>> Jonathan: All right, you guys tuning in this week here on Chasing

Birdies, we're back for a new episode, second one of

2025. Second one in two weeks. My man

J.P. what's shaking, baby?

>> RB: What is going on?

>> Jonathan: You're in sunny Florida, I take it. Huh? Huh?

>> RB: Well, it's not really sunny right now. I'm in Orlando,

Florida. Um, PGA show

starts here next week. I will not be there.

I'm here for, uh, our Jewel

show to kick off the year. But

it's good to see you again, bud.

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> RB: You know, two times in two weeks.

>> Jonathan: I made a joke to you and BK that, uh, it's been a while since

y'all have been in Florida, but, um,

actually, you're there last week, too, so what the hell?

Life's good, bud.

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>> Jonathan: Maybe I should get a pair of the Red Valley golf shoes I saw in

that 2025 book.

I mean, my shoes aren't golf.

>> RB: Your shoes are pickle shoes.

>> Jonathan: They're still good, though. They're still good, though.

>> RB: I think that you would not like those shoes in the

North. I think you walking pelican with pickleball

shoes. Um,

yeah, but I don't think that inhales that that

would necessarily work out.

>> Jonathan: So one thing that we actually got right on this show,

maybe of all time, maybe,

was this past weekend witnessing

the Steelers get thrashed by the Ravens. And we called that here

on the show, which was not fun to

watch. But the point to that is this

weekend, we're headed into a great, great weekend of sports.

I mean, we got games going on

Saturday, national championship here with, uh, Ohio

State, Notre Dame. I mean, it's. It's. It's

been a hell of a season, man. And. And I'll tell you this right

now, I don't think anybody's beating the

Lions. I don't think anybody's beating the

Lions.

>> RB: Uh, I like the Lions. I do.

I also, though, man, I like the. I like those Minnesota

Vikings.

>> Jonathan: Yeah. But I just.

I'm just saying, from the standpoint of my man

Dan Campbell just has

brass Whatever. And he

just has these plays, very

aggressive, the way they've played all year.

Headed into this weekend, divisional round

coming, uh, off a buy, and

that's the way football should be played. You watch some of the teams play

last weekend. It's like, that's the way football should

be played.

>> RB: Derrick Henry, man is a man. He's a

dog.

>> Jonathan: Yes.

>> RB: I mean, that guy just does what he

wants. Um, and then on the college football side

of things, we got Ohio State vs.

Notre Dame for the national championship. I mean,

I was actually thinking about this other day.

Imagine if you're like, you're an Ohio State fan.

I gotta go to four bowl games to watch my

team play.

>> Jonathan: No, you're right.

>> RB: Uh, that's a little out of control. And how about Carson

Beck going to, uh, the University

of Miami? Um,

his nil deal. You know what his nil deal is?

>> Jonathan: What is it?

>> RB: $4 million? You know what George Pickens's contract for

four years is in the NFL? What is it,

3.1.

>> Jonathan: Wow.

>> RB: So you can't tell me that this

nil stuff's not getting out of control.

Um, you know, Carson Beck went from declaring for the

NFL draft to probably realizing,

hey, if I go to another school for one year, I'll make more

money there in one year than I will in two or three years.

>> Jonathan: Rookie contract. Yep, yep.

>> RB: Um, gotta end it. Gotta end the nil.

I. I believe. Or at least get some kind of

control on it.

>> Jonathan: You're you. That's a bold statement. That's a

bold statement.

>> RB: I don't know your money. You're making more money than professional

athletes.

>> Jonathan: Yeah, yeah, I hear you.

I hear you. I. And I'm sure some of these

golfers, man, are getting paid, too.

>> RB: Yeah.

>> Jonathan: You know, which.

>> RB: Wonder what?

>> Jonathan: I would have made it, but golf's one thing where it's like,

you know, when you're playing quarterback for a team, naturally the

whole team matters. You're part of that team. When you're playing

golf, you're on a squad, but at the end of the day,

you still want to go out and shoot 65, whether you're playing in

California or Florida. So, uh, it's a

little different, but that's a different

topic of conversation.

But today we do have a guest here on Chasing Birdies.

Natalie Sheehan joins us, uh, to talk a

lot about golf and a lot about what she's into in golf. She

teaches out a Pelican Golf club down outside of

Clearwater, Florida. And we had a chance to catch up with

her a Couple weeks ago, and

she, uh, accepted the invitation to come here on a show

and. Fabulous little interview, man. I mean,

and going back to what we talked

about in the past with women in sports,

specifically golf, um,

it's. It's just really something that's needed to grow

the game. And she's. She's exemplifying that.

>> RB: Well, I mean, for women, too. There's so much

opportunity in the game of golf, as far as, you know, in

business. It can help you out in

business so much when you play the. This great sport.

So, um, I think that Natalie's going to help

out, uh, with that. She's got an

incredible resume

as is, and I'm sure it's only going to get better

over the next few years. Um,

but Pelican is a great place for her to be.

And I mean, the facilities they have are out of this

world. Um, and the golf course and the

people in the restaurant, everything. Um, so

without further ado, I think that we should go, uh, listen to

Natalie talk and not so much

us.

>> Jonathan: Yep. You guys enjoy this one.

All right, you guys out there tuning in here on Chase

and Birdies. We got a good one today. I'm really stoked for this

one. A young and upcoming female teacher

in the golf world. She's going to give me and Pep a few pointers here on the

show. Actually, Natalie Sheehan, uh, you might

have seen her on Golf Pass on Golf Channel, joins us here on Chase.

And so, Natalie, thanks so much for, uh, carving out some time

today and joining us.

>> Speaker C: Yeah. Thank you, guys. Loving the pelican hat

rep.

>> RB: Absolutely had to do it. Uh, I was on a

flight today with Mr. Brandon Katsif on the way down to

Orlando for a jewelry show. And,

um, I know you guys have a big event here next week in the

PGA show.

>> Speaker C: That's right. Yeah. Down in Orlando as well.

>> Jonathan: So you'll be headed to that.

>> Speaker C: Yes, I am speaking at the teaching and coaching summit, which

happens prior to the show. So that's Sunday, Monday, and

then Tuesday, there's the Houston huge demo day, where they

do it at, ah, the round Orange County National

Driving Range, uh, which is really cool. And then the

actual show in the convention center is Wednesday,

Thursday, Friday, and.

>> RB: That'S where everybody gets to try the new goods that are

coming out this year. It is really cool. I've done it a few

times in the past. Um, it's just,

I have to say, the actual show, Ryan, I don't think

you've ever been there.

>> Jonathan: I haven't.

>> RB: Um, the Actual show is very overwhelming.

Um, there's a million booths. There's a million

people with clothes and

golf tees and golf

shoes. Everything that you can think of that you've never

even heard of, you have, and it's really cool.

>> Speaker C: Even like, when you walk around, there's all these,

like, Asian brands because we forget. It's easy to be in our, like,

little bubble of, you know, U.S. golf. But,

like, golf is so expansive. So there's all these brands from, you know,

Asia and all these other countries who have all sorts of different crazy

products from, you know, workout stuff to, like,

little technology. And, like, you said, clothes. I mean, it's

literally everything you could possibly imagine.

>> Jonathan: I. I think the, like, the apparel, some

aspect of it, like, interests me for sure,

but at the same time, I feel like it would be so hard to break

into. I mean, how many different types of

material is there in the world that you can make a shirt that says, hey,

you're not gonna sweat on a hot summer day?

>> Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. It's also, the margins are super

tight on. On clothing stuff, but, yeah, no,

it's crazy. I can't imagine.

>> Jonathan: But, yeah, I've never been. Uh, we've actually thought

about going, but I really. I have no interest. But, you know, I

know a lot of people that do go, and they say it's a great time. You get

to see everything and whatnot.

>> Speaker C: Meet up with people, fun networking opportunity. Like, really

good way to. I mean, everybody's there, so it's a

nice way to meet up with people, for sure.

>> Jonathan: Yeah. That's awesome.

So golf, man, you. You found golf at a young

age? You know, I was doing some browsing, a little bit of

research, and, um, you know.

So was that something that you had in your family blood, or was it something

you just picked up on your own?

>> Speaker C: So my dad actually played ice hockey in college,

and, uh, I'm the oldest of three girls. So I always joke

that, um, I'm the son he never had because

I was not allowed to figure skate, um, even

though I really wanted figure skates when I was little, um, we lived

on a pond, and so it would freeze over, and he would,

like, shovel it off. And we had hockey nets. So I learned how to skate on,

um, hockey skates when I was, like, three,

um, and played golf. He loved golf kind of toward

the end of college, and then I just also

kind of became obsessed. But I played. I don't look like an

ice hockey player, but I played ice hockey all the way through high school as

well.

>> RB: That's, um, awesome.

>> Speaker C: So, yeah, that was. You know, my dad played a lot

of sports, and we did as well.

>> Jonathan: Hockey. We. We've talked to some of you who played hockey

and golf, and it just.

Yeah, to a degree, it kind of is. It goes a

little.

>> Speaker C: You know, definitely a lot of hockey players. I mean, a lot of

former athletes find their way to golf. Obviously, they. I think,

you know, over the years, having worked with some of them, we have a lot in the

Tampa Bay area who are former athletes from all different

sports, and I think that they

love it so much because they just can't quite figure it out. You know,

these are people who have been so

unbelievably successful in their own respective sports,

and then they get closer to retirement maybe,

and start playing golf, and they can't figure it

out, and they are just so locked in and

obsessed, because those are the people that I find that practice the most and

are so obsessed with, like, you know, trying to get better. And

it's sort of interesting that golf's what everyone comes to.

>> RB: Well, I think for a lot of people, too. Like, you talk to these

professional athletes that are the best at what they do, right?

A hockey player, a football player, and if you tell them,

hey, this par three, number nine, for

example, at Pelican is

130 yards, and you have to get it

three shots to make a par. A lot of them are

like, three shots. That's all I need to do to get to there.

And it's like they don't realize how hard it actually

is, uh, once. Once you get those wheels

rolling. Um, and it's so funny because it

frustrates these athletes and celebrities

so much because again, they're.

They're so good at hockey, and in their mind, they should

automatically be good at golf 100%.

>> Speaker C: And even people that are, you know, successful, obviously,

in golf, you have a lot of people, especially at a place like

Pelican, uh, you know, who run companies that have been

really incredibly successful in their own

lives, business wise. Same thing. You know,

they just. It's something else that they want to work toward and

they want to try and figure out. Um, and you can never

really perfect it, so.

>> Jonathan: Never.

>> RB: Patty's still trying to do that.

>> Jonathan: Speaking of Pelican, I tell you what we had. That is a

gem that is like a hidden gem. Now,

granted, you know, they had the Annika there, which we'll get into a little bit, so it

kind of gets some publicity a little bit. But the first time

playing it, he and I last Year with, with

bk. We were like

ambassadors for him to try to join. We're like, dude, this

is the place. Like, it's

close to where you live. It's

meticulous. Um, great

hang. The comfort stations are out of this

world. Like, it's just a good spot to be at.

>> Speaker C: Yeah, it's a great place to play golf, that's for sure.

>> Jonathan: And for you? I mean, I didn't get to really see

kind of overpass the range a little bit, but I saw like there were

some indoor outdoor hitting bays, um,

which might be

popular in Florida or just a good golf courses in general. But I

mean, it's got to be, ah, a great place for you to kind of hang your

hat and do what you got to do.

>> Speaker C: Yeah, it's. We have state of the art facilities, which is

amazing. My husband Justin, who I'm sure you guys met when you

were down one of the times, um, is the COO of

Pelican, but he was a huge

part of when the club was being built. So the Doyle family bought it

in 2017. It was an existing public golf

course, um, called the Bellevue Biltmore.

And it's an old Donald Ross course actually, that Bo

Welling redesigned. So Beau does a lot of work, uh,

with Tiger on his courses. And,

um, so it reopened in 2019, but Justin was a

huge part of the project and the golf

course redesign and all of the buildings being built. So Justin

basically designed the learning center. And

as a former, he still teaches some, but you know, he

was full time teaching prior to

Pelican. He had the knowledge to build a really

amazing learning state of the art. We've got

Sam Putt lab in our putting studio as well as a Zen

green so you can adjust and make all different

types of putts. Um,

we've got putt view that does the projection, so you could set the

green to, let's say a 3% slope right to left. And then you

make the putt view shows you exactly the line that you need to putt

on. Um, so that's an amazing thing

to have. We've got an upstairs hitting bay that has

trackman simulator in it. So if it's hot, cold,

we get both in Tampa Bay. Uh, you can head up there and

hang out. If you're hanging out on property with some friends

for the weekend, you can grab some drinks and go hang out up there

and play pebble beach on the simulator if you want to.

Um, and then downstairs we've got Truspeck has one hitting bay,

so they do all of the club fitting. Uh, Premier Club

Fitter in Tampa Bay. And then we have the teaching bay next

door, which is primarily where I teach out of. We've

got Gears, which does 3D capture, we

have ah, swing Catalyst which is a pressure

plate. And then um, we have Trackman,

so kind of does all of the things.

>> Jonathan: Isn't that, I mean that's impressive. Just the amount of

technology that goes into golf these days. And it hasn't

like just happened, but it just keeps evolving. But when you look

back on golf like even 25 years

ago, like none of this shit existed. Nothing.

>> Speaker C: No. Which also makes you appreciate,

you know, I don't know how nerdy you guys are on

golf instruction, but the guys who are really

legendary, you've got like a Butch Harmon, Hank Haney,

those guys were just really good at

seeing everything because they didn't have what we have.

>> RB: Now, drawing the lines and everything else.

>> Speaker C: Yeah, there's a lot of people now who maybe aren't great teachers, but they can

dissect the information based on what someone's doing on Trackman

pretty easily. Which, you know, 30 or 40 years

ago they didn't have that. So those guys were just exceptional at

what they did.

>> Jonathan: No, my dad had the Ledbetter book sitting

on the coffee table when I was growing up. And like, uh, you'd come home from

golf and you'd open a Ledbetter book up to see kinda

like, you know, I was hitting it right a little bit. So what's Ledbetter say?

You know, and that's what it was, right? It

was crazy.

>> Speaker C: Yeah, exactly. So, um, you know, even when

Justin, uh, worked for Jim McLean, he was Jim's assistant

down in Miami, uh, when he was really young.

And um, another legendary coach and

teacher who has trained a lot

of fantastic teachers, but same thing, like,

just so good at seeing all

that stuff that I think kind of the modern teachers maybe aren't as great

at because we have all this technology and

even just being able to whip out your phone and take a video of somebody

in slow motion, you know.

>> RB: Well, I even like, for example today, this is a little off

topic, but I had to renew my passport

and I was able just to take my photo on my phone,

my passport, they.

>> Speaker C: Let you do that.

>> RB: Which like that, uh, insane you think about like the

technology, like what you're saying with the golf swing. I didn't

have to go to the DMV to get a picture

of my face. I just did in my car. It's

crazy how much technology has evolved in everything that

we do.

>> Speaker C: Yeah, absolutely. That is amazing. And still is.

>> Jonathan: So with your teaching, um, by the way,

congratulations. I saw that you are 20,

25, 2026, Golf Digest

Top teachers, rising teachers for the year.

>> Speaker C: Yeah.

>> Jonathan: So kudos to you. I mean, that's. That's big.

>> RB: Congratulations.

>> Speaker C: Yeah, thank you.

>> Jonathan: But you obviously have a passion for that, and I

know that you kind of were involved in playing a little

bit, but what kind of happened within

your career there where you. You wanted to kind of take this pivotal

shift and get into the realm you're in right now?

>> Speaker C: So. I played Division 1 golf in college at

University of Delaware, and

originally I wanted to work in fashion,

and I thought I was going to move to New York City and do

that, and quickly realized that was not for me.

After a couple years of. I started out as a fashion merchandising

major. There's, um. I switched to art history,

something that I just really enjoy and passionate about

and really focused in on golf. Had a great

junior and senior year playing. Decided I was gonna

go to Q school and try and play. But, uh,

in the meantime, I had worked for my coach growing up

and did just women's clinics and kids

camps during the summer and really fell in love with

teaching and sharing the game. And

especially with women and kids. It is

so much fun to. And men,

too, but people who are newer to the game. It's

really, uh, so rewarding to share

that with people and get them started. So

that definitely set a spark. And then after I went to Q school

once, uh, again realized that was not for

me. Uh, didn't want to be on the road.

Don't think that I was really a talented enough player.

Honestly, uh, I'm a respectable golf pro. I think I

can still play, too. A pretty high standard,

but those girls are just.

>> Jonathan: They're so damn insane, you know?

>> Speaker C: And Justin and I talk about too, you know, you're gonna go out to Q school. Well, whose

spot on tour are you taking?

>> Jonathan: Right.

>> Speaker C: Who are you better than? And I just wasn't there.

So, um, came back from there. Ah. That was

in the summer of

2017, like, one year after I graduated

and just decided, hey, I'm gonna really dig into

teaching. I was doing some of the social media stuff already

kind of before that became as popular as it

is now. And the club that I was working at in

Philadelphia was super supportive of everything I was

doing. And so I just dug into teaching,

and Philly was a great spot to be in with a lot of

amazing other golf pros. And courses so

kind of took off from there.

>> RB: Which. Where you were at in Philly is one of my

all time favorite places in the Philly Cricket Club.

I love that place. That place is incredible.

I can't say the name of the course.

Yeah. Um, but I love it.

>> Speaker C: Great golf course

is the nine hole course. I don't know if you've ever been to the nine hole course,

which is the original. It's the In Town

Club, um, in Chestnut Hill. But that was the

original golf course. And there's only nine

holes existing left. But they

sold the other half off, I think during like the Great Depression or

something. But it's the original golf course where they

had. I'm gonna say this wrong now that I'm on a podcast, but

the US Open, they had some. A major there,

um, a long, long time ago. But

it's really cool. They have, ah, they

have a Hickory tournament. They're like the world. World Hickory

Champions every year. So they actually have like

the. It's a square sand box with. It's what they

use for Hickory golf. They have that on the line, of

course. Really neat.

>> Jonathan: That's that Philly Cricket Club.

>> Speaker C: Yeah. Mhm.

>> Jonathan: No way. Yeah, we must have missed that one.

>> Speaker C: But you guys had. If you guys are back in Philly, you should go. That's

a true hidden gem, is that.

>> RB: Little night hole Force wants to hit that up.

Maybe when we go back to Marion. That was supposed to happen two years ago, so

there you go.

>> Speaker C: That was a good trip.

>> Jonathan: Um, well, you broke your ankle this year, bud.

>> RB: So I did. Um,

two things that you mentioned that I want to bring up. Uh,

number one, you know, getting children involved in the

game of golf. Um, I always

went to Pine Needles Golf Camp growing

up. And, uh, we were very close to

Peggy Kirk Bell and she taught me how to play golf.

And um, it's just like what you're saying is

to get kids involved in this game, that's so

great. It's. It's awesome to see. My

son's 7 years old and he's getting involved and

he's starting to take a liking to it. And to see their face when

I do something, well, is. It's. It's

awesome. So. And to be able to

handle them when the parents aren't around is fantastic for you

as well. Um, but.

And then to another point that you made is how hard Q school is.

We just had a guy on that has shot

64 under par last year and.

Monday PGA Tour. Monday Q

school or Monday qualifiers. Okay. 64 under

par total, and he did not make one event.

>> Speaker C: Yeah, that's like that Monday Q account. I'm sure you guys follow

that where it posts. He posts all that stuff, stats from that. I mean,

it is unbelievable. And the men's. The men's game, the

women are incredibly talented, and the level

of play has improved significantly. I

think, uh, on the LPGA Tour, the men's side

is next level. I mean, it's insane. The amount.

I'm just amazed at the amount of guys who can go out and do what you

said. Who can go out and shoot 63, 64,

whatever, on a Monday qualifier. Not all those guys could hold

up for, you know, a whole week on tour, back to

back. But there are far more guys, it

seems like, who can throw up those low numbers, uh, in a

qualifier for sure.

>> Jonathan: It's just. It is. It's

absolutely kind of perplexing to

think about it, you know, when you hear a story like, that

guy can't get in, shoot 64 under in Q

school, or, I'm sorry, on Monday Q's. And,

um, you look at what

hideki shot in Hawaii, 3400

or something. Is that in second?

Like, uh,

how much more, how much better can they get?

How much better can you get as a golfer? Well,

and, I mean, I know. I know Annika thought she could

birdie all 18 holes,

and this is never her, uh.

>> RB: You. You can correct me if I'm wrong, and this is the

big debate in golf right now, but I think the only way they're

going to be able to control this, how good these

players are and how far they're hitting it, is the golf

ball.

>> Speaker C: I wasn't gonna say that, but I agree.

>> RB: Some capacity they have to be able to control the

golf ball. Now, I don't know if you have a golf

ball. It's only for the PGA Tour players to where, you

know, it scales them back a little bit, because you want

people to get involved in our side of it. Right. So you have

the normal golf ball that people can hit it as far as they want it, because in reality,

you're not gonna hit it as far as they are. But I think

that is the one answer to the PGA Tour

is scaling that ball back. Because that's the

fact that's the deciding factor in all this.

>> Speaker C: The. There's.

Yeah, I agree. Um, the equipment also

plays a huge role, and I don't think they're ever going to do anything about

that, just because I think that's a lawsuit waiting to happen

with all these equipment companies, obviously that's how they make money,

but, um, you know, trying to sell us on everyone hitting

it 10 yards longer every year. But yeah, um,

the ball, I think if you made it

spin more so that it's harder to hit

it straight for. I mean, between the equipment and the golf ball now, like,

the guys, they have such an easy time hitting it straight. You

do not, like, have to shape shots. I mean, it's so much

easier than it used to be. So make it spin more so

that they don't have as much control over direction. It makes the

guys who are the better ball strikers really stand out.

Um, makes it harder in tougher conditions

maybe, but I don't know that I've looked at so many of

the articles and the studies they've done on rolling the ball back, and

I don't really know distance wise, that

it would actually affect those guys that much. You

know, maybe 15 to 20 yards. That's not changing

things.

>> RB: Mhm.

>> Speaker C: In a crazy way for them.

>> Jonathan: I guess. And this might be dumb

to look at it from this angle, but I

don't disagree with what either of you said. I mean,

they've been talking about this golf ball rollback for a while

now, but on the other side of it

is. And this. I'm not asking, this

is, I don't want to say this is a rhetorical question, but

what is the issue with them continuing on this

path of. Now we have someone shooting 40 under.

We have someone shooting 38 under. What. What is the issue

with them? You know, I, I

don't know. Again, I'm not saying that it's, uh,

it's. It shouldn't matter. Um, definitely.

But what's, what's the opposite

side of this whole story?

>> Speaker C: I think that the, the golf purists

just traditionally want

the amazing golf courses, you know, an

Augusta, uh, um, an old course like these

places that are just icons of our game

to withstand the test of time. And there's

something, again, these, you know, the golf purists

really don't want low scores being shot. I would tell you

that even at Pelican, if the scores are too

low, certain in a couple of the different years past,

like we want to make the greens faster or we want to do something

different to not have someone winning at 30

under par. So I don't know if it's a pride thing from

the golf course itself or

I don't know, but I think there's something

that makes sense.

>> RB: Yeah. And you look at what Oakmont's doing This year bash in our

backyard, um, with US Open coming

up. That's all I hear all the members from there talking

about is it's going to be the hardest U.S. open in history. And

it's like every U.S. open

in the last 20 years. And you're not

any different. They're just that

good.

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> RB: And you can speed the greens up.

You might lose a couple shots here and there, but in

reality you can make it par five.

You know, number 12 at Oakmont's probably 660

or 650. Now with the tease move back or whatever it

is. They're gonna hit it in two, dude.

>> Speaker C: Yeah. And ultimately I think for those guys,

you don't necessarily have to make it a million yards

longer, you know, and add all these. Everyone's always adding new tee boxes and

doing all these things to these golf courses. Right. But you know,

if you grow the rough up and you make the greens really

firm and fast. Look at like when US Open

was at Shinnecock. Remember when Phil stopped his ball from rolling off

the green? I mean.

>> RB: Mhm.

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> Speaker C: They can make without it being

another 500, 600 yards.

>> RB: Yep.

>> Jonathan: So we had.

Speaking of US Open, um, we

had DeChambeaus caddy on

after he won the US Open last year.

>> Speaker C: That's pretty cool.

>> Jonathan: And so great. So he's talk telling us about.

I forget what I asked him. I asked him something about Sunday

round or something or I asked him if he thought

about not hitting driver because remember he's blown it

everywhere and he said no. He

never once thought that. But the issue

was that he

was uh, changed heads before the

round and the, the

head that was on the driver was actually.

>> RB: It was a five, it was a five degree. He uses a six degree

head and it was a five degree. And they had no clue and they.

>> Jonathan: Had no idea measured that.

>> Speaker C: He's so particular about that stuff.

>> RB: Crazy.

>> Jonathan: I know.

>> RB: They said they went through, he. He went through four heads on the

range and he hit I think three

balls with each head. And then finally the one head that he was

watching on trackman was right. He just

put it in the end of the round. They realized it was a five degree

head.

>> Speaker C: That is crazy. However,

I did not like Bryson very much and it had nothing to do

with the live versus PJ Tour thing. I just sort of thought he was like a little

annoying for a while when he won. And I

know some people had the opposite reaction. I

became so obsessed with him and his. He's just so

entertaining.

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> Speaker C: Like give me more. Give me More people like that on Tour, even

on the women's side of the game, like, I want to see more personality

and, you know, he doesn't have to be on YouTube and doing all this stuff.

And, I mean, how entertaining is he?

>> RB: Well, I think, too, for. I think

I said this before on the podcast, is

that. That felt like, all

right, the PGA Tour and live. Watching BRYSON in that U.S.

open, it felt like, all right, PGA Tour and live are coming together, and he's the

guy that's making the happen. Because every.

It didn't matter if you were a live PGA Tour fan, whatever you

are. Everyone was going nuts for that guy.

And it was fun to watch. I mean, it

was so fun to watch that guy in that event.

>> Speaker C: Just. And then the whole, like, after effect, you know, some people were like, oh,

he's being fake. You know, him with Johnson, Wagner,

Johnson hitting that shot. Like, and then he's, you know, going in the

neighborhood and having everyone, like, the whole.

>> RB: Awesome.

>> Speaker C: Yeah, more of that.

>> Jonathan: That's. More of that.

>> Speaker C: Needs.

>> Jonathan: Yeah. 100. You're right. I mean, he.

He does it right. And I think a lot of people probably

would agree with what you just said. I mean, I think he probably rubbed a lot

of people the wrong way, maybe early on.

Um, but after seeing him open up a little bit and

start being the guy, being the face of the crowd

and wanting to interact with people and fans and

showing love, it's like,

hey, man, you got my stamp of approval all day long.

>> Speaker C: Yeah, 100. And even if it is fake, I don't care. He's good

at it.

>> Jonathan: It's a great actor.

>> RB: Well, you. I have to ask you a question, because you were the

only one out of the. These three have played in a, uh, in

a LPGA Tour event or PGA Tour

event. Um, getting into the Annika

at Pelican. What was that whole week like for

you? I mean, like you said earlier in the podcast,

you, um, tried the Q school thing.

Uh, you got to a point where just, hey,

I'm gonna go get a job. And now

you get to live a childhood

dream in a week. Um, what was that whole thing

like for you?

>> Speaker C: Yeah, that was so cool, that first. That was my

first year living in Tampa. And so through

our PGA section, so we have tournaments as. Ah,

just golf pros, people who work in the golf industry. If you're a member of

the PGA of America, we have different tournaments that you can

play in and you play for money, so we're pros.

But obviously, again, it's on a Smaller scale because it's

all people who are actually working. Um, and I had a great year,

and I won, um, our section championship and

qualified, so I got a spot in. It was, at the time, the

Pelican Women's Championship. So that was prior to us

partnering with Annika and gamebridge.

Um, and that was the first year of the event, so we didn't have spectators because

it was during COVID Members were allowed to

attend. Um, but, yeah, it was,

like you said, living out a childhood dream.

I'm beyond happy that I got

to experience that and can say that I played in the

LPGA Tour event. Um, but really

funny story. My husband

Justin, um, who, like I

said, runs Pelican, Um, we

met because I took lessons from him. So he

coaches some tour players, um, and is my.

I would say, unofficial coach. But,

uh, prior to the week

starting, you know, he says to me, he's. If

you know Justin, he has a very dry sense of humor. He says

to me, whatever you do, don't shoot 85.

I don't know why this was. He said to me, super

inspiring, right? So I'm feeling really prepared.

>> RB: Way to get him driven, right?

>> Speaker C: Yeah. With one of the girls that he teaches, Brittany

Altomare, who's an incredible player, incredibly, uh,

accomplished. And, um, we were playing a practice

round, and I hit it so well. I was

playing amazing, and, like, I hold out a

shot on. I don't know if you guys remember the fourth hole. It's just kind of like that long

straightaway par four. But I had hybrid, and I literally hold out for

eagle.

>> RB: I'm like, that's his favorite hole.

>> Speaker C: I'm, um. Like, we're. Who is favorite hole?

>> Jonathan: Me, actually.

>> Speaker C: Are you being sarcastic?

>> RB: No. He birdied it. We've played it three times or four

times. Buried three or four times.

>> Speaker C: That's pretty good.

>> Jonathan: I like that. Green can be tricky,

but anyways, go ahead.

>> Speaker C: That's okay.

>> Jonathan: Um, so you. You make Eagle 4.

>> Speaker C: We're having a great practice round. Uh, you know, things are going

well, and then, you know, day of comes, and

I was nervous, obviously, but it's hard to

anticipate how your nerves are going to

manifest in that situation. Um, and, you know, I've

played at a high level many times and many

different events, but this was definitely different. You know, people are all standing

around the tee, and you're playing with other tour players, and I

feel, like, a little out of place because I'm like, oh, I'm just, you

know, a golf pro here bothering you.

Um, but anyway, So I stand up. I was very nervous,

but it ended up being that I had no feel around

the greens. Like, I literally. So I was hitting it fine.

Um, I felt like I couldn't feel my hands

when I got to if I had hit a chip shot or a putt. So

it was atrocious. I mean, like, I could not do anything right

around the greens that day. And I shot 85.

So,

um.

Wow.

>> RB: To the original comment, what did Justin

say to you when you shot that?

>> Speaker C: Um, I remember walking off. I was obviously

very unhappy. So I remember

walking off the 18th green there, and,

uh, he's like, oh, six. You know what you

shoot? And I said 85. And he's

like, literally, like, looked at me. I think he might have even been

like. And walked away.

M. But anyway,

I redeemed myself day two. I did not make the cut, obviously, after shooting

85 day one, but redeemed myself day two. I think I shot,

like, even or one over par the second day.

>> RB: That's awesome.

>> Jonathan: Wow. That's. That's playing.

>> Speaker C: Yeah. So, like, I can. I can play golf.

It's in there somewhere, but, you know. Yeah,

but, uh.

>> RB: So difficult.

>> Speaker C: It's so hard. And having, you know, these

experiences and playing and trying to, you

know, maintain your own game as a coach really does help

you empathize with people that you're teaching, because,

you know, you might not be teaching even a college player, but someone

who's gonna go play in a match play thing at their club or

their club championship, they feel the same way that I

felt doing that. And so I'm better

equipped to help them manage that

mentally, uh, than other players might be.

>> RB: Well, it's. It's funny.

You. Everyone's friends do this. How can that

guy shoot 82 in a major?

>> Speaker C: No, you don't understand.

>> RB: You shoot 90 whenever there's nobody

around. You will not break 110.

>> Speaker C: No. When Dustin Johnson was number one in the world, remember, he shot

80. I don't remember where he shot 80, but he shot 80. So

he's the best player in the world. I mean, it

happens.

>> Jonathan: Well, and that's the. That's the part of golf that's like,

you. You can't. You can sit there and give someone

drills. You could have them feel certain

ways, um, which, more than

likely, you know, these guys are going out and playing

for fun, you know, playing a little Nassau.

But you get in a little bit of a tournament,

a competition where the. The ball has to hit the bottom of the

cup, and every stroke

counts. It's a different type of game.

>> Speaker C: Yeah. Now all of a sudden, we're not scraping eight foot

putts.

>> Jonathan: No. And, and I,

I know all about that because I, I'm still an

avid amateur enthusiast. Like, I love

signing up for shit and playing whatever I can play.

>> Speaker C: That's amazing.

>> Jonathan: I just like the competitive nature of it. I love it.

And, um. But it doesn't

matter how many times you play in something where it counts.

When you get on that first tee box,

you got the nerves a little bit.

>> Speaker C: Yeah.

>> Jonathan: You got a little bit of nerves.

>> Speaker C: Yeah.

>> Jonathan: And then I, I know what you're saying on the putts,

you know, sometimes you have that feel, but whenever that.

>> RB: Counts, it feels that much better.

>> Speaker C: Yeah.

>> Jonathan: Or you don't have any feeling at all.

>> Speaker C: Anytime you're, like, leveling up your game. You know, I remember even

playing junior golf, you know, going from playing in local

tournaments to playing in an ajga, um, or

going from playing an AJGA to playing in a college

event. Um, you're just a little more nervous until

you get used to it and kind of figure out how to manage

your nerves. But that is so

important, I think, for people to learn. It's a

learned skill to manage your emotions and manage your nerves on the golf

course, just like it is learning how to hit a chip shot or hit a

bunker shot. Um, you have to practice and kind of

figure out what your feel is and what works for you.

>> Jonathan: I will say, though, and Pep always says this to me

whenever we're playing, you know, like, just swing, free it

up. You know, don't, don't, don't think about it.

You know, don't change what you've done to guide you to this point. Keep doing

what you've done. And I think whenever,

if, if you can grasp that concept,

um, it does kind

of make sense because I, I, I played in the live

Pro Am at the Greenbrier a couple years ago. I played with Peter

Uline and then Scotty Vincent on the back nine. But

I was the nervous, that most nervous I've ever

been playing in a, in a golf

event and teeing off on number one at the old white.

>> RB: And you paid them to play and.

>> Jonathan: I paid to play. But I'll tell you this much. I played

great. I played great. And the

reality is, is I was just swinging free. It

was like, you know, I was with these guys, but at the end of the day, they don't, they didn't

care how my golf swing looked or whatever. But, you

know, when you can conceptualize that free Feeling

it does. But that's the mental aspect.

>> RB: Well, Bob Rotel is a good friend of mine,

uh, my family's. And that's what he always

says whenever. When you're watching a PGA

Tour event and you're seeing a player try to win

for the first time or in a major,

they're trying to win their first major, watch how much the

routine changes on 15 to

18. And you didn't read the putt from

behind the hole that got you to this point. Now all of a sudden

you're reading it from behind the hole

because it's no more important than the first putt on day

one. But we are, we make it more

important. And that's the thing as a, as uh, a player,

you have to understand is that the next shot's the most important.

It does. And stick to your routine. Those PGA

Tour players, they have their routines timed perfectly.

Forty seconds, whatever it is.

>> Speaker C: I mean that's an underrated part of Tour players games for

sure. Like you said, I mean if you timed their routines,

it might be different from putting to chipping to full swing,

but it is. If it's 20 seconds, it's

always 20 seconds. Exact same

rehearsal every single time. They're visualizing

or saying the same thing to themselves in their head every time.

Uh, whether that's picturing the target, saying the target

to themselves in their head, picturing their shot shape like a shot

tracer. You know, there's so many different tips and tricks that everybody can,

can try out. But um,

those players are better at using their

skill because they are better at the mental side of

it.

>> RB: Mm mhm. And that's why

Tiger woods, how

mentally strong that guy was is insane

ridiculous. To be able to. All the

off golf course stuff that he, whatever, we

won't get into that. But doing all that stuff and, and

being able to come on the golf course and be the

best he was is absolutely incredible.

>> Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. I mean

his dad obviously played a huge role in

his character in that, in that manner. But

um, you know, I think that

teaching even kids when they're younger to start

to picture what's going, going on with their shots. You

know, it can be really simple little stuff. Like I, for example, with kids

we'll use like hula hoops. Can you chip the ball into the hula hoop and get

it from the hula hoop? Right. So giving them kind of a

better imagery for then when they get older, they have a better

picture in their head of what they're trying to accomplish. And

um, because I Think I really believe visualization is so important.

But, um, you know, you hear all the stories about Tiger and his

dad's, you know, dropping stuff in his backswing, and I'm sure

there's other stories, but we haven't heard. But

he certainly was the toughest of them all.

>> RB: For you as a teacher, what's the one

part of the game that you enjoy most with your

students?

>> Jonathan: Um.

>> Speaker C: It'S hard to say. I do really like teaching putting because I think it's kind

of not touched on enough. And most people

wouldn't consider taking a putting lesson unless they have the

yips or something crazy. But,

um, that is by short game stuff is

by far the fastest way that you can drop your score. Like, once you can hit the

ball forward, figure out how to get it in the hole faster

from 50 yards and in. And if you can be better

at that, I guarantee you your handicap will go down.

So, um, I think that's the most rewarding from

a. Working with someone who actually wants

to get better. Uh, some people just take lessons because

something to do, you know, fun,

fun to go practice once a week, and they don't really

work that hard at it. But the people who actually want to get better, the short

game stuff is a big deal.

>> RB: Well, if you, you look at these practice rounds that all these

PGA Tour players, all the people that are listening to go to a PGA Tour

event, watch how much more time they spend

around the green than anywhere else on the golf

course. Um, they're dropping two, three

balls in a bunker or pitch shots.

Um, a lot of those PGA Tour players or LPGA

Tour players or Korn Ferry Tour players

play the golf course from the green backwards.

>> Speaker C: Exactly.

>> RB: So, um, it's interesting,

like you said, I mean, people your 10

handicapper could drop down to a 7 if they

really focused on their. Their putting.

>> Speaker C: Yeah. And then even strategically, like you're saying, for a

practice round, you know, um, I've caddy for my sister a lot, who played at

University University of Florida and has played at an incredibly high

level. Caddy for her twice at Augusta.

Um, and.

>> Jonathan: Wow.

>> Speaker C: Yeah. And, uh, she, you

know, doing. I learned a lot from just caddying

for her as well. Even more so than my

own game, just because you see it in a different way when you're

caddying versus playing. But the other

thing that people don't consider is

you need to figure out where the best place to miss

is around a green. So at your home course, even

think strategically, like, where's the easiest shortcut

Shot from around this green. And then

maybe when we're selecting our shot, our club, whatever

it is, into the green, making sure that. And it's not

negative to say if I miss, I want to miss

here. Right. We're not saying like, oh, I don't want to hit it in the water.

We're going to say long left is the easiest chip

shot here. So if anything, maybe I'm gonna take a little extra

club and err on the left side of the green.

Right, Right. Um, those are also little things that can save

people shots. And that's where you see those guys on tour and girls

on tour hitting a lot of those practice shots from

are the spots that are the goodness good

miss.

>> RB: So it's funny you mentioned that. When I played

in College, I called Dr. Tella and I said, doc,

I said, how do these PGA Tour players

hit your 50 yard bunker shots? Like, I'm struggling

with this. And he said, it's really easy, Jonathan. He said,

it's called course management. He said, they

don't hit it there. And I

said, okay. Uh,

okay. Which he's right. I mean, you think about

that. Everybody. That is the hardest shot in

golf is your 50 yard bunker shot. And you never see

a PGA Tour player have to hit one because they're either hitting it short

or over. It's back to your managing

the golf course.

>> Speaker C: Yeah. And you can even get really specific, uh, Scott

Fawcett, who created Decade Golf, you can get really, really

into, uh, into the weeds in terms

of being very strategic at a high

level. But forget, um, who, what tour player I was

talking to about this may have been someone on Liv, I don't

remember. But, um, was talking to either a coach or a caddie. And

I think it was Jason Bale who coaches, he coached coaches.

Peter Yuan, actually. Um, and they were, he was talking about

how when they go to an event, they use that and they can

figure out, based on the width of the fairway,

whether or not he should hit driver because

of the dispersion pattern of his driver. So again, like,

at a really high level, you can get super specific on

how to best manage the golf course, uh,

even with stuff like that.

>> RB: So caddy and Augusta for your sister. So your

sister played at the University of Florida. She's still there or

graduated last spring.

>> Speaker C: So she's playing mini tour stuff now.

>> RB: What's it like to caddy for your sister? How cool is that?

Caddy for your sister at Augusta, I'm assuming in the.

Is it called the Azalea Tournament?

>> Speaker C: The Augusta. The Women's Amateur. Yeah, yeah,

yeah. Um, that

was one of the coolest, coolest things I've ever done my

whole life. And sharing that with her was. It was

ridiculous. The first year, uh, because they do

the first two rounds at Champions Retreat, which is, like,

half hour away, um, from

Augusta, and then there's a cut. So there's two rounds,

a cut. Then everybody, whether you made the cut

or not, gets to play a practice round on Friday at

Augusta, and then the final round is Saturday,

so there's a practice round in the middle of the tournament,

uh, which is kind of unique, but, uh,

first year, she did not make the cut. She missed by one.

This year, she. Or this past year, uh, she made the

cut, and she was in contention on Saturday. She was,

I think, three under on the

round through eight holes at

Augusta, which just, like, the whole experience

of showing up there. I got to go put on. You go in

the caddy room. I get the white jumpsuit. They fit me for my

white jumpsuit. Like, so cool.

And then she and I were both so, like,

overwhelmed and nervous and excited on

the range. I mean, it's literally like being at a gust

on Sunday. Like, you get to use the. The,

you know, players range. And she and I were, like, so

amped up, we went and sat. They have these little, like, tables under

an overhang on, uh, the range. And so we kind of just

like, went over and sat and tried to, like, soak it all in

for a second.

>> RB: That's so cool. Cool.

>> Speaker C: Um, and then walking over, you know, to the first

tee, through the building there and

seeing, um, they had all of the women

who are members at Augusta in their green jackets, sitting on

the tee, like, right behind the tee. All these people are there just

as many, honestly, as at the Masters.

Um, her name up on the little

slide board, like, it was so cool. And she kept saying.

She's like, what if I top it off the tee? And I'm

like, it's going to be fine if you top it. We're just going to go hit it

again. Nothing's going to happen. No one's going to kill you.

Like, I'm still going to love you. It's all going to be good.

>> RB: It's all good.

>> Speaker C: Yeah. And it was great. And she really played very well. She kind of had the

hooks with her driver going into the week, and so

that, uh, manifested starting on the ninth hole, she was

playing great. Again, in contention. I think she was tied for second

through eight holes on Saturday and then hooked one

in the trees, left on nine, which is just dead. Made

double, and then made kind of a silly double on 11. But

it was still just, like, the most magical day. We had so much

fun.

>> RB: And then that's the week before the Masters. Correct. Like,

it's, like, leading into the Monday.

>> Speaker C: Saturday drive, chip and putts on Sunday, and

then that's Masters week.

>> Jonathan: Shoot. Yeah, that. That'd be. What an

experience that is.

>> Speaker C: Yeah. That was wild. Um, learned

so much and had just, seriously, the most amazing

time.

>> RB: That's so cool.

>> Jonathan: Yeah, I. I've. Every time I play

with somebody that's played there, because I've never played

there, um, I always ask them what. What's one thing about

the place that they thought differently

after being on it as opposed to

before? And some people. Patty Maroon

said 16 is not downhill.

>> RB: But, uh, I think he's confused.

>> Jonathan: I think he. I don't know what.

>> RB: He's confused.

>> Jonathan: Yeah, because he. He went there, like, wake

up. Maybe he meant 15.

>> Speaker C: He must have meant 15. Yeah.

>> Jonathan: Uh, yeah.

>> RB: I think he had too many high noons in that conversation.

>> Speaker C: Yeah. Maybe that sounds about right for

him, because I. I.

>> Jonathan: Pep and I froze for a second, and we're 16.

>> RB: We're like, wait a minute.

>> Jonathan: Wait. So I say. I

say, oh, so it's level. And he goes, yeah, it's level.

But meanwhile, I'm like, I didn't think it was

ever downhill.

>> Speaker C: So you must have been talking about what. What?

>> RB: I think he had to have meant 15 because

that's the only approach shot coming

down the stretch. I mean, you're. You've been there. That

would be the only one that I would think that's downhill

15. 16's, uh, level. 17's a

little uphill, if anything. And.

>> Speaker C: Yeah, everything's uphill. Yeah.

Other than 15.

>> RB: So he lost. Other than that, he's lost.

>> Speaker C: That's okay. Well, but I would. I think the. The

most shocking thing is if you haven't been on the property before, the

undulation there you can't see on tv. I mean, it is. The. The

elevation change on those holes is

crazy.

>> Jonathan: Yeah. Well, yeah, we.

>> RB: We were.

>> Jonathan: We went a couple times to go watch, and that was the first.

The first time that I actually stepped foot on property. That was the one thing

that, you know, it's. It's

not. It's very undulated. It's very hilly.

>> Speaker C: Yeah. And there is such a premium there on

hitting the ball in the right part of the green. If you don't have control over

your golf ball there, I'm to you.

>> Jonathan: Hey, I want to ask you because I know we're kind of running.

Running here, but, um, so with Golf

Pass, you know, you work with the Golf Channel,

you got your own kind of network thing. You know, people. What is it? People

could subscribe to you on Golf Pass and

you kind of give playing lessons or. How's that work?

>> Speaker C: Yeah. So Golf Pass is just a yearly subscription that

anybody can have. It gives you access to making tee times at different

golf courses and then has a whole library

of content, ah, on there from

a wide array of coaches that have worked with them over

time. So, um, lots of different

amazing coaches. But you can go on and watch all the video content. I think

it's like 99 bucks for the year.

Um, so there's lots of cool perks with that. And then some of the stuff is on

Peacock as well on the app, Ah, that you can go

on on your tv. And then,

um, some of that content they've now pulled to

Golf Channel. So somehow I lucked out

and a lot of my stuff is on Golf Channel now, which was not originally

supposed to be the case, but, um, that's been kind

of neat to get more of it out there. But I just film with them a couple times a

year, and I've got my own show with them now and

quite an adventure.

>> Jonathan: So do you think we'll ever see you? Maybe, uh, you've already

done this, like, on the course, walking around,

interviewing people or, you know, doing

play by play. You know, like, Dottie Pepper's out there now. It's going to be

Natalie Sheehan.

>> Speaker C: Um, I actually did do kind of a walk and talk

with, uh, with Tom Abbott from Golf Channel at

our event this year at Pelican, and really

enjoyed. That was fun. And,

uh, it was easy chatting back and forth with him, so that was

great. Uh, one thing I am interested in doing.

Last year I went to Valhalla for the PGA

Championship, which was cool for a number of

reasons. Uh, mainly also because that was when Scotty got

arrested in that whole ordeal. But,

um, I did with

espn and I actually did instruction

during the coverage on their featured

groups. So if you were watching

espn, it has, like, all the different little screens

up and in between shots and in

between polls, I would pop in

and do a drill, describe a shot the guys were going

to hit, hit a shot, talk, uh, about how someone at

home might learn from or relate to what they were

doing. Um, so I'm hoping to do more of that,

um, going forward. I think that's a Kind of fun

and engaging way to make the broadcast a little more

interesting and people at home.

So maybe not necessarily, uh,

commentating, but hoping to do something like that.

>> Jonathan: That's cool. I just was curious because, like I said, I saw

you kind of were linked up with them and whatnot

and just didn't know how that was, how that was gonna shape

up in the future.

So, yeah,

we do have to finish the show here with

our standard tap in segment, Natalie,

uh, which is presented by Betonardi Golf. Check them out

online@betnardi.com Pep's gonna ask you a few questions that

demand your quick response here, and, uh,

we'll take it away from there.

>> RB: All right. Least favorite club

in Y3 wood.

>> Speaker C: I always have hated it. I have pictures of

topping it in my head still from when I was

younger.

>> Jonathan: It's a tough one, I guess.

>> RB: All, uh, right. Music or no music on the course.

>> Speaker C: I know.

>> RB: Pelican. No music.

>> Speaker C: You can, you can, you can. I. Paliki, but no music

for me.

>> Jonathan: That's fair.

>> RB: All right. Dream foursome, dead or alive.

>> Speaker C: I gotta be politically correct. I can fix some good ones here.

Um, I've been lucky enough to play with

some of some people that are really cool, but,

um, I would love to play

golf with Butch Harmon, um, or just

hang out with him. I don't even know if he really plays golf anymore.

I really should know this, like, off the top of my head, but,

um, a president would be cool to play with

any president. My husband got to play with Trump, which was really

cool.

>> RB: That's awesome.

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> Speaker C: Um, who would my other one be?

This is bad. I gotta think about this more. I should have this, like, rattle to

the box.

>> Jonathan: That's a tough one.

>> Speaker C: We.

>> Jonathan: We can admit. You can have a threesome.

>> Speaker C: Yeah. There we go.

>> Jonathan: Perfect president, Butch Harmon and you.

>> RB: All right, last one. What are you chasing?

>> Speaker C: Just to create more golfers. That's what I'm. I'm

after. Uh, my. My kind of passion for this

year. My thing I'm moving towards is. Is getting more women who

are in business to play golf so that they have more

opportunity in whatever they're doing

in their corporate life.

>> Jonathan: I love that. And that's. That's

it, man. We got to keep growing the game, and that's partly what

we're trying to do too. So.

Um. But, Natalie, it was awesome having you on,

girl. We really appreciate you carving out some time.

>> Speaker C: Hopefully next time you guys are at Pelican, we can tee it up.

>> Jonathan: Yeah, let's do it. For sure. Yeah, we'll definitely get it in.

And you have a, uh, you know, continue on

your path this year and wish you the best of luck.

>> Speaker C: Thank you.

>> RB: Fantastic. Fantastic interview. Thank you,

Natalie, for coming on. We appreciate it.

Can't wait to see you, pelican. Maybe you can take a look at our

swings, um, on the range next time,

um, because we all need some

help with that.

>> Jonathan: Um, yeah, no, it was awesome having you on, and

we do appreciate it. Very good.

Very good.

Uh, episode here on Chasing Birdies, I must say, you know,

it's funny about golf. I was thinking about just

what I do, what you do whenever we're practicing.

You know, I know I practice more than you, but it's all about

feels, you know, and, like, there's no wrong answer,

you know, in golf, it's like if

you create this drill that. That gives you

this feeling of where you need to be at impact or

on, uh, the top, your backswing or something. Like, if it works for

you, then it's not

wrong. And, you know, I think that's. That's

cool. I don't know. I don't know any other sport where it's like that.

Maybe. I don't know.

>> RB: Yeah, you're completely right. I also like what she

brought up, which was. It's very interesting. I never really

thought of it until she made mentioned it. Um,

was how good, you know,

your Butch Harmon's, your leadbetters, the world

really are, because they didn't necessarily have that

technology that all these teachers

nowadays have, and they. They kind of had to know where

that positioning was without drawing it. And line. You

know, lines this, that, and the other. Um, so

that is a good point that she made.

Um, now that you look back on it.

>> Jonathan: Yeah, no, it's just change everything.

And, like, putting, you know, she really enjoys teaching

short game, and I think more people need to kind of drink the Kool

Aid in that, because that is where you're gonna save strokes. But

for me, putting is like art.

You know, there. There. There is a specific

speed and line on every

putt that will put the ball in the hole.

There's no two ways about it. You just got to find that

speed in that line. But every putt

can go in the hole.

>> RB: Correct.

>> Jonathan: And, you know, and that's. That's the big thing that I

think, for me specifically, I like to really.

I believe that it's like,

there's a pathway here. You know, it's like driving to your

house. But I just get on the road. It's going to get Me there.

>> RB: Well, and I feel like, you know,

the strong suit of your game. Huh. Is

generally putting. Do you feel like

you've gotten away from that a little

bit over the last couple years? And, um, I'm just on the outside

looking in. But do you feel

like part of that's because you have. You. You don't practice

that part of it as much?

>> Jonathan: Yeah, I think the last couple, two. Two

seasons specifically, I just. I've kind

of gone through the change with the putters, you know,

really putting the bet Nardi in, which I love, and getting

acclimated to that. I putted very well with

my Scotty back for years, and

I had great success with that betonardi.

And fast forward now I got the new

Bednardi, um, that I've been

using, so I don't think so much it's about

me in terms of my, um,

my how I approach it. It's just a matter of

me now looking at a couple different things

and feeling confident with. With certain putts,

because at the end of the day, that's what

you got to think. You got to think this putts going in. You got to stroke it. You got

to have confidence in that. And. And,

um, I think that's where a little bit of my

fall off has happened. But. Yeah,

um, but I still like it. I still like

it.

>> RB: But, like, you know, Natalie said that is where you

can make up a lot of shots in the

round of golf.

>> Jonathan: Absolutely.

>> RB: You know, like I said, you watch these PGA Tour practice rounds.

Everybody from Pittsburgh going to the U.S. open. Watch how much

time these guys spend on the greens opposed to hitting

tee shots, hitting approach shots. Yeah, they're getting

a feel for the greens. They're spending 20 minutes,

25 minutes around that green, uh, hitting different pitch

shots, hitting bunker shots, bumping runs,

whatever, getting creative. It's because that's

the most important part of the game. Yeah, like,

but I. I get it. You can hit a 350. That's fine. That's

great. Can you get up and down from, you know,

20 yards?

>> Speaker C: Yeah.

>> Jonathan: Get that thing in there.

>> RB: Uh, so without further ado,

I'm gonna probably see this Saturday, bud.

>> Jonathan: Well, in other news, this week, we, uh, celebrated, uh,

the birth of our dear friend Brandon Katsif.

Uh, on this past Monday, the 13th, Mr.

Katsif turned 40, and, um,

so, naturally, we celebrate. We celebrated in November. We

celebrated a couple weeks ago. You. You'll celebrate tonight. We're

gonna celebrate Saturday. Um, so

hopefully he remembers this time in his life when he turned 40.

Because I know I will. And it's been great.

I love it. So happy birthday, BK. I hope

a couple days in the 40 is treating you all right.

>> RB: Yeah. Okay. Happy birthday, buddy. We love you. You're

the best. Um, the best. Yeah, I feel like I've been

celebrating. It's been November, but.

Yeah, early November, actually. Not back to

Napa. We'll keep it rolling into

this Saturday.

>> Jonathan: Yeah, we'll, uh, we'll catch you up at the peak at

Nemicolon, uh, which, by the way, in the

event you people out there there are looking for a little

pick me up over this winter season, especially if you're

local, make sure you check on over to Nemacol and Resort

in Farmington, Pennsylvania, where pretty, uh, much

anything you want is there. Check, uh, them out

online@nemacolan.com. check out

Gusto, the new Italian restaurant. Maybe roll down a nightcap

for a little burlesque or, uh,

you know, a little jazz session down there. And naturally, in the

summer months, the golf courses are

awesome. So nemicolon.com for all your needs, check

them out and maybe we'll see you up there.

But would love that

for all the loyal Chase and Birdies fans out there

who have. This will be coming up on our fifth

season in March. Fourth year, fifth season.

We are now elevating ourselves a little

bit so you'll no longer just

be, uh, listening to us. You'll be able to watch

all these episodes on our

YouTube channel in the near future. Probably give us a couple

months, but in the works right now to elevate our production

set here, which is gonna bring you a better

listening perspective. And frankly, it's gonna be more fun

for us to do these shows. And maybe we won't even do

shows. Maybe it'll be, you know, breaking news,

what have you. So stay tuned for

that and, uh, if you really want

to. And that's pretty much all I got

in terms of the announcements, but I love it, man.

>> RB: Ah, I love it. It was like, listen to my school principal.

Um, you know, Mr. Pepe, report to the

office. We go again. Um,

but everything you said, I second.

Um, so have yourself a great

next week and a half until you have to listen to us

again. Uh, chasing underscore birdies.

Tap it like it, follow. Um, as

Ryan said, we've got a lot of cool things coming up. You know,

you're gonna be able to watch a little bit more, uh, maybe some quick

hitters. And, uh, you know, we, we are

about a month and a half away from the first event of the year

at the Pine Needles Invitational, which. Good

job getting in, bud.

>> Jonathan: Oh, I was sweating.

>> RB: I mean, I had to. I had to pay Blair

to. To get.

>> Jonathan: Oh, shoot. Well, I look forward to that, bud.

And, um, and you guys out there, make sure

you check us out here on Chasing underscore

birdies.

>> RB: And.

>> Jonathan: And give Natalie Sheen a follow on Instagram. She puts

up a lot of great content. Uh, her handles natty

golf, so make sure you check her out as

well. And you guys enjoy your

weekend. Have a blessed and. And happy weekend.

And as always, we will catch you all in

two.

>> RB: Ciao.