1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,140 You found the backup wrap up your go-to podcast for all things 2 00:00:04,140 --> 00:00:06,750 backup recovery and cyber recovery. 3 00:00:07,079 --> 00:00:11,310 In this episode, we're excited to announce something that's going to make life 4 00:00:11,340 --> 00:00:14,130 easier for NetBackup users everywhere. 5 00:00:14,430 --> 00:00:18,450 A completely free NetBackup reader S2|DATA. 6 00:00:18,930 --> 00:00:23,430 If you've got NetBackup disc images lying around and you need to know what's on 7 00:00:23,430 --> 00:00:26,189 them, or you need to get data off of them. 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:31,080 You don't want to maintain or pay for a full NetBackup environment. 9 00:00:31,439 --> 00:00:32,610 This tool is for you. 10 00:00:33,510 --> 00:00:38,459 We're joined by Brendan Sullivan, CEO S2|DATA to discuss why they created 11 00:00:38,459 --> 00:00:42,870 this free tool and how it can help you take control of your backup data. 12 00:00:43,379 --> 00:00:47,670 Full disclosure, I work for S2|DATA and am just as excited 13 00:00:47,670 --> 00:00:49,260 about the tool as Brendan is. 14 00:00:50,024 --> 00:00:53,114 By the way, if this is your first time listening and you don't know who 15 00:00:53,114 --> 00:00:56,385 I am, I'm w Curtis Preston, AKA, Mr. 16 00:00:56,385 --> 00:01:01,155 Backup, and I've been passionate about backup and recovery for over 30 years. 17 00:01:01,425 --> 00:01:02,114 Ever since. 18 00:01:02,114 --> 00:01:06,195 I had to tell my boss that we had no backups of our production 19 00:01:06,195 --> 00:01:08,325 database that we had just lost. 20 00:01:08,774 --> 00:01:11,744 I don't want that to happen to you, and that's why I do this. 21 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:17,300 On this podcast, we turn unappreciated backup admins into cyber recovery heroes. 22 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:19,790 This is the backup wrap up. 23 00:01:34,647 --> 00:01:35,607 Welcome to the show. 24 00:01:36,087 --> 00:01:38,637 Hi, I am w Curtis Preston, AKA, Mr. 25 00:01:38,637 --> 00:01:41,247 Backup, and I have with me my fellow Wicked. 26 00:01:41,892 --> 00:01:44,502 Convert Prasanna Malaiyandi, how's it going? 27 00:01:44,502 --> 00:01:45,142 Prasanna? 28 00:01:45,252 --> 00:01:46,092 I'm doing well, 29 00:01:46,092 --> 00:01:46,632 Curtis. 30 00:01:46,955 --> 00:01:48,845 it's an amazing movie. 31 00:01:48,995 --> 00:01:53,525 I had never seen the musical, right, and I heard someone enjoyed it so 32 00:01:53,525 --> 00:01:57,815 much that they decided to go see it twice this weekend, helping contribute 33 00:01:57,815 --> 00:02:00,755 to that $114 million box office 34 00:02:02,435 --> 00:02:02,765 earnings. 35 00:02:02,770 --> 00:02:02,910 Yeah. 36 00:02:02,975 --> 00:02:03,215 Yeah. 37 00:02:03,215 --> 00:02:03,725 It, it. 38 00:02:05,675 --> 00:02:07,955 I did enjoy it enough to go see it twice. 39 00:02:07,955 --> 00:02:10,955 I would totally go to see it a third time, but the reason I saw it twice, 40 00:02:10,955 --> 00:02:14,705 because the first time I saw it, I saw it by myself and then I, I made 41 00:02:14,705 --> 00:02:17,375 sure that my wife got a chance to see it, and she of course loved it. 42 00:02:17,705 --> 00:02:22,415 Uh, my favorite part was, you know, there's the one really sad slash 43 00:02:22,415 --> 00:02:26,345 touching part, and my granddaughter, who wasn't with me during either of 44 00:02:26,345 --> 00:02:28,715 these, my granddaughter, when she was watching it with her mother. 45 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:33,980 She, um, she turned to her mother and said, I bet Papa 46 00:02:33,980 --> 00:02:35,420 is crying during this part. 47 00:02:36,230 --> 00:02:37,550 And Papa is what she calls you. 48 00:02:37,910 --> 00:02:38,540 Yeah, yeah. 49 00:02:38,540 --> 00:02:40,760 Papa is what she calls me, and yeah, she was right. 50 00:02:40,970 --> 00:02:42,410 Uh, it was a great movie. 51 00:02:42,470 --> 00:02:46,460 Um, you know, and for, for the, for just for frame of reference, I typically 52 00:02:47,150 --> 00:02:52,335 hate Hollywood versions of my favorite musicals, but this one, they knocked 53 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,710 it outta the park in every sense. 54 00:02:54,710 --> 00:02:55,970 I have no complaints and I'm no. 55 00:02:57,275 --> 00:02:59,945 My only complaint is that I have to wait a year to see part two. 56 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:00,430 Right. 57 00:03:00,435 --> 00:03:00,725 Yeah. 58 00:03:00,785 --> 00:03:02,225 But at least they're making part two. 59 00:03:02,975 --> 00:03:03,335 Yeah. 60 00:03:03,365 --> 00:03:03,545 Right. 61 00:03:03,595 --> 00:03:07,495 So I took my wife to go see it, and I would say the only complaint that we 62 00:03:07,495 --> 00:03:11,185 had was, it's a little long, right? 63 00:03:11,305 --> 00:03:12,085 For a couple 64 00:03:12,085 --> 00:03:14,515 that watches Bollywood movies on a regular basis. 65 00:03:14,515 --> 00:03:16,045 You think that this movie was long? 66 00:03:16,345 --> 00:03:16,765 Yes. 67 00:03:17,215 --> 00:03:17,455 Okay. 68 00:03:17,455 --> 00:03:17,875 Well, it was 69 00:03:17,875 --> 00:03:19,885 just a touch long, but 70 00:03:19,915 --> 00:03:21,385 two hours and 40 minutes. 71 00:03:21,595 --> 00:03:21,895 Yeah. 72 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,840 Plus if you add the 15 or so or 20 minutes of previews Right, you're 73 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:27,220 sitting there for three hours. 74 00:03:27,220 --> 00:03:27,610 Right. 75 00:03:28,930 --> 00:03:31,450 Which is just long enough to get a Bollywood movie started. 76 00:03:31,450 --> 00:03:32,620 So, um, 77 00:03:33,910 --> 00:03:34,900 but no, it was great. 78 00:03:34,900 --> 00:03:38,950 Yeah, like, uh, my wife was like, I really, really, really wanna see it again. 79 00:03:38,950 --> 00:03:40,450 So we will wait. 80 00:03:40,450 --> 00:03:43,300 Maybe we will watch it on streaming whenever it comes out. 81 00:03:44,005 --> 00:03:44,455 I'm glad, just so 82 00:03:44,455 --> 00:03:47,095 we can pause, take breaks in between, you know, that sort of thing. 83 00:03:47,125 --> 00:03:47,545 Oh, right. 84 00:03:47,545 --> 00:03:48,145 Yeah, that makes 85 00:03:48,145 --> 00:03:48,505 sense. 86 00:03:48,505 --> 00:03:48,895 Yeah. 87 00:03:49,045 --> 00:03:49,405 Yeah. 88 00:03:50,195 --> 00:03:52,235 So we have someone chomping at the bit. 89 00:03:52,235 --> 00:03:56,765 We once again are visited by the CEO of S2|DATA. 90 00:03:57,035 --> 00:03:58,155 Brendan Sullivan. 91 00:03:58,175 --> 00:03:59,075 How's it going Brendan? 92 00:03:59,915 --> 00:04:00,845 Not too bad at all. 93 00:04:01,025 --> 00:04:01,385 How are you doing? 94 00:04:01,745 --> 00:04:04,145 I, I'm, I'm just gonna go on a limb and say that you did 95 00:04:04,145 --> 00:04:05,525 not see Wicked this weekend. 96 00:04:05,945 --> 00:04:06,815 I have not seen Wicked. 97 00:04:08,915 --> 00:04:10,655 You, you are missing out, my friend. 98 00:04:10,895 --> 00:04:11,435 Missing out. 99 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:19,100 Um, but we're, we're here to actually, to talk about some pretty big news and 100 00:04:19,100 --> 00:04:23,510 so I'm, I'm, I'm just gonna jump right to the, you know, the, the news release 101 00:04:23,510 --> 00:04:29,150 that's, that's basically going to go live today as the, the day that we're, um, 102 00:04:29,150 --> 00:04:31,970 uh, publishing this particular episode. 103 00:04:32,450 --> 00:04:38,700 And that is, that S2|DATA is releasing a free NetBackup reader. 104 00:04:38,940 --> 00:04:41,695 So do you, you want to just give a summary of that and then we will jump 105 00:04:41,695 --> 00:04:43,435 into why would you do such a thing? 106 00:04:44,965 --> 00:04:45,235 Yeah. 107 00:04:45,235 --> 00:04:53,215 So, um, what it is, is a standalone application that, uh, anybody can 108 00:04:53,215 --> 00:04:57,835 download and, uh, if they have, um, old. 109 00:04:58,420 --> 00:05:03,280 Uh, NetBackup disc images lying around that, uh, they wanna know what's on 110 00:05:03,280 --> 00:05:07,300 there, or they know what's on there and they want to get what's off those images. 111 00:05:07,510 --> 00:05:09,400 Then you have two choices. 112 00:05:09,430 --> 00:05:13,870 You, you, you either crank up the, the legacy NetBackup environment 113 00:05:13,870 --> 00:05:16,300 or the existing NetBackup environment to restore them. 114 00:05:16,450 --> 00:05:18,550 Um, or you can download our app. 115 00:05:18,845 --> 00:05:22,145 And find out what's on them and restore what's on them, or just 116 00:05:22,145 --> 00:05:26,555 get an index of, of, uh, all the metadata and, uh, find out that way. 117 00:05:26,555 --> 00:05:32,525 And, and the, the kind of the driver to do it, um, is largely because, you 118 00:05:32,525 --> 00:05:36,545 know, there's, there's a lot of legacy backup environments out there, and. 119 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:42,010 As is often the case data outlasts the infrastructure or the environment 120 00:05:42,010 --> 00:05:43,330 in which it was created in. 121 00:05:43,510 --> 00:05:49,780 Um, things like, uh, litigation, business compliance, regulatory reasons actually 122 00:05:50,380 --> 00:05:57,040 compel companies to either keep it, um, or extract it long after they've paid 123 00:05:57,045 --> 00:05:58,930 for or maintained the environments. 124 00:05:58,990 --> 00:06:03,280 So this application allows them to do that, whether they have 125 00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:04,630 the environment in place or not. 126 00:06:06,130 --> 00:06:09,070 So this sounds amazing, Brendan, but I guess one of the questions 127 00:06:09,070 --> 00:06:15,460 some listeners may have is you did a backup using, say, NetBackup, right? 128 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:16,870 And you're keeping it around. 129 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:21,820 Why would I need a tool like this given that I have like my backup sitting? 130 00:06:21,820 --> 00:06:26,020 Like, is there a reason why I can't just reuse NetBackup that 131 00:06:26,020 --> 00:06:27,820 I have in my environment already? 132 00:06:28,840 --> 00:06:30,820 No, there's no reason you couldn't use that. 133 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:36,040 And really the, the reason to use the application is if you no longer have that. 134 00:06:36,460 --> 00:06:41,260 And so what is often the case is that, customers. 135 00:06:42,220 --> 00:06:46,420 Haven't got the, that existing environment around, no longer have the support, no 136 00:06:46,420 --> 00:06:50,380 longer have the hardware infrastructure or the software licenses to do it. 137 00:06:50,470 --> 00:06:53,050 Um, but yet they still need to find the data. 138 00:06:53,050 --> 00:06:56,530 So it is actually only in the instance when you don't have 139 00:06:56,530 --> 00:06:58,510 the environment around and. 140 00:06:59,215 --> 00:07:04,075 We, we see that that is happening with increasing frequency, that, 141 00:07:04,075 --> 00:07:05,905 uh, companies are moving on. 142 00:07:05,905 --> 00:07:08,755 They're moving on to, you know, backing up to the cloud or other 143 00:07:08,755 --> 00:07:11,155 versions or other flavors of backup. 144 00:07:11,155 --> 00:07:13,645 And, um, they've got all data out there 145 00:07:14,665 --> 00:07:19,375 I guess one of the reasons that, especially let's say a, a Veritas 146 00:07:19,375 --> 00:07:21,505 customer might be in this scenario. 147 00:07:21,910 --> 00:07:27,730 Is if they are considering moving on to another product, or perhaps they're 148 00:07:27,730 --> 00:07:31,600 concerned about the Cohesity news, even though Cohesity is, you know, 149 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,780 made it clear they're not killing off NetBackup, they're not, you know, 150 00:07:34,780 --> 00:07:37,150 they're not gonna orphan these customers. 151 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:39,640 I think there's still a certain amount of uneasiness there. 152 00:07:40,825 --> 00:07:43,660 Um, and this gives them that option right? 153 00:07:43,690 --> 00:07:47,560 To, to use, to continue to read their backups. 154 00:07:47,935 --> 00:07:52,045 But while they don't have to keep the NetBackup environment around, if 155 00:07:52,045 --> 00:07:56,065 they still have it right, it, it'd be like you said, it, it, there's 156 00:07:56,065 --> 00:07:58,525 no reason to use the tool if you have the NetBackup stuff running. 157 00:07:58,525 --> 00:08:03,415 But if you have backups, uh, but don't have NetBackup or don't want 158 00:08:03,415 --> 00:08:07,555 to continue paying, uh, Veritas, then that would be the u use for the tools. 159 00:08:07,555 --> 00:08:08,335 Does that sound about right? 160 00:08:09,025 --> 00:08:10,045 That sounds about right. 161 00:08:10,045 --> 00:08:13,195 I would say that, that it's also fast. 162 00:08:13,765 --> 00:08:20,215 You point it to, um, a location, a path, or a, uh, a destination, a local 163 00:08:20,215 --> 00:08:26,425 destination drive and say, gimme the index of all the files on, on this disc image. 164 00:08:26,455 --> 00:08:28,375 And it does it extremely quickly. 165 00:08:28,645 --> 00:08:33,565 So there's no, there's no convoluted path that you have have to go through other 166 00:08:33,565 --> 00:08:35,185 than a couple of clicks of a button. 167 00:08:35,485 --> 00:08:37,375 So, uh, it can also be pretty quick. 168 00:08:37,735 --> 00:08:39,775 Um, but really the driver is. 169 00:08:41,110 --> 00:08:45,310 You wanna, clients wanna have their data in their own hands 170 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:50,230 under all circumstances, and, uh, for, for as long as they want it. 171 00:08:50,500 --> 00:08:55,240 Um, this, this is not a replacement, this is an alternative for a 172 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,250 certain, certain situation. 173 00:08:57,340 --> 00:09:01,240 And, um, you know what, what might also be interesting is, is. 174 00:09:01,570 --> 00:09:02,740 Why did we do this? 175 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:04,780 Uh, or what, what gave rise to it? 176 00:09:04,780 --> 00:09:10,810 Because we're an IT professional services company and we make our money by offering 177 00:09:10,810 --> 00:09:18,010 services to find, restore, delete, dispose of, et cetera data from all sorts of 178 00:09:18,010 --> 00:09:21,040 legacy backup environments and current backup environments for that matter. 179 00:09:21,460 --> 00:09:26,650 Um, and we were, uh, doing a project internationally actually in Europe about 180 00:09:26,650 --> 00:09:30,940 a year or so ago, and, uh, the project was going well and there was lots of 181 00:09:31,150 --> 00:09:37,360 different, uh, sources of, of, um, or destination sources where data that was 182 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,430 having to be collected was collected from. 183 00:09:40,060 --> 00:09:45,010 And one of the challenges with this, with companies is, is that. 184 00:09:45,340 --> 00:09:50,650 If they don't necessarily want to because of data privacy or, uh, regulation or 185 00:09:50,650 --> 00:09:53,680 because of their own business policy, then they won't, don't necessarily 186 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:57,930 wanna move that data worked on within our facilities or with anybody's 187 00:09:57,930 --> 00:09:59,490 facilities other than their own. 188 00:10:00,060 --> 00:10:04,500 And we were, so, we were on site behind the firewall doing this kind of work. 189 00:10:04,890 --> 00:10:08,070 And uh, and then it became clear that certain. 190 00:10:08,730 --> 00:10:13,710 Um, data sources were not in that physical proximity. 191 00:10:13,710 --> 00:10:16,500 They were on some disc images, or they believed that they 192 00:10:16,500 --> 00:10:17,730 were on some disc images. 193 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:23,880 So we developed, um, a kind of a piecemeal solution at the time and said, 194 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:28,320 look, we can pull this into the, the, the grander population of, of data. 195 00:10:29,145 --> 00:10:32,565 If you run this, run this, we'll get an index of, of, uh, of the 196 00:10:32,565 --> 00:10:35,895 content, of, of those disc images that are in a different location. 197 00:10:36,255 --> 00:10:37,455 Did that work fine? 198 00:10:37,485 --> 00:10:41,145 Sent some data, didn't send others, and the project was complete. 199 00:10:41,535 --> 00:10:43,935 And at the end of the project we thought, you know, that's a 200 00:10:43,935 --> 00:10:47,230 pretty useful utility for, for anybody to have, you know, so, um. 201 00:10:48,345 --> 00:10:51,075 It's not always the case that you can be on site. 202 00:10:51,105 --> 00:10:54,735 It's not always the case that you want to do anything extravagant or 203 00:10:54,735 --> 00:10:58,785 anything comprehensive with your date with the data, like an e-discovery 204 00:10:58,785 --> 00:10:59,925 production or something like that. 205 00:10:59,925 --> 00:11:03,795 Maybe you just want to know to rule in or to rule out whether or not 206 00:11:03,795 --> 00:11:05,925 target data, um, is actually there. 207 00:11:05,925 --> 00:11:07,245 So we built that application. 208 00:11:07,245 --> 00:11:11,025 We thought that's pretty useful and it could be useful going forward. 209 00:11:11,415 --> 00:11:14,925 So why don't we put that in a, uh, a, you know, get a. 210 00:11:15,540 --> 00:11:17,220 Quite attractive user interface. 211 00:11:17,220 --> 00:11:20,910 I may, I may add, and a standalone application that'll boot it, boot 212 00:11:20,910 --> 00:11:23,580 itself and, uh, it could be quite useful for clients to have it. 213 00:11:24,090 --> 00:11:25,560 So that was the, that was the driver. 214 00:11:26,340 --> 00:11:30,810 Having worked at a quite a few backup vendors, uh, uh, one of the things that 215 00:11:30,810 --> 00:11:35,040 we would always talk about is, Hey, let's always have our own proprietary format, 216 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:36,930 because then it makes it so sticky, right? 217 00:11:36,930 --> 00:11:41,100 A customer can't easily switch from your software to a different software 218 00:11:41,100 --> 00:11:44,790 because like you said, they have all this data, what are they going to do with it? 219 00:11:44,790 --> 00:11:48,120 And so you kind of become very sticky, which for a vendor 220 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:49,860 is good, but for a customer. 221 00:11:50,315 --> 00:11:53,375 Isn't always the right approach because you might want to pick a different 222 00:11:53,375 --> 00:11:57,095 vendor because there is a new business problem or challenge you have that 223 00:11:57,095 --> 00:12:01,145 requires a different solution and now you're kind of stuck, right? 224 00:12:01,145 --> 00:12:01,205 Yeah. 225 00:12:01,235 --> 00:12:02,135 So it's great to hear. 226 00:12:02,165 --> 00:12:06,755 See tools like this that gives you, gives customers that freedom to decide 227 00:12:06,755 --> 00:12:09,815 what tools they should be using, what vendors they should be using, 228 00:12:09,935 --> 00:12:13,355 and not necessarily be stuck because they made a decision in the past. 229 00:12:14,115 --> 00:12:14,295 Yeah. 230 00:12:14,295 --> 00:12:16,575 So, uh, I, I just wanna jump in here. 231 00:12:16,605 --> 00:12:18,975 Full disclosure, uh, I work for Brendan. 232 00:12:18,975 --> 00:12:22,005 I guess I maybe should have started with that, but I do work for Brendan. 233 00:12:22,285 --> 00:12:26,785 I just wanted to jump on a piece that you said earlier, Brendan, and that is that. 234 00:12:27,445 --> 00:12:32,615 This is one of the businesses that S2|DATA is in, is to, is to do exactly 235 00:12:32,615 --> 00:12:36,965 what, uh, Prasanna talked about, is to give people the freedom to 236 00:12:36,965 --> 00:12:42,365 use their old backups, but without having to be tied to that old backup 237 00:12:42,365 --> 00:12:43,805 company if they don't want to. 238 00:12:44,825 --> 00:12:45,305 Yes. 239 00:12:46,025 --> 00:12:46,235 Right. 240 00:12:46,235 --> 00:12:46,505 That is 241 00:12:47,345 --> 00:12:47,495 correct. 242 00:12:47,495 --> 00:12:47,675 Yeah. 243 00:12:48,245 --> 00:12:52,115 And if I can kind of just add on, um, what, what Ana just 244 00:12:52,115 --> 00:12:54,635 said, it's the client's data. 245 00:12:55,310 --> 00:12:57,290 It's not the backup software's data. 246 00:12:57,590 --> 00:13:01,550 Um, the, the companies that create, uh, these environments, it's not their data. 247 00:13:01,550 --> 00:13:04,520 It's the client's data and they want to have total command of it. 248 00:13:04,670 --> 00:13:06,020 And that's one of our taglines. 249 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:09,530 We give you total command of your data. 250 00:13:09,860 --> 00:13:14,480 So, you know, you, you hear over the years we've heard a a lot about, you 251 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:19,280 know, standardization of formats and why can't we have, uh, you know, the, some 252 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:20,930 level of standardization here or there. 253 00:13:20,930 --> 00:13:23,750 But the reality is it's a market environment. 254 00:13:24,125 --> 00:13:26,855 Uh, everybody wants the standard to be their own standard. 255 00:13:27,245 --> 00:13:30,155 Uh, and as long as they never go out of business or as long as their 256 00:13:30,155 --> 00:13:33,395 standards never change and everybody's happy, but of course we all know that 257 00:13:33,395 --> 00:13:35,585 that is a, that's never gonna happen. 258 00:13:35,915 --> 00:13:42,425 So this is, this is all about really just giving the tools so that clients can 259 00:13:42,425 --> 00:13:45,005 be in total command of their own data. 260 00:13:45,395 --> 00:13:46,775 Whenever they need it to be. 261 00:13:47,075 --> 00:13:47,315 Yeah. 262 00:13:47,705 --> 00:13:51,785 And even with standardization, like I just think about NDMP and even though 263 00:13:51,785 --> 00:13:56,615 NDMP is a standard, every vendor has their own format within NDMP, so you don't 264 00:13:56,615 --> 00:13:58,325 end up with that cross compatibility. 265 00:13:58,325 --> 00:13:59,075 So, yeah. 266 00:13:59,775 --> 00:14:02,865 When you talked about, you said that it can, it can catalog the 267 00:14:02,865 --> 00:14:04,635 data and it can restore the data. 268 00:14:04,965 --> 00:14:07,335 What format is that catalog output? 269 00:14:08,505 --> 00:14:10,855 The catalog output is, is CSV. 270 00:14:11,025 --> 00:14:14,505 Um, so you, you can, you know, read it on an Excel spreadsheet, you'll 271 00:14:14,505 --> 00:14:17,955 just get a dump look to a local disk, and then you'll have a list 272 00:14:17,955 --> 00:14:23,925 and it'll have the major pieces of metadata of those individual files. 273 00:14:23,925 --> 00:14:27,165 So things like, um, file name, file extension, the 274 00:14:27,165 --> 00:14:28,515 path that it was originally. 275 00:14:28,830 --> 00:14:33,420 Backed up to create modified access date file extension and the size of the file. 276 00:14:33,660 --> 00:14:39,330 So standard type information that you might need for future discovery 277 00:14:39,330 --> 00:14:40,830 or future production of that data. 278 00:14:41,850 --> 00:14:42,570 Yeah, I like that. 279 00:14:42,570 --> 00:14:47,430 'cause the idea, you know, again, you know, you talked about faster, like 280 00:14:47,430 --> 00:14:51,690 in, in the case of NetBackup, which is what this tool, uh, right now is 281 00:14:51,690 --> 00:14:53,975 designed to, to work with the first tool. 282 00:14:53,975 --> 00:14:55,380 The catalog is great. 283 00:14:55,620 --> 00:14:55,770 Yeah. 284 00:14:55,770 --> 00:14:56,370 What was that 285 00:14:56,820 --> 00:14:57,690 the first tool? 286 00:14:57,975 --> 00:15:01,480 NetBackup is a, you know, huge amount of users out there. 287 00:15:01,990 --> 00:15:05,050 But this is not to say that we can't develop subsequent 288 00:15:05,050 --> 00:15:08,890 apps on all of the other major backup software, uh, platforms, 289 00:15:09,190 --> 00:15:09,550 right? 290 00:15:09,915 --> 00:15:15,130 The, the, the NetBackup catalog is nice, but also this idea of 291 00:15:15,130 --> 00:15:17,380 being able to create sort of a. 292 00:15:17,860 --> 00:15:23,200 Human readable, um, catalog as I make quotes in the air, but basically if 293 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:27,580 I could create a CSV file of every one of my backups, that that's, 294 00:15:27,580 --> 00:15:32,950 there's a lot of things that I, as a, a UNY type person can do with that. 295 00:15:32,950 --> 00:15:33,310 Right. 296 00:15:33,310 --> 00:15:37,510 You know, beautiful words like GR and sort, and all sorts of things. 297 00:15:37,510 --> 00:15:43,570 I can, I can find really interesting things in that data if you give me. 298 00:15:44,335 --> 00:15:47,725 The data in a format that allows me to do text manipulation. 299 00:15:47,725 --> 00:15:52,015 I, I think that's a, that's something that this offers, that even, even if you 300 00:15:52,015 --> 00:15:56,365 have NetBackup, it doesn't necessarily offer that, uh, at least, certainly 301 00:15:56,365 --> 00:15:59,065 not in in as easy a format of, of this. 302 00:15:59,425 --> 00:16:00,655 Yeah, that's, that, that's correct. 303 00:16:00,655 --> 00:16:02,005 That's not in a simple format. 304 00:16:02,005 --> 00:16:04,015 You'll typically have, you know, when you're creating a 305 00:16:04,015 --> 00:16:05,185 backup, a NetBackup, Amazon. 306 00:16:05,350 --> 00:16:06,490 A hundred percent sure. 307 00:16:06,490 --> 00:16:09,190 You know, you'll, you know, you'll typically have a phase one import, a 308 00:16:09,190 --> 00:16:12,520 phase two import, and then you'll have a process to go through to get those. 309 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:17,050 This is closer to a phase two import catalog for those 310 00:16:17,050 --> 00:16:18,220 NetBackup users out there. 311 00:16:18,220 --> 00:16:23,110 It's closer to that, but it also has backup session level information as well. 312 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,080 And, uh, you know, it's, it, it, it's quick. 313 00:16:26,140 --> 00:16:27,670 So certainly. 314 00:16:28,020 --> 00:16:33,060 From our company that has, um, developed a lot of its business from 315 00:16:33,060 --> 00:16:35,340 servicing the legal technology industry. 316 00:16:35,730 --> 00:16:40,200 Um, decisions are made, I don't know if it's more, but it's 317 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,895 certainly significantly, uh, evident that decisions are made. 318 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:51,430 Based on metadata, file catalogs, session catalogs, as much as the actual content 319 00:16:51,430 --> 00:16:56,650 itself, because a lot of what discovery and production is all about, it's all 320 00:16:56,650 --> 00:16:58,870 about ruling out rather than ruling in. 321 00:16:58,990 --> 00:17:02,560 And so a catalog is, that's the most beautiful thing for it, or the most, 322 00:17:02,740 --> 00:17:06,460 most common use for it, is to be able to rule out stuff because you wanna be 323 00:17:06,460 --> 00:17:08,290 able to delete it in a defensible manner. 324 00:17:08,500 --> 00:17:12,070 You wanna be able to ignore it and be able to say, here's why I ignored it. 325 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,260 And so the creation of a catalog. 326 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,760 Um, is is extremely important. 327 00:17:17,930 --> 00:17:19,430 And Brendan, one question. 328 00:17:19,430 --> 00:17:22,250 You mentioned sort of it being faster, and I know you talked about 329 00:17:22,250 --> 00:17:26,060 import one, import two, I'm not as familiar with NetBackup terminology. 330 00:17:26,390 --> 00:17:30,380 Could you sort of like high level, walk us through like comparing this tool 331 00:17:30,380 --> 00:17:35,810 to like what a customer may have to do if they didn't have a tool like this, 332 00:17:36,020 --> 00:17:38,180 like in, at a hypothetical scenario? 333 00:17:38,180 --> 00:17:38,480 Right. 334 00:17:39,050 --> 00:17:43,820 So I'm gonna answer that by se by referring you to. 335 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:49,870 Somebody who said they worked for me 10 minutes ago, and because I'll 336 00:17:49,870 --> 00:17:54,490 wager that Curtis has used NetBackup a lot more than I've used it. 337 00:17:55,420 --> 00:17:55,510 We 338 00:17:56,050 --> 00:17:56,500 create, yeah, we've 339 00:17:56,500 --> 00:17:59,950 created our native file restoration tools and extraction tools, so we 340 00:17:59,950 --> 00:18:04,990 create emulated environments that that en, that enable you to do things with 341 00:18:04,990 --> 00:18:06,850 data that was created by NetBackup. 342 00:18:07,750 --> 00:18:10,330 But Curtis would've used NetBackup a lot more than me, so he might 343 00:18:10,330 --> 00:18:11,530 actually be better placed to answer. 344 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:13,360 Curtis, you're on the spot. 345 00:18:13,825 --> 00:18:14,335 Yeah. 346 00:18:14,365 --> 00:18:14,635 Yeah. 347 00:18:14,635 --> 00:18:19,465 So basically assuming what you have is a pile of NetBackup backups and 348 00:18:19,465 --> 00:18:21,235 you don't have a catalog, right? 349 00:18:21,235 --> 00:18:24,265 That the, the sort of the worst case scenario, the first thing you'd have to do 350 00:18:24,265 --> 00:18:28,495 is to create a NetBackup environment, find some NetBackup software that's compatible 351 00:18:28,495 --> 00:18:32,635 with diversion of NetBackup that you happen to have, which you're not sure. 352 00:18:32,695 --> 00:18:35,365 So it's just, there's some, there's some uncertainty there. 353 00:18:35,740 --> 00:18:41,080 You install the NetBackup software, um, and then you're going to do a phase 354 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:45,400 one and a phase two import on all of these images, and that will put it 355 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:50,290 into the NetBackup catalog, which then you would be able to, um, you know, 356 00:18:50,530 --> 00:18:52,510 do the regular NetBackup searches. 357 00:18:52,510 --> 00:18:52,900 Right? 358 00:18:53,230 --> 00:18:54,460 Um, but. 359 00:18:55,375 --> 00:18:59,725 You wouldn't be able to do this idea of just putting it into plain text and 360 00:18:59,725 --> 00:19:02,875 then searching it with various tools. 361 00:19:02,935 --> 00:19:03,355 Right? 362 00:19:03,355 --> 00:19:03,415 Yeah. 363 00:19:03,685 --> 00:19:09,595 Um, and you know, even, I mean, dare I speak even AI tools, right? 364 00:19:09,595 --> 00:19:11,725 You could take this, you could take these text. 365 00:19:12,085 --> 00:19:17,695 Uh, this tech CSV feed it into something like chat, GPT or, or, uh, Claude. 366 00:19:17,995 --> 00:19:21,475 And, uh, and, and look at the stuff and tell me what you 367 00:19:21,475 --> 00:19:22,765 can tell me about these files. 368 00:19:22,765 --> 00:19:23,095 Right? 369 00:19:23,125 --> 00:19:23,305 Yeah. 370 00:19:23,575 --> 00:19:29,785 Um, so yeah, it, it, it's not that it's not doable with, uh, Veritas, right? 371 00:19:30,025 --> 00:19:31,645 But there is that challenge of. 372 00:19:32,690 --> 00:19:35,485 The, the first thing of getting the software Yeah. 373 00:19:35,485 --> 00:19:39,385 That you may not even have anymore and you may not be able to get the software that's 374 00:19:39,385 --> 00:19:41,125 compatible with diversion that you have. 375 00:19:41,605 --> 00:19:41,815 Right. 376 00:19:41,815 --> 00:19:43,255 And the cost associated with that too. 377 00:19:43,285 --> 00:19:43,825 And the cost. 378 00:19:43,855 --> 00:19:44,995 Well, yeah. 379 00:19:45,055 --> 00:19:45,505 Right. 380 00:19:45,510 --> 00:19:49,585 Um, the, the, um, I, not just the 381 00:19:49,585 --> 00:19:51,085 software license, but also like. 382 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,250 The hardware, everything else you might need. 383 00:19:53,250 --> 00:19:53,310 Yeah. 384 00:19:53,460 --> 00:19:54,750 In order to be able to provision and run 385 00:19:54,750 --> 00:20:00,450 you, you need, you definitely need a a, a, a server that can satisfy the, the basic 386 00:20:00,450 --> 00:20:02,250 requirements of the Veritas software. 387 00:20:02,610 --> 00:20:07,410 Uh, whereas this is a very basic app that can run on a desktop, uh, 388 00:20:07,410 --> 00:20:12,450 and it just needs, uh, basically, uh, directory file access. 389 00:20:12,450 --> 00:20:12,660 Right. 390 00:20:12,660 --> 00:20:15,240 So NFS Mount or something like that. 391 00:20:15,525 --> 00:20:19,365 Um, it's not going to handle like, um, things that were 392 00:20:19,365 --> 00:20:20,985 backed up to object storage. 393 00:20:20,985 --> 00:20:21,885 At least not yet. 394 00:20:22,125 --> 00:20:26,325 And, uh, and if it doesn't handle what you have, right. 395 00:20:26,325 --> 00:20:30,510 If you have tape NetBackups, if you have networker, TSM. 396 00:20:31,765 --> 00:20:37,405 Arcserve, if you have all of those other formats, that's what, uh, S2|DATA does, 397 00:20:37,615 --> 00:20:41,275 is they can handle all of those other formats on a professional services basis. 398 00:20:41,695 --> 00:20:48,385 Uh, but this tool will do exactly what it says for the low, low price of $0. 399 00:20:48,725 --> 00:20:52,145 And it basically to, you know, to, to get the tool, you just download it 400 00:20:52,145 --> 00:20:56,915 directly from, um, we'll get the, we'll put the, um, the link in the show notes. 401 00:20:57,155 --> 00:20:59,045 You can download it directly from S2|DATA. 402 00:20:59,295 --> 00:21:02,775 It, it is a signed app by the way, for those are concerned about that. 403 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:07,910 But it downloads and it installs, um, and as a demo version. 404 00:21:08,180 --> 00:21:10,550 And that will do a certain number of files. 405 00:21:10,580 --> 00:21:14,660 Um, you know, without putting in the license, the license is free, but you do 406 00:21:14,660 --> 00:21:16,430 need to contact us to get the license. 407 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,670 It's sounds so amazing, but the one question I have is like, why 408 00:21:20,670 --> 00:21:22,710 has no one thought of this before? 409 00:21:22,710 --> 00:21:27,145 You know, like, it seems like a common problem that like every customer. 410 00:21:27,855 --> 00:21:30,975 Dealing with their backup environment, migrating from one environment to 411 00:21:30,975 --> 00:21:36,405 another would have, and yet, like it, like I've looked online and I 412 00:21:36,405 --> 00:21:40,485 haven't heard or seen anything like this, so it's kind of surprising. 413 00:21:41,805 --> 00:21:42,675 What do you think, Brendan? 414 00:21:43,140 --> 00:21:47,140 I think, um, I think there's definitely an element here that we're market 415 00:21:47,170 --> 00:21:50,955 shaping, um, as, as much as anything, um. 416 00:21:51,610 --> 00:21:57,100 I can't tell you the number of times that when we've had potential projects, 417 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:01,600 uh, that we've been scoping and we've been on conference calls and the client 418 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,080 explains their environment and they say, we need to get this data and 419 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,390 that data, and uh, can you do this? 420 00:22:07,780 --> 00:22:08,890 And we say yes. 421 00:22:08,890 --> 00:22:10,600 And they say, so you have this environment. 422 00:22:10,930 --> 00:22:16,630 And then we say, no, uh, we have our own, uh, application here with our own 423 00:22:16,630 --> 00:22:18,580 technology and we can restore your data. 424 00:22:18,580 --> 00:22:20,170 And they say, not everybody. 425 00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:23,560 Uh, uh, thinks that we can do it or thinks that it's possible. 426 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:24,550 And of course, it is possible. 427 00:22:24,550 --> 00:22:27,580 We're not the only company in the world that does this kind of non-native file 428 00:22:27,580 --> 00:22:31,150 restoration, uh, type, uh, type approach. 429 00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:37,700 Um, but so number one is, largely within the IT backup world, 430 00:22:37,705 --> 00:22:39,290 like when we hired Curtis. 431 00:22:39,770 --> 00:22:44,510 He was surprised at what we do because he's been living with the, in, in the 432 00:22:44,510 --> 00:22:49,040 world of using licenses and infrastructure and, and handshakes with certain library 433 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:53,120 types, et cetera, et cetera, to, uh, to get hold of his, uh, the data. 434 00:22:53,120 --> 00:22:56,210 So it's just that not everybody has necessarily thought that 435 00:22:56,210 --> 00:22:58,790 there may be an alternative way to get access to your data. 436 00:22:59,060 --> 00:22:59,150 Mm-Hmm. 437 00:22:59,390 --> 00:23:00,920 Other than the original native environment. 438 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:06,230 So that, so there is that and it's, that's part of the driver if you like. 439 00:23:06,550 --> 00:23:09,850 Um, towards launching a free app. 440 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:14,830 It's the, the world of getting data back for clients or helping data 441 00:23:14,830 --> 00:23:16,570 get back for clients is very broad. 442 00:23:16,790 --> 00:23:19,370 We're an IT professional services company primarily. 443 00:23:19,460 --> 00:23:23,180 And, um, you know, there's, there's a lot of ways for us to 444 00:23:23,180 --> 00:23:25,010 have relationships with customers. 445 00:23:25,010 --> 00:23:29,810 And so we thought, you know, this is one good way here is, is, uh, we know that 446 00:23:29,810 --> 00:23:34,190 a lot of the times it administrators, um, like Curtis from a past life. 447 00:23:34,515 --> 00:23:36,855 They wanna get hold of the application themselves and play around with 448 00:23:36,855 --> 00:23:38,175 it rather than speak to somebody. 449 00:23:38,385 --> 00:23:41,745 So what we're doing is we're allowing them to get hold of an application 450 00:23:41,745 --> 00:23:43,095 and see what can be achievable. 451 00:23:43,095 --> 00:23:45,525 And if they achieve what they want, great. 452 00:23:45,645 --> 00:23:48,855 And if they need more information, because they've got a larger 453 00:23:48,855 --> 00:23:50,595 requirement we're there, too, for that. 454 00:23:50,925 --> 00:23:54,045 So they're the, they're the drivers really for, for, for doing this. 455 00:23:55,220 --> 00:23:56,060 Yeah, I like that. 456 00:23:56,060 --> 00:24:01,340 And, and, and today it's NetBackup disc, and it's free tomorrow. 457 00:24:01,460 --> 00:24:02,540 Who knows, right? 458 00:24:02,540 --> 00:24:07,250 Who knows what applications, uh, you know, what, what forms this will take over time. 459 00:24:07,820 --> 00:24:12,350 I'm super excited for, I mean, both, both for you, uh, Brendan, 460 00:24:12,350 --> 00:24:13,610 like for, for the company. 461 00:24:13,975 --> 00:24:17,005 Uh, but also because I'm sitting here waiting to see how this thing, 462 00:24:19,145 --> 00:24:23,495 we've been talking about it for a while and, uh, release releasing it today. 463 00:24:23,835 --> 00:24:27,435 I know that the, the journalists that I've spoken to, they were very interested. 464 00:24:27,435 --> 00:24:29,715 They were like, oh, this, you know, they, it was 465 00:24:29,765 --> 00:24:34,325 sort of like you, what, what you said of like the, the, um, the disbelief, right? 466 00:24:34,385 --> 00:24:38,795 Um, and it's like, what, you know, why would you release a free tool? 467 00:24:38,825 --> 00:24:40,325 You know, that whole thing, right? 468 00:24:40,375 --> 00:24:45,205 What I think it does, is it demonstrates the kinds of things that are possible. 469 00:24:45,515 --> 00:24:46,535 I think that's a good thing. 470 00:24:47,285 --> 00:24:48,185 Any final thoughts? 471 00:24:48,185 --> 00:24:49,985 Um, no. 472 00:24:49,985 --> 00:24:52,805 I'm kind of, uh, waiting to see how it goes down as well. 473 00:24:52,805 --> 00:24:55,715 I have a, i, I have a suspicion that there's gonna be plenty of downloads. 474 00:24:56,090 --> 00:24:56,510 Yeah. 475 00:24:56,810 --> 00:24:57,230 Yeah. 476 00:24:57,285 --> 00:24:58,760 I, I, I suspect the same. 477 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,100 We'll be, we'll be watching the same logs, I'm sure. 478 00:25:01,730 --> 00:25:05,660 Um, all right, well, uh, thanks Prasanna for the usual chat. 479 00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:10,010 No, thank you and super excited to hear the uptake in this tool. 480 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,610 I think it's a great way and hopefully more companies realize 481 00:25:13,610 --> 00:25:15,470 they shouldn't lock users in so luck. 482 00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:16,520 Yeah. 483 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:17,000 That should hopefully 484 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:17,270 change 485 00:25:17,270 --> 00:25:17,570 things. 486 00:25:17,575 --> 00:25:17,725 Luck. 487 00:25:17,725 --> 00:25:18,470 Good luck with that. 488 00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:19,130 Thanks Brendan. 489 00:25:19,130 --> 00:25:19,970 Thanks for coming on. 490 00:25:20,540 --> 00:25:21,380 Thank you very much. 491 00:25:21,755 --> 00:25:24,695 All right, and thanks to our listeners, we'd be nothing without you. 492 00:25:24,935 --> 00:25:26,195 That is a wrap. 493 00:25:30,269 --> 00:25:34,979 The backup wrap up is written, recorded and produced by me w Curtis Preston. 494 00:25:35,519 --> 00:25:36,989 If you need backup or Dr. 495 00:25:36,989 --> 00:25:40,619 Consulting content generation or expert witness work, 496 00:25:40,919 --> 00:25:42,899 check out backup central.com. 497 00:25:43,619 --> 00:25:46,739 You can also find links from my O'Reilly Books on the same website. 498 00:25:47,399 --> 00:25:51,509 Remember, this is an independent podcast and any opinions that you 499 00:25:51,509 --> 00:25:53,399 hear are those of the speaker. 500 00:25:53,464 --> 00:25:55,324 And not necessarily an employer. 501 00:25:56,224 --> 00:25:56,944 Thanks for listening.