Get rid of the good things and do the God things.

How do you do that?

Declutter and simplify.

You will find purpose when you simplify a lot of the things that you're doing now.

There's so many different ways to do it, but I know that somebody

needed to hear that today.

Um,

Where does the path of professional success

intersect with spiritual purpose?

Today on Seek, go Create, we're joined by Shiraz Sidique, the visionary behind

the Christian Business Harvest Network.

We'll call it CBHN.

From now on, Shiraz is on a mission to empower business professionals to not

only excel in their careers, but also fulfill their divine destiny through faith

as the author of Well Done, a passionate Pursuit of Purpose, good alliteration.

There by the way, Shiraz Advocates for a Life that goes beyond the

mundane, urging individuals to align their work with God's Plan.

CBHN stands as a testament to his commitment offering tools and a community

for those seeking to weave their faith into their professional lives.

Shiraz, welcome to Seat Go Create.

Tim, I gotta tell you, I'm gonna steal that intro.

You make me sound pretty good.

I hope they use that when I show up in heaven.

And then I like, like I, I could just picture Peter or Gabriel be like,

attention, because that was a really good intro and you deliver it pretty good too.

Thanks for that intro, man.

Cool man.

Great to have you here.

Yeah.

I do wonder, I kinda had this vision when you were saying that of like, uh,

you know, like this slow clap line, when you kind of get to heaven and,

and you kinda like clapping you on.

I think a lot of people, and we'll talk about Judgment Day, I love in your

book, 'cause I read it just over the last few days, judgment Day, I kept

picturing like Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sarah Connor Judgment Day.

It's not quite that.

I know that's what you weren't referring to, but, uh, I think so

many people look at it as like this negative event, but I'm, I'm actually

thinking there could be a lot of joy there, but I'm getting off track.

I'm getting ahead of myself.

Shiraz, you and I bumped into each other before we've talked.

I've been on CBHN.

We've, we've done some things and had some great conversations.

But if, if someone just bumps into you and they ask you what you do,

what do you typically tell them?

I mean, My wife still can't answer that question.

When somebody asks her what her husband does, when you avail yourself, I, I,

I see myself as not necessarily a Dr.

Jack of all trades, but a master of none, but being who

God needs to be in that moment.

Now that sounds like a little spiritualized and high highfalutin.

That's not what I mean.

It's you develop a passion for people and then you lean into what

Paul said, all things to all people.

And if the scenario calls for a bit of mentorship and guidance,

well then let's go there.

If it's tactical and practical, well then let's go there.

so what I do is try my best to avail myself as a tool for the people that I

get to encounter through the work that I do, whether it's the, TV show that

we operate, whether it's the food truck that we are about to launch, or the other

areas that I'm involved with in ministry.

But what I do is try to be that tool and you're the best.

Tool that I've learned to be is the one that doesn't exist.

I've learned to not do anything if God is saying, this one is for you

and the bench, sit this one out.

Hmm.

Is that hard for you to do?

Is that hard for you to sit out?

Are you wired that way?

Is.

that's why I said I'm learning, to sit out.

there's been too many times in my life where I've gotten in my

own way, because you're always trying to do the right thing.

You're always trying to go above and beyond add value.

the, all of the old adage leave a place better than you left it, or, or, or

leave a place better than you found it.

And you always want to, leave the fingerprint of God's blessing on something

that I, I is in your rear view mirror.

And so many times God's like, can you just chill out?

I don't think I ever asked you to do that, but alright.

You want to go and be extra again?

Go ahead.

But I didn't really ask you to do that.

And so I'm learning still with all these gray hairs, I'm still learning.

So what's interesting, you and I, we've had a few conversations

and I think we've clicked.

I think we're maybe cut from the similar cloth.

we have some different backgrounds, cultural, all that kind of

stuff, but seems like we're leaning in the same direction.

So I'm gonna ask you this because it's something that I

think about from time to time.

Do you ever wish that you were, and, and I don't want this to be degrading

to the people that have this profession, but I'm gonna say, do you ever wish

you were just a plumber or just an electrician, or just a blah, blah, blah?

Especially with the conversation we just had and someone asking

you the question, what you do?

Do you ever wish that?

Do you ever think about that at all?

100%.

You, we are wired, in similar ways and probably from the

same tribe in heaven as well.

Definitely.

wow.

How do I, okay, my wife is my rock, my anchor, my joy, my reason, she

and I couldn't be more different.

When we're in social settings, she'll look to me to light up the room

and begin conversations, engage.

And she enjoys me being social and she doesn't understand that

sometimes I just don't have the energy or the lift to lift the room.

And I just wanna be a person in the room, not be the reason why the

room is vibrating like I want to be.

All these years I thought she always wanted to be more like me, more

outgoing, more vivacious, and the entire time I want to be like her.

I want to be the wallpaper.

I want to just, I I can I just be in the room without having

to have my presence felt.

So I'm with you 100%.

And I think you're right, it has to, it, it has to do with the,

your, your primary function.

It, well, I'll put you another way.

so I have two daughters who are 1921 and my wife.

So I live with three ladies.

when their hair is curly, they want it straight.

When their hair is straight.

Hmm.

They want it curly.

Right?

It it's almost like you crave what the opposite of what

your, your, your 90% wiring is.

Does that make any sense?

It, it does.

And I, I think for me, it, it helps me understand some of my gifting,

some of my purpose, that I'm pursuing.

We're talk about in Well done near in Little law.

It helps me understand it more to attempt to poke holes at who I am.

And, and let me, I wanna, let's go ahead and dive in the deep end.

Okay.

I wanna dive in the deep end because there was something that I kept

thinking about as I was reading your book over the last few days.

And it's the question that I want to ask, and it's sort of related

to this and it, and it, and I, I'll just go ahead and ask it.

What comes easy for you?

What is like.

I from, from knowing you and being around you, I could guess, but I want

hear it out of your mouth and then it might lead down a few different

paths based on what you say here.

So what's easy for Shiraz?

I come from a family who, work with their hands.

my dad was a millwright mechanic.

A millwright.

If you, I don't think you have mill rights in the states or not, but in

Canada, what, millwright is, they're, they're licensed to do everything welding,

build a car, build a house like you are literally licensed to, to do anything.

When it comes to mechanical engineering or construction, operate a crane,

like literally, that's how powerful the millwright license is like.

my brother, has rebuilt his house twice.

I was there with the donuts and the coffee and a lot of encouragement.

I was given a double dose of this ride here.

These hands are not my dad's hands, right?

I literally, my cousins, every, my extended family, I'm the only one,

that was given a double portion of gab where they all, they all got the

triple portions of toolbox, right?

And, and so they know how to, but I, and so I've learned to lean

into what came natural to me.

When you grow up in an environment that's opposite.

see, when you're a hard worker and you go to work, you punch a clock, you're, you're

raised in a home where you work hard, you punch your clock, you come home, you

do this, and then you punch your clock.

That was my mentality, but it never was congruent with my,

the makeup that God gave me.

So I spent so many years of my life fighting my own DNA and design.

'cause I was trying to be something that my environment, my parents weren't

bad parents, don't get me wrong.

They, they, they would never mean me any harm.

That was never it.

It's just, they just thought that this was the mold and the cookie cut that

all the kids were gonna fall into.

And so what I started doing is, is playing with it a little bit.

Let me try it, let me try it, let me try.

But it gets to a point where when you know, and you figure it

out, you gotta start turning the volume down on every, everything.

And more importantly, every one else.

So what's interesting is, yeah, you and I are similar.

We might wanna check some, family trees somewhere along the way.

I'm not sure.

My dad excellent with his hands mechanic.

He, he worked in education, but he worked in the vocational trades, he

helped people do things and all that.

But he was an administrator and I just from as early on as I can remember, put

me up on a stage in front of people.

Let me talk.

Just let me talk now.

I, I do think that there is some conflict there, because what it does

is it starts driving us in directions such as, especially if, you have a faith

ministry, it's like, oh, you could speak.

So what you need to do is you need to go into what we would call traditional

ministry and things like that.

What were some of the things that, early on you recognized as like,

okay, I, I'm not this, I don't work with these very well, I work with

this, What are some of the pros and cons of having that as a gift?

I think it's universal.

I don't think it's, o only subject to the gift of gab.

I think everybody's gifting and, bent towards where their sweet spot is, is

absolutely always gonna be your greatest blessing and your greatest curse when

you don't manage and maintain it.

And, and, and that goes for act actors, celebrities, athletes.

If you don't manage and maintain and get better at what God made you better

at, uh, there's gonna be a problem.

I, I, it's it.

And so I don't think it's just, unique to talking a lot.

well it, it's kind of like this.

If, there are people who are made and they're great with numbers and there are

other people that should never delete the calculator app off their phone.

Like, don't do it.

You need the help.

there are people who are great at art.

this guy, he stopped at stick figures right here.

He's like, Hmm, yeah, no thanks.

No thanks.

And can you imagine in one of my art, I think I got like

a C or a D on stick figures.

I'm joking, but like, that's how bad it is when it comes to being creative

with, with withdrawing my hands.

So I think everybody has already a sense of who they are.

And here's one way you figure it out.

It it, it's what comes naturally to me.

What do I enjoy doing?

And if you can lean into that, it will open up curiosity and spark opportunities.

But you know what it's gonna do?

It's gonna come to a point where you're gonna have to make a decision.

You're gonna have to decide is it worth it or not?

there is this, good, the bad and the ugly that it's gonna come with

no matter what your gifting is.

But you gotta decide, is it worth it?

I think to answer your question now very specifically about, what comes

with talking a lot, you get accused of talking a lot, talk too much.

But isn't that what everybody's accused of?

If they really lean into their gift or you do it too much, you're doing too much.

Is there a line, maybe I'll throw it back to you, that, that, you found

with what naturally you've been able to help all these people that you've

helped the organizations and the companies that you've been able to help.

how do you straddle that line where like, you know what, I need them

to come to their own conclusion.

Hey horse, there's the water.

Or when do you like, oh, here's my right foot of fellowship.

Now you're in the water.

where's that line that you've been able to figure, okay, how do I dance here?

Well, I think it really, I think it probably comes back

to the whole theme of your book.

It's really, we're looking for what our purpose is.

And so what we do is we go through life is we do identify those things.

Like you said.

I, I agree with you.

as for as long as I can remember, I love to, and let's maybe, let's,

let's maybe spin it positive.

I think we are communicators and connectors.

I think that's really what we're drawn to is to communicate and connect

people and yeah, we could do that with a microphone like we're doing here.

We could do it on a stage and, and for me, Shiraz is really interesting.

I know there was a period of time during the nineties where I was speaking in

front of a group almost every night and with a business that I was doing

and teaching and training and corporate stuff and all that kinda stuff.

And I realized at some point that.

Our superpower can become our kryptonite because I was

leaning extremely heavily on it.

And, and in many ways it was becoming a drug.

And I don't think I was honoring that gifting that I had with what I was

doing with it and things like that.

Now, had I recognized that along the way, I think maybe I could have made

some adjustments, but what typically happens is God will do something

to get your attention is the way it is, the way it worked with me.

And and so I, I do think that it's something that, you know, it's just

an awareness and I think surrounding ourselves with people that can

maybe speak into our lives, which I, I typically have, I've done well

at that at times, times I haven't.

And anyway, I, I think, I think that's how I, I, I would say it.

I.

here's, one of the experiences that I've gone through.

this is not a braggadocious or a, or a, you know, a, a a, a claim that

that makes me sound full of myself.

But I'm pretty good on a stage with a mic in my hand.

I can keep it fresh.

I can keep a room jumping alive with a lot of energy.

I get to host a lot of business conferences with, two, 3000

people in the room, pastored at a few different churches.

So yes, when you're in the pulpit, you have that opportunity to speak life and

life abundantly into people's very souls.

and, and, and and it's one of those things where, man, you couldn't even pay me to

do this 'cause I'm gonna do it anyway.

'cause I'm just so wired to do this and I love it.

Like, you can't pay me to do it.

Until I started trying to get paid to do it,

Yeah.

And so what happened then when all of a sudden we, let's

bring money into the equation.

yeah.

Let's bring money to the equation for everyone

because you've got this gift.

You believe you've been given it.

Now figure out how to bring money into the household.

Pay for stuff.

What happens then?

Yeah.

Because, the mistake that I had made was thinking that my source

was my gift, not recognizing that my source was the giver of the gift.

And when I leaned so hard into the gift, it was hard to make money from the gift.

And, and that was a hard lesson for me because, I put all my eggs into

this one entrepreneurial venture where I was, doing public speaking

training because I'm pretty good at it.

And I had a lot of people, I mean a lot of, could you spend time with my staff?

Could you train me here?

professors at colleges were like, Hey, can you help me design this module

so I can present to my students?

how do I do what you do?

And it got to my head, my heart, where I was like, okay, now my hand is activated

and I'm gonna start this consulting business and I'm gonna train people on how

to become more effective communicators.

man, what a mistake.

Because now I'm taking the gift and I'm monetizing.

The gift that God gave me that wasn't even mine to begin with.

Instead of just trusting him to open the doors where and when he needed

it to be activated and operated.

So when I said off the top, when you asked me, okay, what do you do?

this, that's kind of where I'm, where I was coming from.

What I do is try to avail myself to people and connect them, not on a

horizontal, but a vertical level, because you're right, we are communicators

and connectors, but connect on a horizontal so I can reconnect them on

a vertical level back to their father.

Now life is flowing a lot more better because I'm not trying

to monetize the gift on my own.

I'm just allowing God to do that.

I'll ask the question.

I'll ask the flip side.

What's hard for you?

What's like, what's like really hard?

Accounting.

Yeah, like, your GSC and your Hs C doing all, doing all your taxes,

doing it on a monthly basis, snapping a photo is easy, right?

You just snap a photo and it just uploads to the app.

I don't even make time to snap the photo of the receipt every month to upload it.

anything that is routine and you can, I hate it, but my accountant

is like, just drop off a box of receipts and you're good, Shiraz.

I got this.

But then when the bill came in at x and it was three fig, four figures, I was

like, wait, I, I, I'm not, I don't wanna pay you pay, pay you this, I'm out.

I'm just gonna do it on my own.

I don't, I'm not gonna, no, no, no, I'm not paying you.

I'm gonna do it on my own.

And then I never get around to doing it on my own.

'cause I'm trying to save money, but I'm not, I'm realizing that

I'm losing time, I'm losing money, I'm losing my peace of mind.

So a hard thing that I'm learning, what's hard for me to do is,

I don't think that I'm cheap.

But I'm frugal and there is, there's a big divide between cheap and frugal.

And so it's hard for me to do is spend money on things that I feel like I

could be doing on my own, but I never really have enough time 'cause I don't

measure my time capacity well enough to actually get around to do it.

Long-winded answer, but yeah, that's what I'm, I'm struggling through, right?

Like right now in this season.

That's what I'm struggling through.

So at, at some point when you were younger, so you grew

up in the family with, you said you had a lot of people that were

we'll call skilled with their hands.

Let's just, we'll kind of call it

Absolutely.

Blue collar is fine as well.

By the way.

Blue collar is fine as well.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then all of a sudden that there, because I, I saw it kind

of dotted along and I know you've been involved with ministry,

but let me go ahead and hit you with an interesting question that you can answer.

I go over to your LinkedIn and I don't see ministry anywhere there.

So tell me about the ministry and then maybe un layer back why I

didn't see it over on your LinkedIn.

I, and I think your LinkedIn's a little bit old.

you probably like me.

You probably don't go update it that often, but, is that

too hard of a question there?

It's like, Hey man, where's the ministry?

Come on, man.

not at all.

it, you get to a point where if you are secure in your relation, if you're secure

in your marriage, you have to walk around telling people that you're married.

That's weird to me.

I've been married 25 years, we just celebrated 25 years.

You don't see a wedding ring.

if my heart isn't married to my wife, what is my ring supposed to prove to the world?

and, and, and, and my wife is cool.

Like she's totally fine with me not wearing my wedding ring.

If I was wearing different rings, it would meet, it would meet,

Hey, hey, you're ringing that ring, but not your wedding ring.

That would be an issue.

I just really could never get comfortable with my wedding ring.

I just couldn't do it.

It's fine.

my in-laws had a problem with that.

That's another story.

But, so like.

Like, with my relationship with God, I am good with God like me and him.

I feel like we got a good thing going.

Am I gonna try to prove that to everybody in the world?

This is what I found.

So there's this one church that I was pastoring at.

I was an associate pastor.

I wasn't the head pastor church in just outside of Toronto, called Huley.

What up Huley family.

If you're listening in.

and when I was, while I was pastoring there, I was working full-time at,

this telecommunications company.

I was their national sales manager.

So I had about three or four teams and I dunno, maybe 20, 30

people, rolling up and, and just managing a bunch of different

things at different times, right?

And this is what I found when I was there.

while at, while at this company, when I say record setting, yeah, I, not

only did I break and then I reset every sales record, it was, I mean, you

talk about God's favor on your life.

It was just powerful.

and, and and people would constantly come up to me, Raz, what is your secret sauce?

What is it that, gets you all these wonderful results?

Can you tell us your strategy and deadpan look up?

So they came to my desk.

I didn't go to them.

They came to my desk.

And Tim, it was, it was simple.

I just deadpan look in the face like God really likes me.

You are his favorite.

it, and it was really interesting because I

would get two distinct responses.

Always.

always.

It was like uhha, oops.

Gone.

Like, and like, end of conversation or what do you mean?

And those, what you means meant so much to me in those four or

five years that I was doing both.

'cause I was, I held both roles at the same time.

Pastoring and full-time at this telecommunications company.

And, and, and so this is a difference that I found.

My desk tended to be a greater magnet than my pulpit.

So when you're preaching, you have to invite people to sacrifice the rhythm

of their life if they hadn't already be, come to the full rele revelation of who

God is and who Jesus is and what he had done For all of us, you have to make an

effort to break your Sunday routine, put some nice clothes on and get to church.

Okay?

But if you're already at work.

So I began to wonderful.

What was more powerful, my pulpit or my desk.

Hmm.

And so as soon as I put up a sign, so it bothered me

that people would walk away just because I said God really likes me.

And so I didn't want to repel people.

But I continue to want God's glory on my life because in Isaiah when

it says The kings will come to the brightness of your Don Kings, your gifts

will make room for you before kings.

And so when I began to just allow the favor of God on my life to

perform through sales results and watching people flock because kings

come to the brightness of your dawn, your gifts will make room for you.

People were flocking to my desk, I gotta tell you, was struggled to,

to get them to church on a Sunday.

And so what was I exposed to do now, the people that walked away, that it

bothered me that people would walk away just 'cause I said God likes me.

So LinkedIn is meant to be, Hey, when I'm active, I haven't been for,

for a little bit, in transition with one of the roles that I'm doing in

a media, from a media perspective.

So when I get back on that, I'll be more active on LinkedIn.

But what it's meant to be is like, Hey, I remember that Shiraz guy.

Let me go check him out.

See him, but as soon as you're gonna meet me, we're talking about God.

And so I found that keeping my desk neutral, but our communication right

on point makes a big difference for me.

Now, do I think everyone should prescribe to that approach?

No.

I'm wired to be able to, the duality of my existence being corporate and

ministry at the same time I can.

I can rock both worlds at the same time.

Took me years to figure it out.

But I can do very both effectively.

Sometimes it was bifurcating and bipolar in my mind to be able to do both.

But I've learned over time how to be both.

And again, back hosting off the off, off the beginning to

be all things to all people.

So I've learned.

But both of them are gonna be a gateway to a vertical connection.

Right, because you're a connector and your ultimate

connection is to connect people with their creator, their their God.

so you, but you did spend some time in full-time ministry also, didn't you?

Didn't you do?

So you've kind of been in and around.

I think I, I, I think I remember learning about some of your early years.

so one question I always have with people that have been around what we

would call air quotes here, for those that can't see the video, I've got air

quotes, traditional ministry or the

full-time ministry role.

Many people.

Assume that that is the ultimate, that is the, the pinnacle of a spiritual walk with

God is to be in a full-time ministry role.

And we, we discuss this quite often here, so this is not a

new topic for the listener.

At times.

There are people that when they leave that role, they go through some degree

of, I failed, or God may not be pleased.

Or people come up to them and say, oh, I'm sorry brother, you must have

backslid or something like that you and I think you went back and forth some,

if you wanna share a little bit of that story here, that's fine, but it's at

some point, see you're probably like me.

You don't consider yourself not in ministry now, but at some point you

disconnected with what many would consider traditional and or full-time ministry.

What was that like?

Yeah.

I mentioned my, my family being all workers, my dad's side.

My mom, when I was young, she was Muslim when my dad married her.

And so when she came to the full knowledge and revelation of who Jesus is.

Man, there's one thing to grow up around Christianity, but there's another thing

to grow around in a different faith and then have that moment where like, Jesus

just walks into your life and just loves you, like you've never been loved before.

So she was crazy lady Christian, right?

Like, she was just like, went all out.

Because again, when, when you, when you, when you have been

around the concept of Christianity, you might take it for granted.

But for her, she never did because she knew what it was to not to live out.

So for her, the greatest, achievement in her life, other than the grandkids,

'cause we stopped existing when we all had kids, was, when I became a pastor,

that was her great crowning achievement.

She, she'd call it.

Did you see my beta?

That means son, he is pastor.

Like, so she was like, so like always beaming with such pride

because her son was a pastor.

So for her it was a really big deal.

Not to say that it wasn't for me, but for her it just meant the world for her.

growing up, my uncle, so this is on my dad's side, planted the

very first thisI church in Canada.

This is a term that encompasses Pakistan and India.

he, and, and the church was, the language was Urdu, which is in Pakistan

and Punjabi, which is in India.

And so they would speak the very, their dialects of the same language effectively.

and I'm 19.

He's training me to kind of take over the ministry, not take over,

but join him in ministry and, 'cause we were always around and, and like,

Hey, let's send you to seminary.

And so I'm 19 and I'm going off to seminary school.

Like it's, everything's set.

Like let's go.

And, and, and, and, I asked a simple question one Sunday afternoon,

and this changed my life forever.

This one Sunday afternoon, we're at my uncle's house again, the pastor a few

other leaders are there, and we're talking about the summer outreach programs when,

when you consider outreach, in those days it was specifically to, an Indian and

Pakistan community, which would've been predominantly, Hindu, Muslim, or Sikh.

population of that is quite large in the GTA, the greater Toronto area.

And, how do we do this outreach and there this plan and that plan, and

this plan and that plan, Tim, I asked a simple question and they came for me.

The, so, how are we gonna pay for this?

You have no faith.

What is, and I'm looking around and I just looked at this one person that said,

I don't even know where this came from.

I was like, I don't know how to fish.

I'm not gonna go find gold coins in a fish's mouth.

I just asked a simple question.

I was so frustrated that this was a Sunday.

By the Monday I figured out a way, now enrollment and

acceptance was already done.

'cause it's June school starts in September, I'm done high school.

got into a community college and went into marketing.

Except forget this, I don't want anything to do with this ministry.

They don't even have the ability to do this.

Uh, four years later I'm pastoring at a church, a different church.

And, and, and so God has a sense of humor.

And so I've been able to bring that flavor into.

House one of being, fiscally forward, meaning let's go and generate as

much income as we can for ministries to fulfill the vision that God has

through the pastor of that house.

I don't care what house, what, where your, your, your pastor has a vision

for what they want to accomplish, but how are we gonna pay for it?

And that created my drive for CBHN, for example, is to help

every person make as much money as possible with two conditions.

With, with two qualifiers.

What are you willing to do to make that money?

Say your, establish your moral ground, establish it and maintain it,

and don't question your integrity.

what are you willing to do to get it?

And secondly, what are you gonna do with it?

And as long as you can answer those two questions, I feel like that Sunday

afternoon still shapes me to this day.

Right?

To, to, to ensure that everybody makes as much money as possible to pay for.

Their pastor.

Summer outreach program.

Yes.

Help out charities and do all those things.

But your local church man, God created that for us to be able to,

but as an effective communicator, I did, by the way, in my thirties, go

back and get my master's in theology because that's still a part of me.

I, I have pastored at three different churches since, or in

total three churches, stints, but never as a head pastor.

So I've always had this sweet spot where I'm able to be in ministry and in

the corporate world at the same time.

'cause I'm not the senior pastor.

I'm coming alongside for a season.

I don't know who that was for, but I just want to give you

the liberty that you matter.

And if you're listening today, listen, I just wanna remind you,

there are 12 tribes of Israel.

Only one of them were priests.

So what value does that represent for all of the rest of us When the

Bible calls us, we are a king priest.

Royal priesthood unto God, meaning we're king and priest.

Yeah.

Some people just have a higher percentage king.

Some people just have a higher percentage priest.

But we're both, and we will always be both.

'cause we are royal king side, and priest, right?

Because that's what we are.

But 11 outta 12 year percentage for King is higher than your priestly side.

But again, we're both.

So if you are part of the 11 or the 12, which means the majority

of the people, that means we need to empower as many people as

possible to pursue their purpose.

Not in church, not in christen them, but within their giftings, in their DNA.

So they can go and conquer in the marketplace to release the

blessings and provide for the vision of the, of the priest, meaning

the pro vision for the vision.

And I apologize for getting too excited, passion, but at the core of

it, that's what I live for, is to make sure that we can pay for all these

pastor's visions that exists, that God has raised up across the globe.

Yeah, I like that I pulled your string there.

I was, I was hoping I could do that.

I could get you kinda worked up there.

you did.

and I lo, I love the example of the 11 outta the 12 tribes and if you

want to jump over to the New Testament, of the 12 that Jesus surrounded himself with.

What, he, he went out and got the, the, the dirty fisherman and, and he, he,

I don't wanna say he maybe not, didn't pick his accountant well, but you know,

that was probably part of the plan.

But,

but but we know, but we know who he picked there.

so here's the big question that I think you are looking to address with the book.

I think it's the big question that our listeners have, probably the people that

you interact with, people I interact with.

It's how do I step into, how do I identify, how do

I know what my purpose is?

And we could start talking about, the book here.

We could talk about, I know what you do with CBHN.

how do I know that I'm supposed to go get a food truck?

I, here we go.

Are you ready?

Tell me about the food.

What did the

skies part and you said.

Let's go.

Are you ready?

Are you ready?

I'm gonna be long-winded in this one.

I'm gonna take it because this is, this was revolutionary for me.

I'm gonna work backwards.

I'm gonna start from about four weeks ago, so whatever time we're filming this, this

in the year, about four weeks ago, I was reading in Genesis where Jacob, decides,

Hey, I gotta get away from Labban.

So if you're familiar with the story to Genesis 30, 31, 32, and, uh, Jacob

had just tricked his brother and he's now takes off and he's living with his

uncle 'cause his brother wants to, to his brother wants to kill him, basically.

'cause he took his brother's blessing.

So entire time he's walking around with somebody else's calling on his life.

Woo.

We'll get into that in a moment.

All right, so he's walking around with his brother's calling that

God never intended for him.

All right?

he, his, he, the very thing, so Jacob ends up tricking his dad.

If you know the story well, guess what happens to Hi, guess hi with

a brother, brother with siblings.

Guess what happens to him?

And on his wedding night, his uncle tricks him and does a sister sister swap?

He did a brother, brother swap.

So his, his uncle does a sister sister swap.

So he ends up, long story short, with two wives, and his uncle doesn't treat him

really well, but God still blesses him even though he wasn't being treated well.

Okay?

So let's fast forward.

He takes off.

Ian's like, what?

Boy, he ain't going nowhere.

I'm gonna get you.

And he rallies up all his people and they're gonna, they're chasing down, Jacob

because for whatever reason, he's just gonna go get 'em and take back whatever.

Okay?

So he is all mad and, and Laben.

At a time of rest on his, as he's pursuing him, God shows up in a dream.

This is what it says.

Oh my God.

Oh my gosh.

This is what it says, Tim.

this is what God says to, Laben.

He says, don't say anything.

I think it's verse 24.

He says, don't say anything, bad to Jacob.

That's not what it says.

It says, don't say anything bad or good to Jacob.

I'm like, what the crack is this?

Sorry, the crack is my Christian swear word.

I was like, what is this right here?

Don't say anything bad or good.

I thought it was okay to do good things.

I thought it was okay to, bless people.

I thought it was okay to always do good things.

at the end, at the end of the day, you, you, you bring up your pile of good

things and you put it before God and say, ah, here's my 84 years on the planet.

Judge me now.

And, and when God said, don't do anything good or bad to Jacob, and

I began to just peel that back and peel that back and peel that back.

And, but evaluating is that was the starting point, is me.

God, okay, in mirror time, what's going on here?

And I'm just checking myself out in the mirror saying,

okay, so what's going on here?

What, what, what am I seeing?

food truck.

This is where food truck finally revealed itself is because I stopped

doing a bunch of good things.

I peeled back all the extra stuff that I'm doing.

I just simplified my life and got rid of the bad.

Don't do anything good.

I got rid of the good, and that's where my next steps just kind of revealed

themselves because I simplified my life and I, I, I assure you, if you're

listening in today, you know what I mean by simplifying your life, decluttering

your life, clearing out your garage.

You'll finally find that thing that you were looking for, that you

didn't even know that you needed.

But as soon as you declutter and simplify, you will find what you're looking for.

And that's one of the reasons why I was eager to get on with Tim

today because I knew that somebody needs to hear that declutter.

Forget the bad stuff.

That's obvious.

Unfortunately, in our religious natures, we're always measuring our

scale out of zero to minus 10, and we're trying to stay away from the

worst sins like murder and adultery.

Perhaps lying is a minus three.

Perhaps break even is a good point.

But God is even saying, evaluate all the pluses that you do, and if they

don't line up with what I made you to do, it's not gonna go well for you.

On judgment day, get rid of the good things and do the God things.

How do you do that?

Declutter and simplify.

You will find purpose when you simplify a lot of the things that you're doing now.

There's so many different ways to do it, but I know that somebody

needed to hear that today.

I just really wanted to make sure that I can express

I, I think that's powerful.

And there's so much symbolism sim, I almost didn't say that symbolism with

the food truck that I'm gonna ask a little bit more about just a second.

But you know, you do, and I know you're aware of this, you're

talking to a guy who lives.

A 39 foot motor coach, and this is our home and we've, we just celebrated our

five year anniversary of living here.

We've been traveling for 10 years, but we've been fairly minimalist with stuff.

Okay.

But Shiraz, I did something else.

I, I, I actually am coming to believe maybe that is an outward manifestation

of cluttering that goes on internally.

All the stuff.

We have the garages, we fill up the storage units, I'm sure, I'm sure in

Canada, y'all have one of the most popular businesses or storage units

'cause people have run outta space to store their stuff at their homes and

their basements, their garages can't even get a car in their garage anymore.

They're now putting it in storage facilities.

But I'm coming to realize how cluttered we are inside our

minds, our souls, our hearts.

And one of the things I did, it's going on about four months ago, is I

cut out a lot of what I was consuming news information, and I realized

that I was addicted to information.

It was an addiction.

I went through it.

It was the month of October, the tail end of 2023.

I decided I wasn't gonna drink some alcohol and I wasn't going to read

all my news and stuff like that.

The alcohol I'm not addicted to.

I could have a sip of something every once in a while and be fine.

The information, I had cold sweats almost after about two or three days

because I wasn't able to read all the stuff that I had in front of me.

My mind is so much clearer now.

Talk a little bit about, and this is, we're gonna ease into the book here,

talk a little bit about how important it is to unclutter our minds to get

to this place of where our purpose is.

I think most people can't get to it 'cause they're listening to too many.

I'm gonna say something that might be controversial.

Too many preachers, teachers reading this latest spiritual book,

reading all the Self-help you know the Greatest, latest, greatest.

And I think we got too much going on.

Talk about that some Shiraz.

I honestly feel that, in north American, church culture

context, we potentially could be more educated beyond our ability to implement.

We know more than, okay, if we simply applied 20% of the goodness of God

that we already have come to know, we could change the world just 20%.

I.

And yet there is an addiction, as you said, to information,

there's an addiction to X, y, Z.

Potentially there's an addiction to the rhythm, the rhythmatic nature

of what it means to be a Christian.

You go to church on a Sunday to hear, you go to church on a Sunday to hear

maybe there's a podcast on the other week, da da da da da da da da, a a a.

And so just the whole concept of spiritual constipation is real.

A lot going in.

But how much coming out, last night, my wife and I, we got to spend

some time with some old friends.

He runs a, with a Canadian division.

It's a global organization called Voice of the Martyrs.

And, lovely couple, I'll leave their names out of it, but, look them up.

Voice the martyrs.

They, they help per the persecuted church around the globe.

we were just talking about what we feel like God is doing in our lives.

And, and this is what, the husband said last night.

He said, I felt like God was saying, so I.

I was like, wait, what?

I, he felt like God was saying, so he did something about it him

in his particular mo of motion.

He was like, I gotta slow down.

So he happened to be traveling, so he didn't jump on the ov, the

people mover, he just walked aside it on purpose and cold sweats.

The way that you described it, he was having those cold

sweats, but he heard and he did.

He heard and he did.

He heard and he did.

The whole concept of decluttering what you were saying, even our minds, like we

live in, in an age where we're bombarded by messaging like we've never been before.

Access to messaging is incredible.

Just pick up your device like, and it's hard to get off of

it as soon as you picked up.

'cause hey, has this ever happened to you audience?

You pick up your phone to do A, and then you find yourself doing B and then you

can't even see your way back to A, because you don't even remember what A was.

That's happened to me.

I'm not preaching to nobody.

I'm calling myself out.

This is just the world that we live in, because we have access

to all of this information.

It's gonna take discipline to cut back to declutter.

Now, an effective way to simply declutter is remind yourself of who you are.

Okay?

Somebody described me this way, and, Tim, I'm going to connect

you if I haven't already to Dr.

ffr, Franz.

He's amazing human being.

He's like this double psychology.

He's like big brain, smart person.

I think you guys will have great conversations.

he, we call ourselves each other.

We call ourselves shovel sharpeners.

Okay?

and, and, and, and and this, this is the way I'll describe it.

If God gave you a hill and said, there's gold in that hill, is it

enough that he gave you a hill?

Oh, I'm sorry.

So God is all supposed to give you a GPS and put your shovel in the

ground and do the work for you.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Then why are we here?

Why do I have oxygen?

Why did he make muscles in our arms?

Why do we have a head?

Why do we have a heart?

Why did he tell us to be strong and be courage and go for it?

I.

Put your shovel in the ground.

I, I don't have a secret recipe for you to find your purpose.

I'm telling you, put your shovel in the ground.

I'm saying it's time you get your shovel in the ground.

Move some dirt outta the way.

Keep digging.

Keep digging.

'cause you're gonna find two things in the, this is what you're gonna find.

You're gonna find your gold.

'cause if, look, if you're gonna put your shovel in the ground, you're guaranteed

to find what you're looking for.

But are you gonna put your shovel on the ground or you're waiting for the

next Another good friend, she always says to, to, she's a nutritious,

she said, it's weird because I don't teach anything new, but people always

wanna know how to lose pay weight.

People know how to lose weight.

Tim, be more active here.

Here's the formula.

Be more active and eat better.

Simple.

But people want to know this, the magic pill, that's what they're

after, but they're not after putting the shovel in the ground.

Put the shovel in the ground day by day, putting your shovel in the ground.

So I'm not going to give anybody a recipe, but what I will give you is

just some encouraging encouragement to put your shovel in the ground.

'cause you're gonna find two things.

You will find two things.

As soon as you get your shovel in the ground, you're gonna find your gold.

But you'll also find the assassin in the sand.

Most people have this desire, Tim, to find their purpose, but there's always this

moment where we're gonna hit, where we're like, I don't know what's holding me back.

I don't even understand what's holding me back.

Uh, there's an assassin in the sand that sabotages our ability to move forward.

It's like we take, we do it for three weeks, but that fourth week, how do

you get past those shakes after two, three days of being off the news?

That's the assassin man.

Like there's always this pushback, blowback to keep us the same size.

I.

I won't get into neuroscience, but it's a homeostasis in our brain

that says, Hey, stay the same.

Stay the same, stay the same stay.

But God has called us to so much more than that.

And you pulled another string on me, buddy.

You did.

Uh uh, and and, and it's like, again, you're gonna find two things.

I refuse to give people the answer that's already in them.

How do I know the answers already there?

Because in every acorn is the ability to become an oak tree in your DNA

before the foundations of the earth.

He says in Psalm 1 39 that we were fearfully and wonderfully already

knitted in our mother's womb.

He's already put the DNA in us.

That purpose isn't an external additive like a cloak.

It is an internal explosion that comes from within activate that.

How do you do that?

Get you to shovel in the dirt.

Now I better stop or else I'm gonna keep on going.

so you don't have like a three steps to purpose, seven steps.

This is A, B, C, D.

Listen, we, here, here's part of our culture.

We, we do have, you mentioned the North American.

I'll sometimes say first world culture.

Our North American first world culture.

They're looking for the easy button.

I I, at times I'm looking for the easy button.

I'm looking for what's, where's the easy button?

We're looking for the easy button.

And what I heard you say, it's not hard, but it's not easy either.

And if I look out over the horizon, if I'm consuming too much stuff,

I'm gonna hear someone talk about the easy button and I will in all

likelihood gravitate towards which one.

Human nature.

the easy, the easy

button.

So somewhere along the way, Shiraz, speaking of something that I don't

think is easy, 'cause I've written a book and, and you've written earlier,

you mentioned you're not an artist.

See, I think to put words on paper like you did, there's art to that.

I think there's, I think it's shoveling the ground stuff too, by the way.

I think writing a book is shoveling the ground, but, so you've got the book here.

Well done.

A passionate pursuit of purpose alliteration there, you, your

alliteration, guys, that you

Mm-Hmm.

Love it.

could, you come up with like three or four more P words just in there?

I, I could have, but you

A plethora, a plethora of passionate pursuit of purpose.

Now tell me, tell me, tell me how it originated.

Because here, and, and let me, I'm gonna layer it with something often.

People that have a gift of speaking, taking that and putting some

of their thoughts on paper is, is, is a difficult thing to do.

Or they, sometimes we will talk ourselves out of it because we could

do a microphone and do these things.

What was that like and why did you decide to do it?

And then we'll talk a little bit about the book before you start wrapping up here.

Why?

we were in Orlando, and, we were back in the room.

my wife, looks at me, so I was on, I was actually, we were staying in this nice

little place and, like a via Airbnb, and I was on the balcony and my wife, just pops

her head out and I was doing some writing.

Like I'm prone to do just my own journaling, but I

don't call it journaling.

I just call my writing and my wife pops her head out and says, man, are

you finally gonna write that book?

Like, Like, like what I thought you were making, I thought coffee.

What, what?

And, That was it.

That was it.

I didn't realize that I'd been writing with all the sermons and messages

that I've had been privileged and fortunate to be able to share,

different churches and other venues.

I had written.

But it's a completely different art form to write than it is to speak.

And you know this full well, to, you can put so much more emotion and

tonality, facial expression, passion, juice into and, and, and, and, and

reinforce with power every word.

But you can't do that in, in black and white.

It just changes everything.

And so learning how to do it was, one step.

I didn't step, I didn't write it to be an author.

I didn't write it so I could write it.

I wrote it so it could be read.

Uh, I was very excited when we cut out 80 pages.

It was 82 pages to be cut out of the book.

if, if you look at the average person, I'm not, we didn't write this for readers.

It was written to somebody who doesn't necessarily read that

often, so it's just 10 chapters.

Each cha, each chapter is about 12 to 13 pages.

We wanted it to be read.

We didn't want it to be written.

And so with that objective in mind, we made it so that every person had the

ability and the capacity to be able to.

Receive what they need from it.

And so when we wrote it that way, it changed everything.

And you'll know this, when you sell a book, the seal just go poof.

And they're back up there.

Now they're on this like steady incline and like, with it when you're

on Amazon, it's just interesting.

You got Australia, New Zealand, places in Africa, south

America, all across the states.

Canadian can, the Canadian market to me was okay, that's makes sense 'cause

maybe one or two people know me here.

and, and but to see it just sell around the world, uh, didn't make sense.

But I'm glad that, we did the project and when I say we, I couldn't have done

it without my wife's support 'cause of all the sacrifices that are necessary.

'cause I'm not naturally a writer.

I'm a communicator.

And so the objective was to translate what this communicate, but do it in writing.

And so we hope that we are able to accomplish, that mission.

something that's interesting for me during, during a

process like that, we've talked about, the ability to communicate and, and,

and I, I think I've come to terms that part of what I'm doing here.

Part of what I'm doing in other areas.

At times I feel as if I'm doing it for other people, for

their information, et cetera.

Mm-Hmm.

But Shiraz, I'm like coming to this place where a lot of what,

and, and this is kind of for creators by the way, I'm kind of saying this,

we kind of have this thought of we're entertaining or educating or getting

information out to the world to have impact and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

I'm becoming more and more convinced that what I'm doing

right here, right now is for me.

Okay.

And when I wrote out, I think I came to the it's, it

sells and all that kind of stuff.

We'd always love to sell more probably.

But

I'm wondering if it was for me, what transpired with you not.

What everybody else is reading.

What, what, what transpired with you while you were in the, the process

of writing and putting this down.

when you look at, whether it's organizationally, corporate,

small business, or individually, church every single time, and I

saw this and it just blew my mind.

I, I never had seen this and this was while I was still writing the

book and it changed everything.

If you look at somebody's mission statement or vision or purpose statement.

Every single one is for the benefit of others.

Check it.

If you read your own, if you read everyone's mission or

vision or purpose statement, it's always to the benefit of others.

Companies will talk about their clients, churches will talk

about their parishioners, know whatever they wanna call them,

their congregation, individuals.

You know, I wanted to live a life of age, you know, for, for, for leave.

Pass a legacy on to my kids.

But it's always to the benefit.

A real purpose statement.

A real purpose statement has ev someone else in mind.

And so that's what helped me, with that moment of like, okay,

I really gotta write this with.

The audience in mind.

Did I do a good job of that?

Time?

Tell Will tell.

I'm working on the second and the third book right now, and, there's

already a bit of a demand for the, second one, so I'm, I'm it, it'll

get out there in the next few months.

I'm looking forward to that.

But, but it, it, and I think it's the, the main feedback when you hear like,

man, you were reading of my life.

Like, that's exactly where I was.

That's, and when you start hearing stuff that from people from around the

world, it, it's kind of like, oh, okay.

And it reminds you of that moment, what you're describing.

Mission, purpose, vision.

It always has other people in mind.

One of the things that I did is I went through and did

some highlighting and I've got, I think we're gonna wrap this up here.

I'm gonna ask you about one statement, but I just wanna mention a few highlights that

I'll think will help people get a flavor.

one of the highlights I had was, but the busyness of life.

This relates back to what we were talking about earlier, cluttering the busyness of

life is desperately trying to weigh you down with logistical family obligations.

Probably a lot of other obligations.

Another highlight, one of the most common prayer requests I receive,

this is you talking is for clarity about a person's calling and

for direction for their destiny.

That gives somebody the flavor of this book called Well Done.

But I want us to wrap up with one.

Item that I highlighted, and I want you to just tell this story because this, this

is like my thickest highlight in the book.

Okay.

You ready for this?

Okay.

I still have a vivid memory of sitting on the toilet as a

toddler when suddenly one of my dad's pet pigeons flew in through the window.

I'm sorry, man.

That's a sentence that just screams.

Tell me more.

Oh man.

the things that you didn't want to make the cut and made the

cut, and that's, in the book.

Yeah.

And not only that, you figured, okay, hopefully nobody

remembers that, but, here it is.

Uh,

we need to edit this out?

Do I have to edit this out?

Because that, see, to me, that tells me someone who is relating and sharing

and, and it leads into something.

I'll let you share if you want to now what it leads to.

But I also know that there's someone sitting, going, I gotta get this book now.

Yeah.

so I love you for that, Tim.

That was awesome.

yeah, and, and, and freaking out.

I'm sitting there and I, I was like, I don't know, two, three.

but I mean, it's weird.

I have memories since when I was less than a year old, and my mom

was like, how do you know that?

And it's kind of cool.

and I remember freaking out.

We lived in a, in then, in a city called London, Ontario.

I was actually born in London, Ontario.

And uh, my dad had pet pigeons, of course.

And who, whose dad doesn't have pet pigeons.

I mean, see, see for one thing, me, I'm sitting goings.

What?

What the.

this, this, it, it is, my dad was a hunter, so he

had a lot of, animals, but he, he had a lot of guns, hunting guns.

and I know that's, controversial for some folks in Canada and in the States,

but whatever, he's, my dad love him.

He's gone.

He's probably hanging out with Jesus right now.

and, and, and, and so he had birds.

He had bunch different stuff around.

So when it came in the window, I was just, I was just freaking out.

And, uh, he's like, well, then just get up.

I was like, I was too, I was paralyzed in that moment.

'cause the thing that always kept me back was in this, in this, in this

situation, took in the form of a bird.

But it's what kept me back from just simply going to unlock

the door to let my dad in.

To get the bird.

'cause I'm young freaking out.

They're like, what's going on?

But I had locked the door.

I was old enough to lock the door, and I'm sitting on the toilet door is locked.

And he is like, well just unlock the door, but be between me and the door.

Was my fear.

A harmless pigeon that was probably more afraid of me than I was of it.

But it stood between me and the door.

And the only thing that got me to the door was my dad leaning up against the door.

And you know how when you lean against it, there's a little

crack that creates if you push it.

And just, I could hear his deep voice saying, it's gonna be all right.

Just come and open the door first.

You're gonna be fine.

You're gonna be fine.

You're gonna be fine.

And then all through my life, there's moments like that where I remember

my dad saying to me, sh, You're ma.

You're doing too much.

You're making too much out of the negative.

It's not that big.

Just comment, unlock.

I.

The fear that's in between where you stand and where your purpose is.

It's actually not that hard.

Just get up and unlock the door.

It's as soon as you unlock that door, son, I will rush in and, and again,

there are people listening today.

As soon as you just stand up for God, watch him stand up for you, watch him

take care of what was, what was fake.

Anyways, there's, there was never a power in the fear or the pigeon or

whatever you feel stands in between you and your purpose and your destiny.

But I tell you, who wants you to succeed more than you do?

If God sent you for a reason and on purpose to the planet, it would make

sense that he would love to see his sons and daughters fulfill those

dreams that he impregnated you with.

He man, he, he's like the proudest one ever.

To be able to say, Hey, look at what Tim and his wife do.

Can, can they just be a model?

Hey, hey, left side of heaven, they have, decluttered, they dropped everything.

They've been in an RV for five years.

Did you send them a cake?

Michael, Michael, send them a cake.

Like, let's celebrate what's going on in that rv.

You think I'm playing folks?

No, no, no, no.

They literally live the definition of what it means to just, they're,

you think they're off the grid.

They're not off the grid, they're on the internet right now.

They're not off the grid.

They're off the goods that people thought was good for them.

And, and when we can relinquish the barns that we're storing up and laying

up treasures, and now they're storing up and laying up treasures in eternity

and continue to do so all these years, man, there's so much liberty

and freedom from letting go and not empowering the things that we think

we need or the things that are getting in the way of what we think we need.

It's just a beautiful scenario and so it goes on to share a few more opportunities

that you'll have to also step into who God is for you and what God really wants from

the relationship that you have with him.

Yeah.

See that's, I'm, I'm glad that I highlighted.

That sentence.

It, it's gonna trigger it.

Someone's gonna actually remember that.

They'll remember it, which is good.

don't, don't be mad at me 'cause I brought that one up.

Don't be upset.

The book's well done.

A passionate pursuit of purpose.

Shiraz, why don't you tell us who it's for and where people can find it.

Just kind of who it's for, who you think might be the, the

person that needs to get the book.

I mean, and I know it's everybody, but you know what I mean by that.

Yeah, absolutely.

I don't think the book is for, I wish it was for everybody 'cause that's what

every author wants, but it, it, it's not, it, it, it's for someone who's been

Christian Long enough to know that they, there's more in their core to explore.

But they're not old enough to have been jaded by, disappointment or jaded by, what

sometimes can happen when you fall into a church context and then you begin to,

it's sad when you start people blaming the church and saying a phrase like, the

problem with the church is this, then this book isn't for you because you, you are

putting your own pigeons in the way of the proliferation of God's gift in your life.

it's not never about the church or the pigeon, it's about you.

And so it's somebody who's been Christian for a number of years to

understand that there's more that they can enjoy and experiencing

God, but they're not old enough that they've been beaten up by this world.

'cause this book isn't for you.

If you feel that there's a problem with God in the church,

this book isn't for you.

You have other books that'll be more beneficial to help you get through

those layers and then get on to, discovering and recapturing the

beauty that what God is for you.

And that's who this book is for.

Yeah, like I said, I read it.

Excellent book.

It's a, it's a, I don't wanna say it's a easy read because

it does have depth, but I.

It's, it's a good flowing read and it, and it leads from one step to another.

It's like a, a bit of a dance with the movement and, and the information

provided and, and I enjoyed it.

Make sure you get a copy of that.

Hey Shiraz, we are seek, go create those three words.

I'm gonna allow you to pick one over the other two and tell me why you

picked that word just resonates with you or you like it or something.

Seek, go or create.

Which one do you choose?

Yeah, pick one.

Okay.

Um, okay.

A philosophy.

I, live by, just a offshoot of faith, but for, for me, it's, jump and

build your wings on the way down.

I don't recommend that I, I'm not prescribing that for anybody else,

but for me, this guy, I do it often.

I jump and build my wings on the way down.

So I'd probably pick, go and then create on my way down

and then seek a soft landing.

So I, I, I will definitely say go.

That, be that, that begins most of my journeys.

For good or bad, it begins most of my journey.

So I'm still that go guy.

And then I try to create my wings to, to seek out where

this flight is gonna take me.

But it's always a go.

Yeah,

Very good.

Thank you for that.

Shiraz.

Check out.

Well done.

A passionate pursuit of purpose.

Get that We'll have links and everything.

I guess people can get it anywhere, right?

Amazon, all those places, right?

Amazon's easiest.

we, you can get it from our website, but, I think Amazon's easiest and

more, most efficient for, for, for most

Okay, we'll include the links down to the website and also CBHN.

Check that out.

That's, good information over there, great conversations going on there, and

just, I appreciate the conversation and I appreciate the connecting that we have

been able to do with, the conversations we've had over the last few months.

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