1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:00,950 Hey everybody, 2 00:00:00,950 --> 00:00:03,200 welcome to the Craft Beer Republic. 3 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:05,540 Just Greg here today on a field trip. 4 00:00:05,540 --> 00:00:13,980 I'm out in Fillmore at Red Engine Brewing Company who just had their grand opening by the time this airs a couple weeks ago. 5 00:00:13,980 --> 00:00:16,269 I'm being joined by the founder, 6 00:00:16,269 --> 00:00:17,359 sort of builder, 7 00:00:17,359 --> 00:00:18,640 the brewmaster, 8 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:20,320 the funder, 9 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:21,760 what else did you do? 10 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:22,480 Toilet boy washer. 11 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:23,280 Plumber. 12 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:23,559 Yeah, 13 00:00:23,559 --> 00:00:24,160 you name it. 14 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:25,359 It's happening like that. 15 00:00:25,359 --> 00:00:26,649 Preston Andrini. 16 00:00:26,649 --> 00:00:28,079 Did I say that right? 17 00:00:28,079 --> 00:00:28,559 Mm-hmm. 18 00:00:28,559 --> 00:00:28,960 You did. 19 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:29,280 Nailed it. 20 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:30,000 I nailed it. 21 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:30,660 Thanks for coming out, 22 00:00:30,660 --> 00:00:30,879 man. 23 00:00:30,879 --> 00:00:31,149 Yeah, 24 00:00:31,149 --> 00:00:31,600 thanks for... 25 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:32,090 Yeah. 26 00:00:32,090 --> 00:00:32,799 I'm very excited. 27 00:00:32,799 --> 00:00:35,840 We talked about on the show that a few weeks back you guys had industry night. 28 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:37,729 We were honored to be invited. 29 00:00:37,729 --> 00:00:43,359 We showed up and we were pleasantly surprised that a brewery that just opened had so many good beers already. 30 00:00:43,359 --> 00:00:43,689 Oh, 31 00:00:43,689 --> 00:00:44,479 thank you so much. 32 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:45,049 I mean, 33 00:00:45,049 --> 00:00:49,280 usually it takes six months or so to dial your stuff in and not... 34 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:49,600 Well, 35 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:50,000 I mean, 36 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,000 maybe you've had six months to dial your stuff in. 37 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:52,640 I have for sure. 38 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:52,890 Yeah, 39 00:00:52,890 --> 00:00:54,090 six months has been like, 40 00:00:54,090 --> 00:00:54,240 yeah, 41 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:54,719 recent. 42 00:00:54,719 --> 00:00:56,159 We've been working on... 43 00:00:57,159 --> 00:00:57,679 Fortunately, 44 00:00:57,679 --> 00:01:01,106 we've had a couple of friends that we've been able to brew beers at 45 00:01:01,106 --> 00:01:04,583 their places and put them on at their places and get a little bit of 46 00:01:04,583 --> 00:01:07,909 feedback and do some beer festivals and stuff like that and again, 47 00:01:07,909 --> 00:01:09,079 get some feedback. 48 00:01:09,079 --> 00:01:18,959 And that's definitely helped make some corrections for us so we could hit it off here as good as it would let us. 49 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,519 To get a lot of Hayes Boy feedback at the festivals, 50 00:01:21,519 --> 00:01:21,760 like, 51 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:22,090 "Hey, 52 00:01:22,090 --> 00:01:22,400 bro, 53 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,730 not hazy enough." So here's the deal with the festivals. 54 00:01:25,730 --> 00:01:27,819 At least this is what I've... 55 00:01:27,819 --> 00:01:29,840 On the serving side, 56 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:31,799 what I've realized the pattern is, 57 00:01:31,799 --> 00:01:33,349 is there's guys that... 58 00:01:33,349 --> 00:01:34,599 There's hop heads, 59 00:01:34,599 --> 00:01:34,719 right? 60 00:01:34,719 --> 00:01:35,280 They're like, 61 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,709 "I want to smell it from a mile away. 62 00:01:37,709 --> 00:01:39,920 I don't want to see through it. 63 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:44,640 I want it to be near 8%." Juicy as can be. 64 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,790 And then there's the complete opposite is like, 65 00:01:48,790 --> 00:01:50,640 "I don't want anything bitter. 66 00:01:50,640 --> 00:02:00,719 Give me the lowest ABV lager that you have." And those are basically the two folks that at least are the most vocal like at these beer festivals. 67 00:02:00,719 --> 00:02:06,959 I think the third group is like those guys in their mid-40s who came up on like Stone IPA. 68 00:02:06,959 --> 00:02:07,760 And they're like, 69 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:09,599 "I want you to rip the enamel off my teeth. 70 00:02:09,599 --> 00:02:11,520 If I can see through it, 71 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:12,000 it's good. 72 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:12,729 This is hazy. 73 00:02:12,729 --> 00:02:15,439 This is bullshit." Those are always my favorite. 74 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,840 And we do have that here a little bit at the brewery. 75 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:21,759 But usually at the festivals, 76 00:02:21,759 --> 00:02:23,240 folks are trying to... 77 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:23,729 Well, 78 00:02:23,729 --> 00:02:24,000 again, 79 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,840 there's maybe two types of folks. 80 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:26,800 People are like, 81 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:27,099 "Hey, 82 00:02:27,099 --> 00:02:28,879 I want to try to drink everything here. 83 00:02:28,879 --> 00:02:30,159 So I'm going to take it easy." The challenge. 84 00:02:30,159 --> 00:02:30,889 I'm going to take it... 85 00:02:30,889 --> 00:02:31,120 Or yeah, 86 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:32,719 even the opposite of that. 87 00:02:32,719 --> 00:02:34,479 I'm going to take it as a challenge. 88 00:02:34,479 --> 00:02:39,039 Or people who are just trying to survive the day and they know they have a hill to climb. 89 00:02:39,039 --> 00:02:39,909 So they're like, 90 00:02:39,909 --> 00:02:43,520 "I'll only fill the taster up halfway." Again, 91 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:50,400 it's like the lager and IPA people that I see are populating those festivals. 92 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:51,379 I think you really... 93 00:02:51,379 --> 00:02:53,680 And I've poured for different breweries for a few different festivals. 94 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,990 I think you really find out which people are which the last hour. 95 00:02:57,990 --> 00:02:59,210 Because those are the people who are like, 96 00:02:59,210 --> 00:03:00,780 "I'll take anything in my glass. 97 00:03:00,780 --> 00:03:04,449 I'm just trying to keep this buzz going." Or you got the people who are still like, 98 00:03:04,449 --> 00:03:04,810 "Oh man, 99 00:03:04,810 --> 00:03:05,830 you ran out of the lager? 100 00:03:05,830 --> 00:03:06,110 Shit, 101 00:03:06,110 --> 00:03:09,419 that's too bad." So that really is like that line in the sand, 102 00:03:09,419 --> 00:03:09,870 I think, 103 00:03:09,870 --> 00:03:10,729 that last hour. 104 00:03:10,729 --> 00:03:11,740 "Keep piling it on. 105 00:03:11,740 --> 00:03:14,560 What do you mean you can't serve me anymore?" Yeah. 106 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,599 And we're just hoping to run out so the kegs aren't as heavy. 107 00:03:17,599 --> 00:03:17,740 Right. 108 00:03:17,740 --> 00:03:18,319 You don't want to carry it back. 109 00:03:18,319 --> 00:03:19,280 Taking it back to the truck. 110 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:20,340 That's always my favorite. 111 00:03:20,340 --> 00:03:20,800 It's like, 112 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:21,120 "Hey guys, 113 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:21,840 15 minutes left. 114 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:22,719 Stop serving." Like, 115 00:03:22,719 --> 00:03:23,080 "Yeah, 116 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:23,719 no problem. 117 00:03:23,719 --> 00:03:28,159 They're not pouring over here on the side." I remember one brewery was like, 118 00:03:28,159 --> 00:03:30,030 "We can't serve you anymore, 119 00:03:30,030 --> 00:03:37,199 but I'm not physically going to stop you from coming over here and pouring this tap handle because I'm not allowed to touch the guests." I get it. 120 00:03:37,199 --> 00:03:37,650 He's like, 121 00:03:37,650 --> 00:03:39,759 "And I don't want full kegs to go back with me." Yeah. 122 00:03:39,759 --> 00:03:40,400 Anyways, 123 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:40,830 all right. 124 00:03:40,830 --> 00:03:42,409 Enough about beer festivals. 125 00:03:42,409 --> 00:03:43,120 So like we were saying, 126 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,379 we're going to find out about Red Engine Brewing. 127 00:03:45,379 --> 00:03:48,000 We're going to find out about Preston and his background, 128 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:48,750 story of all this, 129 00:03:48,750 --> 00:03:49,840 everything in between. 130 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:51,360 Before we get into that, 131 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:52,710 let's break some ice. 132 00:03:52,710 --> 00:03:54,000 Let's start with the beer. 133 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:54,400 Okay. 134 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:55,030 Yeah, 135 00:03:55,030 --> 00:03:55,370 which one? 136 00:03:55,370 --> 00:03:56,000 You pick. 137 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:56,259 All right, 138 00:03:56,259 --> 00:03:56,639 which one should we pick? 139 00:03:56,639 --> 00:03:59,439 Would you have a flight in front of us for folks that can't see it? 140 00:03:59,439 --> 00:04:01,039 There'll be pictures on the gram or anything. 141 00:04:01,039 --> 00:04:01,500 Well, 142 00:04:01,500 --> 00:04:04,159 let's just start it off with the Java bump. 143 00:04:04,159 --> 00:04:04,560 Let's do it. 144 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:05,199 It's closest to you. 145 00:04:05,199 --> 00:04:05,680 May I? 146 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:06,259 Yeah, 147 00:04:06,259 --> 00:04:06,759 please. 148 00:04:06,860 --> 00:04:07,759 Tell us about Java bump. 149 00:04:07,759 --> 00:04:08,560 By the way, 150 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:09,919 Industry Night a few weeks ago, 151 00:04:09,919 --> 00:04:11,280 this was my favorite beer of the night. 152 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:15,750 I actually made this beer for the first time in my garage. 153 00:04:15,750 --> 00:04:19,850 And the concept was behind for a period of time, 154 00:04:19,850 --> 00:04:24,639 there was a white stout phase where people were doing similar things. 155 00:04:24,639 --> 00:04:25,680 I love that phase. 156 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:26,170 Yeah. 157 00:04:26,170 --> 00:04:27,759 So this is our continuation of it. 158 00:04:27,759 --> 00:04:31,360 But it's a base blonde and the hop is cascaded. 159 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:32,399 It's really low ABV. 160 00:04:32,399 --> 00:04:35,279 I made it with cold brew coffee. 161 00:04:35,420 --> 00:04:36,800 So it did change the color of it. 162 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,920 And then I made it in its current format, 163 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:48,720 which is like a whole bean where it still looks golden and it has that coffee aroma and coffee flavor for sure. 164 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,519 Do you dry hop it for lack of a better term on beans? 165 00:04:51,519 --> 00:04:53,360 That's exactly how this is made. 166 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:57,290 The whole beans go in the fermenter after it's fermented out. 167 00:04:57,290 --> 00:05:00,879 And we do a similar three days prior to kegging or canning it. 168 00:05:00,879 --> 00:05:04,000 I think we use 18 pounds of coffee. 169 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:04,639 Total or per barrel? 170 00:05:04,649 --> 00:05:05,709 Per beans. 171 00:05:05,709 --> 00:05:06,480 For 15 barrels. 172 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,480 So it's a little over a pound a barrel. 173 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:08,800 Okay. 174 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:10,560 So not the cheapest beer you'll ever make. 175 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:10,800 No. 176 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:11,120 No, 177 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:11,689 I mean, 178 00:05:11,689 --> 00:05:15,120 it's not cheaper than just the blonde by itself for sure. 179 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,050 But I think it gives it that dimension. 180 00:05:18,050 --> 00:05:19,670 It's like the values there. 181 00:05:19,670 --> 00:05:23,910 And then we partnered with Ragamuffin Roastery and out of Newberry and Oxnard, 182 00:05:23,910 --> 00:05:25,360 they have some locations. 183 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,939 And the guys over there were super solid, 184 00:05:27,939 --> 00:05:29,209 as we mentioned before, 185 00:05:29,209 --> 00:05:30,720 the record button got hit. 186 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:32,589 We went over there, 187 00:05:32,589 --> 00:05:33,839 did a cupping. 188 00:05:34,639 --> 00:05:37,730 And drank way too much coffee that day. 189 00:05:37,730 --> 00:05:41,310 And walked out of there levitating. 190 00:05:41,310 --> 00:05:43,699 It was a lot of caffeine. 191 00:05:43,699 --> 00:05:45,660 But learned a lot about coffee. 192 00:05:45,660 --> 00:05:50,589 And this varietal is called Poccas and it's out of South America. 193 00:05:50,589 --> 00:05:52,490 And it's a light roast, 194 00:05:52,490 --> 00:05:55,410 barely touching medium roast. 195 00:05:55,410 --> 00:06:00,870 And they just got this varietal out of a farm down there that they do business with. 196 00:06:00,870 --> 00:06:02,379 It's a new varietal for the farm. 197 00:06:02,379 --> 00:06:04,879 It's a new varietal for them. 198 00:06:04,879 --> 00:06:06,350 And it was delicious. 199 00:06:06,350 --> 00:06:08,319 It's the coffee format. 200 00:06:08,319 --> 00:06:10,000 And so we did some... 201 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:15,279 I brought over our blonde and we took coffee and just put it in different... 202 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:16,160 Little coupé action. 203 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:16,519 Yeah. 204 00:06:16,519 --> 00:06:18,639 In different increments and did a little raw. 205 00:06:18,639 --> 00:06:19,839 And we're like, 206 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:20,079 "Okay, 207 00:06:20,079 --> 00:06:24,680 I think this is in the wheelhouse and we'll see how it goes on the big system." Yeah. 208 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:24,800 Well, 209 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:25,529 it's great. 210 00:06:25,529 --> 00:06:27,279 You get so much coffee up front, 211 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:28,319 coffee on the nose. 212 00:06:28,319 --> 00:06:29,870 And we were joking beforehand, 213 00:06:29,870 --> 00:06:31,839 this is the ultimate breakfast beer. 214 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:32,589 Yeah. 215 00:06:32,589 --> 00:06:35,519 This is legit breakfast beer. 216 00:06:35,519 --> 00:06:36,480 What's ABV on it? 217 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,000 5%. 218 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:39,519 So right in that low, 219 00:06:39,519 --> 00:06:41,199 sessionable breakfast beer. 220 00:06:41,199 --> 00:06:41,569 Yeah. 221 00:06:41,569 --> 00:06:42,930 You can have a couple of these, 222 00:06:42,930 --> 00:06:44,480 just a couple of cups of coffee. 223 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,240 I think we should probably pair it with a breakfast burrito here or something like that. 224 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:48,529 Dude. 225 00:06:48,529 --> 00:06:49,360 Or breakfast pizza. 226 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:50,079 Could you imagine? 227 00:06:50,079 --> 00:06:51,600 Just bacon and... 228 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:52,279 Maybe... 229 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:52,649 My God, 230 00:06:52,649 --> 00:06:54,290 what's that called with the chips? 231 00:06:54,290 --> 00:06:54,959 Chili-Killies? 232 00:06:54,959 --> 00:06:55,160 Oh, 233 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:55,519 yeah. 234 00:06:55,519 --> 00:06:55,699 Oh, 235 00:06:55,699 --> 00:06:56,160 stop it. 236 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,800 We have to hit pause on this. 237 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,240 We go hit the kitchen real quick. 238 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:01,279 You got any chips back there? 239 00:07:01,329 --> 00:07:02,000 Yeah. 240 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:02,399 Yeah. 241 00:07:02,399 --> 00:07:03,519 This is phenomenal. 242 00:07:03,519 --> 00:07:04,720 I love coffee beers. 243 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:05,920 It's no secret on this show. 244 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:06,879 Really, 245 00:07:06,879 --> 00:07:07,360 really good. 246 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:07,839 Yeah. 247 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:18,480 My favorite thing about it is we'll have folks that come in and they'll see the coffee beer on the menu or the descriptor and they'll expect it to be dark. 248 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:18,639 Right. 249 00:07:18,639 --> 00:07:22,069 And then it comes out golden and transparent. 250 00:07:22,069 --> 00:07:24,129 And people are thinking... 251 00:07:24,129 --> 00:07:25,779 I think it's a little bit more approachable. 252 00:07:25,779 --> 00:07:27,120 People drink with their eyes a lot. 253 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:27,360 Yeah. 254 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,399 So just the way it looks in the glass, 255 00:07:29,399 --> 00:07:31,360 it's definitely approachable. 256 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:35,050 And then they might want something that's dark. 257 00:07:35,050 --> 00:07:38,240 And then we have our stout to kind of point them in the other direction, 258 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:39,129 which we'll get to here, 259 00:07:39,129 --> 00:07:40,160 maybe next or whatever. 260 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:40,480 Sure. 261 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:41,040 Yeah. 262 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:45,600 The future iteration of this beer might involve some vanilla. 263 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:45,920 Oh. 264 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,279 A little like Café Con Leche vibe or something like that. 265 00:07:49,279 --> 00:07:50,879 Maybe a little lactose in there. 266 00:07:50,879 --> 00:07:52,079 Maybe. 267 00:07:52,079 --> 00:07:53,279 Nitro. 268 00:07:53,279 --> 00:07:53,839 Nitro. 269 00:07:53,839 --> 00:07:55,040 There's a lot of... 270 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:56,560 Then you don't have to deal with the lactose. 271 00:07:56,699 --> 00:07:58,889 There's a lot of stuff that I think... 272 00:07:58,889 --> 00:08:00,319 There's a lot more fun to be had with this beer. 273 00:08:00,319 --> 00:08:01,069 Yeah. 274 00:08:01,069 --> 00:08:02,019 That would be fun. 275 00:08:02,019 --> 00:08:04,560 Does any of the caffeine come through into the beer? 276 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,519 So there is trace caffeine. 277 00:08:07,519 --> 00:08:07,759 Okay. 278 00:08:07,759 --> 00:08:09,600 I couldn't give you the milligrams right now, 279 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:14,800 but a friend of mine who makes a similar beer did send it out to a lab and there is some trace caffeine. 280 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:15,439 But not like... 281 00:08:15,439 --> 00:08:16,000 It's very low. 282 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:17,360 We're not talking cup of coffee or anything like that. 283 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:17,600 No. 284 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:18,639 Nothing close. 285 00:08:18,639 --> 00:08:18,959 Okay. 286 00:08:18,959 --> 00:08:19,519 Nothing close. 287 00:08:19,519 --> 00:08:20,160 Too bad. 288 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:20,500 Yeah. 289 00:08:20,500 --> 00:08:22,959 I'd be worried more about the alcohol than the caffeine. 290 00:08:22,959 --> 00:08:23,459 Yeah. 291 00:08:23,550 --> 00:08:24,589 Fair enough. 292 00:08:24,589 --> 00:08:25,680 Before we get into the brewery, 293 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:26,480 let's talk about you. 294 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,910 You're a captain at the Ventura City Fire Department. 295 00:08:29,910 --> 00:08:30,480 Still. 296 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:30,990 Not like was, 297 00:08:30,990 --> 00:08:31,680 but like... 298 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:31,839 No. 299 00:08:31,839 --> 00:08:32,230 No. 300 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:32,559 In fact, 301 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,399 I got off this morning like three hours ago. 302 00:08:34,399 --> 00:08:34,960 Yeah. 303 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:35,600 You're insane. 304 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,039 So first of all, 305 00:08:37,039 --> 00:08:38,159 thank you for your service. 306 00:08:38,159 --> 00:08:38,399 Yeah. 307 00:08:38,399 --> 00:08:38,720 You're welcome. 308 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:39,450 It's awesome. 309 00:08:39,450 --> 00:08:40,960 And are you nuts? 310 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:41,440 Yes. 311 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:41,840 Okay. 312 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:42,080 Yeah. 313 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:43,960 Full-time firefighter, 314 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,080 full-time brewer/owner. 315 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:47,370 Dad, 316 00:08:47,370 --> 00:08:48,240 husband. 317 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,000 Your wife must love it. 318 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:50,559 Hates it. 319 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:51,059 Yeah. 320 00:08:52,399 --> 00:08:52,779 I would say my hour... 321 00:08:52,779 --> 00:08:55,570 My social life is zero at this point. 322 00:08:55,570 --> 00:08:58,559 If you come into the brewery and say hi to me, 323 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,190 that's my social life at this point. 324 00:09:01,190 --> 00:09:03,980 But I asked for it and I'm down to grind. 325 00:09:03,980 --> 00:09:05,679 I like being busy. 326 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:10,009 The fire department is full of people just who love being busy. 327 00:09:10,009 --> 00:09:13,570 And I'm definitely one of those folks at the department. 328 00:09:13,570 --> 00:09:14,809 And then here at the brewery, 329 00:09:14,809 --> 00:09:15,370 it's like, 330 00:09:15,370 --> 00:09:15,820 "Yeah. 331 00:09:15,820 --> 00:09:16,799 Let's get down. 332 00:09:16,799 --> 00:09:17,970 Let's make it better. 333 00:09:17,970 --> 00:09:19,320 Let's push the project forward. 334 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,840 Let's have a good time." Let's work a bunch. 335 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:22,159 Yeah. 336 00:09:22,159 --> 00:09:22,399 Yeah. 337 00:09:22,399 --> 00:09:23,679 Tell us about the name. 338 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:24,399 So Red Angel Brewery, 339 00:09:24,399 --> 00:09:26,539 and obviously it ties to the fire department, 340 00:09:26,539 --> 00:09:27,789 but what does it mean to you? 341 00:09:27,789 --> 00:09:28,559 Why the name? 342 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:28,980 Well, 343 00:09:28,980 --> 00:09:29,789 first of all, 344 00:09:29,789 --> 00:09:32,320 I don't know how many names we went through, 345 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:38,740 but I'll approach this question from two angles. 346 00:09:38,740 --> 00:09:41,409 One was I was reading a book, 347 00:09:41,409 --> 00:09:42,480 How to Open a Brewery. 348 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,200 It was by the gentleman that owns Elysian. 349 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:45,750 Oh, 350 00:09:45,750 --> 00:09:46,159 okay. 351 00:09:46,159 --> 00:09:47,600 I can't remember his name right now. 352 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:47,840 Yeah. 353 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:48,070 Well, 354 00:09:48,070 --> 00:09:48,750 now it's Budweiser, 355 00:09:48,750 --> 00:09:49,279 but... 356 00:09:49,419 --> 00:09:49,789 Okay. 357 00:09:49,789 --> 00:09:53,159 But that gentleman wrote a book, 358 00:09:53,159 --> 00:09:53,840 and in the book, 359 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,080 it talks about how to pick a name. 360 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:56,399 Yeah. 361 00:09:56,399 --> 00:09:59,529 What things should you be looking for in a name? 362 00:09:59,529 --> 00:10:03,039 And how should people receive it, 363 00:10:03,039 --> 00:10:03,919 and etc. 364 00:10:03,919 --> 00:10:04,259 Well, 365 00:10:04,259 --> 00:10:05,559 one of the things... 366 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,690 They said basically there was three ways to pick a name. 367 00:10:08,690 --> 00:10:11,360 One was you name it after the area or the region. 368 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:11,759 Sure. 369 00:10:11,759 --> 00:10:12,330 Okay. 370 00:10:12,330 --> 00:10:13,960 So many people do that, 371 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,720 and that's the number one way to do it. 372 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:17,470 Right. 373 00:10:17,470 --> 00:10:17,970 Easy. 374 00:10:17,990 --> 00:10:18,820 Lots of things you get. 375 00:10:18,820 --> 00:10:23,129 You get buy-in from the community or people from that area or who are relating to the area, 376 00:10:23,129 --> 00:10:24,960 vacationing in the area. 377 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:33,440 So there's a lot of buy-in you can get with a name that's about a river or a mountain range or an area of just... 378 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:34,240 Street name. 379 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:34,960 Street name. 380 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:35,259 Yeah, 381 00:10:35,259 --> 00:10:36,279 all those things. 382 00:10:36,279 --> 00:10:37,669 So that was really cool. 383 00:10:37,669 --> 00:10:38,559 That was a good option. 384 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,240 We definitely explored it. 385 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:42,480 And then people had... 386 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,559 There were some counterarguments to it. 387 00:10:44,639 --> 00:10:45,000 "Hey, 388 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:51,980 if you take your beer outside of the area and people don't know the name of that mountain range, 389 00:10:51,980 --> 00:10:53,279 it might not make sense, 390 00:10:53,279 --> 00:10:56,929 or they might not have a way to tie into it." Yeah. 391 00:10:56,929 --> 00:11:01,679 People in Arizona aren't going to connect to "Insert name here from small city." Correct. 392 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:02,000 Yeah. 393 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:02,509 Correct. 394 00:11:02,509 --> 00:11:03,659 So it's good and bad, 395 00:11:03,659 --> 00:11:05,840 but it's a way to name your place. 396 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,690 And then the other one was like name it after yourself. 397 00:11:08,690 --> 00:11:12,799 So your family name or a name that represents you somehow. 398 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,519 That is part of our name. 399 00:11:15,519 --> 00:11:16,240 Okay. 400 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,879 And the last one was just something that defines you. 401 00:11:18,879 --> 00:11:25,029 So however you're defining your business or your person or the brewery, 402 00:11:25,029 --> 00:11:30,440 just something that you want to define the name. 403 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,669 So we took all that into consideration. 404 00:11:33,669 --> 00:11:38,419 And then I came up with about 100 stupid ideas that my wife properly just shot down. 405 00:11:38,419 --> 00:11:41,090 And I would send her five to 10 things a day like, 406 00:11:41,090 --> 00:11:41,450 "Hey, 407 00:11:41,450 --> 00:11:43,200 how about this?" And I'm like, 408 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:43,460 "Oh, 409 00:11:43,460 --> 00:11:44,500 this is going to be it. 410 00:11:44,500 --> 00:11:46,309 This is the one." I would send it. 411 00:11:46,309 --> 00:11:46,480 No, 412 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,480 it just crushed me for weeks. 413 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,230 One day I send her this thing, 414 00:11:50,230 --> 00:11:52,080 Red Engine Brewing Company, 415 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:52,720 and she's like, 416 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:54,509 "That's it." And that was it. 417 00:11:54,509 --> 00:11:56,129 The conversation was over. 418 00:11:56,129 --> 00:11:57,289 We checked the box. 419 00:11:57,289 --> 00:11:59,679 It was right on to design. 420 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:01,070 What would it look like? 421 00:12:01,070 --> 00:12:01,539 Obviously, 422 00:12:01,539 --> 00:12:01,919 it's red. 423 00:12:01,919 --> 00:12:03,970 And then that's the next thing I'll go into. 424 00:12:03,970 --> 00:12:10,509 One of the things that was important to me with my background in the fire department was bringing a little bit of that here. 425 00:12:10,509 --> 00:12:12,700 Our tagline is product of tradition. 426 00:12:12,700 --> 00:12:17,769 So the fire department has hundreds of years of tradition impeding progress. 427 00:12:17,769 --> 00:12:19,840 There's all sorts of jokes about it. 428 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:26,220 But there is a lot of tradition that to this day happened 50 years ago or five years ago, 429 00:12:26,220 --> 00:12:27,039 for that matter, 430 00:12:27,039 --> 00:12:27,440 or whatever. 431 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:28,559 It's ongoing. 432 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:29,690 It's not going to change. 433 00:12:29,690 --> 00:12:31,360 And beer brewing is really similar. 434 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,000 There's lots of traditional ways to make beer. 435 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:38,639 And it might not even be called said beer if it's not made like that, 436 00:12:38,639 --> 00:12:43,750 if it's not with a decoction mash or certain hops from the region. 437 00:12:43,750 --> 00:12:47,889 Do you want to call it that if it doesn't have those ingredients? 438 00:12:47,889 --> 00:12:50,340 So there's a lot of similarities there. 439 00:12:50,340 --> 00:12:55,080 But I always describe our brand as a fire engine. 440 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:56,129 So it's big. 441 00:12:56,129 --> 00:12:57,549 You can't miss it. 442 00:12:57,549 --> 00:12:58,840 It's capable. 443 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,879 The fire department does not call anybody else for help. 444 00:13:02,879 --> 00:13:04,720 They're capable. 445 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,149 And it's trustworthy, 446 00:13:07,149 --> 00:13:11,860 which you expect to see when you call them into your home at night. 447 00:13:11,860 --> 00:13:14,000 You've never met any of these people. 448 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,610 They come in the door like they own the place and they handle business. 449 00:13:17,610 --> 00:13:20,240 They make the problem go away as they should. 450 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:21,570 And that's the expectation. 451 00:13:21,570 --> 00:13:22,529 So they're capable. 452 00:13:22,529 --> 00:13:24,679 And then the last one is it's obviously red. 453 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:25,769 It's in the name. 454 00:13:25,769 --> 00:13:26,940 So that's our brand. 455 00:13:26,940 --> 00:13:27,769 And the name, 456 00:13:27,769 --> 00:13:31,629 I don't know if I hopefully answered the question completely enough, 457 00:13:31,629 --> 00:13:32,879 but that's how we got there. 458 00:13:32,879 --> 00:13:35,960 And going back to your hundreds of names and you said your wife decided on one, 459 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:37,679 you guys started planning it out and everything. 460 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,629 People should know she's a graphic designer. 461 00:13:40,629 --> 00:13:41,110 Yeah. 462 00:13:41,110 --> 00:13:44,519 Elizabeth has a bachelor in digital graphic design. 463 00:13:44,519 --> 00:13:44,960 Yeah. 464 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:46,289 And you can see it on the menus. 465 00:13:46,289 --> 00:13:48,889 The digital menus are all designed by her and they look great. 466 00:13:48,889 --> 00:13:49,279 Yeah. 467 00:13:49,279 --> 00:13:52,960 Despite hours of fighting against her on some of these things. 468 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,220 I didn't even want to name the beers. 469 00:13:55,289 --> 00:13:56,879 just call them what they are? 470 00:13:56,879 --> 00:13:58,820 I just wanted it to be like blonde ale. 471 00:13:58,820 --> 00:13:59,600 That's it. 472 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:00,100 Yeah. 473 00:14:00,100 --> 00:14:00,419 No, 474 00:14:00,419 --> 00:14:04,399 because there wasn't enough design involved in the decision. 475 00:14:04,399 --> 00:14:05,120 So like, 476 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:05,409 yeah, 477 00:14:05,409 --> 00:14:06,350 all aspects. 478 00:14:06,350 --> 00:14:10,399 She's definitely had a huge influence on definitely the way the place looks. 479 00:14:10,399 --> 00:14:11,190 Yeah. 480 00:14:11,190 --> 00:14:15,840 And the way the word marks look and the names and everything. 481 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:16,289 Yeah. 482 00:14:16,289 --> 00:14:17,399 She's a great job. 483 00:14:17,399 --> 00:14:19,200 And my wife can attest to the same thing. 484 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,519 I've sent her hundreds of podcast names and even like episode titles. 485 00:14:22,519 --> 00:14:25,210 Sometimes I'm trying to be cute and I'll send her all these options. 486 00:14:25,210 --> 00:14:25,549 She's like, 487 00:14:25,549 --> 00:14:27,120 "Nobody's gonna know the fuck you're talking about. 488 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,159 Just name it what it is." All right. 489 00:14:30,159 --> 00:14:30,750 Fine. 490 00:14:30,750 --> 00:14:31,840 You need that person though. 491 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:32,559 Like in your team. 492 00:14:32,559 --> 00:14:34,000 Somebody needs the shit on your dreams. 493 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:34,320 Oh. 494 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,080 You need that dream shitter. 495 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:37,159 Big hot steamy wine. 496 00:14:37,159 --> 00:14:39,200 Like just no... 497 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,679 Under no circumstances will you be doing that. 498 00:14:41,679 --> 00:14:42,080 Zero. 499 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:43,840 Let me tell you how dumb you sound right now. 500 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:44,080 Yeah. 501 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:44,720 We get that a lot. 502 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:44,990 It's good. 503 00:14:44,990 --> 00:14:45,490 It's good though. 504 00:14:45,519 --> 00:14:45,919 You need it. 505 00:14:45,919 --> 00:14:46,799 Good filter. 506 00:14:46,799 --> 00:14:47,470 A few weeks ago, 507 00:14:47,470 --> 00:14:48,879 you guys had your official grand opening. 508 00:14:48,879 --> 00:14:51,919 How has the reception been from the community? 509 00:14:51,919 --> 00:14:53,379 So man, 510 00:14:53,379 --> 00:14:57,200 I have so many good things to say about our community. 511 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,049 People have been reaching out, 512 00:14:59,049 --> 00:15:00,909 offering help, 513 00:15:00,909 --> 00:15:01,600 services. 514 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:05,259 I'm not an expert on a lot of things. 515 00:15:05,259 --> 00:15:09,740 So it's been helpful to have people come in the door unplanned 516 00:15:09,740 --> 00:15:14,150 and take a piece of time or work and run with it and probably 517 00:15:14,150 --> 00:15:17,919 do it better than I would have done it to begin with. 518 00:15:17,919 --> 00:15:20,490 So the community has been awesome. 519 00:15:20,490 --> 00:15:24,110 And we've gotten quite a bit of people from outside. 520 00:15:24,110 --> 00:15:24,730 Santa Clarita, 521 00:15:24,730 --> 00:15:25,139 Ventura, 522 00:15:25,139 --> 00:15:25,600 Moorpark, 523 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,080 Thousand Oaks have been making a little drive over the hill. 524 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:28,460 Yeah. 525 00:15:28,460 --> 00:15:29,919 A little bit of a commitment. 526 00:15:29,919 --> 00:15:30,799 Yeah. 527 00:15:30,799 --> 00:15:31,149 Yeah. 528 00:15:31,149 --> 00:15:31,799 To Fillmore. 529 00:15:31,799 --> 00:15:35,200 And so we're like 20 minutes away from pretty much anything else, 530 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:36,039 which isn't too far, 531 00:15:36,039 --> 00:15:38,639 but sometimes it's definitely farther than five minutes. 532 00:15:38,639 --> 00:15:40,480 So if your option is five or 20, 533 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,200 I appreciate the people who decided on the 20. 534 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:44,100 Yeah. 535 00:15:44,100 --> 00:15:49,860 So we've had great reception from the community locally. 536 00:15:49,860 --> 00:15:52,840 And there's no other brewery in Fillmore currently. 537 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:53,840 So we're... 538 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:54,799 Competition's low. 539 00:15:54,799 --> 00:15:56,059 Competition's low, 540 00:15:56,059 --> 00:15:57,090 but we're new. 541 00:15:57,090 --> 00:15:58,629 So educating... 542 00:15:58,629 --> 00:16:02,679 Some of the consumers coming in here have an expectation of... 543 00:16:02,679 --> 00:16:03,620 I don't know. 544 00:16:03,620 --> 00:16:05,759 It could be lots of other things, 545 00:16:05,759 --> 00:16:11,100 but there's not a brewery here to compare to. 546 00:16:11,100 --> 00:16:12,799 If you go to Ventura... 547 00:16:12,799 --> 00:16:13,440 Everywhere. 548 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:13,740 Yeah. 549 00:16:13,740 --> 00:16:14,799 There's 10 or 11. 550 00:16:14,799 --> 00:16:15,120 Yeah. 551 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:16,159 A little mini San Diego. 552 00:16:16,159 --> 00:16:18,720 So everyone knows what a brewery is in Ventura. 553 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:20,559 There's zero education going on there. 554 00:16:20,559 --> 00:16:22,720 The consumer is very intelligent. 555 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,440 They all have their favorites and they know what to expect. 556 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:26,799 They know exactly what to expect. 557 00:16:26,799 --> 00:16:27,200 Yeah. 558 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:38,000 So here we're surprising some people with the experience and with the offerings and then educating the rest of the group. 559 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,639 And is it true that you made your own tables? 560 00:16:40,639 --> 00:16:41,519 It is. 561 00:16:41,519 --> 00:16:42,399 Speaking of opening. 562 00:16:42,399 --> 00:16:43,129 Yeah. 563 00:16:43,129 --> 00:16:45,440 If you've been following us for the last couple of years, 564 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:45,759 thank you. 565 00:16:45,759 --> 00:16:48,799 It's been a little bit of time. 566 00:16:48,799 --> 00:16:50,799 It's been two years since we got the building. 567 00:16:50,799 --> 00:16:52,080 I remember first seeing you on the 'Gram. 568 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:52,980 You had two posts. 569 00:16:52,980 --> 00:16:53,200 I was like, 570 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:53,440 "Oh, 571 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:54,320 a new brewery coming in." Yeah. 572 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:55,559 "Check these guys out." And yeah, 573 00:16:55,559 --> 00:16:56,720 two years later... 574 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:57,120 Here we are. 575 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:58,240 We finally got some beer out of this place. 576 00:16:58,240 --> 00:16:59,120 But you did it. 577 00:16:59,120 --> 00:16:59,600 We did it. 578 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:00,799 Huge. 579 00:17:00,799 --> 00:17:07,220 Just getting over the finish line with this project was a huge accomplishment for me and for everybody involved. 580 00:17:07,220 --> 00:17:13,599 Definitely one of the biggest mountains we've climbed with the most aggravating of problems. 581 00:17:13,599 --> 00:17:13,859 Well, 582 00:17:13,859 --> 00:17:14,720 you're the first one here. 583 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,839 You're basically setting all the laws around it. 584 00:17:18,009 --> 00:17:18,240 Yeah. 585 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,400 The city had a lot of questions for us too. 586 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:20,640 Like, 587 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:20,880 "Well, 588 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:25,440 what are you going to do with the grain when you're done?" What's going to go down the drain? 589 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:26,240 That was a big one. 590 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,019 "What's going to go down the drain?" It's like, 591 00:17:28,019 --> 00:17:28,720 "Nothing." Right. 592 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:28,910 No, 593 00:17:28,910 --> 00:17:30,079 that wasn't what I said. 594 00:17:30,079 --> 00:17:30,480 Water. 595 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:30,880 But yeah. 596 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:31,880 Obviously, 597 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:35,920 didn't want certain things interrupting the water. 598 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:36,559 Right. 599 00:17:36,559 --> 00:17:40,000 The water department didn't want certain things affecting their operation. 600 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:40,240 Sure. 601 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:40,569 And so, 602 00:17:40,569 --> 00:17:44,519 as long as that didn't happen and we were playing within the rules and pHs were good, 603 00:17:44,519 --> 00:17:45,039 it was like, 604 00:17:45,039 --> 00:17:45,440 "Okay. 605 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:49,519 Continue." One of the things you were saying before we started was, 606 00:17:49,519 --> 00:17:49,680 like, 607 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:49,920 "Nale, 608 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:56,720 did you guys make your own tables and you're insane and you drove up to Paso and cut all the trees down?" But you were also... 609 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,440 If the construction crew was down a guy, 610 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,000 you were just calling friends and coming in and swinging hammers. 611 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:09,490 So let me touch on the tables really quick because a lot of guys put some time into that and would love the credit as they deserve. 612 00:18:09,490 --> 00:18:15,450 So I was in a rabbit hole one night on these epoxy tables on YouTube and I was like, 613 00:18:15,450 --> 00:18:17,039 "I think we could do this. 614 00:18:17,039 --> 00:18:21,850 I think this would be something unique that people would enjoy drinking or 615 00:18:21,850 --> 00:18:26,531 eating on or conversating on." And it might even be something that comes 616 00:18:26,531 --> 00:18:29,610 up in their evening where they're talking about 617 00:18:29,610 --> 00:18:32,240 how cool the table is or the environment. 618 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:36,000 It adds to the experience a little bit. 619 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:36,839 And so, 620 00:18:36,839 --> 00:18:38,890 I had this great idea. 621 00:18:38,890 --> 00:18:40,430 I didn't run by my wife. 622 00:18:40,430 --> 00:18:41,119 And I was like, 623 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:41,279 "Hey, 624 00:18:41,279 --> 00:18:41,920 we're going to go. 625 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:43,289 We're going to make our own tables. 626 00:18:43,289 --> 00:18:44,759 We're going to cut the trees down. 627 00:18:44,759 --> 00:18:46,710 We're going to take them to a sawmill and slab them out. 628 00:18:46,710 --> 00:18:48,150 We're going to kill and dry them. 629 00:18:48,150 --> 00:18:54,319 And then we're going to bring them back here and pour however many gallons of epoxy we poured into these things." It was like an endless amount. 630 00:18:54,319 --> 00:18:55,279 - How hard could it be? 631 00:18:55,279 --> 00:18:56,559 - That's what I thought. 632 00:18:56,559 --> 00:18:59,279 It took us like a year to build these things. 633 00:18:59,279 --> 00:18:59,920 - Holy shit. 634 00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:00,490 - Yeah. 635 00:19:00,490 --> 00:19:03,039 And then we welded the table frames too. 636 00:19:03,039 --> 00:19:05,109 Some good friends and neighbors, 637 00:19:05,109 --> 00:19:05,279 like, 638 00:19:05,279 --> 00:19:06,019 welders, 639 00:19:06,019 --> 00:19:08,559 and they helped us put the... 640 00:19:08,559 --> 00:19:09,599 And I don't know if you noticed it, 641 00:19:09,599 --> 00:19:11,039 but if you look at the side of the tables, 642 00:19:11,039 --> 00:19:12,160 it looks like a pint glass. 643 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,599 And that was part of the design on each end. 644 00:19:15,599 --> 00:19:15,789 - Oh, 645 00:19:15,789 --> 00:19:16,079 yeah. 646 00:19:16,079 --> 00:19:16,420 - Yeah. 647 00:19:16,420 --> 00:19:17,490 It looks like a pint glass. 648 00:19:17,490 --> 00:19:17,680 So, 649 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:21,279 it's like the devil's in the details a lot. 650 00:19:21,279 --> 00:19:22,549 I'm proud of them. 651 00:19:22,549 --> 00:19:25,039 They're definitely a unique piece. 652 00:19:25,039 --> 00:19:25,920 You can't buy it. 653 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:26,559 - Right. 654 00:19:26,559 --> 00:19:27,759 - They weigh like 500 pounds, 655 00:19:27,759 --> 00:19:28,720 so you can't steal it either. 656 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:29,039 I mean, 657 00:19:29,039 --> 00:19:30,079 it's not going anywhere. 658 00:19:30,079 --> 00:19:30,630 Yeah. 659 00:19:30,630 --> 00:19:32,559 The tables were a huge part, 660 00:19:32,559 --> 00:19:36,480 our contribution to what you see when you come in here. 661 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:43,039 And then I'm so thankful that I have a group of people to pull from at the fire department that usually are handy folks. 662 00:19:43,039 --> 00:19:43,519 - Sure. 663 00:19:43,519 --> 00:19:46,039 - And they're able to... 664 00:19:46,039 --> 00:19:49,740 As long as I had cold beer and lunch available, 665 00:19:49,740 --> 00:19:51,920 these guys would come in here and hammer it. 666 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:52,700 - Yeah. 667 00:19:52,700 --> 00:19:52,960 Worth it. 668 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,650 - I'm so thankful for them, 669 00:19:55,650 --> 00:19:58,000 for all the hours that they've donated. 670 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:58,410 - Yeah. 671 00:19:58,410 --> 00:19:58,720 Well, 672 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,680 you said you guys installed most of the brew equipment yourself. 673 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:02,019 - Oh, 674 00:20:02,019 --> 00:20:02,400 man. 675 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:02,720 So, 676 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:03,599 if you don't... 677 00:20:03,599 --> 00:20:04,160 - Like crazy people. 678 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:05,920 - So... 679 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,019 - It's not a small brew house, 680 00:20:07,019 --> 00:20:07,599 everybody. 681 00:20:07,599 --> 00:20:07,900 - Yeah. 682 00:20:07,900 --> 00:20:08,309 So, 683 00:20:08,309 --> 00:20:08,799 if you... 684 00:20:08,799 --> 00:20:09,390 So, 685 00:20:09,390 --> 00:20:11,200 you're here, 686 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:11,759 you can see it. 687 00:20:11,759 --> 00:20:12,319 So, 688 00:20:12,319 --> 00:20:13,839 all that came through the front door, 689 00:20:13,839 --> 00:20:14,450 which is like, 690 00:20:14,450 --> 00:20:16,640 you look at the front door right now and you're like, 691 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,480 there's zero possibility that any of that fits through the front door. 692 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:21,210 Well, 693 00:20:21,210 --> 00:20:22,079 when it comes out of the truck, 694 00:20:22,079 --> 00:20:22,880 it's all laying down. 695 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:23,359 - Sure. 696 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:23,829 - So, 697 00:20:23,829 --> 00:20:25,589 that's definitely better, 698 00:20:25,589 --> 00:20:27,059 like it laying down. 699 00:20:27,059 --> 00:20:28,720 But then when you get in here, 700 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,039 you got to pick it up. 701 00:20:30,039 --> 00:20:32,190 And not all of it is... 702 00:20:32,190 --> 00:20:34,480 It's not light duty stuff. 703 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:34,799 - Right. 704 00:20:34,799 --> 00:20:35,130 - Yeah. 705 00:20:35,130 --> 00:20:35,660 It's big, 706 00:20:35,660 --> 00:20:36,400 it's heavy. 707 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,039 You definitely don't want to drop it. 708 00:20:38,039 --> 00:20:38,880 That's not going to go well. 709 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,250 But we have... 710 00:20:41,250 --> 00:20:45,599 There's a specialty in the fire department called Urban Search and Rescue. 711 00:20:45,599 --> 00:20:46,000 - Sure. 712 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:51,680 - It's like useful stacking and restacking is like kind of the joke acronym, 713 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:52,000 but it's like... 714 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:52,640 - Real life Tetris. 715 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:53,170 - Yeah. 716 00:20:53,170 --> 00:20:54,029 It is really. 717 00:20:54,029 --> 00:20:56,799 But a lot of it is like with really heavy pieces, 718 00:20:56,799 --> 00:20:59,200 usually it's like de-layering a building that's fallen down. 719 00:20:59,200 --> 00:20:59,390 - Oh, 720 00:20:59,390 --> 00:20:59,680 okay. 721 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:00,250 - And so, 722 00:21:00,250 --> 00:21:05,519 you're de-layering it and you're lifting up slabs of concrete or rebar or cars. 723 00:21:05,519 --> 00:21:06,160 - Jeez. 724 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,079 - And you're looking for victims. 725 00:21:08,079 --> 00:21:08,400 - Yeah. 726 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,980 - And you're using all sorts of technology, 727 00:21:10,980 --> 00:21:18,720 search cameras and sonar devices and stuff like that to decide where or which pieces are going to get removed. 728 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:19,119 - Okay. 729 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:19,730 - Obviously, 730 00:21:19,730 --> 00:21:21,119 those guys were my first call. 731 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,279 I'm part of that team as well. 732 00:21:23,279 --> 00:21:23,759 And I was like, 733 00:21:23,759 --> 00:21:24,349 "Okay, 734 00:21:24,349 --> 00:21:27,170 I need guys who can take this stuff out, 735 00:21:27,170 --> 00:21:28,640 operate cranes, 736 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,000 understand weight distribution, 737 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:30,910 loads, 738 00:21:30,910 --> 00:21:38,140 and hopefully not drop any of this stuff that we've just spent quite a bit of coin on." Guys nailed it, 739 00:21:38,140 --> 00:21:38,359 man. 740 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:39,440 They came in here and... 741 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:40,480 - I don't see any dents. 742 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:41,450 - Nope. 743 00:21:41,450 --> 00:21:41,640 Yeah. 744 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:42,720 Nothing touched the ground. 745 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,279 It was really incredible. 746 00:21:45,279 --> 00:21:47,779 But it all came through the front door and yeah, 747 00:21:47,779 --> 00:21:48,960 made it in safe. 748 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:49,890 - That's pretty good. 749 00:21:49,890 --> 00:21:50,960 And it looks great too. 750 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,480 Nice and shiny and dent-free. 751 00:21:52,490 --> 00:21:53,039 - Dent-free, 752 00:21:53,039 --> 00:21:53,759 most importantly. 753 00:21:53,759 --> 00:21:54,000 - Yeah. 754 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:54,299 Well, 755 00:21:54,299 --> 00:21:55,359 speaking of brew house, 756 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:56,720 let's check in another beer. 757 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:57,529 - All right. 758 00:21:57,529 --> 00:21:57,750 So, 759 00:21:57,750 --> 00:22:00,960 this next beer is most likely our American Light Lager. 760 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:02,720 It's called First In, 761 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:03,970 4.6%, 762 00:22:03,970 --> 00:22:05,440 12 IBUs. 763 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,569 This is our crushable river beer, 764 00:22:08,569 --> 00:22:09,569 light body. 765 00:22:09,569 --> 00:22:09,920 I mean, 766 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:11,119 you could probably drink six of these. 767 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:12,319 - Challenge accepted. 768 00:22:12,319 --> 00:22:12,640 - Yeah. 769 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:17,210 A cool thing about this beer is the guy, 770 00:22:17,210 --> 00:22:20,079 the gentleman's name who we got the brew house through, 771 00:22:20,079 --> 00:22:20,960 his name's Josh. 772 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,200 He's a brewer himself. 773 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:28,319 He has a little side hustle of buying and selling and designing breweries and brewery equipment. 774 00:22:28,319 --> 00:22:29,680 - It's a fun side hustle. 775 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:30,250 - I know. 776 00:22:30,250 --> 00:22:30,759 I know. 777 00:22:30,759 --> 00:22:31,299 I know. 778 00:22:31,299 --> 00:22:32,660 He's a great guy too. 779 00:22:32,660 --> 00:22:32,799 So, 780 00:22:32,799 --> 00:22:34,799 we're going over... 781 00:22:34,799 --> 00:22:38,720 I'm kind of consulting with him on a light lager. 782 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:39,579 And so, 783 00:22:39,579 --> 00:22:46,970 we come up with this recipe and we ended up using an enzyme to really dry the beer out all the way. 784 00:22:46,970 --> 00:22:47,250 So, 785 00:22:47,250 --> 00:22:49,519 we use like a 3470, 786 00:22:49,519 --> 00:22:50,470 I think, 787 00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:51,829 ale yeast or, 788 00:22:51,829 --> 00:22:52,480 excuse me, 789 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,940 lager yeast in addition to this enzyme. 790 00:22:54,940 --> 00:22:57,200 And this thing finished under one. 791 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:57,450 So, 792 00:22:57,450 --> 00:23:01,039 it's 0.914, 793 00:23:01,039 --> 00:23:03,769 something like that on the gravity, 794 00:23:03,769 --> 00:23:05,279 which is extremely dry. 795 00:23:05,279 --> 00:23:10,970 And even though we only put in enough hops for whatever it is, 796 00:23:10,970 --> 00:23:12,400 like the 12 IBUs, 797 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:20,269 I think it accentuates a little bit of the hop or bitterness flavor a little bit more with that enzyme product. 798 00:23:20,269 --> 00:23:22,160 But fun beer to make. 799 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,450 It was a little bit of an experiment with the enzyme, 800 00:23:25,450 --> 00:23:27,279 but I'm happy with where it's come out. 801 00:23:27,279 --> 00:23:27,759 - Yeah. 802 00:23:27,759 --> 00:23:28,839 Absolute crusher. 803 00:23:28,839 --> 00:23:29,279 I mean, 804 00:23:29,279 --> 00:23:31,599 fucking boat beer to a T. 805 00:23:31,599 --> 00:23:31,940 - Yeah. 806 00:23:31,940 --> 00:23:33,359 It's a cooler, 807 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:34,329 a wake setter, 808 00:23:34,329 --> 00:23:37,039 and like a hot day on the river and you're... 809 00:23:37,039 --> 00:23:37,519 This is it. 810 00:23:37,519 --> 00:23:38,309 - This is it. 811 00:23:38,309 --> 00:23:38,839 Yeah. 812 00:23:38,839 --> 00:23:39,240 I mean, 813 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:40,240 it's classic. 814 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:41,359 You do get a little... 815 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,099 I don't get so much accentuated hop flavor, 816 00:23:44,099 --> 00:23:46,799 but more just like that bitterness on the... 817 00:23:46,799 --> 00:23:47,009 - Yeah. 818 00:23:47,009 --> 00:23:47,680 The bitterness up front. 819 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,230 - ...on the finish. 820 00:23:49,230 --> 00:23:50,400 A little pineness, 821 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:50,720 I guess. 822 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:50,960 - Yeah. 823 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:51,279 - Whatever. 824 00:23:51,279 --> 00:23:52,000 - 100%. 825 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:52,859 - But yeah. 826 00:23:52,859 --> 00:23:55,200 But not to all you not hop lovers, 827 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:56,559 not hoppy at all. 828 00:23:56,559 --> 00:23:58,880 You just get a hint of bitter on the end there. 829 00:23:58,880 --> 00:23:59,980 Absolute crusher. 830 00:23:59,980 --> 00:24:00,619 Very nice. 831 00:24:00,619 --> 00:24:01,440 What was it? 832 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:02,880 4.2. 833 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:03,200 - 2. 834 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:03,759 - 4.2. 835 00:24:03,759 --> 00:24:04,119 - Wait. 836 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:04,559 Hold on. 837 00:24:04,559 --> 00:24:05,269 4.6. 838 00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:06,640 I'm looking at the wrong data. 839 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:07,329 - Either way, 840 00:24:07,329 --> 00:24:09,680 you could have like 30 of these and live. 841 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:10,089 - Yeah. 842 00:24:10,089 --> 00:24:12,000 You're going to see another day for sure. 843 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:12,400 - Exactly. 844 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:12,880 - For sure. 845 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,450 - Talked about the building and the process a little bit. 846 00:24:16,450 --> 00:24:18,319 How did you decide on this spot? 847 00:24:18,319 --> 00:24:18,730 - Oh, 848 00:24:18,730 --> 00:24:19,279 good question. 849 00:24:19,279 --> 00:24:20,039 - And what was the spot? 850 00:24:20,039 --> 00:24:21,839 It looks like it might've been like a grocery store. 851 00:24:21,839 --> 00:24:22,359 - Yeah. 852 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,319 It was like a family dollar store, 853 00:24:24,319 --> 00:24:25,599 like the chain family dollar. 854 00:24:25,599 --> 00:24:26,000 - Okay. 855 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,359 - So I live in Fillmore. 856 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:27,759 - Okay. 857 00:24:27,759 --> 00:24:31,549 - We were looking everywhere except for here. 858 00:24:31,549 --> 00:24:33,759 And nothing against the town. 859 00:24:33,759 --> 00:24:37,039 It was just kind of the availability of commercial property. 860 00:24:37,039 --> 00:24:40,400 It was kind of like the main reason to look elsewhere. 861 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,000 There's just more options elsewhere. 862 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:47,440 And we were doing the typical thing where it was like three blocks off the main drag commercial, 863 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:48,000 tilt up, 864 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:48,960 tall. 865 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,279 We had like a wishlist of things. 866 00:24:51,279 --> 00:24:52,009 It was like, 867 00:24:52,009 --> 00:24:52,500 "No, 868 00:24:52,500 --> 00:24:53,650 we want good bones. 869 00:24:53,650 --> 00:24:55,000 We want it to be tall. 870 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,480 We want the electricity to be at least three phase. 871 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,440 We want gas." We had like a wishlist. 872 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,640 We were shopping mainly in Santa Clarita. 873 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:05,119 - Okay. 874 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:09,440 - A little bit like into like San Fernando Valley, 875 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,240 but the drive there was looking like, 876 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:13,279 "You can't do this every day. 877 00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:17,720 It's not going to be as sustainable." But we were looking in Santa Clarita, 878 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:18,319 Ventura, 879 00:25:18,319 --> 00:25:19,259 Thousand Oaks, 880 00:25:19,259 --> 00:25:19,920 Newberry, 881 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,890 pretty much anywhere in Ventura County was like fair game for us. 882 00:25:23,890 --> 00:25:26,019 And we had our wishlist. 883 00:25:26,019 --> 00:25:27,839 And then Elizabeth was like, 884 00:25:27,839 --> 00:25:29,970 "Why don't you check out that building? 885 00:25:29,970 --> 00:25:30,700 It's right here. 886 00:25:30,700 --> 00:25:31,599 It's like a mile away. 887 00:25:31,599 --> 00:25:33,279 Why don't you go check that out?" - Yeah. 888 00:25:33,279 --> 00:25:33,670 - Like, 889 00:25:33,670 --> 00:25:33,940 "Ah, 890 00:25:33,940 --> 00:25:35,519 I don't know." And then... 891 00:25:35,519 --> 00:25:36,400 - It's a grocery store. 892 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:37,119 You're being stupid. 893 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:37,279 - Yeah. 894 00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:40,640 And then it ended up being like... 895 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,319 So we changed our perspective on like to more, 896 00:25:44,319 --> 00:25:52,609 "Why wouldn't it work here or at that location?" And so I looked up some data on the Brewers Association. 897 00:25:52,609 --> 00:25:54,480 These numbers are across the country too. 898 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,319 So it's not specific to California, 899 00:25:56,319 --> 00:25:59,680 which has its own like twist and flavor on pretty much anything. 900 00:25:59,779 --> 00:25:59,920 sure. 901 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:00,420 Yeah. 902 00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:01,059 - On average, 903 00:26:01,059 --> 00:26:05,119 like 10,000 people can support a brewery. 904 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:05,920 - Okay. 905 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,339 - That's what the data says. 906 00:26:07,339 --> 00:26:09,450 So then you look at somewhere like Ventura, 907 00:26:09,450 --> 00:26:11,329 like what you've already talked about, 908 00:26:11,329 --> 00:26:12,519 it's got 10 breweries, 909 00:26:12,519 --> 00:26:13,569 maybe 11 brewers. 910 00:26:13,569 --> 00:26:15,500 It's got 110,000 people. 911 00:26:15,500 --> 00:26:15,839 Okay. 912 00:26:15,839 --> 00:26:16,880 - They're kind of maxed. 913 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:17,480 - Well, 914 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:17,940 I mean, 915 00:26:17,940 --> 00:26:18,940 it's... 916 00:26:18,940 --> 00:26:21,490 So then there's places like Portland, 917 00:26:21,490 --> 00:26:23,200 Maine that have... 918 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:24,559 I think Portland, 919 00:26:24,559 --> 00:26:28,960 Maine has the highest concentration of breweries per person in the town. 920 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,200 And it's like a ridiculous... 921 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:32,279 It's a ridiculous number. 922 00:26:32,279 --> 00:26:33,519 I don't remember it right now, 923 00:26:33,519 --> 00:26:37,119 but it was so far above anything that I knew about. 924 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:37,660 I was like, 925 00:26:37,660 --> 00:26:40,720 "Are you sure the numbers are right on that?" And it's like, 926 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,589 "That's what they are." So they're killing it there. 927 00:26:42,589 --> 00:26:43,039 That's great. 928 00:26:43,039 --> 00:26:44,440 Obviously, 929 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:45,829 people are drinking beer there. 930 00:26:45,829 --> 00:26:48,089 People are traveling there and drinking beer. 931 00:26:48,089 --> 00:26:49,039 It's working for them. 932 00:26:49,039 --> 00:26:49,359 - Yeah. 933 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:50,589 - But then I looked at Fillmore. 934 00:26:50,589 --> 00:26:51,039 I was like, 935 00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:51,200 "Well, 936 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,279 there's 18,000 people here and no breweries? 937 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:54,019 Wait a minute. 938 00:26:54,019 --> 00:26:55,279 I could do the math there. 939 00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:59,839 We should be able to survive according to the Brewer's Association," which isn't everything, 940 00:26:59,839 --> 00:27:00,319 but... 941 00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:00,720 - Sure. 942 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,000 It's a good starting point. 943 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:02,569 - Yeah. 944 00:27:02,569 --> 00:27:03,839 They know something about beer. 945 00:27:03,839 --> 00:27:04,160 - Yeah. 946 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:05,819 - So I'll take their word for it. 947 00:27:05,819 --> 00:27:08,319 And then really funny because the building had... 948 00:27:08,319 --> 00:27:10,890 It was not for rent, 949 00:27:10,890 --> 00:27:12,720 like Zillow or LoopNet. 950 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:18,559 There's some other commercial real estate apps and websites that will show you what's available, 951 00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:18,960 you know? 952 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,880 And it wasn't listed. 953 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,980 And then I came to the building, 954 00:27:22,980 --> 00:27:23,640 drove around it. 955 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,200 There's no information on the building. 956 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:25,599 - Weird. 957 00:27:25,599 --> 00:27:26,160 - Right? 958 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:27,759 And it's empty. 959 00:27:27,759 --> 00:27:28,720 And so I tell Elizabeth, 960 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:29,240 I'm like, 961 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:29,440 "Ah, 962 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:29,680 you know, 963 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:30,559 it's not... 964 00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:31,759 I don't think it's for rent." - Not for sale. 965 00:27:31,759 --> 00:27:32,150 - Yeah, 966 00:27:32,150 --> 00:27:32,859 whatever. 967 00:27:32,859 --> 00:27:35,309 I ended up asking a local real estate agent buddy. 968 00:27:35,309 --> 00:27:35,960 I'm like, 969 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,920 "Do you know who owns this place? 970 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,640 Or how do we get contact info? 971 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,519 There's nothing on it." - Yeah. 972 00:27:41,519 --> 00:27:44,000 - And he ends up calling some friends, 973 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:44,640 friends of friends, 974 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,950 and we end up getting the landlord contacted and call him. 975 00:27:47,950 --> 00:27:49,460 Ends up being a great guy. 976 00:27:49,460 --> 00:27:50,490 And we're like, 977 00:27:50,490 --> 00:27:52,390 "Can we do this or what?" Answer's yes. 978 00:27:52,390 --> 00:27:52,640 It's like... 979 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:53,200 - Sweet. 980 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,000 - Let's go. 981 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:54,799 - That's awesome. 982 00:27:54,799 --> 00:27:55,380 - Yeah. 983 00:27:55,380 --> 00:27:58,640 So that's a little bit of the story on how we ended up here. 984 00:27:58,640 --> 00:27:59,190 - Yeah. 985 00:27:59,190 --> 00:28:00,799 And it's on the main drag in town. 986 00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:01,039 - Yes. 987 00:28:01,039 --> 00:28:02,960 - And you're across the street from Taco Bell. 988 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,559 - Clutch. 989 00:28:04,559 --> 00:28:07,660 - Prior to our kitchen, 990 00:28:07,660 --> 00:28:07,839 clutch. 991 00:28:07,839 --> 00:28:08,660 Yeah, 992 00:28:08,660 --> 00:28:09,430 that was like, 993 00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:09,839 you know, 994 00:28:09,839 --> 00:28:10,559 visibility. 995 00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:10,960 - Yeah. 996 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,640 - How are people gonna know about us? 997 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:13,279 Like, 998 00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:14,640 how are they gonna find us? 999 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,319 It was like, 1000 00:28:16,319 --> 00:28:17,519 don't make it too hard. 1001 00:28:17,519 --> 00:28:17,910 - Right. 1002 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,089 - And there were some locations it was like, 1003 00:28:20,089 --> 00:28:20,509 "Okay, 1004 00:28:20,509 --> 00:28:23,359 we're the third building back after the cul-de-sac. 1005 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,180 You can't miss it." It's like, 1006 00:28:25,180 --> 00:28:26,480 you could miss it easily. 1007 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:27,200 - 14 cans? 1008 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:27,440 - Yeah. 1009 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:27,759 - Yeah. 1010 00:28:27,759 --> 00:28:31,250 - Find the right little strip of warehouses, 1011 00:28:31,250 --> 00:28:32,259 third left, 1012 00:28:32,259 --> 00:28:35,039 make sure you scratch your chin. 1013 00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:35,279 - Yeah. 1014 00:28:35,279 --> 00:28:37,920 - And then speaking of the build out and all this stuff, 1015 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,240 while you were planning and then building, 1016 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,200 you started the Built and Brewed podcast. 1017 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:43,920 - Yeah. 1018 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,079 - Which is not officially over? 1019 00:28:46,079 --> 00:28:47,200 - It's not over. 1020 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:47,470 - Okay, 1021 00:28:47,470 --> 00:28:47,759 good. 1022 00:28:47,759 --> 00:28:49,599 - It's on a little hiatus. 1023 00:28:49,599 --> 00:28:51,140 I listen to, 1024 00:28:51,140 --> 00:28:54,880 I'm sure like every brewer, 1025 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:55,680 brewery owner, 1026 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,380 or like people who work at like, 1027 00:28:57,380 --> 00:28:57,819 you know, 1028 00:28:57,819 --> 00:29:05,599 a lot of information that you can take in while you're driving or passively like in your headphones while you're on a run or something like that. 1029 00:29:05,599 --> 00:29:06,039 Podcasts, 1030 00:29:06,039 --> 00:29:06,640 like that's it, 1031 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:06,960 right? 1032 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:07,720 That's probably, 1033 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,720 I think it's actually one of the largest growing media. 1034 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:11,920 - It's huge. 1035 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:12,240 - Yeah. 1036 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:12,480 - Yeah. 1037 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,650 - And the trajectory's up, 1038 00:29:14,650 --> 00:29:15,440 right? 1039 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:15,940 - Yeah. 1040 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,779 - So I was listening to a bunch of beer podcasts about how to do this, 1041 00:29:20,779 --> 00:29:24,599 because do not confuse me with like a professional. 1042 00:29:24,599 --> 00:29:26,559 I do not know a lot of things. 1043 00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:27,680 - It's like I can put out a fire. 1044 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:28,150 - Yeah, 1045 00:29:28,150 --> 00:29:28,480 I can, 1046 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:28,849 yeah, 1047 00:29:28,849 --> 00:29:31,000 that we can check the box professional, 1048 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:31,369 but I, 1049 00:29:31,369 --> 00:29:31,930 you know, 1050 00:29:31,930 --> 00:29:37,359 I have like 20 years in that arena to know most of what's going on. 1051 00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:37,759 - Right. 1052 00:29:37,759 --> 00:29:39,230 - But here I don't. 1053 00:29:39,230 --> 00:29:41,990 And so podcasts were like a huge source. 1054 00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:42,799 You know, 1055 00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:45,420 I had bought a couple books on subjects I was like, 1056 00:29:45,420 --> 00:29:45,839 you know, 1057 00:29:45,839 --> 00:29:47,759 interested in that I wanted to reference. 1058 00:29:47,759 --> 00:29:48,160 - Sure. 1059 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,680 - But podcasts were really like one of the main sources. 1060 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,789 So I just felt like giving back to that the built and brewed, 1061 00:29:55,789 --> 00:29:57,279 like in the title, 1062 00:29:57,279 --> 00:29:59,680 it's like the first 10 episodes are all about building it. 1063 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,039 - Like who are you gonna need to contact? 1064 00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:01,599 Your lawyer, 1065 00:30:01,599 --> 00:30:03,200 your architects, 1066 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,119 your engineers, 1067 00:30:05,119 --> 00:30:05,480 you know, 1068 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:06,319 all these key players. 1069 00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:07,920 - You even get into marketing. 1070 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:08,579 - Marketing, 1071 00:30:08,579 --> 00:30:08,960 yeah. 1072 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:09,279 - Yeah. 1073 00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:10,400 - Business planning. 1074 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:11,039 - Mm-hmm. 1075 00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:12,059 - That was probably, 1076 00:30:12,059 --> 00:30:12,730 I don't know, 1077 00:30:12,730 --> 00:30:14,799 like eight to 12 months of my life. 1078 00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:15,119 - Sure. 1079 00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:17,220 - Have I ever been in a business plan for it? 1080 00:30:17,220 --> 00:30:17,599 No. 1081 00:30:17,599 --> 00:30:18,319 - Yeah. 1082 00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:18,690 - No. 1083 00:30:18,690 --> 00:30:20,559 I am proud of what we have though. 1084 00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:20,799 - Yeah, 1085 00:30:20,799 --> 00:30:20,940 oh, 1086 00:30:20,940 --> 00:30:21,440 absolutely. 1087 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:22,640 - But it, 1088 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:23,079 podcast, 1089 00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:23,680 man. 1090 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:23,839 - Yeah. 1091 00:30:23,839 --> 00:30:24,400 - It was, 1092 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:25,170 so anyways, 1093 00:30:25,170 --> 00:30:27,970 I'm just like put energy back into the system. 1094 00:30:27,970 --> 00:30:32,079 I sucked out like an incredible amount and I'm just trying to put some back in. 1095 00:30:32,079 --> 00:30:32,509 - Well, 1096 00:30:32,509 --> 00:30:38,019 and there's always something to be said about learning from someone who knows nothing about that space, 1097 00:30:38,019 --> 00:30:39,759 who's actually doing it at that point, 1098 00:30:39,759 --> 00:30:41,920 because like an expert could tell you, 1099 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:42,119 "Oh, 1100 00:30:42,119 --> 00:30:42,799 it's so easy to do X, 1101 00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:42,960 Y, 1102 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:43,680 and Z," but you're like, 1103 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:44,640 "I don't know what the hell you just said. 1104 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,000 Like that means nothing to me. 1105 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:51,599 Might as well speak in another language." But you're able to break it down into sort of layman terms because you don't... 1106 00:30:51,599 --> 00:30:52,079 - I'm a layman. 1107 00:30:52,079 --> 00:30:53,039 - You're a layman at this point, 1108 00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:53,440 you know? 1109 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:54,960 You haven't been doing it for years. 1110 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,799 You haven't opened five breweries or whatever. 1111 00:30:56,799 --> 00:30:58,039 So I listened to, 1112 00:30:58,039 --> 00:30:58,660 I think, 1113 00:30:58,660 --> 00:31:01,839 all or most of the episodes and content-wise like really, 1114 00:31:01,839 --> 00:31:04,130 really interesting if you're gonna start a brewery. 1115 00:31:04,130 --> 00:31:04,960 I think what you were doing was great. 1116 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:05,680 - It's a great place to start. 1117 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:05,839 - Yeah. 1118 00:31:05,839 --> 00:31:07,279 - It's definitely not the end all, 1119 00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:07,599 be all, 1120 00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:09,680 but it's like some good reference points. 1121 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,880 And then like anybody, 1122 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:16,319 all of the guests are the people we used to build this project. 1123 00:31:16,319 --> 00:31:16,720 - Yeah. 1124 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:17,440 And low-key, 1125 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,119 you kind of get your name out there before you're open. 1126 00:31:19,119 --> 00:31:19,839 - A little bit. 1127 00:31:19,839 --> 00:31:20,319 Yeah. 1128 00:31:20,319 --> 00:31:23,839 It's a good way to like get to know our brand or whatever. 1129 00:31:23,839 --> 00:31:24,069 Like, 1130 00:31:24,069 --> 00:31:24,319 yeah, 1131 00:31:24,319 --> 00:31:24,720 absolutely. 1132 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:30,319 - What would you say like the biggest one or two things that you were surprised that you learned during the whole process? 1133 00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:30,730 - Man, 1134 00:31:30,730 --> 00:31:32,160 how much time do we have on this show? 1135 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:33,119 - Start the timer. 1136 00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:36,109 - Number one thing is definitely time. 1137 00:31:36,109 --> 00:31:37,250 Like manage, 1138 00:31:37,250 --> 00:31:43,950 if you can manage your time and then the project's time and just become efficient at that, 1139 00:31:43,950 --> 00:31:46,119 you're gonna be miles ahead. 1140 00:31:46,119 --> 00:31:52,599 But what happened to me was I didn't understand how long it would take to do things. 1141 00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:53,359 And no, 1142 00:31:53,359 --> 00:31:57,730 I just ended up at double the time finally wrapping up the item. 1143 00:31:57,730 --> 00:31:58,960 And it was like, 1144 00:31:59,069 --> 00:32:01,259 it was just incredible how long stuff took. 1145 00:32:01,259 --> 00:32:03,599 And it wasn't anybody's fault. 1146 00:32:03,599 --> 00:32:05,839 It wasn't like people were dragging their feet or whatever. 1147 00:32:05,839 --> 00:32:11,859 It was just that an experienced person would probably be able to tell you, 1148 00:32:11,859 --> 00:32:12,079 "Oh, 1149 00:32:12,079 --> 00:32:18,339 that project's gonna take six weeks." And so the key is really just layering stuff because you're not going from, 1150 00:32:18,339 --> 00:32:19,210 it's not linear. 1151 00:32:19,210 --> 00:32:20,799 You're not going from one, 1152 00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:22,480 like A to B to C to D. 1153 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,400 You're doing like A through M at the same time. 1154 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,960 And hopefully stuff lands. 1155 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:33,039 - And you got A.1 and A.2 before you can even get to B and C. 1156 00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:33,470 - I mean, 1157 00:32:33,470 --> 00:32:34,869 we had these whiteboards. 1158 00:32:34,869 --> 00:32:37,839 We had these three whiteboards up when we were doing construction. 1159 00:32:37,839 --> 00:32:40,259 It was like contractor jobs, 1160 00:32:40,259 --> 00:32:41,210 Preston's jobs, 1161 00:32:41,210 --> 00:32:43,680 and whatever other- - It was like Ocean's 11. 1162 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:44,160 - Yeah. 1163 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:45,200 It was like the war, 1164 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,599 we call them war boards in the fire department. 1165 00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:48,160 It's like, 1166 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,359 "This is what you have to accomplish right now." And it's like, 1167 00:32:51,359 --> 00:32:54,019 there's not enough room on the board basically. 1168 00:32:54,019 --> 00:32:55,369 That's what it comes down to. 1169 00:32:55,369 --> 00:32:57,039 So time was definitely a huge lesson. 1170 00:32:57,839 --> 00:33:02,140 And then I would say the other lesson is really how you, 1171 00:33:02,140 --> 00:33:03,930 the dreamer, 1172 00:33:03,930 --> 00:33:05,599 the entrepreneur, 1173 00:33:05,599 --> 00:33:08,019 how you can manage yourself. 1174 00:33:08,019 --> 00:33:10,619 I don't want to get too into this, 1175 00:33:10,619 --> 00:33:11,430 but I had, 1176 00:33:11,430 --> 00:33:14,369 this last year was not the easiest year of my life. 1177 00:33:14,369 --> 00:33:14,720 For sure, 1178 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,500 this was the most challenging year of my life. 1179 00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:19,099 And there were some points where you're like, 1180 00:33:19,099 --> 00:33:20,819 "You gotta lie to yourself. 1181 00:33:02,509 --> 00:33:27,119 You don't know- - Not a clue. 1182 00:33:27,119 --> 00:33:28,559 - When you're gonna be able to do it. 1183 00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:29,349 And you just say, 1184 00:33:29,349 --> 00:33:32,559 "I think I could do this." And you just lie to yourself. 1185 00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:33,599 - Basically you make it. 1186 00:33:33,599 --> 00:33:34,210 - Yeah. 1187 00:33:34,210 --> 00:33:35,109 And then one day, 1188 00:33:35,109 --> 00:33:38,480 something will click and the task gets done. 1189 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:39,119 - Sure. 1190 00:33:39,119 --> 00:33:43,920 - But that's definitely the two things are managing yourself, 1191 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,440 your mental space, 1192 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:46,980 remaining positive, 1193 00:33:46,980 --> 00:33:48,599 remaining organized, 1194 00:33:48,599 --> 00:33:49,799 staying on task, 1195 00:33:49,799 --> 00:33:50,710 and then time. 1196 00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:52,240 And maybe they're like, 1197 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,680 maybe this is a web we're weaving together here. 1198 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,430 But if your life is not in order before you take on this project, 1199 00:33:59,430 --> 00:34:00,740 I don't want to burst the bubble, 1200 00:34:00,740 --> 00:34:02,400 but your life is not gonna be in order. 1201 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:02,640 - It's not gonna be easy. 1202 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:03,789 - And at the end of this thing, 1203 00:34:03,789 --> 00:34:05,039 you're gonna be a shit show. 1204 00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:08,820 - And we talked to your wife, 1205 00:34:08,820 --> 00:34:09,780 Elizabeth, 1206 00:34:09,780 --> 00:34:10,960 at Industry Night, 1207 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:16,000 and we were talking about the TVs and how you did not want the TVs. 1208 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:16,309 - Yeah. 1209 00:34:16,309 --> 00:34:16,590 Well, 1210 00:34:16,590 --> 00:34:17,800 I didn't want half of this shit, 1211 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:18,320 but yeah. 1212 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:18,800 - And she's like, 1213 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,039 "You have to have two." Because they're not TVs for games. 1214 00:34:21,039 --> 00:34:21,989 They're the menu. 1215 00:34:21,989 --> 00:34:23,449 And digital menus and stuff, 1216 00:34:23,449 --> 00:34:26,079 and we were telling her how good they looked. 1217 00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:27,510 But knowing what you know now, 1218 00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:28,130 you're open, 1219 00:34:28,130 --> 00:34:28,969 you're selling beer, 1220 00:34:28,969 --> 00:34:29,940 you're selling pizza, 1221 00:34:29,940 --> 00:34:31,920 is there one thing you would have done differently? 1222 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:32,800 - With the whole project? 1223 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:33,559 - Yeah. 1224 00:34:33,559 --> 00:34:34,139 Different layout, 1225 00:34:34,139 --> 00:34:35,130 different tables. 1226 00:34:35,130 --> 00:34:38,880 I wouldn't have gone up and built my own stupid tables and killed myself. 1227 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,400 - I probably would have let that one go. 1228 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:41,989 But no. 1229 00:34:41,989 --> 00:34:43,840 We had a good time doing it. 1230 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:44,269 - Yeah. 1231 00:34:44,269 --> 00:34:45,730 Is there one thing you're like, 1232 00:34:45,730 --> 00:34:46,110 "Shit, 1233 00:34:46,110 --> 00:34:47,130 I wish I would have X. 1234 00:34:47,130 --> 00:34:48,739 Now I know what I know." - Well, 1235 00:34:48,739 --> 00:34:50,880 I definitely wish I would have managed time better. 1236 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:51,280 - Okay. 1237 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:51,679 - You know? 1238 00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:52,320 - Fair. 1239 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,289 - We didn't do the best job there. 1240 00:34:55,289 --> 00:34:55,659 Here we go. 1241 00:34:55,659 --> 00:35:00,039 We have a kitchen where... 1242 00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:02,829 I don't know what the menu is going to be in two, 1243 00:35:02,829 --> 00:35:03,159 three, 1244 00:35:03,159 --> 00:35:03,940 10 years. 1245 00:35:03,940 --> 00:35:05,679 I don't know what it's going to be. 1246 00:35:05,679 --> 00:35:06,000 - Sure. 1247 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,639 - And we might be doing some real fucking hipster shit out of there. 1248 00:35:10,639 --> 00:35:11,840 We might be. 1249 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,449 I don't know if the kitchen is going to get there, 1250 00:35:15,449 --> 00:35:20,320 if we're going to have folks in there that have that level of talent or expertise, 1251 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,880 or even if the equipment's going to exist. 1252 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:23,119 - Yeah. 1253 00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:23,400 - Like, 1254 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:23,960 I don't know. 1255 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:24,630 I don't know. 1256 00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:26,940 But if you don't know anything about a kitchen, 1257 00:35:26,940 --> 00:35:27,519 don't do it. 1258 00:35:27,519 --> 00:35:35,340 - (laughs) - Because I about killed myself just trying to figure out the kitchen. 1259 00:35:35,340 --> 00:35:36,079 The workflow, 1260 00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:39,000 I don't know how many times the equipment's been rearranged in there. 1261 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,059 We've added an outlet because I thought it would be better over... 1262 00:35:42,059 --> 00:35:43,360 We need the mixer over here. 1263 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:43,599 - Sure. 1264 00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:46,159 - And then we get the outlet over here, 1265 00:35:46,159 --> 00:35:47,010 and then it's like, 1266 00:35:47,010 --> 00:35:49,380 "Who put the mixer over here?" - (laughs) - It's like, 1267 00:35:49,380 --> 00:35:50,079 "You can't... 1268 00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:51,869 That doesn't make any sense." It's like, 1269 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,760 man." - Just have a kitchen riddled with outlets now. 1270 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:54,000 - Yeah. 1271 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,079 Yeah. 1272 00:35:55,079 --> 00:35:55,519 All kinds now. 1273 00:35:55,519 --> 00:35:55,840 I mean, 1274 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:56,639 now it's like... 1275 00:35:56,639 --> 00:35:56,989 Actually, 1276 00:35:56,989 --> 00:35:57,840 now it's kind of a benefit. 1277 00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,519 - Because you're changing your mind like 30 times. 1278 00:35:59,519 --> 00:36:00,610 - Somebody needs to charge their phone, 1279 00:36:00,610 --> 00:36:01,199 hit the kitchen. 1280 00:36:01,199 --> 00:36:01,619 - Boom. 1281 00:36:01,619 --> 00:36:01,949 I mean, 1282 00:36:01,949 --> 00:36:03,360 we got outlets for outlets. 1283 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:10,719 - (laughs) - But the thing I would do different for anybody taking on a kitchen is you need a kitchen person. 1284 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,130 You need a chef. 1285 00:36:12,130 --> 00:36:15,599 And you need somebody with the education, 1286 00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:17,190 the background, 1287 00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:18,159 the food costs. 1288 00:36:18,159 --> 00:36:18,800 - Yeah. 1289 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:19,199 - The... 1290 00:36:19,199 --> 00:36:21,360 - Menu design. 1291 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:21,679 - Yeah. 1292 00:36:21,679 --> 00:36:22,809 The whole thing, 1293 00:36:22,809 --> 00:36:23,280 man. 1294 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:24,800 I don't even know what I'm talking about right now. 1295 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,400 - But you need that person. 1296 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:27,849 And that person, 1297 00:36:27,849 --> 00:36:30,719 that air quotes that person... 1298 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:31,119 - Right. 1299 00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:33,030 - That's a lot of the whole project. 1300 00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:35,199 Whatever it is that you're trying to... 1301 00:36:35,199 --> 00:36:37,900 Whatever puzzle you're trying to figure out, 1302 00:36:37,900 --> 00:36:38,960 you need that person. 1303 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:39,199 - Yeah. 1304 00:36:39,199 --> 00:36:40,869 - You need their expertise. 1305 00:36:40,869 --> 00:36:41,519 You need their... 1306 00:36:41,519 --> 00:36:42,000 - Everything. 1307 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,250 - Their foresight. 1308 00:36:43,250 --> 00:36:43,480 Yeah. 1309 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:44,559 You need to know their mistakes. 1310 00:36:44,559 --> 00:36:45,440 - Yeah. 1311 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:46,320 - Everything. 1312 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:46,639 - Yeah. 1313 00:36:46,639 --> 00:36:47,280 It's very true. 1314 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,940 - So that was definitely something I would bring in our scenario. 1315 00:36:51,940 --> 00:36:54,239 Like a kitchen expert earlier, 1316 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,250 prior to all the outlets. 1317 00:36:56,250 --> 00:36:58,159 Just at the very beginning. 1318 00:36:58,159 --> 00:36:58,570 - Right. 1319 00:36:58,570 --> 00:36:59,670 (laughs) - At the... 1320 00:36:59,670 --> 00:37:01,119 Have them talk to the architect. 1321 00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:01,429 - Yeah. 1322 00:37:01,429 --> 00:37:02,480 You'd have half the outlets. 1323 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:03,119 - Half. 1324 00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:04,320 - At best. 1325 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:04,719 - Yeah. 1326 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:05,739 - Before we move on, 1327 00:37:05,739 --> 00:37:07,679 let's crack open another one here. 1328 00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:07,849 - All right. 1329 00:37:07,849 --> 00:37:08,010 All right. 1330 00:37:08,010 --> 00:37:08,239 All right. 1331 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:09,039 - Where do you think we should go? 1332 00:37:09,039 --> 00:37:09,469 - Yeah. 1333 00:37:09,469 --> 00:37:10,440 Get after this one. 1334 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:11,579 So this is a smoke show. 1335 00:37:11,579 --> 00:37:12,500 This is our stout. 1336 00:37:12,500 --> 00:37:12,989 Okay. 1337 00:37:12,989 --> 00:37:14,079 So this is 4.2%, 1338 00:37:14,909 --> 00:37:16,400 dry Irish stout, 1339 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:17,659 23 IBUs. 1340 00:37:17,659 --> 00:37:20,710 So every time I talk to people about stouts, 1341 00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:22,639 I get cringy vibes. 1342 00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:23,889 Everyone's like, 1343 00:37:23,889 --> 00:37:24,340 "Ugh, 1344 00:37:24,340 --> 00:37:26,719 stout." It's thick. 1345 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:27,280 - Right. 1346 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:28,320 - It's heavy. 1347 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:29,119 - Marble oil. 1348 00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:29,610 - Yeah. 1349 00:37:29,610 --> 00:37:32,239 Those are the two descriptors I hear most often. 1350 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:32,639 And it was like, 1351 00:37:32,639 --> 00:37:32,880 "Okay. 1352 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:33,280 Well, 1353 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,719 clearly people do not like thick and they don't like heavy." - Right. 1354 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,119 - And what they mean by heavy is it doesn't weigh a million pounds. 1355 00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:40,539 It's just the mouth feel. 1356 00:37:40,539 --> 00:37:41,440 Or the ABV is high. 1357 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:42,309 - Right. 1358 00:37:42,309 --> 00:37:43,599 Barrel aged. 1359 00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:44,579 - Yeah. 1360 00:37:44,579 --> 00:37:45,190 Especially around here. 1361 00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:46,559 We've grown up with Firestone. 1362 00:37:46,559 --> 00:37:47,119 - Yeah. 1363 00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:48,559 - And we think of a Firestone stout, 1364 00:37:48,559 --> 00:37:50,400 you're thinking barrel aged and sticky. 1365 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:51,280 - You get a hammer. 1366 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:51,519 Yeah. 1367 00:37:51,519 --> 00:37:51,840 I mean, 1368 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,900 it's not like it's not good. 1369 00:37:53,900 --> 00:37:54,559 It's good. 1370 00:37:54,559 --> 00:37:55,000 - Sure. 1371 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,599 But you just don't want it on a normal everyday outing. 1372 00:37:57,599 --> 00:37:58,239 - Or I would say, 1373 00:37:58,239 --> 00:37:58,519 yeah, 1374 00:37:58,519 --> 00:37:59,840 like the everyday consumer. 1375 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,000 They're not looking for that. 1376 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,239 They're looking for something, 1377 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:03,590 I think, 1378 00:38:03,590 --> 00:38:04,960 that's just like approachable. 1379 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,079 - Especially when you're driving. 1380 00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:07,199 - Yeah. 1381 00:38:07,199 --> 00:38:08,269 - Let's consider things like that, 1382 00:38:08,269 --> 00:38:08,659 please. 1383 00:38:08,659 --> 00:38:09,280 Yeah. 1384 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:09,789 Like, 1385 00:38:09,789 --> 00:38:10,030 yeah, 1386 00:38:10,030 --> 00:38:10,659 you don't... 1387 00:38:10,659 --> 00:38:11,159 14%. 1388 00:38:12,460 --> 00:38:12,820 I mean, 1389 00:38:12,820 --> 00:38:14,800 if Uber's not available or whatever, 1390 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,000 don't even bother with that, 1391 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:16,239 man. 1392 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:17,440 That's not your jam right now. 1393 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,380 You're not going to be able to enjoy it all, 1394 00:38:20,380 --> 00:38:21,739 like a glass of it, 1395 00:38:21,739 --> 00:38:23,340 or maybe if you really like it too, 1396 00:38:23,340 --> 00:38:24,400 it's not going to work. 1397 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:25,260 So for us, 1398 00:38:25,260 --> 00:38:25,980 we said, 1399 00:38:25,980 --> 00:38:26,599 "Hey, 1400 00:38:26,599 --> 00:38:28,719 let's do a light-bodied, 1401 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:29,639 low ABV stout. 1402 00:38:29,639 --> 00:38:36,380 And let's get some non-stout drinkers to convert and try it out." And we achieved that. 1403 00:38:36,380 --> 00:38:38,889 We didn't use high protein malts. 1404 00:38:38,889 --> 00:38:45,849 We didn't use like wheat or oats or things that would like thicken up the viscosity of it. 1405 00:38:45,849 --> 00:38:50,460 And we kept the ABV down and we're happy with it. 1406 00:38:50,460 --> 00:38:55,769 I think the future of this beer could potentially be nitro or some variant of it. 1407 00:38:55,769 --> 00:38:57,139 But right now, 1408 00:38:57,139 --> 00:39:00,110 we're stoked with where it's at. 1409 00:39:00,110 --> 00:39:06,559 And I commonly see people get it in a flight and then order a pint because that was the beer that... 1410 00:39:06,559 --> 00:39:07,920 - That's like the ultimate compliment. 1411 00:39:08,530 --> 00:39:08,869 Yes. 1412 00:39:08,869 --> 00:39:09,380 Yeah. 1413 00:39:09,380 --> 00:39:11,829 And it's probably next to the Java bump, 1414 00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:20,960 it's probably the beer that surprised them the most as far as what they anticipated it being and then what they experienced. 1415 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:21,480 - Yeah. 1416 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:22,920 It's very easy to drink. 1417 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,090 I get a lot of roasty, 1418 00:39:24,090 --> 00:39:25,519 a little bit of coffee, 1419 00:39:25,519 --> 00:39:27,429 a little bit of chocolate on the nose, 1420 00:39:27,429 --> 00:39:28,730 and the flavor not far behind. 1421 00:39:28,730 --> 00:39:29,659 And like you said, 1422 00:39:29,659 --> 00:39:30,750 very thin, 1423 00:39:30,750 --> 00:39:33,869 not a protein shake by any stretch. 1424 00:39:33,869 --> 00:39:35,030 4.2, 1425 00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:36,719 easy drinking. 1426 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,039 I appreciate the easy drinking beers. 1427 00:39:39,039 --> 00:39:47,590 There's a brewery that will go unmentioned that has since closed down in our area that we didn't go to because all their beers were seven plus. 1428 00:39:47,590 --> 00:39:48,559 And it's like, 1429 00:39:48,559 --> 00:39:48,880 "Hey man, 1430 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:56,650 I want to go have a couple or three and then drive home." If I go have a couple or three of your seven and a half plus percent beers all day, 1431 00:39:56,650 --> 00:39:57,840 that's not happening. 1432 00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:58,400 - No. 1433 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,000 - So I can appreciate a bunch of sessionable beers. 1434 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:02,570 - Yeah. 1435 00:40:02,570 --> 00:40:03,800 And a long time ago, 1436 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:04,719 we were like, 1437 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,239 "Hey..." Because people would ask like, 1438 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:06,400 "Oh, 1439 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:07,920 what kind of beers are you going to..." Like at festivals. 1440 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:08,159 - Yeah. 1441 00:40:08,159 --> 00:40:10,199 - "What kind of beers are you going to make?" It's like, 1442 00:40:10,199 --> 00:40:10,719 I would always... 1443 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:11,599 - Hazies. 1444 00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:12,730 - Half jokingly, 1445 00:40:12,730 --> 00:40:13,590 I'd be like, 1446 00:40:13,590 --> 00:40:16,719 "I want to make beers that people drink." - Right. 1447 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:22,239 - And that wasn't supposed to be a burn or a diss on the person. 1448 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:22,960 Obviously, 1449 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,690 we want to make beer that people drink, 1450 00:40:24,690 --> 00:40:26,480 but I meant like drink more than one. 1451 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:27,090 - Yeah, 1452 00:40:27,090 --> 00:40:29,760 you're in the business of selling beer. 1453 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:30,380 - Thank you. 1454 00:40:30,380 --> 00:40:30,960 Yeah. 1455 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,679 Please drink more than one. 1456 00:40:33,679 --> 00:40:34,800 But yeah, 1457 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:35,440 if you can't, 1458 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:36,710 well then, 1459 00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:38,400 mission fail. 1460 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:39,440 - And at 4.2, 1461 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:40,719 it's not lacking anything. 1462 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:41,519 It's not like, 1463 00:40:41,519 --> 00:40:41,679 "Oh, 1464 00:40:41,679 --> 00:40:44,079 I wish I had a little more whatever." It's not lacking anything. 1465 00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:44,619 - I mean, 1466 00:40:44,619 --> 00:40:46,300 up close or across the table, 1467 00:40:46,300 --> 00:40:47,920 this looks like a stout. 1468 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:48,480 - Exactly. 1469 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:49,000 - I mean, 1470 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,059 after you pour it, 1471 00:40:50,059 --> 00:40:51,070 it's got like, 1472 00:40:51,070 --> 00:40:51,519 you know, 1473 00:40:51,519 --> 00:40:53,679 kind of a slightly brown head on it. 1474 00:40:53,679 --> 00:40:54,030 - Yeah. 1475 00:40:54,030 --> 00:40:55,360 A little bit of lacing leftover. 1476 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:56,530 - And it's like, 1477 00:40:56,530 --> 00:40:57,340 you know, 1478 00:40:57,340 --> 00:40:59,579 black or close to opaque black, 1479 00:40:59,579 --> 00:41:00,420 you know? 1480 00:41:00,420 --> 00:41:01,599 And as it looks, 1481 00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:02,559 it's like, 1482 00:41:02,559 --> 00:41:03,489 "What is that? 1483 00:41:03,489 --> 00:41:05,199 That's a stout." It looks just like it. 1484 00:41:05,199 --> 00:41:05,500 - What it should be. 1485 00:41:05,500 --> 00:41:05,679 Yeah. 1486 00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:06,400 - Just like it. 1487 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:07,440 - All right. 1488 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:08,650 Let's go back. 1489 00:41:08,650 --> 00:41:10,119 Let's go way back. 1490 00:41:10,119 --> 00:41:12,400 History for you as a drinker, 1491 00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:16,000 Were you like PBR guy in college or high school or... 1492 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,000 - Uh-huh. 1493 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,400 - Here's what I'll say. 1494 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,440 I actually did not have a drink till I was 21. 1495 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:25,840 - Okay. 1496 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,239 - But after that, 1497 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:28,400 I mean... 1498 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:29,199 - That's on the record. 1499 00:41:29,199 --> 00:41:29,519 - Yeah. 1500 00:41:29,519 --> 00:41:30,239 On the record. 1501 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:34,000 I was so worried about getting hired on the fire department. 1502 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:34,159 Like, 1503 00:41:34,159 --> 00:41:38,179 I couldn't mess it up for a beer at that point. 1504 00:41:38,179 --> 00:41:39,349 It wasn't worth it. 1505 00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:42,280 There was going to be plenty of beer drinking time after that. 1506 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:43,840 And then look at me now as like, 1507 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:44,559 you know, 1508 00:41:44,559 --> 00:41:47,030 a thousand gallons of Mexican lager, 1509 00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:48,489 like a hundred feet away from us. 1510 00:41:48,489 --> 00:41:48,789 Like, 1511 00:41:48,789 --> 00:41:49,280 Jesus. 1512 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:54,650 I think most people in this space are like a story most people can relate to. 1513 00:41:54,650 --> 00:41:56,550 I was having a great time with beer. 1514 00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:58,079 Mixed drinks were just like too much for me. 1515 00:41:58,079 --> 00:41:58,400 - Yeah. 1516 00:41:58,400 --> 00:41:58,960 Too sweet. 1517 00:41:58,960 --> 00:41:59,849 - Like Long Island, 1518 00:41:59,849 --> 00:42:00,480 it was like, 1519 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:01,079 "Oof, 1520 00:42:01,079 --> 00:42:01,679 I'm on my back. 1521 00:42:01,679 --> 00:42:03,519 What happened?" - Next morning's never good. 1522 00:42:03,519 --> 00:42:04,340 - Yeah. 1523 00:42:04,340 --> 00:42:05,789 And wine was cool. 1524 00:42:05,789 --> 00:42:07,539 I appreciate wine. 1525 00:42:07,539 --> 00:42:09,360 And we have wine here at the brewery. 1526 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:09,840 - How smart. 1527 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,380 - Which was like a joint, 1528 00:42:11,380 --> 00:42:14,400 just like a lot of people wanted to have wine here. 1529 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:14,960 So, 1530 00:42:15,139 --> 00:42:16,579 and since we had the kitchen, 1531 00:42:16,579 --> 00:42:18,000 like in your licensing, 1532 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,239 now you can have wine. 1533 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:21,260 We have a great Somali, 1534 00:42:21,260 --> 00:42:22,280 his name's Bryce. 1535 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:23,480 He lives in town. 1536 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:24,199 Highly educated, 1537 00:42:24,199 --> 00:42:25,920 knowledgeable guy about wine. 1538 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:26,079 So, 1539 00:42:26,079 --> 00:42:27,750 the joke that we have is like, 1540 00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:30,559 he's going to turn this place into a wine bar. 1541 00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:31,730 That's like his challenge. 1542 00:42:31,730 --> 00:42:32,630 Like challenge accepted. 1543 00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:33,360 Like if you can do that, 1544 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:33,760 great. 1545 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:34,079 - Yeah. 1546 00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:35,760 Like whatever sells. 1547 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:36,079 - Yeah. 1548 00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:36,619 And so, 1549 00:42:36,619 --> 00:42:37,820 he's all about the wine. 1550 00:42:37,820 --> 00:42:38,559 He comes in, 1551 00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:40,480 does staff orientation, 1552 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:41,039 education. 1553 00:42:41,039 --> 00:42:41,500 It's great. 1554 00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:41,840 that's awesome. 1555 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:42,719 - We love the guy. 1556 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:43,659 He's awesome. 1557 00:42:43,659 --> 00:42:44,530 But ultimately, 1558 00:42:44,530 --> 00:42:46,480 I started home brewing probably, 1559 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:46,719 oh, 1560 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:47,840 so funny story. 1561 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,150 My brother and I used to do amateur road racing, 1562 00:42:51,150 --> 00:42:53,199 like on racetracks with motorcycles, 1563 00:42:53,199 --> 00:42:54,400 like you're dragging your knee on the ground. 1564 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:55,599 That kind of stuff. 1565 00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:56,559 And so, 1566 00:42:56,559 --> 00:42:58,800 I did that for a while, 1567 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,949 like maybe like five years. 1568 00:43:00,949 --> 00:43:08,239 And I ended up getting into connecting up with a school and flying around the country and riding motorcycles at racetracks and teaching, 1569 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,050 ended up instructing people. 1570 00:43:10,050 --> 00:43:11,440 What a fun time. 1571 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:12,400 - I bet. 1572 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:12,650 - Oh, 1573 00:43:12,650 --> 00:43:12,900 man. 1574 00:43:12,900 --> 00:43:15,840 It was like the closest to professional motorcycle racer I could get. 1575 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:16,820 And so, 1576 00:43:16,820 --> 00:43:18,940 that was great. 1577 00:43:18,940 --> 00:43:19,519 Well, 1578 00:43:19,519 --> 00:43:22,789 I'm in Virginia at Virginia International Raceway, 1579 00:43:22,789 --> 00:43:24,090 if anybody's ever been there. 1580 00:43:24,090 --> 00:43:25,440 And it's a bitching track. 1581 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,309 And Elizabeth called me. 1582 00:43:27,309 --> 00:43:28,239 She's like, 1583 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:28,400 "Hey, 1584 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:29,599 am I water broke?" I'm like, 1585 00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:32,800 "I thought we talked about this." Like while I'm gone, 1586 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:33,039 like, 1587 00:43:33,039 --> 00:43:33,539 "Please, 1588 00:43:34,230 --> 00:43:35,489 don't have this baby." So, 1589 00:43:35,489 --> 00:43:35,829 I fly, 1590 00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:36,340 you know, 1591 00:43:36,340 --> 00:43:37,420 end up getting home. 1592 00:43:37,420 --> 00:43:38,480 I end up making it. 1593 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,119 Olivia's born in 2013. 1594 00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:41,440 - Okay. 1595 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:45,369 - And I talked to my brother who already had a kid at the time. 1596 00:43:45,369 --> 00:43:46,400 And I go, 1597 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:46,639 "Hey, 1598 00:43:46,639 --> 00:43:51,969 we can't go to the racetrack all weekend and do this anymore." Like, 1599 00:43:51,969 --> 00:43:54,880 what can we do at home that's, 1600 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:55,920 you know, 1601 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:56,539 just as fun, 1602 00:43:56,539 --> 00:43:58,019 but not taking up as much time, 1603 00:43:58,019 --> 00:44:00,239 and it's not taking us out of the house. 1604 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,570 We end up coming up with homebrewing and then, 1605 00:44:02,570 --> 00:44:02,960 you know, 1606 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,239 2013-ish. 1607 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:04,590 - Yeah. 1608 00:44:04,590 --> 00:44:05,599 Juice is expensive too. 1609 00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:05,909 - Yeah. 1610 00:44:05,909 --> 00:44:06,369 Thank you. 1611 00:44:06,369 --> 00:44:06,880 I mean, 1612 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:07,519 like, 1613 00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:08,960 what are we doing here? 1614 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,599 We got a $5,000 like beer kit in the garage. 1615 00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:12,010 So, 1616 00:44:12,010 --> 00:44:14,070 that's kind of where it went after was, 1617 00:44:14,070 --> 00:44:14,590 "Hey, 1618 00:44:14,590 --> 00:44:18,730 we're gonna make some beer at home." And so, 1619 00:44:18,730 --> 00:44:23,219 that's where it started for us was kind of like homebrewing. 1620 00:44:23,219 --> 00:44:23,519 You know, 1621 00:44:23,519 --> 00:44:26,400 that obviously got out of control like shortly thereafter. 1622 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:26,960 - Clearly. 1623 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:27,280 - Yeah. 1624 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:28,159 Here we are. 1625 00:44:28,159 --> 00:44:30,429 - Was there a specific beer that you're like, 1626 00:44:30,429 --> 00:44:30,639 "Fuck, 1627 00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:31,280 this is so good. 1628 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,400 I hope I can make something like this." - So, 1629 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,960 I think the first beer that hit that wasn't like completely infected... 1630 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,920 - Making sours from the start? 1631 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,130 - Yeah. 1632 00:44:41,130 --> 00:44:42,079 Was a Black IPA. 1633 00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:42,380 - Oh, 1634 00:44:42,380 --> 00:44:42,960 fuck yeah. 1635 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:43,699 - We were like, 1636 00:44:43,699 --> 00:44:44,059 "Dude, 1637 00:44:44,059 --> 00:44:46,039 what is this right now?" Like, 1638 00:44:46,039 --> 00:44:46,559 I like... 1639 00:44:46,559 --> 00:44:48,239 - So underrated. 1640 00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:49,119 - You can't buy it. 1641 00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:49,440 - No. 1642 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:49,860 - Like, 1643 00:44:49,860 --> 00:44:50,280 I mean, 1644 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,559 you're not going to Vons or Rouse or Albertsons. 1645 00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:52,949 And you're like, 1646 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:53,239 yeah. 1647 00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:54,710 There's a Black IPA on the shelf." Like, 1648 00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:56,880 you're getting that from a brewery for sure. 1649 00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,199 And that was one of the first beers that hit. 1650 00:44:59,199 --> 00:45:00,260 And we're like, 1651 00:45:00,260 --> 00:45:01,070 "Dude, 1652 00:45:01,070 --> 00:45:01,199 hey, 1653 00:45:01,199 --> 00:45:01,599 all right. 1654 00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:03,500 We could drink all this, 1655 00:45:03,500 --> 00:45:04,579 Keg." - Yeah. 1656 00:45:04,579 --> 00:45:05,139 Guess what? 1657 00:45:05,139 --> 00:45:05,679 Doesn't suck. 1658 00:45:05,679 --> 00:45:06,079 - Yeah. 1659 00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:06,320 - Yeah. 1660 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:07,400 That's awesome. 1661 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:07,639 Oh, 1662 00:45:07,639 --> 00:45:09,119 Black IPAs are so good. 1663 00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:13,039 And then between homebrewing and then now, 1664 00:45:13,039 --> 00:45:14,559 did you go get any training? 1665 00:45:14,559 --> 00:45:14,880 Did you... 1666 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:15,360 - Yeah. 1667 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:16,159 - On the job? 1668 00:45:16,159 --> 00:45:16,480 - So, 1669 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,880 I went to the American Brewers Guild in Vermont. 1670 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:19,199 - Okay. 1671 00:45:19,199 --> 00:45:21,949 - They have a brewing science and engineering program. 1672 00:45:21,949 --> 00:45:23,820 And it was like a six-month online thing. 1673 00:45:23,820 --> 00:45:26,880 Then you do a 10-day stint where you go out there and you do a hands-on. 1674 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,150 They have a classroom portion, 1675 00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:30,480 but that wasn't going to be feasible from California. 1676 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:30,719 - Sure. 1677 00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:31,630 - And with my job, 1678 00:45:31,630 --> 00:45:37,360 I wasn't going to be able to go out there for four months and just do four days a week at the brewery. 1679 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:38,559 I wasn't going to work. 1680 00:45:38,559 --> 00:45:38,719 So, 1681 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:48,309 we did the online program and went out there and met probably five or six guys I talked to on a weekly basis still that are in the beer business, 1682 00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:49,300 own breweries, 1683 00:45:49,300 --> 00:45:50,139 are brewers, 1684 00:45:50,139 --> 00:45:51,159 whatever. 1685 00:45:51,159 --> 00:45:51,280 So, 1686 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:52,559 that program... 1687 00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:53,860 Thank God for that program, 1688 00:45:53,860 --> 00:45:54,480 by the way. 1689 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,960 Steve is the guy who runs the American Brewers Guild. 1690 00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,469 And that is like for us, 1691 00:45:59,469 --> 00:46:02,019 if I didn't have that, 1692 00:46:02,019 --> 00:46:02,769 this thing, 1693 00:46:02,769 --> 00:46:03,030 for sure, 1694 00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:11,329 we would have made some really bad decisions earlier on and it wouldn't have made it. 1695 00:46:11,329 --> 00:46:13,769 We wouldn't have crossed the finish line. 1696 00:46:13,769 --> 00:46:18,480 But they also had a business planning thing for people who are interested in owning breweries. 1697 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:18,980 - Oh. 1698 00:46:19,039 --> 00:46:19,210 - And so, 1699 00:46:19,210 --> 00:46:21,309 they hooked us up with a small brewery... 1700 00:46:21,309 --> 00:46:21,789 Excuse me, 1701 00:46:21,789 --> 00:46:23,280 small business association, 1702 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:24,349 put us in contact. 1703 00:46:24,349 --> 00:46:24,719 Like, 1704 00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:25,090 "Hey, 1705 00:46:25,090 --> 00:46:27,679 if you don't know how to write a business plan, 1706 00:46:27,679 --> 00:46:29,000 contact these people. 1707 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,760 Their job is to help you write business plans." - Yeah. 1708 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,360 - And that worked. 1709 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:38,269 We got some guidance and I did a podcast actually with our guy, 1710 00:46:38,269 --> 00:46:38,960 Paul, 1711 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,559 here locally at College of the Canyons. 1712 00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:49,280 We didn't know the answers to and kind of thought he was being a jerk to us, 1713 00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:50,239 but he wasn't. 1714 00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:50,869 He was like, 1715 00:46:50,869 --> 00:46:51,050 "No, 1716 00:46:51,050 --> 00:46:51,199 no, 1717 00:46:51,199 --> 00:46:51,599 no, 1718 00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:51,760 no. 1719 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,920 You really need to look into this." - Stuff you gotta figure out. 1720 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:54,079 - Yeah. 1721 00:46:54,079 --> 00:46:56,000 You should really put some time into this. 1722 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:56,239 - Right. 1723 00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:57,519 - And he was right. 1724 00:46:57,519 --> 00:46:58,000 - Yeah. 1725 00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:58,619 He's a jerk, 1726 00:46:58,619 --> 00:46:59,599 but he's a right jerk. 1727 00:46:59,599 --> 00:46:59,920 - Yeah. 1728 00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:01,519 And he was at the grand opening like, 1729 00:47:01,519 --> 00:47:01,920 "Dude, 1730 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:02,480 I think... 1731 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:03,599 Way to go, 1732 00:47:03,599 --> 00:47:03,909 man. 1733 00:47:03,909 --> 00:47:07,820 You answered the hard questions and you figured it out. 1734 00:47:07,820 --> 00:47:13,039 You made it to the end and good job." - Is this the first commercial brew system you've brewed on? 1735 00:47:13,039 --> 00:47:14,079 - No. 1736 00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:20,670 I brewed on five and 10 barrel systems and I got to brew at a couple 20, 1737 00:47:20,670 --> 00:47:24,480 15 or 20 barrel systems with help. 1738 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:25,119 - Sure. 1739 00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:25,679 - And yeah, 1740 00:47:25,679 --> 00:47:27,199 but this is the first... 1741 00:47:27,199 --> 00:47:31,440 I wasn't asking for help while I was brewing. 1742 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:32,880 This is the first one for sure. 1743 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,920 - And how much can you put out on the system? 1744 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:36,630 - Oh, 1745 00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:36,789 annually. 1746 00:47:36,789 --> 00:47:37,619 So each... 1747 00:47:37,619 --> 00:47:39,519 So we have 30 barrel fermenters. 1748 00:47:39,519 --> 00:47:39,760 - Okay. 1749 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,099 - So I think we did like... 1750 00:47:42,099 --> 00:47:45,190 If you did ales all year and you turned them, 1751 00:47:45,190 --> 00:47:48,159 we do 750 barrels per fermenter. 1752 00:47:48,159 --> 00:47:48,719 - Okay. 1753 00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:49,239 - Okay. 1754 00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:50,030 So that's... 1755 00:47:50,030 --> 00:47:50,449 Oh boy. 1756 00:47:50,449 --> 00:47:51,929 We've had a couple of drinks. 1757 00:47:51,929 --> 00:47:52,559 750 times four. 1758 00:47:52,559 --> 00:47:53,199 - Times how many? 1759 00:47:53,199 --> 00:47:53,599 Five? 1760 00:47:53,599 --> 00:47:53,760 Oh, 1761 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:54,079 four. 1762 00:47:54,079 --> 00:47:54,360 - Well, 1763 00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:55,119 at least times two. 1764 00:47:55,119 --> 00:47:55,840 That's not... 1765 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:56,719 Or four... 1766 00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:57,119 15. 1767 00:47:57,119 --> 00:47:58,159 - I'll cut this part out. 1768 00:47:58,159 --> 00:47:59,019 It's 29, 1769 00:47:59,019 --> 00:47:59,599 right? 1770 00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:00,960 - It's around 3,000 barrels. 1771 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:01,679 15. 1772 00:48:01,679 --> 00:48:02,199 Yeah. 1773 00:48:02,199 --> 00:48:05,440 3,000 annually. 1774 00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:06,989 And then you throw the loggers in there. 1775 00:48:06,989 --> 00:48:08,739 They interrupt the flow. 1776 00:48:08,739 --> 00:48:09,900 But basically, 1777 00:48:09,900 --> 00:48:12,239 if we turned them all the time, 1778 00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,199 we'd be around like 3,000 barrels annually. 1779 00:48:15,199 --> 00:48:15,599 - Okay. 1780 00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:18,639 And it looks like you have a little bit of room if you ever needed to expand. 1781 00:48:18,639 --> 00:48:20,320 - I think we could put in maybe two... 1782 00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:20,880 - One or two more. 1783 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:21,119 Yeah. 1784 00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:22,320 - Two to three more. 1785 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:22,719 - Okay. 1786 00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:23,369 - Yeah. 1787 00:48:23,369 --> 00:48:25,119 And we have the height. 1788 00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:25,519 - Yeah. 1789 00:48:25,519 --> 00:48:26,159 And then some. 1790 00:48:26,159 --> 00:48:29,360 - So we could do a 60 barrel in here. 1791 00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:29,760 - Yeah. 1792 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,599 - And still be fine. 1793 00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:32,250 - Yeah. 1794 00:48:32,250 --> 00:48:34,320 Pretty tall grocery store ceiling. 1795 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:34,559 - Mm-hmm. 1796 00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:34,880 - Yeah. 1797 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:35,659 Might I say, 1798 00:48:35,659 --> 00:48:38,239 good job putting soundproofing in the ceiling. 1799 00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:38,960 - Yeah. 1800 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,320 - Yeah. 1801 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:41,039 That's the worst. 1802 00:48:41,039 --> 00:48:42,480 When it sounds like a grocery store. 1803 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:42,719 - Yeah. 1804 00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:43,199 - Yeah. 1805 00:48:43,199 --> 00:48:43,920 Echoing. 1806 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:45,489 All right. 1807 00:48:45,489 --> 00:48:46,639 What is your focus? 1808 00:48:46,639 --> 00:48:48,239 Speaking of all this beer making, 1809 00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,070 what's your focus when it comes to beer making? 1810 00:48:50,070 --> 00:48:50,320 I mean, 1811 00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:51,210 obviously, 1812 00:48:51,210 --> 00:48:52,159 stuff people are going to drink, 1813 00:48:52,159 --> 00:48:53,389 so it sells. 1814 00:48:53,389 --> 00:48:55,380 But leaning towards classics, 1815 00:48:55,380 --> 00:48:59,119 is it what's cool and hip and cold IPA bullshit? 1816 00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:00,639 - I'm new to the beer space, 1817 00:49:00,639 --> 00:49:01,519 obviously. 1818 00:49:01,519 --> 00:49:01,920 - Yeah. 1819 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:09,960 - The things that I personally am focusing on right now are just being able to consistently do the same thing. 1820 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:11,429 I would say our Pro B, 1821 00:49:11,429 --> 00:49:12,519 the Blond Ale, 1822 00:49:12,519 --> 00:49:15,820 that beer I've made probably five or six times, 1823 00:49:15,820 --> 00:49:17,039 which isn't a lot. 1824 00:49:17,039 --> 00:49:20,269 But I would say throughout those five or six times, 1825 00:49:20,269 --> 00:49:23,079 the variance has been pretty narrow. 1826 00:49:23,079 --> 00:49:28,239 And we've been able to make that beer taste the same most of the time. 1827 00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:28,739 - Yeah. 1828 00:49:29,369 --> 00:49:29,980 - I mean, 1829 00:49:29,980 --> 00:49:36,480 the place where it's kind of changed a little bit was when I brewed it on our system, 1830 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:42,000 which was like five barrels larger than the 10 barrel that I was making it on. 1831 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,599 And the efficiency level was different. 1832 00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:44,000 - Sure. 1833 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:44,269 - So, 1834 00:49:44,269 --> 00:49:45,349 we're at like 80, 1835 00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:45,809 90, 1836 00:49:45,809 --> 00:49:47,039 90% efficiency. 1837 00:49:47,039 --> 00:49:47,280 - Wow. 1838 00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,940 - Which is pretty good for a commercial brew house. 1839 00:49:51,940 --> 00:49:53,199 That changed the flavor. 1840 00:49:53,199 --> 00:49:53,920 All of a sudden, 1841 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,559 there was a little bit more alcohol in there with the same amount of grains. 1842 00:49:56,559 --> 00:49:56,719 - Yeah. 1843 00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:56,820 - So, 1844 00:49:56,820 --> 00:49:57,030 I was like, 1845 00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:57,349 "Wait a minute. 1846 00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:58,079 What happened?" - Yeah. 1847 00:49:58,960 --> 00:49:59,429 - So, 1848 00:49:59,429 --> 00:50:03,579 consistency is kind of like my personal main focus. 1849 00:50:03,579 --> 00:50:04,719 And then just drinkability/approachability. 1850 00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,199 - Yeah. 1851 00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:12,639 - Being in like a new area and introducing ourselves to the community. 1852 00:50:12,639 --> 00:50:16,880 A lot of the people that come in here are between like 30 and 70. 1853 00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:18,400 - A little bit of a range. 1854 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:19,090 - Yeah. 1855 00:50:19,090 --> 00:50:25,070 It's really remarkable how many potential grandmas and grandpas are in here like having beers. 1856 00:50:25,070 --> 00:50:28,960 They're not trying to get blown away by an 18% pastry stout or whatever. 1857 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:35,010 They're having a good time with whoever they're with and they're having one, 1858 00:50:35,010 --> 00:50:36,559 maybe two beers. 1859 00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:37,199 So, 1860 00:50:37,199 --> 00:50:39,300 I think approachability, 1861 00:50:39,300 --> 00:50:41,170 drinkability. 1862 00:50:41,170 --> 00:50:44,800 And if this was like a target or like a range, 1863 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,670 we're just trying to hit it in the middle. 1864 00:50:46,670 --> 00:50:51,199 Does the West Coast IPA taste like traditional classic West Coast IPA? 1865 00:50:51,199 --> 00:50:51,760 Yes or no? 1866 00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:52,260 - Right. 1867 00:50:52,449 --> 00:50:55,039 we're just trying to get the yeses on most of them. 1868 00:50:55,039 --> 00:50:58,000 - Before you get too crazy. 1869 00:50:58,000 --> 00:50:58,510 - Yeah. 1870 00:50:58,510 --> 00:50:58,769 So, 1871 00:50:58,769 --> 00:51:02,099 where we want to get like a little outside the lines and like, 1872 00:51:02,099 --> 00:51:02,800 you know, 1873 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,159 is with collaborations. 1874 00:51:04,159 --> 00:51:04,480 - Yeah. 1875 00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:05,019 - So, 1876 00:51:05,019 --> 00:51:06,679 we're going to do a sour, 1877 00:51:06,679 --> 00:51:08,389 like an imperial sour, 1878 00:51:08,389 --> 00:51:09,750 heavily fruited, 1879 00:51:09,750 --> 00:51:10,960 like 9%er. 1880 00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,559 - I'm in. 1881 00:51:12,559 --> 00:51:13,059 - Yep. 1882 00:51:13,059 --> 00:51:13,170 So, 1883 00:51:13,170 --> 00:51:14,590 that's kind of where I think, 1884 00:51:14,590 --> 00:51:15,110 you know, 1885 00:51:15,110 --> 00:51:25,199 I'm going to have the opportunity to like learn how to make a kettle sour with all this fruit in it and what is that going to do to this equipment. 1886 00:51:25,199 --> 00:51:26,639 It's probably going to be a disaster. 1887 00:51:26,639 --> 00:51:28,480 - How many lines am I going to have to change? 1888 00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:28,800 - Yeah. 1889 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:29,170 So, 1890 00:51:29,170 --> 00:51:30,900 that kind of is going to be like the, 1891 00:51:30,900 --> 00:51:32,000 where we get, 1892 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,780 where we color outside the lines a little bit and like try some different stuff. 1893 00:51:35,780 --> 00:51:38,880 It's probably going to be in that collaborative setting. 1894 00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:39,519 - Smart. 1895 00:51:39,519 --> 00:51:40,380 - Where I have like, 1896 00:51:40,380 --> 00:51:40,880 you know, 1897 00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,400 the handler, 1898 00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:42,639 you know. 1899 00:51:42,639 --> 00:51:42,880 - Yeah. 1900 00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:44,800 - Somebody like reel me in a little bit. 1901 00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:45,199 Like, 1902 00:51:45,199 --> 00:51:45,579 no, 1903 00:51:45,579 --> 00:51:46,559 actually you don't want to do that. 1904 00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:47,320 - Right. 1905 00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:47,840 That's smart. 1906 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,159 - Is there a hop that you're currently crushing on? 1907 00:51:50,159 --> 00:51:50,510 - No, 1908 00:51:50,510 --> 00:51:50,889 dude. 1909 00:51:50,889 --> 00:51:52,480 My favorite hop is Idaho 7. 1910 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:53,119 - That's a good one. 1911 00:51:53,119 --> 00:51:53,900 - That's my, 1912 00:51:53,900 --> 00:51:54,880 that's in our hazy. 1913 00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,559 - You're using so many things. 1914 00:51:56,559 --> 00:51:57,219 - You can't, 1915 00:51:57,219 --> 00:51:57,590 yeah, 1916 00:51:57,590 --> 00:51:58,309 you can't. 1917 00:51:58,309 --> 00:52:09,199 I just heard somebody say last night on YouTube that they were using 5% of their hop ingredients was Idaho 7 in like a pilsner. 1918 00:52:09,199 --> 00:52:09,840 - Oh. 1919 00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:10,960 - And they were saying like, 1920 00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:12,159 it's such a small amount. 1921 00:52:12,159 --> 00:52:13,920 It doesn't really like, 1922 00:52:15,039 --> 00:52:16,539 you don't drink it and you're like, 1923 00:52:16,539 --> 00:52:16,739 oh, 1924 00:52:16,739 --> 00:52:17,599 this is Idaho 7. 1925 00:52:17,599 --> 00:52:23,230 It brightens up the existing hops that are in there just a little bit. 1926 00:52:23,230 --> 00:52:24,039 And I was like, 1927 00:52:24,039 --> 00:52:24,340 wow, 1928 00:52:24,340 --> 00:52:25,519 that's really, 1929 00:52:25,519 --> 00:52:25,760 okay. 1930 00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,460 Another like take on, 1931 00:52:27,460 --> 00:52:28,030 you know, 1932 00:52:28,030 --> 00:52:29,760 a Czech pilsner or whatever. 1933 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:30,079 - Right. 1934 00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:30,480 - So. 1935 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,159 - Add a little something to it. 1936 00:52:32,159 --> 00:52:35,280 Do you have any dream collaborations you're hoping to? 1937 00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,599 - Dream collaborate. 1938 00:52:37,599 --> 00:52:42,130 I'm actually just surprised anytime I like float it out to anybody and they're like, 1939 00:52:42,199 --> 00:52:43,119 we'd be interested in that. 1940 00:52:43,119 --> 00:52:43,469 I'm like, 1941 00:52:43,469 --> 00:52:43,920 really? 1942 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:44,320 You know, 1943 00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:44,719 like, 1944 00:52:44,730 --> 00:52:48,079 so I don't really have any dream collaborations, 1945 00:52:48,079 --> 00:52:56,809 but a dream for a collaboration would be anything that made it into like regular production or even like distribution, 1946 00:52:56,809 --> 00:52:57,440 you know, 1947 00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,320 that we could like continue to remake as our own or whatever, 1948 00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,400 as long as like the people were good with it. 1949 00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,800 Anything that would become like a mainstay, 1950 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:06,880 like that we just had such a response on, 1951 00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:07,280 like, 1952 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:07,840 oh man, 1953 00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:08,610 you cannot, 1954 00:53:08,610 --> 00:53:10,000 we do not run out of this, 1955 00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:10,239 please. 1956 00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:11,840 - We're not coming back if we don't make more. 1957 00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:12,280 - Yeah. 1958 00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,400 That would be a dream for a collaboration. 1959 00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,829 - Is there a next step for Red Engine now that you're open? 1960 00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:18,070 Like, 1961 00:53:18,070 --> 00:53:18,480 what are you? 1962 00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,099 - So year one is like, 1963 00:53:20,099 --> 00:53:23,360 let's just make it to the end of year one. 1964 00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:23,519 - Sure. 1965 00:53:23,519 --> 00:53:24,820 - The future for us, 1966 00:53:24,820 --> 00:53:27,809 we want to kind of do like a hub and spoke model, 1967 00:53:27,809 --> 00:53:28,960 like where we like, 1968 00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:29,750 maybe have, 1969 00:53:29,750 --> 00:53:31,010 we have two or three, 1970 00:53:31,010 --> 00:53:31,710 you know, 1971 00:53:31,710 --> 00:53:33,159 in a perfect world, 1972 00:53:33,159 --> 00:53:38,480 two or three tap rooms and we can service them here from like kind of the, 1973 00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:39,679 you know, 1974 00:53:39,679 --> 00:53:45,130 the main or the only location that has a brewery and kind of like dish to ourselves. 1975 00:53:45,130 --> 00:53:45,710 You know, 1976 00:53:45,710 --> 00:53:51,000 like we defined success earlier as we had three goals that we wanted to, 1977 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,320 we wanted to be in control of our own schedule, 1978 00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,550 want to get paid what we were worth. 1979 00:53:56,550 --> 00:53:57,920 That's not a number. 1980 00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:02,730 That's like what the people essentially tell you, 1981 00:54:02,730 --> 00:54:07,389 like how much of it they're going to buy and how much of it you can sell. 1982 00:54:07,389 --> 00:54:09,949 And then eventually how much you can pay yourself. 1983 00:54:09,949 --> 00:54:11,199 So whatever that number is, 1984 00:54:11,199 --> 00:54:12,659 and hopefully that number like, 1985 00:54:12,659 --> 00:54:13,119 you know, 1986 00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:14,550 moves up like along the way. 1987 00:54:14,550 --> 00:54:18,659 And then we just wanted to reduce exposure to like all sorts of anything. 1988 00:54:18,659 --> 00:54:23,340 But mainly I think that line means like just be in control of your future. 1989 00:54:23,340 --> 00:54:25,510 So the dream is like those things. 1990 00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:30,800 And then being able to go into like a convenience store or a grocery store and see your stuff on a shelf. 1991 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,610 Like that's the definition of success for us. 1992 00:54:33,610 --> 00:54:38,329 We can achieve those three things and see the product on the shelf or be in like grocery store line. 1993 00:54:38,329 --> 00:54:40,239 Somebody's got a four pack in front of you and be like, 1994 00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:40,349 man, 1995 00:54:40,349 --> 00:54:40,719 dude, 1996 00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:41,320 I'm like, 1997 00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,460 I'm gonna buy that four pack for that guy. 1998 00:54:43,460 --> 00:54:43,929 Like what? 1999 00:54:43,929 --> 00:54:44,559 Thank you. 2000 00:54:44,559 --> 00:54:46,389 Is that when you just start dropping those little like, 2001 00:54:46,389 --> 00:54:46,659 hey, 2002 00:54:46,659 --> 00:54:47,849 that's a good choice right there. 2003 00:54:47,849 --> 00:54:48,150 Yeah. 2004 00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:48,530 Oh yeah. 2005 00:54:48,530 --> 00:54:49,199 All day long. 2006 00:54:49,199 --> 00:54:49,679 Oh, 2007 00:54:49,679 --> 00:54:50,789 I've heard of that place. 2008 00:54:50,789 --> 00:54:51,139 Yeah. 2009 00:54:51,139 --> 00:54:52,159 Let me know how it is. 2010 00:54:52,159 --> 00:54:52,719 Yeah. 2011 00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:54,190 That's pretty good. 2012 00:54:54,190 --> 00:54:55,519 And any upcoming events, 2013 00:54:55,590 --> 00:54:57,849 any taproom events or anything? 2014 00:54:57,849 --> 00:54:59,519 So when this comes out, 2015 00:54:59,519 --> 00:55:01,519 I think the big thing for us is going to be, 2016 00:55:01,519 --> 00:55:03,519 we're going to start doing trivia on Wednesday nights. 2017 00:55:03,519 --> 00:55:08,039 We're going to work with King Trivia and get them out here. 2018 00:55:08,039 --> 00:55:10,360 And hopefully you might find us. 2019 00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:10,550 Yeah. 2020 00:55:10,550 --> 00:55:11,519 We might see you guys, 2021 00:55:11,519 --> 00:55:12,000 you know, 2022 00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:12,659 routinely. 2023 00:55:12,659 --> 00:55:13,309 St. 2024 00:55:13,309 --> 00:55:17,360 Patrick's Day is a big day for fire departments all over the country. 2025 00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,389 So we might be doing some green beer, 2026 00:55:19,389 --> 00:55:22,159 some kilts and bagpipes or something like that. 2027 00:55:22,159 --> 00:55:24,030 And then some haggis. 2028 00:55:24,030 --> 00:55:24,960 Yeah. 2029 00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:32,000 And then I think during the summer we will definitely have some new beers come out, 2030 00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,420 or we want to schedule some collaborations to happen in the summertime, 2031 00:55:35,420 --> 00:55:36,000 you know, 2032 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:36,400 when, 2033 00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:37,760 when beer drinking is peaking. 2034 00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:38,389 Right. 2035 00:55:38,389 --> 00:55:39,679 Peak beer season. 2036 00:55:39,679 --> 00:55:40,099 Yeah. 2037 00:55:40,099 --> 00:55:40,480 Yeah. 2038 00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:41,170 I like that. 2039 00:55:41,170 --> 00:55:41,599 Yeah. 2040 00:55:41,599 --> 00:55:41,920 All right. 2041 00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,590 Before the last thing I'm going to do is wrap it up with some rapid fire questions. 2042 00:55:45,590 --> 00:55:46,829 Do we want to get this last one? 2043 00:55:46,829 --> 00:55:47,139 Yeah. 2044 00:55:47,139 --> 00:55:47,619 Let's see. 2045 00:55:47,619 --> 00:55:49,030 But before we get to the rapid fire, 2046 00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:50,159 let's get to that last beer. 2047 00:55:50,159 --> 00:55:50,920 Okay. 2048 00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:51,199 Boom. 2049 00:55:51,199 --> 00:55:52,019 Here we go. 2050 00:55:52,019 --> 00:55:53,130 What do we got? 2051 00:55:53,130 --> 00:55:54,449 So this is the Pro B, 2052 00:55:54,449 --> 00:55:55,360 our Blond Ale. 2053 00:55:55,360 --> 00:56:01,440 I would say like the beer that kind of like we started with and we've made the most of. 2054 00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:02,559 This beer, 2055 00:56:02,559 --> 00:56:04,809 we talked about it a little bit with the Java Bump, 2056 00:56:04,809 --> 00:56:06,820 but they're kind of our coffee beer. 2057 00:56:06,820 --> 00:56:07,989 This is 5.5%, 2058 00:56:07,989 --> 00:56:08,880 23 IBUs. 2059 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:10,019 It's golden clear, 2060 00:56:10,019 --> 00:56:12,440 has a little floral bouquet in it. 2061 00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:17,980 Funny story about the hops in this beer is we went to the hop is Styrian Wolf. 2062 00:56:17,980 --> 00:56:24,809 I had bought a piece of a brewing equipment from a brewery that was unfortunately closing a couple of years ago. 2063 00:56:24,809 --> 00:56:26,130 And when we were leaving, 2064 00:56:26,130 --> 00:56:27,360 I saw like in their walk, 2065 00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:28,230 and they had like, 2066 00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:30,139 I don't know how many bags of this stuff. 2067 00:56:30,139 --> 00:56:30,559 I mean, 2068 00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:31,599 they had a lot, 2069 00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:31,840 like, 2070 00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:32,329 you know, 2071 00:56:32,329 --> 00:56:34,610 maybe like 70 pounds of this hop. 2072 00:56:34,610 --> 00:56:36,960 Overdid their contract a little bit. 2073 00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:37,199 Yeah. 2074 00:56:37,199 --> 00:56:37,809 I don't know how, 2075 00:56:37,809 --> 00:56:39,070 I don't know how they were using it, 2076 00:56:39,070 --> 00:56:40,130 but they had a crap ton of it. 2077 00:56:40,130 --> 00:56:41,199 It sounds like they weren't. 2078 00:56:41,250 --> 00:56:41,880 Yeah. 2079 00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:43,130 And I was like, 2080 00:56:43,130 --> 00:56:43,610 Hey, 2081 00:56:43,610 --> 00:56:45,920 what's going on with this, 2082 00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:46,639 this thing over here? 2083 00:56:46,639 --> 00:56:47,360 And they're like, 2084 00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:47,530 man, 2085 00:56:47,530 --> 00:56:47,980 if you want it, 2086 00:56:47,980 --> 00:56:48,190 like, 2087 00:56:48,190 --> 00:56:48,500 you know, 2088 00:56:48,500 --> 00:56:49,030 we'll give you, 2089 00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:51,039 we'll give you a good deal on it. 2090 00:56:51,039 --> 00:56:52,329 You're buying some other equipment. 2091 00:56:52,329 --> 00:56:52,630 Like, 2092 00:56:52,630 --> 00:56:52,789 yeah, 2093 00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:53,199 take it. 2094 00:56:53,199 --> 00:56:53,460 Yeah. 2095 00:56:53,460 --> 00:56:55,119 As long as it's not five years old. 2096 00:56:55,119 --> 00:56:55,610 Yeah. 2097 00:56:55,610 --> 00:56:56,590 And it wasn't. 2098 00:56:56,590 --> 00:56:57,639 And so I was like, 2099 00:56:57,639 --> 00:56:58,059 okay, 2100 00:56:58,059 --> 00:57:03,780 so we ended up taking it and that was the hop that ended up going into this blonde. 2101 00:57:03,780 --> 00:57:04,619 Cause we just had, 2102 00:57:04,619 --> 00:57:05,599 I had a bunch of it. 2103 00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:05,920 I was like, 2104 00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:06,159 Hey, 2105 00:57:06,159 --> 00:57:07,119 let's try it out. 2106 00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:08,039 You look at this, 2107 00:57:08,039 --> 00:57:09,920 the descriptors and you're like, 2108 00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:10,159 okay, 2109 00:57:10,159 --> 00:57:10,400 yeah, 2110 00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,000 this is going to fit in this style. 2111 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:13,440 And then we're still using it. 2112 00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:14,010 You know, 2113 00:57:14,010 --> 00:57:14,880 it's easy to get. 2114 00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:16,559 It's not a super expensive hop. 2115 00:57:16,559 --> 00:57:17,679 It's not super expensive. 2116 00:57:17,679 --> 00:57:18,630 Makes sense. 2117 00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:18,960 Yeah. 2118 00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:24,239 I was probably most surprised when we were here the first time with, 2119 00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:24,880 with two beers, 2120 00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,199 really this one and then the El Jefe. 2121 00:57:27,199 --> 00:57:29,789 I told you the night of industry night, 2122 00:57:29,789 --> 00:57:35,269 I am not a Mexican lager fan because usually they're too sweet and corn forward for me. 2123 00:57:35,269 --> 00:57:36,079 Yours is not. 2124 00:57:36,130 --> 00:57:39,510 I appreciate it's more like drinking a Pacifico in the best way possible. 2125 00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:43,460 And this one is like boat beer to a tea. 2126 00:57:43,460 --> 00:57:46,960 I want these in a cooler when I'm whiteboarding. 2127 00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:48,960 It's so easy to crush. 2128 00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:53,019 So we started bringing this beer to like beer festivals. 2129 00:57:53,019 --> 00:57:53,469 And, 2130 00:57:53,469 --> 00:57:55,550 and it was funny as like the lager folks, 2131 00:57:55,550 --> 00:57:57,119 like we didn't have the lager, 2132 00:57:57,119 --> 00:57:58,050 but we're like, 2133 00:57:58,050 --> 00:57:59,409 it were a lager at the time. 2134 00:57:59,409 --> 00:57:59,829 We're like, 2135 00:57:59,829 --> 00:58:00,019 Hey, 2136 00:58:00,019 --> 00:58:00,280 well, 2137 00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:01,559 why don't you try this blonde? 2138 00:58:01,559 --> 00:58:02,530 It's like lager adjacent. 2139 00:58:02,530 --> 00:58:03,440 Like you might, 2140 00:58:03,539 --> 00:58:04,789 it might be good for you. 2141 00:58:04,789 --> 00:58:05,090 Right. 2142 00:58:05,090 --> 00:58:06,719 And all of a sudden they're coming back like, 2143 00:58:06,719 --> 00:58:07,039 Hey, 2144 00:58:07,039 --> 00:58:09,760 can I get another hit on this blonde? 2145 00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:11,039 And like, 2146 00:58:11,039 --> 00:58:11,969 that was a compliment, 2147 00:58:11,969 --> 00:58:13,280 like from a lager drinker, 2148 00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:13,610 like, 2149 00:58:13,610 --> 00:58:14,110 you know, 2150 00:58:14,110 --> 00:58:15,489 so you're coming back for more. 2151 00:58:15,489 --> 00:58:15,599 Yeah. 2152 00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:17,360 And we've had fun making it. 2153 00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,190 It has got like a funny little history behind it. 2154 00:58:20,190 --> 00:58:22,789 It's I think it's definitely put us on the map. 2155 00:58:22,789 --> 00:58:24,630 Like people have appreciated it. 2156 00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:25,449 It's been good. 2157 00:58:25,449 --> 00:58:26,320 It's been good. 2158 00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,650 We want to keep making more of it for sure. 2159 00:58:28,650 --> 00:58:29,820 And the Mexican lager, 2160 00:58:29,820 --> 00:58:32,719 we got 30 barrels that we're going to keg next, 2161 00:58:32,719 --> 00:58:33,599 not this Monday, 2162 00:58:33,599 --> 00:58:34,789 but next Monday. 2163 00:58:34,789 --> 00:58:36,349 So we're sold out of it. 2164 00:58:36,349 --> 00:58:37,309 Currently. 2165 00:58:37,309 --> 00:58:40,099 I had no idea that beer was going to move that fast. 2166 00:58:40,099 --> 00:58:42,320 I was like really caught off guard. 2167 00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:43,230 And then with the law, 2168 00:58:43,230 --> 00:58:44,610 you can't catch up on a lager. 2169 00:58:44,610 --> 00:58:46,219 You're 68 weeks out on, 2170 00:58:46,219 --> 00:58:47,159 on that thing. 2171 00:58:47,159 --> 00:58:48,329 Like for sure. 2172 00:58:48,409 --> 00:58:49,039 That, 2173 00:58:49,039 --> 00:58:50,880 that beer has been successful here. 2174 00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,679 Both of these beers have been like front runners for us. 2175 00:58:53,679 --> 00:58:54,179 So. 2176 00:58:54,349 --> 00:58:55,559 That's now it's good. 2177 00:58:55,559 --> 00:58:55,980 It's, 2178 00:58:55,980 --> 00:58:56,610 you know, 2179 00:58:56,610 --> 00:58:58,559 it's hits that 805 spot, 2180 00:58:58,559 --> 00:58:59,260 you know, 2181 00:58:59,260 --> 00:58:59,679 perfectly. 2182 00:58:59,679 --> 00:59:00,349 Yeah. 2183 00:59:00,349 --> 00:59:03,440 A lot of people locally are like, 2184 00:59:03,519 --> 00:59:04,880 that's in their wheelhouse. 2185 00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:05,119 Yeah, 2186 00:59:05,119 --> 00:59:05,599 for sure. 2187 00:59:05,599 --> 00:59:06,599 And it's one of those, 2188 00:59:06,599 --> 00:59:07,519 I always explain, 2189 00:59:07,519 --> 00:59:11,369 or I still people like 805 is like the Budweiser of craft in the nicest way possible. 2190 00:59:11,369 --> 00:59:12,619 No one's going to hate it. 2191 00:59:12,619 --> 00:59:13,280 You know, 2192 00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:13,860 like it's just, 2193 00:59:13,860 --> 00:59:14,159 you're, 2194 00:59:14,159 --> 00:59:14,750 it's good. 2195 00:59:14,750 --> 00:59:16,369 You can drink whenever this takes, 2196 00:59:16,369 --> 00:59:17,550 no one's gonna be mad. 2197 00:59:17,550 --> 00:59:17,840 You know, 2198 00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:18,719 if you have hop heads, 2199 00:59:18,719 --> 00:59:19,869 they're not going to be like, 2200 00:59:19,869 --> 00:59:20,530 this is awful. 2201 00:59:20,530 --> 00:59:22,000 If you have people that hate hops, 2202 00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:22,639 they're not going to, 2203 00:59:22,639 --> 00:59:23,000 you know, 2204 00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:23,760 turn away from this. 2205 00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:24,119 Yeah. 2206 00:59:24,119 --> 00:59:25,210 It's right in the middle. 2207 00:59:25,210 --> 00:59:26,409 It's right in the middle. 2208 00:59:26,409 --> 00:59:26,710 And, 2209 00:59:26,710 --> 00:59:26,949 um, 2210 00:59:26,949 --> 00:59:27,340 yeah, 2211 00:59:27,340 --> 00:59:29,269 if you can't drink IPAs like forever, 2212 00:59:29,269 --> 00:59:30,320 you're going to, 2213 00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:30,800 you're going to, 2214 00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:32,880 if you're not alternating to water, 2215 00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:34,880 this is like a good alternative, 2216 00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:36,239 like alternate into this, 2217 00:59:36,239 --> 00:59:36,460 uh, 2218 00:59:36,460 --> 00:59:37,889 blonde for a minute and then, 2219 00:59:37,889 --> 00:59:38,409 you know, 2220 00:59:38,409 --> 00:59:40,320 get back on those pallet punchers and. 2221 00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:41,070 Yeah. 2222 00:59:41,070 --> 00:59:42,260 Cleanse the pallet. 2223 00:59:42,260 --> 00:59:42,960 All right. 2224 00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,199 We're going to wrap things up with rapid fire questions. 2225 00:59:45,199 --> 00:59:47,199 First thing that comes to your mind, 2226 00:59:47,199 --> 00:59:48,320 don't think about it too long. 2227 00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:49,840 Don't read ahead. 2228 00:59:50,590 --> 00:59:50,809 Okay. 2229 00:59:50,809 --> 00:59:52,760 What's the first beer you ever drank? 2230 00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:53,530 Coors Light. 2231 00:59:53,530 --> 00:59:55,039 What's the first beer you brewed? 2232 00:59:55,039 --> 00:59:56,909 I think it was an Amber Ale. 2233 00:59:56,909 --> 00:59:57,039 Okay. 2234 00:59:57,039 --> 01:00:00,159 Do you have a favorite style to brew? 2235 01:00:00,159 --> 01:00:01,840 I would say this favorite style is a hazy. 2236 01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:02,079 Okay. 2237 01:00:02,079 --> 01:00:03,920 Cans or bottles? 2238 01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:04,579 Cans. 2239 01:00:04,579 --> 01:00:07,000 Favorite food and beer pairing? 2240 01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:07,719 Spicy and IPAs. 2241 01:00:07,719 --> 01:00:08,449 All right. 2242 01:00:08,449 --> 01:00:09,719 It's Wednesday night. 2243 01:00:09,719 --> 01:00:10,880 What are you drinking? 2244 01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:12,289 This Blond Ale. 2245 01:00:12,289 --> 01:00:14,750 What is your beercation destination? 2246 01:00:14,750 --> 01:00:16,559 Probably Colorado, 2247 01:00:16,559 --> 01:00:17,519 you know, 2248 01:00:17,519 --> 01:00:18,050 somewhere, 2249 01:00:18,050 --> 01:00:18,849 somewhere there. 2250 01:00:18,849 --> 01:00:20,239 What's your favorite outside? 2251 01:00:20,239 --> 01:00:21,519 So non-red engine beer. 2252 01:00:21,519 --> 01:00:24,489 I love me a made West pale. 2253 01:00:24,489 --> 01:00:24,800 Class. 2254 01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:26,480 It's the best pale around. 2255 01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:27,690 I don't know how those guys do that. 2256 01:00:27,690 --> 01:00:28,400 It was delicious. 2257 01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:28,800 Uh, 2258 01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:32,469 what's your favorite non-beer hobby? 2259 01:00:32,469 --> 01:00:33,840 Motorcycles. 2260 01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:36,639 Cold IPA or IPL? 2261 01:00:36,639 --> 01:00:37,519 Is this a trick question? 2262 01:00:37,519 --> 01:00:37,920 A little bit. 2263 01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:39,539 Cold IPA. 2264 01:00:39,539 --> 01:00:40,309 Okay. 2265 01:00:40,309 --> 01:00:41,920 Favorite guilty pleasure beer? 2266 01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,000 This is where we find out that you love like PBRs. 2267 01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:45,039 I know. 2268 01:00:45,039 --> 01:00:45,559 Um, 2269 01:00:45,559 --> 01:00:46,480 I love, 2270 01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,369 I love the sours. 2271 01:00:48,369 --> 01:00:49,519 Like for sure. 2272 01:00:49,519 --> 01:00:50,559 Favorite hangover cure? 2273 01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:51,679 Advil. 2274 01:00:51,679 --> 01:00:56,000 And what's your favorite word or slang for being drunk? 2275 01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:57,360 Fuck I'm drunk. 2276 01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:58,800 Perfect. 2277 01:00:58,800 --> 01:00:59,739 Preston, 2278 01:00:59,739 --> 01:01:02,880 thank you so much for hanging out today. 2279 01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:03,519 Uh, 2280 01:01:03,519 --> 01:01:05,039 if you guys are in the area, 2281 01:01:05,039 --> 01:01:07,599 it's 803 Ventura street in Fillmore, 2282 01:01:07,599 --> 01:01:10,079 Red Engine Brewing on the socials, 2283 01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:12,449 redenginebrewing.com and uh, 2284 01:01:12,449 --> 01:01:14,400 the built and brewed podcast. 2285 01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:15,119 Give it a listen. 2286 01:01:15,119 --> 01:01:15,829 Go give it a listen. 2287 01:01:15,829 --> 01:01:18,710 Especially if you're going to open up a brewery or, 2288 01:01:18,710 --> 01:01:19,440 or something like that. 2289 01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,360 Have I missed anything? 2290 01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:21,820 This is it, 2291 01:01:21,820 --> 01:01:22,099 man. 2292 01:01:22,099 --> 01:01:23,440 That was a good like coverage. 2293 01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:24,559 Like a great, 2294 01:01:24,559 --> 01:01:25,360 great job. 2295 01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:25,619 Thanks. 2296 01:01:25,619 --> 01:01:26,880 Thanks for taking me on this journey. 2297 01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:27,800 Absolutely. 2298 01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,880 Thanks for coming along and everybody come drink some beer. 2299 01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:31,380 Cheers.