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Matt Edmundson: Welcome to this
week's Crowd Church service.

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We are a digital church on a
quest to discover how Jesus helps

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us live a more meaningful life.

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We are a community, a space to explore
the Christian faith, and a place

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where you can contribute and grow.

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Our service will last about an hour,
and in a few seconds we will start

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with a time of worship, after which you
will meet our hosts for our service,

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who will introduce today's guest.

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After the talk, we head into Conversation
Street, where we look at your stories

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and questions that you've posted in the
comments throughout the live stream.

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I want to invite you to connect with
us here at Crowd Church, and there are

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a few ways that you can do just that.

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Firstly, you can engage with Crowd
from any device during our live

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stream, and if you're up for it.

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Why not invite a few friends over
and experience the service together?

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Church is all about connecting with
God and connecting with others, and

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one of the easiest ways for you to
do that is to also join one of our

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mid week groups where we meet online
together to catch up and discover

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more about the amazingness of Christ.

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You can also subscribe to our podcast
called What's It's the story where

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we deep dive into stories of faith
and courage from everyday people.

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More information about all of these
things that I've mentioned can

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be found on our website at www.

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crowd.

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church or you can reach us on
social media at crowdchurch.

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If you're new to crowd or
new to the Christian faith.

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Faith and would like to know
what your next steps to take are.

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Why not?

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Head over to our website, crowd
Church slash Next for more details.

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And now the moment you've
been waiting for is here.

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Our online church service starts.

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Now, wow, good evening.

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Welcome to Crowd Online Church.

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My name is Matt Edmundson and
beside me is absolutely no one.

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Now, if you're a regular to Crowd,
you know that there's normally

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two of us side by side today.

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But Anna, my Co host is MIA, so if
anyone's seen Anna, just give her a

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little nudge, tell her she's supposed
to be here, she's not answering the

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phone, so I hope everything's alright.

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But that said, we will crack on.

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How has your Sunday been?

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Hopefully it's been good.

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Let's see what we've got
going on in the comments here.

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You're going to have to join me and
help me in the comments, folks, because

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if I'm flying solo I'm going to,
I'm going to need that conversation.

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Do write, say hi in the comments.

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Hi Miriam.

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Miriam's in the comments.

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Hey Miriam, how you doing?

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Tobias, even in first time joining
the live stream, but have been

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enjoying the Alpha Series videos.

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Tobias, great to have you, man.

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Great that you're here with us.

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Glad you've been enjoying
the Alpha Course.

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They're great, aren't they?

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They're, not because we did them.

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I just want to point that out.

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They're great because they're
great because it's Alpha.

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Great to have you, Tobias.

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Hi, Sarah.

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Hi, Keith and Peter from
Spain joining us again.

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Great to have you.

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Week number two, guys.

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Welcome.

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Great that you're joining us.

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Whoop.

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Here we go.

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Mine has been really special.

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According to Miriam, her
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Just jot in the comments.

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Let me know what you've
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It'd be great to hear about it.

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I have been not that you really
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busily installing a diesel heater.

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For some strange reason, I decided
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kitchen would be a good Thing to do.

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And test number one
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I'm not gonna like pretty stoked
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You.

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It's good job.

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You can't smell my hands 'cause they
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What have you guys been doing?

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Enjoying your Sunday afternoon?

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Hopefully Keith and Peter also
enjoying the alpha course here.

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You know what, this is great.

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Let me just mention this.

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If you are new to crowd.

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And you're watching this.

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So if you're new to the Christian faith,
you want to know more about the Christian

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faith, you've got questions, want to
explore it, do check out the Alpha Course.

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Now if you go to the website,
I'm just going to check on

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the URL here, it's crowd.

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church, www.

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church.

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org.

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Let me put it up on the screen.

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He says, I think it's that one there.

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Yes, look at that.

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If you go, who says I can't multitask.

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If you go to crowd.

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church and click on, there's various
links to get to alpha, but the best way

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to get to it, I think it's probably just
to scroll to the bottom and the fourth

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link down says alpha course online.

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And then all the alpha
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Things like, is there
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Who is Jesus?

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Why did Jesus die?

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Why did we proclaim that as, Christians?

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What's that all about?

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How can I be sure of my faith?

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What's prayer all about?

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What's the Bible all about?

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Does God guide us?

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Who's the Holy Spirit?

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Making the most life.

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How do I resist evil?

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Still one of the most popular talks.

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And should we talk about our faith?

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Excuse me.

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Should we share it?

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Should we do all of those things?

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Does God heal today is a big question.

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Anna, who is MIA, answers that question,
and in fact, Anna's just texted me.

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Shall we see what she has to say?

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Put my glasses on.

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Oh my gosh, so sorry, we went to Andy's
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Just seeing this now, okay, for
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her some grief, because frankly,
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She's gone to her husband's, to her mother
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So hopefully they're all right over there.

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But yes we'll crack on, shall we?

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Today we have the talk by Dan Orange.

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Dan is one of the
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You can You can get your notepads ready.

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This is actually his first talk,
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I've not heard it yet, and
I'm really excited to hear it.

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I've been friends with Dan for
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to hear what he's got to say.

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Now, we have been working our way
through the book of Acts, and for

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you, if you're new, like to buy us
with us, Acts is a book in the New

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Testament, after the four Gospels.

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Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John,
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And then you have the Book of
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of the beginnings of the church.

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What happened after Jesus goes to heaven?

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What happens those sort of
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That's what we find out in the
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busy working our way through it.

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It has taken a very long time.

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We were joking about this last week.

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It seems to have taken us a bit of an age,
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Even though it has taken a long time,
I have really positively enjoyed it.

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It's been absolutely phenomenal.

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I've got a lot out of this Alpha Series.

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So Dan's going to do his talk on Alpha.

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Write your questions, write your
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And I will be back by myself
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Matt, you're doing amazing.

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You're doing amazing on your Todd.

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Bless you.

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Thanks, Miriam.

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I will be back after the talk
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So yeah, do get right in the comments.

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Do write your thoughts, write
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It talks about 15 minutes I think,
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carry on a conversation about it.

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I'm just looking for the
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I think it's this one.

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So I'm gonna push this.

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Here's Dan I'll see you
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Dan Orange: So on to Acts chapter 25.

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I thought I'd give a little recap of where
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So Paul has completed many journeys
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He's currently on his third missionary
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Mediterranean and Middle East,
traveling miles by sea and foot.

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Most scholars believe in his lifetime, he
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So he sailed and walked 10, 000
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even by today's standards.

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He spent that time teaching, spending
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the followers of the way that
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He's already been stoned.

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He's been jailed.

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Shaved his head for a vow, but seen
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and know about this wonderful Jesus,
the Messiah, the forgiver of sins.

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He spends lots of time in the
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preaching over many days each time.

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He didn't just come along, preach
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and energy to the good news.

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He's already written some of the letters
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to the Galatians and Corinthians,
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He's approximately 53 years old
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23 years after his dramatic
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There's now a new Roman
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Felix had held him for two years, hoping
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release him, and now Festus is in charge.

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Do you feel that your life has ups
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hard times, there, the times that,
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in Paul's case here, protecting him.

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Let's read the first section, chapter 25.

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Three days after arriving in the
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to Jerusalem, where the chief priests and
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They requested Festus as a favour
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Jerusalem, for they were preparing
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Festus answered, Paul is being held at
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Let some of your leaders come with me.

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If the man has done anything wrong, they
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After spending eight or ten days with
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The next day he convened the court and
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Paul had been held in
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The Jewish leaders hadn't given up their
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I'd like to pick out two things here.

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Paul has to be patient.

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He's got no choice.

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He simply can't do anything else,
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Paul was stuck under arrest and couldn't
do much, but he could have just sat

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and stewed in his own self pity.

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But he didn't.

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He spent his time listening to God,
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In his next prison situation he wrote
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He was just sat there doing nothing.

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I know in the time that we live in, it's
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I'm a dad, a husband, a business owner.

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There's always something to do,
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Perhaps it's, Furtling on
your phone, what a great word.

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My father in law used this
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What have you been doing, Roger?

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That's my father in law.

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Oh, just been furtling, reading an
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Playing online Scrabble, just furtling.

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It can be good to keep our minds
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from distractions, time on our own,
time where it's easier for God to

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speak to us, less distractions.

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Let's slow down, take five minutes
when it's just you and God.

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I'm speaking to you but also to myself.

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Every time I'm alone with God I
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and I'm back in my life, and I've
got to do this and got to do that.

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Put some God space in your diary.

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I have it now in my diary,
it actually says God space.

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Siri will pop up and say God space,
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busyness of life taking over.

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Jesus says in Luke's Gospel, by
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Let's not be so busy we miss out.

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I need to learn more
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Second point is that these Jewish leaders
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They'd already put pressure on the
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Persistence is a good thing, working
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it's the right thing we're working for.

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I'm from Liverpool and I love this city.

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But in 1989 in Hillsborough,
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disaster of a football match where
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The people of Liverpool,
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who died, fought for justice.

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There'd been incorrect allegations
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and the people of Liverpool, especially
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in the press and by the establishment.

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This took a long time, and a
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They didn't give need to give.

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They didn't give up.

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We need to strive for what's right
by keeping up, but by keeping

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our focus on Him who is right,
listening in the quiet times.

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Jesus said this famously, come to
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laden and I will give you rest.

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Take my yoke upon you and learn from
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and you will find rest for your souls.

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For my yoke is easy.

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And my burden is light.

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Rest in him and take his yoke.

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A little note from this is that we
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need to take a yoke, a light burden.

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We don't walk around skipping
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We are to do his work, whatever
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We're not carrying around the things
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That's what we put on God's shoulders.

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Not to do nothing, but
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This applied to Paul too, so we
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Jesus when he spoke those words was
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and laws that the people at
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We can put our own things on
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Give your troubles, don't have
things that aren't for you.

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Some people can make it their life's
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others, the worries, disguising
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We need to make sure we're just taking
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On to the next part of the
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When Paul came in, the Jews had come
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They'd brought many serious
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they could not prove them.

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Then Paul made his defence.

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I've done nothing wrong against
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the Temple, or against Caesar.

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Fester, wishing to do the Jews a
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to go up to Jerusalem and stand trial
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I'm now standing before Caesar's
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I've not done any wrong to the Jews,
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If however, I am guilty of doing anything
disown death, I do not refuse to die.

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But in the charges brought against
me by these Jews are not true.

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But if the charges brought against me
by the, these Jews are not true, no one

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has the right to hand me over to them.

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I appeal to Caesar after Festus had
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You have appealed to Caesar you will go.

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Paul had to give God his troubles to
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I believe God gave him wisdom on
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He brought the law to his advantage so
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It may have seemed that this just
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time for Paul and for the church.

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In our lives we need to bring
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before God and ask for wisdom.

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To ask for him to move mountains
when necessary, but we need

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to do what we can as well.

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In my own life, my son is having a lot
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and we're praying a lot about things,
we're asking God for wisdom, asking

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God to come to speak to us and to Luke.

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And he has, and he's bringing his
peace, and he's brought his peace

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to him and to us, but we still have
to push and strive in this world.

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For the law says that Luke
should have a good education

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in the country that we live.

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Me, my wife mainly, she's amazing,
studying, petitioning, getting things

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done, submitting formal complaints
if we have to, works not done,

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getting our counsel on board, etc.

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But in all this, God has
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He's got to be the most important thing.

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Otherwise, we can just go.

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Off on a tangent and miss out, if
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in him, then we can look back at
trials and problems and rest in the

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decisions that were made, knowing that
he has made, he has the best for us.

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Romans 8, 28 which Paul wrote in a
similar situation to he is now, and we

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know that all things work together for
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who are called according to his purpose.

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Paul knew his rights on the earth.

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He knew he was a Roman citizen and that
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This decision saved him.

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It stopped that trip to Jerusalem
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him, but it also set off the chain
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incarcerated for another two years.

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This is what I mean by knowing
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In those two years.

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Do you think Paul thought, why don't I
stick to my guns, or why did I not just

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go to Jerusalem, it probably would have
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The last thing I want to mention is
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but it is implied, it's forgiveness.

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I mentioned about fighting for the
truth, for standing firm, in that we can

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come up against others that are against
us, others that can and do hurt us.

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If we dwell on those things and deeds,
they can occupy more than our noble goal.

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The fight can become a grudge
and can eat away at us.

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This is where sometimes the
hardest step has to happen.

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We have to forgive those that
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Paul had plenty of people to forgive.

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Those that stoned him, those that
lied to put him away, those that

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hurt and killed others around him.

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I've had people that have hurt my
son with their I have to forgive, and

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it's hard when it's not even against
you, it's against someone you love.

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The people of Liverpool have seen
justice for what was said about them

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in the press and what I spoke about
earlier, but without forgiveness

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there can still just be hurt.

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These grudges and strivings can
bring anger, they can limit our

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life, they can occupy time, they
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God can and does forgive.

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We need to take his example
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We need to give our fights to God.

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Don't let your grudge be your life.

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God in Jesus came and died that
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and that we can be forgiven.

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All the things that we have done that
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We've been forgiven much.

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It's for us to know that eternal
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grace to enable us to forgive.

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Maybe we need to forgive
those that are close to us.

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Paul, in his letter to the Romans,
is speaking to some of the church

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members about others that have
done wrong and been punished.

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Then he says, let's not add more sorrow
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back our forgiveness toward them.

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I've just read the autobiography
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a really interesting book.

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And he has a Interesting and tricky
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Even after he died, he realised
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to ask for his forgiveness.

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Here's the passage in his own words.

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Easter 2002, Ali and I visited the little
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with a hilltop view that has seen it all.

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From the baroque pulpit, a lone arm sticks
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a fishing boat hangs from the ceiling.

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After the service, sometimes improved I
find if you don't speak the language that

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well, I returned to the pews on my own.

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I sat there and apologised
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I had forgiven him for his own
crimes of passion but I'd never

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asked for his forgiveness for mine.

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I'll never know if it was related
to me asking for this forgiveness

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in that little chapel, but after
my father died something changed.

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I felt I got an extra
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I felt I was becoming a real
tenor as opposed to a pretend one.

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I could ring those high
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I had never hit them before.

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Makes no scientific sense of course,
but I've heard it said that when someone

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close dies, they leave you a kind
of passing gift, some invisible will

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where you inherit a special blessing.

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Bob Hewson's final gift to me was to
enlarge the one he gave me long before.

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I was now a true tenor, no longer a
baritone, I only thought he was a tenor.

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I thought it was a really interesting
example of what forgiveness

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can do for us in real life.

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Sometimes the burden we're holding
on to is unforgiveness and it

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does literally hold us back.

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Perhaps we need to come to him
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And get that extra octave in our lives.

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Matt Edmundson: Welcome back.

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Thank you, Dan, for that great talk.

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Loved it.

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Dan's first talk, ladies and gentlemen.

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I wish I had a button on my desk at
home, which gives a round of applause.

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Don't have it here.

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But it's great.

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I loved it.

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Loved it.

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Loved it.

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So Dan's tour, what did you think?

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What did you take away from it?

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Hello to you if you've
joined us during the talk.

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If you've joined us live,
my name is Matt Edmundson.

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I'm the pastor here at Crowd Church, just
in case you want to know, and normally

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there would be somebody sat beside me.

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We would normally be co hosting the
online church, but Anna she just,

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let's just put it, she just forgot.

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She just forgot she was hosting.

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It totally slipped her
mind, as these things do.

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And so she went and
visited a mother in law.

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Which is, probably one of
those God things really.

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But needless to say, I will be able
to reminder of this every week for

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the next probably year or two really.

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So it's not a total loss.

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But yeah, if you've just joined
us, welcome to Online Church.

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That was Dan speaking Keith and Peter.

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Brilliant talk, Dan.

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Very thought provoking.

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Thanks for sharing.

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Yeah, I loved it.

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We're going to get into it.

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What did you like about it?

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Some of the thought provoking things.

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We have Pastor Alexander in from
the Congo on Facebook joining

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us all the way from the Congo.

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I love technology.

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So people from Spain, people
from the Congo, people from the

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UK, just all over the world.

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Welcome to you.

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Great that you're with
us Pastor Alexander.

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I hope you guys are doing well.

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If you haven't heard yet Pastor
Alexander's talk on, I say talk, his

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podcast we recorded on what's the story.

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So what's the story?

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If you don't know.

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It's a podcast where either me
or Anna when she turns up, you

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can see where this is going.

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And Sadaf we get guests onto the show and
we just interview them about their story.

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And Pastor Alexander was over
from the Congo, which was amazing.

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And so I got a chance to sit down
with him for about an hour and

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just listen to his story about.

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How I became a Christian, what it's
like running a church in the middle

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of a war zone, the hospital that's
being built over there, some amazing

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stuff, real, really great stuff.

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And so if you haven't done
so already, check it out.

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You can find out more information on the
website which I'll put on the screen.

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Just click the podcast link or if
you just want to go straight to it,

469
00:23:54,362 --> 00:23:56,432
just type in whatsthestorypodcast.

470
00:23:56,502 --> 00:24:00,752
com and that will take you to
that specific section of the site.

471
00:24:01,282 --> 00:24:03,692
Now what I'm going to do, I'm going
to press my button there, in the

472
00:24:03,692 --> 00:24:07,322
comments I have added a temporary link.

473
00:24:07,712 --> 00:24:11,202
So given that I'm flying solo and
we've never tried this before.

474
00:24:11,512 --> 00:24:13,962
Let me just point out to you what's
going on with that link and then

475
00:24:13,962 --> 00:24:15,382
we'll get into Conversation Street.

476
00:24:15,932 --> 00:24:19,302
If you are so inclined, if you
click that link it's a temporary

477
00:24:19,302 --> 00:24:20,622
link, it only lasts about an hour.

478
00:24:21,152 --> 00:24:23,712
Bless you BadgerDragons is writing
some really nice stuff in the comments.

479
00:24:23,782 --> 00:24:29,542
If you click that link, it will take
you to a page where you can copy a

480
00:24:29,552 --> 00:24:33,982
URL, which will actually get you to
dial into our live stream, right?

481
00:24:34,022 --> 00:24:36,972
Now, bear in mind, it's going to
ask you To approve your microphone

482
00:24:36,972 --> 00:24:38,232
and to approve your video.

483
00:24:39,352 --> 00:24:45,552
But if you do that, the computer here will
ring and you will come up on my computer

484
00:24:45,562 --> 00:24:49,657
and I can add you to The live stream.

485
00:24:50,177 --> 00:24:51,607
That's in theory how it goes.

486
00:24:51,607 --> 00:24:55,727
I have done this with other podcasts that
we do and so I do know the technology

487
00:24:55,727 --> 00:24:57,907
works, we've just never done it on crowd.

488
00:24:57,907 --> 00:25:01,107
If you want to join me, if you've got
something you want to share, if you've

489
00:25:01,107 --> 00:25:04,397
got a question you want to pose, if
you've got an idea you want to talk about

490
00:25:04,397 --> 00:25:07,577
from Dan's talk, we would we'll try it.

491
00:25:07,587 --> 00:25:08,307
We'll see how it goes.

492
00:25:08,337 --> 00:25:09,647
I don't know how well it's going to work.

493
00:25:09,647 --> 00:25:10,567
I genuinely don't.

494
00:25:10,567 --> 00:25:12,977
I don't even know if any of you are
actually that interested in dialing in.

495
00:25:13,417 --> 00:25:15,237
But the link is in the comments
if you want to join us.

496
00:25:15,328 --> 00:25:19,188
Do so Dan's talk, what
did you think of his talk?

497
00:25:19,208 --> 00:25:19,728
I loved it.

498
00:25:20,068 --> 00:25:23,968
One of the things that's been coming
out of the Book of Acts is this sort of

499
00:25:24,018 --> 00:25:30,408
theme and this theme is, It's very much
a case of the Holy Spirit turns up, Jesus

500
00:25:30,408 --> 00:25:33,798
goes, the Holy Spirit turns up and he
starts doing some amazing things, right?

501
00:25:33,798 --> 00:25:38,028
So as a Christian, we believe the
Trinity exists, that God is three in

502
00:25:38,028 --> 00:25:40,848
one, that he's God the Father, God
the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

503
00:25:41,208 --> 00:25:44,868
The gospels were all about God,
the Son and Acts is really all

504
00:25:44,868 --> 00:25:48,588
about the God, the Holy Spirit
telling everybody about God the Son.

505
00:25:48,918 --> 00:25:50,858
And what we see happening a lot.

506
00:25:51,793 --> 00:25:55,283
As we see the Holy Spirit coming down,
there have been some quite significant

507
00:25:55,293 --> 00:25:56,683
encounters with the Holy Spirit.

508
00:25:56,723 --> 00:25:58,183
People's lives change.

509
00:25:58,898 --> 00:26:03,318
And what happens is the Holy
Spirit empowers ordinary people

510
00:26:03,318 --> 00:26:06,558
to do extraordinary things.

511
00:26:06,618 --> 00:26:09,458
Sometimes that's working a miracle,
sometimes that's just telling the

512
00:26:09,458 --> 00:26:12,638
story, sometimes that's just actually
surviving and living, to be fair.

513
00:26:13,228 --> 00:26:17,458
And so the Holy Spirit comes down
and he enables and empowers people.

514
00:26:17,458 --> 00:26:18,918
He, in effect, gives them a mission.

515
00:26:18,918 --> 00:26:19,818
He gives them a plan.

516
00:26:19,818 --> 00:26:23,368
He gives them a purpose, a reason to live.

517
00:26:24,298 --> 00:26:30,448
And what we see and what we saw today
in Dan's talk was, although there is

518
00:26:30,448 --> 00:26:34,548
a divine call, although there is this
sort of divine plan that God gives

519
00:26:34,548 --> 00:26:37,968
us, doesn't always mean it's easy.

520
00:26:39,113 --> 00:26:44,043
And life can be complex and hard,
but in, because we I suppose in our

521
00:26:44,063 --> 00:26:47,313
modern day thinking, we're like if
God's real and God's going to give

522
00:26:47,313 --> 00:26:50,693
me a plan to do, surely he's going
to make it easy for me to do it.

523
00:26:50,993 --> 00:26:53,723
And life will be fun and a
ball of laughter along the way.

524
00:26:53,723 --> 00:26:56,803
And apparently there's not quite
how it turns out, but God is with

525
00:26:56,803 --> 00:26:57,913
us throughout the whole thing.

526
00:26:58,503 --> 00:27:02,203
And in the complexity and in the
nuances and in the difficulties

527
00:27:02,203 --> 00:27:05,868
in we learn to trust him.

528
00:27:05,868 --> 00:27:08,818
We learn to understand what it
is that God's actually doing

529
00:27:09,198 --> 00:27:10,278
in the midst of everything.

530
00:27:10,278 --> 00:27:12,638
And we see this over and over
again in the book of Acts.

531
00:27:13,598 --> 00:27:17,288
It's this sort of constant theme,
which I find quite staggering.

532
00:27:17,288 --> 00:27:20,898
It's probably one of my biggest
takeaways is actually God does amazing

533
00:27:20,908 --> 00:27:23,898
things, but it doesn't mean that
my life is going to be amazingly

534
00:27:23,928 --> 00:27:26,768
easy, but I do get to make a choice.

535
00:27:26,828 --> 00:27:31,188
I get to determine whether I keep going
after God or whether I shrink back.

536
00:27:32,508 --> 00:27:36,048
And so that seems to be the sort
of the main theme, the main feel,

537
00:27:36,088 --> 00:27:39,658
or one of them that we take from
the, there are obviously others.

538
00:27:39,658 --> 00:27:46,758
So that said, Dan then obviously talked,
I loved his, this phrase that he used.

539
00:27:46,758 --> 00:27:49,948
I wrote it down here, how he
talked about the noble goal.

540
00:27:50,348 --> 00:27:54,298
And now we have this noble goal, this
sort of noble goal from God, this

541
00:27:54,328 --> 00:27:57,098
calling, this plan, this thing to do this.

542
00:27:57,868 --> 00:27:59,848
Sense of purpose, sense of mission.

543
00:27:59,938 --> 00:28:02,408
I love that phrase, noble goal,
totally stealing it, Dan, not

544
00:28:02,408 --> 00:28:03,848
going to lie, thought it was great.

545
00:28:04,638 --> 00:28:08,198
What is your noble goal, do you think?

546
00:28:08,938 --> 00:28:11,188
Do you have a noble goal?

547
00:28:11,188 --> 00:28:12,948
What do you think God's saying about that?

548
00:28:12,948 --> 00:28:14,778
What's a noble goal for you?

549
00:28:16,008 --> 00:28:20,138
And one of the things that happened
then is, Dan then immediately starts

550
00:28:20,138 --> 00:28:24,478
talking about forgiveness and how the
pursuit of a noble goal, and for him,

551
00:28:24,903 --> 00:28:29,423
The noble goal he was talking about was
the stuff with Luke, his son, and trying

552
00:28:29,423 --> 00:28:34,883
to sort out with the educational system
here in the UK, how to fix something

553
00:28:34,883 --> 00:28:36,853
that's quite broken for them, right?

554
00:28:37,873 --> 00:28:39,023
And God love them.

555
00:28:39,023 --> 00:28:42,693
They've been through it Luke, Dan
and Lisa, just a really incredible

556
00:28:42,693 --> 00:28:45,793
story really, but it's, and it's
not over, so do pray for them.

557
00:28:47,463 --> 00:28:50,503
But in the midst of that, so his
noble goal is obviously to get this

558
00:28:50,503 --> 00:28:54,223
educational thing for his son sorted
out to fight for that to do his thing.

559
00:28:54,783 --> 00:28:58,643
I loved his comment about how his
yoke is easy and his burden is

560
00:28:58,643 --> 00:29:02,143
light, we come to God and we give
him his things, but it doesn't mean

561
00:29:02,143 --> 00:29:03,873
we don't have a yoke to pick up.

562
00:29:03,893 --> 00:29:05,483
It doesn't mean we've not
got anything to do that.

563
00:29:05,483 --> 00:29:06,433
We just float around.

564
00:29:06,433 --> 00:29:07,523
I think it was a phrase he used.

565
00:29:07,523 --> 00:29:11,213
I thought it was great, pondering
around, floating around.

566
00:29:14,248 --> 00:29:18,408
And yeah, I thought the noble goal
is then linked to forgiveness.

567
00:29:18,408 --> 00:29:20,958
The thing that we have to
do is linked to forgiveness.

568
00:29:20,958 --> 00:29:26,278
And one of the comments here that
Miriam wrote, sometimes I don't know

569
00:29:26,278 --> 00:29:32,198
how to forgive friends when they do
the same things over and over again,

570
00:29:32,878 --> 00:29:35,818
but God will be with me, so it's okay.

571
00:29:36,778 --> 00:29:38,398
It's a really powerful thing, isn't it?

572
00:29:38,398 --> 00:29:40,428
And we've talked a lot on
Crowd about forgiveness.

573
00:29:41,723 --> 00:29:44,493
We've had quite a few talks about
it from Sharon, my wife, she's

574
00:29:44,493 --> 00:29:45,893
done a few talks on forgiveness.

575
00:29:46,333 --> 00:29:48,093
We had one from Jenny Taylor.

576
00:29:48,113 --> 00:29:50,433
She talked about forgiveness,
remarkable story.

577
00:29:50,433 --> 00:29:51,823
She's had to forgive a lot.

578
00:29:52,603 --> 00:29:54,843
And they're definitely worth checking
out if you do struggle with the

579
00:29:54,843 --> 00:29:58,463
topic of forgiveness do go dig
those out there in the archives.

580
00:29:58,463 --> 00:30:01,233
Again, just head over to the website,
crowd church, the links at the bottom.

581
00:30:01,643 --> 00:30:09,853
You can go to the website and
search for Jenny Taylor, search for

582
00:30:09,853 --> 00:30:15,063
forgiveness and the talks will come
up and go into it in an awful lot more

583
00:30:15,063 --> 00:30:17,933
detail because I think Dan's right.

584
00:30:17,933 --> 00:30:23,073
I think sometimes we pursue these noble
goals these things that seem righteous,

585
00:30:23,073 --> 00:30:28,373
these things that seem good and we
can get quite angry in the process.

586
00:30:29,103 --> 00:30:30,683
And we can get quite bitter.

587
00:30:30,683 --> 00:30:36,890
I think Dan said don't let
your grudge become your life.

588
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,210
That's an amazing quote, that, isn't it?

589
00:30:39,210 --> 00:30:41,140
Don't let your grudge become your life.

590
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,140
So let's think about that, right?

591
00:30:45,150 --> 00:30:50,110
If we have a noble goal, whatever
that is at the moment, something

592
00:30:50,110 --> 00:30:52,310
that we're fighting for, something
that we're striving for, something

593
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:54,810
that we're praying for, something
that we're believing God for.

594
00:30:55,410 --> 00:31:01,430
If we have a noble goal, is there
an element of anger or bitterness or

595
00:31:01,430 --> 00:31:07,950
resentment or something that could creep
in and derail you in the pursuit of that?

596
00:31:09,010 --> 00:31:10,190
It's a powerful question, isn't it?

597
00:31:10,590 --> 00:31:15,550
And so then thinking that through and what
that means and analyzing that, journaling

598
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,370
about it, God, what are you saying here?

599
00:31:17,860 --> 00:31:22,690
I think is a, is really powerful
because It can you can be trying

600
00:31:22,690 --> 00:31:26,030
to do the right thing, but we
can be doing it in the wrong way.

601
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,000
And unforgiveness, unfortunately, is
one of those things that is trying to

602
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,540
do the right thing in the wrong way.

603
00:31:31,540 --> 00:31:38,790
Okay, Keith and Peter,
we've had mega problems.

604
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,590
Okay, not just problems, but mega
problems in our church here in

605
00:31:42,590 --> 00:31:45,250
Spain, causing anger and pain.

606
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,080
But we have all forgiven and moved on
and think we're all stronger for it.

607
00:31:51,855 --> 00:31:52,695
On Facebook there.

608
00:31:52,695 --> 00:31:53,775
In fact, let me put that on there.

609
00:31:54,045 --> 00:31:54,945
I can do this, can't I?

610
00:31:54,945 --> 00:31:56,025
You can all read it as well.

611
00:31:57,435 --> 00:31:58,125
There we go.

612
00:31:58,130 --> 00:32:03,855
In fact, let me let me do that.

613
00:32:04,395 --> 00:32:05,025
There we go.

614
00:32:05,175 --> 00:32:06,375
'cause Anna's not here.

615
00:32:06,895 --> 00:32:11,120
So yeah, so there's what Keith and
Peter have said, we've had mega

616
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,730
problems in our church here in
Spain, interestingly, isn't it?

617
00:32:13,730 --> 00:32:15,195
If you've been around church for a while.

618
00:32:16,215 --> 00:32:18,725
If you've been a Christian for a
while, when we read about Paul's

619
00:32:18,735 --> 00:32:22,605
story, his grief came from the Romans.

620
00:32:22,685 --> 00:32:25,505
Felix Festus, throwing him in jail,
trying to get bribes, trying to

621
00:32:25,505 --> 00:32:26,785
get money, trying to win favour.

622
00:32:26,795 --> 00:32:28,385
The Romans weren't doing him any solids.

623
00:32:29,910 --> 00:32:32,110
But why, the Romans were the
Romans, why would they, this is the

624
00:32:32,110 --> 00:32:33,450
way that they thought about life.

625
00:32:33,950 --> 00:32:37,160
What's interesting is a lot of what
we read, a lot of the grief that Paul

626
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,300
was experiencing was from his own
people, it was from the Jewish people.

627
00:32:40,900 --> 00:32:45,815
Now that's not to, obviously, blame the
Jews because I think that's just wrong.

628
00:32:45,815 --> 00:32:49,475
But what tends to happen is the most hurt
comes from people that we know, it comes

629
00:32:49,475 --> 00:32:54,795
from our tribe, it comes from those around
us, those that we're supposed to, press

630
00:32:54,795 --> 00:32:58,575
into and those that we're supposed to
trust and love and all that sort of stuff.

631
00:32:59,025 --> 00:33:03,145
And it tends to be our tribe,
though, our community that can

632
00:33:03,145 --> 00:33:04,695
cause the most pain, the most harm.

633
00:33:05,615 --> 00:33:07,865
And church is a classic
example of this, I think.

634
00:33:09,285 --> 00:33:14,575
It's one of those where those who
are hurting, those who are wounded,

635
00:33:14,585 --> 00:33:17,045
even those who are just living
life, the church can actually

636
00:33:17,045 --> 00:33:18,415
cause more problems than it solves.

637
00:33:18,415 --> 00:33:20,985
And let's be real, I'm
a big fan of the church.

638
00:33:20,985 --> 00:33:24,435
I'm a big believer in the local church,
especially, and I'm a big believer in

639
00:33:24,485 --> 00:33:26,155
church being the hope of the world.

640
00:33:26,155 --> 00:33:28,535
And I think church is
marvelous and wonderful.

641
00:33:29,005 --> 00:33:31,885
And I've 30 years while
we do crowd, right?

642
00:33:31,885 --> 00:33:33,445
But let me tell you,
church is not perfect.

643
00:33:34,575 --> 00:33:36,445
Because it's made up of imperfect people.

644
00:33:36,445 --> 00:33:41,735
And actually, in church, we tend to
find a lot of broken people as well.

645
00:33:41,735 --> 00:33:44,525
And broken people and
hurt people can hurt.

646
00:33:45,285 --> 00:33:48,355
And it's just the way
it works, unfortunately.

647
00:33:48,355 --> 00:33:53,365
And so I tend to find if I go back
throughout my own life, and Keith and

648
00:33:53,365 --> 00:33:55,625
Peter, I don't know if you're, if this
is what happened, I'm not saying this

649
00:33:55,625 --> 00:33:56,765
will happen with your church at all.

650
00:33:56,765 --> 00:34:02,385
But I'm just saying for me, the most
hurt that I've experienced has come

651
00:34:02,385 --> 00:34:08,045
from People in my tribe has come from
Christians, close friends who are

652
00:34:08,045 --> 00:34:10,385
Christians from church Christians.

653
00:34:13,705 --> 00:34:19,175
And the, in some respects, they're
the hardest people to forgive,

654
00:34:20,355 --> 00:34:22,205
because they should know better.

655
00:34:23,185 --> 00:34:25,035
And this was my thinking
for a little while.

656
00:34:25,035 --> 00:34:29,155
And they read the same Bible I do, they
pray to the same God that I pray to you.

657
00:34:29,155 --> 00:34:31,535
So how do they see things so differently?

658
00:34:31,535 --> 00:34:33,905
How do they think this behavior is okay?

659
00:34:35,260 --> 00:34:39,030
And of course, in that I have to go to
God and go, maybe my behavior is not okay,

660
00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:42,840
I have to be open to that possibility,
which is, humbling to say the least.

661
00:34:43,570 --> 00:34:45,100
And so yeah, how do you do that?

662
00:34:45,110 --> 00:34:46,040
How do you deal with that?

663
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,720
And I think you can only deal with
that through the grace of God.

664
00:34:49,260 --> 00:34:53,690
And walking in the light of that and
that forgiveness and understanding

665
00:34:53,690 --> 00:34:57,310
actually that is a, that is what
happens in church sometimes.

666
00:34:57,890 --> 00:35:00,290
And I see a lot of people
deconstructing faith actually as

667
00:35:00,290 --> 00:35:03,590
a result of that, that they've got
hurt from the church in some way.

668
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:08,860
And so walk away from their faith,
which I heard a quote the other

669
00:35:08,860 --> 00:35:10,980
day, which I thought was really
fascinating on this whole thing.

670
00:35:10,980 --> 00:35:15,770
They said that, walking away from church
because of the way some Christians

671
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,755
behaved is like, You decide to stop
supporting your football team because of

672
00:35:19,755 --> 00:35:23,725
the way some of the supporters behaved.

673
00:35:24,055 --> 00:35:25,255
Doesn't make sense, right?

674
00:35:25,545 --> 00:35:28,235
I'm a big Liverpool Football Club
fan because why would I not be?

675
00:35:28,695 --> 00:35:31,445
But I am a big Liverpool Football
Club fan, but I'm not a big

676
00:35:31,445 --> 00:35:32,435
fan of all the supporters.

677
00:35:32,435 --> 00:35:36,275
They do some insane things and
and quite rightly have been

678
00:35:36,275 --> 00:35:37,365
punished as a result of it.

679
00:35:37,365 --> 00:35:39,405
But it doesn't mean I stop
supporting Liverpool Football Club.

680
00:35:39,445 --> 00:35:41,495
And the church is the same,
it's got broken people in it

681
00:35:41,505 --> 00:35:42,715
who do some insane things.

682
00:35:42,715 --> 00:35:48,880
But it doesn't mean that the church
actually That I should walk away from

683
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,660
that or that I should walk away from God.

684
00:35:50,660 --> 00:35:53,230
It just does not make sense to
me in any way, shape or form.

685
00:35:53,330 --> 00:35:55,370
So hopefully that's helpful to somebody.

686
00:35:55,370 --> 00:35:59,550
And thank you, Keith and Peter,
for sharing about the problems

687
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,990
with your church in Spain,
praying that it works out.

688
00:36:02,190 --> 00:36:04,700
It's great that you've moved on
great that you're stronger for it.

689
00:36:04,700 --> 00:36:06,940
And it's one of those things
I find in those periods.

690
00:36:07,010 --> 00:36:13,620
I don't know about you guys, but for
me, I come through it more and more.

691
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,800
aware of my own need of forgiveness
just, and I'm very grateful

692
00:36:18,810 --> 00:36:20,110
for God's forgiveness for me.

693
00:36:20,450 --> 00:36:23,800
So I come through these things
more aware of that and the grace

694
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,570
of God and the graciousness of God.

695
00:36:26,540 --> 00:36:29,680
But I also sit down and try and
understand, what can I learn

696
00:36:29,890 --> 00:36:31,440
from what I've been through?

697
00:36:32,060 --> 00:36:35,640
So if I go back to your question,
Miriam, earlier about I don't know

698
00:36:35,660 --> 00:36:38,600
how to forgive friends when they do
the same things over and over again.

699
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,660
And again, friends, your tribe, right?

700
00:36:40,660 --> 00:36:43,860
The people close to you, the people
who should know better, surely, doing

701
00:36:43,860 --> 00:36:45,310
the same things over and over again.

702
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:52,000
I think we just have to, but I think
also at the same time, it makes

703
00:36:52,010 --> 00:36:53,810
sense to put in place boundaries.

704
00:36:54,245 --> 00:36:55,785
And boundaries aren't a bad thing.

705
00:36:55,845 --> 00:36:58,375
If people are constantly hurting
us, boundaries can actually

706
00:36:58,375 --> 00:36:59,625
be quite a helpful thing.

707
00:36:59,825 --> 00:37:05,245
It's one of those things
where, there's a great book.

708
00:37:05,275 --> 00:37:10,225
If you've not read it, there's a great
book by Henry, oh, what's his name?

709
00:37:11,815 --> 00:37:12,745
It'll come back to me.

710
00:37:12,765 --> 00:37:17,025
It's actually called Boundaries
by Henry, oh, come on, brain work.

711
00:37:17,045 --> 00:37:22,180
Anyway, if you Google boundaries The book,
it will come up, great book on boundaries

712
00:37:22,180 --> 00:37:26,960
actually, super helpful, Christian guy,
and a psychologist, very helpful to

713
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:31,890
understand about this idea of boundaries
and what we should do and shouldn't

714
00:37:31,890 --> 00:37:33,130
do where boundaries are concerned.

715
00:37:36,110 --> 00:37:39,540
But like you say Miriam, God's with
us, and so we just have to keep giving.

716
00:37:39,700 --> 00:37:40,810
70 times 7, right?

717
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:41,690
Just keep going for it.

718
00:37:43,170 --> 00:37:46,320
But I do have to be aware that I'm not
putting myself in the same position

719
00:37:46,330 --> 00:37:47,610
with them over and over again.

720
00:37:48,265 --> 00:37:50,345
It, it makes a lot of sense.

721
00:37:50,855 --> 00:37:54,465
So Keith and Peter here, because of
the problems we encountered, we have

722
00:37:54,515 --> 00:37:58,595
taken on the warden's job to try and
bring change and bring us together.

723
00:37:59,255 --> 00:38:00,325
See, I love that.

724
00:38:00,345 --> 00:38:07,415
That is so cool because fundamentally,
I think there are two responses.

725
00:38:07,895 --> 00:38:10,085
It's interesting how we've gotten
to this whole conversation about

726
00:38:10,085 --> 00:38:12,585
church, but I think fundamentally
there are two responses when

727
00:38:12,585 --> 00:38:13,875
it comes to problems in church.

728
00:38:13,921 --> 00:38:15,811
Response number one is to go, I'm out.

729
00:38:16,021 --> 00:38:16,831
I've had enough.

730
00:38:16,851 --> 00:38:18,191
I don't want to be here.

731
00:38:18,211 --> 00:38:19,831
This is not what I signed up for.

732
00:38:21,271 --> 00:38:23,031
And sometimes that's the right response.

733
00:38:23,701 --> 00:38:30,501
But I often wonder if it's the
easy response to walk away, to

734
00:38:30,501 --> 00:38:32,661
just to, go and sit, I'm out.

735
00:38:33,091 --> 00:38:35,731
The other response, what you guys have
done, which I absolutely love is to go.

736
00:38:36,696 --> 00:38:38,106
How can I make a difference now?

737
00:38:38,896 --> 00:38:39,986
How can I get involved?

738
00:38:39,986 --> 00:38:40,766
How can I help?

739
00:38:41,426 --> 00:38:46,296
And so I remember we were talking about
this yesterday, actually, my wife and

740
00:38:46,296 --> 00:38:52,351
I are sorting through some Sharon, I
say I, I can't really take that much

741
00:38:52,351 --> 00:38:53,471
of the credit if I'm honest with you.

742
00:38:54,011 --> 00:38:58,611
Sharon is, she is sorting out, hi
Nicola, oops, sorry, just woke up.

743
00:39:00,901 --> 00:39:04,281
Hopefully not from me or Dan's
talk, just the way it is.

744
00:39:04,841 --> 00:39:08,461
But yeah, Sharon, my wife, is sorting
out the attic she's sorting out the

745
00:39:08,461 --> 00:39:11,401
loft at her house, and that means
all kinds of stuff is coming down.

746
00:39:12,531 --> 00:39:17,201
And one of the boxes I had to sort
through is, we call them memory boxes

747
00:39:17,201 --> 00:39:20,931
in our house and it's just full of
stuff that contains some kind of

748
00:39:20,961 --> 00:39:26,531
memories and one of those memories was
a t shirt and on that t shirt is was

749
00:39:26,531 --> 00:39:28,951
a symbol of a hawk and it said Hawks.

750
00:39:29,431 --> 00:39:35,121
And Hawks was was a kid's
kind of church that we did.

751
00:39:35,781 --> 00:39:39,221
My the problem was my kids were going
to church every Sunday, which I wanted

752
00:39:39,221 --> 00:39:42,111
them to do, but they weren't engaging.

753
00:39:42,391 --> 00:39:44,291
They're about, about 10,
11, somewhere around there.

754
00:39:45,581 --> 00:39:47,151
And they found church really boring.

755
00:39:47,151 --> 00:39:48,261
So there's a problem.

756
00:39:48,261 --> 00:39:49,981
There's a disconnect there.

757
00:39:50,831 --> 00:39:53,991
And there, so I can look at the
problem, I can go I just need to go

758
00:39:53,991 --> 00:39:56,001
find a church where they can engage.

759
00:39:56,451 --> 00:40:00,051
Or I can go what can I
do to make a difference?

760
00:40:00,291 --> 00:40:01,051
Which is what we did.

761
00:40:01,991 --> 00:40:06,291
And so we set up Hawks, which was like
a cross between, it was a cross between

762
00:40:06,371 --> 00:40:14,591
army cadets and scouts and boys church
and we did church for boys called Hawks

763
00:40:14,651 --> 00:40:20,031
and Zoya and the other guys did something
called Cookies, which was for the girls.

764
00:40:21,161 --> 00:40:25,741
And honestly we dress them up in
camouflage, give them Hawks t shirts,

765
00:40:25,751 --> 00:40:27,571
rang them, we ran them ragged.

766
00:40:27,861 --> 00:40:30,641
But what happened was they
absolutely love church.

767
00:40:31,061 --> 00:40:35,311
And even now people, and we're talking
this was 10, 12 years ago, people

768
00:40:35,311 --> 00:40:38,141
every now and again will still mention
it, still had an impact on them.

769
00:40:38,821 --> 00:40:40,351
And I guess the reason I'm
saying this is not because I

770
00:40:40,351 --> 00:40:41,311
think you need to set up Hawks.

771
00:40:41,321 --> 00:40:43,961
The reason I'm saying this is because
I love what Keith and Peter did here.

772
00:40:43,971 --> 00:40:48,061
It's because of the problems,
let's take on some roles here.

773
00:40:48,586 --> 00:40:52,086
And then let's bring change
that's going to bring us together.

774
00:40:52,136 --> 00:40:53,056
Super powerful.

775
00:40:53,066 --> 00:40:54,106
Love that attitude.

776
00:40:54,106 --> 00:40:58,116
How can I solve the problem versus, and
how can I get involved, rather than how

777
00:40:58,116 --> 00:41:00,066
can I just either leave or complain?

778
00:41:00,896 --> 00:41:01,536
Henry Cloud!

779
00:41:01,536 --> 00:41:02,923
God bless you, Nicola.

780
00:41:02,923 --> 00:41:07,776
That's it, the book by Boundaries
Henry Cloud do check out that by Dr.

781
00:41:07,776 --> 00:41:08,470
Henry Cloud.

782
00:41:08,470 --> 00:41:09,510
That's the book.

783
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:12,284
Nicola, you're a legend
for sorting that out.

784
00:41:13,064 --> 00:41:14,234
So yeah, do check that out.

785
00:41:14,784 --> 00:41:18,474
So hopefully Miriam, that's also
helped on forgiving of your friends.

786
00:41:18,474 --> 00:41:22,844
Like I say, if you want to know more,
do check out the talks on forgiveness.

787
00:41:22,904 --> 00:41:25,834
There's an awful lot more in there.

788
00:41:26,274 --> 00:41:28,914
So yes, very good.

789
00:41:29,344 --> 00:41:33,874
So I think what I'm gonna do is,
I'm just gonna go through my notes.

790
00:41:33,944 --> 00:41:36,204
I'm gonna put my glasses on because I
can't actually see what I've written

791
00:41:36,204 --> 00:41:37,974
without them because I'm an old man now.

792
00:41:38,334 --> 00:41:39,414
Excuse me, I'll have a little drink.

793
00:41:43,704 --> 00:41:46,444
Like I say, for those of you just
joining us, my name is Matt, I'm

794
00:41:46,464 --> 00:41:47,874
part of the team here at Crowd.

795
00:41:48,214 --> 00:41:51,774
And like I say, normally there is
another person with us, but Anna is not

796
00:41:51,784 --> 00:41:54,604
here today, simply because she forgot.

797
00:41:55,504 --> 00:41:57,034
I went to her mother in law's instead.

798
00:41:58,094 --> 00:42:00,814
So if you see her, give her grief,
because frankly, I think you can.

799
00:42:02,184 --> 00:42:05,634
So just going through my notes here.

800
00:42:07,969 --> 00:42:13,229
This idea that Dan, this phrase that
Dan used, partnership, I thought was

801
00:42:13,229 --> 00:42:19,229
interesting, seeing life as a partnership
with God versus seeing life as a slot

802
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,909
machine with God, that if I just pull
the right levers in the right order,

803
00:42:22,909 --> 00:42:25,899
I'm going to get the right outcome,
I'm going to hit the three cherries

804
00:42:25,899 --> 00:42:27,449
or whatever it is and get my jackpot.

805
00:42:29,069 --> 00:42:32,119
But rather seeing it more as a
relationship, seeing it as a partnership,

806
00:42:32,669 --> 00:42:36,779
Seeing it as something you do together,
irrespective of whether life is,

807
00:42:36,819 --> 00:42:40,669
whether you're mountain high or valley
low, God is still king, isn't he?

808
00:42:40,669 --> 00:42:41,629
He's still on the throne.

809
00:42:42,049 --> 00:42:43,439
That was a really interesting phrase.

810
00:42:43,489 --> 00:42:46,359
And I don't know how you view God.

811
00:42:46,359 --> 00:42:51,249
I don't know how you see him, whether you
are in church, whether you're enjoying

812
00:42:51,249 --> 00:42:53,929
church, when you're enjoying your
relationship with God, whether you talk

813
00:42:53,929 --> 00:42:56,829
to him on a daily basis or whether you've
never actually talked to him before.

814
00:42:57,439 --> 00:42:59,369
Nicholas says, let me
put this in the comments.

815
00:43:00,619 --> 00:43:03,719
Or whether, like Nicola,
you try and be a legend.

816
00:43:05,309 --> 00:43:06,489
She is an absolute legend.

817
00:43:06,489 --> 00:43:09,039
It's interesting how you view God.

818
00:43:09,619 --> 00:43:13,369
Someone who is with you, someone
who is a partner in life with you,

819
00:43:13,369 --> 00:43:15,279
someone who is committed to you.

820
00:43:15,749 --> 00:43:20,679
Versus someone who is absent,
maybe, or a God that doesn't care.

821
00:43:21,154 --> 00:43:24,384
Or a God that's not actually that
interested in what's going on.

822
00:43:25,584 --> 00:43:31,074
And I think the whole partnership
thing, just throws a really, it's just

823
00:43:31,074 --> 00:43:32,824
something worth thinking about actually.

824
00:43:33,064 --> 00:43:34,264
Yeah how's that going?

825
00:43:34,334 --> 00:43:35,804
How's the relationship with God going?

826
00:43:35,804 --> 00:43:37,414
I'm just going to scroll
through the comments here.

827
00:43:37,424 --> 00:43:40,134
If there's any other questions or any
other thoughts that you've got, please

828
00:43:40,134 --> 00:43:43,324
fire them in the comments now, and I'll
do my level best to try and answer them.

829
00:43:44,454 --> 00:43:47,224
It's been really interesting
doing this solo actually.

830
00:43:47,224 --> 00:43:53,244
Normally when I do these kind of
things like podcasts, normally

831
00:43:53,244 --> 00:43:54,384
there's always people with me.

832
00:43:54,384 --> 00:43:55,834
So doing it solo is always interesting.

833
00:43:55,834 --> 00:43:58,594
So I actually quite enjoy the
challenge if I'm honest with you.

834
00:43:59,984 --> 00:44:00,814
What's Nicola put here?

835
00:44:00,814 --> 00:44:05,084
I like not using God as a slot machine,
but as someone who wants to walk with you.

836
00:44:05,474 --> 00:44:05,854
Yeah.

837
00:44:06,504 --> 00:44:07,534
Yeah, I'm with you.

838
00:44:08,234 --> 00:44:11,534
It's I think it's easy to fall into
the default to forget God exists

839
00:44:11,534 --> 00:44:13,094
until you need a prayer answered.

840
00:44:13,114 --> 00:44:15,824
Rather than seeing him who wants to
someone who wants to walk with you on a

841
00:44:15,824 --> 00:44:19,854
daily basis who is constantly with you
and understanding what that looks like

842
00:44:19,854 --> 00:44:25,114
and feels like and seems can be quite
tricky because I don't know about you,

843
00:44:25,124 --> 00:44:31,614
for me, I can, I've run my own company,
I run this church, but also I've got my

844
00:44:31,624 --> 00:44:35,574
own business, we have two businesses,
which I won't bore you with, Because it's

845
00:44:35,574 --> 00:44:37,044
definitely not a sales pitch, just saying.

846
00:44:38,254 --> 00:44:39,464
But I've got two companies.

847
00:44:40,004 --> 00:44:42,884
It can take a lot to run them, right?

848
00:44:42,934 --> 00:44:44,744
And you can get your head down.

849
00:44:44,744 --> 00:44:52,784
And you just, you, my wife will often call
me and go, do you realize what time it is?

850
00:44:52,784 --> 00:44:56,354
And I'll have been doing some and I've got
in the zone, in the flow, as they call it.

851
00:44:56,874 --> 00:44:59,944
And eight hours can go by in a
blink of an eye for me, just can.

852
00:44:59,954 --> 00:45:02,864
And I'm just like, I get my head up
and go, wow, that was incredible.

853
00:45:03,949 --> 00:45:05,029
Where did that time go?

854
00:45:05,819 --> 00:45:10,309
But not once during that time would I
have thought about God, would I have

855
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:12,389
gone, God, what are you saying here?

856
00:45:12,389 --> 00:45:14,279
Have you got any thoughts about this?

857
00:45:14,989 --> 00:45:20,799
And actually just, I find that if
I can somehow break myself from the

858
00:45:20,809 --> 00:45:24,099
drive that is in me and just take
a few seconds every now and again,

859
00:45:24,109 --> 00:45:27,874
just to go, God, What's going on?

860
00:45:28,014 --> 00:45:29,054
Or, what do you think?

861
00:45:29,054 --> 00:45:32,654
Or, thanks for being with me, or just
super grateful for this job, or super

862
00:45:32,654 --> 00:45:36,924
grateful for this client, or just
acknowledging that God is there makes

863
00:45:36,924 --> 00:45:38,914
a massive difference when I do it.

864
00:45:39,774 --> 00:45:42,054
Question, of course, is why
do I not do it all the time?

865
00:45:42,464 --> 00:45:45,114
If I knew the answer to that, I would
let you know, write a book about it,

866
00:45:45,114 --> 00:45:46,294
make a fortune, I'm not going to lie.

867
00:45:46,754 --> 00:45:47,004
But yeah.

868
00:45:49,094 --> 00:45:49,734
Oh, bless you.

869
00:45:50,454 --> 00:45:52,644
You have certainly raised
the challenge, well done.

870
00:45:52,664 --> 00:45:54,374
Thank you, Keith and Pete,
I really appreciate that.

871
00:45:55,204 --> 00:46:01,414
So let me tell you what is coming
up next week, because normally I

872
00:46:01,414 --> 00:46:05,754
would talk about this beforehand
with whoever I'm hosting with, but

873
00:46:05,754 --> 00:46:08,374
of course, not with Anna right now.

874
00:46:08,374 --> 00:46:10,350
Let's have a look.

875
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:18,330
So next week, we are carrying
on our conversation in acts.

876
00:46:18,330 --> 00:46:19,880
We have, oh, here we go.

877
00:46:19,970 --> 00:46:20,840
Yes.

878
00:46:21,380 --> 00:46:22,420
I'm hosting again.

879
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:23,160
Yes.

880
00:46:23,170 --> 00:46:23,620
Three in a row.

881
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:25,230
Good skills.

882
00:46:25,780 --> 00:46:30,050
So you've got me again next week,
hopefully with John Harding, who's

883
00:46:30,090 --> 00:46:31,470
one of the pastors of the church here.

884
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:33,390
What a legend that guy is.

885
00:46:33,390 --> 00:46:34,540
He's just moved house.

886
00:46:34,650 --> 00:46:38,060
So hopefully he won't have too much
dust on his face and all will be good.

887
00:46:38,075 --> 00:46:39,615
And when he's not, oh I love that.

888
00:46:39,905 --> 00:46:41,045
So well done Nicola.

889
00:46:41,345 --> 00:46:44,205
When he's not walking with
you, he's often carrying you.

890
00:46:44,365 --> 00:46:44,805
Yeah.

891
00:46:45,595 --> 00:46:45,985
Yeah.

892
00:46:46,155 --> 00:46:46,825
Get that.

893
00:46:46,925 --> 00:46:48,375
That's like that poem isn't it?

894
00:46:48,375 --> 00:46:49,305
Footprints in the sand.

895
00:46:49,865 --> 00:46:52,225
So yeah, John and I will
be back next week to host.

896
00:46:52,225 --> 00:46:59,705
We have got Dave Connolly
speaking about Acts 25.

897
00:46:59,725 --> 00:47:01,235
We're carrying on with Acts 25.

898
00:47:01,735 --> 00:47:03,645
So yeah, we've got Dave Connolly,
just to let you know what's

899
00:47:03,645 --> 00:47:04,905
coming up in the weeks to follow.

900
00:47:05,015 --> 00:47:09,275
We've got Pete Farrington sharing with
us, Will Sopwith love, Will Sopwith.

901
00:47:09,325 --> 00:47:15,815
And then in one, two, three, four weeks
time, we've got John Harding rounding

902
00:47:15,815 --> 00:47:20,315
off our story and journey through Acts.

903
00:47:20,705 --> 00:47:22,795
So yeah, four weeks to
go until we finish Acts.

904
00:47:22,815 --> 00:47:24,565
John's going to be rounding
that off, which would be great.

905
00:47:25,575 --> 00:47:28,195
And then, like I said,
in the last week, next.

906
00:47:28,820 --> 00:47:32,220
The next series we're kicking
off is Becoming Whole.

907
00:47:32,230 --> 00:47:34,700
It's all about becoming whole,
which I'm really looking forward to.

908
00:47:35,250 --> 00:47:37,940
I've been really enjoying doing
the study on this and getting

909
00:47:37,940 --> 00:47:39,110
all the teaching notes prepped.

910
00:47:39,110 --> 00:47:41,970
Me and Sadaf, we've been talking a
lot about it, which has been great.

911
00:47:42,570 --> 00:47:45,010
Yeah, we've got that series
coming up, Becoming Whole, so

912
00:47:45,010 --> 00:47:47,040
do make sure you stay with us.

913
00:47:47,390 --> 00:47:48,900
And I'll just close out the Acts series.

914
00:47:48,900 --> 00:47:50,420
Hope you've enjoyed it as much as I have.

915
00:47:50,420 --> 00:47:52,500
If you've caught the tail end
of it and you've just joined us,

916
00:47:52,500 --> 00:47:53,620
a bit like Tobias did earlier.

917
00:47:55,390 --> 00:47:55,970
Rewind.

918
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:56,870
They're all online.

919
00:47:58,760 --> 00:47:59,710
You know what we have?

920
00:48:00,260 --> 00:48:03,050
I'm always amazed, actually, how many
people contact me and just say, Oh,

921
00:48:03,070 --> 00:48:04,690
Matt, I was listening to the podcast.

922
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Loved it, decided to
go back to episode one.

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And we're like 300, however many
episodes into them or whatever.

924
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I don't know what the exact number is.

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And they just work
through it one at a time.

926
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I'm like, wow, that takes some
dedication, but God bless you.

927
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If that's you.

928
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That's incredible, really.

929
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So yes, make sure you do subscribe to
the Crowd channel wherever you get it

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from, whether you're listening on the
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Apple iTunes, I didn't call it iTunes,
Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or whether

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you're on YouTube, whether you're
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933
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whether you're joining us live, make
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is, you hit that and subscribe button.

935
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You can of course go to the website, www.

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church, we'd love to hear from you.

938
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And on there, there's a small form, where
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939
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and we send you an email once a week, just
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you the links to what happened last week,
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so you stay all up to date and that's,
we don't bombard you with email, we just

942
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send out one a week, very occasionally
we might send an additional one, but you

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can sign up for that on the website, www.

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church, be sure to do that, we'd
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946
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just helps to ensure you don't
miss anything that's going on.

947
00:49:21,710 --> 00:49:25,800
Thank you so much for joining us today,
thank you for all the comments and all

948
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,720
your thoughts, thank you for bearing with
me, and yeah, welcome to Crowd Church,

949
00:49:30,550 --> 00:49:34,420
where things, if technology don't always
work out, the people might not always

950
00:49:34,420 --> 00:49:35,480
do what they're supposed to as well.

951
00:49:39,700 --> 00:49:44,160
Oh, I tell you what you can do just
write in the comments as we close.

952
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,120
If you've got like the
perfect one liner for Anna.

953
00:49:47,065 --> 00:49:50,645
Kettle would love to hear it because
I'm definitely going to be thinking

954
00:49:50,645 --> 00:49:52,045
of a few just when I see it.

955
00:49:52,305 --> 00:49:54,555
In forgiveness, obviously, there's,
there's not a forgiveness issue

956
00:49:54,605 --> 00:49:58,065
given what we're talking about, but
there is a banter issue and taking

957
00:49:58,065 --> 00:49:59,825
the opportunity to create banter.

958
00:50:02,530 --> 00:50:03,390
Oh, bless you guys.

959
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Listen, have a fantastic week wherever
you are in the world, whether you're

960
00:50:05,940 --> 00:50:08,540
in Spain, whether you're in the
Congo, whether you're in the UK

961
00:50:08,590 --> 00:50:09,630
or wherever you are in the world.

962
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:10,830
Thank you so much for joining me.

963
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Have a fantastic week wherever you are.

964
00:50:13,300 --> 00:50:17,110
I will see you with John next
week along with Dave Connolly.

965
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God bless you.

966
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:19,580
Bye for now.

967
00:50:19,770 --> 00:50:20,480
Have a great week.

968
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:26,180
Thank you so much for joining
us here on Crowd Church.

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Now if you are watching on YouTube make
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And of course, if you are listening to
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sure you also hit the follow button now
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It helps us reach more
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975
00:50:54,675 --> 00:50:59,925
that Jesus really does help us live a
more meaningful and purposeful life.

976
00:51:00,275 --> 00:51:06,455
So if you haven't done so already,
be sure to check out our website www.

977
00:51:06,525 --> 00:51:06,895
crowd.

978
00:51:07,195 --> 00:51:11,825
church where you can learn more
about us as a church, more about

979
00:51:11,825 --> 00:51:16,795
the Christian faith, and also how to
connect into our church community.

980
00:51:17,525 --> 00:51:22,855
It has been awesome to connect
with you and you are awesome.

981
00:51:23,005 --> 00:51:28,045
It's just a burden you have to bear
and hopefully we'll see you next time.

982
00:51:28,225 --> 00:51:28,975
That's it from us.

983
00:51:29,115 --> 00:51:29,835
God bless you.

984
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Bye for now.