Speaker A

What's going on, everybody?

Speaker A

I'm here with a full house today.

Speaker A

It's me, Derek.

Speaker A

And today we have Peter.

Speaker B

Hello, everyone.

Speaker A

We got Kathy.

Speaker C

Hola.

Speaker A

We have April, which you saw a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker D

Hi.

Speaker A

We have Carla.

Speaker C

Hi.

Speaker A

And we have Kenya.

Speaker C

Hola.

Speaker A

And the four of them are not April.

Speaker A

So for those of you who are listening, I gotta remember that there's people.

Speaker C

That are just listening.

Speaker A

The four that aren't April, Peter, Kathy, Carla, and Kenya are Honduran missionaries or pastors, and Honduras and ministry team.

Speaker A

And then April is the.

Speaker A

What are you.

Speaker A

What's your position?

Speaker D

The president and founder of Love Serve.

Speaker A

Testify foundation and the church.

Speaker A

You guys are lead.

Speaker B

Ministerio li naje es cojido.

Speaker A

Which means what?

Speaker B

Which means.

Speaker B

It comes from First Peter.

Speaker B

2.

Speaker B

9 means chosen generation.

Speaker A

Love it.

Speaker A

Love it.

Speaker A

So today we're going to talk a little bit about what they do, what's going on in their lives, and how LST or Love Serve Testify foundation got started.

Speaker A

So buckle up and welcome to the Truth Response.

Speaker A

You guys did not say it.

Speaker C

Let's try again.

Speaker A

Take a dose.

Speaker A

Right, so all this is probably going to stay on it.

Speaker A

Welcome, and welcome to the Truth Response.

Speaker A

All right, so today we have a special treat, and that is Pastor Peter is going to pray in Spanish and Kathy is going to translate.

Speaker C

That's right.

Speaker B

Awesome.

Speaker B

Okay, so pale celestial heavenly father, hablar a suntos de toreno.

Speaker C

We're just so grateful that we get a chance to sit and talk about your kingdom.

Speaker B

Hablar tus verdades eternas to speak about.

Speaker C

Your eternal truth and to share what you are doing in our midst.

Speaker C

So, Father, use this episode to encourage, to edify, and to speak truth to our hearts.

Speaker C

In Jesus name we pray.

Speaker B

Amen.

Speaker C

Amen.

Speaker A

Amen.

Speaker A

All right, so why don't we start off, just say who you are and what you do at in your things.

Speaker A

April's already said what she does, but go ahead and start with Peter.

Speaker B

All right, well, thank you for having us in this podcast.

Speaker B

My name is Peter and I'm a lead pastor at Linages Coido Church in Comayagua, Honduras.

Speaker B

So that's what I do.

Speaker A

Very good.

Speaker A

That's a one day a week job, right?

Speaker B

Yeah, pretty much.

Speaker B

Pretty much.

Speaker C

Well, hello everyone.

Speaker C

Thank you for tuning in and for listening to this podcast.

Speaker C

My name is Catherine and I am Pastor Peter's wife.

Speaker C

And I also oversee a lot of the programs and the administrative part of the church.

Speaker A

Okay, and then April, who is the.

Speaker D

President and founder of Love Serve Testify Foundation, Also team leader for mission trips.

Speaker A

How long have you been going?

Speaker D

14, almost 15 years now.

Speaker A

Okay, cool.

Speaker A

Very cool.

Speaker C

Ministerio de Logistica.

Speaker C

All right, My name is Carla and I serve in the area of logistics.

Speaker C

And my name is Kenya and I serve in the area of discipleship ministries.

Speaker A

Yeah, and of course you guys know me and the annoying voice behind the microphone.

Speaker A

So very first thing we want to kick off today with is what does lanaje eskihito mean?

Speaker A

I want you to just restate that because it is a very important thing, I think, for our generation to get behind.

Speaker A

You know, I think it's something that every generation should get behind.

Speaker A

Right, but what does that mean to you guys and in your group?

Speaker A

And how did the vision for your ministry really begin?

Speaker B

Yeah, so linages cojido, like I said earlier, means chosen generation.

Speaker B

And it comes from scripture based on 1st Peter 2, 9, which says that God calls us a chosen generation or chosen people, including royal priesthood, holy nation.

Speaker B

And so that's where it comes from.

Speaker B

It's just a reminder that, you know, we are God's people not because we chose him, but because he chose us.

Speaker B

And so it's just a beautiful reminder of what grace really means and what being saved really means to all of us.

Speaker B

So that's the name in Spanish, Linaje Escojido.

Speaker B

And this burden in our hearts placed by God, it started maybe nine years ago, but it started in our hearts and it stir our hearts every day.

Speaker B

And so seven years ago we were sent by our home church to the city of Komayawa to start a new church plant.

Speaker B

And so we started off with eight people and now we're 140 people.

Speaker B

It's a bilingual church.

Speaker B

And that is because God has blessed us with having not just local people, but also foreign people, especially English speaking people.

Speaker B

And so that's what God has done.

Speaker B

And we're just amazed of what God.

Speaker B

Where God started and how he has worked in putting people together from, from different countries.

Speaker B

So to the abandonment and edification of his kingdom and his church.

Speaker A

Very cool.

Speaker A

And you guys were married when all this happened?

Speaker A

So you guys, how long you guys been married?

Speaker C

13 years.

Speaker A

13 years.

Speaker C

Say it.

Speaker B

I just told.

Speaker B

I just let her say it because I wanted to hear if she.

Speaker B

Yeah, I know it.

Speaker B

I know it.

Speaker A

Nobody out there believes that.

Speaker A

So.

Speaker A

So okay, so what was it like for you going into this?

Speaker A

Like going like stepping out right out of that comfort zone.

Speaker A

What was that like?

Speaker C

Exciting.

Speaker C

Exciting.

Speaker C

It was something we've been talking about for a long time, since we got married and we just were like thinking, what is God going to do in our lives and how is he going to use us?

Speaker C

And we just knew that doing ministry is what we wanted to do as a couple, you know.

Speaker C

So when we were sent to Kameyawa, the city of Kameyawa, we were super excited, super happy to be able to start something new.

Speaker C

And it was hard.

Speaker B

We didn't hesitate.

Speaker B

It was like, it felt like we were born for this.

Speaker B

So we were just waiting on God's green light.

Speaker B

And for us doing ministry, we didn't wrestle with it, we didn't put excuses.

Speaker B

It was like, we want to do this, we want to serve.

Speaker B

And just let us know where, when, and we're going to be there, you know, and so that's for us, that's been our just the way what we feel towards whatever God puts in front of us in how to serve him better.

Speaker C

And it's been, it's been hard, right?

Speaker C

It's.

Speaker B

I'm not saying the challenge is that.

Speaker A

Ministry is not easy.

Speaker A

We talk about that a lot on here.

Speaker C

There's moments.

Speaker A

Ministry would be super easy without people though, wouldn't it be?

Speaker A

I know, yeah.

Speaker A

But yeah, no, it is.

Speaker B

It, I think like just anything that you're called by God, it is a, it is a privilege first and foremost.

Speaker B

Right?

Speaker B

None of us are, are worthy of anything like this.

Speaker B

And we have no talents or, or gifting that we would bring to the table so that the kingdom of God would be better.

Speaker B

It's.

Speaker B

Everything has been given by God for Him.

Speaker B

And so any talent or any gifting that we have, it's because he has given it to us and he works through those giftings.

Speaker B

And so, yeah, so for us it is a privilege, but also it's a big responsibility.

Speaker B

You know, it's God's work.

Speaker B

It's not my own personal business, my own personal vision.

Speaker B

It's his work.

Speaker B

And so it is a big responsibility.

Speaker B

So we do it with a lot of joy and, but also a lot of fear and reverence too, because we are working for him, you know, and it's his name, not my name, it's his reputation on my reputation.

Speaker B

And so it is a big responsibility.

Speaker B

And yes, there is challenges that sometimes we don't talk about them enough, but they're there and we don't know what they're going to be.

Speaker B

But when you face it, you know that God's there.

Speaker B

This is, this is about God.

Speaker B

And so you, you, you learn to depend on him through the challenges and just sit and wait to what he has to say.

Speaker B

You know, how to face all those challenges.

Speaker A

For sure.

Speaker A

Now, for those of you who are numbers people like me, 13 years, you guys have been married.

Speaker B

Yep.

Speaker A

14 years, been going to Honduras.

Speaker C

Right.

Speaker A

So you got to see this develop.

Speaker A

And what.

Speaker A

Just a quick perspective.

Speaker A

Like, what.

Speaker A

What's it been like to see the two of them and the church and everybody coming along, you know, coming into the.

Speaker A

Like, you've seen it go from not nothing, but from nothing to where.

Speaker A

Where they are now.

Speaker A

What.

Speaker A

What's that been like?

Speaker D

It's really been a huge blessing to watch them grow and watch them step out in faith.

Speaker D

It's really increased my trust and faith in the Lord by watching them step out so big all the time and just watching how God uses them to reach people.

Speaker D

So beautiful.

Speaker D

So.

Speaker D

And watching them go from our translator.

Speaker D

The very first year, Kathy was our translator, and she was dating Peter and just watched Emily go through the process of them getting married, them continuing, stepping out in faith, coming to Komayawa.

Speaker D

Yeah, it was just beautiful.

Speaker D

And they do exactly what they were saying.

Speaker A

They.

Speaker D

The.

Speaker D

It's not their reputation, and they never act like it's about them.

Speaker D

It's all about God and his glory and sharing his gospel with others in order to let others see that the promises of God and what he has for them.

Speaker D

So, yeah, it's just been.

Speaker D

And I know I keep saying it's beautiful, but it's been beautiful to watch.

Speaker D

I want to be them when I grow up.

Speaker A

It's cool to get to see, really, a ministry start and then flourish.

Speaker A

It's really neat to get to see that Our church kind of restarted five or six years ago, and it's been cool to see that happen here.

Speaker D

To be honest, I've never seen two people step out in faith so big and so much, and God continues to bless them through that.

Speaker C

Yeah, thanks.

Speaker A

Very cool.

Speaker A

Very cool.

Speaker A

All right, so the two of you who.

Speaker A

Who joined this.

Speaker A

This crowd first?

Speaker C

Kenya.

Speaker A

Kenya, tell me.

Speaker A

Tell me a little bit of your story.

Speaker A

Like, when you came in, like, what brought you into it?

Speaker A

Like.

Speaker C

Well, I came to the church Linages in La Villa where Peter's parents were, and so was he.

Speaker C

When I was 15, I remember the first time I was at Linaj.

Speaker C

You know, I was thinking, this is just going to be a religious boring night.

Speaker C

Young people that are boring, that's what the gospel looked like for me from the outside.

Speaker C

But that night when I was there, it was all completely different.

Speaker C

Pastor Peter, after the whole service, he came and he Said, did you think it was going to be boring?

Speaker C

And I was like, how did he know that?

Speaker C

And ever since then, I was very much involved.

Speaker C

I began to really enjoy serving in the church.

Speaker C

So I became part of the leadership in the youth El Paso Piteri.

Speaker C

Catherine I really like the leadership style of Pastor Peter and Kathy, and they've learned so, so much.

Speaker C

So from 15 to the 34 years that I am now, we've served together.

Speaker C

Yes, You.

Speaker C

It's been a great moment to understand and to learn more about the Lord.

Speaker C

I've grown, I've advanced, and I've been able to learn to walk with God in a way that doesn't feel.

Speaker C

And this is surreal, but more real, has sustained me throughout these years.

Speaker C

And so here we are.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker C

And so many times we would talk about one day we're going to travel together and serve the Lord out of, you know, out of Honduras.

Speaker C

And this is now my second trip to the United States.

Speaker C

And it feels.

Speaker C

It feels great to see how God is fulfilling our dreams.

Speaker C

And only the Lord can do that.

Speaker A

Very cool.

Speaker A

All right, Carla.

Speaker C

Well, Kenya, he preached the gospel to me.

Speaker C

Momento on the.

Speaker C

And I was in the university still, and I was telling God I really want to be a part of something.

Speaker C

And at school, at university, I didn't have a lot of friends, and so I wanted to get more involved with youth.

Speaker C

And so I was sitting, and then I said, well, I'm just going to go.

Speaker C

And the first church I bump into as I walk, that's where I'll go.

Speaker C

Pero conos dias Conocia Kenyon en lo universidad.

Speaker C

And that was one thing I was thinking.

Speaker C

But after that, days after that, I met Kenya in the university.

Speaker C

Yo digo realmentel, senor.

Speaker C

Mi a TRA huair.

Speaker C

And I said, I think that now I understand the Lord is who brought me to him.

Speaker C

El amedijo quereza compaarme a la villa a mi iglesia.

Speaker C

And after being friends for a while, she said, do you want to come with me to church in my town?

Speaker C

La villa esta bien.

Speaker C

I said, yeah, fine.

Speaker C

Yeah, let's go.

Speaker C

And I loved it because the majority of the members of the church were really young.

Speaker C

The songs were contemporary.

Speaker C

And those is me que de el siente fin de semana, yo le de.

Speaker C

And so that weekend, I spent that weekend there, and I said, I want to come next weekend.

Speaker C

I received Christ and I told God, I want to serve you, Lord.

Speaker C

I remember that they were having a pastor over that weekend, and I Said God, I really want to go.

Speaker C

And pastor invited me.

Speaker C

The pastor, sorry, called me and said, I think you're wondering how you're going to come to La Via if you don't have any money to come, but the Lord will provide so that you can continue to come to church.

Speaker C

And that's when I said, yes, God.

Speaker C

So I began my disciples, I began to see.

Speaker C

Certainly I never thought I was going to be part of the leadership in the church because I did not see the things that I see now.

Speaker C

And I feel that God's been there.

Speaker C

He's taught me so much.

Speaker C

My pastor Peter and Kathy and Kenya, look, they saw what I wasn't seeing.

Speaker C

And so now we're serving him here.

Speaker A

Amen.

Speaker A

You know what's really cool about all of.

Speaker A

All of this is it's not so different than any other culture.

Speaker C

Right.

Speaker A

Like, as far as these stories are the same stories that most people everywhere can relate to.

Speaker A

You know, like as a teenager you feel like you're lost or that it's boring to go to church or, I mean, it doesn't, doesn't matter if you're in Honduras or if you're in America, it feels the same way.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker A

Until you go and God gets a hold of you and it's the same God yesterday, today and tomorrow, you know, so it's, it's really cool to get to hear some of that.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker A

One more thing before we hit into these questions that, that we've got is tell me a little bit about your culture in Comayagua so that they can understand, you know, the culture in which you're talking about.

Speaker A

Whenever we're talking in here.

Speaker C

No, the Comaya Komayawa Creokes is a very welcoming community.

Speaker C

They love to receive people.

Speaker C

And I've also seen how foreigners just feel comfortable coming to Kameyawa there.

Speaker C

It just feels very welcoming and people are open to helping like with, like giving directions or being friendly with foreigners.

Speaker C

That's what she's.

Speaker C

She thinks.

Speaker B

So, for example, Komayawa, it's known for its well preserved colonial architecture.

Speaker A

Yeah, it is.

Speaker B

So, you know, it's beautiful stone.

Speaker A

It is beautiful.

Speaker B

It is beautiful cobblestone streets and in.

Speaker B

And some iconic, for example, clock tower, which is said that it's the first or second oldest clock in the world.

Speaker B

It has also the oldest bell in America.

Speaker B

So the culture there reflects a pride in its Spanish heritage because we were conquered by the Spaniards.

Speaker B

But also it's a mix between the Spanish heritage and the indigenous roots.

Speaker B

So, for example, the word Comayagua Is not a Spanish word.

Speaker B

It's an indigenous word that means abundance of water.

Speaker B

So Komayawa was the.

Speaker B

Was the first capital of under earth.

Speaker B

Also, it is a city that is very religious.

Speaker B

So there's a.

Speaker B

So faith plays a central role in.

Speaker B

In the life of the community.

Speaker B

For example, Holy Week, which we call Semana Santa.

Speaker B

You know, it's one of the most celebrated events known across the country for its beautiful alfombras or like colored sawdust carpets and its processions, you know, so churches are not just buildings, but they are sometimes hubs of spiritual life and community.

Speaker B

Also, the people of Kameyau are known for their, like they said, warmth, their humility, but also their generosity.

Speaker B

Family is a cornerstone of life in our city.

Speaker B

It's not a big city, it's a small city.

Speaker B

But neighbors treat each other like extended family.

Speaker B

Because it's so small, everybody knows each other.

Speaker B

It's like small towns here in the US Know everybody knows each other.

Speaker B

It's like they see somebody new, like, that's.

Speaker B

He's not from here.

Speaker A

That's weird to me, because when I was there, it felt like.

Speaker A

It felt like there was a lot of people.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker A

And so for.

Speaker A

For me, I mean, it did.

Speaker A

To me, it felt like.

Speaker A

I don't know.

Speaker A

I don't know how many.

Speaker A

Do you know what the population?

Speaker B

I think it's like 127,000.

Speaker A

Okay.

Speaker A

So that's not.

Speaker A

That's not small.

Speaker B

I mean.

Speaker B

I mean, the state is big, but, like the city, there's less people in that.

Speaker A

Okay.

Speaker A

Okay.

Speaker A

Well, it's big, but it's strange that people just can know each other.

Speaker A

Just that.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker C

You're walking and you're like, oh, bye, or hi.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker A

So it definitely felt bigger than that to me.

Speaker D

Very, very neighborly.

Speaker D

The house that we stay in, the people across the street came over and wanted to introduce themselves.

Speaker B

Just like the good old days.

Speaker D

Yeah, they were just.

Speaker D

I mean, and you don't expect that, especially when they see someone that's not from there.

Speaker D

Obviously not from there.

Speaker D

And they wanted to come over.

Speaker D

And I mean, we know them, we're friendly with them, and they're friendly with us.

Speaker B

As you, like, you walk in the streets, you know, people try to make eye contact with you just to, like, say, hey, or like, morning, you know, so it's really nice.

Speaker B

But also it has a lot of.

Speaker B

Like many of our countries in Central America has a lot of rich traditions.

Speaker B

Like, for example, there's the music.

Speaker B

It's the classical one.

Speaker B

It's like with Marimbas and folkloric dances to traditional wooden music.

Speaker B

You know, the food, for example, there's words that maybe some of our listeners won't understand, but maybe some will, you know, like for example, we have montucas, tamales, and that is things that are corn based or sopas a lot.

Speaker B

Eats a lot of soup.

Speaker B

You know also what else?

Speaker A

There's a lot.

Speaker C

Baliadas.

Speaker B

Is like the iconic.

Speaker A

It's the best.

Speaker C

Yes.

Speaker B

It's so good.

Speaker B

You describe it.

Speaker B

You want to describe it?

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker C

Baleadas is something you can eat in the morning in, in for lunch or dinner.

Speaker C

That's what's so cool about it.

Speaker C

It's a flour tortilla with refried beans on top.

Speaker C

And you can, you can add ingredients, like whatever other ingredients you would like.

Speaker C

But what Hondurans add is the plantain, the refried plantains, eggs.

Speaker C

You can add avocado, you can add chicken if you want.

Speaker A

Mantakia, man.

Speaker A

It's a cream cheese, right?

Speaker C

It's like a cream cheese, but it's more liquidy.

Speaker C

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker C

And then you close that up and you have the best.

Speaker D

You roll it up.

Speaker C

Oh, yeah.

Speaker D

Or fold it.

Speaker C

You fold it up, you fold it up.

Speaker C

And then you can taste.

Speaker C

Taste culture right there.

Speaker C

I like mine with chorizo, but also.

Speaker B

The, the, the city, because it is colonial.

Speaker B

It's very colorful.

Speaker C

Yes.

Speaker B

You know, so it's not just like, like in the cities, it's usually more modern colors like black, white, gray.

Speaker B

You know, Kumaya was different.

Speaker B

You got peach colors, you got yellow.

Speaker C

Colors, Red brain green, Red, green, yellow, blue.

Speaker A

All over the place.

Speaker A

All over, all over the place.

Speaker A

Very beautiful.

Speaker B

It's full of music and it's just, it's just a fun city.

Speaker B

It's a fun city.

Speaker B

It's close.

Speaker B

It's a valley.

Speaker C

There's a lot of cocktails.

Speaker B

And so it's beautiful as you walk there.

Speaker B

You know, you feel like you're, you're very close to beautiful mountains.

Speaker B

Yeah, it's, it's a, it's a hot weather as well.

Speaker B

You know, it's.

Speaker B

But at like around 4, 4:30, the, the heat starts coming down, you feel the wind blowing.

Speaker B

And also, you know, it's just that, that part of the day where most people start looking for the coffee for the afternoon.

Speaker B

You know, like you have your morning coffee, but then you got to look for your, your afternoon, your afternoon coffee.

Speaker B

And so we have really good places for, to drink coffee and for you to become a coffee snob.

Speaker B

You know, you start, you know, you just don't go to coffee and just order a latte.

Speaker B

You start like you, you can ask for methods like give me a V60, you know, a Chemex and a French press and all that.

Speaker B

So it's a really good place to try really good coffee.

Speaker B

So yes, Komaya was a, it's a nice blend between the old, the new, and it's also, it's a growing and evolving city because four or five years ago the international airport moved from the capital Tegucigalpa to the city of Comayawa.

Speaker B

So now that has brought a lot of growth and evolvement to our city.

Speaker B

So now we have more hotels, more restaurants.

Speaker A

Now did it move from one to the other or is it now in both places?

Speaker A

Like there's, did they add an airport?

Speaker B

No, now, now if you, if you take a plane to Honduras, you have two international airports, one in San Pedro Sula and one in Comayagua.

Speaker A

Okay.

Speaker B

The one in Tegucigalpa, the capital.

Speaker B

Now it's only used for local.

Speaker A

Okay.

Speaker B

For local use.

Speaker D

Camera.

Speaker A

Sorry about that, guys.

Speaker A

Okay, so that's all the, sounds like a lot of the positive side.

Speaker A

What's the negative side?

Speaker A

What's the, what's the struggles?

Speaker A

What's.

Speaker A

Is there crime is there?

Speaker A

I mean obviously everywhere there's some crime.

Speaker A

But like what, what is the, the struggles that the city faces?

Speaker A

That, that, you know, that you guys are.

Speaker B

Yeah, well, first of all, the lack of jobs.

Speaker B

Yeah, there is jobs, but when I say that it's, it's just well paid jobs.

Speaker B

So you have a lot of young adults that are looking for jobs, but you know, it's, they get jobs from 8 to 10pm or 8 to 5, but they're not well pay job.

Speaker B

So it's very hard for them to study and work.

Speaker B

Their jobs are from Monday through Sunday.

Speaker B

And so it's just, there's, there's this lack of opportunity to, to progress or to evolve, to have better finance, to be in a better financial situation.

Speaker B

So they get jobs but they're not well paid, you know, and the schedules are, are not, they don't help the young adults to do more things that they wish they could do.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker A

So when you're talking, you know, not well paying, I believe Kathy said the other day that it was like minimum wage was $500 a month.

Speaker C

That's right.

Speaker A

Okay.

Speaker A

And what, what's the average hours behind that?

Speaker A

Like how many hours a week do they normally work?

Speaker A

What would you guess is 40?

Speaker C

A normal 40, 44 hours a week.

Speaker B

It Depends on the job, too.

Speaker C

A week.

Speaker A

So we're talking if you're working an average job, paying minimum wage Monday to Saturday or Sunday, and 44 hours a week, $500.

Speaker C

$500.

Speaker A

And a month.

Speaker C

A month.

Speaker A

A month.

Speaker C

A month.

Speaker C

A month, yes.

Speaker A

And that's affordable, right?

Speaker C

No, no.

Speaker B

People can say, oh, it's always.

Speaker B

It's always like things in Honduras are cheaper or they're, you know, or stuff like that, but it's really not.

Speaker B

It's.

Speaker B

Yeah, it's.

Speaker B

I mean, if you live independently, you know, with that.

Speaker B

With that salary, you live in a one room, you know, food plus food, you probably.

Speaker B

You won't have Internet in your home or cable, you know, to watch TV and stuff like that, or afford things like, you know, little things like Netflix or stuff like that.

Speaker B

So it's.

Speaker B

It's really hard.

Speaker B

It's really hard, especially for the young adults.

Speaker B

So that's one of the things that we see that there is a challenge.

Speaker B

Plus, if you add that some of them can't go to college, so that makes it more of a burden and more difficult to just progress, you know, Also, there's a lot of abandonment by families.

Speaker B

So most.

Speaker B

Most.

Speaker B

Most Hondurans only.

Speaker B

Only live with one of the parents and that most of the time is a mom.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker B

Dad's just, you know, they disappear.

Speaker B

They don't support their children even after.

Speaker C

A divorce or some have left the country.

Speaker B

Yes.

Speaker B

And so.

Speaker B

And so that makes it harder for young adults to really, you know, progress.

Speaker B

And so that's one of the.

Speaker B

I think those are some of the big challenges that we have in our community.

Speaker B

So you see a lot of young adults in the streets, like cleaning.

Speaker B

Cleaning the windshields of cars or selling fruit.

Speaker B

You got a lot of them that they do, you know, like small shows in the street, and then they ask money with the people that are in the traffic lights.

Speaker B

So that's a lot of what you see.

Speaker A

Okay, what about crime?

Speaker A

Is there much crime?

Speaker A

Is it fairly safe?

Speaker C

Not like the big cities.

Speaker C

Yeah, not like the big cities.

Speaker C

No, not like the big cities.

Speaker C

There's crime, you know, but not you.

Speaker C

You don't hear a lot of news like the big cities.

Speaker A

Okay, so not a lot of gang activity.

Speaker C

There are.

Speaker C

There are.

Speaker A

Right, but sure, but it's not like when you go.

Speaker A

It's.

Speaker C

If you were to go to k. If I were to visit, not to go.

Speaker B

But also, I think Kenya can.

Speaker B

Can pitch in a little bit on this as a church.

Speaker B

We're trying to work alongside some ministries to help Young adults to get a job.

Speaker B

And so maybe Kenya, can you like, express the difficulties or the challenges that you've been seeing with young adults trying to find a job for them?

Speaker C

So one of the challenges that we found to connect young adults with employees, get employees for them, number one is they have to choose between do I study or do I work?

Speaker C

Because both cannot happen.

Speaker C

Because in Comayagua, a lot of the businesses don't offer half time jobs, part time jobs.

Speaker C

That's hard for them.

Speaker C

And so some decide to.

Speaker C

They choose to just work and others try to find like scholarships to be able to study.

Speaker C

But that's really hard.

Speaker C

Another challenge is that there aren't a lot of big businesses like that are hiring.

Speaker C

And there are more small, small businesses, but they don't hire a lot of people because they're small.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker C

And those las empresa pequenas solo puede enten.

Speaker C

Solo practica.

Speaker C

Minte solo es el proprietario.

Speaker C

Yuno, domple ado mas.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker C

So normally what you see is the owner with one or two persons in the business and Don says, no, I must opportunity.

Speaker C

There aren't a lot of opportunities of.

Speaker C

For jobs de la preparacion professional.

Speaker C

And then also a lot of them don't go to school, they're not trained.

Speaker C

And a lot of jobs are requiring like experience.

Speaker C

Experience.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker C

And a lot of them don't have those.

Speaker C

So what we're trying to do is train them, get them ready so that they can have more opportunities to find jobs also.

Speaker B

That's why community outreach is a big thing that as a church we strive to do.

Speaker B

I think Carla can speak out in like the communities that we're working on.

Speaker B

Specifically Benticinco de Octobre.

Speaker B

That is just one of the places that is very.

Speaker B

Even for us Hondurans.

Speaker B

It's very shocking to see that in the 21st century we find a place that has no water, so sewage and no electricity.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker B

So I don't know.

Speaker B

Carla, can you speak on that?

Speaker C

Okay, so the community of Benticinco de Octobre is a community with very, very, very, very low income.

Speaker C

So it's very poor.

Speaker C

These.

Speaker C

This community does not have water and does not have electricity.

Speaker C

And many houses are made out of pl.

Speaker C

Just.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker C

Wood and pla.

Speaker C

Metal roofing or some plastic.

Speaker C

Plastic, Plastic tarp.

Speaker C

Children of this community, several of them go out with their parents or some alone since they're five years old, to go and pick up bottles and recycled cans to bring back and their families can bring.

Speaker C

Take to the recycling place.

Speaker C

And that way they can have money for the family.

Speaker C

And many times when you see these kids, you think they should be playing, going to school, but they don't have the money to go and do these things.

Speaker C

And so they have to do it to bring food to the.

Speaker C

So thankfully, the Lord led us to the community of Veinticinco de Octudre.

Speaker C

This is a classroom that has so led us to the school.

Speaker C

And the school has one classroom and with 50 students and the classroom where there's just one teacher from kindergarten through sixth grade.

Speaker C

And a lot of the children here are in a malnutrition state.

Speaker C

And as a church, we would love to be able to bring food to them in a more continuous way.

Speaker C

But we do, you know, we do what we can as a church and where the Lord allows us to do.

Speaker C

We're also trying to minister to the moms of the children.

Speaker C

And so we hope that each child in this school will have a greater vision where they can believe that they can get out of that situation, even though it might be difficult.

Speaker C

But in order to change that mentality, we know who needs to come into their hearts and change that.

Speaker C

That's Jesus Christ.

Speaker C

And that is what changes everything.

Speaker A

Amen.

Speaker A

Amen.

Speaker A

So I mean, we've been talking a little bit about like, how you guys are living out your ministry and ministry focus, but expand on that a little bit.

Speaker A

Like what do you.

Speaker A

What are there other things besides, I mean, your working towards that?

Speaker A

The October 25, right.

Speaker A

What are some other things that you guys are specifically doing?

Speaker A

You talked about being a bilingual church for some of the missionaries and English speaking people.

Speaker A

It feels like anybody listening more than likely knows what it's like in an American, you know, English speaking church to be ministered to.

Speaker A

So I would think that in a Spanish speaking country, the Spanish portion is similar.

Speaker A

You know what I mean?

Speaker A

Like when you're Spanish speaking, you go to a church that speaks Spanish, we could relate to what we receive in there.

Speaker A

Right, but when you have a bilingual church and you guys aren't bilingual, as in like two services, one English, one Spanish, it's bilingual the whole way through.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker A

So what is it?

Speaker A

What?

Speaker A

Talk into that a little bit more.

Speaker A

Like, how are you guys seeing people's lives changed in the midst of being able to be that support for them?

Speaker C

Right?

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker C

Well, I think that it's a great opportunity that we have to minister to missionaries, local missionaries as well.

Speaker C

When we began the church, we, we felt that the Lord was leading us to that, but we, we wanted to continue to pray about that.

Speaker C

And the way that we knew about some missionaries was because Peter and I were both teachers at a bilingual school.

Speaker C

These teachers, some of them were Honduran and some of them were North American that were there to.

Speaker C

To serve in the church, in the school.

Speaker C

And Peter would bring devotionals for the teachers, devotionals for the high school students and for the elementary school.

Speaker C

And we just saw how people wanted to hear the Word, like the teachers, the administrative, you know, employees of the school, everyone, when it was time to read the Word and listen to the Word, everyone wanted to come and hear the words.

Speaker C

So later on, when we were done with school, we decided that it was time to serve the Lord full time, and we began to serve God.

Speaker C

And when we were sent to Kameyawa, some of these teachers that were now missionaries in the city heard that we were starting a church in Kameyawa.

Speaker C

So a couple said, well, we'd like to go to church, and if it's okay with you guys, we'd love to.

Speaker C

We'd love to come.

Speaker C

And we said, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker C

It's just.

Speaker C

We're only doing Spanish, but if you like to come, that's great.

Speaker C

So they came three times.

Speaker C

And after that third time, I'm like, peter, we can't have them come and not understand what we're saying.

Speaker C

We need to translate the message.

Speaker C

And I could translate the message and I could add the English chorus to the song.

Speaker C

So the next service, when they.

Speaker C

They came, I stood next to Peter and I started to translate the message for the missionaries that were there.

Speaker C

And then they brought somebody else, and then the other missionary brought somebody else.

Speaker C

And like that.

Speaker C

That's how we have now a community of missionaries.

Speaker C

And now I like that Peter says foreigners, because we don't always have only missionaries.

Speaker C

We have some people that are in Komayawa, maybe because they're married to somebody working in the military base or.

Speaker A

That's what I was going to ask.

Speaker A

There's a military base there.

Speaker A

So, like, do you get military personnel that come?

Speaker C

Yeah, yeah, we have some.

Speaker C

Some that.

Speaker C

That are members, have been members of our church.

Speaker C

So.

Speaker C

So we've just seen how God allowed us to hear that and respond to that.

Speaker C

Right.

Speaker C

And.

Speaker C

And I think that.

Speaker C

That it's beautiful because there's a wide community of missionaries that are giving, giving, giving, giving, serving, serving, serving.

Speaker C

And when they come to church, they can hear the message in their language, they can worship in their language, and they're not thinking about, what else do I have to give.

Speaker C

Right.

Speaker C

They are part of a community of Faith.

Speaker C

And they serve as a community of faith.

Speaker C

But they're not required as missionaries.

Speaker C

You need to.

Speaker C

Right.

Speaker C

They're just members of our church, part of our church and.

Speaker C

But we love being a part of their lives.

Speaker C

If there's a volleyball game, we want to be there.

Speaker C

If there's a graduation, we want to be there.

Speaker C

If there's a birthday party, we of course want to be there.

Speaker C

And if there's coffee.

Speaker C

Definitely.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker A

I think we're doing a central theme.

Speaker A

Coffee is the most important thing other than Jesus in your guys lives.

Speaker C

But also seeing missionaries and Hondurans and foreigners come together every Sunday to worship God, to listen to the word.

Speaker C

As Peter says, it's a glimpse of what we'll see in heaven.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker C

All of us worshiping together and being equal before God.

Speaker C

That's beautiful too.

Speaker C

So yeah, it's great to see that.

Speaker C

And Peter says it's like having twins.

Speaker C

What you do to one, you do to the other.

Speaker D

It's his phrase.

Speaker C

But yeah, we have discipleship classes in Spanish and in English.

Speaker C

Everything is translated from welcome to church this morning to see you guys next week.

Speaker C

Like everything is translated.

Speaker C

And the worship service is so cool.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker A

Because like you guys put the English and the Spanish words up on the slide at the same time.

Speaker A

And just hearing everybody at the same time.

Speaker C

Right.

Speaker A

It is awesome.

Speaker A

If you've never experienced it.

Speaker A

I can't even describe what worshiping with multiple languages at the same time is like.

Speaker A

You just gotta experience it sometimes.

Speaker A

I do have to apologize.

Speaker A

I made a faux pas.

Speaker A

I did say here in America earlier and I know that, that but, but that I find it important.

Speaker A

Like that's something that us, those of us from the United States take for granted.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker A

Like we tend to see us as Americans and the whole rest of everybody else on this side of the world as from their country.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker A

From wherever they're from.

Speaker A

And so I think that's an important thing for me to point out because it's a culture shock.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker A

Like we're talking about very different cultures, but the same Jesus in the midst of these two cultures.

Speaker C

All of the Americas.

Speaker A

We're all in the Americas.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker A

So I do have to say sorry about that.

Speaker A

I'm working on it.

Speaker A

I'm a work in progress.

Speaker A

But yeah.

Speaker A

So that's awesome.

Speaker A

It really is a neat thing.

Speaker A

Are there any other bilingual churches down there?

Speaker C

Nope, we're the only bilingual church in Komayawa.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

For now.

Speaker C

So happy we'll ask.

Speaker C

We're blessed.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker C

And truly it is because the Lord led us to do this.

Speaker C

And I just want to share a short, Short.

Speaker C

A short story about why we decided that this was something we needed to do.

Speaker C

There was a team, a missionary family that was down there that were serving God.

Speaker C

They were.

Speaker C

I won't mention names or anything, but they were serving the Lord.

Speaker C

They had been there for several years, and we knew about them because they would post things about what they were doing and, you know, pictures and everything.

Speaker C

And all of a sudden we saw a post that was like, we're leaving Honduras.

Speaker C

We're leaving tomorrow.

Speaker C

And, you know, this was shocking for a lot of people.

Speaker C

Like, why?

Speaker C

What?

Speaker C

You know, the missionaries are very united, and.

Speaker C

And so what happened?

Speaker C

Is there anything we could do?

Speaker C

And I knew this person, so I said, can we go out for breakfast so we can talk?

Speaker C

And we went out.

Speaker C

And she shared, well, we have to leave Honduras because we didn't find a place where we could hear the word of God.

Speaker C

The only church that we could go to was two hours away from where we are so that we could hear it in our own language.

Speaker C

This was before we started the bilingual services as well.

Speaker C

The reason why she was leaving is because, unfortunately, there was an affair going on, and so she needed to leave.

Speaker C

And when I heard that, I was like, this can't be happening.

Speaker C

Missionaries coming to our country, serving the Lord, leaving their families behind and their homes and just their lives completely, and coming here and not finding a place where they could come and worship and listen to the Word was like, I was hearing her.

Speaker C

And at the same time, I was visual.

Speaker C

I was seeing, like, in.

Speaker C

In the future, we're going to have a bilingual church.

Speaker C

We need to have a bilingual church because it's it.

Speaker C

We need to do it.

Speaker C

So, yeah, they, you know, praise God.

Speaker C

She's great.

Speaker C

She's bringing teams back to Honduras, and we're doing a lot of things, but it's just great how God is.

Speaker A

I think that brings up an important point.

Speaker A

And not that it was an intentional thing in her situation, but the whole scripture tells us not to forsake the fellowship of believers.

Speaker A

And that's a great example of unintentionally.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker A

It's not like you were going out of your way to not go to church or get into the Word with other people and be fed, but it shows that it's a slow breakdown over time when you're not able to make.

Speaker A

Be a part of something that other people are pouring into you, especially when you're in ministry, because ministry is so much of giving, giving everything that you've got everything that's being poured into you out.

Speaker A

So it's a good example of why we don't want to intentionally or unintentionally miss out on.

Speaker B

Things don't just happen overnight.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker B

You know, it happens little by little.

Speaker A

Yes.

Speaker B

So some things that we think that we're strong.

Speaker B

Scripture reminds us, you know, if you think you're.

Speaker B

You're firm, you know, you gotta take care of yourself and get more stronger, you know, and so having a high view of Jesus but a low view of church is dangerous.

Speaker B

And especially when you're in ministry, you know, you do things for the Lord, but you got to remember that you got to do things.

Speaker B

You got to strengthen your relationship with Him.

Speaker B

So it's not just outwardly, but inwardly.

Speaker B

And you're human too.

Speaker B

You know, we all need still to depend on the Lord.

Speaker B

We all need to get into Scripture.

Speaker B

We all need to have those times with the Lord.

Speaker B

So, yeah, so it is important whether you're a missionary, a minister, you know, or just somebody who's serving in church, you know, we can.

Speaker B

It's good to do things for the Lord, and we're all for that, you know, but it's also.

Speaker B

We got to remember to do things with the Lord.

Speaker A

Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker A

Before we shift to LST Love Serve Testify foundation, is there anything else that you guys want to mention or bring up?

Speaker C

I think we're good.

Speaker A

Okay.

Speaker A

I think we're good.

Speaker A

I think we've covered most of the things, even though we haven't asked the questions the same way that we had written.

Speaker A

But I think that it's been a great overview so far.

Speaker A

So why was Love Serve Testify created?

Speaker A

What's up with that Love Serve Testify Foundation?

Speaker A

Let me make sure and put that in there, because if you don't put that in there on the website, you won't find it.

Speaker C

Right.

Speaker C

You don't find it.

Speaker A

But love servetestifyfoundation.org is the website, but why was it created so?

Speaker D

It was created out of a shared mission and vision with Lanaje Escojito.

Speaker D

We have been doing ministry together, serving in the community for over 14 years now.

Speaker D

And that.

Speaker D

That need for more support in the United States, for more awareness of what is happening there.

Speaker D

And educating out of poverty is really what our vision is, our mission statement.

Speaker C

And.

Speaker D

And that means physical, mental, emotional, spiritual.

Speaker D

All of those things are what goes into it.

Speaker D

And because we've been serving with them for so long, I think it makes it easy.

Speaker D

We've become more family.

Speaker D

And so it's just Another way to support what Lanaije Escojito is, is doing in Honduras and serve alongside them and serve them as a church.

Speaker A

And I mean, our church can say that it's been really cool to see the way that it's developed and it's going to make things a lot easier for your brothers and sisters in the United States to help and serve in multitude of ways.

Speaker A

I mean, not just financially, but like being hooked up with you.

Speaker A

Our church is going to be able to do mission trips down there now and just see what people in other parts of the world, you know, do to worship God, which is cool.

Speaker D

We're not only about the money.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker D

We're about.

Speaker D

About praying for the work that Lanaje Escohito is doing.

Speaker D

The communities like Venti Cinco de Octubre that they are serving in the outreach for homeless or the visionaries or whatever areas they're working in, we're supporting them prayerfully as well as trying to raise funds.

Speaker D

Yes, there's always that.

Speaker D

But also the great way to connect.

Speaker D

If you're interested in going down there on a mission trip, taking a team, I'm more than happy to help with that.

Speaker D

If you go online to love servetestify foundation.org you can see where you can sign up for newsletters monthly and that will let you in on latest mission trips, what we're doing down there.

Speaker A

And I can testify to the fact that it's not going to be spam email.

Speaker A

No, they don't email you all the time.

Speaker A

It's really once a month.

Speaker A

I mean, that's really what it is.

Speaker A

And so it's a great way to get the information but not like, feel overwhelmed.

Speaker A

Like a lot of places where you sign up for newsletters or whatever.

Speaker D

I don't believe in over, you know, filling your inbox with stuff.

Speaker D

I want to get in, get the information that you need and let you get on with your day.

Speaker D

But I will.

Speaker D

I'm not saying I wouldn't email you twice in a month.

Speaker D

I'm just saying we want to get you the important information in order for.

Speaker D

To get the word out for what we're looking to do.

Speaker A

The awareness is great.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker D

You can also go on Facebook.

Speaker D

We're on Facebook, Love Serve Testify foundation and Instagram.

Speaker A

Oh, wow, cool.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker B

So the foundation, you know, Love Serve Testify is.

Speaker B

It's a way to involve people globally who want to help the body of Christ in other parts of the nation, you know, and also churches that don't find a.

Speaker B

That are looking for a place to do, to serve, to serve and to obey the Great Commission.

Speaker B

You know, to go.

Speaker B

So this foundation helps us by providing financial support.

Speaker B

Also it helps build partnership and also it mobilizes resources, you know, so that the ministry can continue to grow, the kingdom can continue to expand.

Speaker B

And it's three pillars are love, serve and testify.

Speaker B

And that's what we're all about, you know, love, because that's where everything starts, right?

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker B

Because we love because God loved us.

Speaker B

And it's served because that's the way we put into practice what love is.

Speaker B

Love is not just a word, not just a feeling, but in the Christian theology is action.

Speaker B

And we testify about what God has done in us.

Speaker B

So we don't just have a great message, a great savior, but there's something great that God has done in our hearts.

Speaker B

And we're all about sharing Jesus and making him known.

Speaker A

Very cool.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker A

All right.

Speaker A

All right.

Speaker A

So what's going on right now?

Speaker A

What are you guys doing right now?

Speaker A

What are some of the big push, what's the current initiatives and what's like the five year vision of Lanaje Eskihito and Love Serve Testifies?

Speaker C

Definitely.

Speaker B

Well, there is.

Speaker B

They might not be in water, but one of them is building a permanent space for the ministry of Lina Jes Cojido.

Speaker B

You know, as we are kind of like the epicenter of where we go out to the community and do outreach programs and impact our community in different ways.

Speaker B

One of the things is that right now we're fundraising to buy a land so we can have a permanent place where we can build a worship center, but also a pastoral and training facility.

Speaker B

And so that's one of them also we are working on a community right now called Benticinco de Octobre.

Speaker B

And the big vision is to develop that community one through education.

Speaker B

It's one of the big ones because there's only one school, 50 children, and all of them with, I mean, it's less than, you know, a decent income.

Speaker B

And so this year, a church called Northland Hills Baptist Church, they gave for school material for every one of them.

Speaker B

Also we are what we build a garden so that the school can have, you know, sow and harvest vegetables.

Speaker B

We also have a well, a well that we did for the community, for the whole community.

Speaker B

And so that's our second thing that we're doing.

Speaker C

We have a playground.

Speaker B

Developing that.

Speaker B

They have a playground.

Speaker B

That's the only playground in that whole community.

Speaker B

And so we're developing that as for right now.

Speaker B

But we'll see where God, where God takes us from there.

Speaker A

It's kind of crazy because I'm.

Speaker A

I can't wait to see what it's like when God builds this community, right?

Speaker A

Like when, when he.

Speaker A

He's got it to where he wants it, right?

Speaker A

Because it's.

Speaker A

It's not often that you get to see an entire community, like, built up by God, right.

Speaker A

By his.

Speaker A

His workers, but just his right.

Speaker A

I mean, everything that's being poured into this community is.

Speaker A

Is for his glory, right?

Speaker A

And so, I mean, everything from, I mean, the water to the food to the children to the.

Speaker A

To being able to speak into the parents and getting to see, like, the video the other night of some of that, like, it's.

Speaker A

I am excited to see, you know, when that the poverty level is raised in that community, like, how that community is going to worship him all the more.

Speaker A

You know, be really cool to see them develop a church plot and a church land and, you know, praise God in their community because he's the one who built it, right?

Speaker A

Like, that's.

Speaker A

That's gonna be cool.

Speaker C

I love that we get a chance to minister to this community and also get a chance to minister to family, families in the city.

Speaker C

I love that.

Speaker C

I love that we could see three parts of what God is doing.

Speaker C

Missionary families, hundred families, and Ventico de Octura, this community that we're bringing the.

Speaker C

The gospel to.

Speaker C

And so this just allows me to see how wide we're going, you know, how.

Speaker C

How we're.

Speaker C

We're extending because as we minister to the families, we're.

Speaker C

We're reaching parts of Komayawa that maybe we couldn't reach.

Speaker C

As we minister to the missionaries and they go out right in the week to minister to the other communities that they're serving in, we're reaching that community, those communities as well, and then coming to this community, we don't know what God's gonna do.

Speaker C

Right.

Speaker C

But we know that he's already doing something and he's doing it.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker B

So.

Speaker B

So this is.

Speaker B

I mean, it's expanding and.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker B

Oh, you were saying something in April.

Speaker C

No, that's okay.

Speaker C

It's okay.

Speaker D

I just wanted to say in building the garden, one of the really amazing things that I'm seeing that I know God is going to use to change this community.

Speaker D

We watched a video of some of the children had planted seeds.

Speaker D

There was beets and carrots in particular.

Speaker D

And they not only told us what they were, but what they were good for for our bodies, what their benefits are.

Speaker D

And to me, that is so cool, because that's going to.

Speaker A

I mean, because kids in the United States can't do that.

Speaker D

They don't want to.

Speaker A

Eagle.

Speaker B

That goes beyond just.

Speaker B

That's that planting a seed, you know, let's eat from here.

Speaker A

It's understanding the seed.

Speaker A

Right?

Speaker D

That's a deep thing.

Speaker D

Aren't gonna want to eat beets or carrots.

Speaker C

They're holding it up so proud.

Speaker D

Oh, and the squash, yes, they were holding it up proud, but now that they know, hey, this is.

Speaker D

Beets are good for your blood.

Speaker D

Beets are good for your heart.

Speaker C

Carrots are good for your eyes.

Speaker D

Carrots are good for your eyes.

Speaker D

They're going to want maybe more education and want to eat that and want to make sure that their bodies are healthy, especially in a community where they don't have much food, where they don't.

Speaker D

So they're growing it themselves.

Speaker D

They're going to take pride in that.

Speaker D

They understand where that seed came from, how it's grown and now what it does for our bodies.

Speaker D

And, you know, that's God's plan.

Speaker D

Plan is for us to, you know, to grow in him from the smallest seed all the way to harvest.

Speaker D

Right?

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker D

So.

Speaker C

And if you think about it, too, there's children learning all of this, and that's how we're going to change our community.

Speaker C

If we can minister to the children, if we can minister to their hearts and bring the Word and disciple them and make them see something different that maybe their parents didn't have a chance to see.

Speaker C

But.

Speaker C

But we can do it as well, minister to the parents.

Speaker C

But if we could think about the next generation that's going to grow up in this community with a different mindset.

Speaker C

Because sometimes we want to do things now, right?

Speaker C

We want to fix things now.

Speaker C

We want a community change now.

Speaker C

And it won't happen.

Speaker C

It won't be like that.

Speaker C

But if we think maybe 10 years, maybe 15, maybe 20, you know, but at this point, same time, think about the now when you're ministering to the kids and you're loving on them and you're sharing God's word, what's.

Speaker C

What's changing now in their hearts.

Speaker C

And the.

Speaker C

And the.

Speaker C

The effect, the fruit of that, right?

Speaker C

So that's just cool to see.

Speaker D

We all have that story.

Speaker D

We all have a story of how someone from a church, a Christian person, did something for us, showed us love, showed us protection, showed us kindness, gave us food, whatever those things are.

Speaker D

And so think about what seeds are being planted in them now as they grow because of that person or that church or that group that, that group of missionaries.

Speaker D

But it all goes back to Lanaje Escojito.

Speaker D

Serving the Lord in a community, answering the call that they were given from God.

Speaker A

So one of the, one of the big things that I think you guys do that's phenomenal is the way you go about serving those who are in poverty, right?

Speaker A

It's the wrong way to do it is to throw money at it.

Speaker A

And that's not saying don't donate money to the organizations and the missions and all that stuff.

Speaker A

That is saying if the missionaries were to just throw money at it and develop it and just do it all for them, the, the outcome would not be God's outcome.

Speaker A

Right?

Speaker A

Like the outcome would be man's outcome and everything that man does is folly.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker A

So speak a little bit to like the curriculum a little bit, you know, like what the book is called.

Speaker A

I can't remember now.

Speaker C

When Helping Hurts.

Speaker A

When Helping Hurts.

Speaker A

Thank you.

Speaker A

You guys have your missionaries read that and realize that the perspective is not.

Speaker A

It's truly a teach a man to fish perspective, like reach their hearts and the rest of it will be made known.

Speaker D

Well, it's all about poverty, right?

Speaker D

And poverty is not just lack of material things.

Speaker D

Poverty is brokenness with yourself, with God and with others, as well as that materialistic point of view.

Speaker D

And so you have to minister to all those areas.

Speaker D

But just throwing money at someone or bringing in and doing for them, not coming alongside and teaching them, all that does is make them dependent upon you.

Speaker A

Well, because also the problem may look like they don't have the material, but that doesn't mean that's actually the problem.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker A

And so the solution can't be that.

Speaker A

Right?

Speaker B

So this book is a really key changer.

Speaker B

You know, there's a lot of books, but this is just one of them.

Speaker B

Because this book, what it does, as you're reading it first, it helps because we can have harmful assumptions.

Speaker B

So, you know, we go.

Speaker B

People go as missionaries to very impoverished countries and they have good intentions, but unknowingly they adopt a relief mindset, you know, just like a handout, like, I'm just going to give $100 to this poor child right here or just shoes or you know, and so rather than a development mindset, you, you know, empowering people long term.

Speaker B

So the book helps our misconceptions or our assumptions or a misguided aid, you know, can create dependency.

Speaker B

That's what it's done long term.

Speaker B

That's what we see our countries like, you know, they depend on what they're Going to give me.

Speaker B

You know, they also.

Speaker B

But also they rob their dignity.

Speaker B

One of the things that we see continually is men don't show up.

Speaker B

It's only women, it's only children, but men don't show up because we're robbing their dignity.

Speaker B

You know, they feel I can't support my family.

Speaker B

I can't even give them what they need, you know, and moms, moms lose.

Speaker B

You know, they do anything for their kids.

Speaker B

But when it comes to men, that's why we don't have many men in church sometimes.

Speaker B

And just remember the context I'm talking about.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker B

Because it hurts both the giver and the receiver.

Speaker A

What's really great is we've been.

Speaker A

We've been reading that as our mission team's coming down or is getting ready to come down.

Speaker A

And it's been a resounding.

Speaker A

That's here too.

Speaker A

Like, that's not just poverty in other countries.

Speaker A

It's not just poverty in, in whatever super poor places.

Speaker A

It's poverty here in the United States too.

Speaker A

So I want to encourage anybody who's interested in helping anybody ever to really take a look at the book and read through it, because it'll 100% help you here as much as anywhere else that you might go.

Speaker A

We had some people just echo that feeling.

Speaker A

Even the dignity thing, like when somebody else gives me, gives my kids something that I can't provide for them, one.

Speaker B

Thing is to give a little gift somewhere, it's like, oh, thank you for giving that.

Speaker B

But another thing is when, you know, you're struggling as a man and you're not providing it, and this looks like a handout.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker B

You know, not as a gift like the giver.

Speaker B

Sometimes it's like it's a gift, it's a blessing, but we're not seeing the other side.

Speaker D

Right.

Speaker B

You know, they don't see it like just a gift, but it's more of a handout.

Speaker B

Like, here you go, you know, you're poor people and here you go.

Speaker A

And a lot of times it's based on our perception too, like, of what they might need and it might not.

Speaker B

It's not a bad intention, absolutely.

Speaker B

But long term, it hurts.

Speaker B

So we gotta be wise.

Speaker D

What father wants to sit there and watch somebody from another country, for example, come in and give their child or their wife something that is a basic need, and they can't provide that.

Speaker D

Nobody, not even in the United States, we don't want that.

Speaker D

Honduras doesn't want that.

Speaker D

Any country, I mean, anywhere.

Speaker D

We're talking about any Father so there.

Speaker B

Are ways because they do need it, right?

Speaker A

They do need it, absolutely.

Speaker B

But there are ways to do it.

Speaker B

And this book, When Helping Hurts, I think it's a must read because it provides practical strategies and how to give and how to when to give or even how to foster that sustainability, you know, and so there are ways that are not hurtful, and sometimes it's hard because, you know, some people are just can't stop and like, I want to help and they help, but not maybe the best way, you know, and let me, let us just be humble and know that there are better ways.

Speaker B

And let us be humble to know that, yes, we've done work, but we've done it sometimes the wrong way.

Speaker B

And the worst thing that we could do is continue to think we're doing good when we're doing harm.

Speaker D

And that's one of the reasons Love Serve Testify foundation came about, was to help serve on the state side so that we can change that thought process, that attitude, that helping, helping, but yet it's harming.

Speaker D

And so Peter and Kathy and Kenya, Carla and Lanaije Escohito, they are on the ground.

Speaker D

They are there, they see, they know exactly what is needed and how to provide it.

Speaker D

And so my, I feel like my biggest responsibility is to educate people here.

Speaker D

And then also, you know, yes, we can use the donations, but the pastors, they know what needs to be done.

Speaker D

So we give that money, goes to them to then use as they see fit, as they know they can provide without hurting the community and developing that dependency.

Speaker B

LST and Lina Escojilo have worked very well.

Speaker B

And just the way April and the rest of the team of the churches that come through them have worked very well.

Speaker B

Because one of the things that this book teaches is sometimes we have to promote partnership and not paternalism.

Speaker B

So sometimes missionaries are tempted to serve like saviors and not servants.

Speaker B

Right.

Speaker B

And so this book, it's very healthy because it teaches that to build something that in partnership, it requires listening to the community, partnering with local leaders, and recognizing the assets already present.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker A

I think that another important thing, too, even in our context, right, in the United States context, is like looking at what's already being effective.

Speaker A

Right?

Speaker A

Like if you're, if you're a church, especially if you're, if you're another church out there listening, and you see, the thought comes, okay, well, you know, I think we need food is a food insecurity is a thing like we want to start a food pantry.

Speaker A

I see that so much.

Speaker A

But look to see if that's already being done.

Speaker A

And if it's already being done, especially if it's being done well, see how you can partner with them if that's something that you're feeling called to do.

Speaker D

Absolutely.

Speaker A

Because in Lehigh, right.

Speaker A

What Lehi needs is not another food pantry.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker A

A lot of churches.

Speaker A

And I'm gonna call out churches now.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker A

Because that's what I do on my podcast is I call a lot of people out.

Speaker A

And one of the things that churches like to do is do things that make them feel good.

Speaker A

Right, Right.

Speaker A

And they like to do things that they can pat themselves on the back for.

Speaker C

Oh, there's five food pantries.

Speaker C

But ours is gonna be the best.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker A

And nobody wants to communicate.

Speaker A

Nobody wants to.

Speaker A

And so, like, if you're at a church or you have a calling that you're feeling like the Lord is placing on your heart, look at the community you're being called to into serving and see what's there, see what's effective, and then figure out how you can build them up.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker A

And how you can help come alongside them.

Speaker C

It's unity.

Speaker A

And it's never, never, never what I did or what our church did, but always what the Lord has done.

Speaker C

Amen.

Speaker B

I think Tanya wants to.

Speaker C

Try and understand everything you guys were saying.

Speaker C

One of the things that I love that we do at Hope in the City, which is our outreach program ministry that we do very intentionally when we.

Speaker D

Serve.

Speaker C

Integral de la Comonia, that our mission is to support everyone in the community.

Speaker C

This holistic support includes spiritually, emotionally, physical.

Speaker C

And when we combine all of these, we realize that all of them are very important for all of them.

Speaker C

We can't just bring the gospel.

Speaker C

The Bible tells us.

Speaker C

The Bible reminds us that you can't just say, oh, yeah, I'll pray for you, and not provide.

Speaker C

Right.

Speaker C

What they need if they're hungry.

Speaker C

So this reminds me that this is something about holistic support.

Speaker C

So no matter who we are supporting or helping, we can't just think, oh, I'm going to bring this food, and then that's it, or I'm going to just pray, and then that's it.

Speaker C

We must think, what is all that God wants to do with this person?

Speaker C

Not just one thing, not just one area, but everything that God wants me to do for this person.

Speaker C

And so when we touch all the areas, it might be a little painful to see the choice, but we're also going to feel love as we do what the Lord has called us to do and to be there for the good and the bad moments of their lives.

Speaker C

So it's about that.

Speaker A

Awesome.

Speaker A

Okay, so as we.

Speaker A

As we come to a close, as we start winding down, because we're at an hour and 24 minutes, which it's easy to do.

Speaker D

I am sorry.

Speaker D

I just had a point I wanted to make.

Speaker D

I was thinking back on.

Speaker D

In the beginning, you asked about the culture.

Speaker D

Tell me about the culture of Honduras.

Speaker D

And one of the things that was hard for me to learn and yet such a blessing when I finally learned it.

Speaker D

Kurt, my husband, says, on a regular basis, we don't go to Honduras to North Americanize them.

Speaker D

We go to serve them and come alongside them.

Speaker D

So we need to remember in missions and when helping hurts.

Speaker D

That book really demonstrates we're not trying to change their culture.

Speaker D

We're trying to change the poverty, what that looks like as a whole.

Speaker D

So we're not trying to change the culture and make everything like we do in North America.

Speaker D

That's not our goal.

Speaker D

It should not be our goal.

Speaker A

I'll tell you what, I hope it never happens, but because, like, I love the culture in Honduras and I love to be able to go and visit and be a participant in the things that are there.

Speaker D

In all things Honduras.

Speaker A

In all things Honduras.

Speaker A

Coffee included.

Speaker A

Although, just for those of you who ever go to Honduras and have coffee, if you like things like frappuccinos, they come with two shots of espresso half the time already.

Speaker A

So don't order your three.

Speaker A

Three extra shots of espresso because that's five shots of espresso.

Speaker A

Just.

Speaker A

Just heads up.

Speaker A

They already put it in their coffee.

Speaker D

So that sounds like you're speaking from it.

Speaker A

I'm speaking from.

Speaker A

Yes, it was delicious, don't get me wrong, but it was almost harmful deletion.

Speaker C

So you were up all night?

Speaker A

Yeah, it was.

Speaker A

It was definitely bounce off the wall kind of energy.

Speaker A

All right, so just a real quick how we can get involved, how people who are interested can get involved.

Speaker A

Very brief.

Speaker A

What is it?

Speaker A

What can people do if they want to be involved in your ministries?

Speaker C

Sure.

Speaker D

Go to loveservetestify.foundation.org, loveservetestifyfoundation.org and you can read all about, see what's happening, and you can make donations.

Speaker D

There we are, a 501c3 tax deductible.

Speaker D

So that's another bonus to that.

Speaker D

If you want to partner alongside, you can ask questions to me.

Speaker D

If I can't answer them, I'll get in touch with Peter and Kathy and see what I can find out.

Speaker B

Or you can go to their church?

Speaker C

Yes.

Speaker C

Yeah, you can come.

Speaker C

Oh, yeah, come.

Speaker C

You can.

Speaker C

You can visit us on Facebook.

Speaker C

We have our Facebook page.

Speaker C

This might sound a little confusing because it's in Spanish, but it's Ministerio Linaje Escojido Comaya.

Speaker A

And I'll make sure and have these things all listed and links in the.

Speaker A

In the bios and stuff like that.

Speaker A

Or not the bios.

Speaker A

Links in the description.

Speaker A

Bios.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker C

On the social media, if you're listening and you are maybe a mission director or somehow involved in missions in your church and you're trying to find a place where you can serve and with a church that is preaching the gospel and is focused in that to make more disciples for Christ in their nation.

Speaker C

We'd love to have you with us in Honduras.

Speaker C

So you could also go ahead and write that down in a message in our loveserve Testify foundation page.

Speaker A

I want to mention something about that for those who are either the missions directors or elders of the church, and they're looking for missions trips and stuff that they can take.

Speaker A

And I know that this should never be the driving factor, but if you want somewhere that is fairly affordable.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker A

It's not a long ways away in the grand scheme of things.

Speaker A

It's a fairly short amount of flight, of course, unless you're in Germany, which I know a couple of you are that listen and whatnot.

Speaker A

So.

Speaker A

But if you want something like that, and you know, you want.

Speaker A

I always struggle with paying an organization, and that's just my mentality, you know, to, you know, this grand amount of money to take us somewhere.

Speaker A

Like hooking up with these ministries here has really been cool because most of the money is going straight into the ministry.

Speaker A

And that cuts out the scary middleman a lot of times that we have, at least as United States people, North American mindset of like, well, okay, this person's just taking all the money for their profit or whatever for their paycheck.

Speaker A

That's a lot of how I know our homeless industry works inside the United States.

Speaker A

This is great because I get to experience it firsthand.

Speaker A

And I'm telling you guys, it's awesome to get to see the funds and the help.

Speaker A

And all of that stuff just gets fundamental, funneled right into the people and the things that God is doing through the church there.

Speaker D

We'll also come alongside you and help train you, help provide materials that we use to train teams so that it is a great experience for you because it is about the experience as well.

Speaker C

And you can fly to their church.

Speaker D

Visit the teams help train teams.

Speaker D

Whatever is needed, we're here to help you with that so that it's a great opportunity for everyone and we don't hurt when we're trying to help.

Speaker A

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker A

It's very good ways to support.

Speaker A

Besides just getting involved.

Speaker A

Like, what are some other ways, like, monetarily, obviously, if you want to donate, that will help greatly.

Speaker A

They're looking to buy land and build property and build building for their church, but also the.

Speaker C

Pastoral and ministry center.

Speaker A

Thank you.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker A

So training up the other ministers in the country, I mean, whoever finds them and wants to come and be built up.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker A

Like, it's not just Comayagua, but anywhere in the country that wants to do that.

Speaker A

And we didn't talk a lot about that.

Speaker A

You know, time limited, but that's a huge thing.

Speaker A

I mean, that's a big thing.

Speaker A

And so they're raising funds to be able to make that dream a reality, that vision, a reality, that calling a reality.

Speaker A

And like I say on Sunday morning, sometimes God's gonna do it with or without you.

Speaker A

But, man, the blessings of getting to help and be used by God is so awesome.

Speaker A

So definitely funds towards that.

Speaker A

And anything besides prayer.

Speaker A

Anything else besides prayer, because I want to hit that next.

Speaker A

But any other support.

Speaker A

Okay, so prayer is big.

Speaker A

Obviously.

Speaker A

Prayers are number one.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker A

Prayer is the first thing that we do, not the last thing that we do.

Speaker A

Because if you're prayed up, you won't react to things.

Speaker A

You act right.

Speaker A

Like there's.

Speaker A

You're ready for it.

Speaker A

God has made you ready in that.

Speaker A

And so it's a really important thing to.

Speaker A

I know everyone in here is life.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker A

But to our ministry as well, and our church.

Speaker A

So I just want to go around and I want to ask each person for one thing that we can be praying us, the listeners, can be praying for you specifically for.

Speaker A

All right.

Speaker A

Because we've heard all the things that we can be praying for, the ministries for, but you specifically for.

Speaker A

And I want to start over here.

Speaker A

And we'll end with Peter, but on the spot.

Speaker C

Well, my first request would be to pray that we would raise all the funds to build our church.

Speaker C

Okay.

Speaker C

Well, the first is to hear God's voice and everything that God wants us to do with Linages, but also pray for my mom's health, that God would take control over her health.

Speaker D

I think mine is that I would draw into the Lord more and be faithful and glorify him in all that I do.

Speaker D

Not just the ministry, the foundation, but in every aspect of my life.

Speaker C

To continue to serve the Lord faithfully and to focus in my marriage as well.

Speaker C

Not leave marriage as a second thing, but to be the first thing and my calling as a mom as well.

Speaker C

I want to be a good mom and I want to be a good wife.

Speaker C

I want to not in the worldly standard, but the godly standards.

Speaker C

So that would be my prayer request.

Speaker C

And of course to see Linajes Cojido Church, the dream made come true.

Speaker C

Of course.

Speaker C

Touch it, see it, smell it, everything.

Speaker A

Not taste it.

Speaker C

Not taste.

Speaker A

I don't know.

Speaker A

Coffee.

Speaker C

Well, we could taste the coffee that the Lord is good.

Speaker B

Made to.

Speaker B

To keep.

Speaker B

To keep growing.

Speaker B

To be able to stand as a godly man till the end.

Speaker A

Amen.

Speaker A

All right, guys, so don't forget, love servetestifyfoundation.org ministerial.

Speaker C

Yes, very good.

Speaker A

On on Facebook, Instagram as well.

Speaker A

Instagram as well.

Speaker A

And Love Serve Testify foundation is on both of those as well.

Speaker A

We here at the Truth Response are also on both of those things.

Speaker A

So check us out too.

Speaker A

But as always, thanks for joining us and God bless.

Speaker A

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Speaker A

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Speaker A

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Speaker A

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Speaker B

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Speaker A

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