What's going on, everybody?
Speaker AI'm here with a full house today.
Speaker AIt's me, Derek.
Speaker AAnd today we have Peter.
Speaker BHello, everyone.
Speaker AWe got Kathy.
Speaker CHola.
Speaker AWe have April, which you saw a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker DHi.
Speaker AWe have Carla.
Speaker CHi.
Speaker AAnd we have Kenya.
Speaker CHola.
Speaker AAnd the four of them are not April.
Speaker ASo for those of you who are listening, I gotta remember that there's people.
Speaker CThat are just listening.
Speaker AThe four that aren't April, Peter, Kathy, Carla, and Kenya are Honduran missionaries or pastors, and Honduras and ministry team.
Speaker AAnd then April is the.
Speaker AWhat are you.
Speaker AWhat's your position?
Speaker DThe president and founder of Love Serve.
Speaker ATestify foundation and the church.
Speaker AYou guys are lead.
Speaker BMinisterio li naje es cojido.
Speaker AWhich means what?
Speaker BWhich means.
Speaker BIt comes from First Peter.
Speaker B2.
Speaker B9 means chosen generation.
Speaker ALove it.
Speaker ALove it.
Speaker ASo today we're going to talk a little bit about what they do, what's going on in their lives, and how LST or Love Serve Testify foundation got started.
Speaker ASo buckle up and welcome to the Truth Response.
Speaker AYou guys did not say it.
Speaker CLet's try again.
Speaker ATake a dose.
Speaker ARight, so all this is probably going to stay on it.
Speaker AWelcome, and welcome to the Truth Response.
Speaker AAll right, so today we have a special treat, and that is Pastor Peter is going to pray in Spanish and Kathy is going to translate.
Speaker CThat's right.
Speaker BAwesome.
Speaker BOkay, so pale celestial heavenly father, hablar a suntos de toreno.
Speaker CWe're just so grateful that we get a chance to sit and talk about your kingdom.
Speaker BHablar tus verdades eternas to speak about.
Speaker CYour eternal truth and to share what you are doing in our midst.
Speaker CSo, Father, use this episode to encourage, to edify, and to speak truth to our hearts.
Speaker CIn Jesus name we pray.
Speaker BAmen.
Speaker CAmen.
Speaker AAmen.
Speaker AAll right, so why don't we start off, just say who you are and what you do at in your things.
Speaker AApril's already said what she does, but go ahead and start with Peter.
Speaker BAll right, well, thank you for having us in this podcast.
Speaker BMy name is Peter and I'm a lead pastor at Linages Coido Church in Comayagua, Honduras.
Speaker BSo that's what I do.
Speaker AVery good.
Speaker AThat's a one day a week job, right?
Speaker BYeah, pretty much.
Speaker BPretty much.
Speaker CWell, hello everyone.
Speaker CThank you for tuning in and for listening to this podcast.
Speaker CMy name is Catherine and I am Pastor Peter's wife.
Speaker CAnd I also oversee a lot of the programs and the administrative part of the church.
Speaker AOkay, and then April, who is the.
Speaker DPresident and founder of Love Serve Testify Foundation, Also team leader for mission trips.
Speaker AHow long have you been going?
Speaker D14, almost 15 years now.
Speaker AOkay, cool.
Speaker AVery cool.
Speaker CMinisterio de Logistica.
Speaker CAll right, My name is Carla and I serve in the area of logistics.
Speaker CAnd my name is Kenya and I serve in the area of discipleship ministries.
Speaker AYeah, and of course you guys know me and the annoying voice behind the microphone.
Speaker ASo very first thing we want to kick off today with is what does lanaje eskihito mean?
Speaker AI want you to just restate that because it is a very important thing, I think, for our generation to get behind.
Speaker AYou know, I think it's something that every generation should get behind.
Speaker ARight, but what does that mean to you guys and in your group?
Speaker AAnd how did the vision for your ministry really begin?
Speaker BYeah, so linages cojido, like I said earlier, means chosen generation.
Speaker BAnd it comes from scripture based on 1st Peter 2, 9, which says that God calls us a chosen generation or chosen people, including royal priesthood, holy nation.
Speaker BAnd so that's where it comes from.
Speaker BIt's just a reminder that, you know, we are God's people not because we chose him, but because he chose us.
Speaker BAnd so it's just a beautiful reminder of what grace really means and what being saved really means to all of us.
Speaker BSo that's the name in Spanish, Linaje Escojido.
Speaker BAnd this burden in our hearts placed by God, it started maybe nine years ago, but it started in our hearts and it stir our hearts every day.
Speaker BAnd so seven years ago we were sent by our home church to the city of Komayawa to start a new church plant.
Speaker BAnd so we started off with eight people and now we're 140 people.
Speaker BIt's a bilingual church.
Speaker BAnd that is because God has blessed us with having not just local people, but also foreign people, especially English speaking people.
Speaker BAnd so that's what God has done.
Speaker BAnd we're just amazed of what God.
Speaker BWhere God started and how he has worked in putting people together from, from different countries.
Speaker BSo to the abandonment and edification of his kingdom and his church.
Speaker AVery cool.
Speaker AAnd you guys were married when all this happened?
Speaker ASo you guys, how long you guys been married?
Speaker C13 years.
Speaker A13 years.
Speaker CSay it.
Speaker BI just told.
Speaker BI just let her say it because I wanted to hear if she.
Speaker BYeah, I know it.
Speaker BI know it.
Speaker ANobody out there believes that.
Speaker ASo.
Speaker ASo okay, so what was it like for you going into this?
Speaker ALike going like stepping out right out of that comfort zone.
Speaker AWhat was that like?
Speaker CExciting.
Speaker CExciting.
Speaker CIt was something we've been talking about for a long time, since we got married and we just were like thinking, what is God going to do in our lives and how is he going to use us?
Speaker CAnd we just knew that doing ministry is what we wanted to do as a couple, you know.
Speaker CSo when we were sent to Kameyawa, the city of Kameyawa, we were super excited, super happy to be able to start something new.
Speaker CAnd it was hard.
Speaker BWe didn't hesitate.
Speaker BIt was like, it felt like we were born for this.
Speaker BSo we were just waiting on God's green light.
Speaker BAnd for us doing ministry, we didn't wrestle with it, we didn't put excuses.
Speaker BIt was like, we want to do this, we want to serve.
Speaker BAnd just let us know where, when, and we're going to be there, you know, and so that's for us, that's been our just the way what we feel towards whatever God puts in front of us in how to serve him better.
Speaker CAnd it's been, it's been hard, right?
Speaker CIt's.
Speaker BI'm not saying the challenge is that.
Speaker AMinistry is not easy.
Speaker AWe talk about that a lot on here.
Speaker CThere's moments.
Speaker AMinistry would be super easy without people though, wouldn't it be?
Speaker AI know, yeah.
Speaker ABut yeah, no, it is.
Speaker BIt, I think like just anything that you're called by God, it is a, it is a privilege first and foremost.
Speaker BRight?
Speaker BNone of us are, are worthy of anything like this.
Speaker BAnd we have no talents or, or gifting that we would bring to the table so that the kingdom of God would be better.
Speaker BIt's.
Speaker BEverything has been given by God for Him.
Speaker BAnd so any talent or any gifting that we have, it's because he has given it to us and he works through those giftings.
Speaker BAnd so, yeah, so for us it is a privilege, but also it's a big responsibility.
Speaker BYou know, it's God's work.
Speaker BIt's not my own personal business, my own personal vision.
Speaker BIt's his work.
Speaker BAnd so it is a big responsibility.
Speaker BSo we do it with a lot of joy and, but also a lot of fear and reverence too, because we are working for him, you know, and it's his name, not my name, it's his reputation on my reputation.
Speaker BAnd so it is a big responsibility.
Speaker BAnd yes, there is challenges that sometimes we don't talk about them enough, but they're there and we don't know what they're going to be.
Speaker BBut when you face it, you know that God's there.
Speaker BThis is, this is about God.
Speaker BAnd so you, you, you learn to depend on him through the challenges and just sit and wait to what he has to say.
Speaker BYou know, how to face all those challenges.
Speaker AFor sure.
Speaker ANow, for those of you who are numbers people like me, 13 years, you guys have been married.
Speaker BYep.
Speaker A14 years, been going to Honduras.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker ASo you got to see this develop.
Speaker AAnd what.
Speaker AJust a quick perspective.
Speaker ALike, what.
Speaker AWhat's it been like to see the two of them and the church and everybody coming along, you know, coming into the.
Speaker ALike, you've seen it go from not nothing, but from nothing to where.
Speaker AWhere they are now.
Speaker AWhat.
Speaker AWhat's that been like?
Speaker DIt's really been a huge blessing to watch them grow and watch them step out in faith.
Speaker DIt's really increased my trust and faith in the Lord by watching them step out so big all the time and just watching how God uses them to reach people.
Speaker DSo beautiful.
Speaker DSo.
Speaker DAnd watching them go from our translator.
Speaker DThe very first year, Kathy was our translator, and she was dating Peter and just watched Emily go through the process of them getting married, them continuing, stepping out in faith, coming to Komayawa.
Speaker DYeah, it was just beautiful.
Speaker DAnd they do exactly what they were saying.
Speaker AThey.
Speaker DThe.
Speaker DIt's not their reputation, and they never act like it's about them.
Speaker DIt's all about God and his glory and sharing his gospel with others in order to let others see that the promises of God and what he has for them.
Speaker DSo, yeah, it's just been.
Speaker DAnd I know I keep saying it's beautiful, but it's been beautiful to watch.
Speaker DI want to be them when I grow up.
Speaker AIt's cool to get to see, really, a ministry start and then flourish.
Speaker AIt's really neat to get to see that Our church kind of restarted five or six years ago, and it's been cool to see that happen here.
Speaker DTo be honest, I've never seen two people step out in faith so big and so much, and God continues to bless them through that.
Speaker CYeah, thanks.
Speaker AVery cool.
Speaker AVery cool.
Speaker AAll right, so the two of you who.
Speaker AWho joined this.
Speaker AThis crowd first?
Speaker CKenya.
Speaker AKenya, tell me.
Speaker ATell me a little bit of your story.
Speaker ALike, when you came in, like, what brought you into it?
Speaker ALike.
Speaker CWell, I came to the church Linages in La Villa where Peter's parents were, and so was he.
Speaker CWhen I was 15, I remember the first time I was at Linaj.
Speaker CYou know, I was thinking, this is just going to be a religious boring night.
Speaker CYoung people that are boring, that's what the gospel looked like for me from the outside.
Speaker CBut that night when I was there, it was all completely different.
Speaker CPastor Peter, after the whole service, he came and he Said, did you think it was going to be boring?
Speaker CAnd I was like, how did he know that?
Speaker CAnd ever since then, I was very much involved.
Speaker CI began to really enjoy serving in the church.
Speaker CSo I became part of the leadership in the youth El Paso Piteri.
Speaker CCatherine I really like the leadership style of Pastor Peter and Kathy, and they've learned so, so much.
Speaker CSo from 15 to the 34 years that I am now, we've served together.
Speaker CYes, You.
Speaker CIt's been a great moment to understand and to learn more about the Lord.
Speaker CI've grown, I've advanced, and I've been able to learn to walk with God in a way that doesn't feel.
Speaker CAnd this is surreal, but more real, has sustained me throughout these years.
Speaker CAnd so here we are.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker CAnd so many times we would talk about one day we're going to travel together and serve the Lord out of, you know, out of Honduras.
Speaker CAnd this is now my second trip to the United States.
Speaker CAnd it feels.
Speaker CIt feels great to see how God is fulfilling our dreams.
Speaker CAnd only the Lord can do that.
Speaker AVery cool.
Speaker AAll right, Carla.
Speaker CWell, Kenya, he preached the gospel to me.
Speaker CMomento on the.
Speaker CAnd I was in the university still, and I was telling God I really want to be a part of something.
Speaker CAnd at school, at university, I didn't have a lot of friends, and so I wanted to get more involved with youth.
Speaker CAnd so I was sitting, and then I said, well, I'm just going to go.
Speaker CAnd the first church I bump into as I walk, that's where I'll go.
Speaker CPero conos dias Conocia Kenyon en lo universidad.
Speaker CAnd that was one thing I was thinking.
Speaker CBut after that, days after that, I met Kenya in the university.
Speaker CYo digo realmentel, senor.
Speaker CMi a TRA huair.
Speaker CAnd I said, I think that now I understand the Lord is who brought me to him.
Speaker CEl amedijo quereza compaarme a la villa a mi iglesia.
Speaker CAnd after being friends for a while, she said, do you want to come with me to church in my town?
Speaker CLa villa esta bien.
Speaker CI said, yeah, fine.
Speaker CYeah, let's go.
Speaker CAnd I loved it because the majority of the members of the church were really young.
Speaker CThe songs were contemporary.
Speaker CAnd those is me que de el siente fin de semana, yo le de.
Speaker CAnd so that weekend, I spent that weekend there, and I said, I want to come next weekend.
Speaker CI received Christ and I told God, I want to serve you, Lord.
Speaker CI remember that they were having a pastor over that weekend, and I Said God, I really want to go.
Speaker CAnd pastor invited me.
Speaker CThe pastor, sorry, called me and said, I think you're wondering how you're going to come to La Via if you don't have any money to come, but the Lord will provide so that you can continue to come to church.
Speaker CAnd that's when I said, yes, God.
Speaker CSo I began my disciples, I began to see.
Speaker CCertainly I never thought I was going to be part of the leadership in the church because I did not see the things that I see now.
Speaker CAnd I feel that God's been there.
Speaker CHe's taught me so much.
Speaker CMy pastor Peter and Kathy and Kenya, look, they saw what I wasn't seeing.
Speaker CAnd so now we're serving him here.
Speaker AAmen.
Speaker AYou know what's really cool about all of.
Speaker AAll of this is it's not so different than any other culture.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker ALike, as far as these stories are the same stories that most people everywhere can relate to.
Speaker AYou know, like as a teenager you feel like you're lost or that it's boring to go to church or, I mean, it doesn't, doesn't matter if you're in Honduras or if you're in America, it feels the same way.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker AUntil you go and God gets a hold of you and it's the same God yesterday, today and tomorrow, you know, so it's, it's really cool to get to hear some of that.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker AOne more thing before we hit into these questions that, that we've got is tell me a little bit about your culture in Comayagua so that they can understand, you know, the culture in which you're talking about.
Speaker AWhenever we're talking in here.
Speaker CNo, the Comaya Komayawa Creokes is a very welcoming community.
Speaker CThey love to receive people.
Speaker CAnd I've also seen how foreigners just feel comfortable coming to Kameyawa there.
Speaker CIt just feels very welcoming and people are open to helping like with, like giving directions or being friendly with foreigners.
Speaker CThat's what she's.
Speaker CShe thinks.
Speaker BSo, for example, Komayawa, it's known for its well preserved colonial architecture.
Speaker AYeah, it is.
Speaker BSo, you know, it's beautiful stone.
Speaker AIt is beautiful.
Speaker BIt is beautiful cobblestone streets and in.
Speaker BAnd some iconic, for example, clock tower, which is said that it's the first or second oldest clock in the world.
Speaker BIt has also the oldest bell in America.
Speaker BSo the culture there reflects a pride in its Spanish heritage because we were conquered by the Spaniards.
Speaker BBut also it's a mix between the Spanish heritage and the indigenous roots.
Speaker BSo, for example, the word Comayagua Is not a Spanish word.
Speaker BIt's an indigenous word that means abundance of water.
Speaker BSo Komayawa was the.
Speaker BWas the first capital of under earth.
Speaker BAlso, it is a city that is very religious.
Speaker BSo there's a.
Speaker BSo faith plays a central role in.
Speaker BIn the life of the community.
Speaker BFor example, Holy Week, which we call Semana Santa.
Speaker BYou know, it's one of the most celebrated events known across the country for its beautiful alfombras or like colored sawdust carpets and its processions, you know, so churches are not just buildings, but they are sometimes hubs of spiritual life and community.
Speaker BAlso, the people of Kameyau are known for their, like they said, warmth, their humility, but also their generosity.
Speaker BFamily is a cornerstone of life in our city.
Speaker BIt's not a big city, it's a small city.
Speaker BBut neighbors treat each other like extended family.
Speaker BBecause it's so small, everybody knows each other.
Speaker BIt's like small towns here in the US Know everybody knows each other.
Speaker BIt's like they see somebody new, like, that's.
Speaker BHe's not from here.
Speaker AThat's weird to me, because when I was there, it felt like.
Speaker AIt felt like there was a lot of people.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker AAnd so for.
Speaker AFor me, I mean, it did.
Speaker ATo me, it felt like.
Speaker AI don't know.
Speaker AI don't know how many.
Speaker ADo you know what the population?
Speaker BI think it's like 127,000.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker ASo that's not.
Speaker AThat's not small.
Speaker BI mean.
Speaker BI mean, the state is big, but, like the city, there's less people in that.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker AWell, it's big, but it's strange that people just can know each other.
Speaker AJust that.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker CYou're walking and you're like, oh, bye, or hi.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker ASo it definitely felt bigger than that to me.
Speaker DVery, very neighborly.
Speaker DThe house that we stay in, the people across the street came over and wanted to introduce themselves.
Speaker BJust like the good old days.
Speaker DYeah, they were just.
Speaker DI mean, and you don't expect that, especially when they see someone that's not from there.
Speaker DObviously not from there.
Speaker DAnd they wanted to come over.
Speaker DAnd I mean, we know them, we're friendly with them, and they're friendly with us.
Speaker BAs you, like, you walk in the streets, you know, people try to make eye contact with you just to, like, say, hey, or like, morning, you know, so it's really nice.
Speaker BBut also it has a lot of.
Speaker BLike many of our countries in Central America has a lot of rich traditions.
Speaker BLike, for example, there's the music.
Speaker BIt's the classical one.
Speaker BIt's like with Marimbas and folkloric dances to traditional wooden music.
Speaker BYou know, the food, for example, there's words that maybe some of our listeners won't understand, but maybe some will, you know, like for example, we have montucas, tamales, and that is things that are corn based or sopas a lot.
Speaker BEats a lot of soup.
Speaker BYou know also what else?
Speaker AThere's a lot.
Speaker CBaliadas.
Speaker BIs like the iconic.
Speaker AIt's the best.
Speaker CYes.
Speaker BIt's so good.
Speaker BYou describe it.
Speaker BYou want to describe it?
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker CBaleadas is something you can eat in the morning in, in for lunch or dinner.
Speaker CThat's what's so cool about it.
Speaker CIt's a flour tortilla with refried beans on top.
Speaker CAnd you can, you can add ingredients, like whatever other ingredients you would like.
Speaker CBut what Hondurans add is the plantain, the refried plantains, eggs.
Speaker CYou can add avocado, you can add chicken if you want.
Speaker AMantakia, man.
Speaker AIt's a cream cheese, right?
Speaker CIt's like a cream cheese, but it's more liquidy.
Speaker CYeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker CAnd then you close that up and you have the best.
Speaker DYou roll it up.
Speaker COh, yeah.
Speaker DOr fold it.
Speaker CYou fold it up, you fold it up.
Speaker CAnd then you can taste.
Speaker CTaste culture right there.
Speaker CI like mine with chorizo, but also.
Speaker BThe, the, the city, because it is colonial.
Speaker BIt's very colorful.
Speaker CYes.
Speaker BYou know, so it's not just like, like in the cities, it's usually more modern colors like black, white, gray.
Speaker BYou know, Kumaya was different.
Speaker BYou got peach colors, you got yellow.
Speaker CColors, Red brain green, Red, green, yellow, blue.
Speaker AAll over the place.
Speaker AAll over, all over the place.
Speaker AVery beautiful.
Speaker BIt's full of music and it's just, it's just a fun city.
Speaker BIt's a fun city.
Speaker BIt's close.
Speaker BIt's a valley.
Speaker CThere's a lot of cocktails.
Speaker BAnd so it's beautiful as you walk there.
Speaker BYou know, you feel like you're, you're very close to beautiful mountains.
Speaker BYeah, it's, it's a, it's a hot weather as well.
Speaker BYou know, it's.
Speaker BBut at like around 4, 4:30, the, the heat starts coming down, you feel the wind blowing.
Speaker BAnd also, you know, it's just that, that part of the day where most people start looking for the coffee for the afternoon.
Speaker BYou know, like you have your morning coffee, but then you got to look for your, your afternoon, your afternoon coffee.
Speaker BAnd so we have really good places for, to drink coffee and for you to become a coffee snob.
Speaker BYou know, you start, you know, you just don't go to coffee and just order a latte.
Speaker BYou start like you, you can ask for methods like give me a V60, you know, a Chemex and a French press and all that.
Speaker BSo it's a really good place to try really good coffee.
Speaker BSo yes, Komaya was a, it's a nice blend between the old, the new, and it's also, it's a growing and evolving city because four or five years ago the international airport moved from the capital Tegucigalpa to the city of Comayawa.
Speaker BSo now that has brought a lot of growth and evolvement to our city.
Speaker BSo now we have more hotels, more restaurants.
Speaker ANow did it move from one to the other or is it now in both places?
Speaker ALike there's, did they add an airport?
Speaker BNo, now, now if you, if you take a plane to Honduras, you have two international airports, one in San Pedro Sula and one in Comayagua.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker BThe one in Tegucigalpa, the capital.
Speaker BNow it's only used for local.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker BFor local use.
Speaker DCamera.
Speaker ASorry about that, guys.
Speaker AOkay, so that's all the, sounds like a lot of the positive side.
Speaker AWhat's the negative side?
Speaker AWhat's the, what's the struggles?
Speaker AWhat's.
Speaker AIs there crime is there?
Speaker AI mean obviously everywhere there's some crime.
Speaker ABut like what, what is the, the struggles that the city faces?
Speaker AThat, that, you know, that you guys are.
Speaker BYeah, well, first of all, the lack of jobs.
Speaker BYeah, there is jobs, but when I say that it's, it's just well paid jobs.
Speaker BSo you have a lot of young adults that are looking for jobs, but you know, it's, they get jobs from 8 to 10pm or 8 to 5, but they're not well pay job.
Speaker BSo it's very hard for them to study and work.
Speaker BTheir jobs are from Monday through Sunday.
Speaker BAnd so it's just, there's, there's this lack of opportunity to, to progress or to evolve, to have better finance, to be in a better financial situation.
Speaker BSo they get jobs but they're not well paid, you know, and the schedules are, are not, they don't help the young adults to do more things that they wish they could do.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ASo when you're talking, you know, not well paying, I believe Kathy said the other day that it was like minimum wage was $500 a month.
Speaker CThat's right.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker AAnd what, what's the average hours behind that?
Speaker ALike how many hours a week do they normally work?
Speaker AWhat would you guess is 40?
Speaker CA normal 40, 44 hours a week.
Speaker BIt Depends on the job, too.
Speaker CA week.
Speaker ASo we're talking if you're working an average job, paying minimum wage Monday to Saturday or Sunday, and 44 hours a week, $500.
Speaker C$500.
Speaker AAnd a month.
Speaker CA month.
Speaker AA month.
Speaker CA month.
Speaker CA month, yes.
Speaker AAnd that's affordable, right?
Speaker CNo, no.
Speaker BPeople can say, oh, it's always.
Speaker BIt's always like things in Honduras are cheaper or they're, you know, or stuff like that, but it's really not.
Speaker BIt's.
Speaker BYeah, it's.
Speaker BI mean, if you live independently, you know, with that.
Speaker BWith that salary, you live in a one room, you know, food plus food, you probably.
Speaker BYou won't have Internet in your home or cable, you know, to watch TV and stuff like that, or afford things like, you know, little things like Netflix or stuff like that.
Speaker BSo it's.
Speaker BIt's really hard.
Speaker BIt's really hard, especially for the young adults.
Speaker BSo that's one of the things that we see that there is a challenge.
Speaker BPlus, if you add that some of them can't go to college, so that makes it more of a burden and more difficult to just progress, you know, Also, there's a lot of abandonment by families.
Speaker BSo most.
Speaker BMost.
Speaker BMost Hondurans only.
Speaker BOnly live with one of the parents and that most of the time is a mom.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker BDad's just, you know, they disappear.
Speaker BThey don't support their children even after.
Speaker CA divorce or some have left the country.
Speaker BYes.
Speaker BAnd so.
Speaker BAnd so that makes it harder for young adults to really, you know, progress.
Speaker BAnd so that's one of the.
Speaker BI think those are some of the big challenges that we have in our community.
Speaker BSo you see a lot of young adults in the streets, like cleaning.
Speaker BCleaning the windshields of cars or selling fruit.
Speaker BYou got a lot of them that they do, you know, like small shows in the street, and then they ask money with the people that are in the traffic lights.
Speaker BSo that's a lot of what you see.
Speaker AOkay, what about crime?
Speaker AIs there much crime?
Speaker AIs it fairly safe?
Speaker CNot like the big cities.
Speaker CYeah, not like the big cities.
Speaker CNo, not like the big cities.
Speaker CThere's crime, you know, but not you.
Speaker CYou don't hear a lot of news like the big cities.
Speaker AOkay, so not a lot of gang activity.
Speaker CThere are.
Speaker CThere are.
Speaker ARight, but sure, but it's not like when you go.
Speaker AIt's.
Speaker CIf you were to go to k. If I were to visit, not to go.
Speaker BBut also, I think Kenya can.
Speaker BCan pitch in a little bit on this as a church.
Speaker BWe're trying to work alongside some ministries to help Young adults to get a job.
Speaker BAnd so maybe Kenya, can you like, express the difficulties or the challenges that you've been seeing with young adults trying to find a job for them?
Speaker CSo one of the challenges that we found to connect young adults with employees, get employees for them, number one is they have to choose between do I study or do I work?
Speaker CBecause both cannot happen.
Speaker CBecause in Comayagua, a lot of the businesses don't offer half time jobs, part time jobs.
Speaker CThat's hard for them.
Speaker CAnd so some decide to.
Speaker CThey choose to just work and others try to find like scholarships to be able to study.
Speaker CBut that's really hard.
Speaker CAnother challenge is that there aren't a lot of big businesses like that are hiring.
Speaker CAnd there are more small, small businesses, but they don't hire a lot of people because they're small.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker CAnd those las empresa pequenas solo puede enten.
Speaker CSolo practica.
Speaker CMinte solo es el proprietario.
Speaker CYuno, domple ado mas.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker CSo normally what you see is the owner with one or two persons in the business and Don says, no, I must opportunity.
Speaker CThere aren't a lot of opportunities of.
Speaker CFor jobs de la preparacion professional.
Speaker CAnd then also a lot of them don't go to school, they're not trained.
Speaker CAnd a lot of jobs are requiring like experience.
Speaker CExperience.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker CAnd a lot of them don't have those.
Speaker CSo what we're trying to do is train them, get them ready so that they can have more opportunities to find jobs also.
Speaker BThat's why community outreach is a big thing that as a church we strive to do.
Speaker BI think Carla can speak out in like the communities that we're working on.
Speaker BSpecifically Benticinco de Octobre.
Speaker BThat is just one of the places that is very.
Speaker BEven for us Hondurans.
Speaker BIt's very shocking to see that in the 21st century we find a place that has no water, so sewage and no electricity.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BSo I don't know.
Speaker BCarla, can you speak on that?
Speaker COkay, so the community of Benticinco de Octobre is a community with very, very, very, very low income.
Speaker CSo it's very poor.
Speaker CThese.
Speaker CThis community does not have water and does not have electricity.
Speaker CAnd many houses are made out of pl.
Speaker CJust.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker CWood and pla.
Speaker CMetal roofing or some plastic.
Speaker CPlastic, Plastic tarp.
Speaker CChildren of this community, several of them go out with their parents or some alone since they're five years old, to go and pick up bottles and recycled cans to bring back and their families can bring.
Speaker CTake to the recycling place.
Speaker CAnd that way they can have money for the family.
Speaker CAnd many times when you see these kids, you think they should be playing, going to school, but they don't have the money to go and do these things.
Speaker CAnd so they have to do it to bring food to the.
Speaker CSo thankfully, the Lord led us to the community of Veinticinco de Octudre.
Speaker CThis is a classroom that has so led us to the school.
Speaker CAnd the school has one classroom and with 50 students and the classroom where there's just one teacher from kindergarten through sixth grade.
Speaker CAnd a lot of the children here are in a malnutrition state.
Speaker CAnd as a church, we would love to be able to bring food to them in a more continuous way.
Speaker CBut we do, you know, we do what we can as a church and where the Lord allows us to do.
Speaker CWe're also trying to minister to the moms of the children.
Speaker CAnd so we hope that each child in this school will have a greater vision where they can believe that they can get out of that situation, even though it might be difficult.
Speaker CBut in order to change that mentality, we know who needs to come into their hearts and change that.
Speaker CThat's Jesus Christ.
Speaker CAnd that is what changes everything.
Speaker AAmen.
Speaker AAmen.
Speaker ASo I mean, we've been talking a little bit about like, how you guys are living out your ministry and ministry focus, but expand on that a little bit.
Speaker ALike what do you.
Speaker AWhat are there other things besides, I mean, your working towards that?
Speaker AThe October 25, right.
Speaker AWhat are some other things that you guys are specifically doing?
Speaker AYou talked about being a bilingual church for some of the missionaries and English speaking people.
Speaker AIt feels like anybody listening more than likely knows what it's like in an American, you know, English speaking church to be ministered to.
Speaker ASo I would think that in a Spanish speaking country, the Spanish portion is similar.
Speaker AYou know what I mean?
Speaker ALike when you're Spanish speaking, you go to a church that speaks Spanish, we could relate to what we receive in there.
Speaker ARight, but when you have a bilingual church and you guys aren't bilingual, as in like two services, one English, one Spanish, it's bilingual the whole way through.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ASo what is it?
Speaker AWhat?
Speaker ATalk into that a little bit more.
Speaker ALike, how are you guys seeing people's lives changed in the midst of being able to be that support for them?
Speaker CRight?
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker CWell, I think that it's a great opportunity that we have to minister to missionaries, local missionaries as well.
Speaker CWhen we began the church, we, we felt that the Lord was leading us to that, but we, we wanted to continue to pray about that.
Speaker CAnd the way that we knew about some missionaries was because Peter and I were both teachers at a bilingual school.
Speaker CThese teachers, some of them were Honduran and some of them were North American that were there to.
Speaker CTo serve in the church, in the school.
Speaker CAnd Peter would bring devotionals for the teachers, devotionals for the high school students and for the elementary school.
Speaker CAnd we just saw how people wanted to hear the Word, like the teachers, the administrative, you know, employees of the school, everyone, when it was time to read the Word and listen to the Word, everyone wanted to come and hear the words.
Speaker CSo later on, when we were done with school, we decided that it was time to serve the Lord full time, and we began to serve God.
Speaker CAnd when we were sent to Kameyawa, some of these teachers that were now missionaries in the city heard that we were starting a church in Kameyawa.
Speaker CSo a couple said, well, we'd like to go to church, and if it's okay with you guys, we'd love to.
Speaker CWe'd love to come.
Speaker CAnd we said, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker CIt's just.
Speaker CWe're only doing Spanish, but if you like to come, that's great.
Speaker CSo they came three times.
Speaker CAnd after that third time, I'm like, peter, we can't have them come and not understand what we're saying.
Speaker CWe need to translate the message.
Speaker CAnd I could translate the message and I could add the English chorus to the song.
Speaker CSo the next service, when they.
Speaker CThey came, I stood next to Peter and I started to translate the message for the missionaries that were there.
Speaker CAnd then they brought somebody else, and then the other missionary brought somebody else.
Speaker CAnd like that.
Speaker CThat's how we have now a community of missionaries.
Speaker CAnd now I like that Peter says foreigners, because we don't always have only missionaries.
Speaker CWe have some people that are in Komayawa, maybe because they're married to somebody working in the military base or.
Speaker AThat's what I was going to ask.
Speaker AThere's a military base there.
Speaker ASo, like, do you get military personnel that come?
Speaker CYeah, yeah, we have some.
Speaker CSome that.
Speaker CThat are members, have been members of our church.
Speaker CSo.
Speaker CSo we've just seen how God allowed us to hear that and respond to that.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker CAnd.
Speaker CAnd I think that.
Speaker CThat it's beautiful because there's a wide community of missionaries that are giving, giving, giving, giving, serving, serving, serving.
Speaker CAnd when they come to church, they can hear the message in their language, they can worship in their language, and they're not thinking about, what else do I have to give.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker CThey are part of a community of Faith.
Speaker CAnd they serve as a community of faith.
Speaker CBut they're not required as missionaries.
Speaker CYou need to.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker CThey're just members of our church, part of our church and.
Speaker CBut we love being a part of their lives.
Speaker CIf there's a volleyball game, we want to be there.
Speaker CIf there's a graduation, we want to be there.
Speaker CIf there's a birthday party, we of course want to be there.
Speaker CAnd if there's coffee.
Speaker CDefinitely.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker AI think we're doing a central theme.
Speaker ACoffee is the most important thing other than Jesus in your guys lives.
Speaker CBut also seeing missionaries and Hondurans and foreigners come together every Sunday to worship God, to listen to the word.
Speaker CAs Peter says, it's a glimpse of what we'll see in heaven.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker CAll of us worshiping together and being equal before God.
Speaker CThat's beautiful too.
Speaker CSo yeah, it's great to see that.
Speaker CAnd Peter says it's like having twins.
Speaker CWhat you do to one, you do to the other.
Speaker DIt's his phrase.
Speaker CBut yeah, we have discipleship classes in Spanish and in English.
Speaker CEverything is translated from welcome to church this morning to see you guys next week.
Speaker CLike everything is translated.
Speaker CAnd the worship service is so cool.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker ABecause like you guys put the English and the Spanish words up on the slide at the same time.
Speaker AAnd just hearing everybody at the same time.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker AIt is awesome.
Speaker AIf you've never experienced it.
Speaker AI can't even describe what worshiping with multiple languages at the same time is like.
Speaker AYou just gotta experience it sometimes.
Speaker AI do have to apologize.
Speaker AI made a faux pas.
Speaker AI did say here in America earlier and I know that, that but, but that I find it important.
Speaker ALike that's something that us, those of us from the United States take for granted.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ALike we tend to see us as Americans and the whole rest of everybody else on this side of the world as from their country.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AFrom wherever they're from.
Speaker AAnd so I think that's an important thing for me to point out because it's a culture shock.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ALike we're talking about very different cultures, but the same Jesus in the midst of these two cultures.
Speaker CAll of the Americas.
Speaker AWe're all in the Americas.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ASo I do have to say sorry about that.
Speaker AI'm working on it.
Speaker AI'm a work in progress.
Speaker ABut yeah.
Speaker ASo that's awesome.
Speaker AIt really is a neat thing.
Speaker AAre there any other bilingual churches down there?
Speaker CNope, we're the only bilingual church in Komayawa.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BFor now.
Speaker CSo happy we'll ask.
Speaker CWe're blessed.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker CAnd truly it is because the Lord led us to do this.
Speaker CAnd I just want to share a short, Short.
Speaker CA short story about why we decided that this was something we needed to do.
Speaker CThere was a team, a missionary family that was down there that were serving God.
Speaker CThey were.
Speaker CI won't mention names or anything, but they were serving the Lord.
Speaker CThey had been there for several years, and we knew about them because they would post things about what they were doing and, you know, pictures and everything.
Speaker CAnd all of a sudden we saw a post that was like, we're leaving Honduras.
Speaker CWe're leaving tomorrow.
Speaker CAnd, you know, this was shocking for a lot of people.
Speaker CLike, why?
Speaker CWhat?
Speaker CYou know, the missionaries are very united, and.
Speaker CAnd so what happened?
Speaker CIs there anything we could do?
Speaker CAnd I knew this person, so I said, can we go out for breakfast so we can talk?
Speaker CAnd we went out.
Speaker CAnd she shared, well, we have to leave Honduras because we didn't find a place where we could hear the word of God.
Speaker CThe only church that we could go to was two hours away from where we are so that we could hear it in our own language.
Speaker CThis was before we started the bilingual services as well.
Speaker CThe reason why she was leaving is because, unfortunately, there was an affair going on, and so she needed to leave.
Speaker CAnd when I heard that, I was like, this can't be happening.
Speaker CMissionaries coming to our country, serving the Lord, leaving their families behind and their homes and just their lives completely, and coming here and not finding a place where they could come and worship and listen to the Word was like, I was hearing her.
Speaker CAnd at the same time, I was visual.
Speaker CI was seeing, like, in.
Speaker CIn the future, we're going to have a bilingual church.
Speaker CWe need to have a bilingual church because it's it.
Speaker CWe need to do it.
Speaker CSo, yeah, they, you know, praise God.
Speaker CShe's great.
Speaker CShe's bringing teams back to Honduras, and we're doing a lot of things, but it's just great how God is.
Speaker AI think that brings up an important point.
Speaker AAnd not that it was an intentional thing in her situation, but the whole scripture tells us not to forsake the fellowship of believers.
Speaker AAnd that's a great example of unintentionally.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AIt's not like you were going out of your way to not go to church or get into the Word with other people and be fed, but it shows that it's a slow breakdown over time when you're not able to make.
Speaker ABe a part of something that other people are pouring into you, especially when you're in ministry, because ministry is so much of giving, giving everything that you've got everything that's being poured into you out.
Speaker ASo it's a good example of why we don't want to intentionally or unintentionally miss out on.
Speaker BThings don't just happen overnight.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BYou know, it happens little by little.
Speaker AYes.
Speaker BSo some things that we think that we're strong.
Speaker BScripture reminds us, you know, if you think you're.
Speaker BYou're firm, you know, you gotta take care of yourself and get more stronger, you know, and so having a high view of Jesus but a low view of church is dangerous.
Speaker BAnd especially when you're in ministry, you know, you do things for the Lord, but you got to remember that you got to do things.
Speaker BYou got to strengthen your relationship with Him.
Speaker BSo it's not just outwardly, but inwardly.
Speaker BAnd you're human too.
Speaker BYou know, we all need still to depend on the Lord.
Speaker BWe all need to get into Scripture.
Speaker BWe all need to have those times with the Lord.
Speaker BSo, yeah, so it is important whether you're a missionary, a minister, you know, or just somebody who's serving in church, you know, we can.
Speaker BIt's good to do things for the Lord, and we're all for that, you know, but it's also.
Speaker BWe got to remember to do things with the Lord.
Speaker AYeah, absolutely.
Speaker ABefore we shift to LST Love Serve Testify foundation, is there anything else that you guys want to mention or bring up?
Speaker CI think we're good.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker AI think we're good.
Speaker AI think we've covered most of the things, even though we haven't asked the questions the same way that we had written.
Speaker ABut I think that it's been a great overview so far.
Speaker ASo why was Love Serve Testify created?
Speaker AWhat's up with that Love Serve Testify Foundation?
Speaker ALet me make sure and put that in there, because if you don't put that in there on the website, you won't find it.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker CYou don't find it.
Speaker ABut love servetestifyfoundation.org is the website, but why was it created so?
Speaker DIt was created out of a shared mission and vision with Lanaje Escojito.
Speaker DWe have been doing ministry together, serving in the community for over 14 years now.
Speaker DAnd that.
Speaker DThat need for more support in the United States, for more awareness of what is happening there.
Speaker DAnd educating out of poverty is really what our vision is, our mission statement.
Speaker CAnd.
Speaker DAnd that means physical, mental, emotional, spiritual.
Speaker DAll of those things are what goes into it.
Speaker DAnd because we've been serving with them for so long, I think it makes it easy.
Speaker DWe've become more family.
Speaker DAnd so it's just Another way to support what Lanaije Escojito is, is doing in Honduras and serve alongside them and serve them as a church.
Speaker AAnd I mean, our church can say that it's been really cool to see the way that it's developed and it's going to make things a lot easier for your brothers and sisters in the United States to help and serve in multitude of ways.
Speaker AI mean, not just financially, but like being hooked up with you.
Speaker AOur church is going to be able to do mission trips down there now and just see what people in other parts of the world, you know, do to worship God, which is cool.
Speaker DWe're not only about the money.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker DWe're about.
Speaker DAbout praying for the work that Lanaje Escohito is doing.
Speaker DThe communities like Venti Cinco de Octubre that they are serving in the outreach for homeless or the visionaries or whatever areas they're working in, we're supporting them prayerfully as well as trying to raise funds.
Speaker DYes, there's always that.
Speaker DBut also the great way to connect.
Speaker DIf you're interested in going down there on a mission trip, taking a team, I'm more than happy to help with that.
Speaker DIf you go online to love servetestify foundation.org you can see where you can sign up for newsletters monthly and that will let you in on latest mission trips, what we're doing down there.
Speaker AAnd I can testify to the fact that it's not going to be spam email.
Speaker ANo, they don't email you all the time.
Speaker AIt's really once a month.
Speaker AI mean, that's really what it is.
Speaker AAnd so it's a great way to get the information but not like, feel overwhelmed.
Speaker ALike a lot of places where you sign up for newsletters or whatever.
Speaker DI don't believe in over, you know, filling your inbox with stuff.
Speaker DI want to get in, get the information that you need and let you get on with your day.
Speaker DBut I will.
Speaker DI'm not saying I wouldn't email you twice in a month.
Speaker DI'm just saying we want to get you the important information in order for.
Speaker DTo get the word out for what we're looking to do.
Speaker AThe awareness is great.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker DYou can also go on Facebook.
Speaker DWe're on Facebook, Love Serve Testify foundation and Instagram.
Speaker AOh, wow, cool.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BSo the foundation, you know, Love Serve Testify is.
Speaker BIt's a way to involve people globally who want to help the body of Christ in other parts of the nation, you know, and also churches that don't find a.
Speaker BThat are looking for a place to do, to serve, to serve and to obey the Great Commission.
Speaker BYou know, to go.
Speaker BSo this foundation helps us by providing financial support.
Speaker BAlso it helps build partnership and also it mobilizes resources, you know, so that the ministry can continue to grow, the kingdom can continue to expand.
Speaker BAnd it's three pillars are love, serve and testify.
Speaker BAnd that's what we're all about, you know, love, because that's where everything starts, right?
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BBecause we love because God loved us.
Speaker BAnd it's served because that's the way we put into practice what love is.
Speaker BLove is not just a word, not just a feeling, but in the Christian theology is action.
Speaker BAnd we testify about what God has done in us.
Speaker BSo we don't just have a great message, a great savior, but there's something great that God has done in our hearts.
Speaker BAnd we're all about sharing Jesus and making him known.
Speaker AVery cool.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AAll right.
Speaker AAll right.
Speaker ASo what's going on right now?
Speaker AWhat are you guys doing right now?
Speaker AWhat are some of the big push, what's the current initiatives and what's like the five year vision of Lanaje Eskihito and Love Serve Testifies?
Speaker CDefinitely.
Speaker BWell, there is.
Speaker BThey might not be in water, but one of them is building a permanent space for the ministry of Lina Jes Cojido.
Speaker BYou know, as we are kind of like the epicenter of where we go out to the community and do outreach programs and impact our community in different ways.
Speaker BOne of the things is that right now we're fundraising to buy a land so we can have a permanent place where we can build a worship center, but also a pastoral and training facility.
Speaker BAnd so that's one of them also we are working on a community right now called Benticinco de Octobre.
Speaker BAnd the big vision is to develop that community one through education.
Speaker BIt's one of the big ones because there's only one school, 50 children, and all of them with, I mean, it's less than, you know, a decent income.
Speaker BAnd so this year, a church called Northland Hills Baptist Church, they gave for school material for every one of them.
Speaker BAlso we are what we build a garden so that the school can have, you know, sow and harvest vegetables.
Speaker BWe also have a well, a well that we did for the community, for the whole community.
Speaker BAnd so that's our second thing that we're doing.
Speaker CWe have a playground.
Speaker BDeveloping that.
Speaker BThey have a playground.
Speaker BThat's the only playground in that whole community.
Speaker BAnd so we're developing that as for right now.
Speaker BBut we'll see where God, where God takes us from there.
Speaker AIt's kind of crazy because I'm.
Speaker AI can't wait to see what it's like when God builds this community, right?
Speaker ALike when, when he.
Speaker AHe's got it to where he wants it, right?
Speaker ABecause it's.
Speaker AIt's not often that you get to see an entire community, like, built up by God, right.
Speaker ABy his.
Speaker AHis workers, but just his right.
Speaker AI mean, everything that's being poured into this community is.
Speaker AIs for his glory, right?
Speaker AAnd so, I mean, everything from, I mean, the water to the food to the children to the.
Speaker ATo being able to speak into the parents and getting to see, like, the video the other night of some of that, like, it's.
Speaker AI am excited to see, you know, when that the poverty level is raised in that community, like, how that community is going to worship him all the more.
Speaker AYou know, be really cool to see them develop a church plot and a church land and, you know, praise God in their community because he's the one who built it, right?
Speaker ALike, that's.
Speaker AThat's gonna be cool.
Speaker CI love that we get a chance to minister to this community and also get a chance to minister to family, families in the city.
Speaker CI love that.
Speaker CI love that we could see three parts of what God is doing.
Speaker CMissionary families, hundred families, and Ventico de Octura, this community that we're bringing the.
Speaker CThe gospel to.
Speaker CAnd so this just allows me to see how wide we're going, you know, how.
Speaker CHow we're.
Speaker CWe're extending because as we minister to the families, we're.
Speaker CWe're reaching parts of Komayawa that maybe we couldn't reach.
Speaker CAs we minister to the missionaries and they go out right in the week to minister to the other communities that they're serving in, we're reaching that community, those communities as well, and then coming to this community, we don't know what God's gonna do.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker CBut we know that he's already doing something and he's doing it.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BSo.
Speaker BSo this is.
Speaker BI mean, it's expanding and.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker BOh, you were saying something in April.
Speaker CNo, that's okay.
Speaker CIt's okay.
Speaker DI just wanted to say in building the garden, one of the really amazing things that I'm seeing that I know God is going to use to change this community.
Speaker DWe watched a video of some of the children had planted seeds.
Speaker DThere was beets and carrots in particular.
Speaker DAnd they not only told us what they were, but what they were good for for our bodies, what their benefits are.
Speaker DAnd to me, that is so cool, because that's going to.
Speaker AI mean, because kids in the United States can't do that.
Speaker DThey don't want to.
Speaker AEagle.
Speaker BThat goes beyond just.
Speaker BThat's that planting a seed, you know, let's eat from here.
Speaker AIt's understanding the seed.
Speaker ARight?
Speaker DThat's a deep thing.
Speaker DAren't gonna want to eat beets or carrots.
Speaker CThey're holding it up so proud.
Speaker DOh, and the squash, yes, they were holding it up proud, but now that they know, hey, this is.
Speaker DBeets are good for your blood.
Speaker DBeets are good for your heart.
Speaker CCarrots are good for your eyes.
Speaker DCarrots are good for your eyes.
Speaker DThey're going to want maybe more education and want to eat that and want to make sure that their bodies are healthy, especially in a community where they don't have much food, where they don't.
Speaker DSo they're growing it themselves.
Speaker DThey're going to take pride in that.
Speaker DThey understand where that seed came from, how it's grown and now what it does for our bodies.
Speaker DAnd, you know, that's God's plan.
Speaker DPlan is for us to, you know, to grow in him from the smallest seed all the way to harvest.
Speaker DRight?
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker DSo.
Speaker CAnd if you think about it, too, there's children learning all of this, and that's how we're going to change our community.
Speaker CIf we can minister to the children, if we can minister to their hearts and bring the Word and disciple them and make them see something different that maybe their parents didn't have a chance to see.
Speaker CBut.
Speaker CBut we can do it as well, minister to the parents.
Speaker CBut if we could think about the next generation that's going to grow up in this community with a different mindset.
Speaker CBecause sometimes we want to do things now, right?
Speaker CWe want to fix things now.
Speaker CWe want a community change now.
Speaker CAnd it won't happen.
Speaker CIt won't be like that.
Speaker CBut if we think maybe 10 years, maybe 15, maybe 20, you know, but at this point, same time, think about the now when you're ministering to the kids and you're loving on them and you're sharing God's word, what's.
Speaker CWhat's changing now in their hearts.
Speaker CAnd the.
Speaker CAnd the.
Speaker CThe effect, the fruit of that, right?
Speaker CSo that's just cool to see.
Speaker DWe all have that story.
Speaker DWe all have a story of how someone from a church, a Christian person, did something for us, showed us love, showed us protection, showed us kindness, gave us food, whatever those things are.
Speaker DAnd so think about what seeds are being planted in them now as they grow because of that person or that church or that group that, that group of missionaries.
Speaker DBut it all goes back to Lanaje Escojito.
Speaker DServing the Lord in a community, answering the call that they were given from God.
Speaker ASo one of the, one of the big things that I think you guys do that's phenomenal is the way you go about serving those who are in poverty, right?
Speaker AIt's the wrong way to do it is to throw money at it.
Speaker AAnd that's not saying don't donate money to the organizations and the missions and all that stuff.
Speaker AThat is saying if the missionaries were to just throw money at it and develop it and just do it all for them, the, the outcome would not be God's outcome.
Speaker ARight?
Speaker ALike the outcome would be man's outcome and everything that man does is folly.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ASo speak a little bit to like the curriculum a little bit, you know, like what the book is called.
Speaker AI can't remember now.
Speaker CWhen Helping Hurts.
Speaker AWhen Helping Hurts.
Speaker AThank you.
Speaker AYou guys have your missionaries read that and realize that the perspective is not.
Speaker AIt's truly a teach a man to fish perspective, like reach their hearts and the rest of it will be made known.
Speaker DWell, it's all about poverty, right?
Speaker DAnd poverty is not just lack of material things.
Speaker DPoverty is brokenness with yourself, with God and with others, as well as that materialistic point of view.
Speaker DAnd so you have to minister to all those areas.
Speaker DBut just throwing money at someone or bringing in and doing for them, not coming alongside and teaching them, all that does is make them dependent upon you.
Speaker AWell, because also the problem may look like they don't have the material, but that doesn't mean that's actually the problem.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AAnd so the solution can't be that.
Speaker ARight?
Speaker BSo this book is a really key changer.
Speaker BYou know, there's a lot of books, but this is just one of them.
Speaker BBecause this book, what it does, as you're reading it first, it helps because we can have harmful assumptions.
Speaker BSo, you know, we go.
Speaker BPeople go as missionaries to very impoverished countries and they have good intentions, but unknowingly they adopt a relief mindset, you know, just like a handout, like, I'm just going to give $100 to this poor child right here or just shoes or you know, and so rather than a development mindset, you, you know, empowering people long term.
Speaker BSo the book helps our misconceptions or our assumptions or a misguided aid, you know, can create dependency.
Speaker BThat's what it's done long term.
Speaker BThat's what we see our countries like, you know, they depend on what they're Going to give me.
Speaker BYou know, they also.
Speaker BBut also they rob their dignity.
Speaker BOne of the things that we see continually is men don't show up.
Speaker BIt's only women, it's only children, but men don't show up because we're robbing their dignity.
Speaker BYou know, they feel I can't support my family.
Speaker BI can't even give them what they need, you know, and moms, moms lose.
Speaker BYou know, they do anything for their kids.
Speaker BBut when it comes to men, that's why we don't have many men in church sometimes.
Speaker BAnd just remember the context I'm talking about.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BBecause it hurts both the giver and the receiver.
Speaker AWhat's really great is we've been.
Speaker AWe've been reading that as our mission team's coming down or is getting ready to come down.
Speaker AAnd it's been a resounding.
Speaker AThat's here too.
Speaker ALike, that's not just poverty in other countries.
Speaker AIt's not just poverty in, in whatever super poor places.
Speaker AIt's poverty here in the United States too.
Speaker ASo I want to encourage anybody who's interested in helping anybody ever to really take a look at the book and read through it, because it'll 100% help you here as much as anywhere else that you might go.
Speaker AWe had some people just echo that feeling.
Speaker AEven the dignity thing, like when somebody else gives me, gives my kids something that I can't provide for them, one.
Speaker BThing is to give a little gift somewhere, it's like, oh, thank you for giving that.
Speaker BBut another thing is when, you know, you're struggling as a man and you're not providing it, and this looks like a handout.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BYou know, not as a gift like the giver.
Speaker BSometimes it's like it's a gift, it's a blessing, but we're not seeing the other side.
Speaker DRight.
Speaker BYou know, they don't see it like just a gift, but it's more of a handout.
Speaker BLike, here you go, you know, you're poor people and here you go.
Speaker AAnd a lot of times it's based on our perception too, like, of what they might need and it might not.
Speaker BIt's not a bad intention, absolutely.
Speaker BBut long term, it hurts.
Speaker BSo we gotta be wise.
Speaker DWhat father wants to sit there and watch somebody from another country, for example, come in and give their child or their wife something that is a basic need, and they can't provide that.
Speaker DNobody, not even in the United States, we don't want that.
Speaker DHonduras doesn't want that.
Speaker DAny country, I mean, anywhere.
Speaker DWe're talking about any Father so there.
Speaker BAre ways because they do need it, right?
Speaker AThey do need it, absolutely.
Speaker BBut there are ways to do it.
Speaker BAnd this book, When Helping Hurts, I think it's a must read because it provides practical strategies and how to give and how to when to give or even how to foster that sustainability, you know, and so there are ways that are not hurtful, and sometimes it's hard because, you know, some people are just can't stop and like, I want to help and they help, but not maybe the best way, you know, and let me, let us just be humble and know that there are better ways.
Speaker BAnd let us be humble to know that, yes, we've done work, but we've done it sometimes the wrong way.
Speaker BAnd the worst thing that we could do is continue to think we're doing good when we're doing harm.
Speaker DAnd that's one of the reasons Love Serve Testify foundation came about, was to help serve on the state side so that we can change that thought process, that attitude, that helping, helping, but yet it's harming.
Speaker DAnd so Peter and Kathy and Kenya, Carla and Lanaije Escohito, they are on the ground.
Speaker DThey are there, they see, they know exactly what is needed and how to provide it.
Speaker DAnd so my, I feel like my biggest responsibility is to educate people here.
Speaker DAnd then also, you know, yes, we can use the donations, but the pastors, they know what needs to be done.
Speaker DSo we give that money, goes to them to then use as they see fit, as they know they can provide without hurting the community and developing that dependency.
Speaker BLST and Lina Escojilo have worked very well.
Speaker BAnd just the way April and the rest of the team of the churches that come through them have worked very well.
Speaker BBecause one of the things that this book teaches is sometimes we have to promote partnership and not paternalism.
Speaker BSo sometimes missionaries are tempted to serve like saviors and not servants.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BAnd so this book, it's very healthy because it teaches that to build something that in partnership, it requires listening to the community, partnering with local leaders, and recognizing the assets already present.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AI think that another important thing, too, even in our context, right, in the United States context, is like looking at what's already being effective.
Speaker ARight?
Speaker ALike if you're, if you're a church, especially if you're, if you're another church out there listening, and you see, the thought comes, okay, well, you know, I think we need food is a food insecurity is a thing like we want to start a food pantry.
Speaker AI see that so much.
Speaker ABut look to see if that's already being done.
Speaker AAnd if it's already being done, especially if it's being done well, see how you can partner with them if that's something that you're feeling called to do.
Speaker DAbsolutely.
Speaker ABecause in Lehigh, right.
Speaker AWhat Lehi needs is not another food pantry.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AA lot of churches.
Speaker AAnd I'm gonna call out churches now.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ABecause that's what I do on my podcast is I call a lot of people out.
Speaker AAnd one of the things that churches like to do is do things that make them feel good.
Speaker ARight, Right.
Speaker AAnd they like to do things that they can pat themselves on the back for.
Speaker COh, there's five food pantries.
Speaker CBut ours is gonna be the best.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AAnd nobody wants to communicate.
Speaker ANobody wants to.
Speaker AAnd so, like, if you're at a church or you have a calling that you're feeling like the Lord is placing on your heart, look at the community you're being called to into serving and see what's there, see what's effective, and then figure out how you can build them up.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AAnd how you can help come alongside them.
Speaker CIt's unity.
Speaker AAnd it's never, never, never what I did or what our church did, but always what the Lord has done.
Speaker CAmen.
Speaker BI think Tanya wants to.
Speaker CTry and understand everything you guys were saying.
Speaker COne of the things that I love that we do at Hope in the City, which is our outreach program ministry that we do very intentionally when we.
Speaker DServe.
Speaker CIntegral de la Comonia, that our mission is to support everyone in the community.
Speaker CThis holistic support includes spiritually, emotionally, physical.
Speaker CAnd when we combine all of these, we realize that all of them are very important for all of them.
Speaker CWe can't just bring the gospel.
Speaker CThe Bible tells us.
Speaker CThe Bible reminds us that you can't just say, oh, yeah, I'll pray for you, and not provide.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker CWhat they need if they're hungry.
Speaker CSo this reminds me that this is something about holistic support.
Speaker CSo no matter who we are supporting or helping, we can't just think, oh, I'm going to bring this food, and then that's it, or I'm going to just pray, and then that's it.
Speaker CWe must think, what is all that God wants to do with this person?
Speaker CNot just one thing, not just one area, but everything that God wants me to do for this person.
Speaker CAnd so when we touch all the areas, it might be a little painful to see the choice, but we're also going to feel love as we do what the Lord has called us to do and to be there for the good and the bad moments of their lives.
Speaker CSo it's about that.
Speaker AAwesome.
Speaker AOkay, so as we.
Speaker AAs we come to a close, as we start winding down, because we're at an hour and 24 minutes, which it's easy to do.
Speaker DI am sorry.
Speaker DI just had a point I wanted to make.
Speaker DI was thinking back on.
Speaker DIn the beginning, you asked about the culture.
Speaker DTell me about the culture of Honduras.
Speaker DAnd one of the things that was hard for me to learn and yet such a blessing when I finally learned it.
Speaker DKurt, my husband, says, on a regular basis, we don't go to Honduras to North Americanize them.
Speaker DWe go to serve them and come alongside them.
Speaker DSo we need to remember in missions and when helping hurts.
Speaker DThat book really demonstrates we're not trying to change their culture.
Speaker DWe're trying to change the poverty, what that looks like as a whole.
Speaker DSo we're not trying to change the culture and make everything like we do in North America.
Speaker DThat's not our goal.
Speaker DIt should not be our goal.
Speaker AI'll tell you what, I hope it never happens, but because, like, I love the culture in Honduras and I love to be able to go and visit and be a participant in the things that are there.
Speaker DIn all things Honduras.
Speaker AIn all things Honduras.
Speaker ACoffee included.
Speaker AAlthough, just for those of you who ever go to Honduras and have coffee, if you like things like frappuccinos, they come with two shots of espresso half the time already.
Speaker ASo don't order your three.
Speaker AThree extra shots of espresso because that's five shots of espresso.
Speaker AJust.
Speaker AJust heads up.
Speaker AThey already put it in their coffee.
Speaker DSo that sounds like you're speaking from it.
Speaker AI'm speaking from.
Speaker AYes, it was delicious, don't get me wrong, but it was almost harmful deletion.
Speaker CSo you were up all night?
Speaker AYeah, it was.
Speaker AIt was definitely bounce off the wall kind of energy.
Speaker AAll right, so just a real quick how we can get involved, how people who are interested can get involved.
Speaker AVery brief.
Speaker AWhat is it?
Speaker AWhat can people do if they want to be involved in your ministries?
Speaker CSure.
Speaker DGo to loveservetestify.foundation.org, loveservetestifyfoundation.org and you can read all about, see what's happening, and you can make donations.
Speaker DThere we are, a 501c3 tax deductible.
Speaker DSo that's another bonus to that.
Speaker DIf you want to partner alongside, you can ask questions to me.
Speaker DIf I can't answer them, I'll get in touch with Peter and Kathy and see what I can find out.
Speaker BOr you can go to their church?
Speaker CYes.
Speaker CYeah, you can come.
Speaker COh, yeah, come.
Speaker CYou can.
Speaker CYou can visit us on Facebook.
Speaker CWe have our Facebook page.
Speaker CThis might sound a little confusing because it's in Spanish, but it's Ministerio Linaje Escojido Comaya.
Speaker AAnd I'll make sure and have these things all listed and links in the.
Speaker AIn the bios and stuff like that.
Speaker AOr not the bios.
Speaker ALinks in the description.
Speaker ABios.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker COn the social media, if you're listening and you are maybe a mission director or somehow involved in missions in your church and you're trying to find a place where you can serve and with a church that is preaching the gospel and is focused in that to make more disciples for Christ in their nation.
Speaker CWe'd love to have you with us in Honduras.
Speaker CSo you could also go ahead and write that down in a message in our loveserve Testify foundation page.
Speaker AI want to mention something about that for those who are either the missions directors or elders of the church, and they're looking for missions trips and stuff that they can take.
Speaker AAnd I know that this should never be the driving factor, but if you want somewhere that is fairly affordable.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AIt's not a long ways away in the grand scheme of things.
Speaker AIt's a fairly short amount of flight, of course, unless you're in Germany, which I know a couple of you are that listen and whatnot.
Speaker ASo.
Speaker ABut if you want something like that, and you know, you want.
Speaker AI always struggle with paying an organization, and that's just my mentality, you know, to, you know, this grand amount of money to take us somewhere.
Speaker ALike hooking up with these ministries here has really been cool because most of the money is going straight into the ministry.
Speaker AAnd that cuts out the scary middleman a lot of times that we have, at least as United States people, North American mindset of like, well, okay, this person's just taking all the money for their profit or whatever for their paycheck.
Speaker AThat's a lot of how I know our homeless industry works inside the United States.
Speaker AThis is great because I get to experience it firsthand.
Speaker AAnd I'm telling you guys, it's awesome to get to see the funds and the help.
Speaker AAnd all of that stuff just gets fundamental, funneled right into the people and the things that God is doing through the church there.
Speaker DWe'll also come alongside you and help train you, help provide materials that we use to train teams so that it is a great experience for you because it is about the experience as well.
Speaker CAnd you can fly to their church.
Speaker DVisit the teams help train teams.
Speaker DWhatever is needed, we're here to help you with that so that it's a great opportunity for everyone and we don't hurt when we're trying to help.
Speaker AYeah, yeah.
Speaker AIt's very good ways to support.
Speaker ABesides just getting involved.
Speaker ALike, what are some other ways, like, monetarily, obviously, if you want to donate, that will help greatly.
Speaker AThey're looking to buy land and build property and build building for their church, but also the.
Speaker CPastoral and ministry center.
Speaker AThank you.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ASo training up the other ministers in the country, I mean, whoever finds them and wants to come and be built up.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ALike, it's not just Comayagua, but anywhere in the country that wants to do that.
Speaker AAnd we didn't talk a lot about that.
Speaker AYou know, time limited, but that's a huge thing.
Speaker AI mean, that's a big thing.
Speaker AAnd so they're raising funds to be able to make that dream a reality, that vision, a reality, that calling a reality.
Speaker AAnd like I say on Sunday morning, sometimes God's gonna do it with or without you.
Speaker ABut, man, the blessings of getting to help and be used by God is so awesome.
Speaker ASo definitely funds towards that.
Speaker AAnd anything besides prayer.
Speaker AAnything else besides prayer, because I want to hit that next.
Speaker ABut any other support.
Speaker AOkay, so prayer is big.
Speaker AObviously.
Speaker APrayers are number one.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker APrayer is the first thing that we do, not the last thing that we do.
Speaker ABecause if you're prayed up, you won't react to things.
Speaker AYou act right.
Speaker ALike there's.
Speaker AYou're ready for it.
Speaker AGod has made you ready in that.
Speaker AAnd so it's a really important thing to.
Speaker AI know everyone in here is life.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ABut to our ministry as well, and our church.
Speaker ASo I just want to go around and I want to ask each person for one thing that we can be praying us, the listeners, can be praying for you specifically for.
Speaker AAll right.
Speaker ABecause we've heard all the things that we can be praying for, the ministries for, but you specifically for.
Speaker AAnd I want to start over here.
Speaker AAnd we'll end with Peter, but on the spot.
Speaker CWell, my first request would be to pray that we would raise all the funds to build our church.
Speaker COkay.
Speaker CWell, the first is to hear God's voice and everything that God wants us to do with Linages, but also pray for my mom's health, that God would take control over her health.
Speaker DI think mine is that I would draw into the Lord more and be faithful and glorify him in all that I do.
Speaker DNot just the ministry, the foundation, but in every aspect of my life.
Speaker CTo continue to serve the Lord faithfully and to focus in my marriage as well.
Speaker CNot leave marriage as a second thing, but to be the first thing and my calling as a mom as well.
Speaker CI want to be a good mom and I want to be a good wife.
Speaker CI want to not in the worldly standard, but the godly standards.
Speaker CSo that would be my prayer request.
Speaker CAnd of course to see Linajes Cojido Church, the dream made come true.
Speaker COf course.
Speaker CTouch it, see it, smell it, everything.
Speaker ANot taste it.
Speaker CNot taste.
Speaker AI don't know.
Speaker ACoffee.
Speaker CWell, we could taste the coffee that the Lord is good.
Speaker BMade to.
Speaker BTo keep.
Speaker BTo keep growing.
Speaker BTo be able to stand as a godly man till the end.
Speaker AAmen.
Speaker AAll right, guys, so don't forget, love servetestifyfoundation.org ministerial.
Speaker CYes, very good.
Speaker AOn on Facebook, Instagram as well.
Speaker AInstagram as well.
Speaker AAnd Love Serve Testify foundation is on both of those as well.
Speaker AWe here at the Truth Response are also on both of those things.
Speaker ASo check us out too.
Speaker ABut as always, thanks for joining us and God bless.
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