Andrea Rappaport (00:00)

You might not like what you're about to hear today, but you need to hear this. You might be part of the problem. There's more on this episode of How Not to Suck at Divorce.

Morgan L. Stogsdill (00:46)

Are you ready, Andrea? I have something to confess today. I hate everyone today.

Andrea Rappaport (00:51)

I thought this was going to be like late breaking news. That's all you got? Okay. Go girl. mean, hey people, go for it. That's big deal. Big deal. I mean, did you hurt somebody physically?

Morgan L. Stogsdill (00:56)

That's it. That feels very heavy. It feels heavy.

All right. All right.

No, but I want to. You know, like, you know those days where you're just so annoyed with everything and everyone and little things that typically might not annoy you, just like send you overboard. So today I'm on my way to work. As you can see, I've got a blazer on, I've got a dress, I'm ready to go. I'm getting on the train. There are legitimately no seats on the train for passengers, but some dude who looks like he hasn't showered in seven days is loading his enormous bicycle.

onto the train and trying to get it onto the train where there's nowhere to sit. And I'm like, first of all, you shouldn't be, I don't even know if you have a job. Second of all, why do you have a bike at rush hour? And third, you haven't showered. So it just set me off into a mood today.

Andrea Rappaport (01:34)

Not today,

get it. Has bike, does not have shower, taking a train. First of all, ride your bike. Ride your bike. Why are you on the goddamn train? What's your bike broken? You're your bike to a bike shop? I will possibly, maybe not one up you, but meet you where you're at because I hate everybody. I am raging today with

Morgan L. Stogsdill (01:55)

you

Andrea Rappaport (02:10)

hormones and anger and exhaustion. it's landscaping season here in Chicago because the sun has come out and the groundhog is dead or whatever happens on Groundhog's Day. And landscapers are now starting to landscape. I hate them. I know that they're just doing their job. Bravo. Could you blow the leaves a little bit more softly?

I feel like they are mowing lawn inside of my brain, right outside the window of my office. And I want to make them go away. Like I literally was about to open my window and start screaming at them. Like, are you guys serious? Like, are we serious right now? And they would look at me like, what? But I shut the fuck up.

That is how mad I am. These people are literally just doing their job, but it's the sound. And you're trying, you're on a call or you're trying to think I'm wearing my goddamn noise canceling headphones all over the place.

Morgan L. Stogsdill (03:15)

That's what I was going to say. Did you put your headphones on? The one that looked like you're flying a plane.

Andrea Rappaport (03:17)

Of course I

did. Yes, I look like a pilot. I look like a pilot going through menopause who's just trying to navigate her way through life.

Morgan L. Stogsdill (03:27)

That sounds scary.

Andrea Rappaport (03:28)

It is scary, but it's not quite as scary as this episode's gonna be for people because we're hormonal, we're cranky, and we're right. Because half the reason why you are so cranky right now and you are so keyed up, we just did an episode that came out.

earlier this week about ways that you can cope with your anxiety that are unexpected. And one of the reasons why you're this anxious is because of you. It's because you have set yourself up for stuff that is not going to happen in your case. And you are putting yourself on the divorce roller coaster. So stop doing it. And it happens all the time. So I'm going to tell you guys with love, but this is tough love.

You're making your divorce way more stressful than it needs to be because you have unrealistic expectations. You think that your lawyer's not doing enough. You think that the system is broken and you think that everything is falling apart. But most of the time, that's not the case. You just don't know how the divorce process actually works.

Morgan L. Stogsdill (04:36)

It's so true and it's one of the hardest things that we as lawyers deal with because we want to do things right for you. We want to win your case. We want to make you happy. But there's generally a huge disconnect we see between clients and the legal process. And this is the big one, timing. Divorce is super emotional. We know it. But the system itself is procedural and it's a real pain in the ass. OK, and it moves at a certain pace.

Your lawyer moves at a certain pace and there are rules that govern what's realistic and what isn't. So when expectations in a case don't match the reality of the process or timing, it creates a lot of unnecessary stress and frustration.

Andrea Rappaport (05:20)

And this is a tough spot for you to be in. I get it. And it's a tough spot for us too, because recently we brought you an episode that was very popular where people were saying, yeah, you're right. My attorney's not communicating with me in an effective way. Maybe I do need to switch attorneys. This sucks. They're not doing this. They're not doing that. And all of that is valid. But on the other hand,

You cannot send your attorney an email at 9 a.m. and then tick tock, tick tock, tick tock, look at your phone and by 9 30 they haven't responded. And so you want to go and get a consultation with a different attorney. Girl, chill the fuck out. I get it. I know that you are overwhelmed, but you gotta take a minute. You gotta take a breath here.

Morgan L. Stogsdill (06:05)

I can't.

I want to tell you what's reasonable from a divorce lawyer standpoint because, I'm not, this episode isn't, poor divorce lawyers, because I know that it's, you know, everyone going through the divorce is so emotional. So this is not to be that kind of an episode, but I want to be realistic about what divorce lawyers days look like. And to dovetail to what you just said, Andrea, which is you email and you're like, I need a call immediately. If you're a lawyer, your lawyer should be so busy. If your lawyer is a good lawyer.

they should be jam-packed for the day. So if you're demanding a call the same day out of the blue and your lawyer can accommodate it, you've just won the lottery. Because the realistic expectation is that you have to, if it's not an emergency, you have to set a call. So your lawyer is going to jump through hoops and this has been happening so much more lately and I don't know what's in the air and maybe that's why I hate people too. But that's why we're doing this episode because people's clients

unrealistic expectations with what their lawyers can and can't do are really setting them up for failure and it shouldn't be like that.

Andrea Rappaport (07:16)

So why don't we go over what's an emergency? Because I think we have different ideas out there from people who are like, well, this is an emergency. It might feel like an emergency to you, but unless there has to be an emergency motion filed in court, something literally has to happen that day, then it's likely not an emergency.

Morgan L. Stogsdill (07:41)

or it can, I agree with or it can just be an email. And if your lawyer determines that it is an emergency, then they will do whatever they can to get you on the phone that day, get more details, maybe have an associate call you a paralegal, whoever, but it's up to them to determine. What's really hard for lawyers is when we get the email being like, hey, X, Y, and Z has happened today. Can you get on a call with me? I need to speak with you today. Those are really hard because if you think about a divorce lawyer's days,

Most of my days, I'm so jam-packed that most of the time I'm either eating lunch at my desk or I can't even breathe in order to get another meeting in because you have court, you have meetings, you have phone calls, you have meetings internally trying to figure out what strategy is on a case, making sure paralegals are doing the work that needs to be done, managing the teams. And then all of sudden, you have people that need to get in because there might be an emergency. So...

Lawyers days, and one thing I think I want to say that people forget, I think people think that lawyers is plug and play because we're in the world of AI. Everything, if I say I want these changes, it should be done within five minutes. You're paying your lawyer for their brain power. It's not plug and play. Yes, there are documents that we have that we might use for certain ⁓ things in your case, but every case is different. So we might be saying, okay,

On the Smith case, I did this, and I really like that for Andrea's case. But this part of the Smith case doesn't work. So I need to think about the case of the, I don't know, John, the John case. I gotta go to the John case and think about that. You have to let your lawyer use their brain power to get you the best results. And so unrealistic expectations is setting timing that just can't happen, or the lawyer's cutting corners to get you the timing that just doesn't make sense.

Andrea Rappaport (09:31)

And the reason why we're bringing this up is not because we just want to yell at everybody and tell you all that, you know, you're stupid. It's that you are causing yourself more stress and anxiety by expecting someone to get back to you immediately. And that's what we do not want you to go through. We don't want you to be this overwhelmed and this worked up. And we see it all over our private community. There are times where things are in emergency. I'm not taking

that away from anybody. more often than not, it's an emergency in your world, in your mind, because the stakes feel so high. And we've got to bring down that temperature a bit, because you are going to expect something in response from your attorney. And when you don't get that, you go through the roof.

Morgan L. Stogsdill (10:20)

I think it's normal to expect if you're paying good money and you're at a high end attorney's office, it's normal to expect that your email will be responded to within 24 hours, sometimes up to 48 if the lawyer is in court, if it's not an emergency. I'm putting that off to the side. That's totally different. So that's totally normal. If it's something that you want to talk with your lawyer about, you should ask to set a call. Not that same day unless it's an emergency issue.

But there's a different reason besides the calendar of a lawyer, And this is really important to understand. When you set a call in advance on a lawyer's schedule, they do the work to be prepared for that call. If you are demanding a call that same day because you've got some issue that's really driving you crazy, they might be able to accommodate you, but the likelihood is they're unable to go through your documents

look at your agreements and be completely prepared because they are back to back to back and they're squeezing you in. So if it's something that really matters, I want you to get on their calendar so that they're prepared in the best way possible.

Andrea Rappaport (11:25)

And I want you to think between the lines right now. If an attorney doesn't have the time to prepare for your phone call, you're still paying for that phone call. They're still charging you. That's still billable time. So you could be getting on a 20-minute phone call that you're still paying for. That's really not going to be as effective as paying for a call where maybe it's even shorter.

because you're prepared. And yes, you're going to pay for the billable hours that your attorney took to prepare for that call, but you're going to pay for that anyway at some point. help your attorney help you. Something else that I think is important to know is that if you're noticing that every time you send your attorney an email that you feel like it's urgent,

That's probably you. That is probably your anxiety. That's probably your stress talking, and that's not the reality. And I think that that's an important thing that you can have some awareness and look at this and say, wait a minute. Lately, I am feeling like every single encounter with my soon-to-be ex is a level nine situation. And I'm...

flipping out over every email she's sending me or every text he's sending me. Maybe it's not the reality. So I want you to think before you react.

Morgan L. Stogsdill (12:50)

if you're constantly thinking the law is against me, the law is against me and I'm losing everything in my divorce case, you should have a realistic conversation with your lawyer to say, is it me?

Are my expectations unrealistic? Because it shouldn't be like that.

And but the law is the law. We have to work within the confines of the law. So, for instance, I'm going to give an example. Had a client, let's just call her Brenda, because we always talk about our fake couple, Chad and Brenda.

Brenda is having a really difficult time with Chad, who isn't the best co-parent. He's a difficult co-parent. He doesn't make the best decisions. But Brenda is super A type. Brenda needs to take a load off, right? So you've got these two people who are trying to co-parent and they both have deficiencies.

But Brenda is convinced that nothing is going her way. The court is against her, et cetera. The problem with Brenda is that she's never asked, is it me? Because if she asked that question, and we have to kind of tap dance around it, we would be able to say to her, hey, I think your expectations are a little bit off base. And your behavior is really causing a lot of these problems.

Andrea Rappaport (14:12)

Which, mean, nobody wants to ask that, right? Like what Brenda out there is going to want to say, hey, am I the problem? But you know, sometimes, I don't know, you need to ask. You need to know because you're just costing yourself more money. Speaking of money, here's another way that you're fucking things up for yourself. You've got the unrealistic expectation.

of the Range Rover of divorces when you're on a Honda budget. Let that sink in. Be mad at me. That's fine. I can take it. Not everybody drives a Range Rover because not everybody can afford a Range Rover. If you're rolling around town in a Honda Civic, then, and I mean like metaphorically, not actually what you drive, then that's where you're at.

don't have these expectations for all of the bells and whistles, the biggest bell that everybody wants, that most people do not need and cannot afford is, drum roll please,

a forensic accountant. Every single person thinks and wants a forensic accountant.

Morgan L. Stogsdill (15:25)

I know because I think that people hope and wish and pray that there's this pot of gold in those cases. And I hope and wish and pray that for you too. But the reality is agreed with you, Andrea, if you're rolling around in a Honda, you're having trouble paying your bills, you might not even be able to pay your attorney's bill. Then the reality of this pot of gold with hiring a forensic accountant, you've got to ask yourself and your lawyer, is the juice worth the squeeze?

If I find the money, is it going to produce anything? And are there some steps that we can take before then? And reminder to all the listeners out there that we did an episode that is absolutely fantastic with an awesome forensic accounting expert probably a few months ago. Go back, find it. If this is you, it was fabulous.

Andrea Rappaport (16:12)

But you just said if you find the pot of gold, you might not find it. There might not be a pot of gold. There might be nothing.

Morgan L. Stogsdill (16:19)

Most

of the time, there is no pot of gold, If you don't have money in your bank account, and you haven't had money in your bank account, and you don't have a huge house that you're rolling in, the likelihood of the pot of gold is probably unlikely unless somebody is doing something so shady, but then there's even ramifications there. So that's the point is like, as a divorce lawyer, if I'm seeing that, and those are the fact patterns that I'm dealing with,

I usually don't find the particle.

Andrea Rappaport (16:45)

There are very few cases where the forensic accountant is worth it. Because even if somebody is hiding money, by the time you've paid the forensic accountant, and by the time you've paid the legal fees, and by the time you come to the answer of how much money was hidden and how much money has been spent, if the money's been spent, then that money's gone.

It's really hard to make money appear if it's already been spent. Most of the time, it's not worth it. We are talking about exceptional cases with an exceptional amount of money and an exceptional amount of money missing. That makes you a candidate for a forensic accountant. And here's the big clue here. Ding, ding, ding. Your attorney will tell you.

your attorney is going to lead the charge. If your attorney says to you, Chad, we need to hire a forensic accountant, then by all means, Chad, you're going to hire a forensic accountant. And guess what? Your attorney is not going to say, hey, Chad, here are the yellow pages. Go find the best forensic accountant that you can find.

going to tell you who to hire. They're going to say, are three people I really like working with. Set up calls or here's who I suggest, blah, blah, blah. This is not a phishing expedition. You're not just going to decide one day, I think that Brenda is hiding money under the mattress. I'm going to go hire a forensic accountant. look, I found one on Instagram. I'm going to hire them.

And I'm gonna get all this money out from under my mattress and I'll show you, Brenda, it don't work that way.

Morgan L. Stogsdill (18:29)

that's what we're saying here. What's the takeaway for this episode? Divorce strategy should always include a cost benefit analysis. It's, the juice worth the squeeze? What is your lawyer saying that you need? And do we really think there might be a pot of gold there? Because we don't want to lead you down a path where we spend all this money to get you less money. That's what we don't want to do.

Andrea Rappaport (18:50)

And even just the little mini roller coaster that you might go on where you think even for a night, even for a night, it's 10 o'clock at night, you're getting nervous about money and you think to yourself, wait a minute, I saw a TikTok on forensic accounting. I think that's what I need. And then you decide at 10.35 at night that you want to hire a forensic accountant.

And then the next morning at 9 a.m. you fire off an email to your attorney saying, think that I need a forensic accountant. And then all day that Thursday, you are parading around town thinking, I'm going to get myself a forensic accountant. And then the next day, because this is not an emergency, the next day when your attorney emails you back and says, no, we're not going to hire a forensic accountant. Boom, down you go. You did that to yourself.

Don't do that. Don't get on your Huffy bike or on your Honda Civic or on the goddamn bike that Morgan shared a ride into the city with today. Then think that you need something that you really don't need. You are setting yourself up for disappointment.

Most divorces don't have the forensic accountant, the mediation coach who just holds your hand before mediation and hypes you up and dries off your sweat and hands you a bottle of water. These are all things that some people pay for, but it's not the norm. And don't think that you fall into that category, another category that you're not going to fall into.

most of the time, so I don't want you to go there, is Chad is an asshole. Chad is a terrible dad. And guess what? Chad is not going to get any parenting time because I am going to convince the court that he does not deserve it. If Chad wants parenting time, unless Chad is on meth,

Chad's likely gonna get parenting time.

Morgan L. Stogsdill (20:51)

Yeah, and these are hard realities if you're not prepared when you're talking to your lawyer about it. The other thing that I see too, another example from a case I had a long time ago, we I had Brenda in this case and Brenda came to me and said, OK, I want Chad to have parenting time. But if we can't make a decision together, I want all the decisions to default to me. And I said, well, you realize that you're asking for full custody. That's what you're asking for when you get all the.

final decisions on every major thing in your child's life, you realize that that is a very big uphill battle, at least where I practice. And she was totally taken aback. She just thought that that was how it was going to be. And I had to really kind of bring her into the fold that courts believe it's in the children's best interest to have relationships with both parents and both parents having say so on the children's lives that they both created. So unless there's some huge

substantial issue with abuse, neglect, safety concerns, those kind of things, which if there are, we will address it. We'll do it head on. Most of the time, both parents are going to be involved seeing the children and making decisions.

Andrea Rappaport (21:59)

Well, and I'll chime in and say it's totally stupid and it sucks. I hate having to make decisions with somebody who's not able to make good decisions. It sucks and it shouldn't be that way, but it doesn't mean that you're going to change the law. It is really hard in most states to have full custodial custody. Again, you have really got to be able to prove that this person is completely

inept and cannot make good decisions for the kids. And usually that takes time to prove. So when you first get divorced, you are likely not going to have enough evidence to prove that. So again, I'm not telling you that you are wrong for wanting this. I want it. I want it for you too. I also think that Brenda sucks. I think that Chad's a total loser.

I don't think that you should have to work with them, but I don't want you to get on this roller coaster and think you're going to get something that you're not going to get. And why? Because I did it. And going on that roller coaster gives you so much unnecessary stress and anxiety, and it makes it more expensive. And so I would rather you hear it from me now. I would rather you hear it and think, God damn it, Andrea, that really pisses me off.

Now I don't like you as much as I once liked you, because you're telling me things that I don't want to hear. Okay, don't like me. Get in line. But at least you know.

Morgan L. Stogsdill (23:28)

Let's talk about another thing that really kind of sets you up for failure. It's unrealistic timelines. And usually it's you that's creating the unrealistic timeline. So I'm going to give you a few examples of what I'm talking about. Let's just say we're working on a prenup and they are getting married in six months and they come to you and they say, well, I want the prenup draft within one month.

I usually say, well, I can't deliver on that because I know the timeline. And so what I want you to do is you can have goals of when things will finish, but you have to work with your lawyer on realistic timelines. I will tell you another thing that you have to be wary of. So let's just say there's a settlement agreement going back and forth and you get on the call with your lawyer, you schedule the time.

And you say, these are the things that I want changed. These are the things I don't really love. Your lawyer and you work together and think creatively to figure out exactly what needs to happen. And the lawyer says, no problem. I'll make the changes. And the client says, well, I'd like it by the end of the day. You are absolutely asking for something that the lawyer generally can't deliver because they have, again, a full day of things that they have to do. And the second thing is you don't want that. You want the lawyer

to go use their brain, think through how they're revising the document. Again, this is not AI land in divorce law, at least not yet. We use it at times, but not for this stuff. Drafting takes a lot of time out of a lawyer's day, and it's not simple. It's not like we're changing him to her. We're actually making substantive changes on a document. So it is not unusual that it would take a few days, maybe a week, maybe two weeks, something to get it back to you.

Andrea Rappaport (25:10)

Not to mention, it doesn't mean that these changes that you just paid for your attorney to make for you are going to be agreed upon. They're going to make these settlement changes, send it over to the other side, and the other side could say, go fuck yourself. We're not agreeing to that. So you can't think, you don't have that expectation that just because you decide that you want something shifted and your attorney decides, yep, you're right, Morgan, I do think that we should do that.

That sounds good. Let's do it. It might not even happen because you don't have control over everything. There are some things that you have control over. There are a lot of things that you don't. And if you are at all like me and you like the feeling of having control, then there are certain things that you can apply to your case that will give you more control. We talked about

custody and the kids a moment ago. Well, if you're really worked up about the kids or about how somebody is not going to be a good co-parent or you're worried that somebody's not going to pay you on time for child-related expenses, that's where you want to use a co-parenting app. That's where you do want to add something to your case and it's not adding

a person that's going to wipe the sweat from your dripping forehead and it's not a forensic accountant, it's a freaking co-parenting app. And it's not that expensive. And Our Family Wizard is the gold standard here. Add that. That is something that most people think they don't need that they actually do need because the court loves Our Family Wizard. They respect it.

And if you are trying to collect evidence to show this situation with how we've got things 50-50 isn't working, the app is going to show it. The court does not want to see screenshots of your text messages. They don't like that. Text messages can be messed with. AI, going back to AI, has so many ways of changing what text messages look like these days. Don't use that.

use the co-parenting app. And even if your objective is not to change your co-parenting situation, you just want to feel like you have control. We've talked about this so many times. Using apps and using ways to organize your calendars, using anything that will help you feel like you are in control, not demanding things from your attorney.

Morgan L. Stogsdill (27:43)

I know. So, okay, because I've been a little negative because the guy with the bike really set me off today, I'm going to switch up this podcast and I'm going to talk about now what makes divorce easier. And it's really two words in my

It's mindset shift. One of the most helpful things clients can do is really shift their focus to the parts of the process that they can actually control. It's the same thing with life. Can you control it? Right? So what can you control?

You can control preparation. You can control your communication with your lawyer and also your ex. And you can control strategy. I want to talk about some things you can't control always. You can't control how fast you're going to get things from your lawyer. You can't control your lawyer's schedule. You can't control what the court is going to do. And you certainly can't control your ex.

Andrea Rappaport (29:07)

It reminds me of, parenting. What do we always tell our kids? Well, we can't control that somebody was mean to you on the playground, but we can control how you respond. This is a life lesson. We are in control of how we respond to the shit that's going around us that we cannot control. The hardest part about divorce is that most of it is out of your control.

Morgan L. Stogsdill (29:30)

Yep, that's so true.

Andrea Rappaport (29:31)

That's the hardest

You might not even have control over the fact that you're getting a divorce, right? And then you were thrown on this roller coaster that you didn't even want to get on. You didn't even buy a ticket for the ride. Your spouse decided they wanted this. And now you're like, what? They decided they wanted a divorce. Now I've got to pay all of this money, go through all this stuff. I'm hemorrhaging.

And now you two are telling me that I can't control stuff. I know, but it's the truth. And the sooner that you can just say, okay, then I surrender. Then this is what I can control. This is what I can't. Again, it's what Morgan just said. It's that mindset shift. Yes, or somebody. Jesus, or whoever you pray to. A house plant. I don't care what it is, but...

Morgan L. Stogsdill (30:11)

Jesus, take the wheel.

Or...

Andrea Rappaport (30:21)

Someone, somebody give it up, give it up, give it up to somebody else because you're going to drive yourself nuts. There are so many things that you can do, but there are so many things that you can't.

Morgan L. Stogsdill (30:29)

and we'll.

So how do we do it? Right? How do we do that? I'm going to tell you that understanding the process generally and being prepared. I always talk about this preparation preparation. If you understand the process, you are going to feel that you have clear

expectations and you have less unnecessary frustration. It's generally when you don't understand the process, the timing, etc. that you get really frustrated and for good reason.

Andrea Rappaport (31:02)

I'm going to give you a sentence that I want you to use in your communication with your attorney. Help me understand the realistic expectations. Help me understand. Not, what are the realistic expectations? Help me understand. By using, first of all, the word help grabs attention because it's a need word. Help me understand.

That is something that sounds not accusatory. That's something that is very clear. You don't understand something, and you are asking your attorney to explain it to you. Help me understand the realistic expectation. Is my expectation realistic, or am I setting myself up for disappointment? Your attorney will love you for that.

And if your attorney loves you, they're going to work harder for you because attorneys are human.

Morgan L. Stogsdill (31:55)

I swear

we are one Andrea, because I was just thinking that I've had so many client calls today already. And there are some that I love because they're kind and they ask those questions and we're on the same page. And then the ones that I don't are the ones that are demanding. I want this by the end of the day. Where is this document? Those kinds of things. And I'm like, you know what? Those are the ones where I'm just like, I just want to.

I'm going to get rid of you as a client. Whereas the other ones that are kind, I will work so much harder for because they are lovely and they understand where we're going. Now, before we end this podcast, I want to say that I want to take some responsibility or the majority because I do think it's your lawyer's job to set the expectations with you. But it is also your job to ask for those expectations to be set. So your lawyer should be running the show.

Your lawyer should be talking to you about strategy, et cetera, but you should be asking exactly what Andrea said.

Andrea Rappaport (32:53)

You guys, this is not your fault. It's not your fault that you're in this place. It's our job. That's why we do this podcast, to help you and to guide you, just like how it's your attorney's job to guide you. And that means that sometimes we're going to have to bring you episodes where we're a little bit more direct and harder, because you need to hear this. You already know that divorce is hard. You know that this process sucks. I don't want you to make it harder.

by expecting the legal system and your attorneys to operate like Amazon Prime.

Morgan L. Stogsdill (33:24)

we're not Amazon Prime. I wish we were. I wish we were more automated, although I worry about automation because if you do that, you're going to lose the personal touch. So you want that personal touch. And don't forget that you want that personal touch on your documents, on your phone calls, things like that. So don't pretend that your lawyer is a robot. They're not. And if you know that, I think that it's going to make it easier for you overall, because divorce is a marathon.

It is not a sprint. Every day is not a good day in this process. Sometimes it's day by day, other times it's hour by hour, and that is okay. Listen, if you want more community, we have it for you. Go on Facebook, join our private community. It's totally confidential. Go online, get our DCC DM us, we're on every platform there is, and just follow along. We are here for you.

Andrea Rappaport (34:13)

Post questions in the private community. If you need a particular topic covered, ask in the private community, have you guys seen an episode on this? Do a search in our library. We have playlists on our website. We are doing all that we can to help you have realistic expectations in what can feel like a really unrealistic process. Remember, you're going to feel like you cannot do this on certain days, but you are doing it. You can do this.

You've got this.

Morgan L. Stogsdill (34:42)

And we, my friends, have got you.