Maren, welcome to the QVC podcast. I am so

excited for this conversation. Me as well. Thank you so much for

having me. All right, so as we were just talking

about our. You know, the audience here is very in tune with

frequency healing. We sound healing, light healing,

and I would imagine, from your perspective,

the. Our own voice would be the starting point

for all of that. So I would love to hear your perspective

on the human voice from. From the Quantum world.

You're 100% right. That's in my world. This is the. We

go to tuning forks. We go to singing bowls. We go to. To gongs, and

they all are incredible tools. So nobody is going to

diminish how important sound healing from outside is.

But we have a primary tool that we've had since the moment we were born

that was designed for this purpose. So

we do have the ability within our own voice to heal our body, to

manifest our life, to create the world. We're actually creating

the world by our resonant frequency and how it taps

into the entire unified field. And our voice moves

through our entire body to do that. So knowing our

voice primarily, I think all humans will begin to thrive.

Wow. I have. I have chills. Could you. Could

you unpack that a little more? So it

starts in the moment that you're born? The very first thing we do is

cry. Typically, there are babies that don't, and they have their

reasons for that. But for most of us, the first instinct of a human

is. Is to inhale spirit inspiration or respiration.

Right. Respiriting the body. Our first act as a

human, we have to pull our spirit in

and wake up the intelligence of this form. And we do that through a big

scream. And what that does is it

creates resonance through the entire body. If you've ever held a baby

crying, you know that we use every muscle of the body when

we're very, very young. And that voice, which is the original

voice, aligns our spirit with our form and

wakes up our whole intelligence from

there. As we get older, our voice becomes manipulated and minimized,

and we change the way we use all of those muscles. And we only

send sound through very specific channels. But that original

voice of us opening our body, if we can return

to that, if we could actually get back to using our full voice, that way,

we're sending a resonance signal through different

layers of frequency that we have. And

so I guess I'm jumping here, but the. The chakra system,

which. I'm using the word chakra because that's one lineage's

way of of talking about it, but really it's your

nervous system and it's different groups of nerve endings that run up and down the

body which create electromagnetic fields off of our form.

Our voice in its totality will awaken and use all of

those fields. So we're sending out a full

antenna spectrum of sound, resonance and frequency into

the quantum, which then will mirror what

we're sending out so that we live it in reality.

These are ancient teachings back in the Rig

Veda. They speak of the human voices unmanifest form

and how our voice will create the imprint.

And then from the 5D we'd say, or the scalar

field, the matching resonances will then create

physical reality. Yeah.

Wow. So what's coming to me is we've really,

a lot of us have kind of, I think internalized the idea that

our thoughts have a

huge consequence in our experienced reality.

And what I'm hearing you saying is that it's not just

the thought, it's also the, I don't know what

word to use tone quality of how we

articulate that, those thoughts out loud. Yeah, I

actually, I use the word sound signatures. Sound signatures. Beautiful.

Okay. Like how, how we produce

the sound from what support muscles and what resonators the sounds

move through and have a very specific effect on

how that sound will be responded to out in the world.

Wow. And yeah, I was mentioning to you off camera

that I used to do a lot of theater and back in school

and I remember some of the voice

coaches talking about, you know, the different ways that we cut off our voice.

And I just, I have a memory where they brought in some

professional theater actors and someone came

out to introduce them and he was like, oh, we're. Here, here are the

people around. And he said their names. And then these theater actors came

and they started speaking and like the whole room filled. They had

no microphone, they had no nothing. And it, and I just was like,

what is going on? Like their voices were so

powerful. Yeah. Commanding.

Yes. Response. Right. Or commanding. There's so

many different ways that you can look through this. So I. You'll have to ask

me and lead me in directions because the voice, it's just such

a multi dimensional thing. We could talk about how

it works, but what you're speaking about right now is an embodied voice.

So you're taught when you go to acting school or music school, but

even this, I would say classical voice is different than

original voice than what I work with. But we'll, we'll go to

here when you're learning how to speak in. In acting school, you're

learning how to breathe your diaphragm down support and then

send sound specifically through parts of the body to create

what the emotional resonance of something is. Emotions

come from deep within. Emotions are something that are inside of us. So when we

speak through the whole body and is informing

the voice of what the emotional quality of what we're saying is,

not just the thought and the concept of it, but where does that live in

the body and where does that move from? When someone's listening to you,

they find you right in that space so you immediately

connect to them. They don't even need to understand your

language. The word you're saying wouldn't even matter. They would know,

oh, this is heartbreaking. Oh, this is gut wrenching. Oh,

this is passionate or this is sad or this is whatever it might

be. And it comes from the way we move sound

from our body out into the world, which then connects directly in

to the receptor that we are. So the human body is a

transmitter and a receptor of energy. And how

we transmit that frequency is how any other human

is going to receive it. So if I come to you

from my heart when I speak, your heart immediately becomes

coherent with mine. And now we're in a heart to heart

conversation. If I come to you from my head,

we're going to be head to head, right? There's a lot that happens in this

world that goes that way, right? Yes. My

gut from down in my body. I'm going to ground you into your

deepest body. And now you're going to sit and you're going to listen. You're going

to stay with me because you're going to be in your body because we're my

voices. And so I don't say this so people

manipulate the world, although we can with that and many,

many different careers, like politicians and actors

and all that are taught how to manipulate sound. My work

is to get us to authentic voice so that each person can

actually live their truth, speak their truth and live and like

have their world be met from their authentic voice.

Wow, that is so powerful. So I'd love to

get into some of how to do that, but first

I'd like to hear your story of how you connected with your voice

and with this work. Okay, so if I'll

tell this as quickly. Okay. Because as we were saying, like I've been looking for

someone who's, who could do like quantum voice work for a long

time. So I was so delighted to find you because it

just, I'm like there Must be someone who's made these connections. And here you are.

So we'd love to hear. Love to hear the journey. It started with

performance. It started just like you. You said you went to school for this, right?

They found my voice when I was 5, and I was already

a singer. Like, I came into the world with the ability to sing. So the

first time they heard me sing, they were like, wow, she's got talent,

right? Natural talent. And then they just put me into voice classes. So

I got classically trained, and I was given the

dream to become a performer, an entertainer,

and it served me for a really long time. I decided I went to

all the schools, I did all the voice works. I learned the music, and I

did the acting and the voice, like, all this stuff, and I got this training.

But throughout that entire process, there was a

deep underpinning of insecurity.

And I think that in general, when we're young and someone finds a gift or

a talent and they say immediately, like, you're going to become a professional at

this, and they go into hyper training you, there's so much competition

and comparison and rejection and success, right?

Like, it's both, but they're. It just. You're

always trying to beat someone else out for the role. You're always in

this, like, comparative place. So there's a lot of ego

that gets caught into that. And depending on how strong our ego

is, how often we could be rejected or not or how often

we're given the roles, it really affects how we feel about what our

abilities are here. So meanwhile, I had a. I had

both. I had success, I had failure. I had all of it. But I. I

still was in this. Like, I just never felt good

enough. Even though I was great, I never felt good enough.

And I think that our schools do. They. They give us

that. They give us that. There's never enough. There's always the more. There's always

the next character. There's always the person who you're trying to compare

yourself to and trying to become the best, right? And that just

wasn't my world. It just. It didn't work out for. For my soul and for

who Maren was. It wasn't. There was always a dissonance is what I'd say,

right? So the talent was there,

but there was always this underpinning, as I said, of insecurity and

needing to prove something or those nerves that people get when they

get up to sing or they get up to perform of like, am I going

to be good enough? Am I going to mess this up, all that like that.

For what I say, it shouldn't be there. There's no. Once you actually

understand what you are and how this thing works, there's no reason to

evaluate it. We just have to live it right.

So the. The idea of. For a while, that was

going on, and then ultimately, I was working with

this record label when I was 19 years old, and I was in a

situation that was very. Not creative. I was, like, singing other people's

songs and doing this for the sake of being famous.

It was really like, why anybody would get signed to this particular group. We were,

like, put together to be a harmony group,

but we weren't creatively in control. We were, like. We, like, auditioned to

be part of this group. And this idea of being signed to a record label,

everyone's dream. But while I was living it, it was a nightmare. It just didn't

feel good. I didn't get. Get. Get along that well with the girls that I

was paired with. We got along, but it wasn't like, you know, it didn't feel

like the way it was supposed to feel, I think, to be an artist and

create. And so I decided that I was just not going to be a singer

anymore. I decided to quit. My whole life, I had done

nothing but this. My whole life. And I decided that I wanted to find out

who I was without being known as the voice,

because that was how I was known. Like marin's the singer. And I left

my life. I left everything. I had to figure out who the heck

I was. And this is young. I'm 19 years old, but I just. Wow. Yeah,

that's early to do. To do the big pivot.

Soul level. I know that there's something else I'm here for,

but at a teenage. At that time, that's not what marin's

thinking. She's just thinking she's unhappy and she's, you know, whatever. Not.

Not satisfied. But at the same time, at a soul level, what I

come to understand now Is that what was driving me Knew that I had a

different destiny. So I quit everything and didn't know who

I was supposed to be. And a very long story short, I end

up traveling to the other side of the world to find myself. So I get

to australia to try to figure out who I'm supposed to be in this world.

So I had to, like, separate myself from everyone who already had a design on

who marin's gonna be to people who nobody knew me. And I had to, like,

find out parts of myself. And when I got there,

I ended up on an ashram

with that. That someone that I had met there brought me to, where they did

this fire ritual called Agnihotra. I don't know if you've

ever heard of this, but it's a Vedic fire ritual where

in a copper pot, a copper pyramid with cow

dung and brown rice and ghee, you chant these mantras over this

pot. So this was in a

place called Cessnook in Australia, where there was. In 35

years of drought, and there was all this farmland that was

dry and cracked, and you couldn't. Couldn't grow anything on it. But

this ashram that we were on was plentiful.

It had fruit trees and gardens growing massive like

beetroots and kale. And like, it was. It was just abundant.

And there were all these water limitations because of the drought, so there

was legal water limitations. And they weren't watering anything more than

anybody else. What they were doing instead was they were chanting these mantras

over these copper pyramids and then putting the ash on the

ground that were full of this frequency. And it was

creating this whole conversation with Earth that seemed almost

impossible. And so I.

That's so cool. That was my first taste of

what you're talking about here with the voice being part of the quantum

connection and how resonance that moves from us

feeds the soil, feeds the whole biosphere

that's around you. And how even now we could

say people, there's science around this. Like the frequencies that help plants

grow. Plants grow best to Bach. Certain

sounds, right. But people who tend to plants, I don't know if you

do. I sing to my plants all the time, and because of that, they are

growing beautifully. They live so well. It's like they want to

be spoken to and sung to. And the resonance there, that connection

makes such a difference. Right? Bright. So anyway, back here, I saw

it for the first time, and I stayed on that ashram. And the. The things

that started changing in me, my eyesight improved, my. My overall

health improved. There was all of this shifting in myself

from this mantra. And I had this moment of realizing

the voice is not performative. It's not for

entertainment. Like, yes, it's joy inducing for sure.

It increases serotonin, it increases dopamine, it

oxytocin, like all of our bliss chemicals when we sing

are lit. And so, yes, it is for that. That enlightening and

that joy, but it's not for attention and it's not for, like,

seeking validation and all of those things. Our voice is

creative, our Voice literally

creates the physical world. So then as

I started looking into it, I saw, you know, in these ancient texts,

they speak about this, that the human voice is unmanifest form, as you already

heard me say, and that the sou that moves through this body

actually goes through the fifth chakra, which is the center of

manifestation, and it moves this resonance

through the entire form. If you look at the chakra system, we

have earth at the bottom, we have water at the

second, we have fire at the third, we have air at the

fourth. Fifth is ether, sixth is space.

So the ether is the element that we don't get taught in the

West, Right? Well, it's been taught on this

podcast. So our audience is all down with the ether.

Imagine that your voice is a tool that takes all

those other elements, moving sound,

resonance through them, out through the ether, and then

culminating or conjuring is a word. I use all of those

elements to become what you physically

get to experience out there. Right. And this is our

life. Wow. Could you say that one more

time? When you use your totality of your

voice, you're going to breathe and you're going to root down

into the whole body. So sound gets produced through the

entire body, which means that you're. You're

activating earth, water,

fire, air, and that's all moving through the

ether and the space, which is our

mind. When you talk, we said our thoughts are so

important. Right. The mind here or the head, the third eye

is the. What kind of visionary, like, what kind of space can

you create to see that manifestation to

actually happen? So our mind being open is

everything, and our mind being able to be expansive enough to

allow to hold space for all those elements to then

create what you're moving through your throat chakra. When

you're. When you move sound through the whole body, out of the throat, you're

then calling or conjuring all of these elements to come together

to create into what we call physical reality

that which we are expressing out.

Wow. Absolute magic. Absolute

magic. That every one of us

possesses that we all have access to. Right, then.

This isn't about having a specific talent as an

actor or a singer. This is our inherent.

This is what our biology is meant to be doing.

Yes. So what

happens along the way that

stops us from having our. The full expression

of our sound signature. The

outside world, other people's creations,

because we are the creator, but we are first informed

by what the others who have come before us have created.

We have this. False, very false. In

the. In my experience, a depiction of that our

eye, we call this the third eye here at the. At the middle there.

And we say that this would be I1 and I2 are two seeing eyes.

And then our third eye is there. But what actually exists is that our first

eye is our pineal gland. We are visionaries here

to create the world. And our second and third eye get to then

witness our creation. But when we're younger,

we're being informed by the world that's already been created that we enter.

So we look through I1 and I2 and see reality,

and then say, okay, how do I think about and

restructure and create from the reality that exists? And

for a lot of us, that means we're going to limit our potential.

So the depending. I mean, in my work, it's heartbreaking,

but the first time most people open their mouth to sing,

someone around them tells them that they're not good or to shut up. Or now

like, shh. Or obviously you can't sing or whatever it might be.

And I've heard story after story about this. But even if we go without

singing before that, one big yell

that your parents say no in any kind of a harsh way

creates a nervous system response from something that's naturally

moving from us to. And tightens

that muscle or tightens that up. The next time we go to

express ourselves, we're going to have to move through something that

contracted, so we're going to have to really

push through. And the more and more and more that happens, the more and more

contracted we become. So, yes, the vocal cords work

even with very little muscle support. Our breath can move into our

lung and we can make some sound through the vocal cord, but we lose the

capacity to breathe down all the way to our body and support from the

root all the way up. So what you get then, if we're looking at

that system of elements, is we're not accessing earth,

which is shakti, that creates physical reality.

We're not accessing water, which is the ability to move our emotions,

energy in motions, right? And emotion moves

particles. So if we aren't moving our emotions,

we're not moving as much particle as we could be moving to create

some shift in our life. And then we're not firing that

out into the world to catalyze it into creation.

Instead, what we get is some air, which is enough to just

support some vibrational sound here, and a thought process which is

very limited, right? Because we're not actually in this body,

activating the full intelligence of what we are.

So we're Limited to what we can create. We could still think and dream and

all of that, but we can't manifest it because you can't

manifest life without that earth and that water and

that fire. That's how physical world exists. Right? We've got

the soil, we've got the water, and we've got the sun that

activate all the physical life that we get to live. And

then we get our dream that we get to make physical.

But we get. We get condensed and we get stifled and

we get. Corseted is the word I actually use. Like, we get tight

to living these dreams. Like, we still have these ideas, but we

don't have the embodiment energy to actually create that into physical

form.

This. This makes so much sense.

So what do you see when you

support people to access their full sound

signature? Like, it's not, you know. You know, I'm

like, oh, I. I need to learn some breathing techniques because sometimes when I'm doing

a podcast, my voice tightens. Right. But that's just a very,

what you're saying, like a very surface level. You're

talking about accessing something much deeper. And so how I would imagine you

people's lives transform way beyond just how their voice sounds.

Vocal transformation. You can

rebirth yourself whenever you're ready. To every one of us,

I always. The Buddha. The Buddha. Every day, we are born again. It

is what we do today that matters most. It is what we do today

that matters most. It is what we do today that

materializes the most. But we are all carrying around

the story of who we think we are. And we're carrying that around

not just in our concepts, we're carrying that around in our fascia, in our water,

in our body, in our cells. So I can decide to change my

mind, fine. I can convince myself with affirmation that that is

not. But still, the physical form reacts to

the world the way that it's holding memory. So our primary

release has to be somatic. We have to get the

cells to vibrate differently. And our

voice, if you've seen any cymatics, you know, any work of

putting sand on a. On a plate or water in a singing bowl, the

cymatics that get created, our own voice does that to every drop

of water inside of our own cellular structure. So when we start to do

voice work, we're literally expressing the

past out so that the water can

build a whole new self. What I help people with is

profound life changes. I mean, I can honestly tell you that there

is nothing anybody listening what you think might be

10 PhDs away from you or another person's

life. We're talking about quantum here. We're not talking about a time

space reality. We're talking about things that can change on a

dime whenever you're ready to shift the frequency that

you're carrying. I have watched marriages that were done

re completely fall in love again. I have watched women who are infertile

have babies. I have watched people who are hundreds of

thousands of dollars in debt get completely out of that and become their

own success millionaires. Like I've watched. I have watched

health. I've watched heart disease reverse itself. I have watched so

many things go down, it's unbelievable. But

that's why I dedicate my entire life to it. I can tell you there is

nothing that a human cannot reverse

once we decide to change that imprint. And we could say, oh

yeah, it's years and years and years. It's even epigenetics, Right.

But there's study around epigenetics too. And so the

epigene is a protein sheath that is

around the DNA code. And it's literally

depicting what part of our DNA expresses and

doesn't express. And cortisol and adrenaline and all those

stress hormones create that epigene to activate those parts of

us. But all the other stuff that I mentioned already. Dopamine,

serotonin, oxytocin. When you're in a bliss state,

the whole epigene can transform and different parts of your genetics will

start to come out. So when I look at the human

DNA, the epigene is

0.01% of our DNA makeup.

Every single human has access to

99.99% of DNA that

is not the way ours is currently expressing. And

we can change the way we express our DNA just by shifting how that

epigene moves. And the voice has the

power to relieve all of the

stressor hormones that create that continual epigenet expression

and shift how that moves so that you can actually get other

aspects of you to start to show up.

Right. Yeah. No, this, this

is, this is so good because, yeah, we, we

talk a lot, you know, in this corner of the world about

grounding being in natural sunlight,

honoring the light and dark cycles of nature,

because we are filled with liquid crystal

that is being, you know, charged by that

cycle. And we really understand, yeah,

that we've been imprinted and we're holding on to

whatever past traumas or belief systems that have come our

way dealing with material reality. And so

what I'm hearing you say is that the voice

Is like the unlock

for all of that. Yes. And we just

have it here, sitting here right inside of us.

And we were shushed. I mean, we were pacified. We were told

in this world, we are told not to express ourselves

authentically because when we're very, very young, it looks like temper tantrums.

You're crying loud, you're crying in the middle of the night. And like all these

times where your parents need you to be quiet, or you're teachers

in school need you to be quiet, or your priests or your rabbis need you

to be quiet, like everyone, we're taught to keep what our natural

expressive thing is in. But that is our

original intelligence. We express it, we move it out, and we

have a reset. If we don't move it out,

we don't get a reset. We get the repetition of the exact same thing again

and again and again. So now we're looking at layers and layers

of conversation that have been going on internally and that we have not

been allowed to just simply like what we knew when we were babies. We just

went.

It was done. We didn't hold grudges, we didn't have

resentments, we didn't have these stories. We just cried it out

and we moved on. Next. That's what we did when we were very, very

young. But once they tell us we're not allowed to express that

we now have that living inside. So the next time someone does something similar to

what we didn't get to move past, it just makes it worse.

Gets thicker, gets deeper. Right. So

as simple as expressing it out, as simple as something like a primal scream,

which I take people through a lot, just getting

out. And then there's space. And from space, you can

actually make a choice of how you want to move forward,

of how you want to think about something. But if you don't get it out,

you're just going to keep thinking about it and feeling about it the same way

you've always thought about it and felt about it. There's no room for change. Change

where there is not space. Right. So we have to create the

space internally. And the voice helps you express that all

out so that you actually have reflection in space.

And then you can make a better choice moving forward.

So is that where the. The vocal transformation

would start for most people is it is accessing

the expression? Yeah. So the

framework of what I do, there's many different ways that this work

moves, but I'd call it the fundamentals of what I do is a chanting

practice that moves from the root chakra. Up through the crown.

So very basic yoga technique, the Bija mantra is the seed sounds.

But one way, the way that I teach it, that I haven't seen it taught

elsewhere, and if anyone out there is teaching it that way, please come find me

because I want to compare notes, is that there's a way to

support them that I, in my yoga teacher trainings, was never

taught. So it's not just a simple like repeating

of a sound. It's where in the body it's placed, it's how it's supported in

there. And you're actually opening up the physical aspect of that

part of the body. So layer by layer, from the

time we're conceived until who you are now, all this stuff is stored

inside. And it's all getting in the way of your ability to

plug into the quantum field in the way that you want to,

that one wants to. And instead what we plug in with is all of the

unprocessed things that are standing in the way of the person that we want to

create now. So you start with a chanting practice. It takes nine

months to do the first phase of it, which is the exact amount of time

it took to be born originally. You can use your

voice or working with your voice, you can rebirth your entire system. System.

And by going through each chakra for 40 days, you

can begin to open the energy field,

see what's still sitting in there, see what's needs to go

and what is maybe undercharged and needs to amp up. And

you begin to wake up these wheels of energy and get

yourself into your correct alignment, which then you just

see the whole process. The physical world starts to change around you.

Your health improves, all of your habits start

to change. And the reason why that happens is because a chanting practice

increases alpha brainwave state. So

your voice, when it's used in its totality,

requires your diaphragm to move down. When it does

that, it's going to press into your gut. Your gut is your

instinctual center. It's going to open up

the area of the heart simultaneously, which is your emotional

center. And as you move the sound through all those resonators, it's going to

increase brain alpha brainwave in your gray matter,

which is going to increase your, your mind's ability to

make new brain pathways. So your neuroplasticity

increases. And when you're actually doing a chanting practice,

you're creating an open field where all of these

intelligences are working together congruently.

Most humans function very heavily one way or the other.

I'd say most of us are headstrong. Yeah. Some of us are, though.

Highly. Like someone who's physically highly challenged will

be. You know, their gut keeps them in fear of like, a world that will

harm them. Someone who emotionally has been damaged a lot has a heart

that closes off and prevents connection at an emotional level.

Right. That's normally where the. The brain or the head

has to cope. Like tons of coping mechanisms and. And

strategy and logic. So we need to become a

completely congruent vessel. All three of these brains

are as important as each other. So we need to take it out

of the head and give some of it back to the body. And when you're

chanting or singing or using your voice in this way, in

this original way, all three of those brains will be

congruent. So you get to reset the system. You get

everything to come back into your most. Your highest levels of intelligence.

Wow. Okay. Yeah. And so it's like the, the

sound. It's funny. My voice feels

better talking to you than it did than it

normally does. Usually I can feel like the more I talk, I. It

starts to get tired and close up. And now I'm like, oh, so here

I'm picking up your. Your vibes, Marin.

So it sounds like the. The. The voice is.

Is clearing the field and also like a kind of

internal. Almost the way you

described it with the muscles that the sound is.

Is having like a physical impact on. On

our biology. Yes. So you're.

There's a couple of reasons. It has to do with the way the muscles work.

The. The average human is sucking everything

in all the time. We're so used to, like, holding in our stomachs. Holding

look good. And to also just learning how to hold back

what's really in there has created this wall and this kind of

coarsening, as I said before. So when you do this voice work, you're actually

working muscles in a very different way. You're. You're

opening what we've become so tight around

so your organs get more room to move.

Your breath changes as that diaphragm drops

so that your. Your whole system is detoxifying itself.

It's incredible. Most people don't breathe correctly. We walk

around breathing in a coping breath. We do not breathe the way we were designed

to breathe. So when we do voice work, it retrains

the breath. Now if I were to say, like, take a deep

breath. Right. See, some people would breathe

up into their shoulders. This is how we breathe. But this is not

the way we're designed to breathe. As I'M sure you know, but the. This is

feeding the head. And this has all come down to us bringing

prana to the head, bringing our life force up. We're designed to breathe

diaphragm down, and the bellies comes out and the waist

comes out, and the low back even expands, and the root of the body

drops to the earth. Our breath, every time we

breathe is a way that our soul and our spirit takes our body and

claims it. And when we breathe that way, our

whole nervous system goes into parasympathetic.

Our whole body says, okay, I'm here. And all this

intelligence from the root to the crown and back is functioning together.

But when we breathe up, we're breathing into the upper lung,

which sends a signal to the body that we're stressed and our sympathetic

nervous system takes over. So the vast majority of people that

I work with start with a sympathetic nervous system breath.

So just that alone, to support sound, we need to breathe the diaphragm

down and then activate muscle in a way that

supports that diaphragm to stay down and then

really controls how fast it returns to its original point.

So once we actually train our voice down, our

whole breath will, after I say about 90 days, takes about three months

for somebody who breathes up to be switched into a

downward breath. That in itself will change a human life.

That in itself will create a whole different level of energy

and vitality. Your bowels function differently, your heart is

different. Everything about your life, like the number of people three months

into working with me that are like, I don't understand. I'm actually present.

I'm here, I'm in the world because the breath is in the body.

And that's the way we're designed with every single breath. So those

people who do know how to breathe with their diaphragm, who maybe do breath

work or take yoga classes or have worked with somebody who's taught them that

still, when I work with them and I say, take a deep breath, they'll breathe

down. But if I ask them if they breathe that way all the time,

they'll say no. When I concentrate on it,

yes. So you. You know how to move the diaphragm, but it's

not the way you're breathing every day. And so for that, you're surviving, you're not

thriving. And once we get that breath locked

in, because when I. When we talk about voice work, the

voice is the voice is the voice. So whether you're speaking,

singing, chanting, screaming, whispering, any way you use

your voice, the muscles are Always all the same.

So anybody who looks at me and says, like, I can speak, but I can't

sing, like, no, that is not true. The difference

between speaking and singing is just sustain. When I

speak, I use all the same muscles which keeps my

voice in my body. The same resonators are being activated, which means

that when I speak, I'll be moving through my emotional centers and

through my, like, embodied sense self. You'll. You're going to meet me

and my real vibrational frequency. And then when I

sing, I just have to sustain that note

a little more. That's all. The

only difference is that I'm going to use that muscle a little bit more so

that I hold a tone longer than I have to when I'm speaking.

But we immediately in our brain say, I'm not a singer.

Yeah, no, that's. I say that all the time. Everyone,

mark my words, everyone can sing. If you have pitch problems,

it's probably because you're not in your circadian rhythm. You're not

really listening from your body to what sound is coming to you.

You're listening through your ears and you already have a thought process that

says, I don't hear pitch. Well, so you don't actually hear the pitch.

You hear a pitch coming through thought layers that you can't even track.

Right. Actually get in the body and feel

a sound. We can replicate that sound and every human

can get to that place. They just might have to work a little harder than

others. Wow.

So you. Did you just say that there's a connection between pitch and

circadian rhythm? Potentially, yeah. What

is. Say more because we're

not. We're not in our body and we're not connected to

the. The resonance of the Earth, the Schumann resonance, you

know, the resonance of the planet. Her own heartbeat that matches our own

heartbeat. So when we are living in a lot of

artificiality and when we are not sleeping well and when we are, you know,

running on all these different coping mechanisms that we have in our body,

they're all just layers of distortion in our field.

So when a tone comes at you, you can't

be with that sound. There's too much

distortion. So our job is to get the

distortion cleared. We have to get to the

present. We have to be in a nervous system that's grounded

and we have to be open to receive that sound. We do not just hear

sound through our ears, we hear it through every bit of our body.

Our whole body is a receiver. So when we only hear with

our ears or when we only. When we think with our heads, right? And we

hear a sound through our head and we're not in the

resonance of everything. It's much easier to not be able to hear

pitch correctly or to not be able to iterate pitch

correctly. You can hear it, but you can't, you

can't hold it because you're not actually in the body. And those pitches

are made from the whole form, not just from a vocal

cord in the head. It's. That's made from the whole body.

Right? Would

that translate out from pitch as well to

say, a person's ability to receive

affection or support? Of course.

It's all the same thing. Everything is sound. If

you haven't heard that one yet out there, if you don't realize this,

everything is making sound. Just because our

senses are not able to pick up certain frequencies

and really we pick up a tiny amount of what's really going on in

this planet. Just because we are not

sensorily plugged in to pick it up at a certain hertz

or a certain frequency doesn't mean it's not vibrating and it's not

making sound. It's just not making sound within our auditory ability to hear

it because. But our body still feels it. And that information

that's happening here that we're not consciously aware

of, is still informing everything. So when you're

in someone's auric field, their heartbeat, the

way their pulse is moving and their breath and everything, all of that

is your body's being informed by when they're close to you. And your

ability to receive that and to be open and even share that.

This is all heart chakra stuff, like your ability to, to give

and to receive must be imbalance. But when the

head is protecting or when we're closed off in these ways, we, we can't

receive it. So we're basically.

I, I'd say the human race is basically in a,

in a challenge or what Our true test is how, how open can we stay?

How much space can we contain? How much room can we make for all

opinions, for all ways of being? How, how

much can, can we feel

when we see a world where so much is painful? We're in a

world right now where we lose track of just how pleasurable it

actually is as well. And we focus on how painful it is. And

we keep reiterating like the pain

we see with the way that we're treating each other in the world,

we're actually getting numb feeling because

it's too much to feel. But the greatest

of art is made by those who can feel it

all. And so our great

test, I think, is to not close this, not close

down is to keep sharing who we are and

to allow others to be received and share who they are. And

when we can open up that conversation, we realize

that we don't have to hold all the pain of the world. It's not our

job. The pain of the world moves through us. It moves out of us.

It comes in, it goes out. And so does all the joy and all the

pleasure and all the beauty. It's not only pain here, it's

everything. But we don't want to feel the

bad stuff, what we call the bad stuff. And we shut that

down, and we could take that to the voice. The reason why people do not

mostly share is because

maybe they weren't great the first time they sang. They didn't

compare to who their favorite artists were, so they think they're bad. They

don't want to feel bad, so they don't try

or they experience

somebody outside making them feel bad about what they

just shared. Whether that's a singing voice or whether that's my truth, like,

this is how I feel. And someone said, nope, how you feel is not allowed.

How you feel is wrong. Once we feel the pain

of not being received, we start to shut it down and say,

I don't want to feel that pain anymore, so I'll stop sharing.

Instead of. They just are limited to what they can

receive. But what's happening through me is the absolute truth.

So let me be the truth, regardless of what

other people's responses are to it. And then once I have

it expressed into the world, it empowers me to keep on

growing. And I think that. I think that

a lot of us are stuck. We're just stuck.

And expression is the key out. The voice is the key out. Once

we. And we knew it from infants, from babies. Once we express it,

it's not in us anymore, and we can move forward,

but we are holding too much of it in. So we stop. We just

numb. We just stop feeling. And the thing with

life is that the less you allow yourself to feel, the less you will

allow in. You can't change. You can't

manifest your life. You can't. Yeah.

You can't connect to everything that is. When you won't allow

everything that is to be. When you have it on your

tiny little terms, you'll get life on your tiny little

terms. Why? Because we are the creator

of this reality. Every one of us gets to live this life here.

Like I Think that the human birth is the golden ticket. I tell

everyone all the time, we think that this earth is so difficult

and so painful. And we see, we keep telling that story and we keep creating

that truth. But we really got the golden ticket. The

guts, the instincts, the emotions and the cognitive,

intellectual. And we have the ability to make the

world like to create whatever we could dream

into existence. So what are we

dreaming? And why do we keep creating the

dream of war and dissonance and turmoil and

lack and all those things like that? It does not

only exist here, it exists here if that's what you dream. But

so does the total opposite exist here.

So we have to decide who we are and

who we want to be here and what we're willing to put out. But

the world does not just give it to you. It doesn't.

Well, and it feels like, like such a risk.

I work with a lot of people and I've been working with myself,

obviously, right. And it's like we'll build the dream and build the vision

and gain the knowledge and a lot of us get stuck

just like study more and study more. I don't know enough yet,

I don't know enough yet to go out into the world. And

it's the moment where it's time to take a step

and be seen and be expressed.

I'm a new health coach and I'd love to work with people who need

help with their digestion and

a freeze point for so many of us. And then

we may or may not work for it, but then there's always more and more.

So I'm hearing you saying, like we. You're helping

us to create a sense of safety

within our own selves with our. The tools

that we were born with so that

that risk doesn't feel impossible. All

yes, you will. You will resonate. The world will bring you what you

are. So if you're full of fear,

you'll meet people who will see your fear and they will not come to you

because they'll be afraid to come to you. Right.

What the voice work will do was, is it will reset your nervous system and

it will build your confidence, which I say is

primordial. The confidence comes with the body itself.

There is nobody out there that can break your confidence. There is

nobody out there that gives you your confidence. Either

people can support you and put wind under those wings. And if

you're fortunate, people will see your gifts right off

the bat and will start to, to help you. But that's not

the case of everybody. Some people Write such underdog stories where

no nobody around them supports them. And they have to

prove to themselves as a soul to this world,

that even if nobody sees it, I am it,

right? And there's the confidence. It comes with the birth.

The fact. The mere fact that you were given a body, that you were given

your heart, that you were given the dream and the visions that you have. The

mere fact that that even exists is enough for every one of us to have

confidence in who we are. But our society did not

give us that confidence. Our society is an ego

driven society that taught us again, like I said from the beginning, to

compare and to compete and to be jealous and envious,

to want what others have. And we, we look outside of ourselves

for some level of validation that is unnecessary.

We already are it. When we do

this voice work, we reclaim all of that it ness. And

then we get share it. And you know, there are people who would look at

me and say, maren, you're crazy. I'll never do that work with you. And there

are people who say, okay, I feel this off you and I want what you're

talking about. Let's go, right? What I know is that this

works. So I will show up and give it to

anybody who's ready because it works. So to these

healthcare for these people, you're talking about if you know

that certain supplements, that certain breath practices, that certain

psychological whatever it might be that you need to help your digestive system,

if you know that it could benefit another person,

even if you only know the first two pages of the book, but you know

that if you give them the first two pages, they will begin to

have healthier bowel movements and a clearer state of mind, which of course

they're interlinked, right? Why would you not put that out

there? You're helping

somebody else. And this is the biggest thing.

Our voice is our contribution to the world.

It's not about us. I ask people all the time,

whose voice do you think it is?

It is a mixture. It is nothing more and nothing less than the

planet which is the body that you're in and the soul that

came to incarnate. My soul's not named

Marin. Marin is the personality construct that I

developed to navigate the world, right? And the name that my parents

gave me. My soul came in with a

purpose. It came in with a contribution that then

activates the body. And these two things will make

something happen here in life, right? Whatever that might be. So

when we deal with voice work, or when we're looking at our voice it's our

soul's dynamic life urge for truthful

expression. What is your truth?

Your soul's truth? We have to get beyond the person

that was created by an ego driven world that we

were taught to protect. This ego, God forbid

anybody tells me I'm wrong. I've been told I'm wrong so many times

now that I'm like, okay, okay, I'll be wrong, I'll die wrong.

But at the same time, people who've shown up for this and do this work

with me, they see what it does and I'm not the one doing this for

them. They do it for themselves. They show up, I show them

how to do it. They have to do it. I cannot heal you.

You have to heal you. But your voice, your own voice and this work will

do it. So when you're dealing with someone who like what

you're saying, people who say, I'm new out the gate, I don't know enough, I

have more to do. All I would say is, what can you do to

help somebody today and

find people who need that help? And whether or not you're

perfect, it doesn't matter. I'm not a perfect person. Nobody's a perfect person. Like, we're

all still on this incredible evolutionary track that hopefully we're all

going to be evolving until we're not here anymore. So there's always room

for growth and all of that. But if

you're scared to share, that's all people are gonna

feel like. When I'm talking about singing,

when I see people start to sing and they're nervous, they're scared to sing,

the first thing happens is that they don't breathe.

They're in their head, their heart is pounding, their tongue is numb, it's moving.

And they just like get the song, the first lyric in and they just like

jump out of the gate. And you can feel that they're nervous, right? So

the whole audience knows they're scared. And what, and what happens?

The audience is scared. We're

nervous for the person we're not in the song. We're

in the nerves that we're looking at and it's making us nervous, right?

So our number one responsibility is to

be what we are, become the song. I always tell anybody who's

listening who sings that three count breath at the beginning of a song is

everything. If you're scared to sing, wait until you're not

before you start to sing. If an audience has to wait

a while to watch you, until you're ready to breathe

and actually Sing the song without it being about you singing.

Instead, you actually become the song. It's worth the

wait. We'll wait five minutes, we'll sit there and be like, I wonder why we're

waiting. But when you actually come out the gate

from the embodied place of singing the song, that's why

we sing. We sing to move

emotion. We sing to tell a story. We sing

to share something authentically. But when there's too much

I in the way of all of that, that's what you get.

You get. I. You get even. Some of the greatest artists

that we know, they're just doing vocal gymnastics. They're not really making you feel

anything. They're just showing you how great they are. Right.

But what about, like, becoming the song?

That's what we're true. Art is born. That's where. That's why

we share. We don't. We're not the singer. We're the

song. So back to life. Let's take

it out of that music. You're not the person

who's teaching someone how to get a healthy body, how to get a healthy

gastrointestinal system. Right. You are the. The

message itself. You are the teaching itself of, like, here,

you need help. This is how you get your help. I'm here to share

with you the information. I'm not here to share with you, me.

And the faster we can get. Get to that, I think

just the more clients you're going to get.

Whether or not she becomes successful, this is about, how can

she actually serve the world, or he served the world.

And the more we can align ourselves with that, the easier it is to share

what's going on. Yes. Because

all of these. All of these choices that we make are really just

spiritual growth exercises.

It feels like, oh, I. I have to, you know, learn how

to record something and put it on the Internet. It's a spiritual growth

exercise, and you are giving us

a profoundly overlooked tool. Yes.

So do you want to feel very quickly? I'm not sure how much. Yeah. Want

to feel really quickly what it's like differently.

Yeah. As I was saying just before about the singer, like, the throat gets

tight and the tongue goes numb and the heartbeat starts to race. And when that

happens, the first thing that happens is the breath moves up

to that breath we were talking about before. So you

up here. Yeah. You're losing lyrics. You start like, your

head's just got you right. So the key. And I, like, feel my

throat tighten. Right. Especially if I have to. If

I'm, like, giving a presentation it's like the first 10 minutes it's like flood. And

then the longer I talk it's like. And I can like, oh, there it goes.

I don't know why, but I'm probably, I'm not breathing. Okay.

The breath and then also the head. When the head takes the voice,

the throat closes up towards the head.

When the heart takes the voice, the throat opens down towards

the heart. So we always want

the voice to move through the heart which

is the largest resonator. Our sound mostly comes from

down in here and moves through here up to the

head so we get to those higher notes of our range. So we want the

impetus of our voice or the way it moves to be a downward breath and

a downward support to let sound come through the chest. So let's just take our

hands on the waist and take a breath

into the waist. So feel your breath

come down and the waist go wide and the strength there. Can you

feel that strength? Yeah. Okay, let's exhale that.

Let's do it again. And I want you to feel what's happening as you do

that with your whole throat area and your whole upper chest. So breathe into the

waist and

see if you could feel the expansion. So the chest

feels like it expands, but the sides of the throat also get wider.

Can you feel that? Yeah. Okay, so let's do that

one more time. Breathe in and fill that up.

Feel that with. And now suck your stomach in

and feel what happens instead.

It all closes down, right? Yeah. Everything

collapses. So the exact

replica of what happens here at the bottom of the body is what's

happening at the top. If our breath goes up and we suck our

stomach in, we're closing. Throat chakra head is going to control everything

because none of our low body is activated. But if we get the breath to

the lower body and we open that up, we now

have support muscles down here. You could feel that like strength at the

bottom that is going to send sound up through.

So the throat is open, the chest is open and the body's nice and strong.

And this is how we should feel when we speak all the time. This

is. You'll feel confident, you'll feel empowered, you'll feel in your body

and present level headed open hearted when we get our

voice down in here. So let's just do an ah, a nice

open eye to see what that feels like. If we breathe down to the waist

once that waist is strong, what I want you to do now is I want

you to press the waist into the hands. So not only is

the wide. The waist. When you first breathe, it gets nice and strong. Now I

want you to take those obliques, and I want you to expand them even

further. Okay. Strong side body.

And then we're just going to drop the open jaw to an ah. Okay,

so let's feel that. Breathe into the waist. Press

the waist into the hands. Drop the jaw.

Oh, yeah. Now that, you know

one more time. Your jaw. The smile gets in the way. So we want the

jaw. I'm having fun. And keep laughing.

Okay. And just let sound move,

because what you're going to feel is the whole channel of sound that moves through

you. It's a very powerful exercise. Yeah, I felt like a pillar. Almost

like a. Like a. Like an empty

pillar. Yes, exactly. Is your connection

to universal life force energy. Ah is the sound that

connects us to the entire universe, which is where Aum comes from.

And Amen and Allah and Amun and all

those words that we have. Ah is the sound that opens up this

channel to connect us to all the power that we have.

Right. So let's feel that together. If we feel the waist go wide,

we're going to open the entire channel for a big open ah. See how much

ah you can make and feel. If you could feel it moving through

your heart as well. So you not only have the waist here, but you

could feel sound coming through the chest. See if you could feel that. Let's breathe

in. Press the waist wide. Drop the jaw.

Oh, wow. You feel that?

Yeah. So there's your. It took me a few

tries, but that last one, I think I integrated. Your instructions,

and I really felt it. You feel the waist strong.

You feel the heart, and now the throat

is open, and you have all of this sound. This sound

is the bedrock of the voice in all the

ways we use it. So when I speak, I feel that

pillar, my words. I choose my words

from my mind of what I want to share, but it

moves sound through my emotional center as well. Right. So my voice is

now encompassing every part of my being. And when I

speak, my words are wrapping around that

open pillar of sound. Nothing is collapsed in here

and just kind of small and tight and sort of kind of doing

its thing. Right? Everything is supported, supported in this open channel.

And now I speak, and you can hear how much sound resonance

is there. I'm conducting more energy,

and this way my voice is way more impactful. As I send it out

into the world, those particles are going to be moving way

faster than they are. If I just kind of ask for what I want

in this kind of. Can I have that? Is this. Is it okay for me

to be who I am? I really love if we would do

right. Instead, it's here I am world moving

sound, resonance out into the quantum field moving

earth, fire, water, air, space, ether

out into the world. Watch how fast you start to manifest

things. Watch how fast your clients sign up with you. Watch how fast

the love of your life enters your world. Watch how fast that

money that you need to get into the bank gets into the bank. Just all

of it, whatever it might be. Watch how fast that brilliant idea that you

think that you can't come up with because you open the channel

of universal consciousness and it all starts to

move through you.

Incredible. Yeah. And I can. I mean, just

doing those few rounds with you, I'm in a completely different

place. I can feel like there's tingles. All

the tingles are happening.

Vera, this is such amazing work. I love it

so much. As I said at the beginning, when I found you and your

website, I was like, oh my goodness, I've

been looking and searching. So please let us know

how, how we can find you. I know there will be people who would

love to, after hearing this, love to come to a retreat or work with you

in some way. How does that happen? Beautiful. So my Instagram

is Vocal Underscore Transformation. My website

is vocal transformation.com and

I do, I have retreats all, all over the world throughout

the year. I'm in upstate New York. I hold some in New

York, but mostly traveling. I do have,

I have online courses. I have one on one coaching

for the truly dedicated student who feels like they

need the one on one teacher. And I also do a nine

month cohort every year where I take people through the entire

chanting practice in a group and we go through this whole

rebirth together. So there's so many ways to plug into

amazing. When is, when is your next

cohort happening? They start in September, so

I just. Okay, I just started this one. So next year.

So next September for the live cohort,

vocaltransformation.com to find a retreat coming

up near you, recorded work

and one on one options. Yes.

Amazing. And you mentioned you are in an upcoming documentary. What was

that called? It's called she Healed. It's a

biohacking documentary that they just made them. They just

released one called Biohack Yourself Lally. And they're

putting this one out this year about women's health and

how biohacking isn't really a female led industry,

but this is around women's health and it's lots

of different biohacking tools. It felt really good to bring something that is this.

Yes. Deep. Yeah. Because we're way beyond

biohacking with all of this.

To reduce the quantum world to biohacking is. Yeah.

It's a little reductive, but helpful. Helpful in many ways.

It will all the way so good.

But yes. I mean, this is. This is deeply profound work.

And I think we all,

you know, there are certain sort of fundamentals, I think to health.

And I would. I would now include doing void,

you know, connecting to our voice and our sound signature

as a fundamental healing tool. So

thank you for following your dreams, for opening this space.

It's so funny. You're the third woman I've interviewed in a week who has a

story of walking away from traditional media

just because she was like, no. And the

opportunity was right there. And they.

And you all kept walking to find your true. Your true path.

So thank you for doing that. Thank you. It's world changing.

Thank whatever horses that be that would just like no Marin in this

lifetime. You're not going to sell your soul to industry. Yep.

Good. We'll keep going. And I just want to say one last thing if I

can. Sure. Yeah. Please. My whole entire life is

for. Is to see the awakening of what it is we are.

And our conversation today was so much about how who we think we

are gets in the way of all of what we are.

And when we do this voice work, we become the tuning fork

for the entirety of this realm. Not just for humans,

for the animals, for the trees, for the plants, for the waters. Like what we

are capable of moving energetically through our

system can be of such great benefit to this planet.

So I chose not to go to industry standards of how like man

decides the business of life needs to look. And I

chose to instead work for the powers that be, which is

truly this incredible planet that we're.

We're lucky enough to be born into and like to be a part of in

these bodies. And so I feel like right now the human race

has. Has a decision we need to make about what our

places here and what we're going to do on this earth as

humans. Like, where is humanity? It seems to be something that

we're losing sight of. And so this voice work is

such an important and very powerful key if

to help humanity reclaim that heart center, to

reclaim what we are. And when we reclaim this,

we will see this entire world change. We will bring it

back to the goodness of what it is. So I just. If

you at all feel a call to finding your voice in service to

that, please come find me. Yes.

Yes. Beautifully put. Thank you for

expressing that. And, yeah, I have nothing to add,

that is. We're on the same page.

It's funny. I'm just remembering I occasionally

do, like, solo casts, and I did one where I was

called your voice matters. And

it meant more than I even realized when I said it at the time.

Our voices matter. We are. We

are. We got the golden ticket. Let's. Let's go for

it.

Thank you, Maren. I would love to do this again sometime.

Thank you so much for having me.