talk about how they grew up you know very

Evan: poor you know even as a cop like you know you're not getting paid super well

Evan: in detroit probably but you know that's okay but i guess presumably he probably

Evan: drank and you know spent all their money but now he lives in a trailer next

Evan: to a train track i mean that is uh yeah and he's like in detroit like that's

Evan: the bottom of the because.

tyler: He's getting off work at like super early a.m so i assume it's just some kind

tyler: of overnight security guy um because his his um pat says something like it.

Kennan: Wasn't police yeah.

tyler: Yeah it wasn't police it was said something something security i forget the

tyler: name of the company it was like you know a mall or something Well.

Evan: Maybe they don't even have balls left to destroy at that time.

Kennan: Especially at night.

tyler: Yeah, just some security. So, yeah, he's just kind of also at the kind of outer

tyler: edges of poverty, but is now clean.

tyler: He mentions in the movie that he doesn't drink anymore, I guess,

tyler: presumably having gotten over his alcoholism or recovering from his alcoholism

tyler: that kind of led to their estrangement earlier in the timeline.

Evan: One of my other in that same scene with uh dennis hopper i think one of my favorite,

Evan: lines throughout that like after his little monologue and then he you know picks

Evan: up and he shoots him and i think uh christopher walken says i haven't killed

Evan: a guy since 1984 i just think.

tyler: That's yeah i.

Evan: Don't know what it was about that line but i just started just cracks.

tyler: Yeah i think it just goes to the fact like of how much he

tyler: got under his skin like canons that early like why he told that story and just

tyler: like it just really pissed christopher walken's character off um kakadi kirkody

tyler: i forget his name but um yeah it's yeah i thought that was great too i think

tyler: everyone in that scene just just really delivered and that story in particular

tyler: because we're walking i think in particular is just like really great in that in that movie oh.

Evan: Wait but did you did you um can i say what your favorite uh scene was.

tyler: Yeah the very beginning scene.

Kennan: Where he's uh talking to dra uh

Kennan: draxel yeah oh you said that right yeah i thought it was that draxel scene.

Evan: Also is great the.

tyler: Lamp throwing the lamp back and forth and that's kind of that actually that

tyler: goes back to what I was talking about that like confidence of Swagger where

tyler: he's like I'm not sitting because I'm not going to be here that long I'm not

tyler: eating because I'm not hungry and I'm not watching the movie because I've seen

tyler: it before and he lists like the movie and like the credits and stuff you know

tyler: and I think that just that plays into his like that false kind of bravado that

tyler: he brings where he like he may not be feeling it,

tyler: but he on the outside he shows it you know yeah.

Evan: He keeps like knocking the like you said the like the the lampshade back and

Evan: just the whole monologue that drexel has too where he's you know he was like

Evan: you didn't sit down because you know you know if you sat down and had an egg

Evan: roll we'd you know be we'd be chatting it's uh.

tyler: Yeah just.

Kennan: Drexel there's that.

tyler: Character like what were they thinking like what is that he has only like one eye the.

Kennan: Other one has like it's cataracts.

tyler: Completely yeah i think i read somewhere maybe i don't want to like totally butcher

tyler: this i don't want to misremember it but i guess gary oldman was having a hard time finding um

tyler: you know the the delivery the the voice for that and

tyler: it wasn't working and tony scott kind of wasn't feeling it and i guess they like somebody

tyler: delivered food to gary oldman's trailer uh and he had this voice and gary was

tyler: like wait wait say this line and he showed him the lines and the guy like told

tyler: him how to say the lines and it was just like some you know poor detroit black

tyler: kid i guess and it's like him and Gary Oldman kind of work together to really

tyler: workshop Drexel the character.

tyler: I don't know how much truth is there.

Kennan: I know I'm giving Oldman fucking a lot.

tyler: I don't know how much truth is there, but I don't know.

Kennan: My friends are never going to believe this one.

Evan: Oh man, you should have parlayed that in to be like a consultant on some movies or something.

tyler: Yeah, get your SAG card.

Kennan: His LinkedIn is going to be like pizza delivery driver consultant.

tyler: Gary Oldman's consultant. to yeah i.

Evan: Would i would i would pay to see a movie where gary oldman is in the entire

Evan: movie as that character although i don't think it would probably work it's almost

Evan: like it's perfect and it's just.

tyler: That was supposedly the characters fit perfectly that was

tyler: like in talks to happen yeah early i guess like around this

tyler: time there was talks of a spinoff that was just drexel and it just kind

tyler: of never materialized um which is kind of a shame but

tyler: i mean that there's a lot of those stories of like they're supposed to be the

tyler: vega brothers where vincent

tyler: and vic vega um john travolta and um i'm blanking on his name what's vick vega

tyler: from reservoir dogs that he cuts off the ear what the hell's his name michael

tyler: madsen michael madsen and john travolta they're supposed to be a spin-off movie

tyler: where the two of them go on adventures and like heists and stuff there's a bunch

tyler: of like would-be tarantino movies canceled.

Kennan: So fast these days that would not flow anymore some old white guy saying the n-word i.

tyler: Mean i don't know django just just came out so faith late was after there was something else that.

Evan: There's something apparently where Drexel Spivey is linked to Reservoir Dogs.

Evan: Apparently, one of them mentioned someone named Marcellus Spivey,

Evan: and it's supposed to be like his brother, perhaps.

tyler: Huh.

Evan: But I don't know if it's...

tyler: I don't know.

Evan: Or maybe it's... Wait, hold on. What is it?

tyler: Well, Mr. Wolf in Pulp Fiction references like having worked with Alabama,

tyler: somebody named Alabama.

Evan: Oh, that's right. Yeah, he loves to do those little... Yeah, just little teases.

tyler: I don't know if they're actually like, you know, it's kind of like the MCU shit

tyler: before the MCU shit. Tarantino just linking all of his movies together in a shared universe.

Evan: Oh, this is it. So it's not, it's not, it's not. So someone in the movie reservoir,

Evan: his name is Marcellus Spivey, which would be the mixing together,

Evan: um, Drexel Spivey and Marcellus Waltz.

tyler: Okay.

Evan: Well, he like took the names and he stretched them out.

tyler: I heard somewhere along the line and I couldn't find any kind of corroboration for it.

tyler: This is an old fact I heard a long time ago was that he sold,

tyler: Tarantino sold the rights to um true romance to fund reservoir dogs it.

Evan: That's true i've heard that and the same thing with um he sold that and um the

Evan: other one we're talking about natural board killers.

tyler: Okay yeah to kind of to finance both of.

Evan: Those word is to make it.

tyler: To finance reservoir dogs and so maybe it's just kind of an homage to his other

tyler: characters well those reservoir dogs was before pulp fiction wasn't it so maybe

tyler: i don't know i don't know the timeline of when he wrote those scripts i think um Um.

Evan: I think, um, Reservoir Dogs, like 92 and Pulp Fiction was 94.

tyler: Speaking of Tarantino, let's take, let's check in with Kanan.

tyler: Uh, how, how many Tarantino movies have you seen?

Kennan: God, I can't, I don't know.

tyler: I think there are nine, including True Romance, eight that he's directed, I want to say.

Kennan: I've seen True Romance. Glorious Bastards is a Tarantino movie.

tyler: Yeah, with Brad Pitt.

Kennan: Name the other ones and I'll tell you if I've seen them.

tyler: Uh, let's see if I can go in order. Jackie Brown.

Evan: Kill Bill.

tyler: Yeah, Kill Bill 1 and 2.

Kennan: I've seen Kill Bill a long time ago. Jackie Brown? No.

tyler: Reservoir Dogs? No. Pulp Fiction?

Kennan: I think I saw that when I was a child or something. I can't remember.

tyler: Kill Bill 1, Kill Bill 2, Django Unchained?

Kennan: I want to see it, but I've never seen it.

tyler: Hateful Eight?

Kennan: Never seen it uh.

tyler: Once upon a time in hollywood i wanted to.

Kennan: See it but never seen it.

tyler: Did i forget one i think that's everything death death proof okay never seen it they're all which.

Evan: Is actually the only one i have not seen my.

tyler: My brother-in-law.

Kennan: Is a very big fan.

tyler: So he probably would have seen all the tarantino yeah he probably would have

tyler: seen all of those tarantino's also a guy with very questionable politics um

tyler: he's well not let's let me rephrase that he has normal politics except having

tyler: come out for like pretty strong support of israel so well.

Evan: Plus he'd also like you know abused uma thurman on uh the kill bill.

tyler: Oh i didn't even know that stuff.

Evan: Yeah he made her do a stunt in the car which ended up like breaking her fibula

Evan: or something i forget what she ended up getting hurt like he made her do this

Evan: stunt that she didn't want to do because he liked the way her hair would blow in the uh in the.

tyler: Shot and.

Evan: Then she like crashed the car and then you know.

tyler: Real um like what's his name kubrick real crew kubrick vibes of like what he did uh what's her face um,

tyler: um what's her name in uh and shining uh what's her name i know yeah yeah just

tyler: borderline just actual torture yeah well.

Evan: That that movie funny you mentioned that is the scene there's one scene in the

Evan: movie where he made shelly devol do the scene like 113.

tyler: Times which.

Evan: Is now the guinness record.

tyler: Yeah where she's like actually like frayed and crying because he wanted her

tyler: like just on edge and just shaking from like you know exhaustion and crying

tyler: and just fatigued and so that that was the look he was going for.

tyler: So he artificially manufactured that look by just... But it was more than that.

tyler: He had instructed all of the cast and crew to just completely berate her and

tyler: talk shit to her and just ignore her and just be awful to her.

tyler: And so she was just in a corner. Her hair was falling out. She started chain smoking.

tyler: She really didn't act again after that movie because of her treatment by just

tyler: the cast and crew and Stanley Kubrick as the director. Just absolute torture.

Evan: That also reminds me. I saw some fact. I think it was in...

Evan: somewhere when i was doing research for true romance apparently tony scott during

Evan: a number of scenes with patricia arquette would slap her in the face before yeah i read.

tyler: That too but i read that that was like at the request of patricia arquette.

Evan: Right right i meant that was the caveat to say it wasn't like he was yeah yeah

Evan: she was like she was trying to get like.

tyler: Jazzed and just like in that mode of like that a level of like abuse and just

tyler: like tension or whatever so he would just backhand her or whatever or i don't

tyler: know if it was backhand but like you know just give her a slap before each scene

tyler: to get her just get her going.

Evan: Yeah and since you mentioned that as like your favorite scene i think as

Evan: i'm as we're talking about it might be maybe not my favorite but

Evan: very close to it it's almost like the note that i wrote down when

Evan: i was watching it is sort of like you know gandolfini could

Evan: represent this you know idea of capitalism and it's keeps he just keeps beating

Evan: and crushing her and crushing her and she just you know keeps getting up because

Evan: she literally has to sort of have to you know it's like if she doesn't yeah

Evan: so it's almost like she has no other there's no other way to fight you know

Evan: the system without you know not getting knocked down yeah that's like i.

tyler: Think probably the most visceral like The final shootout is violent,

tyler: but I think that scene in particular is just the most raw and visceral.

tyler: Just her screams and just her bludgeoning him.

tyler: It's just intense. I think it's just a really, really well done scene.

Evan: Especially when he throws her in the shower and the glass shards are flying around like that.

Evan: I'm surprised she wasn't more badly hurt. Just her face. Like,

Evan: oh, I got hit with a basketball.

tyler: Yeah, that's what I was about to say.

Kennan: It's like the guy believed it.

tyler: Well, I mean, I don't think he really did. Well, Michael Rappaport did because

tyler: his character was an idiot.

tyler: but uh yeah but donna was i think that was the thing that donna would saw right

tyler: through it like he was just like what are you doing to her it was like oh it

tyler: was a basketball he just kind of looked at him like he was an idiot you know

tyler: like obviously it's not a basketball.

Evan: Actually you know what i'm going to change my favorite scene my favorite scene

Evan: is when the um what is his name um elliot the uh like the other actor.

tyler: Guy is.

Evan: Driving in his car and the cocaine just.

tyler: Gets thrown across his face i don't know who that actor is but he really he

tyler: was really good i I don't think I've ever seen him before or since,

tyler: but he crushed it in that.

tyler: His scenes with Tom Sizemore and Chris Penn, we haven't even talked about Tom

tyler: Sizemore and Chris Penn yet, but they're great in this, and his scenes with

tyler: them are really funny, and his scenes with his subservience to Donovitz,

tyler: which is juxtaposed to his big dick swagger with Michael Rapaport and Christian

tyler: Slater of how he coats, which is depending on who he's in the room with.

tyler: I think he really did a great job, and I don't know that guy,

tyler: and i i vaguely recognize him but i couldn't tell you anything else he's done but he was great he.

Evan: Actually it's funny you said i had just watched the new beverly hills movie beverly.

tyler: Hills movie and.

Evan: He's he yeah he's in that briefly and he's also in other beverly hills cop movies i think two.

tyler: And three the first one maybe i don't know if i should revisit those the third.

Evan: One is terrible do not.

tyler: Okay well i've been the second one's okay i've been wanting to watch this new

tyler: one because i've heard you know kind of

tyler: generally positive things about it because i guess everybody's back um paul

tyler: riser and judge reinhold everybody's back so i'm like okay shit well maybe i

tyler: should check that out but i've only ever seen the first one it's fun so i was

tyler: debating going back and watching them all or just cutting to this one i don't know but yeah you don't.

Evan: Really need to see the other ones to be honest i think the first one is enough

Evan: because they do a lot of like little callbacks and they actually like i don't want to ruin.

tyler: It they like.

Evan: Make fun of the fact that the other ones are terrible.

tyler: Oh okay that's fun maybe i will just check it out i'm flying in a couple days

tyler: so i'll probably you know that's a good plane movie i think but yeah i agree

tyler: i think but you're right though he killed he killed that actor killed it bronson.

Evan: Pinoch bronson prenote pinoch.

tyler: Okay great whatever wherever that guy is up to now he did

tyler: a really great job yeah because just like yeah when he was at the the

tyler: um prior to the roller coaster he was

tyler: just like you know totally just like in command of that you know

tyler: he was the guy with all the cards post roller coaster it was christian slater

tyler: and then when you see him with donovitz he's just like this like um you know

tyler: cowering kind of like totally subservient to donovitz just like while he's in

tyler: that room he has a master and And it's just like that actor just really like

tyler: conveyed that, I think, just in a really good way.

Evan: Oh, man. That actor was on Perfect Strangers for 150 episodes.

Evan: He was the leading actor in Perfect Strangers.

tyler: Okay.

Evan: Which I've never actually seen.

tyler: But okay.

Kennan: He was also on Kung Fu and Titties, I think, more importantly.

tyler: Okay.

Evan: You guys had a checkered career.

tyler: All right. A storied career. Yeah. I don't know.

Evan: I mean.

tyler: I don't know. There's just everybody in this is just like from every like we

tyler: kind of briefly mentioned Tom Sizemore and Chris Penn.

tyler: also dead Chris Penn shout out to rest in peace like

tyler: Chris Penn um Sean Penn's brother I believe and everyone just does a great job

tyler: except for fucking Michael Rapaport but again I would I argue that I I am letting

tyler: my distaste of Michael Rapaport cloud my judgment I think as an actor in this

tyler: he was fine I think I think he was the weakest but I think he was still fine

tyler: I think there's some certain who's the.

Evan: Other detective oh Chris Penn.

tyler: Yeah and Tom the other one was size yeah yeah which i think they're yeah i know

tyler: i think at least one of them is the same kind of detective in enemy the state

tyler: and in the state there's a lot of parallels with this movie it's just there's no fantasy who's.

Kennan: That that was one of the other detectives right kevin corrigan it was like the more.

tyler: Latino based.

Kennan: One but yeah no those cops i think

Kennan: they could have found better actors for those i that

Kennan: they were they're not bad like they'll do me wrong they're not not as bad

Kennan: as rapaport i thought rapaport did a not a great job to be honest with you even

Kennan: though i don't it's not about me not liking his politics it's just that like

Kennan: in between scenes of him saying his lines or acting his face kind of like turns

Kennan: off as if he was not acting anymore if that makes any sense yeah.

Evan: It's his it i think it's also i i would love to have remembered what i thought

Evan: of it before you know knowing what he's like if i he just seemed like just kind

Evan: of like a like a dummy i don't know like he just it didn't uh maybe that was

Evan: like maybe that was what it was It was meant to be.

Evan: Maybe he was trying to just be so spineless and goofy and whatever that it-

Evan: He's just not there. It was like the opposite.

Evan: Yeah. Or something like that. But yeah, it's, um.

Kennan: I know a lot of actors take that like cadence of, uh, becoming the person and

Kennan: then just enveloping themselves so much with that character that they like every,

Kennan: at every moment they become that, you know, that personality.

Kennan: Like I know Jim Carrey goes crazy with it. Like he spends like his entire being,

Kennan: being that character even by himself.

Evan: Yeah. Yeah. Like going so deep into it. What's the guy?

Evan: Um, um joaquin phoenix is like that apparently like he does interviews on tv

Evan: shows when he's preparing for a movie and he's in character of that movie he's

Evan: like i'm not going out of this character like it's oh yeah that you know that's

Evan: commitment that's commitment but it's also i don't think that michael rapaport

Evan: was going that deep though he doesn't seem like good enough actor.

Kennan: Yeah and that that's the thing i just don't think he did a very good job but

Kennan: he also he looked very young so i think he might have just been an um early

Kennan: emerging actor perhaps i don't know.

Evan: Yeah let me see what he's been in this is his third movie and the other one

Evan: seemed like was even lesser roles it seems like he's actually been way more

Evan: movies than i realized a ton of them actually he's.

Kennan: Always a lot like he's always a side character i really saw like.

Evan: The first time i.

Kennan: Think i've seen him in like a movie or a tv series uh where he was like one

Kennan: of the main characters was uh i was that one that was pretty recent uh with

Kennan: with the sun being like severely autistic.

Evan: Oh i know what you're talking about um yeah that show was pretty good yeah the first.

Kennan: Season was fantastic uh the second season i think it was a whole different uh

Kennan: either director or writer and i just lost it on me.

Evan: Atypical correct.

Kennan: That is what it's called atypical.

Evan: Yeah i can't i just look in there i think i watched the whole thing but i remember

Evan: the last two seasons just also being and just like i just want to know what

Evan: happens fair enough fair enough i i was sort of like i don't know why i invested

Evan: so much sometimes i'll nowadays if i watch it like a season and i'm like start

Evan: a second season it's not good i'm just i'm out yeah.

Kennan: 100 and specifically with michael rapaport like once i found out that he was

Kennan: like you know an israeli a dick sucker i was just like yeah i'm not i can't

Kennan: Now, I can't watch anything with him in the movie without having some sort of conflict,

Kennan: because I'm constantly thinking about politics instead of just watching the damn movie.

Kennan: At least in this one, he was very young, so I give him the benefit of the doubt there.

tyler: It's worse than just being pro-Israel because a lot of,

tyler: celebrities are pro-israel because they have to be and like whereas i don't think that's like

tyler: respectable i'm not giving them a pass for that it's at least somewhat understandable

tyler: yeah but michael rapaport is like genocidal he's like out of the way he's like

tyler: but he's like way over the top of like we need to like exterminate all hamas

tyler: exterminate gaza like he is like well.

Kennan: There's also a video of him like literally saying hey if i say these keywords

Kennan: you guys have to pay me extra and he's in a hotel and somebody's literally filming

Kennan: him and then he like literally goes to charge the person he's like hey don't

Kennan: fucking film me blah blah.

tyler: This is a real piece of shit like.

Kennan: Yeah i was just selling himself.

Evan: Yeah well like so i was gonna the only thing i was gonna mention about you were

Evan: talking about the cops like being you know maybe kind of not great but in some

Evan: ways i almost kind of like that because you it's not pro cop like i don't think

Evan: even there being cops in it as cop again because most they all get killed right.

tyler: Everyone's killed yeah uh almost survives and then the last second but jarquette shoots and.

Kennan: She should have.

tyler: That's or maybe i forget which one it was got chris pin because chris pin went

tyler: to execute the bodyguard yeah who yelled that he didn't like cops and then it's.

Kennan: Like this is for whatever his.

tyler: Name was cody and then and then at that moment pretty sure i can't yeah

tyler: she picks up the gun like sidearm and then finally kills him the final cody

tyler: i don't know uh but yeah i agree with you it's not very like pro cop because

tyler: like they directly put like this not innocent bystander elliot uh like in harm's

tyler: way and kind of like joking when clarence pulls a gun on the elevator they're

tyler: like joking about whether or not he's going to get, whether or not he's going to, um,

tyler: be executed by Clarence, by Christian Slater. And so the, and they're kind of

tyler: just like not doing anything about it.

tyler: Like just laughing on the sideline while their CI kind of is in mortal danger, which is, you know.

Kennan: He's not going to kill him.

tyler: Yeah. And then they're like, kind of like almost like taking bets or whether

tyler: or not they're, they're informants about to get executed and they,

tyler: they kind of seemingly don't care.

tyler: So yeah, I think it doesn't definitely, it definitely doesn't portray the police

tyler: as like, it's not very pro police.

Evan: No, no. I mean, it's kind of, they're just kind of on the side,

Evan: you know, they're, and also like the conversation they have with their their

Evan: chief like to do the wire and everything it's very like they're talking about

Evan: how they want to get credit for this i mean yeah they don't care about anything except getting credit.

tyler: Like that's all they like you know careerists.

Evan: Exactly they don't care actually to get the coke off the you know the street

Evan: yeah they don't care about that yeah.

tyler: They just want the bus for their career yeah.

Evan: Yeah those uh but yeah but i guess as we were saying like they're every pretty

Evan: near every single little bit i think the only one person we haven't talked about

Evan: it's brad pitt sort of lackadaisical stone in his first range you know yeah.

Kennan: That threw me off to be honest it's.

tyler: Like oh this is long hair.

Kennan: It's like is that.

tyler: Brad pitt yeah i just love that he's randomly in that because i think he had

tyler: already done i think he had done thelma and louise at this point like he had

tyler: done like he had had more leading roles at this point it's kind of unclear like

tyler: why he would just agree to do this i mean i don't know for fun just for fun yeah his hat fun.

Evan: He done yeah done thomas louise he done um legends.

tyler: Of the fall.

Evan: Probably a river runs through it i think so the.

Kennan: Dude's always just look the same though yeah like i looked at him like well

Kennan: his face it just it looks the same it's just i'm a.

tyler: Big fan uh and.

Evan: It's the same kids it's the same look as an interview with a vampire right he's

Evan: got the long hair christian slater movie interview the vampire christian.

tyler: Slater was the uh the interviewer.

Evan: That's right he was the reporter or the journalist or whatever it must

Evan: be one of those like these are what could be those those things where like someone knew

Evan: him and it's like oh you should you know he wants to be in this movie or

Evan: he so i don't know that these these things all favors and then he then he like

Evan: had a i mean his well we don't have to go down brad pitt but then i was just

Evan: looking at his uh just got his not discography his filmography he went seven

Evan: twelve monkeys sleeper devil's own seven years in tibet meet joe black fight

Evan: club snatch all in a row yeah.

tyler: He had a really good mid 90s and early 2000s i.

Evan: Mean even going back where everyone's.

tyler: Through and legend of the fall are both great too like he he crushed.

Evan: The entire 90s.

tyler: Yeah i think he didn't really he.

Evan: Didn't really miss for.

tyler: The first like that 15 year stretch i don't remember seven years in tibet being

tyler: great but i haven't seen it in.

Evan: 20 years it's also kind of i think it's pretty anti-ccp propaganda yeah yeah

Evan: i actually read an article how it's like horribly propaganda yeah.

tyler: I have i haven't seen it since like becoming a communist but i imagine it's

tyler: probably very anti-communist i'll have to revisit that.

Evan: Yeah i i don't know that i would actually revisit it but i remember seeing and

Evan: than thinking, reading some article being like, this actually is a super problematic

Evan: movie that no one should ever see.

tyler: Yeah, fair enough.

Kennan: What about Mr. and Mrs. Smith? When did that come out? Like 2004?

tyler: Yeah, somewhere around 2002, 2003 maybe.

Evan: Plus all the Ocean's Eleven movies. Oh, yeah.

tyler: Yeah, the first couple of those were pretty good.

Kennan: I know.

tyler: And then he went Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Dude, Troy. Bring it full circle,

tyler: come back to Tarantino. Troy was bad, though, man.

Kennan: I love Troy.

tyler: Oh, my God.

Kennan: I love Troy.

tyler: He's so bad.

Kennan: I have an archaeology degree, okay? I'm very into that sort of like- I hate

Kennan: swords and sandals movies.

tyler: Dude. Did you see the trailer for Gladiator 2? I think that's like- No.

Kennan: They should just leave it at one Gladiator.

tyler: The trailer for Gladiator 2 just dropped, and that's like the joke in movies

tyler: where it's It's like the whole like Tropic Thunder, Tug Speedman,

tyler: like making all these sequels of like that's the trope and they did it.

tyler: It's like a parody of itself by making Gladiator 2 with Pedro Pascal,

tyler: Denzel Washington, and I forget who the third lead is, but I don't know.

tyler: I just hate that they remade that movie or made a sequel.

Evan: I know. I love the first one. It's like one of my favorite movies of all time.

tyler: Yeah, I'll say I don't like Swords and Sandals movies except that Gladiator

tyler: because that was really well made.

Kennan: Gladiator was fantastic. I mean, it had Hans Zimmer in it too.

tyler: Hans zimmer yeah but.

Kennan: I i the storyline was quite long but it was fantastic i i.

tyler: Really like.

Kennan: How it just started out with battle like anything that just starts out with

Kennan: like some crazy ass battle i'm into like.

tyler: Historically wildly inaccurate though like the tactics it's a movie yeah.

Evan: Joaquin phoenix kills.

tyler: It like i love joaquin phoenix absolutely and uh what's his

tyler: name tommy flanagan i like him a lot too um the the

tyler: guy from like sons of anarchy with the two scars uh the the irish actor he's

tyler: in peaky blinders he's oh yeah he's in gladiator he's in he's in a lot of stuff

tyler: he was like the general's kind of right-hand man kind of guy he's um he's i'm

tyler: a big fan of tommy flanagan that was a big fun i was big son of anarchy years

tyler: man was napoleon any good i never saw it probably not but i didn't see it i.

Evan: Heard it's like there's parts of it that are okay but then as like a as a whole

Evan: you know spectacle wise good movie wise.

tyler: Yeah and i don't know apple plus is the one streaming service i don't have so

tyler: i'm like well probably never see that one yeah all right well anything else

tyler: to say about true romance we skip anything i.

Evan: Know yeah i was.

tyler: Thinking i.

Evan: Was about to say like is there any any little trivia facts that you had.

tyler: I was just going to drop the one about brad pitt the hat he wore he found that

tyler: on the venice beach um like boardwalk and

tyler: he just he just found it and he took it home and washed it and that was

tyler: what he wore for the movie um just very like beach bummy kind

tyler: of guy yeah i don't know i don't know i mean there's a

tyler: lot of just random trivia about this movie that it's just like i just

tyler: i don't know i just i like i said just to kind of like come full circle to

tyler: what i said at the beginning i i think i agree it is a very kind of

tyler: just like a cliche crime keeper but the whimsy and

tyler: that kind of fantasy elements and the chemistry in particular

tyler: like the score and just everything kind of comes together to make this

tyler: something else and something better than than it should be then it like by all

tyler: counts if you describe just the plot you know 90s movie christmas later patricia

tyler: rickett they find some coke they got to sell coke there it's a shootout cops

tyler: robbers whatever that sounds really generic but there's something about this

tyler: movie that like is elevated above just that and i think that a lot

tyler: of that is like that kind of whimsy fantasy the score like i mentioned,

tyler: keep repeating myself i.

Evan: Think they've tried to make movies like this since then like the same kind of

Evan: thing and none of them can you know.

tyler: Yeah i just watched a movie that reminds me a lot of this um i

tyler: watched the movie last week and then i watched true romance today and i was

tyler: like this it's called dragged across concrete i think is what it's called it's

tyler: it's 2018 i hadn't heard of it either it's it's got it's also got a really stacked

tyler: cast very similar to this where it's like it's a kind of these vignettes of

tyler: like characters are introduced and then never seen again mel gibson and vince

tyler: fawn are the through lines they're two police detectives that have been um

tyler: they've been suspended without pay for excessive force that they were filmed

tyler: you know kind of like kneeing on a stomping on a guy's neck this is two years before jewish florid um

tyler: and then they they decide to kind of commit a crime to like to

tyler: make some money but like don johnson is their like police

tyler: captain whatever that fires them and it just it keeps going through all

tyler: these scenes and it's actually a really interesting movie i i recommend checking

tyler: it out it's it's not bad um and it but it's just it has elements of this where

tyler: it's just they're the through line of trying to commit this crime that just

tyler: kind of things keep going wrong and every scene they keep coming across is like

tyler: a prolific actor you'll recognize you're like oh was that don johnson as her

tyler: captain then he goes away and then who is it uh jennifer carpenter i think is her name um,

tyler: dexter's sister and she's in she's in a bunch of movies she's um she's like

tyler: at the bank teller whatever and it's i don't know i think it's interesting it's

tyler: streaming it was streaming on one of the free services like a 2b or pluto or

tyler: something that's where i watched it well obviously Obviously.

Evan: You would say, Ty, that you would obviously recommend this being one of your

Evan: favorite movies. Would you say it's a rewatchable movie?

tyler: I think so. I mean, I would say it's.

Kennan: A rewatchable movie. Yeah, it was a really good movie.

tyler: Yeah. Yeah, I've made everyone I've ever met watch the movie.

tyler: Like all my friends and my partner and everything.

tyler: Like this is the one movie. There's a couple. There's this, Jaws,

tyler: and like Let the Right One In, I think are like three movies that I make people

tyler: watch if they haven't seen them. I think those are three almost perfect movies.

Kennan: I have never seen Jaws.

Evan: Yeah.

tyler: You haven't seen Jaws? I was in Jaws, Alien, Let the Right One In,

tyler: and this are like borderline perfect movies. The Thing. I think The Thing too would be on that list.

Evan: Like when I rate movies like online, like, well, I didn't use,

Evan: I'd only recently used like Letterboxd.

Evan: But if I rate something five stars, to me, it's a movie you could just watch

Evan: at any time. It's just like rewatchable classic kind of movie.

Evan: And if it's under that, like, it doesn't mean you wouldn't rewatch it.

Evan: But The Five is just the, you know, for me, like, you mentioned The Fifth Element

Evan: earlier. That's like one of my favorite movies.

Evan: And I could just put that on at any moment and just, yeah, I'll watch it.

tyler: Yeah. Those movies, the more and more you think about, the more you say,

tyler: oh, I remember that scene, oh, I remember that scene, I remember when that happened.

tyler: It's just like all of these moments just come to mind. And the others is a handful

tyler: of movies like that for me.

tyler: This is definitely on that list.

Kennan: Well, do you want to give it a rating? What would you do?

tyler: Out of five stars? I'm incredibly biased. Out of five, I'd say like a 4.8 out

tyler: of five. I think there's like just a couple of like minor things, like we mentioned.

tyler: Michael Rapaport's delivery, the two bodyguards delivery.

tyler: I don't know. I think a 4.8 out of five.

Kennan: What about you, Evan?

Evan: I gave it five out of five on like a half, you know, on the scale of each thing being a half.

Evan: I mean and that's for me it's like I'm saying like I could watch it at any time

Evan: but looking in like retrospect like some of those like Michael Rapaport is kind

Evan: of like a sucky thing on it but you know it's a shame he didn't die yeah.

tyler: He was actually one of only.

Evan: Two people.

tyler: The three people to survive were him and then the two leads yeah.

Evan: Yeah why couldn't he die like like Elliot and.

tyler: Donovan's everybody got gunned down except Elliot got obliterated yeah.

Evan: Oh yeah I would give it a four point yeah yeah I give it five or close to it yeah.

tyler: I'll give it as close to kind of a perfect as you know these movies can get.

Kennan: I'll give it a 4.3.

tyler: Which is pretty much like a B.

Kennan: Plus A minus.

tyler: It's not Lord of the Rings but it's close.

Kennan: It's a good movie.

tyler: I like it a lot I don't know how you usually kind of tease these out but that

tyler: was a lot of fun thanks for having us I always get to nerd out and talk about my favorite movies

tyler: if we ever do this again we'll let Kanan choose well I don't know I'm choosing

tyler: again sorry I have a wider range of movies to choose from I want to just watch

tyler: Lord of the Rings over and over no offense well i mean i've watched i've done the i've.

Evan: Done episodes on all the.

tyler: Right and the hobbits actually have you done let the right one in i think that's

tyler: probably like my second have.

Kennan: You done the rings of power i have not i love.

tyler: That movie it's one of my favorites i think that's probably like my second favorite

tyler: movie um it's fucking great oh.

Evan: Interesting do you do shows at all yeah i feel like i didn't watch you do.

Kennan: Shows at all or is it.

tyler: Just tvs so.

Evan: I um haven't i've done one episode on a show but it was more like just kind

Evan: of in general but no i've actually like tease the idea of starting a second

Evan: podcast i just don't really have the time.

tyler: To do it i've had the idea for a movie podcast for like 20 years i have the

tyler: email and everything for it that's been my dream this has been this is a real

tyler: big moment for me being on a movie podcast we'll talk about movies you can't

tyler: tell i'm a nerd for this stuff oh yeah and i've been wanting i've i've had this

tyler: idea for a movie podcast for years and one of these days i'm gonna pull the

tyler: trigger on it but i don't know i just don't know if you want to.

Evan: Come back for uh like the halloween i always do lots of horror movies like horror

Evan: movies are probably like my maybe my favorite genre i know originally this is

Evan: gonna be a horror movie podcast and then I changed it but but let the right win is not what I've done.

tyler: Oh cool yeah that's that's I think that's such a beautiful movie that's like

tyler: that that really elevates vampire like fiction because that came out at a time

tyler: where like vampires were everywhere and that was just something different and

tyler: I was just like oh goddamn,

tyler: It's Norwegian, I think?

Evan: Yeah. I don't know that it's my favorite vampire movie, but it's like my top three.

Kennan: I listened to a little bit of that episode, the vampire episode you had with

Kennan: the person that's on the Lennon in 54 volumes.

Evan: Oh, yeah, yeah.

tyler: I missed that one. What were the vampire movies?

Kennan: It was Dracula. It was Nostradamus.

Evan: Oh, I saw that. I saw that on my feed. Nostradamus.

Kennan: Yeah.

Evan: Yeah it was basically like all of them i guess

Evan: it was the four of the like top i don't know i'd say like five or six movies

Evan: that specifically like the bram stoker story so the bram stoker one the christopher

Evan: lee movie from the 70s the um nosfratu from what is it 1930s something and then

Evan: and then the uh one more i'm blanking on at the moment you.

Kennan: Should have done was the interview.

Evan: I've done that separately You should have done Blade Blade.

tyler: 3 We're done recording right we're just chatting at this point.