Ian:

Welcome to 5 Months In Already!", you've got me for the intro as everyone's asleep after a Scotland road trip, but that is for a future episode. We've almost hit the half-year mark of this wild ride called parenting. In today's episode, we're peeling back the curtain on our lives, which, like Tilly's chunky and nutty banana bread, is a delicious blend of sweet moments and chaotic crumbs. We'll celebrate the richness of family with grandparent tales, contemplate the spirituality of naming days, and chuckle over the unexpected humor in baby's innocent gestures.

Tilly:

5 months, baby!

Dan 1:

It's a bit of a milestone week,

Tilly:

I can't believe we're almost at half a year. That seems mental to me.

Dan 1:

Like, I don't talk

Tilly:

feel like we've been parents that long. No, it's

Dan 1:

No, it's still creeping up on me. There we are. Almost

Tilly:

But there we are, a whole, almost half a year with you.

Dan 1:

Because it's strange, because I'm used to the idea that I've got her, but I'm not used to the idea that I'm a parent.

Tilly:

parent. I know, I keep hearing stuff about Mother's Day and I'm like, and I don't, I don't think about that's for me now. I'm like, oh god, what am I going to do for my mum and your mum? And grandparents and grandmas and stuff. And I'm like, oh wait, people got two things for me this year. It's my day as well now. Because last year I was pregnant for Mother's Day and you got me a card and that was nice. Obviously it's, what? It's a bit

Dan 1:

just feel like you're laying on the

Tilly:

Explanations.

Dan 1:

the great

Tilly:

It sounded

Dan 1:

for No. It sounded a bit like, yeah last year I was pregnant and I got a card, this year I've got a baby. No, but

Tilly:

but you know, it's

Dan 1:

it's

Tilly:

obviously more meaningful now she's here and with us because we were still nervous at that time. When we were pregnant on Mother's Day last year.

Dan 1:

year.

Tilly:

Um, Bebba is very wiggly and energetic this morning. She's on one today, isn't she? Yeah, you might need

Dan 1:

Yeah, you might need to put it back on her boobie.

Tilly:

might need to.

Dan 1:

need to. Alright,

Tilly:

With Mumma one second I've already eaten

Dan 1:

I know we say that we

Tilly:

we have got homemade goods this week.

Dan 1:

over One second. I know we say we record this podcast over dinner.

Tilly:

to put that down.

Dan 1:

But as my energetic wife, I'm Was reminding me. We're currently are eating, I'm eating banana bread that she lovingly

Tilly:

it's, it's monster, I call it monster banana bread just because it's got everything in it. So it's, it's your classic banana bread recipe. Which I am quite well known for. I make a pretty good banana bread producer myself.

Dan 1:

Um, and I've

Tilly:

Um, And then I've shoved it full of everything, because I had loads of stuff in the cupboard I wanted to use up. So we've got toasted almonds, macadamias, because we're bougie.

Dan 1:

Um, it's

Tilly:

I know. Um, it's got a little bit of halva in it, not enough that you wouldn't like it, but there was like a little bit left in the tub that I wanted to use up. So some pistachio halva.

Dan 1:

It's

Tilly:

also got some dark chocolate chunks and some hazelnut milk chocolate in it. So nutty.

Dan 1:

Mmm.

Tilly:

And then you've got a cup of tea. Um,

Dan 1:

Queenie, Princess Kilimanjaro, what's it to you without sugar? Um, I mean I'll still take it, I just really don't actually like it that much, it's a bit too tannin y. I

Tilly:

too tan in it.

Dan 1:

Well I more think that I need to slowly decrease the amount of sugar.

Tilly:

That's fair enough, I thought I had done that with you.

Dan 1:

No, going from one to zero is a very, literally a binary difference. It needs to be like a,

Tilly:

you down from 2.

Dan 1:

yeah, it needs to be like a one to three quarters to half to a quarter to Because it's

Tilly:

a very different

Dan 1:

different taste of zero sugar Oh, well I'm sure

Tilly:

Um, and I've got a lovely cup of coffee, with some collagen in it, protein coffee. And I've got a square of dark chocolate, and three brazil nuts.

Dan 1:

three desserts Oh.

Tilly:

I know. Wild. Bubba's got breast milk for her snack.

Dan 1:

But she's been trying bananas. She's not bothered by food. She's reaching for the food when we

Tilly:

like, I don't get banana bread.

Dan 1:

been reaching

Tilly:

Not yet. Back to your weaning, baby. Mum will make you sugar free banana bread. Yeah. She's not bothered by food. She's reaching for food when we have it now, but I think that's more just because she's reaching for stuff than it's food.

Dan 1:

Yeah.

Tilly:

trying to put her hand in my hot coffee. Oh. I'm like, mum's coffee. She wants it.

Dan 1:

wants it. Um,

Tilly:

Um, two, I'm not sure you're ready for coffee yet. Yeah. If you like the taste, um, I'll give you

Dan 1:

the teacup. You

Tilly:

that's fine. You're not having caffeine for a

Dan 1:

Daddy will think you're a bit weird if you don't taste coffee, to be

Tilly:

Mum thought you'd wait for her to taste the tea, but there you go.

Dan 1:

of tea, there you go. Haha. You're a sadist.

Tilly:

Whose side are you gonna pick? Or are you gonna like hot brown?

Dan 1:

Oh, yeah. Mixing the two.

Tilly:

getting very

Dan 1:

Alright. Yeah, she just keeps kicking the fucking mic. I was trying to

Tilly:

feeding her.

Dan 1:

feeding her

Tilly:

Yesterday. Did you keep trying to keep my laptop off there? I'm sure. Making it difficult for me to multitask. Anyway, this week, you're back home again. Not in work every day.

Dan 1:

Um, which is nice. I still went in on Monday and then after that I was working from home the rest of the week. Whereas I was in work two days this week. And how did you find

Tilly:

lovely. Whereas I was in work two days this week. So that was a bit different, wasn't it? How did you find it? Um,

Dan 1:

that bit before you go where I'm like, I

Tilly:

think there's always that bit before I go in where I'm like, I don't want to go in.

Dan 1:

an hour drive, um, an

Tilly:

Just as you know, it's an hour drive, um, and I'm working, and then an hour coming home, and it's, part of me is kind of like, oh, it's more productive actually if I just work from home, because I'm not,

Dan 1:

I'm not, because

Tilly:

because I have, I have a limited window where I can work for when I need to come home and feed her. And then I've got to sort of take two hours out of that for the drive.

Dan 1:

Yeah. Um, so I do work

Tilly:

so I do work once I'm home, sort of make up the hours, but it was, it was, it was good. And yesterday I was sitting on some training that I organized before I'd gone on leave, so that was nice to see that actually happening. on Thursday, my mum looked after her as always and she went to see Nanny Gramps and

Dan 1:

I think

Tilly:

loved her. 40 pounds. Whoa,

Dan 1:

hard cash money.

Tilly:

cash money. In fresh 20 notes. Spend on stuff for you, so you're gonna get some new baby grows. I mean, I won't spend 20 quid on new baby grows,

Dan 1:

babies. Forty? No, for

Tilly:

quid, even. I'm waiting for you to spend 20. So, we'll have extra money left over for fun things. Sweeties! No, not

Dan 1:

So they'll be, they'll be in a cupboard for four years.

Tilly:

And mum will have them. You can't buy kerosene through mum's milk., And then, on Friday, which I had my dad looking after, didn't we, for the first time. He's been to visit her. But he's not looked after by himself yet, so that was sort of, starting out. Because we'd like, you know, all our parents to have quite a good involvement, so.

Dan 1:

Yeah. And amongst these other

Tilly:

Also, my mum's in South East, so they've already got a really good relationship, my mum and my pops. But your mum and my dad see her a lot less, and don't really spend time solidly with her.

Dan 1:

think it's a very different mindset, your, like, my mum and your dad versus your pops and your mum. Because they've already got young grandchildren, and so they've had that phase of realising that you've got to go back into that sort of

Tilly:

kids TV

Dan 1:

kids TV presenter, bubbly, excitable. Yeah. Whereas I think for both your dad and my mum, That's still something that they're trying to adjust to, as it

Tilly:

Well, yeah, and also like my, my mom and my pops

Dan 1:

took to being grandparents

Tilly:

took degree grandparents really well. They were super excited being grandparents,

Dan 1:

be involved with

Tilly:

um, and really wanted to be involved grandparents and wanted to make sure that they look after the kids and build that relationship

Dan 1:

be that sort of

Tilly:

and to be that sort of secondary parental figures for them. and so they went into it like that was, I think your mom and my dad don't have that same view of grandparents.

Dan 1:

Yeah. But then I think

Tilly:

For them I think it's that person that you see infrequently and they sort of treat you with and they go. Probably.

Dan 1:

Yeah, probably.

Tilly:

Um, which is, you know, how a lot of grandparents are but I think you and me are wanting them to be more the involved ones if possible.

Dan 1:

more involved. Yeah, so we can be less involved though.

Tilly:

Well no, it's just that we know there's, there's real benefits to multi generational bringing up of children.

Dan 1:

children. Yeah, and in all seriousness, it's a handy, given that, you know, I mean, your dad's a bit of a way away, but my mum's only an hour away, so.

Tilly:

And like dad just stays with us, doesn't he? And that's also quite nice. My dad lives not by himself. He's got lodges, but he's alone. Is it where it's not? He hasn't got a partner. That's harsh. But he is like, he's, he's

Dan 1:

he's literally not alone, given that he's got lodgers in his house, but yes.

Tilly:

He's partnerless. Um, he's definitely not loveless. And so, He just stays with us for a night or two, around it, which is to have dinner with him and see him. Um, and it's obviously not such a big

Dan 1:

It's always awkward what to do in the evening, because we can't fit the three of us on the sofa.

Tilly:

us

Dan 1:

So here's to sit on an armchair. Now armchairs don't face the projector, it was fine when we had the mirror behind us. Now we don't have the mirror behind us. I always just kind of feel a bit awkward, because I'm like, I've reached the end of the day. I just want to put something on telly and just watch something and then I'm like, but you can't see what's going on. I

Tilly:

I think it's also pretty quite good for us to not have a TV.

Dan 1:

not have it too deep. Ahhhh! Ha

Tilly:

I know.

Dan 1:

ha! Um, and also you've got

Tilly:

Um, and also you've got to remember like once Zoe's eating, we will be eating at the table, we won't be eating for the TV at the

Dan 1:

seeing. Ahhhh! Ha ha ha ha! Because

Tilly:

Because that's really important, family dinner times. Yes.

Dan 1:

Ha ha

Tilly:

Yes. Oh no.

Dan 1:

Ha ha ha!

Tilly:

But I think it was quite a shock to dad, wasn't it? He's obviously not been around babies for a long time. And he's forgotten, yeah, she's not running around and stuff yet, but she still needs a lot of involvement and attention.

Dan 1:

Yeah. So he took her to Rhyme

Tilly:

Um, so he took her to Rhyme Time, that was just up the road, so he pushed her in the pram up to there. My dad's got quite bad arthritis in his ankles,

Dan 1:

so

Tilly:

um, and so walking's quite hard for him. And so by the time we got back he was kind of a bit tired and sore, and I think probably a bit fed up.

Dan 1:

And she was having quite a needy day.

Tilly:

Yeah.

Dan 1:

And she settles a lot easier if she's being sort of balanced while standing. And so I think your dad found that a bit frustrating because, you know, his, his ankles had already hurt from going up and down to rhyme time and then trying to, having to keep kind of settling her by standing and walking to the window to the back door and all that I think A lot of steps versus what he's used to, as it were.

Tilly:

yeah, I mean, hopefully it's up to get himself in better shape for, for granddad times., because we've wanted him around for a long time. Yeah, I've wanted to be an involved grandad. But, you've actually got to be fairly fit to be a good grandparent, I think. Yeah,

Dan 1:

he's got to be fairly fit to look after the kids in any capacity. Yeah, but obviously, this is

Tilly:

Yeah, but obviously it's just hard to build it yet, I guess.

Dan 1:

but you've still

Tilly:

Like, in some ways, even if you're young, I don't think you've still got some, you've still got the energy of youth, as it were.

Dan 1:

Like, I'm, I'm intrigued by what it's going to be like. Your grandad versus my grandad. Because your grandad, her great, her great grandad on your side, obviously spends a lot of time trying to stay fit. Yeah,

Tilly:

is his machine

Dan 1:

Yeah, yeah. Which was my grandad's old thing, but he actually got told off for using it too much because he used to use it too infrequently, and now that he's got a pacemaker, I think he got he got told that he had to just do more light exercise as it were rather than trying to every trying to do lots of rowing every so often says oh Nice, she's just been, she's just spluttered, you'll probably hear that on the mic, bit of sick.

Tilly:

probably Burpee, shouldn't she? You're happy with yourself

Dan 1:

You're happy with yourself now,

Tilly:

you? She is! After she expels, she's always quite happy. After she does a massive poo. I don't know, he was pretty happy with himself, aren't you? Which is better than being distressed, I suppose.

Dan 1:

I suppose. And so my grandad doesn't really row anymore. Um, and so he tries to stay fit in terms of, he tries to stretch and he wants keep his mobility, but they're both very healthy for their age. Um, just your, your granddad obviously is doing a lot of exercise. Whereas, Mine unfortunately with the pacemaker and stuff like that is limited in kind of what he can do

Tilly:

um. Your grandad's,

Dan 1:

grandad's, like you say, into rowing, TRX,

Tilly:

Yeah, so he's supposed to

Dan 1:

Well, so, yeah, so does he. Well I

Tilly:

That's what I was

Dan 1:

isn't it? That wasn't his instant drink most

Tilly:

like to drink.

Dan 1:

generation that doesn't like the evening wine, isn't

Tilly:

every day?

Dan 1:

You have to drink it every day. When

Tilly:

drank? Christmas. We must have

Dan 1:

time you drank?

Tilly:

ago. But like,

Dan 1:

Unless I'm with people, you don't count, unless I'm with like, yeah, unless I'm like with other people and other people are drinking, I won't have one. So yeah, it must, it must be Nick's birthday, I think was the last time I drank.

Tilly:

I drank. Yeah. Um,

Dan 1:

Um, so what was that? Yeah, that was mid Feb. So yeah, about two weeks ago.

Tilly:

Yeah, it's very sporadic with us, isn't it?

Dan 1:

Yeah, so sometimes I won't have drunk for like, two months, and sometimes I might have drunk like, Might drink three times a week or something, but it's never really like, uh

Tilly:

Yeah, it's like, even at Christmas, I'm breastfeeding, so I wasn't drinking masses. I think I had like a couple of glasses here and there.

Dan 1:

there. Um, and I haven't had a

Tilly:

Um, not like a proper drink since the New Year's before. Yeah, and then after that I've got preggers with you, so that'll stop that. That'll stop that!

Dan 1:

about next weekend?

Tilly:

Um, however, next weekend. Next

Dan 1:

got me and Tilly's best friends to all turn 32 in March.

Tilly:

Erin's birthday. So, I've got me and two of my best friends to all turn 30 within March.

Dan 1:

party in Harbour

Tilly:

So Auntie Erin, Zoe's guardian,

Dan 1:

one. Zoe's actually

Tilly:

turns 30 on Friday, on the 8th, and we're going to be partying hard on the Saturday. It's going to be great fun. sleepover at Nana's, so maybe on next Sunday on Mother's Day we'll do a recording and you can have a hungover one of me. That's going to be like the first time I've had a proper drink. So I'm going to, one, be absolutely lightweight, and two, just don't know how it's going to affect me. I don't generally get hangovers.

Dan 1:

I'm just

Tilly:

tired and not my best the next day. But this could be it, you know, almost 30, maybe I'm going to get hangovers now.

Dan 1:

be it, you know. We're 30, maybe I'm going to get

Tilly:

the big 3 0.

Dan 1:

30?

Tilly:

I don't, I feel fine about turning 30, it doesn't bother me. I think it's a privilege to age.

Dan 1:

it. Really?

Tilly:

better with age. Yeah. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I did unless there was, unless something

Dan 1:

sure I did, unless there was Unless something happened in my sleep that I don't recall. And then in which case I don't count it

Tilly:

know at all. In which case, don't count it. Yeah, maybe.

Dan 1:

it. I was going to say I'd do it in the next week or so. Yeah. That's just unlikely.

Tilly:

She's a pretty good tie. I think I want to go, like, quick shag with her. It was we've not shagged. I don't think I'm going to shag anyone

Dan 1:

don't get me started on

Tilly:

But tonight, as we say all the time, maybe. But actually, next weekend we are. We're

Dan 1:

excited about

Tilly:

Of course I'm excited.

Dan 1:

like three weeks

Tilly:

not three weeks, it's a week time now. Okay,

Dan 1:

but you've been excited about

Tilly:

it. Have you not? No, because I've just thought

Dan 1:

No, because I've just thought to myself, if this really matters, we can manufacture a way of doing it sooner. It does

Tilly:

with her,

Dan 1:

it's nice the idea of her

Tilly:

And it's nice the idea of her not being here, like that's quite exciting to me, like, we can have sex and there's not risk of her waking up and us having to stop and be interrupted, she won't be here, we can do it, we could do it multiple times, we could do it really slowly, there's no need to be like quickly, just put it in, you know, that's quite exciting. Yeah, and then it's Mother's Day! First Mother's Day.

Dan 1:

Ooh. Ooh.

Tilly:

Move that bib around. Vomiting, of course, would be very Well,

Dan 1:

You're vomiting at the thought

Tilly:

we're going

Dan 1:

parents having sex. Well that's how you

Tilly:

to make you a sibling, so

Dan 1:

you a sibling, so. That's not how,

Tilly:

with a dog. We've got

Dan 1:

Fatty boy the dog. That's what I

Tilly:

surprise kid. Bubba is really discovering her hands now, isn't

Dan 1:

so strange when she

Tilly:

of like, will cry sometimes and then stop and just look at her hands. And be like, wow. Oh my god, my hand. My hand. Yeah. And then suddenly she realizes that she can move her feet as well. And you see her hands and her feet and she's like, What? My mind is blown! I think it must be so strange, because her hands are short

Dan 1:

Touch all four at once and you'll just melt.

Tilly:

at

Dan 1:

Just psychologically melt.

Tilly:

Psychologically, no.

Dan 1:

going to get crazy about it next weekend. For 10 months. Once we do this apart. Oh yeah? Yeah.

Tilly:

yeah, and she's also got all her girlfriends coming over, they're gonna have a little cuddle with you. I used to babysit all my mum's friends kids when I was, when I was younger, so, it's gonna be a long time. can babysit mine.

Dan 1:

And then they're all gonna be like, oh, it's just, just three, four more years until this is my, for me.

Tilly:

some of them have already got, one of them's already got grandkids.

Dan 1:

care.

Tilly:

What we've been talking about this week is Bubba, isn't it, and her party.

Dan 1:

Baba

Tilly:

The about christenings, or dedications, or

Dan 1:

okay, I didn't know we were talking about this on here.

Tilly:

Yeah, sure.

Dan 1:

No, I don't mind talking about it on here. I'm just curious if you want to talk about it. Yeah, sure.

Tilly:

want to talk about? No,

Dan 1:

No, I'm happy to. I mean, we can talk about all sorts.

Tilly:

talk about. Sure. There's a rich pool.

Dan 1:

You know, she's been, like I say, she's been discovering her hands.

Tilly:

our hands,

Dan 1:

She's been sitting up. We were talking, she's now, she's, she's always loved sitting up, but she's now.

Tilly:

That's pretty

Dan 1:

to be vertical, don't you? You're not a, you're not

Tilly:

You wanna be in the world involved in it, don't you? You're not passive.

Dan 1:

going to raise a passive child. It's

Tilly:

We, I think we were never gonna raise a passive child. She's definitely not that. She's very curious, which is great. It means curious is a lot more at work. I think if you're a curious child, you have to constantly like show things to them and explore and answer their questions and stuff. But I'd much rather that

Dan 1:

don't really need to worry when they're older. Because, if you, if they're curious, they kind of, it's a lot of hard work up front. And then they kind of set themselves up for life. Whereas if you just Very passive and just let the world go by. You then spend your adult life being like, well you spend your, your, your adult parent life kind of worrying like.

Tilly:

I'm not going to do anything.

Dan 1:

Yeah.

Tilly:

Yeah. Um, but I think probably most time passive people raise passive people.

Dan 1:

very curious. I don't remember

Tilly:

Um, but we're both very curious people. I can remember, oh, I was speaking to my mum earlier because we were talking about Zoe and how curious she is. She's like, oh, it's great, you were exactly the same. I was like, I know, I remember all my report cards from school being like, She's very inquisitive, and they were saying it in an obviously annoying way, because I was constantly asking questions, which

Dan 1:

which

Tilly:

teachers should like, but obviously I imagine it can't get a big rating. She's got loads of little kids being like, why? Why? Why? Why? Why?

Dan 1:

I think you were more curious probably from an academic perspective, I was more curious from a, from a troublemaking perspective, in that I wanted to see the, I wanted, I would, I liked physical repercussions of things, so often that meant things would get broken. Because it'd be like, what happens if this, and the, you know, what happens if these two things, or what happens if I throw this thing, or what happens if, you know, I stamp on this thing, what happens, so it was always a, a curiosity, but it was, it was quite annoying for teachers to have to handle, because it was like, It was an exploration of the physical world, be it like, running into bushes, or, you know, picking stuff out of trees, eating things, or

Tilly:

I definitely wasn't academic, I wouldn't say academic, with

Dan 1:

wasn't academic. More theoretical, as it were.

Tilly:

I wanted to know why and how things worked. Yeah. So

Dan 1:

I wasn't as bothered by the why, I was more bothered by the how, and that was the physical how. Um, and

Tilly:

and often I'd ask things that they wouldn't necessarily expect me to ask. And I think they would throw

Dan 1:

bit. And it made the teachers uncomfortable,

Tilly:

Or it made things, teachers, uncomfortable. I never understood why it made them uncomfortable, and I'd be like, I want to know these things. You know, why wouldn't you tell me that? Or like, I'd ask some questions about, I remember in our remake in my tea, one of my teachers cry. I was just want to know things. Why are you crying about it? Because I was asking

Dan 1:

Because I was asking

Tilly:

Jesus and stuff.

Dan 1:

and I would

Tilly:

And I've not been raised religious.

Dan 1:

mean, to

Tilly:

to write an essay and I wrote one about how Jesus could have been considered a terrorist of his time. Yeah,

Dan 1:

Yeah, no, I mean, you were, you were, um, you were a bit before your time, because there was a, there was quite a controversial, was it a film or series that was all about that? know. In the last five, ten years? I

Tilly:

think they

Dan 1:

Maybe they've stolen it from you.

Tilly:

from you. But I think, like, how

Dan 1:

like, how pathetic do you need to be as a teacher to find that, like,

Tilly:

it's a

Dan 1:

So, like, it's a kid's opinion. I

Tilly:

I know. And I wasn't mean about it. I wasn't being malicious. I wasn't being like, God, he's a piece of shit. You know, I was just, like, you know, explaining what he could have been considered. And then she was like, how good was that? And I was just like, well, tell me why he isn't.

Dan 1:

he isn't. Explain to

Tilly:

Explain to me, like, why he couldn't be considered. I get, like, I'm not saying he was a bad person.

Dan 1:

saying he's a

Tilly:

Also, everyone who

Dan 1:

who does

Tilly:

does these things thinks they're right. I'm

Dan 1:

not a

Tilly:

Do you know what I mean? Terrorism is so generally for a reason.

Dan 1:

not saying I agree with

Tilly:

I'm not saying I agree with terrorism. I'm just saying, the person who's doing it obviously thinks they're on the right.

Dan 1:

going to think they're on the right, and

Tilly:

And their followers are going to think they're on the right. And that's just like, if you're a Christian, you're a follower of Jesus. I'm

Dan 1:

a follower of Christ.

Tilly:

follower of Christ. But,

Dan 1:

Yeah, I've

Tilly:

Because I've always been like that. And I'm not, I don't like accepting sort of just the standard answer.

Dan 1:

like, being too, like, rigid in their

Tilly:

Or like, people being too, like, rigid in their thinking, I'm like Yeah, that's a problem that I

Dan 1:

Yeah, that's a problem that I have is when people just tell me to do things, if I don't know the why, it doesn't get done very well.

Tilly:

the reason it

Dan 1:

Whereas if someone explains the why, and I'm like, actually that's reasonably good, I'll go after it wholeheartedly, but if I think I'm just being asked to do a job for a job's sake, it's It's a bit of a shit task, really, the output. You're like that, you're seeing something, like, we all

Tilly:

that with your opinions aren't like we, we'll, we'll discuss things and you'll be like,

Dan 1:

this, this,

Tilly:

no. And I'll be like, well, think about this, this, this, and this. And

Dan 1:

very strong

Tilly:

oh, okay. So you're someone who's got very strong opinions, but you're not not open to other opinions, which is what I really love about you, because if you believe something, you'll really fight for it.

Dan 1:

it.

Tilly:

But if we're discussing something and you can, and you can see. Other reasons, other opinions, and you'll be like, oh yeah, I never thought about it from that angle.

Dan 1:

angry. Strong opinions loosely held.

Tilly:

Yeah. That's important. That should

Dan 1:

I think it's important, because you've got to be able, because I think you need to have, firstly, like you say, you need to be able to fight for things, and secondly, you need to be able to actually, you know, in this world, so many people either don't have an opinion, or just have an opinion that they either won't consider or haven't considered.

Tilly:

Whereas most of mine are either

Dan 1:

Whereas most of mine are either considered or I'm open to considering them

Tilly:

I ended up having a fun

Dan 1:

hence why a few weeks ago I ended up

Tilly:

Communist Party.

Dan 1:

Having a fun discussion of the Reading, the Reading Communist Party. Didn't I say?

Tilly:

how you

Dan 1:

Didn't I say? Oh yeah, we had the Jehovah's around as well. Discussing with them.

Tilly:

I was trying not

Dan 1:

I was trying not to discuss with them I was just gonna let them say their piece, gonna take their Little manuscripts and then crack on with my day. You were like,

Tilly:

the

Dan 1:

but you don't like women

Tilly:

didn't say that, I didn't

Dan 1:

women

Tilly:

like women. I said I don't think it's necessarily the best environment for women. The guy at the back had a really annoying face, I just, I couldn't ignore him. I was like, alright, let's fucking go. That's the girl. The guy at the front was alright, he was quite friendly. Nice guy, you know, cool coat. Thank you. But, can I swing it back? I was like, you've got a smug little pricky face. I was just like, I

Dan 1:

like, I can't be bothered with this shit right now, but I don't wanna be rude to you. So say your piece. I'll take your little pamphlet, I'll read it while I'm next, taking a shit, and then I'll toss it.

Tilly:

and

Dan 1:

And you were like, let's have a discussion about whether Jehovahs a great for women or not, Which brings us background to the topic of christening or so. Um, I guess. We, um, I believe in a God, and I think it is likely the Christian God. I, um, usually quite wary of discussing that because when you talk about, um, religion, people, I'm very hesitant to say what I believe in because People aren't asking you what you believe in, people are trying to align you with what they believe your beliefs are. Yeah. I. e. they've got a preconception of what Christianity is or whatever religion it is. And so people are often quite taken aback when you kind of go, Oh, I'm this religion or that religion because they kind of go, I didn't, I didn't think you would be.

Tilly:

Mmm. And

Dan 1:

And that sort of thing and that's because people always have their own kind of, It's something that everyone's got a view of, and people don't ever really, seek to understand what your view of it is, people just then decide to align you with their view of it.

Tilly:

Yeah.

Dan 1:

Um, so, and for that reason, I don't actually, you know, I'm, I'm yet to find a church that I kind of agree with, because I think that it's something that can span so many viewpoints and can be so different in, um, how people decide to live their faith. and I think that it's an individual. You know, the whole premise of it is that you have a relationship with whoever your deity is, as it were, like, whoever you believe in, that's a personal thing. so, I'm always hesitant

Tilly:

hesitant

Dan 1:

to create this group think whereby, you know, I entrust one person who stands on a stage to tell me how I should feel Cause, I mean, the way I think about it is, I would never get married to somebody that I never got to physically meet. And the only way I got to know about them was through someone else. Do you see what I mean? Like, can you imagine if you were married, you never met the person, and every once a week you just went to a service with loads of other people. And they constantly told you how you should feel about your partner.

Tilly:

It's got

Dan 1:

It's kind of a very weird concept, as it were. That's kind of how I think about it. And I just think that it's an individual relationship. And therefore I'm very hesitant about it. But, um, and that's for a load of, you know, deeper and, Other reasons to do with my dad earlier on in life and lots of things that I don't really want to go into right now because that is like a whole podcast episode of shite. Um, and so given that I want to do a blessing, which is effectively the idea of, you know, um, To provide so the idea being that God blesses her and I hope you know if she was to unfortunately die or whatever She could go to heaven Because obviously, you know, I'm not I'm not trying to say that kids who die don't but you don't know as it were

Tilly:

to me this

Dan 1:

To me, this is just maybe a way of increasing the chances. Yeah, hedging your bets effectively Now, the other, the options are kind of, to christen, to dedicate, or to, um,

Tilly:

or what

Dan 1:

bless, or what was the other one?

Tilly:

So, um, you can

Dan 1:

Oh yeah, naming ceremony. So, um,

Tilly:

You know, there are all these options, and so christening is one of them, which, you know,

Dan 1:

I don't want to do because I think you should have the choice. So for example, I'm not baptized just because I'm not yet at the point that I think I'm willing to make that commitment because I don't. You know, I don't feel like I'm, you know, I don't have a church, so I wouldn't, I wouldn't know where I'd get baptized. I don't really have a Christian community that I'm part of, partly because I want to find my own, define my own relationship first. Therefore, I don't want to enforce kind of any viewpoints or beliefs or have her make decisions before she's able to, um, and therefore blessing is the one that I think suits best. I get that obviously it's not a solid agreement whereby the church suddenly say at the age of 16 when she says, I'm not religious, they go, well, you, your parents made a decision for you.

Tilly:

Tough shit you are now.

Dan 1:

But, um, but still, it's just a case of, you know, having her actually make the choice for herself. Yeah, more boo boo. And also I guess

Tilly:

also, I guess it fits better into our blend of religiousness and non religiousness. Because, although I wouldn't have had a problem, I wouldn't have had a problem. If you decided you wanted her to be christened,

Dan 1:

meant a

Tilly:

if that meant a lot to you, absolutely fine with it. Like, you know, we got married in a church.

Dan 1:

got

Tilly:

And so, through our relationship we've made it work. Because it's always been a discussion for us. You know, when we first met, I remember, not when we first met, but we'd been dating for a while. I remember sitting down with him and going, Look, like, I know you're religious. I have no issue with that. You know, I'm supportive of that. I'm not religious. You know, is this at some point going to be a problem for us in our relationship? I mean, you know, that was a discussion we had at that point. You know,

Dan 1:

wasn't because

Tilly:

we decided it wasn't because I was fine with being part of the community. Like I attended church in the past and I'm happy to do so again.

Dan 1:

Because for me it's

Tilly:

Because for me, it's not just the religion, it's the community you build around it.

Dan 1:

you go. And this is just the

Tilly:

this is just the next step in our discussion for us, isn't it?

Dan 1:

Yeah. Um, definitely feels

Tilly:

It definitely feels more fitting for us to have a dedication.

Dan 1:

a dedication. Yeah. So I need to get on with that at some point, or I can just make it her first birthday.

Tilly:

sort of discussing it on and off haven't we for a while. And then we

Dan 1:

we

Tilly:

I know we could get a christened and you know, like you said earlier, if people get christened and they don't necessarily feel dedicated to the church. But I think you and me both believe that if you make a commitment, then you've made a commitment.

Dan 1:

Yeah,

Tilly:

And so we don't want to make that commitment for her.

Dan 1:

yeah, so gonna get a blessed slash dedicated at some point

Tilly:

it means we can properly formally give her her godparents. Yeah. And her guardians and stuff. You do?

Dan 1:

Oh,

Tilly:

it's a party. It's a

Dan 1:

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Tilly:

And funny's. Yeah, we've got tons of

Dan 1:

And we've got a chuntering baby.

Tilly:

What do you want to start with?

Dan 1:

Um, okay. So. I'll start with my funny. Um, this week. She, as she's been getting control of her hands. She's mesmerized by them. However, she's not got control of her fingers So she often tries to squeeze them together and it results in the middle finger just popping out

Tilly:

But then

Dan 1:

But then she also stares very intently at her hand and beyond her hand. So it looks like

Tilly:

sick. So it looks terrible. Ruining my

Dan 1:

Ruining my story baby girl, which is sick

Tilly:

So

Dan 1:

So it looks like she's just swearing at you because she'll just pop a middle finger and look straight at you So we've got a very good photo while she was With my mum, where she was just staring through her finger at me. Staring through a middle finger. Okay, baby girl's going for a feed. So that's my funny. Middle finger baby.

Tilly:

just

Dan 1:

Just swearing at people. She looks so intent when she does it as

Tilly:

it. Yeah. Or she smiles as well. She

Dan 1:

She just pops that middle finger up.

Tilly:

It's like when she does a bit of stick where she holds it in her mouth and then smiles and then just lets it out. That's just a stick that just sort of like waterfalls out of her mouth. She's

Dan 1:

do you want? We've just changed your nappy. There's booby there. You need to sleep.

Tilly:

getting, yeah, that's it, she's getting tired so she's getting a bit, I don't know what I want.

Dan 1:

what I want.

Tilly:

So my low and funny are kind of together though.

Dan 1:

Is there any way that you can keep her quiet? Like, just, is there anything that we can just put in her mouth for her to chew?

Tilly:

just really shove her onto

Dan 1:

Yeah,

Tilly:

yeah.

Dan 1:

in milk. Boopy drowning. Um, she was

Tilly:

was feeding her, I was, maybe it was like Sunday or something. And suddenly, my god, she just like bit down or something on my nipple and it was such searing pain. And she doesn't think she's got teeth here but it felt like she bloody had teeth. It was like, you were in the room weren't you? And I sort of, so I went, GASP! Really loudly. Because it was funny, it was funny but it really hurt. And again, she just sort of went, she was shocked at the noise I made, sort of popped up and looked at me and then sort of smiled.

Dan 1:

I have enjoyed that. How she's mastered the sort of, Pop off roll and look. Yeah, so now if she's kind of had enough feeding and we're trying to feed her for whatever reason like maybe For example, you've come back with a full boob

Tilly:

I'm like, please take that baby! Like the shit she's doing right now.

Dan 1:

Or if I come into the room and she wants to see what's going on She'll just pop off roll her head around and look really curiously

Tilly:

Yeah, so that's kind of like, It was mainly funny, but it did really hurt. that was fun, wasn't it?

Dan 1:

my low and funny

Tilly:

I'm glad we've got funny notes, this is good.

Dan 1:

Was her um

Tilly:

Her,

Dan 1:

Her, her new Weird breathing Where she just decides to I think stop breathing

Tilly:

then she'll just start breathing normally for like

Dan 1:

normally for like 10 30 seconds And then do it again Seems like she's started realizing that she can control how she breathes.

Tilly:

control how she breathes. I

Dan 1:

thought she was just having fun holding her breath.

Tilly:

her breath. Might be. In which case, let's not do that. That's not fun. That's when you start sleeping by yourself in your cot, Mum and Daddy will have a heart attack. Um. But yeah, it's very weird she does that. So that was quite

Dan 1:

So that was my low funny

Tilly:

doesn't it?

Dan 1:

we're like, what the fuck's going on? I was getting ready to really clap her back. Yeah.

Tilly:

clap her

Dan 1:

then she just starts breathing again.

Tilly:

she just starts screaming at me. Look mate, you've

Dan 1:

it? No, you've got one to go, you

Tilly:

low. I've

Dan 1:

you just combied

Tilly:

combis.

Dan 1:

lazy, that is. Classic, you always do this. Come out like some fucking positive mother

Tilly:

not, but like, I just think we've been really lucky with her.

Dan 1:

with her. We have, yeah. But just bitch about mundane. You can bitch

Tilly:

can bitch about her hair if you want. Yeah, like most babies, she's got like, random bits of hair. Bits have rubbed off, bits have gotten really long, bits have only started to grow in, so she's got real patches. She's got sort of a really bad rugby player mullet, hasn't she?

Dan 1:

really bad rugby player mullet.

Tilly:

kind of the vibe, I just don't want to watch

Dan 1:

Bit

Tilly:

I

Dan 1:

hair. As long as I don't

Tilly:

be Milo if you want, I can just bitch about a haircut. We might as well get a little bitching in now so she can understand us.

Dan 1:

your high then? My high?

Tilly:

Because then we'll have Slager off behind her back. what's been your high? My high? I really enjoyed her like, she's been talking for a while, but this week her talking seems to have changed quite a bit. She started doing sort of more like, sort of meowing, mewing, sort of like quite cute little meows. Noises. Not a lot she's doing

Dan 1:

going to spit up some of her cottage cheese, is sick. I'm

Tilly:

Alright. I'll hold the bib like this.

Dan 1:

Yeah, so she's definitely decided that she's started, she's learnt to change how she speaks

Tilly:

lot of variation in noises now. So I think that's been really sweet. It's been nice.

Dan 1:

nice. That's

Tilly:

sort of going, I can't do them, but she's very cute. What about you? What's your high been?

Dan 1:

Um, low first.

Tilly:

fast. Okay. I think

Dan 1:

I think yesterday was a bit frustrating, because I was like, I'm kind of meant to be working, but at the same time, I had to try and make sure that everything

Tilly:

make sure

Dan 1:

tickety boo, because you weren't in a good mood, were you?

Tilly:

to come

Dan 1:

So I wasn't able to work, and

Tilly:

wasn't able to work

Dan 1:

And leave you with,

Tilly:

you with Your

Dan 1:

yeah, your grandad, because you weren't, you weren't too happy yesterday. You weren't in your most pliable of moods.

Tilly:

just trying to make sure that

Dan 1:

frustrating.

Tilly:

And

Dan 1:

then, Maihai. I think I've just enjoyed being back more, because it means that I see her in the, you know, we spend time in the evenings, in the mornings.

Tilly:

more family

Dan 1:

There's just a lot more family time.. Rather than just our family walks.

Tilly:

Yeah?

Dan 1:

So do you want to do your skiddly bop bop and then we can get out of here before baby kicks off

Tilly:

can get outta here before baby kicks off Skidly bop bop

Dan 1:

like how you, the last bit, the scatch up, but you moved away.

Tilly:

Aaaaaaaah Right when you get this thing and they go Have a good time, professional musician. So this week, we've had,

Dan 1:

I would like to apologise for any of those noises that have

Tilly:

We've had

Dan 1:

through your audio, through your headphones.

Tilly:

of explosive poos, haven't we? There's some big old poos. I think that the top one this week has to be, I can't remember what outfit she's wearing,, But we were just

Dan 1:

a

Tilly:

having a feed on the sofa,

Dan 1:

and she sort of did

Tilly:

And she sort of did a little wriggle, And then it, And this big poo came out, but it didn't seem that big. And then I felt my hand getting a bit wet, holding her behind. I was like, oh, it's obviously leaked a bit. And it turns out it had gone all the way up her back and it had even gone into her ear. I don't understand how she managed it. We've got poo in the ear, it's all up the neck, in the ear. I was doing re uns on the first clean, so I sort of like picked her back up again and I was like, I've got poo on me still. And she had it all over her shoulder and in her ear.

Dan 1:

That's very impressive

Tilly:

very impressive. It must have been some real force. Because it didn't feel like it was that forceful. But we've had quite a few, sort of, explosive poos this week. We had one last night. When we were going around doing our little weekly food shop, which was in the poos. And I thought I could smell poo. But sometimes I just smell like poo. Well. So I wasn't sure if I said poo or me somewhere. And I got you to smell her bum, but you couldn't smell anything. And it turns out she had gone for a poo, and then it leaked through everything.

Dan 1:

But

Tilly:

was a really liquidy poo, wasn't it? The nappy seems to hold in, like, the solids of the poo. And it's

Dan 1:

it's a bit like one of those juicing

Tilly:

like a, yeah, like a shitty piss.

Dan 1:

It's like a juicing clock.

Tilly:

technically scatch up, but she's done some weighty nappies this week, hasn't she?

Dan 1:

She has. They've been

Tilly:

should, we should start weighing them.

Dan 1:

Started throwing something at me just so you can feel the weight

Tilly:

But there was that one that you didn't throw because you thought it might splatter.

Dan 1:

Yeah, there was so much one morning that I wouldn't Usually we bundle them up into a ball and sort of throw them on the floor in the corner of the room to be picked up in a A big group of

Tilly:

nappies.

Dan 1:

nappies, which sounds really disgusting to have a little corner full of nappies in your bedroom.

Tilly:

I, that's fine.

Dan 1:

Um, but that one I wouldn't, I wouldn't throw because I was, firstly, I couldn't see it like I do the others. And secondly, I thought that if I did it would actually, like, splash.

Tilly:

yeah. I think we

Dan 1:

Because I think you maximise your absorbency.

Tilly:

People do like, you know the chart and you must kid against the wall. A little chart for like

Dan 1:

that can be a new segment in our, in our podcast. Heaviest Nappy. They've got, like, top gear. And

Tilly:

They like top gear and then they have like their thing of like, who's driven the track fastest.

Dan 1:

weaning, we can have smellier snappy in terms of like, what food

Tilly:

how do we measure that though? How do we measure a smelly nap?

Dan 1:

because it is fast. Yeah.

Tilly:

How interested.

Dan 1:

got any particular cat chats for me? No, I'm not

Tilly:

Oh, she also managed to shit herself when she sent anagrams. We hadn't given mum a spare nap of their outfit, had we? So she'd sort of sit and start shitting her clothes for a little bit. She didn't care. But, you know, not ideal. We'll sign off for the week. Baby's distressed. Have a lovely week. Catch you at week 21.

Dan 1:

the week. Baby's distressed. Have a lovely week. Catch you at week 21. Oh, and, well, baby's going swimming this afternoon, so we'll be able to update you on that. Often we say we're going to update you on things, and those things don't happen, and so they don't feature in the

Tilly:

that happen, and so there's

Dan 1:

be swimming. No, so, we're going to try swimming. We may not talk about it next week. Or we may manage it and we still may not talk about it next week.

Tilly:

Who knows? Let's see

Dan 1:

knows? Let's see what happens next week. Stay tuned. Bye!