This is my favorite by far baby pants with metal ducting for legs,

especially the middle one is fantastic.

Can you hear me nice?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Plenty of cough syrup.

I guess bill, mostly after the fever broke, I've been much better.

More morale wise, I guess, to like 16 hours of it was low grade,

but just fever is never fun.

Sweating and cold and sweating and cold and

Yeah.

How long have you been down?

A couple of days.

a sore throat on Sunday, Monday felt great,

tested positive and then fever.

Yeah, my wife, but at the same time.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's been fun.

The weird things of like, just trying to get medicine, normal cold

medicine, when you have a virus, you have all these delivery services,

but like all of it's out of stock and you can't get people to just

deliver you cough you can't go get it.

I don't weird.

Yeah.

Cool.

I decided, we needed symmetry in everything we do.

So I figured I would also get COVID so that we could have this fairness

and everything we this podcast.

Yeah.

I appreciate that.

Thanks.

Yeah.

different

Yeah Are you

Yeah.

Good,

good?

too much to not getting

I guess I've

but other than that, pretty good.

I had a series of like child wake ups and then a faulty smoke

alarm going off at 4:00 AM.

So I was just like, I rolled out of bed at four 30, I say, all right.

Let's go to work.

hear

Well day both been exhausted and like falling asleep at like 7:00

PM, one night, which is strange for me.

And then last night I couldn't fall

do

had enough sleep.

Now

Have you seen

yeah.

I was thinking last week.

Timecode when I drink coffee and then make it

that sounds neurotic though.

as I was laughing

maybe I'm enjoying your audio edits,

I should

are very good.

glad that the last episode makes sense, because I was a little

bit in a COVID fever finishing it.

I was like I'm glad Jem listened to this because that whole like mental

confusion thing

is very true, especially when you're in the heat of the fever part.

looking to this weeks.

See how we

It's just like only Don talking.

Let me loose!

yeah.

I liked the fact that Don made an appearance

so have you been in work, space at all?

You've just been recovery mode.

like

little bit.

I've been trying ahead a bit of a tussle with trying to get

the Prusa to work remotely and lucky Ricky got in and reset it.

But I've been sending some of the baby pants.

Which just continues to have issues with weird things.

like The minor changes that you can do to all of a sudden then have,

it's called like overhang, right?

it's like printing and you try to rely on the space below

yeah.

of like the slicer software, it doesn't really

show you what's going to happen.

So why it's so irrelevant to call it baby pants, but on the butt side, right.

That's where we're getting weird overhanging mess basically.

And it just looks like squiggly lines that don't fall into a good situation.

The alternative is support or change your design and If it's printing fine until all

my tests were printing fine until I was like, let's do the final one and then it's

Cool.

So of course

you're printing in a controlled box.

Aren't you like your temperature control?

Yeah,

I mean, it's controlled by only what the Prusa creates.

It's not any additional features, but it should be actually pretty dang good.

There's also this whole thing I didn't understand prior to

getting the Prusa early was you can get moisture in your filament.

And then that causes basically many explosions as it's coming out.

You know, like your toothpaste situation, where you squeeze

it, it goes to that basically.

those talk of, they said the treasure last week, because a lot

of what we saw was printing yeah,

plywood

we ran technicians

for beers and one of them was talking building

haven't

for their

Yeah

I think they were running a Markforged X seven,

so super fancy printer.

But yeah, a big I think they'll, they'll critical of how

it

filament was shipped and that they'd made an even more moisture proof

container for it to be stolen in.

But yeah, I didn't know that previously, that that was

definitely adds some complication.

It'd be

I

tests on our

of I that anyway.

drying

oven.

There's all these different factors that I

filament

To have to deal with it.

just

deal

Totally.

Well, yeah, production printings, a different game, right?

To just prototyping bits and bobs on it.

Very

an

Yeah.

I'm very curious to hear about this tool show.

How was this?

it was good.

I got more out

it

I was going partly for fun.

When, you know, a bit of a work trip with my friend will have probably mentioned

he's getting into printing in a big way.

And so he was going, so we went together.

It was a good thing, but yeah, I wasn't expecting to, come back with

a machine tool or I didn't even have any really specific areas that I was

looking to research other than getting some new tooling suppliers for like

the thread mill that we use on the pencil sharpener, which got confiscated

off me and security anecdotally.

That was fun.

Um,

Of it then

I didn't know you made through.

not, they took it off me, thankfully it was a, a chipped tool and

another but now I got more out of it.

So

I to try

with like the Autodesk who were there

those kinds places

reps and just checked out a

show

groundbreaking, but it was really good it wasn't those knives

of woodwork or timber there.

it's all I'd like to see

Don (2) 00:06:34

Jem, It's called Turning.

the world.

disappointing, but it's don't I like seeing the difference

too, but it's like, they're going to, your current better haven't been

in this space since uh, of bunch of

I bought the router in 2017 and I went to a, basically a woodworking

to

routers there and it was like the best place to

in that space

makers I

Yeah.

Yeah.

since then, I've basically that's pretty

like

one show.

It's, it's mostly metal and now I'm kind of like, oh, both.

Yeah.

That's cool.

It's just nice to be exposed to different things.

But yeah it was interesting kind of walking around the show with

the lens of which be around in five because like 3d additive moving

definitely down the road and be like, cool.

If invested X A valuable

Yeah,

in

years time.

But that was cool.

I was gonna production, the 3d

no expert at it.

I've kind of

the quality

I basically ignored it all through school because was like my opinion sh know, crap.

think today like

basically if you picked it up, fall apart expensive.

Like the type we had I, it just

ask you about last year or so, I've gotten the FDM FFF style where it's

basically a little Play-Doh extruder.

And after watching that for so long, it's both impressive, but also seems

really archaic in a certain way.

You know, it's like if we, if we had that idea in laser printing, for

example, we would be waiting all day for one piece of paper to come out.

You know, like if it only came out of one little thing, like, can

we do the laser printer version of this, where it comes out?

Just like, you know, real quick, It's got like a bajillion little ink heads to

a plotter, I'm hoping that's the kind of advancement because I feel even kind of

weird trying to go about making production parts for like the dust boot on this one.

Like it keeps thinking, do I need to invest in a better printer?

Is thing to doing it with?

Yeah,

But

Oh, that's yeah.

That's what I was going to ask

Um

How do you, cause I said

yeah

How do you go about processing?

that because can't put a normal

yeah to be honest, I've never considered selling it

as a service because of this.

It doesn't seem like a professional service to me because it's so easy

to take off the shelf and print and I don't see us making any ROI on.

Printing other people's things like it's just so for other people to CNC hourly

our intention of buying printers in the first place was kind of like

Saunders always talks about making things for your business to improve it.

But then all of a sudden it was like, oh, we could potentially

make these couple parts for our products we're thinking about.

And those seem pretty durable, like basically weird funnels and things

like that for dust collection is kind of where we've ended up with it.

And I'm not sure yet that's, my plan as of right now.

And if it proves to be either not high enough quality or durable or something,

but I mean, we've been using it and it's.

It seems incredibly durable at this point.

I'm expecting it to last for quite a while.

Like those little port dust boot ports.

I don't know.

I'm sure there'll be another step.

A big consideration for me is if we're selling 10 of these a week, for some

reason, thankfully, we'll be buying more printers is my only thought

to it at this

point.

But how, like, how do you like say you're making it printing parts for your

own product line, a product line yourself?

That 11 hours of

Yeah.

Yes.

It's the cheap,

where

a

I

that?

Like, I'm just through it now, do assume that one day you'll

have to pay an injection molded parts and then you price it now as

to or

part?

Or do

it would

alley right on printer some value?

Yeah, I've always been because just the time involved

for

of, it's almost free discharge for bit a resin plastic whatever is.

And imagine

real.

Yeah.

I don't answers.

don't really consider it.

in some of products think we're selling is,

and

charge the hour be beneficial,

an or

Yep.

in contrast

it It would

on that like It's it's

don't usually have a lot of interest in that kind of pumping of parts out.

But the, that the electricity costs would be a lot more of a consideration,

but I think it uses 180 Watts an hour, you know, at full printing.

So it's pretty minimal and really you're just considering the filament

I suppose this is sort of come to my mind because in the last year

we've gone from a single CNC machine to three, and then I've also given

up my role as laid machinists.

So Johnny's Slade machinists.

We have an employee who runs up to three machines simultaneously,

and I've been a bit confused about how to, how to price that

Yeah, no.

it's like, yes, quoted independently as if it's running machine.

But then in reality, know, in a dream

track of the at some point

he John's reporting his time.

So he's reporting his time as an operator, but he's also

um

Cameron's time and Trinity's time and the

keeping

that are doing

on

terms I mean the simplest way about is just three machines and an operator

at the same yeah, it's something that perplexes me a little bit and I haven't

worked out how to deal with it, but,

I've said before.

I feel really strange that we're still not data.

I think it's probably going to come yeah, but we stringent about And I

would, I would question of, so I'm

of

running

that's that's kind of four

tracking?

I

running

my best answer was you can basically keep that time.

And so that way we would basically like modify it after the fact.

But in terms of like calculating your time for costing and stuff like that, it's

honestly do you get to that final number?

And the only thing I can think is you have to add it all.

And divide it back down to like, what's the total amounts, but sometimes

those numbers then become crazy.

like not reasonable hourly

yeah, yeah,

And I don't get that either.

So we need somebody that has a business degree.

I think what's your business manager say?

multiple machines.

Sarah and I kind of in the same boat, we don't quite know how to deal with it.

In the past, we've always just applied a similar hourly rate to a

machine the machine tool upright.

So we've for ourselves and we've of basically

that's kind of what I did too.

Yeah.

Hopefully somebody has.

Answer to this, because that

is an interesting, I mean, I don't want it to be super complicated though.

Like

No, no,

the same thing you give.

Yeah.

Like I think, solved in the sense, but also something that's a curiosity of,

like, is there a better way to do this?

I dunno.

that we

to do any of that data tracking the first place make sure that

accidentally not making money.

Yes.

Totally.

And

the just

there was in

just kind applied the same right To

wildly wrong.

out

three times less than it been, you know, my hourly rate.

And I just never really caught it.

making way more profit job than we

I

problem, right.

That I could see being a way bigger problem.

every year you're like, well, home money.

be

Yeah.

And that's the good thing about that?

Or I guess if you don't track it, you don't know.

Or like, if there's a question that you can't answer, it's probably

worth answering it just to make sure that everything's okay.

Working out.

Yeah.

Cool.

So I

haven't, you brought up

A will and I were chatting about this last week when we're up there, if

the, conundrum of growing a business to a point where, you know, and I've

mentioned this like about my discomfort, about investing in tools now without

sort of some level team approval.

But we're discussing that like, cool.

If, you know, I've built a business to a point very much just on intuition

and making things up on the fly and doing what felt right at the time.

And how do you balance that?

You know, almost 15 years of growth and intuition.

Against a budget in a spreadsheet of like, kind of where we're at Like

we're planning 20, 23 financial year budget, is a fairly new process for us.

year, just gone.

Totally value doing a budget forward.

And, but conflicted against month, the old may, would be just like, cool.

I'm buying

that

I'm buying a laser cutter

machines

no again, no answer.

It was

have

that got going moment, but um,

than lot things, but,

budget going into like a sliding world was probably a pretty good

understanding the

It be the right idea and definitely something I keep stable,

Yeah,

yesterday

not considering buying any new trying to keep the ones we

totally.

fairly treacherous at the moment with the way that especially, I feel

the U S economies are going right now.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I think that's a very wise, sorry, safe approach to, to

be honest or retain your cash.

Not that a purse is going to break your most businesses budget.

I know, but everything stacks up.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think, oh, it's going tangenting here, but I think, the

most valuable things I got out of

that trip

travel show was flying, being the air an hour, each way.

I'd forgotten how amazing that Headspace is.

Like it's the most unaccountable time the phone's off you strapped in a seat

with like the sketchbook comes out and I got productive, critical design

thinking done in those two hours of flight in like the last two months.

Like it was just so good to just punch out some work is awesome.

as well.

in a fever just like away, like page after page are disgusting, I wouldn't

I imagine it Especially

but

we're going on a little

You're like rain man all over around you people next Like, what is

And

yeah.

so much

I'm still not

like well

time than I have

Yeah,

Yeah,

situation

some machines on the way up.

And I designed some products on the way back.

It was good.

It's a good time.

Oh boy.

Yeah, that's

Yeah.

I love that too.

I haven't flown

just at

2019

Have you had any challenge with trying to plan your product costing

or just like design features basically based on having scarce materials,

has this been a thing and now you've changed some of your stuff, but is it

been continuously changing for you.

I'm going to say, no, there's certain materials that we've run out

of and we'll probably never get again.

Like, I think we machined the last sheet of 18 male or made a radiata plywood.

Which is a product we've been using for 10 plus years.

Just pine, right?

yeah, it's as

Basically.

and and it's not that we can't get it at all.

Like we could go out and find it again, but our supplier has stopped

bringing in that particular product.

And it was just a really good moment for us to say, cool.

All right.

That's the last of the south American radiata, we're going to get, let's

switch that to Australian local stock.

So it's not that it's impossible for us to get it.

It was just, yeah, a real good

what you're

assuming Yes

then.

yeah, it's more expensive to get the local stuff.

And yeah.

There's challenges, but nine nothing.

ball stuff being

Like the new, kid of parts update won't have any film place plywood in it because

that's Birch we still have access to.

But I expect it to run out as well point, or just get like it's already gone up I

saying

us to

Chosen to troublesome products, materials out of Yeah, I like yeah.

we set off with the knack so

line

and

stupidly expensive

things like these just way that it hangs on the wall, kind of joinery, I just

I don't know how to make alternatives.

That would be as or as reliable and to change it testing it

in a significant way, time.

I wouldn't want to put that in people's hands and not know how it works.

I don't know.

I overthink all these things, I would rather that than something falling

apart on somebody where I've kind of come to is just trying to go with

basically the same thing you're doing.

It's not a local product necessarily, but like the apple fly is I

understand they're going to keep doing everything they can to keep making it.

And the core is Birch, but the price will go up and they'll

keep finding a way to get it.

I don't know if that means like blood money or what, but hopefully not.

I feel like they're a better company than that.

You know, trying to figure out how to get that here.

That's the only thing I can think of is to do that or to not make like the plywood

boxes that we've been making for it.

And just trying to finally biting the bullet of that's the way we have to go.

There's no, like, hoping.

Baltic Birch comes back.

Yeah, it's hard.

Isn't it?

When you've made a whole bunch of design decisions around the qualities of

Birch and then to try and sub that out

yeah.

is challenging.

We're running into that now because with, you know, I suppose at some

level, we're just making a flat out kind of ethical decision to go call.

Let's get local materials rather than imported materials, well aware that

that's going to introduce all sorts of production challenges, which are

already running into like the hoop Pines, nowhere near as consistent in

terms of its thickness across the sheet.

So we're doing do much more sort of sanding tolerance, control, new challenges

with like setting the material thickness to start, like where do you pick the

nominal material thickness out of a sheet and then what the sand to, and

also at such tricks and challenges, even just little things like Ola Val sort

of route a manual rabbit table tooling is set up for 12 and 18 mil stock.

Whereas all the hoop pine sort of 12.7 and 19 like subtle variations in thickness.

Alright, retooling resetting up resetting processes.

But yeah, coming back to your point, like just structural details, like

I'm doing some product development for a client at the moment, we machined

parts this week that Ben looked at was like, oh, I comfortable about how

run

Baton engages with that rebate.

Like, the hoop is going to de-laminate.

I was like, oh yeah, no, that's a really good point.

That is a risk.

We test that thinking about it now, it's like, there's definitely

Birch structuring, like, but assumptions going on there.

Like if that had been machine in Bert, I don't think anyone would have

questioned it, but because it's in this material, that's subtly Waco.

Like nothing can compete with that, like insane toughness of, but,

I was curious

and some don't feel

we always I feel

even pre

Um,

And like voids.

Do you have a

yep.

Yeah, definitely

it after you cut the parts or

depends on the project.

I prefer not to feel anything the kind of stuff

affecting the usability.

Like it's a desktop or a tabletop there's that void, that's going to actually fill

up with stuff then absolutely feel that.

But if just purely aesthetic, like ingrain void that machine through, I'd to fill I

feel like I being more to the material.

this maybe

I don't like the Phil

started to anger in situation, yeah, certainly more, more voids in the

coupon than we used to in the Birch.

Yeah, That's for a structural scenario.

Yeah.

It's

that was going to be your answer, those features Cause

some of those

honest

And it, it seems like you have over time,

way

move to those kind of other solutions that that you can get locally.

Are

recently, to be we've been, it's forced hand, which has

Yeah.

Yes.

it's

Got a ton of RFQ is of course the first couple of days of being home sick.

Uh, I think I got like four on Monday.

Some of them easy nos, but yes.

That's not yeah, cutting some and I, I I battled this idea for out.

I'm not strictly to my default diary times.

Right.

Like, like you've described, but I have had this a couple of times, be it any

scenario it's R D quoting it's sales and I'm always one that's like when I'm in a

flow of working that I don't ever want to leave that flow, like whatever that is.

for example, like, even with quotes, it's like I'm in this

head space of crunching numbers.

What do you do when you hit the end of your, quoting block, but

you have to close to do that.

I

feel

like, oh, good question.

I don't find flow.

very often.

I feel like I'm interrupted so regularly that I get dragged away.

Before I have a chance to think, oh, I'd like to keep doing that.

And then it's two hours later.

I'm like, what was I doing?

Ah, that's right.

Oh, well, I'll finish that tomorrow.

But yeah, I know.

I think the way I've structured my default diary things and with

some sort of logic all time.

So my quoting window stops when lunch starts never on Down's tools

and comes into the lunch room.

And often I'll push through like halfway through lunch or even all

the way through lunch to try and finish a quote to get it ready.

So Sarah has got it to send after lunch.

So like I stretch that time through lunch sometimes, but there's still kind of.

I read them to the day that makes sense to put down whatever I'm doing.

Same with R and D as people come the building, kind finishing

my R and D time, there's nice.

It'd be continue that Headspace, but I find it really breaks

work

and my rhythm as people into the building,

Yeah.

And

breaks down the spice.

I was eating and I move into the

just

sort of natural

stick to

I would like

And uh, just independently day and kind of check in

morning and

done or something like that.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I, it's not important.

I'm trying bash out for myself.

I want to this?

Or is the productivity more important?

I think probably the schedule's probably because then I'm getting done what

I've intended to and all but sometimes they don't, like I said I don't do.

Like I don't have a production prep thing to do.

we don't have a new job.

And then I do stick through, but I think maybe, maybe the answer is when

I have enough do in each of these segments, then you go with those,

you go with the thing then the next block rather than sitting there.

And, and it's, it's just a tough challenge because what happens when

people are expecting quotes and you just keep, you can only get done to it.

that time period.

Like when he, I guess you just stay late.

Yeah.

Look, if you've promised someone something, yeah, I stay late.

But I find the two hours a day, I get through quotes so much more

consistently and people are waiting, like getting stuff much quicker

than I used to be in the old model.

In the old model stuff would sit for, weeks sometimes.

Hm.

And then I'd have, you know, huge rush of quoting and

got a whole bunch of stuff out.

And then as a result would have a huge rush of work.

And then I would stop quoting because we were too busy and we'd have this, like

Yeah.

structure.

By being strict and only doing those two hours a day or trying

to it's really just flattened out production wives most part, yeah.

Certainly helped in that respect.

I think something that the other tool that I think could be useful,

which you know, is probably a little different between you and I.

In terms of, I'm trying to weave my team, I'm trying to sort of

routine distraction where possible.

So we have a structure in place of like for my key staff, we have a

designated time every day where we check.

For Sarah it's you know, 10, 15:00 AM Cole or Aaron it's,

you know, eight, 15 the morning.

Yeah.

and whether that's, you know, and we try and keep lists through each other.

pretty

like badgering each other throughout

important

like, it's not urgent, put it on the list, put on errands Lewis, it on John's list.

And then at the pre designated a time we both know we're going chat, it's like,

cool, what have you got on nothing today?

Go carry on.

Or like, yeah, I've got a few questions.

And that's, I find that a really way to like,

this

distract each other, but also have a, known I dunno, do you, informally

Yeah.

the on slack

be a lot more to Anyway, it was could never get anything accomplished when

it was just like a, Hey, how do I fix

yeah,

is

I totally see that.

And I would try do same how

to like home when we had more

throughout the

I'm distant,

Just

yeah, totally.

there's less, it's almost like an office with a closed door.

I think everybody's always been really respectful of trying to not

be distracting with each other, but it just happens like you got the

CNC running and there's a problem.

And you're the one that did the cam, like who are you gonna go talk

just Yeah.

Um, yeah, I dunno some point I'm sure.

And.

yeah

to have somebody else that's doing the cam probably as well as

somebody else that's in between.

You know, that's actually helping manage those things too.

And that'll, that'll make a big difference get

there.

Did you listen to the

could be tough

I did,

I was a little I guess hesitant, I didn't know how sad I was going to be.

Were you sick at the

What did I, is it less yesterday?

I think I listened to it, kind of

I

playing with slicing, maybe pants and listening to

that and uh, yeah, that was good.

And yeah, I dunno.

It's I mean, you could tell like Jimmy talking through his, his friend and Trump.

yeah

that he's very emotional.

I can't imagine being able about it so soon after even

communicate as much as he did.

I have not heard that show before, so I don't know much

about the other Bob Clagett.

Is he the, I like to make stuff guy that's all right.

Yeah.

don't really follow him much either, but no of him.

I dunno.

Yeah.

It really resonated.

I've always had a huge gratitude towards anybody that's worked

for us in almost everybody to a T has been incredibly dedicated.

And I mean, we don't get into each other's personal lives much, but like

when we're at work, it's respectful.

And I say I have even love for a lot of them that have worked for us and.

I definitely related to the feelings he was having of losing somebody

and just trying always not take that granted, I think is a good memento,

Yeah.

definitely worth listening.

which I

um, Progress on the

Yes.

A little bit.

I uh, that you were making progress on your, so I felt, I

felt the peer pressure to continue.

And I dug into the kits a little bit more in terms of playing with it.

And especially like you said, in Shopify and I'm using this simple bundles plugin

that I've been playing with and it.

As with everything there's limitations on the bundle plugin with variance and

really the thing that I think I'm striking up against now, do it in a more way is I

wanted to be able to have kits that could use either vertical or horizontal panels

as being an option you could choose.

But as of yet, I can't figure out how to do that with this bundle plugin.

So I'm sure I could,

a

you know, escape out of that and do it a different way.

But I think I may have to just have like, I have one called

like knack bowl apply kit.

It might have to be horizontal or some kits may only be certain

orientations or something like that.

that's one of my weird constraints I'm running into, but I have multiple

kits and I'm putting stuff into them, which is a big progress.

I worked on some graphics.

I think I might've sent that to you last week, too, where it's kind of

taking all of the objects that go on the wall and then trying to make

them into something that's scale representation of how much take up.

And I'm going to try and put those on each of the objects in hope that that

helps people understand how much they can throw onto each wall themselves.

And the other thing I had a thought of is you could do

automatic kind of discounting.

And my whole intent is, you know, with a kit, your erases our cart value, right.

also is a benefit to them if they order more at the same time.

So I thought, well, if you buy a kit and you want to add something else, I

think I can throw in like an automatic discount of those other things that

happens at the same time, as long as it's kind of the right formula.

It's amazing how you just try some of this stuff, like you've been

saying you get, you get somewhere.

He had some progress made.

feels

Yeah.

It's like, like my canopy has, but it's being informed by the tool.

And if the tool is Shopify and the constraints, what can I can and can't

do I find yeah, super effective.

Yeah.

That's great.

That's fine.

I really like your graphic style, by the way.

Of that one.

I sent you.

Not just in general, like

all the, all your graphic collateral on your website and

bits and pieces you've sent me.

It's nice.

Thanks.

I'm probably a one trick pony in terms of, I don't have a lot of variability in it.

It's kind of like, my style is the one style I have.

Great.

So it needs to be, I remember when I was studying industrial design at uni

and I remember a comment from one of the, I think it was a graphic design

lecturer that we were industrial.

done this sort of publication outcome.

And I remember a graphic design lecturer about how he really liked

limits with

the graphic

of

design cohort, very sort of

people would

graphic

Yeah,

weren't really aware

reason

sort of like I think he described it as navel

um Let's sort with industry stuff, just how do we communicate

ideas in play and effectively,

design thing

in

my

to

in rhino using hatch

I definitely know my And there was lot they

of you're describing in architecture, where it not capitalize the first

design underscores all place no I'm sure I of that too,

Yeah.

call

my brother was in a portion design school at one point is a

of, in looking at and like And I remember he told me some years ago,

really like a Nack product has turned

feel

or something, a more straightforward name basically like an

Ikea, crazy, you know, like.

Something that doesn't really make any sense.

And he was like, I don't know.

I don't really think you're that kind of person.

I think you name it straightforward as possible.

And that's been the easiest path for me after that.

It was like, I don't need to over-complicate it what it is.

Not really like innovating names here.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's good advice.

All right.

So has I say your kid of parts is a

Kayla Kiva?

Yeah.

Has made some good progress.

I definitely feel the pressure of this.

Like as the week progresses, I'm like, shit, I really need to make some progress.

So it's very effective.

Made some solid progress yesterday.

I'd already committed to dimensions, but sort of finally

modeled up all the components.

The new components infusion gave them part numbers, skews, whatever.

And then when Josh got in yesterday, I was like, cool, here's all the parts.

And here's the starting configurations that I want.

And he muddle them up so I could start rendering and thinking.

Getting them online.

So it's a few, few more components than the existing good apart system.

So it need to sort of think how is communicating the different

configurations and we'll probably offer a few different kit sizes this

time, sort of small, medium, large, rather than just one big kit yeah.

And that's That was good.

for

scared when I I

are mad it

like iteration bought one last or whatever oh, no, I missed out on.

Yeah, but I don't know to transition to any product, there's always going

to be that stop one and start another, and we're not the first hard stop.

to service new ones, not backwards compatible, but

like a well-known sunset date, you know, we'll do it another And there'll

have

people that see it.

and people someone who's had a year training.

And I sent a bunch of warnings,

that.

feeling

this there's you're going I don't know it's just going to happen.

And I, I have the same

a We'll continue

I try to limit kinds of problems

part

a want people mad.

it wears on you, I think.

And probably if we just find a way to ourselves when you make those decisions,

it's easier to make the best ones for the business when you don't have to

directly the customer service messages,

totally.

Yup,

I do all of them.

yup.

um,

Yeah, I know that, that, I'm sure that's driven way too many of my

thoughts over the last year about the wall and stuff like that.

yeah.

Yeah.

Official.

That's good.

I, it seems like you just like rocketed from, it seemed like a big problem we were

talking about with all the dimensions.

Then new me seems to have the decent amount and then all of a

sudden you were making parameters.

So good

just, just committing.

And thanks.

Feel YouTube fusion, rendering video by the way,

I've been meaning to watch that

fusion doesn't

And I was

to

Cause I've thinking, I wonder what Justin knows about fusion rendering that

Yeah

sitting down yesterday afternoon to start rendering

you

it like, cool.

I just put it on the other screen and just watch I think I'm across most

of what you talked about, but then just being, seeing the way you were

using those light admitting tubes

Hmm.

off camera, I was like, I'd played with light admitters

a little bit, but never sort

all

it.

Looking just terrible.

And so I just persisted for an three minutes.

I was like, oh actually, this this is nice.

Like I can make this work.

So that was cool.

make it super easy.

Like, know, you got

yeah,

I

final rendering that looks okay.

yeah,

can make while

I'm glad it's somewhat helpful.

It's pretty low views, but the people that have

yeah.

Cool.

of

Dolly thing at

to light it up too

Yeah.

This is going to be a mess.

thing called Dali and it's like an AI app and you can

type in what you wanted to say.

And so I started off with CNC baby pants and it creates.

and I was much

combinations of those things.

So this was pretty terrible.

And you can, I'll probably post some of these videos where

you can go watch the YouTube.

This one's a little bit better.

Baby pants with metal ducting for legs that are red.

it's mostly just baby pants that look like red.

This is my favorite by far baby pants with metal ducting for legs,

especially the middle one is fantastic.

Two podcast guys who are friends, the

faces are disturbing.

I think we'll have to use this one.

It's like a, a bad expressionists , The, baby writing a spindle with

red pants kind of disturbing.

I think I have one more, an Australian guy named Jim with a robot and

the faces are just so strange.

You have to kind of your way through basically dos have their

like, server that you gotta try it.

If I did these kind of COVID fever.

So you wouldn't be surprised that they're a little strange.

Yeah.

I found that entertaining.

Cool.

I'll have a go at that.

Yeah.

Excellent.

There you

Very good.

Nice.

All right.

What do you, next step on you?

You've handed off kit of parts.

it on its way?

No, I haven't handed it off, but uh, I think next step

is building an app Shopify.

yeah Again, do what you're doing.

Try and build out the variant logic.

Hopefully these renders will help to find the kit like pot quantities and stuff like

yeah, to overthink not make regrettable decisions either somewhere in the middle.

I really want to get them out this month if I can,

we need a bit of web

funny

and also aware of like, now that I've of announced what doing on Instagram.

I don't

So

they were about month, I don't to all uh, waiting for product that then doesn't

yeah,

created a bit of back pressure for myself.

How do you, all,

try not it

do you do any type of pre-orders

no.

Yeah.

Oh yeah.

a

update.

Web

I always have

pretty

at the end of these is I went to order a bunch of materials for

baby pants to production runs

and

I'm

on my path hopefully finding some

buying something this drop

definitely, I don't imagine going for them.

so

or

To have in one

yeah, hopefully, So I may do some form of like a, I don't

want it extensively, but some form of backorders, so we know

how much to kind of stock for and,

Cool.

and cause.

And the printing, like we all know I've talked about, it's going to take

some time to kind of keep up with that.

yeah.

I don't know.

It's it'll come as it comes, I think, I've never not shipped a product

to somebody of yet dozen years.

So not that anybody knows

sure Okay.

Have you thought about doing a pre presale for baby pants?

Yeah.

Sorry.

That's kind of what I was thinking.

It was probably do some type of controlled backward

Yeah.

Probably sell a few that we have stock for.

Make the messaging clear that this is going to take a few weeks because

the supply chain is a nightmare.

The same thing that I've been ordering to test all of a sudden

was like six to seven weeks out.

And I was like, what?

Wait, what, what?

Now that I want it.

It's not there.

It has a little frustrated with that.

Yeah.

Hey, it is what it is.

Yeah,

this

Awesome.

sniffling mess

I'll

Off we go.

I have, yeah.

Feeling better in nighttime.

think this helped a little bit.

I was afraid my voice would go out, but I'm feeling all

You seem pretty.

seem pretty good.

I haven't had a lot of talking, so maybe it's just been built up.

Yeah, yeah.

Have a good weekend.

Yeah.

you too.

Take care.

Bye.

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