It almost always comes down to the wallet.

And the wallet is the motivator.

People don't wake up in the morning and look in the mirror and say to themselves,

Everyone in this industry that I've met has good intentions when they go out.

But then the nuances of the industry just tend to hammer you and beat you down.

Welcome to the construction disruption podcast, where we uncover

I'm Todd Miller of Isaiah industries, manufacturer of specialty metal,

And today my co-host is Seth Heckman, also of Isaiah Industries.

Our goal here at Construction Disruption is to provide timely and forward looking

As part of that, we always look at new innovations as well as trends and

Basically, if we come across something that we think is going to be rising to the

Pleased that today on Construction Disruption, our special guest is Tim Seims.

Tim has a great deal of interest in and knowledge of construction.

Over the last 25 years, Tim has done sales for companies such as Builders

Tim has also been director of building products, intelligence for the new Home Trends Institute.

And he is currently self-employed with a variety of projects that he's working on for

One of his specializations is go-to market strategy for building products

And what's more, along with Carolina Albano he is also co-host of the

Tim, welcome to Construction Disruption.

Seth and Todd, thanks for having me.

After listening to so many episodes it's exciting to be here with you.

And I'm having a little bit of microphone envy.

I'm gonna have to get some mics like you guys have.

That's really cool setup you have, and I'm really grateful to be here.

Thank you again for joining us.

Yeah, I find I can hide behind it or something like that.

So if I don't shave, no one knows that's good.

Thank you again, Tim, for joining us today.

I really can sense that our conversation because of your breadth of experience in this space,

I just wanna start and ask, what do you really like about the construction industry

I know some of us were born into it and others just landed there.

But curious to know a little bit about your own history.

Yeah.

When I was growing up, my dad worked with a bunch of remodel companies and mostly did a bunch of

And I always said, I wasn't going to do that.

As a young person sometimes were at least I was like, I don't wanna

And as I'm getting, as I got older, actually.

Fell into a couple projects.

And I realized, oh, okay.

I do like this.

And it was really cool because then I had even more in common with my dad and

But that was how I got started.

And one of my favorite things about the construction industry is the low barrier to entry

There was a calculator I used to pass around James Hardy because one of the James Hardy things at the

And the calculator showed , okay.

During the time when all my friends were in college, as a young

But I had earned.

I earned a lot of money during the time they were in college.

And then I also didn't have any student debt.

And and I was having a lot of fun.

I could drive by projects and you could point to it, and say, Hey, I worked

You can see it from the street, the pro product I installed on the building.

So I just kinda love the artisanship and the pride that comes from that and how quickly

If they're interested in it.

Yeah,

know, that's a great perspective and I've never really thought

But yes the ease of getting involved in a, in an exciting industry that always has growth

I know one of the things I love too, is out traveling in the middle of nowhere

And I'm always telling my wife, I'm like, huh, I don't remember that project.

And she's Member all of your projects and I'm really you'd be surprised probably,

So very interesting.

So tell us a little bit about build perspectives.

I know you're you do that with Carolina Albano, who you have been associated with for a number

bet.

We originally started recording actually at the behest of Zach and Beth from the

So it just basically hit record and they sent us a little document that

And we were AIA and we actually walked by the Rockwell boat booth and anyone

They have that sound.

Dead mean tunnel.

And so we wanted to see what the sound was like, and we recorded like a little test.

Wow.

What a difference in the sound.

And so we're like why don't we talk about that?

And what talked about how so many people think AIA and these trade shows

And so that, that's what started it.

And we had good a good rapport, obviously still do.

And we both wanted to do the same things and we wanted to get content out there.

Most of it was around originally about we, we actually called it facades cast in the

But it turned into more kind of existential information about the industry.

And my dad had always used this saying that he said that there are four things you can never have

And I always thought perspective was really interesting.

So we I talk about that my whole life.

With the kids, you can't have too much perspective, and try and understand other people.

And so we thought how does that translate into the industry?

We got to talking about it and sharing different people's different stories and their linear or

Different ways to look at our own careers if we're already in the industry and then

So it's all about.

Trying to there's a book Chris Vos wrote, this says it's called never split the difference.

And it's a really a negotiating book, but he talks a lot about tactical empathy in that

So that's really what we endeavor to do and then share what we find and

It seems like so far folks have it's a lot of.

I

Wow.

I love that, trying to understand the other person and how life changing that is and how

But faith love, hope and perspective.

I've never heard that before.

I love it.

Good stuff.

Tell your dad's a wise man.

Nice man.

So I'm curious, switching into the consulting you're doing and the work

What are some of the projects, or can you share with us some of the things you've done

find that the consulting field, a lot of times, especially in the building product

That a lot of times they're purchasing research or getting consulting to

And so then you're crowdsourcing this information to, to make informed decisions.

And I love that.

I love the research and the market sizing and sort of dead aggregation that we,

But on the other hand, it's all about what people want and need for their business.

And everyone's trying to grow their business.

They have, there's all these different challenge there, even more challenges probably than

So everyone's basing all these things and there is a lot of research out there,

There's this.

Illustration in my mind at all times my optics on the industry and anything

And so a lot of times folks, for instance, wanna go after the biggest builder or the biggest GCs

So what we try to do is is in my mind, at least when I'm having these conversations

Where is the company?

Where are you as the leader of the company as a mindset on the adoption curve?

Okay.

And then from a vertical standpoint is finding, okay, here are the targets.

Here are the segments, here are the targets and here's where you wanna position for growth.

And the biggest part of that conversation is you could, as a deliverable to the client,

A lot of times consulting is about delivering the report and saying, let

But the next step is really to open doors, roll up the sleeves, get the right

And that's the framework that the conversations end up in.

And so that's what I find myself doing is making those connections so that

And that it's so important right now because in an effort to aggregate and streamline

Actually adding more layers and more complexity.

So now you have multiple layers in the prefab world where it's actually

In a lot of cases, it's making things more difficult and it's not the technology,

And so we're trying to knock down those barriers under the framework, often of NDAs to

I can't tell you how many times we work on products in this industry where

Research or voice a customer work.

But on the other hand, there's a lot of quality work in that regard.

So just trying to get that information and that framework in the right people's hands and then

know I love that idea that, Hey, I'm gonna bring people together

We've talked about that before with other guests also how much more we can accomplish when we

Great concept.

Very good.

I like that silent, siloed and competitive.

I'm gonna, I'm gonna remember that.

I was telling prefab.

Oh, so a volumetric modular manufacturer startup.

That's a lot of words altogether, isn't it?

Anyhow, we were talking about different things in the prefab world.

And one of the big bugga boos with prefab is the building envelope and

And so it, the, how do we get rid of the boxes, bags and buckets?

So I try to like group things like that.

So I can remember with the concepts.

I love it.

Boxes, bags, and buckets.

Good stuff.

So one of the things I've seen you write about recently, and I think you had also talked

I'm curious.

I'd love to hear about that.

I don't see that happening in our area here in the Midwest yet.

But would love to see where you're happening and where you're seeing that

Yeah it's a really interesting category because it's

Like a lot of other countries have had.

And I have to say a shout out to Mark Mitchell, and I'm glad he's feeling better.

And also great friend.

He's another one who encouraged us to do a podcast, just like he says,

And so that's what we did.

And he's been a great positive influence on Carolina and I, and of

So when we think of the build for rent space, there are some interesting constraints

And so for instance, with multi-family a lot of times you're dealing with syndicators

Different in how the capital is stacked and then you have the valuations are different.

So with and time horizon.

So with multi-family their time horizon is like a, typically a three to five

So they sell the, sell it and flip it in three to five years on average, and then

That's sold, there's a one year warranty.

If it's longer, it's usually a third party that carries the warranty.

So the builders kinda out the picture, they also depend a lot on the local cap rate for multifamily

When you look at single family bill for rent, they have typically those developers,

It's seven to 10 years if not longer.

They don't really when and oftentimes they're.

They're funding it fully themselves.

So it's a giant fund often a rolling fund or some institutional wealth

And so they'll buy or build these communities to spec just for bill to rent, but because

Cuz there are a lot of.

There's a lot of pressure be when you're dealing with so many investors into the fund to really

So there's, it's a different mindset with that product.

When they're coming in, they don't have to deal with typically when they're thinking

And then also they don't have to worry about appraisals and comps because they're not,

So they just kinda have a different way of thinking about it.

And so what that does is it frees them up to try different technologies.

It frees them up to deploy the capital in terms of asset allocation.

Maybe spread it to some manufacturing like prefab instead of just site build or take

Build the properties.

So they can look at these things a little differently from the lens really is

And when they, when you're, when they're building something for rent, there's

The other thing that's important is when they have really durable products, they're not having to

So when they're thinking that timeframe they don't want to do a capital call to

They need to have a good set of reserves and also durable products, so that they don't need to do

Except for just their quarterly normal calls until they sell the portfolio,

It just, that sort of, they're taking the friction out of that whole process.

At least that's the goal hasn't been easy because them getting out of the ground

So that's the highlights of the difference between the three segments and why it's such a fascinating

Foundations or first floors, they can use mass timber.

They could use panelized or kitchen and bathroom pods and they can of handle the deployment of when

But when you're dealing with a fund, you're just telling the investors

This is what we're doing.

So anyhow, that those are the biggest differences that I saw.

And I know it's a long Diri, but it's also a big segment.

So it kinda deserves a little air.

You

No.

It's very interesting.

And, so I have a better understanding of it now, again, haven't seen this happen here in our

One of the questions I was going to ask was, is there any opportunity for

But it really sounds one opportunity would be for a smaller investor to get involved with a

could see.

So there's a big demand amongst the build for rent.

Institutional money, especially because they're not builders.

The big demand is for strategics fee builders that are going in on the project with them,

So there's a lot of flexibility in finding the right fit.

Some markets, they might have a builder that's just working for them as a fee builder.

And they're just turning these communities over in another market.

They might do a joint venture because that's the only way they can get the project done.

But it's not sustainable for them to just keep buying homes from, for sale builders.

They're not built to go through thes as a single family rental like a for

Just cuz it's a, it's not built as a rental.

So it's that's how people can get it.

Now there across the country.

There's a whole, it's been around for a hundred years.

It's the renovate to rent.

Segment.

And that's how some folks get into this space from a grassroots level or Greenfield

Okay.

This set that concept's been around for a long time, but they do that 30 times.

Now they have a portfolio, they do that a hundred, 200, 300 times.

They may still be building for sale product, but they have this build

And then they could sell that whole portfolio to one of these bigger companies

And we've seen that progress by not only nationals, but the regionals and

So you can literally start with one.

Older home, fix up, lease it up and then do that a few times.

You can sell a portfolio as small as 20 or 30 of these homes, even if they're spread out

It sounds easy.

There's a lot, there are a lot of moving parts to make that happen, but

And one thing interesting to keep in mind about that is in Memphis.

I'll take one example.

There's a turnkey operation that does this.

They send out these mailers people probably get 'em all the time.

You guys might get 'em at your house.

Like we'll buy your home.

That's either a house flipper or a renovate to rent operator.

And in Memphis there's a renovate to rent operator.

I can't tell you who they are, but basically they have their own lumber yard.

They have their own pickers and polars.

They have their own prefab, they have their own procurement people,

And they go out and they fix up these homes.

They lease 'em up, they manage the property.

They get to a certain amount of time when it's stabilized, decide when,

Sometimes they'll flip it to an individual investor or a portfolio, or they'll just add it to

But that tells me, that, that lumber yard should know who these people are.

They may just seem like a remodeler when they come in, but treat them like the

Yeah,

Wow.

That's really been eyeopening for me.

I've just never thought about those different segments and also about how those different

Very, just never thought about this fascinating stuff.

just a few years difference in the whole time.

All of a sudden changes the perspective completely.

Yeah, very interesting.

You, one comment you made was traditional construction loans and the schedule and the

Of prefab.

Can you we've had modular construction, offsite kind of construction has

I'm curious.

Tell us a little bit more about that.

And our banks starting to get a little bit more flexible in response to skilled labor

Banks, aren't that conciliatory to.

Changing anything with how they lend in and they, frankly, they don't have

So it's either a self-funded, where basically it's of hard though, if you have 200 units

So that's why you see people starting rolling funds to be a bridge loan for the manufacturing,

That's not been their discipline cuz they're manufacturers, but they're getting more

So they, they need to keep that going.

And there are new factories coming on board that are also different handled differently.

Whereas instead of raising, 50 million or getting a commercial loan for part of

So there's there a lot of different creative things, right?

The banks, they have their place.

And I don't think that's gonna change that much, but it's gonna be more private money.

You could see like a rolling fund or even Dows and specs or looking at how can we get

With the money, so it's really a fascinating time for finance in the area, but it's still

know, I, the town I live in is a city of about 20,000 in a county of

But it was just announced yesterday that the city I'm in the 20,000 is getting a new employer.

That's going to employ about 1200 people.

And, I'm thinking about the strain.

That's gonna put on our housing stock.

And of these things you're talking about that right now are foreign to me because of this

So very interesting.

You might see a play out right in front of your eyes there.

And I think it's, I think it's important for manufacturers to think about this

And of course now part EFS, but they still kept their name.

It's called spin Bernard.

And one of their sales people really just specializes in working with.

Prefabs and and that whole, that kind of mindset now, mostly in the custom, but it's even on

Or you start to see this at events.

Like I saw advancing prefab in Phoenix last week, where manufacturers building

Those are so important because of that focus on if everyone's working on it, that's great.

But you end up getting diluted not diluted.

And so then and when people have that focus, the company's investing in it, then it's

And then.

They're first top of mind person when it comes to actually building the units and shipping

So I think it's so important in that.

And I'm grateful that the industry is seeing this as important, where you actually are

Very good.

So switching gears here, one of your recent podcasts had a topic that we

We had a couple of guests, crystal ager, and Catherine Prosci who are both

And we talked about changing weather patterns and how that's impacting the

I think it goes.

Beyond just the weather change.

That's necessitating that need for resilient construction to the fact that we simply

Curious is this something you're starting to see a lot of manufacturers

should.

Asked right now.

That's a really important question to ask right now.

And it's timely.

People say, oh, it's, it's late.

The construction industry's lad.

I've seen fascinating people do fascinating things in the industry.

And there's a lot of, there's a lot of development and understanding in the building sciences in

And people like Matt resinger and mark Willy and Dave Cooper have done a lot

I love their Dave Cooper, mark Willie's show on Friday's BS Fridays about

It almost always comes down to the wallet.

And the wallet is the motivator.

People don't wake up in the morning and look in the mirror and say to themselves,

Everyone in this industry that I've met has good intentions when they go out.

But then the nuances of the industry just tend to hammer you and beat you down.

But what we're starting to see this resilience and hardening of the structure.

Post construction.

And before construction and material selection be a more, an increasingly

And it build for rent comes into this too, because, and multi-family because

A couple years ago, Moodies acquired 4 27, which is a climate research firm.

And they do some really quality work, probably not unlike your guests do.

And that, that re those reports go to BlackRock.

They go to these big res and they go to the insurance companies mostly,

Okay.

And so your rates are gonna be this, or we're not even gonna offer you coverage for that.

You're gonna have to.

Ensure that scope folks, aren't gonna do that.

They're gonna make changes in the material.

They're gonna make changes in the wall assembly in the in the mechanical systems, whatever they

These things come into play now and insurance commissioners of the states, attorney generals,

And the department energy helps a lot with that.

So you take all this data and this mindset, and now you get money involved

Now you start to see movement.

It's not that people didn't wanna do it before, but there was just

And it's and it just didn't make sense or they just wouldn't build the

So when manufacturers are working with builders, it should understand.

And back to that tactical empathy, what the builders and the underwriters are really up

We're gonna hold it for three years while you put this together.

So they're factoring in these increases at a certain point.

It just doesn't pencil anymore.

So are they gonna sell the land or are they gonna change the product?

They're gonna change the product, but now they need help figuring out

Why should they be using it?

How does it dollarize into the, into their metrics and their figures.

Manufacturers need to understand that more than ever now.

And I am seen and folks have these conversations and I love it because it's exactly the

Curious, what are your thoughts as far as energy efficiency and also solar

Because for the builder developer, maybe there isn't so much of financial

Situation there certainly would be.

But I'm just curious, where do you see the incentives for energy efficiency and solar

We're not seeing any more energy coming to the grid as of any scale over the

And then you have electric vehicles, you can see that the market share of

Just of course is going up month by month at this point.

So you have all this all this increased demand on the electric grid.

But no supply.

Okay.

So now what do you do?

You can make a more efficient grid.

Okay.

That's happening.

You can see that in Texas, they realize they had a problem with that storm.

So they're making a more efficient grid which that's oversimplification as.

That's the extent of my knowledge about it too.

But when you talk, when you think about these communities of say, build for rent You and in

You need a clubhouse, you need an office, you need a maintenance person there.

You need, you have different parking things that come into play and so forth a pool,

So you have more understanding at the developer builder level at the same time,

We need energy storage.

We need solar.

We need solar, thermal.

We need geothermal whatever's right for that project.

We should be at least considering it.

Can we underwrite with that in mind?

Considering we're, if bill for rent, we're paying for probably 30% of the power with all the street

There are some rebates.

Could we maybe get some help from the city in terms of offsetting some of these costs over time

And more real of a conversation by builders.

You never thought it would have gotten involved with these products and strategies 10 years ago.

It's now part of the conversation and so different things have come up, like,

If we're gonna do this can we do solar on sidewall, different things like that, that people

So I think that it's a good timing for it.

There are other pieces that come into consideration for the building

Can it go like mostly off grid can other things that can happen to make these more resilient?

And then of course the insurance companies love that sort of stuff too.

So I think there's there a bunch of moving parts.

It's very exciting because it's gone from being retrofit type conversation to new

Yeah, it's very interesting.

So this morning, the Dayton daily news, which is our local big city newspaper

They were saying as soon as June for folks who are not on some sort of contracted rate they could see

So.

Probably see apparel purchases go up because people are gonna a friend of ours.

She her and her husband keep the house at 55.

And they're very diligent over the years about that.

We always thought it was hilarious.

You'd walk in the house.

They would give us a blanket.

We're gonna hang out and visit and have drinks.

And we're like, okay, it's freezing in here.

Me may see, have to see more people do that because you have to get the energy from

So I just said, there's a lot to consider in terms of supply and demand.

They're gonna get some of it from raising prices.

So people, are watching their checkbooks more and then they're going

Yeah.

Interesting.

And I lived through the 1970s energy crisis that thermostat.

Winter was down at 55 at night and no higher than 62 during the day.

And you adapted

And there was a lot of energy not nearly as much as should have been

And energy supply at that point.

And whether it was old school or nuclear or whatever, there was a

And then you, when times like this happen you tend to see more investment innovation

So another area where you're respected and people often go to you is something

I looked it up and kind understood it, but tell us what mass timber is.

I can't be the only one.

Who's not familiar with it.

You're not, it really is.

It's much more prolific or prevalent, I should say.

In Europe and parts of Asia.

Even in Brazil, there are some sizable mass timber projects, more in Canada.

And now in the us, you usually see that progress that way, like Northern Europe

And so you could look back 20 or 30 years, you could see that's where kind

A glue beam looks like solid on lumber, but it's laid up pieces of basically two by

And it's laid up in finger joint in layers, and it just makes for a much stronger stable beam

And they're very readily available.

There were some catalysts that brought that about you had in the fifties, you resin.

Innovation that basically made a, we, a weather resistant, a water resistant resident.

So that, that these beams that are out weather during construction, that they didn't fall apart.

You had basically span tables, universal span tables.

So anyone at a lumber Cilla glue land beam.

And then you had basically that, that, that matriculated outta Europe, into the United States,

So it's you see the progression.

Okay.

So everyone's familiar with those glam beams.

And so let's take thatam beam.

That's a vertical rectangle.

When you look at it from an end view and then just turn it on the.

If you turn on side and then you imagine these panels that are maybe eight to 12 feet wide,

They're just solid lumber.

I say solid.

It's laid up like a glue, a it's one layer of two by six or two by four is going one direction for

And then and then wood that's going oriented.

The opposite direction is alternating that way.

And there are other ones like Dow laminated, nail laminated, timber.

So these are diff all under the mass timber and technically the glue lamp beams that we're all

So we're just saying, like taking that small profile of a beam and making it

You can see an example of a simplification of this with chase banks.

So about a third of all new chase banks going in for the retail walk-in

What is it?

It's a four foot wide by 60 feet or 40 foot long by six inch deep.

Beam, but it's turned instead of bean vertical, it's turned on its edge for a sloped roof

And then you have this just beautiful wood grain.

When you look up you're in the bank and you're kinda like anxious about what's your balances

And if you've ever been in an Allwood building, you just very calming.

But the other part of it that's great is cement often, that's what it's displacing.

Especially in commercial construction.

For the floors and the walls and the roof, it, they uses a lot of,

It's a major carbon footprint issue.

Cement is okay.

It's odd, durable.

Great.

But it's a problem.

Whereas trees before they're milled, before the harvested milled, they take in carbon dioxide.

We all know that from school they take in carbon dioxide, that're out in the

So it's basically, they call it sequestered in that wood.

You harvest that wood, you saw it, you put it a building, you now you have a new tree growing.

That's gonna do the same thing as opposed to concrete and cement that

Cement carpet and tile are three of the worst for carbon footprint and building materials.

So we're two of those items are very Grounded in high kiln fired products.

So you're taking that all off the table and you're at, you're doing it in a wood.

So it's a double win because you're taking cement off the table and you're taking

And so that's why you see it becoming more and more prevalent from ESG standpoint.

It's beautiful.

People love it.

It's very, spany compared to concrete construction.

We see those costs coming down over time, but eventually in order for it to become really

That's how everything needs to go to single family residential before it can be really

So it's already starting to happen a little bit in Europe.

But it's gonna be several years before we see a lot of it in single family here,

Is this displacing my product?

How can I make something that would help this product?

How can I work on connectors or connections or design elements, or

Is there some way that I can augment that for the project, with my product so that

Wow.

Very well, thank you very much for that explanation makes makes sense to me now

I hope that helped

to look for it.

or didn't make it more complicated.

Nope.

Nope.

Helped great deal.

Thank you.

A lot of our audience members, we find our younger folks getting

And what we like to do is keep them on the cutting edge, bring them new information.

Any advice for them as far as things or people they should be paying attention to, or maybe

Yeah, there to me, there three entrance points that are pretty big and they're there's

And there's the counter salesperson at a lumberyard.

I see that as a kind of a pivotal and key role in the building industry.

There is the.

The initial kind of job at a lot of building product manufacturers is

Or they're calling on lumber yards before they start talking to

And then there's the entrant into the builder space.

They're starting out as maybe project engineer, or if they didn't go to college for any specific

And they're looking at what's my, what am I doing here?

And I think that.

A couple things that helped me when I first started in the industry.

One thing that helped me a lot was pro sales magazine and the articles that, that John and

And then understanding, really understanding the building product channel, books, like what Mark

Those are always good.

But one, one thing I think that is, is interesting and probably has legs that a lot of

I'll give you an example.

I went to, this is probably 10 years ago.

I was at Ginsler office in San Francisco and it was a big presentation.

It was like the biggest CEU presentation I'd ever done.

And I walk into one of the little offices and there are a bunch of Legos and there's

And.

That's that hasn't changed, so this is a very cool thing for manufacturers and the

Why don't lumber, billing, product manufacturers have those like rooms in their places

And then you see the other end of the spectrum where you have Lego and Ikea actually

Ikea did a.

Modular joint venture to provide housing where they basically have built F they

So you start to see this, okay, here's the younger group, here's some of the technology that

Those are not nothing.

Those should definitely be on the radar.

And then you have a people in the industry.

Then you have the, these sort of a legacy companies getting involved in construction.

Lego probably should have been doing that 30 years ago, but now they're starting to be like,

And help young people get more involved in this space.

And none of these people are talking to each other right now, but the hub of that could be.

The building materials, the big MBMS and the building product manufacturers.

And then what makes that even more interesting is some of these big SAS company acquisitions

So they could really attract more young people by highlighting those things and

Should we have someone that understands tokenization of building materials and

Two actual buildings and physical products and what that really means.

And there's more and more investment into this space than anything of the, the

So why not make that easier to make that connection and how, what that means to the

I could drive by one day and show my kids.

of our.

S was Travis FOS with helm group hel mechanical and Travis was hired by their company simply to go

And certainly as a part of that, they're gonna be more attractive to

Good stuff.

You look around a job site.

If you're a young person coming outta school or you're just like goofing off on

I remember seeing that on social media or on, that looks something I saw when I had my AR

They're just gonna keep driving.

But if say they see something that correlates to something they've seen digital.

Then that, that starts to make a connection.

And when you have people dedicated, like you were just describing to, to the tech piece of

has been fantastic.

We're really getting close to the end of our time here and I appreciate all of your time, Tim.

Before we close, I do wanna ask you if you'd be willing to participate

So this is seven questions.

Some may be a little silly, some are more serious.

All you gotta do is give us a quick answer.

You got it.

Fantastic.

Here we go.

we

would it.

I think I would trade places with.

Whoever's at the head of Lego.

And then I would just move way faster on getting involved in

That is fascinating.

Good stuff.

Question number two, your favorite meal.

Good answer.

Neat

Favorite meal is we live in Mexico now and I love tacos.

But one of my favorite meals, there is a, is a big Italian dish.

I wouldn't even remember the name of it.

My wife always orders it and and they nail it like it is so good.

And it has this big, this beautiful bona sauce.

And then this bread is so addictive.

I can only allow them to deliver one piece because I'll eat a whole loaf myself.

Yeah.

And, I think the key to that is that whenever you're eating with people

Ha

Number three.

Do you play a musical instrument?

I tried to learn guitar.

I like to ad lib with piano and harmonica, but my main instrument, it whether it's painful to

good stuff.

What is one of your best childhood memories?

Okay.

always camping.

So we, yeah, we didn't like a lot of people you didn't grow up with much, but we didn't

And so camping was huge.

And then my dad would always bring me to this place in Bellingham,

I'd give my mom a break.

And we went to a place called hardware sales in Bellingham and just

So I gave you two there.

ever been told you look like someone famous?

And if so, who.

I usually get either Jack Black or Jack Johnson,

Okay.

I see it a little

I can see that.

I can see that good stuff.

Bucket list vacation.

We

Iceland.

We've already been there.

So I guess so since we've already been there I would have to say now,

There's I forget what's called it a train you can take that goes to a bunch of the distilleries

I've only heard tell of this from friends that have gone and I'd love to do that,

have some friends, they were in Scotland, to go stag

I'm pretty sure they were scotch hunting

right.

exactly.

and they were very successful

Yeah.

They were very successful.

going.

All right.

Last rapid fire question.

Who is the friend in your life that you have had the longest.

Probably my friends Rob and Amber in Bellingham.

They're just like, we treasure people like that because they're so supportive,

And they're just always there.

Oh, good stuff.

Thank you again, been a real pleasure and enjoyed this a great deal.

Been very informative.

Is there anything we haven't covered today that you are hoping to cover?

One thing that I think we should talk about more or should be talked

And I really feel like that.

And and along with that, little labor shortage.

Bringing that perspective into industry super important and connected to that is, we have

Should manufacturers be translating their materials into Ukrainian or Russian more

And then there's a huge amount of folks on tribal lands that want to work,

And I like a factory or a mill or something like that.

There's a lot of untapped resource there.

So those are all related to.

Those are all great topics though.

Yeah.

Fantastic.

We'll have to keep those in.

Or future episodes too.

Thank you again so much.

Tim, if folks wanna get in touch with you, how can they most easily do that?

Most folks just send me a note on LinkedIn and I try to

And or they can text or call me at (425) 492-0973.

I get a lot of people just texting me out of the blue.

So I'm happy to respond on those and connect and help way I can.

Great.

Thank you.

And just as a mention for everybody of course we'll have this in the show notes, but Tim's

Why should why would we want it to be simple, right?

That's right.

And you gotta ha you gotta love the rhyming of Tim Sims.

That's fantastic.

Good stuff.

Thank you again so much for your time today, Tim.

This has been a great pleasure.

Thank you for having me.

I really appreciate the invitation.

And for all you're doing to make this industry, I love better.

And thank you to our audience for tuning into this episode of construction

Please watch for future episodes of our podcast.

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Until the next time change the world for someone, make them smile, encourage them very powerful

God bless take care.

This is Isaiah industry signing off until the next episode of Construction Disruption