All of our body pretty much is

capable of responding to

electromagnetic energy such as

biophotons and the natural one sunbite.

Then it's also capable of responding to

the non native EMFs that

we're pumping out in ever increasing

quantities now. So there's a priority there. We

do need to tidy things up. Welcome to the

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qbcpod.com and let's see. Where the quantum

superhighway takes us next. I know for many of us the quantum

biologic framework that is the intersection. Of quantum physics and

biology holds the promise of potentially being able to

give us scientific mechanisms of action for

some of the biggest anomalies in

consciousness and human experiences and

phenomena that cannot be explained by the materialist paradigm.

I'm talking about things like telepathy, out of body experiences,

near death experiences, and also more common occurrences

such as that feeling that you get when you know somebody is

staring at you even if you can't see them. What is

that? My guest today has some answers and

I am had such a good time talking to him because he

went on his own journey of

shifting paradigms from being a medically trained

physician. He's an MD who did not believe.

Quote unquote in any of that stuff. Even though he

was deep into the. Integrative and functional health world.

He is has run journals and

chaired professional associations for ecological

medicine in the UK and Dr. Damien Downing also

wrote. A book back in 19888 on the. Importance

of sunlight and how we cannot be truly healthy if we do not get enough

of it. He has continued his path after

decades of clinical experience working with patients to

resolve their issues as naturally as possible,

he has gone down the physics rabbit hole

and has now come out with a very, very different

perspective than what he started with after

deeply studying the intersection physics

and biology, most notably with structured water,

light and the work of May Wen Ho

regarding what she calls time crystals.

Turns out we're not just biochemical, we're not just bioelectrical, we're

also bioinformational,

potentially storing information in our time

crystals across time and space.

It's wild. It's wild fun stuff. You are definitely going to

enjoy this chat with Dr. Downing. We start out with

light and what structured water and then

we go down the rabbit hole that changed his

paradigm and changed what he believes

about how human consciousness works.

So enjoy this episode. It is a very fun

1. And Dr. Downing's book Coherent Health

the Power of Light and Water is coming out soon.

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interview with Dr. Downing. Dr. Damien Downing, welcome

back to the QVC podcast. Thank you very much. We're going

to have fun today. Okay, so let's start with, you know, one of

my favorite topics, sunlight. You have

worked, as we say in the US an integrative physician

for decades and have been a longtime champion of

sunlight through the whole sunlight is bad for you

phase that we seem to be emerging from in our culture

from the get go. You are a sunlight champion. You wrote a book about

how important sunlight is in 1988. Daylight

robbery. Yeah, so let's talk about that.

We'll start there. Like, why is sunlight

so crucial to human

biology? You know, I think we're all being pretty

stupid about this. How could it not be? I mean, it is the

most funderless. You know, it's as necessary to

us as water is to fish more. So,

you know, I mean, this is what we evolved in the whole of life

evolved in. And the only new thing here,

I mean, you know, all cultures have done this sort of thing, have used

heat and light and measures like that and

probably used structured water as well when we get to that. But

we managed to for a long time. I just think we're better

than that, didn't we? You know, we know best. But now what we've

done is we've figured out a little bit more of it so that

it's a moment where, oh, that, that's how it works.

That's how it makes sense. And you can see the,

you know, there's huge amounts of our energy. I don't know how

you quantify this, but obviously a lot of the energy

we use, a lot of the incoming energy that we

make ATP with and do energetic things in ourselves,

comes from light rather than from food. This is a huge piece

for people. Yeah, me too. Say, yeah, say a little bit

more about that because we've, we've been really, really trained to

think that, you know, food is, is everything

and less inclined to consider in what environment

we are consuming that food and what is what the inputs into our

biology are the whole rest of the time when we're not eating.

So how is it, how is it that light is, is so key

as compared to food? I mean, not that food, it doesn't matter, obviously. Please,

people, use both hemispheres of your brain. Two things can be true

at once. Okay, yeah, yeah, true matters. But also

light is giving us more input

than we really realized. Yes, absolutely. Start with

light itself. The, the light,

you know, let's call it its own light, really

reaching us on the surface of the Earth. The

energy that comes from the sun is only

40% of it is visible light. Right.

But the high energy end of the spectrum, there's another

10% of ultraviolet, UVA and

UVB. And then it cuts off, it's filtered

out by the atmosphere. Down the other end

from red, you go into near infrared.

And actually that's a whole 50% of

the energy reaching us is in the near infrared,

in infrared, but it's mostly near infrared.

So this is also why green spaces are good for us,

because the leaves and several of the green things,

well, they reflect green light obviously because they don't need it. They

get their energy other places in the spectrum,

but they also reflect the near infrared very

strongly. And this is presumably

at least one of the reasons why forest bathing has any

pollen. You can probably make it even better if you barefoot in the grass. So

you get your electrons that way too. If

you shut your eyes in a green park or

a wood or somewhere, you look and

the color you see with your eyes closed is red, right?

Because it penetrates quite well. But the near

infrared penetrates even better.

So that in the eyes there'll be about

five times as much near infrared

going into your eyes with the eyelids closed

as there is colored light. And it's not

only in the eyes, but it has particular

penetration which we miscalculated

for a long time because, you know, we put,

put a pointy detector at it and

say, oh, well, it's not penetrating here, is going

off in all sorts of directions, so it's not getting through.

But that doesn't matter to a cell because

that's probably good for the cell because it's getting it all diffused, getting it

all the way around from all directions better than getting,

you know, one like a laser beam. So what we've learned is

that the, the light that

we cannot see is penetrating

right into our body and not in a linear way,

but in a way that, that has a, like a systemic effect.

Like it fills up our whole system.

And we've only just realized this, scientifically speaking?

I mean. Yeah, yeah, I think

that's right. Our natural wisdom has known this since, since

the evolution of man or the, or our ancestral beginnings,

however you want to look at it. But yes. So science has only just

recently recognized that that's what's going on. Yeah. Okay,

and so what does that mean? Does it. When we.

Because we haven't known that, we haven't known about the importance of,

of infrared and near infrared and all the other wavelengths which we're going

to talk about. But it seems to me we've constructed a way of living

that is like totally antithetical. Yeah,

absolutely. Electricity is to blame for

a lot of it. Isn't it possible

for us to, to work

indoors? You know, the, to change

subject slightly. The. I've gotten her name. But

the lady who you had on recently with the. My

Circadian app. Yes. Sarah Kleiner. Right.

That's got a beautiful little thing on the app

that enables you to just do a lux meter showing you

point the camera at the light somewhere

and take a light reading. And you will find that

in here. Well, I got one of Ken

Cedar's lamps up there, but apart from that, it's going to be

pretty cool. Level cupboard, 200 lux, something like

that. Whereas out there it'll be gloomy

day, probably four or five thousand sunny day, be a

load more. So we hugely deprived ourselves of

light by moving indoors and of course extended

our sunny day into the night

with the use of electric lights. And then it all got

worse when we replaced, we

invented energy saving bulbs. Right. Because the

reason why One of these LED lights is

energy saving and you can have a 5

watt bulb or whatever

that produces equivalent to

60 watts in the old method is that

it's not making all the heat, but that heat was. At least

some of it was near infrared and it

had, it has special properties. So things got even worse there. So we

moved indoors, but we still had

somewhat biologically friendly light bulbs. Then we changed the

light bulbs to be basically toxic

after sunset. Bright white LED lights are

toxic. Is that fair to say? Not to mention the light from

the screen. Yes, quite. I think there's a bit of the principle

there. We have to be a little bit clear. You can make a

pretty much an absolute rule here that if

it occurs in nature then it can't really be

harmful to us. Can't be bad for us really.

And so I think on that basis it's not that blue light

is intrinsically bad for us. What's really bad for

us is blue light with the near infrared taken out. Which

is light bulbs and screens. Yeah, yeah.

Okay. And it's also of course it's what? I

never know when they put that abbreviation. Nn emfs.

Non native. Non native. Thank you. Okay, yeah. So those are the fake

like the ones coming out of the ones you warn about

in your book, basically. Yeah, yeah. Right.

Well I was by no means the first. You know,

John Ott did that back in the end of the

50s. Really. He

created the term Mal Illumination which has two

sides to it. Not enough sunlight and too much

non. What's it say new to nature? Non

native EMFs. Yeah. So we, those are the way we use

it is like the, like the WI FI signal and all of the

man made frequencies. You can't see the non visible

man made frequencies that were not conceived of with biology in

mind. Precisely. Yeah. Right. So

talking about the benefits of sunlight which is

I think becoming widely known and I've interviewed,

you know, at least one allopathic physician who has

looked at this research and agreed that there are

really an infinite number of benefits to

exposing our biology to sunlight. But then it kind of

stops because they don't quite have a way to explain the mechanism of

how, because that's quantum. So you have that piece, we'll get to it.

But first let's just run through. You have this table in your new

book, Light Wavelengths and their benefits in terms of talking

about sunshine. So let's start.

So there's UV C.

Which is only in space. So let's move down to

uvb. Yeah. Right. So

uvb, you only get around solar noon

and it's a tiny amount of when the sun's highest in the

sign. So it's got the shortest path through the atmosphere to

reach you. That solar moon, it's only

about a half a percent of the

total light energy. They're really small.

And it's only about a twentieth of

the UV energy reaching us because

most of it is in the uva, which

is longer wavelength and therefore

slightly lesser energy. But there's a lot more of it. So

yeah, it has useful effects. Right, right. And the

UVB benefits are the ones that we traditionally think about.

They are, yes. Yeah. Which is vitamin D

and melanin as well. Right. So that's where you,

you make vitamin D and you get a tan. Yeah, that's

right. And that would be. So if you live. Depending where you live, you

wouldn't always have access to that. Hey, you certainly

wouldn't. Yeah. But it's interesting because there's all

of these other wavelengths that do lots and lots

of things as well. So I think that's like a key takeaway for people is

like even if we were open to the fact that the sun is good for

us, we were like, oh, it's just, we just need it for vitamin D

and getting a tan. And now we know getting a tan is really good for

us. Not burning, just tanning. But even if we are

in winter or whatever and we're not getting that uvb, there's still all this other

one, all these other wavelengths that have incredible effects, like.

Absolutely. Uva.

Uva, yeah. Right. Okay, so what happens

with uva? Well, alpha MSH

happens, or really I just say PLMC happens.

Light hitting the non visual

photoreceptors in the eyes and that's higher energy light.

UVA and blue

sends a message to the main body clock, the

suprachiasmatic nucleus and then the body clocks there

and that causes the pituitary

to produce this stuff called pro

opiomelanocortin. There's a bit of a bundle

word. Okay. Yeah. So for those of us who are like, wait, I don't know

what any of that is. What does it do? Why do we care?

We'll call it POMC Sugars anyway. All right, Right.

Yeah. And the pro means it's not actually a thing

in itself. It has to be changed as a converted or

activated. And what happens is a number of

steps breaks it down into three other things. Right.

The opio is endorphins,

which kind of the feel good internal hormones, their

painkillers and relaxants and so forth.

The melano is alpha msh, which come

to in A second. And the cortin

is ACTH adrenaline, which is the

adrenal stimulating hormone that

causes your body to produce

a burst of cortisol. If you do

cortisol trash, there's supposed to be a spike

of cortisol in the morning there.

Right. And that comes from the

effect of high energy light, UVA and

particular hitting the eyes. But

also what we now realize is you get the same

effect without stuff hitting the skin.

And there are the cells lining the

capillaries in the skin. They produce

PLMC and therefore all the other stuff here as

well. So the final one is Alpha msh which is, I don't know

if you know the work of Richie Shoemaker

in the States. It talks about the biotoxin

pathway and he described this old stuff very well and he

regards Alpha MSH as being the main off

switch for inflammation and

pain and so forth. Yeah. And so

what it does is it does have a

definite anti inflammatory effect. It also

causes the melanocytes, it stimulates the

melanocytes to produce melanin,

which we thought was its main purpose, but we clearly got that

wrong because it does have an

anti inflammatory effect and so does the

cortisol that you produce then.

And the Alpha MSH also has an

antimicrobial effect in its own right. So it's making

the whole system, you know, that much more efficient. You're not

producing unproductive

inflammation as you know, burning up your energy and

wasting it on something that isn't working.

So the thing that we've also come to realize now

is that it's an appetite suppressant. Really?

Yeah. And I mean a couple of people

have said, talked about this. Oh, so

that's why I never have a great appetite when I'm on holiday.

Yeah, it's true. I noticed that the more time I spend

outside and in the summer I'm just. Yeah, not as

hungry. Yeah, because there's a double

effect there. It reduces your appetite by making you feel

fuller and it

also produces, makes your energy production

more effective. It's very tempting to say oh hey,

it's nature's ozempic or whatever,

but we don't know yet just you know, whether

you can do it that way around. Don't know. Can you fix

your huge weight problem by getting lots of

sunlight and so on? Will the weight just fall off? You don't know.

There are some people to say they have had that experience.

There's some practitioners who say they have had that experience.

But this certainly isn't a double blind trial

or anything. Like that. Right. What I think is certain is it's a good

idea to get the sunlight first and the alpha mosaice, then

you keep your weight down in the first place. So going

outside, even if there's no

UVB you've just described, is

anti inflammatory, supports our immune system,

presses our appetite, helps our body to

make more energy. I

mean, that sounds pretty. This sounds like all of the things that we're always trying

to, you know, look for in a supplement or

a prescription. And there it is, just there it is coming,

coming at us the moment we step outside. I just think it's helpful to break

this down because it's so simple. And I

find sometimes people brush it off or they're like, okay, Meredith, whatever. Like,

does it really make that big of a difference, as you said earlier?

Yes. Yeah. So let's talk about

the visible light. So that's, that's all the

colors. There's blue, violet, green, yellow, amber, orange, red.

What's going on with this light? And this

is also available all day. The UVA comes

up about an hour after sunrise. Yeah, that's right. There's a whole

bunch of things going on, some of which were

we're only really figuring out bit by

bit and from actually treating people

with that. I mean, for instance, green light

has been used to treat fibromyalgia. Who had thought that

would happen? And that was

generally green light without

the near infrared or whatever know. So it does have a property

on its own. And we can

use in photobiomodulation. We use blue

light particularly for stimulation on the

immune system and red

lights, interestingly, on the circulation as

well. So they all have benefits. We know that light's good for all

depression, not just seasonal affective disorder, but all depression

and so forth. I don't think anybody's

idea of particular wavelength works there. And

it's probably all of them. I mean, it could be the alpha

nsh effect from UVA just

being anti inflammatory because I mean, all the neurologists

and everybody these days say depression is inflammation, is

neuroinflammation. It could just be as

simple as that. It could be other things. There's

probably, you know, it would be sensible to

say you need the whole darn lot. Really.

Yes. The full spectrum sunlight is.

Yeah. So what's nutrient number one that we're all lacking?

Sunlight is the ideal. And maybe

when we're dealing with these

chronic conditions from fibromyalgia to depression,

full spectrum sunlight would be a good place to

start and then see what else is needed. Yeah, like

a very simple, reasonable recommendation from

you as a physician of many decades with lots of experience.

Yeah, I mean, I've always, you know, when dealing with a complex problem,

you try and in with a patient, you try and evaluate

all the size, you write a short overview which goes

nutrition, toxins or things like that,

genomic stuff, metabolic consequences and

so forth. But then you say to the patient, well, look, I think

we ought to start with these obvious deficiencies here

that you've got, because that's the only way to get your

body working on our side. Right.

And then when that's there, when the detox is working, everything's working that

bit better, then you can get the toxins out and

so forth and have less adverse consequences of it.

But what now, we've now got to say

is practically everybody's vitamin D deficient

for a start, certainly in this country. But is vitamin D

just there because its own importance, and

it does have huge importance to the immune system and so forth, but it's also

quite a useful marker for the whole of light. If you're not getting enough

light to do vitamin D for yourself, then

you're probably almost certainly not getting

enough light for all these other effects. So vitamin D is a

marker for potentially how much sunlight you're getting. And

we are all most likely sunlight deficient. And if we're

showing symptoms really of anything, going

outside is a nice, nice, easy place to start.

Yeah, that's nicely put. We did talk about near infrared,

but that is sunrise to sunset,

green spaces, fires, and

true incandescent, certain specialized light bulbs or

light therapies. You can get near infrared light. And what's

happening with near infrared light why is this our friend? And why is being

near infrared deficient like such a problem? Right, okay. This is where we

go quantum. Okay, let's go. The near infrared

penetrates very well, so that it's been

calculated, been proposed,

that in an adult, 70%

of your cells can access some near

infrared. Right. And probably in a

child, 100%. And there's a couple of places in the

body that there are fluids. That's the amniotic fluid

in a pregnant womb uterus and

the cerebrospinal fluid in the brain. They're actually

rather good conductors. So

they channel this near infrared in particular

further deeper into the body. And there's a particular

wavelength there at around 8, 10 nanometers.

I sound slightly vague, even though it's quantum, because

I think there's more than one effect going on there. But

this stuff has a quantum Effect on the

mitochondria. And it has been suggested

that. Well, one school of thought is that

it has an effect on complex 4

of the electron transport chain, the mechanism that

produces ATPR main energy

molecule. And it may

well be that that's true, but

it's looking more likely that it's also

got an effect on structured water and

the production of structured water, which is also

something that just enables life,

really. That's a perfect description of structured water.

It enables life. Yeah. And the INF and the infrared

light, the near infra light and the infrared light are helping us to

have more structured water. I mean, all to

varying extents. All light will do

it, certainly from ultraviolet through to

infrared and even further than near infrared, right into

the mid infrared, you know, but

near infrared has the best penetration, so. And would that be

why red light therapy has proven so effective in

helping people feel better and recover? Is that what's going on there?

Yeah, because the effect is. So there's

only the structured water effect is so fundamental.

I think that's why it just kind of works for everything. So

I've seen instantaneous effects sometimes.

Somebody had a colleague who just put when the light pad thing

on her frozen shoulder and it was fixed after half

an hour of that. And somebody else fixed their tinnitus

immediately and so forth. But I think that

only happens if there's something there

that really needs fixing. And the fix

is to get the structured water and the electron

transport chain working again. Then that

provides the cell with energy to do whatever it

is it wants to do. And that's the fun surprise is it's like,

what does my body want to do? If I give it what it needs, what's

going to happen? What fun things are going to happen?

Well, I guess we'll find out. Okay, so let's talk a little bit

more about. About structured water. And how would you

explain it, you know, to. To a lay person?

We've got some foundation. This audience has some foundation in it, but you know, to

varying degrees. To varying degrees. So talk to

me about our second favorite topic, structured water. Right?

Yeah. Yeah. Well, one of the interesting things about it is

that actually this knowledge has been there for a long time. I

think I said 60 years in the book, didn't I? It goes back to

this guy. I figured out the pronunciation. I've

been told the pronunciation since our last conversation about

this Albert Schent Giorgi. Ah,

Georgi. He was a Hungarian

scientist working before and after the war,

and he remarked in one of his books

that There were papers

to show that almost any liquid, or at least a wide range

of liquids, put them in contact with a

surface of a particular well. In case of

water, it has to be a

hydrophilic surface, which means it has to have a charge.

It has to have some ability to interact with the

water, and then it can change

the water and give it a bit of structure. You don't need much charge.

And actually it'd be a positive charge. Will work as

well as. Well, it will work also, but

is mostly. It is a negative charge. And that's possibly because

of. That's how the body works. That's how, you know,

life generally works it. So you get a bit of charge

on the surface there, the solid surface,

that causes a change in the water

interacting with it next to it there,

which makes it into a more structured water.

It's kind of a hexagonal shape. And that just

happens. It happens with hundreds of different liquids and so forth. It'll always

happen with water. And because

inside the body there are. I mean, it's all

surfaces everywhere. You know, a protein molecule is plenty big enough

to have a surface stubborn with structured water.

And something like collagen, which is made like rope,

is made, you know, a spiral of this and then made into a bigger

spiral and so forth. Plenty of room there for

structured water. So it's figured

that we're all about 70% structured water.

There's plenty of opportunities for that to happen. Then once you've made that on the

surface, that begins to have a particular

effect, which is that protons get excluded

from this hexagonal shape, hexagonal

layer. And that means that you've got a

negative charge there in the structure of water. It's slight,

but then light can come along

and build more and more and more, less. And Gerald

Pollock, one of his colleagues, discovered it because he left the light

on in the. On the. The bench

shining on this water experiment

came back and there was always. It's grown. All the structure of water

has grown. Then we switch the light off. It

gradually disappears. So it builds the water and charges

the water. Yeah, well, the actual building of the water charges the

water. Yes. Just the function of it being created is

kicking out those protons and creating

a negative charge. Yeah. And so we're like. I've

heard the metaphor that we're sort of like a giant battery,

you know, if we think of ourselves as a battery being charged by sunlight

and particularly infrared light. Yeah. But I see

the building of structure. Water is doing two things.

Number one is creating Charge, which

effectively means, you know, electrons.

And it's similar to the effect you get from earthing,

grounding, whatever whatever. Number two,

it's enabling those electrons to flow. I called

it the electron superhighway. Right. And in fact, I'll be

honest, it's getting beyond my understanding this stuff, you know? Yeah, I know. It

goes. It goes so deep, and I'm trying

to keep it for people to

just understand well enough to really be motivated and excited

to implement it. But at the same time, the quantum

layers are so fascinating, and we're going to get into some of

the really new, new ideas about structured water.

It's incredible to me, too, because mainstream allopathic medicine doesn't

even recognize the existence of structured water

in many cases. And yet without

that piece, it seems a little bit impossible

to really be understanding what's going

on with someone's biology. Okay, so an

ordinary crystal is a regular structure that

repeats and repeats in space,

right? So it's the same sort of molecular structure

going all the way. And you can, of course,

think of structured water as being

like that. But a time crystal is

something that has a regular repetition

in space and in time. And it turns out,

right, the name of the book is Coherent

Health. And this is what is all about,

really. I mean, coherence means a number of things. It

means in a sentence, it means that all

the elements in the sentence work together to deliver

your meaning. And Coherent Health

means all the elements of your body, including the

structured water and so forth, are working together

to keep you healthy and functioning. And May Won Ho

put it that under the influence of

electromagnetic fields, the water

can form into a coherent domain that

resonates, basically. Coherence in that sense is

basically like resonance. And

that's the quantum thing as well, of course, because,

you know the trick of running your finger around a wine glass,

you get the right frequency and it'll shatter it. Right.

It's the frequency that matters there. That's

the quantum thing like that. And

you don't make it hurt, make it work by

being stronger or whatever. You. You just need enough

of the right frequency vibration to

do that. And so that's another

aspect of coherence. And it is all basically the same,

really. So May Won Ho said that

these can become coherent domains that

under the influence of the magnetic field, end up

trapping or holding the magnetic field,

and then they can transmit it. So you need

structured water, it turns out, to start building these

coherent domains, little spaces,

whatever, and the smallest one that

we can figure out is just

a Few nanometers across.

I reckon it, you know, something like

300 molecules of water in that.

But then from that basic story, think of it as like little

coins or something like that, but they can build

up and they start to form a spiral,

presumably because of the hexagon. There's an effect

there. Right. So it then ends up looking like

a DNA double helix. Then that could form even

greater structures so that you have enormous structure.

And if you regard this structure

as being information,

then storing the electromagnetic field is providing

the information. The structured water and

the other water contained in there, because it doesn't have to be all structured water,

holds onto it and then can, under certain circumstances,

transmit it again. And

because you can make these vast great structures out of it

in molecular terms, fast, the amount

of information is. It's got to be infinite,

really. There's no limit to this.

So the time crystals within our structured water, according

to this very well researched theory,

posit that we could be holding unlimited

information in our field. Yes. And

transmitting it. Yes. And receiving it from other fields.

Correct. All of the above. One of the ways we got into this

was, you know, Luke Montagnais, who was one of the

first reporters describers of hiv. He

did an experiment where he got a DNA

fragment and put it into like a sort of a solenoid

battery structure there. Kept it

completely apart from another

similar thing which had. So you've got a fragment of DNA

in this, which we'll call the. Sending the transmitting

test tube. And then in the

other test tube, the receiving test tube, you've got

all the elements necessary to make that fragment of

DNA again. Then you put that in

a repeating field, something

like the Schumann resonance, which is

going around the world the whole time and has very

high penetration. So it's going right through us all the time. There's nothing you do

about that. You can't stop it. And

God knows what the consequences would be if he did. So that's kind

of like a carrier wave. What he did was

to send the information

from the transmitting test tube to the

receiving test tube and recorded that

it actually the DNA was spontaneously

constructed in the receiving one. So that's

a clear example of

this kind of phenomenon happening, of a time crystal

sending its information to another place

electromagnetically and building a new

time crystal there, or new time crystals.

All right, and when you think that

biophotons, or as we now call them, ultra

weak photon emissions are happening all the

time, all your cells are popping them out the

whole damn time. Right. And human ones range the

ultraviolet into the infrared. Right through into the infrared with

something where there's a bit of a spike in yellow. I'm not sure why that

is, but what else is it doing? I mean, it's got a point.

This has to be it. The biophotons. And the

first. The way we started understanding about biophotons

was this guy called Gurvitch back in the 30s, I

think, behind the Iron Curtain there.

He put an onion shoot

kind of thing like a sprout, when you sprout your salad

in one test tube and another one,

and noted that in the right circumstances,

there was an effect of having that test

tube there, that a sprouting active one there would

cause another one there which hadn't been

activated or whatever, to start doing stuff.

And he figured out in that one that you had to have quartz

there instead of glass between them. Okay. So we have

established that structured water is essential to life,

and it creates the electron. You know, it

supports the electron superhighway that keeps our bodies

functioning and filled with energy and charged up.

And we've established that mainstream medicine doesn't currently

acknowledge that it exists, which is

a major problem for that industry, I would say. And so now I want to

get into something. So it's like in our world, not only,

you know, in the world that you're describing, not only have we established

that structured water exists, we're starting to find

suggestions of even deeper mysteries and

beyond the healthy functioning of our biology,

which is something called time

crystals that I think you were, you know,

comes very strongly from the work of May wen ho. So,

Dr. Downing, like, pick it up from there. What's

a time crystal? Just one that was not activated,

had not been sprouted, and it was sprouting it just from

receiving the energy of the one that was activated, Correct?

Yeah, but glass. Glass cut it off. Quartz did it. Because

in that case, he thought then that it's all

ultraviolet and the courts will

transmit the ultraviolet and ordinary glass won't. But

turns out it's not. It's nothing like that simple. Well, it's just.

It's as complicated, as complicated as it's time to

make it. Yeah.

So what is. What does this mean?

Particularly for things

that we have tended to dismiss, like

telepathy or intuition

or because I will say, like being around a

lot of people who have systematically

added some sunlight and grounding and darkness into their

lives. I hear a lot of stories of

people, whether they articulate it as enhanced

intuition or they just are starting to have

better ideas and make Better choices and all this kind of

thing. Like what are the implications of this time

crystal for this kind of non local

phenomenon? I've always been quite a skeptic. You know, I'm,

I would sort of get a new treatment and I'll let somebody else

experiment on their patients before I experiment on mine

or whatever. So I've always, you know,

said that things like

homeopathy, for instance, they've, they've got a hard

road to follow. But because

of Ben Venista studies way back

that talked about the memory of water or water memory

for me personally anyway, there's

oh my God moment. This

could be it. This could be how all this stuff works, you know,

as you guys describe it, all the woo woo

stuff, you know, and add

to your list of things, you know, of

paranormal phenomena. Add faith, right?

They say faith move mountain, moves mountains.

And this is how I do it. Faith is a form of coherence.

You get this stuff working together. You know,

we've all seen things about that, you know,

oh, we desperately needed a whatever

and so we prayed for it and it happened.

And that proves that prayer works. Well,

I think it does prove that prayer works.

And prayer is just another form of acting incoherence.

It doesn't necessarily prove that your God is the right

one. That's a whole different story.

Anyway, I think, you know,

personifying God is a bit stupid. It's a bit like the blind man

and the elephant, you know, oh, I've got this bit, it's a tail, you know.

Right. We've all got a different bit and think it's the whole thing.

Yeah. So as a lifelong skeptic, now that

you have, you know, for this book researched

structured water and then researched the

coherence within structured water, recalling a time crystal

through the work of May1ho. What I'm hearing you say is that you have

now you feel confident that we have a mechanism of

action to describe prayer. Telepathy,

intuition, meditation. I'm

definitely a follower of the Reverend Bayes. So I'd say

the probabilities have shifted substantially

now. And am I confident? I don't

know. You know, I'm getting there. Yes, the needle has

moved. Yeah, exactly. And I think it's like, you know, you remember

the image of Earth from space, Apollo,

whichever one, it was 1968, you know,

we thought, oh my God, it really is a small blue planet, you

know, and there is no planet B despite Elon

Musk and all their aspirations. I think seeing the

images of these little crystals or whatever, you're

going to call them these coherent domains.

That's a real thing. What would be sort of

in your greatest vision of, you know,

going forward from here now that we have this

theory, but also the imaging as you said, like we can actually

see these coherent domains in some level. What is

your sort of highest destiny for us

with this information? Okay, well let's start with the dark side of

it. Because if all of our

body pretty much is capable of

responding to electromagnetic energy

such as biophotons and the natural one sunpite,

then it's also capable of responding to

the non native EMFs that

we're pumping out in ever increasing

quantities now. So there's a priority there.

We do need to tidy things up or do some

housekeeping. And bear in mind that John Art

described this mal illumination

phenomenon back in what, 20

something years before the mobile phone was even invented. There

were adverse effects from tv, from

those cordless phones, you know, and

from the fluorescent lights.

And he got effects from tidying that stuff

up. It's got to be a billion times worse now

because there's so much more bad energy, if you like,

around

in the radio frequency part of the spectrum where WI

fi and mobiles and so forth live. And

so we have got to do something about that for

ourselves individually and ideally for the world

too. But the good news about that

of course is that you don't have to make it

perfect right now people who try to

apply this to patients health and

so forth, their first rule is that

you should detoxify your

sleeping area. Right. So no mobiles and

no radio wave type stuff in the bedroom.

Absolutely, that does help. And in fact

Trevor Marshall is, works in the

autoimmune sector of things,

did an experiment with putting hoods on

that are screening out electromagnetic

waves. And so he got

about 60, I think patients

with autoimmune diseases

and he got them to where these hoods

which will screen out some, by no means all, but some

of the electromagnetic fields reaching you,

the screen keep them away from your brain.

And he asked them to wear that for four

hours waking and four hours sleeping. So that's a

third of the day. And he got

effects, he got definite changes in

their symptoms for which they were already on medication.

But he got a further improvement. Although

anybody who's worked with EMFs and electrosensitivity and

so forth will understand this. There wasn't always good

effects but that, you know, you get

surprising things with that. I've seen people who've

been electro sensitive, covered themselves in, you know,

Faraday Case type wire fabric

and get much worse inside that, you know,

it's unpredictable because. Well, I suppose

the time crystal theory sort of provides

an explanation for that. You know, just because it's so complex,

you can't easily predict

what is going to happen. But you can

apply the basic rule, I think, that if

it's natural, if we evolved in it for

billions of years, then it's got to be good. And

if it's non natural, then it's probably

bad. Or at least it's capable of being

bad. Right? Yeah. That would be the flip side of it. If

we're so exquisitely attuned to

all of these frequencies, then when we're bombarded

with unhealthy frequencies, that is

absolutely going to have an effect. Yeah, that would make sense.

However, the good news is once we know that we can.

We can choose. Yes, exactly. You can do something

about it and, you know, have to do it for yourself really

to begin with. And so if you could just sort of

summarize where you are now after having done all of this

research, sort of through the quantum realm, through

the coherence, through. Through May Wen Ho

and, And all of your clinical experience over the

years, your work publishing the journal, like

sort of. Where do you see? Where are we? Because it

feels like, I mean, I. I talk to lots of people

all the time and honestly, I feel like we're in a brand new paradigm every

month. It sounds. If my work is done

here. No, I want to know where you think we are right

now, like what direction we're headed in. Well, we can see

that, you know, things are getting worse.

We can also see that it takes time

for us to get this stuff into our heads. Really,

on average about 50 years. We know we've got to

keep on at this, but there is some hope.

I think this stuff has kind of arrived

just in time as things get

really bad. Unless Three Eye Atlas

up there, actually, he's carrying some benevolent

aliens. We do it for ourselves.

I love it. Well, that is a perfect place to end. I would

love. I, I think you might have that. Maybe that's the

answer. Three

Eye Atlas will explain all and lead us forward into

the next. Into the new era. The new era,

Exactly. Yes. Well, Dr. Downing, thank you for

coming back to the podcast. Thank you for this incredible book, Coherent

Health. It will be available soon. We will let you know how to order

it and put links in the show notes and

yeah, just so appreciate you diving

into all of this and coming out with a coherent articulation.

So we can all wrap our heads around it. Oh, it's been my pleasure, I

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