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Hello, travelers. My name is Grace

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Simmons, and this is the Random and

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Wonderful podcast. Settle in and listen

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to stories of wanderlust and

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transformation as you gain tips to

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inspire your next travel experience. The

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right. Hello, everyone, and welcome to

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the Random and Wonderful. Today, my guest

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is Annika Jackson, who I met

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at Podcast Movement. As you all would

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have noticed, there's been a wonderful

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stream of people, wonderful people that

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I've met and amazing stories that I've

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been able to collect and share with

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people that I've met at Podcast Movement.

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So, Annika, welcome. Please tell

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everyone a little bit about yourself, and

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then we'll get started. umm Thank you so

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much. Yeah, you are one of my favorite

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people I met at podcasting, I have to

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say. Gosh, I don't even know where to

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start. I have so many twists and turns in

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my story at this moment in time.

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I am a single mom,

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multifaceted, ADHD,

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fully present, realized it as an

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adult and realized that, yeah, it's a

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superpower. It also can hold me back

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sometimes that now I understand like, oh,

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this is the way my brain works. So I'm

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trying to figure out how to work with

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that. As I'm a college professor

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teaching digital media management,

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podcasting, sometimes PR and branding.

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As I am going back to school myself to

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get an MBA because I can't teach full

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time unless I have a master's degree. I

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have a podcast with USC Annenberg.

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Inside Some Digital Changemakers. I have

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my own podcast, Your Brand Amplified,

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that's almost four years old and 400

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episodes in. And I have a,

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you know, I do a little bit of coaching

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here and there for people on either

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nonprofit stuff, podcasting,

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brand strategy, public relations. I have

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a very organic career.

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And so I I know how to do

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things in a way where I'm like, how do we

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save money?How do we get the best bang

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for our buck?Because I'm always

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in that phase of reinventing and being

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that small entrepreneur who needs to

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maximize resources. And so that's really

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what I have a heart for, working with

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people who are in that same space.

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Yeah. You mentioned, like, a lot of what

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you do has an organic flow to it, which

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is really neat. But like, how do you even

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know where to start?Like, what started,

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and then these different pieces kind of

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connected?Ooh Well, I think part of it

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is in our blood. We

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have, whether it's you have generational

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trauma, I think there are other

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generational things that also pass

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through us. What is that my family is

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a long line of entrepreneurs, a long line

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of professors, educators, you know,

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and also people really involved in

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servant leadership. So helping other

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people, giving back, pouring into other

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people. And that's really what I

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realized. When I work with people at

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any level, I always take them through

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branding exercises andis you need to

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understand your own brand. And my brand

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is really about amplifying people's

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voices, making sure everybody understands

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that they have a voice, they have a story

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that needs to be told, that their story

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is unique and will inspire somebody else.

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My mom was an immigrant from Thailand.

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staying. And I saw a lot from her example

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of how she would-- we lived in Kansas,

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Lawrence, Kansas. She became a single mom

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how much she poured into us, how much she

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put her work. You know, she'd get up,

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make a hot breakfast for us every morning

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before she went to work and we went to

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school. I still do that for my daughter.

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certainly, but it's something that like I

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she's going to be in college soon. So

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yeah, you know, and then she would come

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home from work and she would play games

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with me and my little brother every night

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and just the love and care she put into

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us. To make sure that we knew that she

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something that was really important. For

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me, everything started organically.

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was in the club scene, music, DJs.

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you to start promoting for them in Kansas

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City and you'll get in free. That was the

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keyword, right?Done. Yeah, right.

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coffee house when coffee houses were very

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first becoming a thing. I'm aging myself

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in the early 90s. And then I got another

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DJ asked me to move to Chicago and be his

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assistant and work in a club there. And

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then he got me another job in a marketing

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firm. And then I was tired of Chicago in

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the snow and I moved to LA and that job

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got me another job. So it just was this

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whole cycle of being in the right place

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at the right time, people believing and

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not being afraid to ask. Umm

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did take a few years out of my career. I

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did a lot of other things, took a few

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years. Got married, had my daughter,

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was a stay at home mom. I mean, I was

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good for her, but I also was like, I

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always had to keep busy. You need to do

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stuff. But when I got divorced, I

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realized I had to get back into the

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workforce. I had to make money because I

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wasn't gonna get, you know, I wasn't

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gonna be supported the same way by any

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stretch of the imagination. And that led

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to me working for companies, starting my

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own businesses in Houston. And then when

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started over and I just. was

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tenacious. I I was like, I just

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want to do PR and branding and that stuff

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again. And I sent out resumes. I got

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interviews. I was like, maybe I need to

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do nonprofits, not getting any jobs here.

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in my 40s. I had a little bit of a break

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in my work experience, so people didn't

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see that linear career path that

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used to be the norm. You know, I'd spent

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like every dime moving back to LA. So

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that I could-- because my sister lived

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here, my brother lived here with his

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wife. My daughter wanted to come back to

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LA where she'd been born. My ex-husband

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wanted to come back. So I was like, OK,

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I'm going to make this happen, move back.

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to like-- I went from having a lifestyle

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in Houston, married to somebody who owned

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part of his company, being able to donate

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dollars a year to different charities,

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fashion, art. That whole thing,

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being in the papers, you know, getting my

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picture taken, chairing galas, that

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kind of lifestyle. And moving back

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here, I had to sell a lot of stuff. I had

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to really start over. I didn't have a

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safety net. You know, I had a few friends

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and some family that would give me money

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here and there. But a pivotal moment for

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me was when I was in a Walmart, buying

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food at like the Walmart grocery store in

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our neighborhood, dropped my daughter off

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at school, went to the Walmart, and my

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card was denied. umm And

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I was like, ooh, what am I gonna do?I

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don't have any food for my kid. So I was

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panicking. You know, something had gone

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through before I realized it was going to

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go through. So it was being on the other

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side of the coin from what I was used to.

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I was used to being the one who helped.

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me aside and said, I don't know what it

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is, but God is calling me to help

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you. I got what you need for you and your

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baby to get you through the next few

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days. and let me

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pay for it. I'm going to call you right

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now. Chills, yes. And you know

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that really humbled me and made me

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realize, like, I need to also accept

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help. I need to be, I need to admit

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whatever's going on with me and not, I

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think I was so used to being in that

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place where you, you know, what you see

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on social media, like, everything's

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perfect. You have, you're going out to

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all these events, you're dressing in all

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these cool clothes. doing all these cool

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things that you forget that you actually

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are a person. You have to-- Yeah. Yeah

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a little bit of work here and there. And

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then I'd been in LA about six months.

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December, right around my birthday.

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I went out, looked at the full moon,

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and I just put my hands up. I said, OK,

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God, I've done everything-- Jan, I have

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applied for every job. I have put out

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every resume. I don't know what else to

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do. It's just in your hands. And at that

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point, I was going on a trip back east

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with my boyfriend. He had bought his

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tickets to see his parents to go back to

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Philly. And I got a call on the way to

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the airport with somebody who said, Hey,

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I have a new client coming in. I think

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that it would be great for you to work

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with them. Yeah. I interviewed during

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Christmas, got the job. That started a

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new trajectory for me. And here I am,

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five years later, I'm now teaching grad

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school at USC, which is crazy to think

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about. Wow, yeah. I've had a

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business. I had a PR business during the

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pandemic. I moved over to a couple

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agencies. I have a, you know, I love

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podcasting. I found this amazing network.

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And I've just been consistently

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rebuilding, rebuilding, and it's all been

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faith and justbeing in the

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right place at the right time and being

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willing to learn whatever I needed to

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learn at that moment. Yeah.

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How do you even-- so like, yes, you have

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that moment of like realization, yes, I

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am a human, and yes, I need to ask for

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help. How do you even transition to then

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saying, like, what does asking for help

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look like ohh in that moment?

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In that moment, it was going well.

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Somebody else saw that I needed help, and

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they were willing to help me. And, you

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know,Benefits are there for everybody.

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It's not a bad thing if you have to go

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on food stamps or get other help.

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You have to be willing to ask. And it's

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not easy to do. They ask for a lot of

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paperwork and meetings. You

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know So they don't make it easy on people

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to get help. So you have to really want

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else I'm going to do right now. I know

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this will be temporary, but this is what

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I need. And so I had to be willing to let

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go of my own ego and

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be in that moment, right?And then

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it's it's a continuous process. Over the

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past five years, part of my journey has

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very much been realizing I have to put

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myself first. So I have nonprofits I

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work with. I have one particularly in

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Ghana. We built an orphan home. You pay

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for kids to go to school. We have organic

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farming that our partner in Ghana owns so

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that it can pour back into jobs,

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you know, fresh food. Money to pay for

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the orphans to get to school and

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for them to have people in the house who

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will take care of them. And I had to

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go, you know what, I've given so much and

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situations are worse than ours in the

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United States. But I had, you know, I

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just go to things like that, that mean a

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lot to me and say I can't give what I was

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giving before because I'm

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actually paying my bills, taking care of

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my kid. So I've had to make a lot of hard

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decisions. and really find that strength

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inside myself to

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use my voice and say, this

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isn't a no, but this is a no right now.

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that's a part of my own like travel

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journey as well, is learning how to use

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your voice, going from a place of not

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speaking so that other people feel more

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comfortable, and then realizing that you

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needed to speak up. Either to make the

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changes that are necessary or just to

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actually declare what it is that you're

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actually feeling, right. So just to be

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present versus just, you know, being a

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participant or like a viewer or something

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like that, using your voice to be able

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to establish those different

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boundaries, is that something that?You've

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had practice in or did you have to kind

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of grow to using that, especially after

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this transition of like, you know, big

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and fancy, you have this humble moment

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and now you're going back. How has that

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voice continued with you?Yeah,

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that's such a great question. Like I

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said, it's a constant struggle because

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when you are in that fancy world, you

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don't have to worry about it as much. And

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there are there are probably things

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looking back that I would change. I think

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I got really caught up in that, the

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external validation. versus internal

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validation. And so,

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funnily enough, moving back to LA, where

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there are celebrities, right,

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next to Hollywood, nobody cared if I went

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to any events, nobody cared if I had

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perfect makeup every day. I could just

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sit at home and I'm like, wait, people

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are gonna hire me just because they know

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that I'll do quality work, not for the

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trappings. And it's still

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taken me, I've taken on clients that were

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not the best clients because I thought,

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oh, I need this money to pay my team. So

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it's constantly learning to go with your

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gut. And as I'm saying that, I'm feeling

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that, like, feeling in my gut of, yeah,

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that was a lesson you were supposed to

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say no to. But you also learn, right?You

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take the lessons. And at this point, I

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think I've gotten a lot better at it. It

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really is true. Also, which I

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hate to say, and this is why I want

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younger people to really find their

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voices earlier. But as a woman,

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when you turn 40, there is a difference.

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I'm almost 50. And I feel like I've just

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found my stride. And there's a whole

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bunch more life ahead of me. Oh, that's

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happy. This year.

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and it's about having the maturity of

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having lived life, even if I'm younger,

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'cause Asian. You know, so even just

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having that, like, that little bit more

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experience and feeling like giving

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lessAttention, time,

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energy to the things that are not going

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to propel me forward. OK, yeah,

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say it that way. Yeah, yeahAnd it's a

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struggle, but I have been really working

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on it. I've been actually working with a

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former Zen monk who I met through like we

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were both, you know, just different

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network referral coaching groups.

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And I realized that the way I teach

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branding to students and to people I work

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with is this is kind of the same way he

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was teaching his work. But I didn't

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have that, that was he was the missing

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piece. Because when I talk about

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branding, I always want people to be

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authentic to who they are. Think about

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who you are, what your mission, vision,

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values are. Everything can come from

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that. That makes it much easier to say

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yes or no to things, if you're very clear

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on that. Because it aligned with where

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you wanna be, who you are, or is it not,

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right?But he teaches about connecting

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with yourself, connecting with your past,

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connecting with your present, visioning

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your future. Mm-hmmGetting

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comfortable in that space, doing a lot of

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work. And then that's where you find your

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voice. That's where the inner becomes

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outer and where you feel

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comfortable and confident in that

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voice. Hmm

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I'm curious about how do you make that

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like a teaching lesson to other people,

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especially maybe people who haven't

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experienced what you've experienced?Oh,

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that's such a great question. One way is

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modeling it. You know, my daughter is,

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she's 16. She's always interested in what

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meetings do you have?Who are you talking

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to?What are they about?I love that she

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has that inquisitive brain. And another

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thing that we love to do together is

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travel. So this year I will

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have traveled at least

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three to four months of the year. Yeah,

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crazy. I I wanted to travel more this

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year. I just didn't realize how much more

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it would be. And

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some of it's been in the US. So I've been

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to Vegas for an AI conference. I'm going

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down just down the street to Orange

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County for a few days for another AI

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conference. I've been to DC twice

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for a podcast movement and also I'm on

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the Intuit Small Business Council. So we

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go once a year to talk to Congress

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members about the needs of small

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businesses throughout the United States.

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Wow, OK, I traveled with my

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daughter over. Spring break, we

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did West Coast. So we started in

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Seattle, looked at college there, went to

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Oregon, looked at University of Oregon,

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then ended up at Palo Alto, looked at

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Stanford. And then I went to a

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wedding in Mexico. This

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past week, I took a little hooky trip and

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went to Red Rocks to see a concert.

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That's in Colorado. Never been there. It

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was a quick flight. Got there, had you

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know comp tickets to a band called Arcade

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Fire's 20th anniversary of their first

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album. Super fun, super beautiful

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venue. Flew home the next day. So I tried

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to incorporate a little bit of both kinds

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of trips. A little bit of fun. I

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went to Philly for 10 days to do some

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in-person classes for my MBA. Went to

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Canada for 10 days with my daughter to

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look at a college, but then see family

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that we have up there. Went and spent 10

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days in Greece, 10 days in England.

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And we're going to Thailand for about two

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weeks for my birthday and Christmas in

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December, and probably a couple other

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little trips in between. But

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what I think that's important

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about that is maintaining those values no

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matter where you go, but really getting

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to know the people where you are, doing

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things that locals do, right, embedding

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yourself. So when I was in England,

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meeting up with people I'd metAlong the

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way, I'd met actually a woman that I'd

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met at Podcast Movement Evolutions.

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Oh, cool. We met for dinner. One of my

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best friends lives there. I have some

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other people that I know from different

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things who live there. So I was able to

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go experience things the way that people

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would experience them who live there, go

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to their favorite pubs, restaurants, get

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their recommendations. I think that's

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something that you love to do too, right?

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Because travel really helps you.

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understand, appreciate, and feel more

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acceptance in the world of other people.

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Yeah. What they do, but then also

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hopefully not come across as the ugly

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American and know that we're not all like

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that, right?So So

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yeah, so those are some of the places.

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And then I'm part of a group called

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Influence Hers Foundation. I'm on the

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board, and it is a group of women of

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color and allies. We do

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mindfulness, wellness activities, online

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and offline, get together for brunches.

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Most recently, we went to an amazing

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brunch at a Michelin star Asian

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woman-owned restaurant in downtown LA.

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And we had different people talking about

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different charities that they worked with

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and different mission-driven

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opportunities. And then we are going to

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take trips also to

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Central and South America, to Africa, to

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show that volunteers aren't

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just white women.

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Yeah, right. Like that people who look

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like the people that we're helping serve

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want help and that we are going to be

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there. And so that's something that I

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think is really impactful because it's

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not on one hand you're coming in, you're

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helping, but we're really trying to work

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within the ecosystem of what's there and

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what's going to be not bringing all the,

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you know, that's what you hear a lot

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about like people bringing in and

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donating all the stuff and then that

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kills the local economy. We don't want to

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do that. So we want to say, what are your

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needs?What are you doing here?How can we

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help support?What you already have in

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place to help you grow in your own path,

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right. So that it's not just needing

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depending on other people, outside

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people, because nobody wants to do that.

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A point. A point.

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want to take a quick moment to tell you

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something exciting that's coming up. The

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cultivating confidence on this retreat

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is happening. From May 8th to

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the 12th, 2025, I'll be

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hosting A transformative retreat designed

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specifically for women dealing with

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imposter syndrome and self-doubt.

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We will be heading to the beautiful,

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tranquil lagoon of

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Bacalar, Mexico. This is going

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to be an opportunity for you to recharge,

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reflect, reconnect with yourself. So

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think daily yoga, meditation, gourmet

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meals, confidence building workshops, and

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plenty of adventure. We'll do kayaking,

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stand up paddle boarding. And day trips

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to explore the area. It's all about

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right, back to the episode.

532
00:20:31,636 --> 00:20:33,876
I enjoy that your story has a mix of

533
00:20:33,876 --> 00:20:35,556
like, yes, you do travel for work as

534
00:20:35,556 --> 00:20:37,636
well, but also you're mindful about

535
00:20:37,636 --> 00:20:39,716
including like fun

536
00:20:40,356 --> 00:20:42,396
into the trips, right. And so even if

537
00:20:42,396 --> 00:20:44,556
it's visiting family or there's a place

538
00:20:44,556 --> 00:20:46,436
that you want to check out, Red Rocks is

539
00:20:46,436 --> 00:20:48,716
definitely on my list and I'm so sad I

540
00:20:48,716 --> 00:20:50,636
didn't get to do it last year. Let's meet

541
00:20:50,636 --> 00:20:53,516
there because. Honestly, I can fly to

542
00:20:53,516 --> 00:20:56,116
LA, from LA to Denver, go to a

543
00:20:56,116 --> 00:20:58,876
concert, and it might take as much time

544
00:20:58,876 --> 00:21:00,236
as it would take me to drive into LA,

545
00:21:00,716 --> 00:21:03,076
find a parking spot. Nice. All right.

546
00:21:03,156 --> 00:21:05,156
RightAnd yeah, deal with all that mess.

547
00:21:05,156 --> 00:21:05,316
That's

548
00:21:08,916 --> 00:21:10,476
true. Then yeah, all right, well, we need

549
00:21:10,476 --> 00:21:12,356
to add that to the list because that's

550
00:21:12,396 --> 00:21:14,676
definitely, definitely like on the list

551
00:21:14,676 --> 00:21:16,636
of places. And I remember one of my

552
00:21:16,636 --> 00:21:17,876
favorite artists was there and I was

553
00:21:17,876 --> 00:21:20,836
like, How did I miss this?What in the

554
00:21:20,836 --> 00:21:23,556
world?Anywhere. So now I need to go back,

555
00:21:23,876 --> 00:21:26,556
but like incorporating that joy into it.

556
00:21:26,556 --> 00:21:28,676
And even when you're working and helping

557
00:21:28,676 --> 00:21:30,796
other people, I think it's also important

558
00:21:30,796 --> 00:21:33,236
that sometimes we tend to whore all of

559
00:21:33,236 --> 00:21:35,476
ourselves right into other people. And

560
00:21:35,796 --> 00:21:37,956
not that you shouldn't enjoy your your

561
00:21:37,956 --> 00:21:39,956
work or you shouldn't be, you know, self

562
00:21:39,956 --> 00:21:42,196
sacrificing, but I think there's a really

563
00:21:42,356 --> 00:21:44,676
unique balance of. Being able to have a

564
00:21:44,676 --> 00:21:46,516
community where you're sharing these

565
00:21:46,516 --> 00:21:48,676
different stories of how other people are

566
00:21:48,676 --> 00:21:50,756
helping others around the world, you

567
00:21:50,756 --> 00:21:52,596
mentioned like that image of the ugly

568
00:21:52,596 --> 00:21:54,916
American where there's a temptation to be

569
00:21:54,916 --> 00:21:57,556
like, I am a representation and let me

570
00:21:57,556 --> 00:21:59,237
show you how some of us can be really

571
00:21:59,237 --> 00:22:02,037
great. But then there's also like, yeah,

572
00:22:02,037 --> 00:22:04,757
yeah but I know I'm Grace. This is what I

573
00:22:04,757 --> 00:22:07,397
have to offer to these other people.

574
00:22:07,637 --> 00:22:09,717
And so, yeah, I like that there are

575
00:22:09,717 --> 00:22:12,557
touches of intentionality behind how you

576
00:22:12,557 --> 00:22:14,677
help other people, but then also how you

577
00:22:14,677 --> 00:22:16,997
get to explore the world with what you do

578
00:22:16,997 --> 00:22:19,797
and as you're still helping others. Yeah,

579
00:22:20,037 --> 00:22:22,037
that's very well-rounded anyway, is what

580
00:22:22,117 --> 00:22:23,837
I'm trying to say. Yeah, I think you I

581
00:22:23,837 --> 00:22:26,077
try, and I think part of that is one of

582
00:22:26,157 --> 00:22:28,117
other things that my mom did when we were

583
00:22:28,117 --> 00:22:30,277
growing up is when immigrants would come

584
00:22:30,277 --> 00:22:32,757
from Southeast Asian countries to

585
00:22:33,077 --> 00:22:36,037
Lawrence, Kansas, she would help

586
00:22:36,037 --> 00:22:38,077
them. She was paid by the local churches

587
00:22:38,077 --> 00:22:39,397
and the people who helped bring people

588
00:22:39,397 --> 00:22:41,957
over. So she would take me with her. And

589
00:22:41,957 --> 00:22:44,037
I would sit and play with the kids, and

590
00:22:44,037 --> 00:22:46,397
she would go in and teach, Here's how you

591
00:22:46,437 --> 00:22:48,037
actually wash dishes, or, Here's how you

592
00:22:48,837 --> 00:22:50,277
don't discipline your children in the

593
00:22:50,277 --> 00:22:51,957
United States. For all the things,

594
00:22:51,957 --> 00:22:53,717
because there are these nuanced

595
00:22:53,717 --> 00:22:55,997
differences in every culture. And

596
00:22:56,277 --> 00:22:59,157
so I got to see a lot of that in

597
00:22:59,157 --> 00:23:01,637
action, and that really made my

598
00:23:01,637 --> 00:23:04,357
perspective open. Also, the fact that my

599
00:23:04,357 --> 00:23:07,237
father was an Air Force brat, if

600
00:23:07,237 --> 00:23:09,517
you will. My grandfather built Air Force

601
00:23:09,517 --> 00:23:12,437
bases all over the world. So my dad spoke

602
00:23:12,437 --> 00:23:14,277
a lot of different language. He went to

603
00:23:14,997 --> 00:23:17,317
high school in Morocco. He did

604
00:23:17,317 --> 00:23:19,797
construction in Turkey when he was 19. He

605
00:23:19,797 --> 00:23:21,637
lived in Italy, he lived in France, he

606
00:23:21,637 --> 00:23:23,477
spoke these different, but he was really

607
00:23:23,477 --> 00:23:25,477
culturally aware. And so they instilled

608
00:23:25,477 --> 00:23:27,237
in me this value of also we're like, we

609
00:23:27,237 --> 00:23:29,797
are a global community. And that makes it

610
00:23:29,797 --> 00:23:31,637
really fun, right?How can you not have

611
00:23:31,637 --> 00:23:34,037
joy in like meeting people and learning

612
00:23:34,037 --> 00:23:36,917
about who they are?Yeah. Yeah

613
00:23:37,557 --> 00:23:39,197
There's a complete difference, I think,

614
00:23:39,197 --> 00:23:40,917
between being like a tourist and a

615
00:23:40,917 --> 00:23:43,277
traveler. It doesn't seem like it's on

616
00:23:43,277 --> 00:23:45,477
purpose, but there is a strong

617
00:23:45,477 --> 00:23:48,117
restriction if you're a tourist from

618
00:23:48,117 --> 00:23:50,037
involving yourself with the people that

619
00:23:50,037 --> 00:23:52,197
you meet when you're traveling or getting

620
00:23:52,197 --> 00:23:54,717
to understand their, like,What a day in

621
00:23:54,717 --> 00:23:56,757
the life of a local looks like. And I

622
00:23:56,757 --> 00:23:58,597
think if you get in that mindset of like

623
00:23:58,757 --> 00:24:00,438
a traveler, you want to ask those

624
00:24:00,438 --> 00:24:02,598
questions. You want to, you know, maybe

625
00:24:02,598 --> 00:24:04,158
you'll see a video of some type of food

626
00:24:04,158 --> 00:24:05,558
and you want to ask the locals like, is

627
00:24:05,558 --> 00:24:07,238
this really what you guys like to eat or

628
00:24:07,398 --> 00:24:09,318
what does it mean?Why?You know, like

629
00:24:09,638 --> 00:24:11,158
there's so many other questions. I think

630
00:24:11,158 --> 00:24:12,918
more meaningful questions that can come

631
00:24:12,918 --> 00:24:15,438
up if you do have that open heart and

632
00:24:15,438 --> 00:24:17,638
interest in other people. I just love the

633
00:24:17,638 --> 00:24:19,478
nuance of what you said because.

634
00:24:20,358 --> 00:24:22,278
tourist, you do think about people who

635
00:24:22,278 --> 00:24:23,758
want to find restaurants they're familiar

636
00:24:23,758 --> 00:24:26,438
with. Right. They do want a

637
00:24:26,438 --> 00:24:28,198
different experience. Or we hear about

638
00:24:28,518 --> 00:24:30,358
places that are beautiful cultures, but

639
00:24:30,598 --> 00:24:32,278
you can't leave the resort or you never

640
00:24:32,278 --> 00:24:34,758
leave the resort. Right. RightAnd that's

641
00:24:34,758 --> 00:24:36,038
another kind of experience I want to

642
00:24:36,038 --> 00:24:38,438
have. Even when I've been a

643
00:24:38,438 --> 00:24:40,518
tourist, and I I don't remember if I

644
00:24:40,518 --> 00:24:43,278
connected you to the animal

645
00:24:43,278 --> 00:24:45,158
rescue resort in Costa Rica. Did we talk

646
00:24:45,158 --> 00:24:48,038
about that?No. Oh, OK.

647
00:24:48,078 --> 00:24:50,838
Well,So there is this

648
00:24:50,998 --> 00:24:53,598
group of people that moved from Israel to

649
00:24:53,638 --> 00:24:56,358
Costa Rica a long time ago. They brought

650
00:24:56,358 --> 00:24:58,198
80 animals with them. They were very

651
00:24:58,198 --> 00:25:00,998
peaceful, kind of hippie, vegan. You

652
00:25:00,998 --> 00:25:02,198
know, they didn't want to live-- like,

653
00:25:02,198 --> 00:25:04,918
they didn't want to have the same lives,

654
00:25:05,158 --> 00:25:07,918
like corporate lives, all that stuff that

655
00:25:07,918 --> 00:25:10,038
they'd have if they had stayed in Israel.

656
00:25:10,598 --> 00:25:12,118
They just wanted to be peaceful. And so

657
00:25:12,118 --> 00:25:14,678
they bought a resort in Costa Rica that

658
00:25:14,678 --> 00:25:16,478
was up for sale. They brought all their

659
00:25:16,478 --> 00:25:18,238
animals because they love animals. And

660
00:25:18,238 --> 00:25:20,998
then people started realizing, oh, they

661
00:25:20,998 --> 00:25:22,918
love animals. We can just abandon our

662
00:25:22,918 --> 00:25:24,838
animals to them because there's no

663
00:25:24,838 --> 00:25:27,398
national system in Costa Rica.

664
00:25:27,798 --> 00:25:29,558
They have so many animals now, dogs,

665
00:25:29,558 --> 00:25:32,078
cats, horses, ducks,

666
00:25:32,598 --> 00:25:35,518
chickens, like so many things that you

667
00:25:35,518 --> 00:25:38,478
wouldn't even expect. And they have done

668
00:25:38,478 --> 00:25:40,718
a campaign where they've just invited

669
00:25:40,718 --> 00:25:42,118
people that they think would be animal

670
00:25:42,118 --> 00:25:44,438
lovers to come down and experience the

671
00:25:44,438 --> 00:25:46,198
resort. You have to buy your flight

672
00:25:46,198 --> 00:25:47,318
ticket. You have to take care of

673
00:25:47,318 --> 00:25:49,558
transportation from the airport, but then

674
00:25:49,558 --> 00:25:52,078
you get to stay there for free. All your

675
00:25:52,078 --> 00:25:54,238
meals are free. They're vegan, but they

676
00:25:54,318 --> 00:25:55,718
have some really good vegan meals there.

677
00:25:56,038 --> 00:25:58,558
Okay, yeah. Zip lining, river

678
00:25:58,558 --> 00:26:01,399
rafting, horseback riding, all for free.

679
00:26:01,879 --> 00:26:03,799
And you also tour the animal rescue to

680
00:26:03,799 --> 00:26:05,639
see the animals and play with the cats

681
00:26:05,639 --> 00:26:08,359
and the dogs. We learn. And

682
00:26:08,519 --> 00:26:10,399
that can be really overwhelming. I have

683
00:26:10,399 --> 00:26:12,439
pets, I love animals, but I'm not, that's

684
00:26:12,439 --> 00:26:15,239
not my big cause. Yeah, yeahBut I

685
00:26:15,319 --> 00:26:16,919
was invited. So I took my daughter there

686
00:26:16,919 --> 00:26:19,639
one year, actually last year, for

687
00:26:20,439 --> 00:26:22,919
like her midwinter break from school.

688
00:26:23,639 --> 00:26:25,279
And it was just really lovely. And there

689
00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:26,759
were other people who had much bigger

690
00:26:26,759 --> 00:26:28,999
followings and were really actual

691
00:26:28,999 --> 00:26:31,239
influencers. There were people who'd been

692
00:26:31,239 --> 00:26:33,359
on reality shows, like Too Hot to Handle

693
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,479
and things like that, who were there. OK.

694
00:26:35,879 --> 00:26:37,879
We just-- that's the way that they're

695
00:26:37,879 --> 00:26:40,759
pouring back. And so while I was

696
00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:42,959
confined to this one resort, I still got

697
00:26:42,959 --> 00:26:45,799
to see a lot of talking to people who

698
00:26:45,799 --> 00:26:48,039
worked there who were locals, talking to

699
00:26:48,039 --> 00:26:49,799
people who had found their home there,

700
00:26:49,799 --> 00:26:50,839
even though they weren't from there

701
00:26:50,839 --> 00:26:52,959
originally, learning about the good that

702
00:26:52,959 --> 00:26:54,279
they're putting into the world to see how

703
00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:56,759
I could help. And that that was like,

704
00:26:56,999 --> 00:26:59,079
that's the experience where you feel good

705
00:26:59,079 --> 00:27:01,959
about going to a place, staying

706
00:27:01,959 --> 00:27:04,279
in one area, right?Because that really

707
00:27:04,279 --> 00:27:06,279
was a travel experience, not a tourist

708
00:27:06,279 --> 00:27:08,639
experience. Yeah, like the

709
00:27:08,639 --> 00:27:11,079
entire that space was the experience

710
00:27:11,159 --> 00:27:13,959
versus hiding on the resort, right,

711
00:27:14,039 --> 00:27:16,999
from other places. Yeah. They still reach

712
00:27:16,999 --> 00:27:19,719
out. We've done contests to get people to

713
00:27:19,719 --> 00:27:21,399
donate money and they've given a trip to

714
00:27:21,439 --> 00:27:24,039
a friend, right?If they have a very

715
00:27:24,039 --> 00:27:25,559
serious animal situation, they'll say,

716
00:27:25,559 --> 00:27:27,399
hey, can you repost this on your stories

717
00:27:27,399 --> 00:27:29,319
or can you share this because this dog

718
00:27:29,319 --> 00:27:30,679
came to us and this is what happened and

719
00:27:30,679 --> 00:27:31,799
we need to raise X amount for their

720
00:27:31,799 --> 00:27:34,359
surgery. It's-- they're just really

721
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,279
beautiful, kind people. And those are the

722
00:27:36,279 --> 00:27:37,839
kind of people you want to meet. And

723
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:39,399
you're like, yeah, I want to keep helping

724
00:27:39,399 --> 00:27:41,279
them. Yeah. I'm like, OK, I have to

725
00:27:41,479 --> 00:27:43,679
choose Grace to Asaf. So if you can get

726
00:27:43,679 --> 00:27:46,439
that trip and go down, yeah. That

727
00:27:46,559 --> 00:27:49,119
would be really cool, actually. Nice.

728
00:27:49,879 --> 00:27:50,919
Yeah. All right, so you know I have to

729
00:27:50,919 --> 00:27:52,839
throw like a random travel question in

730
00:27:52,839 --> 00:27:55,399
here. What is-- do you have a favorite

731
00:27:55,399 --> 00:27:57,639
travel story that you like to share?Oh,

732
00:27:57,639 --> 00:27:59,720
my gosh-- Even though you just told a

733
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,200
really good--I

734
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,800
have to think about that, because

735
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,120
I've had weird travel stories

736
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,160
where-- I mean, weird in the context of I

737
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:12,920
wanted to go to St. Bart's for my

738
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:14,320
honeymoon when I got married to my

739
00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:16,920
daughter's dad. Mm-hmmI think that's very

740
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,800
posh and fancy. We was involved

741
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,400
with a charity-- I'm still involved--

742
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,080
called Junior League of Los Angeles. And

743
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,920
somebody had given a certificate for a

744
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,040
stay at their place in St. Bart's or

745
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,120
whatever. I really wanted it, so we've

746
00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:32,280
been on it. We get there. It's like

747
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,080
mosquito infested. I got like so many

748
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,960
mosquito. It was not a

749
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,880
she she by any means. OK. Sometimes you

750
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,120
have to reset your expectations. Yeah.

751
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,560
You have to be willing to be flexible

752
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,120
when you go someplace. It might not be

753
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:49,960
exactly what you think it is. It might be

754
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,400
better. Or you might have to pivot. We

755
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:53,800
ended up leaving and going and checking

756
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,080
in someplace else and finding just a tiny

757
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,680
little place, but it was perfect. So I

758
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,840
thinkThe experiences where you learn

759
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,080
something, where you're willing to be

760
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,320
adaptable, where you

761
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,560
aren't as rigid, right, are the best

762
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,200
ones. Like my daughter is one of my

763
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:11,760
favorite travel partners. We travel the

764
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,280
same way. My boyfriend is one of my

765
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:15,920
favorite travel partners, because he does

766
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,920
set things up where he's like, OK, if

767
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,640
we're driving somewhere, let's take this

768
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,160
much time to drive, and let's go see this

769
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,440
really cool thing. So it's really the

770
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,120
whole journeys and experience. Right?And

771
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,200
I think that's, I mean, when people say

772
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,680
the journey is the destination, it really

773
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,560
is true. So I would urge everybody to to

774
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,760
think about travel as a great way to

775
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,520
learn about yourself, to make yourself

776
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,960
open to new experiences, new people, and

777
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,400
also find yourself along the way. Yeah.

778
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,080
Yes. You better advertise for

779
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,320
this travel experience. I love

780
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,680
it. Have you found that travelI know like

781
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,000
it's helped with development or kind of--

782
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,480
travel's been a part of your experience

783
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,601
as you are growing and learning. But do

784
00:30:01,601 --> 00:30:04,441
you think it's been a lesson?Or

785
00:30:04,441 --> 00:30:07,041
has it just been like a part of that

786
00:30:07,041 --> 00:30:09,801
journey?It has definitely been a lesson.

787
00:30:10,441 --> 00:30:13,321
I'm thinking, too-- this is 20 years ago,

788
00:30:13,321 --> 00:30:15,161
so I'm aging myself still. Well, I

789
00:30:15,161 --> 00:30:17,561
already did that. But my now

790
00:30:17,561 --> 00:30:19,681
ex-husband-- I think this is even-- this

791
00:30:19,681 --> 00:30:21,561
is before we were even married. He had

792
00:30:21,561 --> 00:30:24,041
some work in Johannesburg, South Africa.

793
00:30:24,761 --> 00:30:27,641
And I had dropped out of college to

794
00:30:27,641 --> 00:30:29,361
work. And then I went back, and I

795
00:30:29,401 --> 00:30:32,281
graduated in 2004. So he's

796
00:30:32,281 --> 00:30:33,561
like, well, why don't you meet me there?

797
00:30:33,641 --> 00:30:35,881
So I met him in Cape Town, one of my

798
00:30:36,601 --> 00:30:39,441
top favorite cities anywhere in the

799
00:30:39,441 --> 00:30:41,841
world ever, ever, ever, ever. Nice. OK.

800
00:30:42,201 --> 00:30:45,081
But apartheid had just been a thing.

801
00:30:45,081 --> 00:30:47,561
People were still very

802
00:30:48,041 --> 00:30:50,521
eggshelly about it. And I had these

803
00:30:50,521 --> 00:30:53,041
experience where I'm considered colored

804
00:30:53,041 --> 00:30:55,321
there because anybody who's like Asian,

805
00:30:55,321 --> 00:30:58,241
Indian, mixed is colored. And

806
00:30:58,241 --> 00:31:00,281
so I brought tour guides who were white,

807
00:31:00,281 --> 00:31:02,361
like almost be apologizing to me.

808
00:31:03,401 --> 00:31:06,201
We'd go to restaurants and it was

809
00:31:06,281 --> 00:31:08,001
interesting that both among the

810
00:31:08,001 --> 00:31:10,321
Afrikaner, the white community and the

811
00:31:10,321 --> 00:31:13,161
black community, it was very much more

812
00:31:13,201 --> 00:31:16,041
of men are high, high, high above women.

813
00:31:16,521 --> 00:31:19,481
So we went to a restaurant that was like,

814
00:31:19,881 --> 00:31:22,281
you know, native foods from South Africa,

815
00:31:22,361 --> 00:31:23,601
from different villages. It was an

816
00:31:23,601 --> 00:31:26,041
amazing meal. But then I was paying for

817
00:31:26,041 --> 00:31:28,601
the meal, and the waitress was completely

818
00:31:28,601 --> 00:31:31,401
taken aback that I was paying

819
00:31:31,401 --> 00:31:33,681
for a man. And so

820
00:31:34,281 --> 00:31:35,761
that was-- seeing how people were

821
00:31:35,761 --> 00:31:38,161
reacting to me, being a foreigner in this

822
00:31:38,161 --> 00:31:40,441
country, but them putting their own

823
00:31:40,441 --> 00:31:42,201
constructs was really an awakening

824
00:31:42,201 --> 00:31:44,441
experience. And it's one that will stick

825
00:31:44,441 --> 00:31:46,761
with me for my whole life and

826
00:31:47,321 --> 00:31:48,681
gave me a lot of things to think about, a

827
00:31:48,681 --> 00:31:51,241
lot of lessons. and how to approach

828
00:31:51,241 --> 00:31:52,601
people, how to approach situations, how

829
00:31:52,601 --> 00:31:54,601
to appreciate people from where they're

830
00:31:54,601 --> 00:31:56,601
coming from and not just my own views,

831
00:31:56,601 --> 00:31:58,001
right, and hope that they would do the

832
00:31:58,001 --> 00:31:59,521
same for me. But sometimes they do,

833
00:31:59,521 --> 00:32:01,802
sometimes they don't. So that's a place

834
00:32:01,802 --> 00:32:04,762
where I experienced a big lesson. Hmm So

835
00:32:04,922 --> 00:32:07,322
like in that scenario, then, first, have

836
00:32:07,562 --> 00:32:10,442
you gone back?No, I want to.

837
00:32:10,842 --> 00:32:13,762
OK. I want to. I also want to get-- I've

838
00:32:13,762 --> 00:32:15,722
been working with a nonprofit in Ghana

839
00:32:15,722 --> 00:32:18,042
for over 15 years.

840
00:32:18,722 --> 00:32:21,002
And I've never been, because every year I

841
00:32:21,002 --> 00:32:23,082
was like, I can either pay for a plane

842
00:32:23,082 --> 00:32:25,762
ticket, or I can put more money into the

843
00:32:25,762 --> 00:32:28,442
nonprofit. Me too. More kids. And so I've

844
00:32:28,442 --> 00:32:31,202
always done that. Oh, yeah. The other

845
00:32:31,202 --> 00:32:32,522
thing is, if you're going to go, it's a

846
00:32:32,602 --> 00:32:34,562
long trip. So I think if you're going to

847
00:32:34,562 --> 00:32:36,482
go make an investment, I want to go to

848
00:32:36,482 --> 00:32:38,482
Africa for like three weeks, a month.

849
00:32:38,922 --> 00:32:41,242
Yeah. Really be able to experience. Have

850
00:32:41,242 --> 00:32:42,082
to. Yeah. Mm-hmm,

851
00:32:43,802 --> 00:32:46,522
mm-hmmMy question to your experience in

852
00:32:46,522 --> 00:32:49,402
Cape Town was, soDo you feel so now that

853
00:32:49,482 --> 00:32:52,002
you've understanding like how people

854
00:32:52,002 --> 00:32:54,002
would see you, do you feel like you then

855
00:32:54,002 --> 00:32:56,762
need to adjust in a certain way?

856
00:32:56,762 --> 00:32:58,602
Like is there some sort of adaption that

857
00:32:58,682 --> 00:33:01,482
needs to happen or are you still

858
00:33:01,482 --> 00:33:03,322
going in with like, I understand this is

859
00:33:03,322 --> 00:33:05,162
how people are gonna think and then I

860
00:33:05,162 --> 00:33:07,402
need to be a certain way. Yeah. OK. I

861
00:33:07,402 --> 00:33:09,602
think you said it very eloquently

862
00:33:09,602 --> 00:33:11,522
earlier. You said, I'm Grace, I'm not

863
00:33:11,522 --> 00:33:13,882
gonna worry about, you know, So I think,

864
00:33:14,042 --> 00:33:15,242
yeah, I'm gonna come in as myself, but

865
00:33:15,242 --> 00:33:18,042
I'm also going to be cognizant of. When

866
00:33:18,042 --> 00:33:20,642
I'm in Thailand, yeah, if I'm going to go

867
00:33:20,642 --> 00:33:23,322
into temples, I'm not going to wear coats

868
00:33:23,322 --> 00:33:25,002
and a tank top, right?I'm going to be

869
00:33:25,002 --> 00:33:26,722
covered appropriately when I'm in

870
00:33:26,722 --> 00:33:28,522
different cultures, because that's

871
00:33:28,522 --> 00:33:30,842
respectful to the people that I'm

872
00:33:30,882 --> 00:33:32,762
visiting. And that that is also my

873
00:33:32,762 --> 00:33:34,282
culture. But there are a lot of other

874
00:33:34,282 --> 00:33:37,042
examples you can give. But yeah, so I

875
00:33:37,042 --> 00:33:38,682
think it's keep being true to yourself,

876
00:33:38,682 --> 00:33:41,402
but also be mindful of where you

877
00:33:41,402 --> 00:33:43,882
are and being respectful of somebody

878
00:33:43,882 --> 00:33:46,562
else's culture. HmmI like that.

879
00:33:46,802 --> 00:33:49,162
It's a good mix and a good balance. You

880
00:33:49,162 --> 00:33:50,762
mentioned that you have, or you're

881
00:33:50,762 --> 00:33:52,962
working with two podcasts, at least. I

882
00:33:52,962 --> 00:33:54,402
don't want it associated with the school,

883
00:33:54,402 --> 00:33:56,042
but then you have your own. Could you

884
00:33:56,042 --> 00:33:58,002
describe the two?And then how do you

885
00:33:58,002 --> 00:33:59,882
manage two podcasts?

886
00:34:01,323 --> 00:34:04,043
One is Mediascape Insights from

887
00:34:04,043 --> 00:34:06,243
Digital Changemakers. That is the one

888
00:34:06,243 --> 00:34:08,283
with USC Annenberg. And it's through the

889
00:34:08,283 --> 00:34:10,203
program that I mostly teach for, which is

890
00:34:10,203 --> 00:34:12,283
the Master of Science in Digital Media

891
00:34:12,283 --> 00:34:15,003
Management. SoThat one is

892
00:34:15,003 --> 00:34:17,523
once a week. You know It's It's

893
00:34:17,643 --> 00:34:20,083
great. Mostly I interview professors, I

894
00:34:20,083 --> 00:34:21,243
interview people who I think would be

895
00:34:21,243 --> 00:34:22,523
interesting for the students to listen

896
00:34:22,523 --> 00:34:25,163
to. The other one is called Your Brand

897
00:34:25,163 --> 00:34:28,123
Amplified. And I had

898
00:34:28,283 --> 00:34:30,523
had two podcasts for clients before it,

899
00:34:30,643 --> 00:34:32,443
and that just didn't work out very well

900
00:34:32,443 --> 00:34:33,563
'cause they didn't have the budget to

901
00:34:33,563 --> 00:34:35,163
sustain it, they weren't using them as

902
00:34:35,163 --> 00:34:37,523
marketing tools. And then my boyfriend's

903
00:34:37,523 --> 00:34:39,883
like, I'm in the film industry, why don't

904
00:34:39,883 --> 00:34:42,003
you just do your own and I'll do some

905
00:34:42,003 --> 00:34:44,043
editing for you, help you get it set up.

906
00:34:44,443 --> 00:34:46,603
Then it got to be bigger, and he teased

907
00:34:46,603 --> 00:34:49,563
out on that. But that one,

908
00:34:49,763 --> 00:34:51,643
and this is something important for

909
00:34:51,643 --> 00:34:53,163
anybody, whatever you're doing, if you're

910
00:34:53,163 --> 00:34:54,483
starting a business, you're starting a

911
00:34:54,483 --> 00:34:56,843
podcast, where you start is never where

912
00:34:56,843 --> 00:34:58,923
you're going to end up. So I was like,

913
00:34:59,443 --> 00:35:01,563
Drive time in the United States is 27

914
00:35:01,563 --> 00:35:03,243
minutes on average. I'm going to keep my

915
00:35:03,243 --> 00:35:05,963
podcast to under this time frame. I'm

916
00:35:05,963 --> 00:35:07,483
going to ask these five questions, and

917
00:35:07,483 --> 00:35:08,923
I'm only going to interview publicists.

918
00:35:09,563 --> 00:35:11,203
That wasn't my personality, though, and

919
00:35:11,203 --> 00:35:13,803
it did not work, didn't feel natural.

920
00:35:14,203 --> 00:35:16,963
I tried it. So I quickly pivoted to, I'm

921
00:35:16,963 --> 00:35:18,843
going to interview brands. And And then

922
00:35:18,843 --> 00:35:21,483
now it's, I interview a wide range of

923
00:35:21,483 --> 00:35:24,443
people talking about life strategies,

924
00:35:24,443 --> 00:35:26,123
business strategies. I interview people

925
00:35:26,123 --> 00:35:28,523
who have created the technologies that we

926
00:35:28,523 --> 00:35:31,003
use, like who have the patents for Syria,

927
00:35:31,083 --> 00:35:32,443
you know, that Syria and Alexa are based

928
00:35:32,443 --> 00:35:34,003
on. I talk to people who are at the

929
00:35:34,003 --> 00:35:36,523
forefront and like have worked on

930
00:35:36,683 --> 00:35:38,603
billion dollar deals for businesses. But

931
00:35:38,603 --> 00:35:41,243
then I also talk to people more like me,

932
00:35:41,483 --> 00:35:43,083
who are small business entrepreneurs,

933
00:35:43,163 --> 00:35:45,843
who've had,ups and downs and want to

934
00:35:45,843 --> 00:35:47,083
share their journey and share some

935
00:35:47,083 --> 00:35:50,003
tricks, tips that others might find

936
00:35:50,003 --> 00:35:52,843
helpful, whether it's work and life,

937
00:35:53,483 --> 00:35:55,283
one or the other, you know, or both. So I

938
00:35:55,283 --> 00:35:57,403
bring on a large variety of guests, which

939
00:35:57,403 --> 00:36:00,204
I know is not probably what I

940
00:36:00,204 --> 00:36:02,524
should be doing as a podcaster, right?I'm

941
00:36:02,524 --> 00:36:05,444
not used down, but it makes it

942
00:36:05,444 --> 00:36:08,244
more interesting for me as well.

943
00:36:08,564 --> 00:36:10,124
And I think it makes it more interesting

944
00:36:10,124 --> 00:36:13,084
for my listeners becauseThey're also

945
00:36:13,084 --> 00:36:15,404
people and they want to hear, sometimes

946
00:36:15,404 --> 00:36:16,924
they want to tune in and hear expert

947
00:36:16,924 --> 00:36:18,324
advice, and sometimes they want to tune

948
00:36:18,324 --> 00:36:21,004
in and hear me talking to somebody about

949
00:36:21,004 --> 00:36:22,204
coaching or

950
00:36:23,484 --> 00:36:25,844
manifestation or feng shui for your

951
00:36:25,844 --> 00:36:28,764
office. So it's worked well.

952
00:36:28,764 --> 00:36:31,324
I have a good sized audience and,

953
00:36:31,804 --> 00:36:33,564
you know, advertisers and things like

954
00:36:33,604 --> 00:36:35,644
that. So it helps me fund. So how do I

955
00:36:35,644 --> 00:36:37,084
manage it all?That's a really good

956
00:36:37,084 --> 00:36:39,404
question. I release five episodes a week

957
00:36:39,404 --> 00:36:42,364
between the two podcasts. Oh my gosh. So

958
00:36:42,364 --> 00:36:44,924
four for mine, one for the university.

959
00:36:45,564 --> 00:36:47,884
The reason I do that is partly because I

960
00:36:47,884 --> 00:36:50,284
had such a backlog of guests and content

961
00:36:51,444 --> 00:36:52,844
that I I don't have that as-- well, I

962
00:36:52,844 --> 00:36:54,924
have a backlog of guests. I have guests

963
00:36:54,924 --> 00:36:56,484
booked out through the middle of next

964
00:36:56,484 --> 00:36:59,204
year. But I want guests to not have to

965
00:36:59,204 --> 00:37:01,164
wait a year to get on my podcast, which

966
00:37:01,164 --> 00:37:03,884
many of them do, but then have to

967
00:37:03,884 --> 00:37:06,044
wait another three to six months for

968
00:37:06,044 --> 00:37:08,124
their episode to be released. So now,

969
00:37:08,364 --> 00:37:10,844
episodes release about two weeks or so

970
00:37:10,844 --> 00:37:13,244
after we record, and I try to batch them.

971
00:37:13,244 --> 00:37:14,764
So like this week, I did eight episodes

972
00:37:14,764 --> 00:37:15,964
between Wednesday and Friday. Hmm

973
00:37:17,324 --> 00:37:19,924
So I have to do it when I have the space

974
00:37:19,924 --> 00:37:21,524
and the time, because I know that they're

975
00:37:21,524 --> 00:37:23,364
going to be really busy moments. I have a

976
00:37:23,364 --> 00:37:26,244
really great team. I did work with a

977
00:37:26,244 --> 00:37:28,804
US team when I had my agency, but I

978
00:37:28,804 --> 00:37:30,364
couldn't sustain the cost because it's

979
00:37:30,364 --> 00:37:32,484
all me paying for stuff. So then I

980
00:37:32,484 --> 00:37:35,124
approved too. a team. I have an admin and

981
00:37:35,124 --> 00:37:36,844
an editor from the Philippines. They're

982
00:37:36,844 --> 00:37:38,764
amazing, the quality of work. I've worked

983
00:37:38,764 --> 00:37:40,724
with them for a long time, and that has

984
00:37:40,724 --> 00:37:43,244
just helped me so much. And then we use

985
00:37:43,404 --> 00:37:46,044
tools like Simplified and other tools

986
00:37:46,444 --> 00:37:48,444
to, you know, help the process,

987
00:37:48,444 --> 00:37:50,444
post-production process move along

988
00:37:50,444 --> 00:37:53,404
seamlessly. Nice, okay.

989
00:37:53,884 --> 00:37:55,484
So it's manageable. Yeah,

990
00:37:56,844 --> 00:37:58,884
the big thing is if you're gonna start

991
00:37:58,884 --> 00:38:00,565
it, be consistent, know what your brand

992
00:38:00,685 --> 00:38:02,485
is. understand how to set it up as a

993
00:38:02,485 --> 00:38:04,725
business entity, if it's your bread and

994
00:38:04,725 --> 00:38:07,445
butter, or how to use it as a tool to

995
00:38:07,485 --> 00:38:10,285
promote your business, right?There's so

996
00:38:10,285 --> 00:38:12,565
many things and and that's, I really want

997
00:38:12,565 --> 00:38:14,565
to help people. So that's a program that

998
00:38:14,565 --> 00:38:16,525
I'm launching is Pod Pro Launchpad to

999
00:38:16,525 --> 00:38:18,965
help people like me, but not take the

1000
00:38:19,005 --> 00:38:20,845
many years and the amount of money I

1001
00:38:20,845 --> 00:38:23,405
spent figuring out that this was actually

1002
00:38:23,405 --> 00:38:25,245
business and just start with this

1003
00:38:25,245 --> 00:38:28,045
foundation and help them understand, here

1004
00:38:28,485 --> 00:38:30,285
are monetization methods, here are growth

1005
00:38:30,285 --> 00:38:32,405
methods. You know, here's what you need,

1006
00:38:32,405 --> 00:38:34,125
but it really is just be consistent,

1007
00:38:34,285 --> 00:38:37,085
minimize your expenses. You don't

1008
00:38:37,085 --> 00:38:39,285
need a $20,000 studio and a $1,000 mic to

1009
00:38:39,325 --> 00:38:42,045
get started. Right. Yeah.

1010
00:38:43,405 --> 00:38:46,285
Nice. All right, so before we wrap

1011
00:38:46,285 --> 00:38:49,165
up, I'm curious, what is your

1012
00:38:49,165 --> 00:38:51,325
go-to self-care practice?

1013
00:38:54,205 --> 00:38:56,685
Mm-hmmOoh, I have a few. I listen to

1014
00:38:56,685 --> 00:38:58,845
subliminals when I went to sleep.

1015
00:38:59,485 --> 00:39:02,445
I do a lot of self-reflection during the

1016
00:39:02,445 --> 00:39:04,845
day. This is going to sound funny for

1017
00:39:04,845 --> 00:39:06,365
self-care, but I try to take breaks

1018
00:39:06,365 --> 00:39:08,045
between meetings when I can so that I can

1019
00:39:08,045 --> 00:39:10,045
do something for myself, read a little

1020
00:39:10,045 --> 00:39:12,205
bit of a book, listen to a podcast, walk

1021
00:39:12,205 --> 00:39:14,125
the dogs, just get a little refresh

1022
00:39:14,645 --> 00:39:16,805
mindset. And then I'm working with Alan

1023
00:39:16,805 --> 00:39:18,925
Knight, who's a former Zen monk. His

1024
00:39:18,925 --> 00:39:21,805
program is the Zen Activation Program,

1025
00:39:21,885 --> 00:39:23,485
and I'm I'm going through and training

1026
00:39:23,485 --> 00:39:25,845
under him to eventually become a

1027
00:39:25,845 --> 00:39:28,765
certified coach and help

1028
00:39:29,405 --> 00:39:31,245
You know, coach other people and train

1029
00:39:31,245 --> 00:39:32,765
other people who want to get certified.

1030
00:39:33,405 --> 00:39:35,125
And that has been a really big help

1031
00:39:35,125 --> 00:39:36,765
because that holds me really accountable

1032
00:39:37,245 --> 00:39:39,805
to am I pointing to myself enough?

1033
00:39:40,045 --> 00:39:42,045
What are my levels on the wheel of life?

1034
00:39:42,045 --> 00:39:44,605
Like what are you focus on?Are there some

1035
00:39:44,605 --> 00:39:46,405
things that I need to work through that

1036
00:39:46,405 --> 00:39:48,765
are going through my brain and making me

1037
00:39:48,845 --> 00:39:51,805
like freeze?And then sometimes it just

1038
00:39:51,805 --> 00:39:53,485
means I sit on the couch and read a book

1039
00:39:53,645 --> 00:39:55,245
even when I have a ton of work to get

1040
00:39:55,245 --> 00:39:57,005
done because you have to listen to your

1041
00:39:57,005 --> 00:39:58,885
body, you have to take a break. Last

1042
00:39:58,885 --> 00:40:00,445
year, I was getting sick all the time.

1043
00:40:01,646 --> 00:40:03,566
And it was because I wasn't taking care

1044
00:40:03,566 --> 00:40:05,326
of myself. So first and foremost, you

1045
00:40:05,326 --> 00:40:06,446
have to listen to your gut. You have to

1046
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listen to your heart. You have to make

1047
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sure that you're going-- even if you have

1048
00:40:10,286 --> 00:40:12,206
to make yourself take time for self-care,

1049
00:40:12,926 --> 00:40:14,486
if you don't, you might not be there

1050
00:40:14,486 --> 00:40:17,086
anymore. Umm Reality. And your

1051
00:40:17,086 --> 00:40:18,206
body is

1052
00:40:19,966 --> 00:40:21,686
is for sure going to give you warning

1053
00:40:21,686 --> 00:40:24,126
signs. Yeah. And that's the thing, right?

1054
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Like, you start getting sick. You start

1055
00:40:25,566 --> 00:40:27,046
getting a little bit sore. You realize

1056
00:40:27,046 --> 00:40:28,326
there's some tightness that you didn't

1057
00:40:28,326 --> 00:40:30,606
really expect or you've been working

1058
00:40:30,606 --> 00:40:32,606
through. And yeah. And then,

1059
00:40:33,646 --> 00:40:35,726
yeah, your body definitely gives you some

1060
00:40:35,726 --> 00:40:37,966
good warnings. You mentioned subliminals.

1061
00:40:38,366 --> 00:40:40,606
Yeah. What is that?Oh, I love

1062
00:40:40,606 --> 00:40:42,606
subliminals. So it's music

1063
00:40:43,326 --> 00:40:46,126
with-- the words are sped up

1064
00:40:46,566 --> 00:40:48,606
underneath. So they're chants, mantras,

1065
00:40:48,606 --> 00:40:51,246
affirmations. OK. And you can't hear them

1066
00:40:51,246 --> 00:40:52,486
under the music. And they're sped up

1067
00:40:52,486 --> 00:40:53,966
really fast so that it'll-- you might

1068
00:40:53,966 --> 00:40:55,486
listen to something for 20 minutes, but

1069
00:40:55,806 --> 00:40:57,486
the message will have come through maybe

1070
00:40:57,566 --> 00:40:59,726
several hundred or even a thousand times.

1071
00:40:59,966 --> 00:41:02,686
Yeah. And I have a whole app, an

1072
00:41:02,686 --> 00:41:05,566
app from this woman, Stephanie Keith.

1073
00:41:05,566 --> 00:41:08,166
She is the Manifest It Now, Law of

1074
00:41:08,166 --> 00:41:10,046
Attraction Tribe. She has a podcast.

1075
00:41:10,686 --> 00:41:13,246
And I love it because there are also

1076
00:41:13,246 --> 00:41:15,166
different exercises I can go through.

1077
00:41:15,486 --> 00:41:17,326
There are meditations, there are

1078
00:41:17,326 --> 00:41:18,926
interviews she's had with people to walk

1079
00:41:18,926 --> 00:41:21,886
through certain exercises, workbooks,

1080
00:41:22,206 --> 00:41:24,046
and then the subliminals. They really

1081
00:41:24,046 --> 00:41:26,606
help me at night. Or the Calm app. I'll

1082
00:41:26,606 --> 00:41:29,446
alternate between like brown noise and

1083
00:41:29,726 --> 00:41:31,486
something else. And then like

1084
00:41:31,646 --> 00:41:34,566
subliminals. Nice. Okay, cool. I don't

1085
00:41:34,566 --> 00:41:36,326
think I've heard of it. Ohh Yeah, no, I

1086
00:41:36,326 --> 00:41:38,126
don't think I've heard of it. You know

1087
00:41:38,166 --> 00:41:40,926
what, 'cause I put them on at night when

1088
00:41:40,926 --> 00:41:42,366
I'm going to sleep, you're supposed to

1089
00:41:42,406 --> 00:41:44,366
like... Ideally, you're listening, you

1090
00:41:44,366 --> 00:41:45,566
have the headphones on, and it's playing

1091
00:41:45,566 --> 00:41:47,086
in the background of whatever you're

1092
00:41:47,086 --> 00:41:48,406
doing. But for me, that helps me fall

1093
00:41:48,406 --> 00:41:50,926
asleep. And then I wake up feeling better

1094
00:41:51,006 --> 00:41:53,806
in the morning. Right. Yeah. And

1095
00:41:53,806 --> 00:41:56,646
motivated. Yeah, that's

1096
00:41:56,646 --> 00:41:58,766
nice. Awesome. OK.

1097
00:41:59,366 --> 00:42:00,847
Annika, this has been awesome. I'm so

1098
00:42:00,847 --> 00:42:03,607
glad that we got a chance to do this. But

1099
00:42:03,607 --> 00:42:05,967
before we go, please let everyone know

1100
00:42:05,967 --> 00:42:08,447
where we can find you and what's next for

1101
00:42:08,447 --> 00:42:11,327
you. Ohh Thank you, Grace. I love talking

1102
00:42:11,327 --> 00:42:13,567
to you. I'm so, so happy that we met at

1103
00:42:13,807 --> 00:42:15,847
Podcast Movement. Me too. So excited for

1104
00:42:15,847 --> 00:42:17,447
what we're both doing and how we can work

1105
00:42:17,447 --> 00:42:19,967
together in the future. The easiest way

1106
00:42:19,967 --> 00:42:21,647
to reach me, I'm just going to give one

1107
00:42:21,647 --> 00:42:24,167
link, because otherwise I'll start

1108
00:42:24,167 --> 00:42:25,007
sprouting off a whole bunch.

1109
00:42:25,487 --> 00:42:28,047
yourbrandamplified.com. You can find my

1110
00:42:28,047 --> 00:42:30,727
podcast there. You can find links to

1111
00:42:30,767 --> 00:42:32,447
schedule time with me, find out about

1112
00:42:32,447 --> 00:42:34,847
some of the programs that I offer, my

1113
00:42:34,847 --> 00:42:37,007
bio, you know, just all the things. And I

1114
00:42:37,007 --> 00:42:39,487
love giving people a free half hour

1115
00:42:39,967 --> 00:42:42,687
on my schedule to talk aboutliterally

1116
00:42:42,847 --> 00:42:45,087
anything. If you want to talk about PR,

1117
00:42:45,127 --> 00:42:47,847
brand strategy, digital marketing,

1118
00:42:47,887 --> 00:42:50,087
media, podcasting,

1119
00:42:50,767 --> 00:42:53,567
nonprofit work, just

1120
00:42:53,567 --> 00:42:55,807
being a single mom, whatever it is,

1121
00:42:55,807 --> 00:42:58,327
there's no right or wrong. And I'm just,

1122
00:42:58,327 --> 00:43:00,167
that's something I can do to help people

1123
00:43:00,167 --> 00:43:02,167
hopefully like continue on their journey

1124
00:43:02,167 --> 00:43:04,207
and feel inspired. Mm-hmm

1125
00:43:05,127 --> 00:43:06,287
That's wonderful.

1126
00:43:08,287 --> 00:43:10,727
Oh, okay, cool. That's such a sweet note

1127
00:43:10,727 --> 00:43:13,527
to end off. All right.

1128
00:43:13,887 --> 00:43:16,367
Well, thank you again for joining me and

1129
00:43:16,367 --> 00:43:18,367
I hope you have a wonderful day. Thanks.

1130
00:43:18,367 --> 00:43:21,167
You too, Grace. Hey there,

1131
00:43:21,327 --> 00:43:23,247
Grace here. I hope you enjoyed today's

1132
00:43:23,287 --> 00:43:25,647
episode and gained some useful takeaways.

1133
00:43:25,807 --> 00:43:27,567
Thank you so much for listening and

1134
00:43:27,567 --> 00:43:29,447
staying until the end. Don't forget to

1135
00:43:29,447 --> 00:43:31,567
rate the show or share it with some

1136
00:43:31,567 --> 00:43:33,927
friends. Have a wonderful week. Take

1137
00:43:33,927 --> 00:43:36,367
care. And remember, be bold, be

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00:43:36,367 --> 00:43:39,007
curious, be ready to tell your story. You

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never know who needs it. Bye. Bye.