Wisconsin, a paranormal paradise with lake
Speaker:monsters, dogmen haunted hotels, famous ghosts, and
Speaker:deadly killers. It's a lot more than just America's
Speaker:dairyland. It's time for a deep dive into the weird,
Speaker:wonderful and terrifying that's lying just below the surface of
Speaker:reality. From American ghostwalks and Badgerland
Speaker:Legends. This is the Wisconsin Legends
Speaker:podcast.
Speaker:Welcome to the Wisconsin Legends Podcast, live from Milwaukee,
Speaker:paracon 2023 to prove to the people
Speaker:who are listening later that we are in front of a live audience. Can I
Speaker:hear everybody give a clap and a woo.
Speaker:Okay, I'm feeling the love. Mike, we totally
Speaker:didn't edit that in post. All right. Coming up
Speaker:with Jeff Finnab pageantland legends. And we are
Speaker:joined today by my sister and Milwaukee
Speaker:hauntings, I'm going to say expert, even though it's hard to say anybody in the
Speaker:paranormal is an expert because we're dealing with the unknown. But you're the closest thing
Speaker:we have to it in Milwaukee. Well, I like to call myself the
Speaker:Milwaukee's Fordian Historian, because,
Speaker:as Mike said, a lot of the paranormal is very speculative.
Speaker:But when you look at the documents, you'll find that
Speaker:there are a lot of amazing stories that were recorded. And
Speaker:that's what we're going to talk to you about today. Some stories of incursions
Speaker:by what really looks like demonic forces in the Milwaukee
Speaker:area. They're all vetted stories. They're not just in the
Speaker:newspapers, but these people did exist and you can find
Speaker:them in census records. And these were real
Speaker:people. So I'm not trying to make light of this. And some of these
Speaker:stories are very scary, and I'll try to keep it kid
Speaker:friendly, but there is murder involved. Just be warned. Just be
Speaker:warned. Okay. And so also for the recording, your name is
Speaker:Allison Jordlin. Yes. My name is Allison Jordan. I didn't say
Speaker:that. Allison Jordlin from American Ghostwalk. Okay, perfect.
Speaker:All right, well, let's get started with talking about tales of the
Speaker:devil in Milwaukee. So how many of my ex girlfriends are you talking about today,
Speaker:Allison? Oh, so many. Hey. All right. And here is
Speaker:your litany of terror, otherwise known as a table of
Speaker:contents. The itinerary of terror. Yes, that's
Speaker:right. This is a list of the
Speaker:cases we're going to talk about today. So we start
Speaker:chronologically with 1854 and a convent
Speaker:infestation that occurred in Milwaukee's.
Speaker:Motherhouse. And then number
Speaker:two is there's a strange death that occurred
Speaker:in 1920 to a little nine year old boy
Speaker:called Raymond Nats. And it's very frightening. I would
Speaker:say it's probably the most scary story that I've ever
Speaker:found. And he was real and his family members
Speaker:were real. Number three is Milwaukee
Speaker:exorcisms. We had our own exorcist in
Speaker:Wisconsin that was ordained here right at St.
Speaker:Francis Seminary. And
Speaker:he's been involved in high profile exorcism that you may
Speaker:have heard of, the 1928 Earling Iowa case.
Speaker:But he was from Wisconsin, and
Speaker:possibly the possessed woman was from
Speaker:Milwaukee, although I'll talk about some problems with that
Speaker:assertion, but they don't talk about
Speaker:what happened in 1926. She was
Speaker:exercised here first in Milwaukee at
Speaker:your house. Then we're going to talk
Speaker:about some conclusions and maybe take your questions and
Speaker:stories or comments. All right,
Speaker:the convent infestation. So anybody out there
Speaker:remember that we had a motherhouse here in
Speaker:Milwaukee? It was on Milwaukee
Speaker:Street. And it's right where the Convent
Speaker:Hill Apartments are located today. The
Speaker:building is much smaller than you'll see. The convent. Was it's
Speaker:called Convent Hill? It's called Convent Hill Apartments for
Speaker:a reason. And the bells from the old convent
Speaker:are in the back of the building, so you can still go visit those and
Speaker:they still work very loud. But that's right on
Speaker:Milwaukee Street and Ogden. Now, the Mother
Speaker:Superior called mother Caroline. Was Caroline Freis?
Speaker:And she's significant because this was
Speaker:the first American convent of
Speaker:the odor of Notre Dame. So maybe
Speaker:or Notre Dame, as we sometimes say in the States.
Speaker:But you might be more familiar with all these Notre Dame
Speaker:schools all over the country. Well, this is
Speaker:where they came from, from this woman who came to
Speaker:establish the order in the United States
Speaker:and also to establish these schools.
Speaker:I think that's 500 some schools across the country.
Speaker:But the headquarters was right here in Milwaukee. So that's
Speaker:Caroline Fryce, and better known
Speaker:as Mother Caroline. Well, Mother Caroline came
Speaker:over in the 1850s. And
Speaker:while we think of Milwaukee now as a
Speaker:very, I would say Catholic
Speaker:friendly city when it was first established,
Speaker:they were facing a lot of anti Catholic
Speaker:sentiment in the city at the time. In fact,
Speaker:some of the German population that had come over were part
Speaker:of this German revolution of the late 1840s.
Speaker:And they hated Catholics in particular. Yes. And it was a
Speaker:movement, and they were called the Know Nothings. And I think
Speaker:something that they did might have led to the
Speaker:demonic infestation. Yeah, so the German
Speaker:48 ers were what they were called, and they weren't
Speaker:minors or anything like that. They were people that hated Catholics
Speaker:and were in an Irish place. So I guess it's supposed to be
Speaker:fairly Catholic friendly. But in 1854, it
Speaker:was not quite so friendly to nuns. Yeah, they
Speaker:couldn't go out on the street. People would members of the Know Nothing
Speaker:party would throw stones at them and actually
Speaker:broke windows at the beautiful
Speaker:Motherhouse, which, as you can see, was quite
Speaker:large. There's the original building, but then it became
Speaker:a whole city block. There's
Speaker:a better depiction of it where you can see it's almost like
Speaker:a citadel. And there's many buildings
Speaker:where the nuns were housed.
Speaker:And all the women that were thinking of becoming nuns
Speaker:called the novices or postulates. That's my
Speaker:favorite nun word. That's right. So I'm
Speaker:glad that Mike mentioned the no Nothings, because not only
Speaker:were they protesting outside the
Speaker:convent throwing stones when the
Speaker:nuns dared to leave and physically accosting
Speaker:them or drawing negative signs on their
Speaker:back with chalk when they could. There was also a
Speaker:procession that they led through the streets
Speaker:to the nunnery, and they were all
Speaker:dressed in black cloaks and they had a goat with them,
Speaker:never a good sign. And they also
Speaker:had a book that they had made up to
Speaker:look like the black book of the devil.
Speaker:And they did a ceremony
Speaker:out in front of the nunnery
Speaker:and soon after is when all the
Speaker:disturbances started. So I think there might be a connection there that
Speaker:they were cursed. Malediction, it's called. You're going to hear that word a lot today,
Speaker:probably. And that's interesting too, because they're performing.
Speaker:They bring out the goat as you do when you're doing some
Speaker:devil. You know, we think of these were the no
Speaker:nothings devil worshippers. No, in fact, they were atheists.
Speaker:So they're more like, if you think of that, the Satanic temple
Speaker:today, the people that put up that like the statue of Ball in the
Speaker:Oklahoma courthouse and everything. So it's the idea that
Speaker:they're not particularly like they don't really think the devil's
Speaker:going to show up when they do these things. They're doing it to show
Speaker:that they hate the nuns. And it's like the Freedom from Religion
Speaker:Foundation, which is based in Madison. It's their idea, like, hey, we're not
Speaker:interested in getting the religion here. So I don't think the no
Speaker:Nothings were particularly satanic or this idea that they really thought the devil would
Speaker:come. They're doing something symbolic, right. But that doesn't mean
Speaker:it still couldn't call in dark forces. Right.
Speaker:So I've got a little timeline. It began
Speaker:rather innocuously. It's
Speaker:hard to say when a bunch of
Speaker:novices were in their dorms and started
Speaker:recognizing all this strange activity.
Speaker:They couldn't get any of the candles to light that night on
Speaker:December eigth, 1854. And so they
Speaker:called for Mother Caroline, and
Speaker:she took a very rational approach. These were young
Speaker:girls thinking of becoming nuns. And she
Speaker:thought, like many people at the time, they were prone to
Speaker:hysteria and flights of imagination.
Speaker:But when she entered, she saw that she
Speaker:couldn't get any of the candles to light either.
Speaker:And they were able to get some light in there
Speaker:from the windows because it's moonlit night. And they saw
Speaker:that there were all these night caps
Speaker:that the sisters wore and they were lined
Speaker:up on a table and they started
Speaker:to dance, which is not very scary in
Speaker:my Disney movie or whatever. Yeah, it's like
Speaker:Beauty and the Beast, the Magician's Apprentice, where you see the broom start to
Speaker:dance. Well, she said that she observed these
Speaker:nightcaps dancing around and that
Speaker:caused a lot of fear in everyone
Speaker:involved. And also not being
Speaker:able to shed significant light on the situation
Speaker:made them very worried. So from
Speaker:then on, over a period of 13 months,
Speaker:the activity only got worse.
Speaker:And they witnessed all kinds of extraordinary
Speaker:things and also
Speaker:abuse. Not only were the nuns complaining
Speaker:of being physically assaulted by unseen
Speaker:hands, one of the postulates
Speaker:said that her ears were boxed. She was
Speaker:hit about the ears violently. And their poor
Speaker:dog, I hope he ran away. But
Speaker:he was also a victim of this unseen force. And this is
Speaker:what Carolyn Frice said herself. It was blood curdling the way
Speaker:the poor dog yelped. He was being beaten
Speaker:by something unseen, but she
Speaker:distinctly heard the cracks of a whip. But as usual, I
Speaker:saw nothing. And then she said,
Speaker:the dog disappeared. He just ran away
Speaker:after this attack and was never seen again.
Speaker:So hopefully, he did just get somewhere safe.
Speaker:There's many other alleged
Speaker:paranormal events that took place.
Speaker:So one night in the middle of the night, they had
Speaker:call bells which would there was a
Speaker:room and these bells, you could make them ring, in
Speaker:particular sister's rooms. And so
Speaker:one night, all the call bells rang at
Speaker:once and they wouldn't stop ringing. And
Speaker:so Mother Caroline didn't know what was the matter
Speaker:and was especially concerned because she was the only one with a key
Speaker:to the room where the call bell
Speaker:apparatus was kept. So she ran in there.
Speaker:There's no one there. But she saw that as she
Speaker:approached, some of the bells were still moving.
Speaker:Also, during Mass, there was a candle
Speaker:that was lit on the altar and everyone
Speaker:assembled watched this candle just blink
Speaker:out of existence. And then later, it was found still
Speaker:burning in a closed closet.
Speaker:So in psychical research, we call that an
Speaker:apport. There's also another apport where some
Speaker:nuns were baking bread in the kitchen and they had
Speaker:just put it into the oven and they went
Speaker:back. They'd been working on something else in the kitchen and they just went
Speaker:back to take a look and all the lobes were
Speaker:missing. And they were found later
Speaker:floating around in the cistern. And then shadowy
Speaker:figures were seen in the church after
Speaker:dark. And also howling was heard at night
Speaker:throughout the echoing halls of the very
Speaker:big convent. And as I said before,
Speaker:sisters complained of being battered by unseen hands.
Speaker:These events were eventually resolved. Not in a
Speaker:very nice way, I don't think we'll talk about that in a second. But then
Speaker:after these events, about a year later, after the
Speaker:secession of these events, a choir of
Speaker:angels was heard to
Speaker:be singing in the chapel. So instead of
Speaker:being awakened by these
Speaker:horrible screams and howls in the middle of the
Speaker:night, as they had become accustomed to over those
Speaker:13 months of harassment, they
Speaker:were, one night a year later, awoken
Speaker:by sweet singing of what they assumed was a
Speaker:choir of angels. And they went to the chapel and they saw
Speaker:heavenly light emanating. And
Speaker:from then on until modern
Speaker:times, so this was 1854. This went on till
Speaker:1859. When the convent was raised, mother
Speaker:Caroline actually established a sacrament
Speaker:of perpetual adoration,
Speaker:which means that in the chapel 24/7
Speaker:there were nuns praying. They would take shifts to make
Speaker:sure that the Virgin Mary and other people that
Speaker:are mother religious figures like Jesus and the angels
Speaker:who they felt had now blessed the convent and
Speaker:were protecting them from demonic forces, they would
Speaker:have these sisters come and pray.
Speaker:And they were there 24/7
Speaker:for almost 100 years doing that around the clock.
Speaker:That's called the sacrament of perpetual adoration.
Speaker:Now, speaking of Mary, though, real quick. So one
Speaker:reason that Mother Caroline thought that this demonic
Speaker:infestation was happening, and this
Speaker:goes back to the fact that they felt like they were under attack, not just
Speaker:from the devil, but by the Know Nothings and the
Speaker:other people in Milwaukee who were hostile to them. And this is from the
Speaker:book as a Magnet the Life of Mother Caroline
Speaker:by Sister Mary Thule Zimmerman.
Speaker:So it's a book by a nun. So there's just a little bit of
Speaker:vulgarity. Anyway,
Speaker:so why did Mother Caroline think it happens? The state of affairs began
Speaker:on the date that Pope Pius IX declared the Immaculate
Speaker:Conception a dogma of faith. December 1854.
Speaker:So the idea of the Immaculate Conception is that
Speaker:Mary Jesus's Ma was born without sin.
Speaker:And so that's a very particularly Catholic thing. And it came out
Speaker:December 1854. It seems Mother
Speaker:Carolyn reflected that just at the time, a new outburst of
Speaker:hatred, our lady, manifests itself to the world. The devil
Speaker:emerges with one of the older girls thoroughly disturbed by the
Speaker:strangeness. And so Mother Caroline's talking to one of the girls who's
Speaker:disturbed, and the girl says, it's all so frightening. She said, you
Speaker:never know what's going to happen next. I didn't think the devil was real. I
Speaker:thought he was just a myth or a fairy tale. Mother Caroline
Speaker:looked at the girl calmly, but the attitude expressed made her feel anything
Speaker:but calm. You didn't think he existed.
Speaker:A few days later, she gathered the community together and spoke to them of what
Speaker:was happening. Perhaps the girl who came to her was not the only one who
Speaker:did not understand the reality of the devil.
Speaker:There is no doubt about the origin of these happenings. Mother Caroline told
Speaker:them, and if some of you are still doubtful regarding the existence of the
Speaker:devil, it is time you learned that he exists.
Speaker:So they had an idea why it happened, and then they had an idea who
Speaker:was doing it. And this time it
Speaker:wasn't the Know nothings. This time it was the
Speaker:man downstairs. Okay, so how did
Speaker:they stop all this harassment that they felt was
Speaker:coming from the devil? Well, there was
Speaker:one of the novices that
Speaker:had come to the convent to escape a
Speaker:marriage, so her name was Henrika. And
Speaker:apparently there was a very persistent suitor that wouldn't take
Speaker:no for an answer, but she didn't want to marry him, so she ran away
Speaker:to the convent. Now, the
Speaker:sisters began to believe that through
Speaker:malediction or cursing, that's what had brought
Speaker:the demonic influences into the convent, because
Speaker:he was upset about losing this woman he wanted to
Speaker:marry. Now, they also found
Speaker:that strange pranks like this weird
Speaker:slush that didn't act quite like water, was
Speaker:found that initial night on the pillows
Speaker:of all the novices except for this girl. And
Speaker:then they found that she
Speaker:acted strangely at certain times when approaching
Speaker:religious objects inappropriately laughing
Speaker:or being repelled by them. From that.
Speaker:Sister Caroline was talking to the parish
Speaker:priest and he said he felt that she
Speaker:might be under demonic
Speaker:influence or even possession. When we think of all
Speaker:these hijinks that went on, I think of her more
Speaker:as like a poltergeist agent as we would think of
Speaker:poltergeist today, where they
Speaker:manifest with these strange antics.
Speaker:Anyway, they felt that she was
Speaker:the reason for the activity. So did they give her a
Speaker:sanctuary or an exorcism? Well, they made her go
Speaker:back home. Yeah, they kicked her out. And that
Speaker:guy who wouldn't take no for an answer, he had been lurking by the
Speaker:convent. So as soon as she walked out the door, he
Speaker:scooped her up. But after
Speaker:she left, all the problems ceased.
Speaker:So she was in some way connected, but I feel was an
Speaker:innocent victim of a channel
Speaker:for this activity, but not willingly.
Speaker:And she suffered in an unhappy
Speaker:marriage so that the convent could be freed
Speaker:from this demonic infestation. And it's just sad
Speaker:because I thought you could go to the church for asylum. And
Speaker:I feel like they failed her in this case and they don't even acknowledge it
Speaker:in the works that are written. So if you want to read more about this
Speaker:case as a magnet is the one
Speaker:source from the 60s that Mike mentioned. There's also
Speaker:a longer account in a book called Running
Speaker:Waters by Colon Lukum, and
Speaker:you can find both of those at St. Francis Seminary in their
Speaker:Salzman Library. So, I mean, it's kind of a sad story for the
Speaker:girl. Ended up pretty good for the convent, where they had this
Speaker:sight of perpetual adoration for over 100 years.
Speaker:But in the end, the devil went home and
Speaker:maybe he went back to their house or whatever.
Speaker:So story number two involves a strange death.
Speaker:And we're going to talk about the victim,
Speaker:which was poor little Raymond Nance, who I've
Speaker:talked about before, because this is possibly the scariest story,
Speaker:in my opinion, that I ever found, because it's just a straight
Speaker:newspaper. It's a couple of straight newspaper articles,
Speaker:and it involves little Raymond Nash.
Speaker:Nats. He's nine years old. This is a picture of him from
Speaker:one of the newspaper articles in the local papers. And he seemed
Speaker:like a regular nine year old boy. This was May
Speaker:of 1920 that this happened. And there
Speaker:was an epidemic going through the schools at the time of
Speaker:Measles, and he had just recovered from
Speaker:measles. But on this beautiful May
Speaker:Day, he decided to go fishing. And that
Speaker:would have tragic results. Previous to this day that
Speaker:we're going to talk about, he had been seeing things that only he
Speaker:could see. And this isn't an exact quote from him all
Speaker:the way home, that white shadow crept right along behind me.
Speaker:Something is going to happen. I can feel it. So he
Speaker:felt that his death was
Speaker:imminent and that this creature, whatever
Speaker:it was he described it as a white shadow, had been
Speaker:following him for reasons unknown. Now, here's the
Speaker:Milwaukee Sentinel article which gives the most details.
Speaker:I just gave the headline. It's super long, but it talks
Speaker:about what had happened. Now,
Speaker:as you may have seen on the slide, raymond's
Speaker:parents were estranged, and they were
Speaker:separated and about to go through a
Speaker:divorce. But he had bigger problems because this
Speaker:strange thing was following him. So
Speaker:the scariest night was the night before his
Speaker:death, where his parents noticed him acting
Speaker:strangely. He had first gone to his mother's
Speaker:house, which was in the neighborhood of Lincoln Village.
Speaker:So although, according to census records, the
Speaker:family was German, they were living in a Polish
Speaker:neighborhood. Anyway, he lived right
Speaker:near Fourth or Fifth Street, where that
Speaker:is today. And he
Speaker:went down the street to visit his mom. And she
Speaker:said that all night he just seemed terrified. He
Speaker:wouldn't talk about it, but he was following something around the
Speaker:room and just seemed
Speaker:white, knuckled, frozen in fear. And so, of course, she
Speaker:noticed something was wrong. And he would just sit in the corner
Speaker:and his eyes darted about as if following
Speaker:some imminent threat. And then his father came and picked him
Speaker:up. And for some reason, he maintained a distance
Speaker:between him and his father. And that's when he said, this
Speaker:white shadow is following me. So he was in some way
Speaker:protecting his father, not wanting to be too close,
Speaker:because that white thing would be close to his father as well.
Speaker:And the same thing, when he got home, just sat
Speaker:dejected in the corner looking around at whatever
Speaker:thing this was and wanted to just
Speaker:stay up all night. But of course, his dad had work in the morning.
Speaker:He was a woodworker at a local sawmill. And
Speaker:so he made Raymond go to bed. But in the
Speaker:night, Raymond woke his dad up because he was talking in his
Speaker:sleep and screaming loudly. And
Speaker:then his mother came to his bedside and shook him
Speaker:awake. And he was saying,
Speaker:oh, Daddy, I was in the
Speaker:water with the fishes. And it was so beautiful. But before
Speaker:that, he had been screaming at something and
Speaker:saying to something, that an unseen forest that, you're just
Speaker:fooling me. You can't get me. And
Speaker:then he had this strange attitude about playing with the
Speaker:fishes. So then that morning, Herman
Speaker:Nance had to go back, had to go out to work, and
Speaker:he left Raymond with a neighbor lady.
Speaker:But he slipped away early that morning to go fishing at
Speaker:Lake Michigan. Lake Michigan
Speaker:is about an hour
Speaker:away, walking wise from where he was
Speaker:later found in the lake. So he had to walk
Speaker:for an hour, and then,
Speaker:sadly, he disappeared and they had to drag the
Speaker:lake, and he wasn't found
Speaker:until that Friday afternoon. So
Speaker:it was Wednesday, the evening of Wednesday that
Speaker:we were talking about. And then
Speaker:after midnight is when he awakened his
Speaker:father. And then the
Speaker:drowning happened around
Speaker:845, because little Raymond had a pocket watch.
Speaker:So although when he got to the lake, it looks like he just
Speaker:dropped his pole, his fishing rod,
Speaker:and his hat, his cap on the ground, he still had
Speaker:his pocket watch. So from the time the
Speaker:police only came to one conclusion, that Raymond hadn't
Speaker:intended to go fishing at all, he'd walked for an
Speaker:hour and then kept walking straight into
Speaker:Lake Michigan until the water was over his head
Speaker:and he could walk no more. Now, what nine year
Speaker:old is capable that kind of
Speaker:behavior? So when we talk
Speaker:about the activity here, yeah, we
Speaker:don't have multiple witnesses seeing the
Speaker:shadow. Only Raymond sees that. And
Speaker:only Raymond is aware of this harassment. But he's got
Speaker:this incredible sense of foreboding. Perhaps he was
Speaker:foretelling his own death. And it's just
Speaker:shocking, though, to think of just think of you
Speaker:as an adult. Could you walk into the water? I mean, they often show that
Speaker:on TV and movies where somebody just walks
Speaker:into the water and they just keep walking. But could a nine year
Speaker:old do that? And why would he do that? And Lake
Speaker:Michigan's cold. Let's be real. Nobody just jumps
Speaker:in, like, especially in May. But that's why he wasn't in school, because of this
Speaker:measle epidemic. It had closed down schools. He was
Speaker:just recovering from it himself. But this was
Speaker:me in the middle of the week, and he was out
Speaker:there because nobody was in school to
Speaker:quell that epidemic. Now, I see several different
Speaker:connections for different things.
Speaker:What happened to Raymond, to mother. Paranormal
Speaker:activity number one is the
Speaker:nokniche, which is the Polish night.
Speaker:Hag. So you guys ever had a sleep
Speaker:paralysis? Can I get a round of applause? If anybody's ever had sleep
Speaker:paralysis, I. Don'T want to cheer for that. I've had it.
Speaker:Terrifying. Sleep paralysis is terrible, and
Speaker:especially when you're in the hypnagogic state, which is as you're
Speaker:falling asleep, sometimes you see things, or if you ever have the
Speaker:experience where that falling
Speaker:or that kind of trip or whatever, then you wake yourself up.
Speaker:It's a physical experience. It's happening to you.
Speaker:Or you wake up and you feel that someone's sitting on your chest and
Speaker:you can't move. That's the night hag, and every
Speaker:culture seems to have it. The Slavic culture, which would have
Speaker:been Lincoln village of the nocnitsa, is from the Wikipedia
Speaker:article. In Russian and Slavic folklore,
Speaker:nocnitsa is known to torment children at night, and a
Speaker:stone with a hole in the center is said to be the protection. Mothers
Speaker:in some regions will place a knife in their children's cradles
Speaker:or draw a circle around the cradles with a knife for protection. This
Speaker:is possibly based on the belief that supernatural beings cannot
Speaker:touch iron. Nocnitsa is known to sit on one's chest
Speaker:drawing life energy. Because of this, many refer to the
Speaker:nocnitsa as a type of vampire. They will often continue
Speaker:visiting, and according to some folklore night hags visit while
Speaker:one sleeps on one's back with the hands on the chest, a
Speaker:position allegedly called sleeping with the dead.
Speaker:Accordingly to some folklore, night hags are made of
Speaker:shadow, just like what Raymond saw. She might also have a
Speaker:horrible screeching voice, just like my ex
Speaker:girlfriends. She might allegedly also
Speaker:smell of moss and dirt from her forest of origin.
Speaker:So these are obviously villages we're talking about. Like your ex girlfriend,
Speaker:right? They smell bad. No. Okay.
Speaker:This idea of the night hag, though, he's talking to something, and he says, you
Speaker:can't get me, you just fool, and you can't get me, until eventually
Speaker:he kind of accepts what's going to happen to him. We all talk
Speaker:about if you think about nightmare on Elm Street or think
Speaker:about the movie dreamscape. Remember that classic? Oh, yeah. It's the
Speaker:idea though. In those movies, they say if you die in your sleep, you die
Speaker:in real life, right? And everybody's like, nah, that's not true.
Speaker:What if it was sudden unexplained
Speaker:nocturnal death syndrome? We got an
Speaker:article here talking about
Speaker:from the 2018 journal of the American
Speaker:Heart association. It's called Lie Thai. In
Speaker:Thailand, the word lie in leotian means a loud
Speaker:groan occurring during sleep or a loud noise made while frightened.
Speaker:And thai is a Thai word meaning death.
Speaker:It's called bangagut in the Philippines, and that's
Speaker:a tagalog word meaning to rise and moan in your sleep.
Speaker:Bakuri death syndrome. In Japan, Bakuri means suddenly and
Speaker:unexpectedly. This is a Los Angeles times article from July
Speaker:10, 1981. Night deaths of Asian men.
Speaker:Unexplained Tokyo. Each year, hundreds of apparently
Speaker:healthy young Japanese die suddenly in their sleep, sometimes with
Speaker:a gasp or a shout, and doctors do not know why.
Speaker:Reports of similar deaths in the Philippines and among indochinese refugees
Speaker:in the United States have given rise to speculation by medical experts
Speaker:that the disease might be common to ethnic groups throughout Asia. Okay?
Speaker:Obviously not. Raymond nantz. It's not a matter of the heart being good or bad,
Speaker:said Dr. Michio Inui of the Tokyo Metropolitan Medical examiner's
Speaker:office, which studies pokiri. They seem to be dying of heart
Speaker:failure, but we can only guess the cause. So
Speaker:this comes through and these articles in the La times,
Speaker:when they came out, when it happened to the hng population after
Speaker:the Vietnam War, that's what inspired Wes Craven to
Speaker:create Nightmare on Elm Street. And we could actually do a whole podcast on
Speaker:that, just that now who's. Going to have a hard time falling asleep
Speaker:tonight, right? Yeah. Well, we didn't want you to fall
Speaker:asleep during the presentation. And I'd say take your
Speaker:Ambien to help. But what does Ambien do
Speaker:to people? Makes them sleepwalk. Yeah.
Speaker:So go on. So here's another thing that could have happened to
Speaker:Raymond. This is from the Toronto Star. In the wake of the Chris
Speaker:Heinman tragedy, experts say death by sleepwalking is
Speaker:possible. This is from August 6, 2015.
Speaker:It's rare, but experts say it's definitely possible to die while
Speaker:sleepwalking. Of course it's dangerous, said Dr. Colin
Speaker:Shapiro, a University Toronto professor. People can essentially do
Speaker:anything. They can walk in their sleep. They can talk in their sleep. They can
Speaker:eat in their sleep. They can drive their car in their sleep. They can have
Speaker:sex in their sleep. I didn't make that up.
Speaker:He said that and to fall and injure yourself or
Speaker:die, it's definitely possible. Shapiro said. The
Speaker:plausibility of such a demise has come up in the wake of Chris Heinman's
Speaker:death. The popular television personality it's Canada. Who knows who
Speaker:this guy is? The popular television personality was found dead in
Speaker:an alleyway next to the East End apartment where he lived with his on screen
Speaker:partner and spouse, Stephen Sabados. Heinman's mother told
Speaker:the Star she believed her son died in an unfortunate
Speaker:accident while sleepwalking. So,
Speaker:okay, people can die in their sleep. Now,
Speaker:why is that happening? This is from Scientific American in 2012.
Speaker:And this is about sleepwalking
Speaker:killers. And this is by people that have done the research on
Speaker:it. For as long as we have recognized walking and talking in our sleep,
Speaker:we have also been aware of more extreme nighttime behaviors.
Speaker:Homer's epics mention, a sleeper's tragic suicide. In
Speaker:1313, a church led council concluded that a
Speaker:sleepwalking killer was not culpable for his
Speaker:crimes. We have no way of knowing the truth of these matters.
Speaker:Nonetheless, the medical literature reflects many complex
Speaker:actions occurring during sleep. The first brain
Speaker:imaging study to observe this state was led by
Speaker:one of the authors. A 16 year old sleepwalker was monitored for
Speaker:two nights with electrodes placed on his scalp to produce
Speaker:a polysomnogram of his brain activity. So what they found,
Speaker:when he rose from his deep sleep, walked around, opened
Speaker:his eyes, even had a scared expression on his face, they
Speaker:put a little radioactive tracer in him while he was sleepwalking.
Speaker:And so then they scanned it and they compared the boy's brain activity
Speaker:when sleepwalking and when in deep sleep and his sleepwalking state. The
Speaker:scans revealed greater activity in areas of the brain involved in motor
Speaker:control. So walking and then compared with. The brain of a
Speaker:healthy, awake subject. They had a lot less engagement in the
Speaker:regions necessary for higher cognitive functions thinking,
Speaker:planning, insight. So basically,
Speaker:sleepwalking, it's activating your motor part of your body
Speaker:and your part of your body that thinks and that knows what's going on is
Speaker:off. Yeah. So did you find also a connection to
Speaker:measles? I did. Early onset. Sorry, this is
Speaker:a word I'm going to butcher subacute sclerosing
Speaker:pancephalitis. And this is something that happens to people,
Speaker:especially children, after they have measles. And because
Speaker:not everybody's vaccinated in India. This is an article from the Indian
Speaker:Journal of Psychological Medicine, 2017. Now, the
Speaker:cases are normally fatal. The symptoms can range from altered
Speaker:behavior, alienation and personality my, clonic
Speaker:jerks, which is an epilepsy type thing,
Speaker:cognitive decline, gradual behavior changes, an
Speaker:unsteady gait, photosensitivity. And
Speaker:the average latent period is seven to ten years. So often people,
Speaker:this happens to them ten years after they get measles, but it's happened
Speaker:up to one month after they've gotten measles. And what happens
Speaker:as a result? Well, sometimes they get a
Speaker:paranoid, hallucinatory psychosis. Oh, wow.
Speaker:There might be a medical explanation for what happened to Raymond. Right, so this is
Speaker:a different this is a 2003 article, and they reported
Speaker:a case of a 19 year old man who was first diagnosed with
Speaker:schizophrenia, which is hearing voices,
Speaker:but finally shown to have subacute sclerosing
Speaker:panencephalitis. And he had hallucinations
Speaker:and negative symptoms with the onset, and he had seizures. So they thought that he
Speaker:was schizophrenic, but really he had this disease which results from people
Speaker:getting measles. So while I do probably think it was the
Speaker:nighthag that got him, we. Have to
Speaker:entertain other explanations. So we're going to go a little bit long.
Speaker:Is that okay? That's okay. We can go into a couple of Father Reesinger's
Speaker:greatest hits, because I think. You got to hear about
Speaker:Milwaukee's exorcist Father Theophilus
Speaker:Reesinger, and that's who we're going to talk about next. Because we could do a
Speaker:whole thing on sudden death in the
Speaker:night, because one of those instances in Asia
Speaker:occurred in the Singapore where 400 men died as a
Speaker:result. So there's a lot to be talked about there. But anyway, let's
Speaker:get back to Milwaukee and Milwaukee exorcisms. So
Speaker:has anybody here heard of the 1928
Speaker:Earling exorcism in
Speaker:Earling, Iowa? Yeah. Okay. There's a couple
Speaker:of people. All right. This is quite a famous case because in
Speaker:addition to the Roland Doe 1949
Speaker:case in St. Louis that you hear a
Speaker:lot about, this 1928 case
Speaker:also influenced William Peter Blatty
Speaker:and the writing of the book and then later the movie
Speaker:The Exorcist. He read these accounts
Speaker:of exorcisms and the dramatic
Speaker:things that were said to happen. So as far as the body
Speaker:contortion and the pea soup, projectile
Speaker:vomiting, that comes from the 1928 case
Speaker:in which a 40 year old woman
Speaker:was exorcised by a Milwaukee ordained
Speaker:priest called theophilus Re singer.
Speaker:But they don't talk about 1926,
Speaker:when that woman was first exorcised in
Speaker:Milwaukee. Yes,
Speaker:like the devil right here. And I also want to mention
Speaker:that the Archdiocese actually had a press
Speaker:conference in 1926 to
Speaker:announce two exorcisms that year by Father
Speaker:Theo. One was of a
Speaker:mechanic, a male mechanic from
Speaker:Milwaukee, and I don't have many details about that
Speaker:one, but I do know that Father
Speaker:Reesinger was quoted saying that as
Speaker:he released the demons from this man, it
Speaker:shook the seminary. So we think that
Speaker:that went on in Milwaukee at
Speaker:the Capuchin Monastery on
Speaker:Fourth and Harmon streets. And again,
Speaker:as the devils were released, the whole building shook.
Speaker:That's all I know about that one. They should have press releases now.
Speaker:Yeah, I know. This was actually a press
Speaker:conference where two top officials from the Catholic
Speaker:Church came out to say that there were these two
Speaker:exorcisms that were performed locally and
Speaker:this news went national. Can you imagine the reporters, though? It's like the
Speaker:1920s, like, talking, like, okay, so did you vomit pea soup
Speaker:out of it? Just think about 1920s reporters talking to these
Speaker:priests about an exorcism. I would have liked to be there.
Speaker:So we know the most about the woman,
Speaker:although there's a lot of things that still
Speaker:need to be sorted out because there's two different stories of how she
Speaker:became possessed. She was given the pseudonym
Speaker:Anna Ekland. So if you search for that online,
Speaker:you'll find a lot about the 1928 exorcism because there's
Speaker:a book that's popularly available
Speaker:called Begone Satan, which is all about the
Speaker:1928 exorcisms. And you can read it for free
Speaker:online. Some people say that her real name was
Speaker:Emma Smith, but finding her census
Speaker:records has proved difficult for me
Speaker:because some of the details just don't match up. But this
Speaker:guy was definitely real. Theophilus
Speaker:Reesinger. He was ordained here in Milwaukee at St. Francis
Speaker:Seminary and he moved to the Appleton area. But he came back to
Speaker:Milwaukee often whenever he was needed. And he wasn't afraid to take
Speaker:people out of state like he did with
Speaker:Emma. That's what I'm going to call her, because he
Speaker:felt that they needed to be taken away
Speaker:from their local area so that the
Speaker:community wouldn't be talking about them first. He took her
Speaker:in 1926 to St. Joseph's
Speaker:Hospital, which was located on Fourth Street and
Speaker:Reservoir Avenue. So she was admitted as a
Speaker:patient, and then he underwent a three day
Speaker:fast and then performed the rites of
Speaker:exorcism in the church chapel. Now, he was known
Speaker:to be an extraordinarily strong man. He said
Speaker:that most people, most exorcists
Speaker:didn't live long after their first exorcism. Now,
Speaker:I can't support that through documentation, but this is what he
Speaker:believed. And he said he was
Speaker:gifted with extraordinary strengths from
Speaker:the Lord and was able to successfully
Speaker:exercise 22 people
Speaker:in his long career, but by extraordinary strength. Do you
Speaker:mean, like, strength of character, or do you mean, like, spiritual?
Speaker:Okay. I was just saying, like, if he could, like, airplane spin. Well,
Speaker:he did have a very athletic physique. He was known
Speaker:to work long hours and have big
Speaker:muscles. You got a picture of him? What was that? I said,
Speaker:you got a picture of him? He looks like a badass. Yeah, he is kind
Speaker:of a badass. I would say. Look at that. Really tall and really built.
Speaker:But he had this spiritual strength that
Speaker:he could withstand the onslaughts of the
Speaker:devil. And then the 1928 exorcism that he
Speaker:performed for 23 days, not
Speaker:consecutively. There were breaks in between, so it was over a period of several
Speaker:months. But the whole exorcism of Emma
Speaker:in Caroline, Iowa, at the convent there lasted
Speaker:for 23 days. And
Speaker:it's a really physical work. Apparently, his
Speaker:cassocks would get sweated through and he would
Speaker:have to change his clothes sometimes three times a day. And
Speaker:also there was the projectile vomiting. Don't forget about that.
Speaker:That could have something to do with it. He did have help in the
Speaker:1928 exorcism by Father
Speaker:Joseph Steiger, and that was his local parish in
Speaker:Caroline, Iowa. This
Speaker:guy actually reported that
Speaker:the spirits were, like, after him, and he had a hard
Speaker:time staying in the exorcisms because they would say terrible
Speaker:things to him and accuse him of terrible things. And
Speaker:then one day they said, well, just wait till Friday.
Speaker:And he's like, okay. On Friday he was called away because
Speaker:one of his parishioners needed last rites. And so
Speaker:he drove to their house and administered last rites. And
Speaker:then on the way back, he said that as he was
Speaker:crossing this treacherous bridge, this black
Speaker:cloud descended in front of his face and
Speaker:blinded him. So he crashed into the rails.
Speaker:Now, thankfully, he
Speaker:survived. His car didn't, but he survived. And a nearby
Speaker:farmer had heard the crash and ran to his aid. And
Speaker:when he returned to the exorcism, he hadn't told anybody
Speaker:about that, but the demon knew right away. So how did you like
Speaker:that, Father Steiger? And so Father
Speaker:Steiger was surprised that the demon knew about his
Speaker:accident. And the demon also acknowledged that if he hadn't been protected by one
Speaker:of the saints, he would have been dead. As I said,
Speaker:these 1926 exorcisms made national
Speaker:news. But you won't find information about the press
Speaker:conference in the Milwaukee papers, but what you will
Speaker:find is in depth accounts
Speaker:of the exorcisms at the
Speaker:hospital chapel. This is the most amazing one, I think,
Speaker:from February 18, after the rites, which took
Speaker:place around the end of January.
Speaker:The woman was still in the hospital, and
Speaker:they interviewed a nun named Sister Blanche,
Speaker:and she talked about how this little
Speaker:woman exhibited extraordinary strength
Speaker:and had to be dragged into the chapel
Speaker:by four big men. And the howling and animal
Speaker:sounds that came from her just seemed unnatural.
Speaker:Now this is interesting, something that
Speaker:Mother Theophilus Reesinger said in a later
Speaker:interview which, when begun, Satan came out in
Speaker:1936. He was interviewed in the Milwaukee
Speaker:papers and then his interview
Speaker:went national and then Time magazine actually featured
Speaker:him. Can you imagine opening up Time magazine today and
Speaker:seeing them profiling an exorcist and talking
Speaker:about details of exorcisms?
Speaker:Well, this is interesting to me because I always thought you had to
Speaker:give yourself to the devil, like verbally or at least in the
Speaker:exorcist films, like play with the Ouija board or something naughty that you're not supposed
Speaker:to do that allows you entrance. But he said
Speaker:that sometimes there is diabolical material
Speaker:in the body and this must be expelled. And
Speaker:as long as it is there, the devil can always come
Speaker:back. You might like to pick up the sensational book about
Speaker:the case of Emma's exorcism called The
Speaker:Devil Rocked Her Cradle. Anyway, in here you find
Speaker:out that her aunt, who was having
Speaker:infidelity with her father, was said to have cursed her
Speaker:along with her father cursing her for various abuse
Speaker:ridden reasons that I won't mention. The
Speaker:Aunt Mina cursed her by putting some strange
Speaker:herbs in her tea and performing malediction, which is
Speaker:essentially putting a spell on her. Father Theo is
Speaker:acknowledging that that you could have some tainted food
Speaker:that has some cursed herbs in it and that
Speaker:could make you a swinging door for all manner of
Speaker:devils and demons. But he would later come to believe that
Speaker:Anna, or Emma, as I'm going to call her, that
Speaker:she was actually a vessel of the
Speaker:Lord and she was the swinging door.
Speaker:And this is why he had to exercise her so
Speaker:often. There are sources that claim that Father Theo
Speaker:his first rite with Emma when she was a teenager in
Speaker:1912. And then in 1926
Speaker:he brings her to Milwaukee and exercises her here.
Speaker:And then in 1928 he takes her
Speaker:to Caroline, Iowa to the convent there and
Speaker:the nuns there helped by holding her down and doing
Speaker:Mother various services. But I think most importantly,
Speaker:what he wanted is just like we were talking, the rite
Speaker:of perpetual adoration. They could assist with the
Speaker:exorcism by constantly praying
Speaker:during that 23 day period, praying around the clock.
Speaker:And that's what I think happened real quick. Alzheimer, we're running out of
Speaker:time. So how did it end up? So let's just how did how did what
Speaker:happened to poor Emily and how did it end up? So we can let everybody
Speaker:know. We can't leave on a cliffhanger. So in 1936,
Speaker:he admitted in Time magazine and in local
Speaker:interviews that Emma would have to be exercised
Speaker:for the rest of her life, that she wasn't so much a
Speaker:victim of these spirits anymore. But
Speaker:they were trapped in her body. And then they could be exercised by
Speaker:Father Theo and then locked up in hell for a
Speaker:long time. So they wouldn't be set anyone else on Earth. And she
Speaker:also at one point felt that she was having communications
Speaker:with holy figures, like the Virgin Mary was possessing her.
Speaker:So she became like a vehicle for the faith. Interesting.
Speaker:So it was not a really happy ending for Emma?
Speaker:Well, it depends on how you look at it, because
Speaker:she was more in control of her actions. But she always
Speaker:performed that service of taking in the devil into her
Speaker:own body. And then Father Theo would come along and
Speaker:take those devil and throw them back into
Speaker:so he said that she literally freed this world
Speaker:from billions and billions of demonic
Speaker:beings. All right, well okay. Well, thanks, Emma. We appreciate that
Speaker:today. Yeah. So I know we're wrapping up, but I wanted to just take
Speaker:a minute to see if anybody had any questions or comments
Speaker:or their own stories to. Share, because what do
Speaker:we can definitely do the stories to share at the Ghost
Speaker:Story open mic. Oh, that's right. We're ending the day with that.
Speaker:Yeah. So we'll talk about that more later. But any questions, though? Will you
Speaker:take one or two? Yes, go ahead.
Speaker:Oh, 59. Yeah. So she didn't live a very long
Speaker:life, unfortunately. How old did Father Theo
Speaker:live? He lived to 73. He died in
Speaker:1941. Okay. I know we talked about Theo, but
Speaker:the Earling Exorcism case is one of the most monumental. It
Speaker:was a lot of the inspiration for, obviously, the Exorcist.
Speaker:But just inside the Calvary Cemetery here in Milwaukee,
Speaker:there's a grave that you can visit interred. There are the remains of
Speaker:clergyman Walter Halloran. Now, Halloran, he attended a
Speaker:Jesuit boarding school in Pradusheen before joining the Society of
Speaker:Jesus, better known as the Jesuits. As Halloran worked towards his
Speaker:ordination, he participated in one of the most bizarre and notable events in
Speaker:American paranormal history. He assisted Father Raymond Bishop
Speaker:in the exorcism of Roland Doe. So it was 1949,
Speaker:the notes of which inspired the exorcist novel, as well as the monumental film
Speaker:adaptation. Halloran was the last living witness of the possession,
Speaker:and it said that he later expressed
Speaker:skepticism of the supernatural claims of Bladdy's
Speaker:novel and also the directorial work. But Halloran, he'd
Speaker:go on to teach at Marquette. He served as a chaplain in Vietnam, and
Speaker:he directed campus ministry at St. Louis before retiring
Speaker:at St. Camillas here. He died in
Speaker:Wawatosa, and he's buried here at the Calvary
Speaker:Cemetery. Yes. Actually, two witnesses to the
Speaker:Rolando Exorcism died here in Milwaukee at St.
Speaker:Camillas, which is a retirement home for
Speaker:priests. So they ended their life here in
Speaker:Milwaukee. And you can go and see
Speaker:Halloran's Gravestone at
Speaker:Calvary Cemetery on Jesuit Hill. And
Speaker:if you need exorcism yourself, you might want to check out
Speaker:this seminary, which is really beautiful.
Speaker:It's called the University of St. Mary of the Lake. The
Speaker:Mundaline Seminary. It's 1 hour from
Speaker:Milwaukee, and I thought you had to go to Rome
Speaker:to get exorcism training, but they have a
Speaker:yearly cohort there where they train exorcists from
Speaker:all over the world. And they also have an annual
Speaker:conference for exorcists. They actually come to Mundeline,
Speaker:Illinois, and talk shop. But you can't
Speaker:get in because you have to be a clergyman
Speaker:or you have to be okayed by the bishop. So if you want
Speaker:to go get that bishop for your letter going, and then you'll be able to
Speaker:go to the conference next summer. All right? So that's
Speaker:right. Milwaukee, home of beer brats, the violent
Speaker:stems and exorcism, and, of course, the
Speaker:devil. So we'll see you next time on Wisconsin Legends
Speaker:Podcast.
Speaker:Sam.
Speaker:Sam.
Speaker:Sam.