I'm convinced the biggest battlefield of all

is right up here in your mind.

From the minute you wake up, you're being assaulted.

It's game on warfare, right?

Because something is trying to pull you back down to be less

human than you were created to be.

Hello, everyone.

Welcome to Seek, Go Create.

This is going to be such a fun conversation.

My guests and I have been talking and we talked way too long before we hit record.

So we've been having some kind of fun.

This is Seek, Go Create.

This is where we redefine success, leadership, business, and ministry.

And let me just tell you what we're going to do today.

We're going to do a reset with our mindset.

We're going to be talking about how we need to be more positive.

We need to work positive as opposed to negative.

We'll talk about those things in just a moment.

I'm your host, Tim Winders, executive coach.

I work with teams and leadership teams, And I'm the guy that gets to

ask the questions, which makes it a lot of fun with what I'm doing today.

Today, we've got Dr.

Doctor.

Yes.

I said that Dr.

Joey Fawcett, he coaches companies and their teams to create a positive

workplace through his executive coaching, group coaching, training,

and many other things that he does.

He also is the author of two number one, Amazon books.

I think we might need to update that.

I think he's actually got a new one that's come out, work positive

in a negative world and faith positive in a negative world.

And I think he wrote with a partner, but, I got a copy of

his recent book, which is work.

Positive in a negative world for teams that have gotten through most

of, and let me just tell you what, I need a good dose of working positive.

Dr.

Joey Fawcett, welcome to Seek Go Create.

I got your dose right here, buddy.

We will dose you up today.

I like a good dose of positive cynicism.

Oh yeah.

wrapped around positive cynicism.

Okay.

I'll get back with you on that one.

we actually are going to go there a little while, but I want to

Okay, cool.

Because it's important, I think, in today's world that we're in.

Yeah.

all right, Dr.

Joey coming to us from Virginia.

I'm in the black Hills of South Dakota here in the passenger seat of Theo.

And, I'll, let's just pretend, even though we met 10 minutes ago, finally,

and have probably old friends and probably almost related by now after that

In low places.

yes, but.

Let's just pretend we just bumped into each other on a plane or somewhere

esoteric like that where we're trying to behave and I say, what do you do?

What is your typical answer when someone asks you what you do?

So this is a, we're trying to behave.

So this is an alternative universe, right?

Yeah.

What do I do?

I help companies create, A culture where everybody wants to work.

So somewhere along the way, I saw culture architect

as a description for you.

So let's keep going.

Tell me what that means and how it relates to what you do.

a culture architect, basically what an architect does

is listens to the client, what are their desires for the building, and

then does the drawings that lead to the construction of that building.

They don't actually construct a building and yet they understand

the construction process.

Understand the codes and requirements and things that go into creating

that building that the client wants.

So as a culture architect, and I might add a positive culture architect, I listened

to the clients really closely, whether it's a C suite executive or whether we're

talking to people all over the company at various levels and what does it take to

work positive around here to transform it?

And then I've just been so blessed to work with.

A gazillion people smarter than me.

So I've accumulated some knowledge along the way, right?

And that's the great thing about being a podcast host.

You become like this collector of wisdom, right?

And then you can say stuff.

Or as my friend Mitchell Levy says, spread cred dust, right?

And so you're just sprinkling this cred dust out there, like

I just did with Mitchell, right?

And, and so you collect this wisdom and you're able to share with these companies.

here's David Friedman's process.

Or here's Bob Johanson's mindset and here's how we elevate human

resources and things like that.

as an architect, I work with a ton of business leaders.

A lot of them are in human resources.

And so we're working to elevate human resources above

form jockeys and policy cops.

And you know what I'm saying?

Put them in a place where they can really lead out to help the company

and create a positive work culture and do those things that it takes.

Now that's a mindset shift.

You talked about a reset for mindset.

So that's a real mindset shift for a lot of us within and without human resources.

So what's interesting?

they're There's a lot right there because I don't want to go

down the human resources rabbit hole because I've got thoughts.

People listening probably have thoughts.

You have thoughts.

Yeah.

when you use the term positive,

Yep.

often with human resources or people resources

or whatever they're trying

Talent development, whatever they call themselves.

Yeah, they're not always the most positive bunch.

Is that just my observation or do you see that

Dr. Joey Faucette:

you've noticed that too.

Dr. Joey Faucette:

Yeah.

Dr. Joey Faucette:

You've

Why is that?

Why would they not be positive when they're dealing with people?

Good question.

Primarily because they're form jockeys and policy enforcers, and that's the

role that's been, and oftentimes Tim, defined for them within the company.

So human resources becomes a support role.

Okay.

So that means you're, you remember back during the pandemic, when we had

essential and non essential employees, who in their right mind wants to be

declared a non essential employee?

we really don't need you around here, dude.

So you can stay home.

Who wants to be called that, right?

So human resources gets relegated to support and that's why we, now

they are supportive in many cases, but that's why we see negativity.

Because it's form jockeys and policy cops, they have to play the heavy.

They have to say, you can't do that around here, And so it's, I think

it's still true that dentists are the vocational group with the highest rate of

suicide and it's because they're looking for things wrong all day, every day.

and so they, and attorneys.

Not too far behind them.

So you're constantly looking for what's wrong with everything.

And I think human resources gets relegated to that support position

of looking for things that are wrong.

And that's why it's so important to have a mindset shift, right?

To reset the mindset around human resources and say, okay, the greatest

asset this company has are the people.

It's number one, it's the people who do the work.

And so how do we develop talent?

How do we appreciate people?

How do we do all the things that go into making a positive work culture?

Because if you don't value your people of what use is a positive work culture

or any work culture, because you just toss people in the ditch when they

don't do what you want them to do, and you pick up a new one and bolt

them down and see how far that goes.

What's fascinating is that really, especially, we have

listeners here that are listening all over the world, but primarily in the U.

S., we've moved to what we would call a service economy.

I can almost argue that the people are the only asset.

yeah, we could talk about intellectual property, we could talk about

an app, we could talk about a platform, But that's the only

asset I had a thought come to mind.

I think you're going to love this slight diversion.

We were talking before we hit record that we both have a very unique position

and title in life in that we now have children that have had children.

And so we now have the best gig that exists, which is a

Ever.

and we have really cool names we may or may not share that

we might save that for a teaser at the end or Something like that, but

yours is way cooler than mine, by the way.

I'm just saying

the audience has been listening.

They know who it is.

So anyway pops.

Dr.

Joey pops.

I'll say We that would be you So here's something that i'm fascinated with you.

You talked about how their hrs forms pushers They've got to be involved with

the minutiae and the details I've said this all along for the last three and

a half years since I have become T.

Diddy, the grandfather, that being a grandparent is one of the coolest

things ever because I think we're positioning ourselves very similar to

the way God really wants to look at us.

and bear with me here for this analogy.

I'm gonna let you then respond and just blow it out of the water and

say, maybe, I don't know, we'll see.

I think sometimes HR has to get so involved with what we'll

call the heavy duty parenting.

of adults, the day to day, and what we get to do as grandparents,

we just do the fun stuff.

we, and so it's like positive, it's fun, and I actually think the law that

God tried to get us away from, and you're a little bit of grace now, a

little bit of mercy, and all that's more like grandparent, we just have fun.

My, my two just left, and we, Fun, non stop, I'm blurry eyed, haven't

slept, haven't eaten very well because we had ice cream every night.

I hope her mother doesn't listen in on this.

But is it some of the positives, some of the mindset, the attitude and all of that.

Is it the way we look at things?

are we just allowing ourselves to be bogged down with too much?

And I know they've got legal issues, HR.

but how do you respond to that rant I just went on?

That was a small rant.

first of all, TDD, you the man, cause I love your name.

secondly, I am pops.

And I'm certified as not only a pops, but the best pops ever.

And by the way, the next time I'm back on, see, go create, I'll be wearing

the t shirt that says best pops ever.

It's just so I didn't want to be totally braggadocious today.

but I'm certified best pops ever.

I'm just saying to all the pops out there.

Sorry, dudes.

I'm the best.

the other thing is, man, you're, first of all, the grandparenting

role is like the Primo gig.

I didn't know it could be so sweet.

I thought all my friends were just blowing it out of the water or they

knew I didn't have grandchildren.

So they were just, I don't know about you, but I have friends who.

Like really want to rub my face in certain things and not being a pops

was one of them until I became a pops.

And I'm like, dude, you undersold this.

Totally.

It's just far better.

I couldn't tell you everything.

Yeah.

okay.

Appreciate you holding back.

I was a blubbering idiot when our daughters were born, it's amazing

what a grown man will do and say, just to get a kid to smile, whether

it's a gas bubble or not too relevant, but just to get a baby to smile.

ours is three years old also almost three and a half.

And, she, you probably saw her on news, most brilliant, beautiful.

Granddaughter ever born.

I don't know if you missed those headlines because you were eating

ice cream and doing all sorts of unhealthy things with yours.

But, mine, mine only twigs and bark, by the way, because she's

the healthiest child ever.

And if you believe that,

When they're with their parents now are like what my

daughter calls crunchy, she's like health and all this kind of stuff.

But then man, not here.

Yeah, let me just put it this way.

Our granddaughter at three and a half has already eaten more popsicles

than I think our daughters did combined during their entire lives.

So does that tell you anything?

So to your point about HR, man, that's really fascinating because parenting

does have certain responsibilities and, and rights and privileges,

I suppose we, as grandparents do.

Try to play by the rules, because we want to keep seeing them and our daughter

and son in law would jerk them away.

No, we do way too much for them to jerk her away.

But, anyway, it, it is a different level of responsibility.

However, that being said, mindset towards human resources.

And notice the pause there.

My friend, Dr.

Bob Johanson has taught me to do that.

It's human resources.

This is not a legal form resources.

This is not policy resources, right?

So perhaps, at the end of the day, that's what we really want to happen is to

bring more of a grandparenting persona.

resources.

I think that's beginning to happen more and more today.

Marisa Andrada was the CHO CHRO of Chipotle and, Starbucks before that.

She's out, she has culture cast now, if you want to catch a really cool podcast.

She's absolutely amazing.

I've said for a long time, I've known I've worked with companies who have four

generations working, which is like really hard to get your head right around.

She knows the one that has five.

She won't tell me the name of the company.

I think she's telling me the truth.

But of course you are, Marisa, if you're listening, but just think about that, man.

Five generations, at least four commonplace now is three generations.

So you've got all these different expectations because each generation

experiences things differently.

You have aspersions being cast from the older generation to the younger,

but Hey, that's been going on since, I became a teenager in the early

seventies that's been going on since.

I was a kid.

don't trust anyone over 30.

that's what I grew up hearing.

And then, man, I got to 30 really fast.

And I was like, why am I not trustworthy?

I don't understand.

But anyway, if we can celebrate for a moment the millennials and then

those true digital natives that are coming along behind them, they're

not quite in the workforce yet, due to child labor laws, but anyway.

They, Millennials and Zs, are requiring that we see them as human.

And I think that's due to the, can I say, sins of my generation

and my parents generation, where you were just seen as like a human

doing instead of a human being.

Now, if I can go spiritual on you for just a second, for me, That was

sinful towards the image and likeness of God planted in each of us at birth.

Paul's really clear and says, Christ lives in you.

Not too many ways of slicing and dicing that, right?

It's just the reality there.

So that was at least disingenuous towards the full Knowledge

of humanity and who we are.

Do we live in a broken world?

Yes.

Are we broken?

Yes.

However, if we can begin as we begin to understand that the millennials and

disease are forcing our hand on this, that these are human beings, that human

resources are given the opportunity to lead, then I think the whole conversation

becomes much more one of grandparenting.

And so instead of granola in the break room, you got ice cream.

Thank you.

And popsicles, like every day.

I would want to work there, right?

So I really like that metaphor of grandparenting.

I might, can I co op that?

You can't, I haven't trademarked anything there.

There isn't any,

I'll credit you with it.

and thank you.

I

Tim Winders says HR should be more like grandparents.

have grandparents or at least a, or at least a balance,

sometimes we have to tell them not to jump out in the road or anything, but.

Yeah.

We have to

But we also don't need to be beating them over the head with

laws and things like that a good bit So

There's a distinction between law and grace and

the fulfillment of the law, right?

yeah, we could go down that path, but let's don't I want

to unpack A statement that's been rolling around in my head since I

started reading your book, working positive in a negative world for teams.

I appreciate, appreciate that book and all that it said it, but it

got a lot of things going through my mind related to definitions.

I like to define things.

And because I think words mean things and I think we've in our culture, society,

we've watered down a lot of words.

I'd love to give you an opportunity with this.

We're going to talk a little bit more detail about the book and

some of the programs and all later.

I'm talking big picture right here.

I want to talk big

All right.

When you say the word work, what do you mean?

When you say positive, what do you mean?

And then also I'm going to go and tee you up here.

When you say.

In a negative world or negative world, how do you contrast work?

And then the positive and negative.

And, because I've got some questions about that am I'm going to, I'm gonna

go and warn you, I'm going to put on my cynical cap in a little while and hit

you with a few things on why it shouldn't be positive just to have some fun.

How about that?

Yeah, man.

I'm sure you're highly creative, but I'm sure I've been doused

with these things before.

All right.

So let me work.

let me start with the last one first.

And that's in a negative world.

That's the broken world I was referring to earlier.

Negative.

It makes a nice contrast with positive.

So marketing departments love that in book titles.

and also it's, I've, I've stood on platforms for years.

The first work positive in a negative oral book came out in 2011.

The team edition came out in 2020.

which it was fun releasing a book during the pandemic, by the way.

Anyway, nobody's ever challenged me on the fact that the world's negative.

Not a single person.

If you want to be the first man, I'll be glad to play that with you.

if there's a reason you're listening to this podcast instead

of watching the morning news.

Or the evening news or the 24 hour news cycle or something

like that, man, those guys are in business to monetize negativity.

And if you doubt that for a second, just remember their

mantra is if it bleeds, it leads.

So the bloodiest newscast or at the beginning, and Oh, by the way, if

something bloody didn't happen in your community or in your TV market

that night, they will import it.

From the closest MSA to you, or they'll go to some major metro area

where something's always bloody, or let's just have a fantasy for just a

second, say nothing was bloody in the U S every night, they'll import it.

from overseas.

it's a negative world.

And what does that mean?

it's much more than the glass is half empty.

It's a deliberate hijacking of Romans 12, one and two.

It's a conforming and they're seeking to, addict you.

And I'm not going to geek out on the neuroscience here, but they're seeking

to addict you to that negativity.

have you ever noticed that one negative thought leads to a second

negative thought and pretty soon you're chasing Alice down the rabbit hole.

and you're, it's getting darker and darker in there.

There's just something addicting in the negative world.

To negativity, imagine that.

So that's what they're in business to do.

So yeah, the world's negative.

Sherm society for human resource managers says they haven't seen 2022

results yet, but the earlier results said that 57% of all people leave a job.

So 57% of the people leaving a job actually say I'm

leaving because of a bad boss.

That's negative, right?

Two thirds of the people remaining say they're considering

leaving because of a bad boss.

that's how we set up the construct.

That's the world we're conforming to around a negative world.

Now, let me...

Hop over positive and come back to that.

Let me go to work from a biblical perspective.

so many of us have a non biblical understanding of work and it, I'm

not saying it's right or wrong.

I'm just saying it's not biblical.

God actually put Adam to work before sin and most of us regard

work as a function of sin.

And that it came along afterwards.

Not so here.

Adam is dripping wet, got this rock inside of him.

He's becoming an animated being a living being.

Some of the translations say, and he's trying to figure out what that means.

God puts him right to work.

Hey dude, you get to name the animals.

Now I'm old enough to remember when Bob Dylan, became a Jesus follower

and he had this song, on a, on an album about, God gave man to name

all the animals in the beginning.

it's pretty cool YouTube.

it's great.

It's not current Bob Dylan, but it was for a while.

So there's that work.

And.

Working, tilling the garden.

So it was this, my friend, Dr.

Bob Johansson refers to as bio empathetic.

there's this rhythm of biology and you're in empathy with nature, by the

way, that's a whole nother topic we can talk about because you're, I guess

since you travel around, you put your feet on dirt on a regular basis, but

there's some people who've never put their feet on dirt in a given day.

I think that's sad, asphalt, concrete, sure.

Okay.

No dirt, no grass, no birds.

Anyway, so here's Adam going to work that word for work in the original language

can also be translated as worship.

So we're Nevada and so work and worship travel together.

Now this is nothing unique to me, there's plenty of people a lot smarter

than me who've written theological tomes, people a lot more serious than

me, who connect work and worship.

So definition of work for me is worship, and worship obviously

brings glory to God, and of course Paul tells us in Colossians 3.

23, another often cited passage, work, do all your work, create, okay?

create as if unto the Lord.

And so you're working with other people, you're growing other people,

creating with other people, which sounds a lot like work to me as

if Jesus was right there with you.

So that's the way you're supposed to do it.

So that's work for me.

It brings meaning, it brings purpose, it brings satisfaction,

it brings fulfillment.

The cool thing I think today, and there are a lot of cool things about today.

Is that work is undergoing a redefinition.

let's just track back.

the latest thing I read about was loud quitting.

I guess that's the antithesis of quiet quitting, but you were going to quit.

I'd rather you'd be loud so that I know you actually quit.

it sounds like you're a chicken if you're quiet quitting, but what you're just

trying to do is keep your head down.

So they don't find that you're not doing your work for that.

It was the great regret, which was caused by the great resignation.

Yeah.

I'm tracking back through the pandemic here.

I think now we're in the great redefinition of work, and I'll

just toss this out there just to give you something to think about.

first of all, it's, I really have an allergic reaction

to artificial intelligence.

The better word is augmented intelligence, and that's still AI, so

you can use the acronym, but augmented intelligence as machines become more

human there's an amazing opportunity for human beings to become more human.

And to ensure that we're doing things effectively, that we're

doing the right things, machines are really good at being efficient, but

they're never going to replace us.

That's what everybody's worried about, right?

On the effectiveness scale and making sure we're doing the right

things, because that's a part of the moral consciousness is in our.

That's part of that Ruach that's living in us that makes us animated

living beings that we've got over anything else, even things we

create like augmented intelligence.

So the great redefinition of work is going on and I think I've

given you enough around that now.

So let me talk about positive.

Positive is not necessarily the opposite of negative.

Positive is the recognition that there's an opportunity for transformation.

I'm back to Romans 2, and the opposite of, conforming to the world is transforming.

And my favorite chapter in all the scriptures, Philippians 4, Paul

tells us exactly how to do that.

First of all, Philippians is all about joy, so I love that.

Not just because it sounds like Joey, but it's joyful, as opposed to

happiness, which is contextually related.

in Philippians 4, he tells us.

depending on which translation you read, focus our minds on, meditate

on, fill your mind with, and then Dr.

Peterson gives us in the message translation, really nice trio of pairs.

He says, fill your mind and focus on the best, not the worst, the beautiful,

not the ugly, things to praise.

Not things to curse.

So we have an opportunity because of these amazing minds that we have in the brains

that God created and put in us to focus and you literally see what you look for.

So the recognition of positivity is that you have a choice

around the best or the worst.

It's not a denial that the worst is out there.

We live in a broken world.

I began with that for a reason.

It's just, you choose to focus on the best, right?

You choose to focus on the You choose to focus on things to praise as opposed

to the opposite, which takes you further down the negative rabbit hole with Alice.

So work positive in a negative world.

I think I got all three of them, but not in the order that you gave them to me.

I think you did.

And I, the reason I like that, I actually pulled out, pulled up my Romans

here when you were referencing it.

The scripture that came to my mind

huh.

from that negative world was in the tail end of Romans 8, which

is one of my favorite chapters, for I am persuaded that neither death nor life,

nor angels, principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

nor height, nor death, or any other created things were able to separate

us from the love, which is of Christ.

Yes.

But I've still got my cynical hat on.

So I want to hit you with a couple of other things, even with all of that good

stuff, even with that, things separating me from the love I'm worshiping,

yeah.

Dr.

Joey, that's really tough.

It's tough to not conform.

And you know what?

I want to say this little bit of confession time back in

the early nineties, I was.

Super Joe positive, almost to a superficial extent.

I was talking positive.

I positive affirmations.

We had them around our house.

We had our young kids at the time that we had a negative jar that if they talked

negative, we had to put quarters in it and then we went through some interesting

and fun times, in 08 and all that.

And.

Oh, your work sucked too, then.

Had I had any work,

I know, man.

it was, there, that was, it was ugly going from a hero to zero,

T Diddy, let me tell you, man.

It got nailed on me.

That's how the first Work Positive book came out, by the way.

My wife looked at me one day and said, Aren't you supposed to be traveling?

you'd be doing something.

I am not feeling the love.

I said maybe the cash cow I was riding got slaughtered and

it's poor hamburger right now.

So some tough things come at us and yeah, and you know

what, even when we've got a spiritual foundation, we've got listeners that

they may not get some of that Romans.

They can go read that one of the first books they need to read if they're

thinking about some of these things.

but Even for those I mean I went to two or three years of bible school and let

me just tell you Being around people that know what you just brought up and pointing

to my bible over here These scripture they could be some of the most negative people

man, you got that right.

could be around.

so let's go a little bit more into, I guess I want to say the mindset before

we start talking about some practical things, because I know in the book I was

reading, you got five, five things, core principles that you wanted to talk about.

We may be able to get to all of those, at least one or two here at the end.

how do we make that shift?

Let me, and I want to say one more thing about it.

I noticed I'm an executive coach.

I do like you.

I read, I know all these things, but when March 2020 came along and I looked around

at all that was going on in the world and I'm a praying guy, I'm journaling,

I'm talking to the Lord, I'm going,

Yeah, man.

Lord, what is going.

Yeah,

And I won't tell you what he shared back with me, but

I'm going to just tee that up for you to say maybe a little bit more.

And let's just say, while you're talking about that, what about

someone who has very little faith?

They're just operating in some of that superficial or that sounded negative.

Sorry.

Wow.

That's some of it is if it's what I think you're talking about.

Yeah, but anyway, so just let's hit it a little bit deeper.

With all that's happening, because it's coming at us, we've got more coming at

us, 10, 20x than what we did 20, 30 years ago, and you and I can remember that,

some of our listeners can't remember

Hey, look, just cause I'm bald, don't mean I'm old.

For some people I am old.

I'm over 30.

How about that?

first of all, that 10, 20, 30 X, I don't know about that, man.

I'll just push back on that a little bit because when I was home, when I

got sent home and all the contracts dried up and that, I remember

Ross Perot running for president.

He talked about that giant sucking sound, right?

that was my bank account, man.

It was empty it out quickly day by day.

That was when I seized that opportunity to sit down and study people that

I call the great depression gurus.

Please, I'm not undervaluing the complexities of life today.

I am, I am not naive.

I am not Pollyanna.

My feet are In clay, on our little farm every day, I get it.

But the great depression, there were no options.

There was nobody except banks as they were taking over

properties, making money back then.

And so the great depression gurus are where these five core practices came from.

I studied them.

I said, how did they do it?

How did they create companies during the great depression?

or how did they keep their companies going during the great depression?

George Mahurl had started insurance because nobody would insure farmers

and their equipment, things like that.

George Mahurl started State Farm back in point two, 1922.

I have to start putting on 19 or 22, 1922, and kept his company going with

this high risk insured group, right?

During the great depression.

And they were losing stuff and couldn't pay premiums left and right.

So how did he do that?

How did, Dale Carnegie move off a Missouri farm, start teaching speaking classes

lucratively and YMCA in New York city.

And then shut those down and write a book, how to win friends and influence people.

they became the nation's number two bestsellers.

Second only to the Bible during the great depression.

on and on Bill Hewlett and Dave Packard with HP.

How did they do that?

So that's where these sets of habits, these core practices came from.

So if you really want to know when work sucked and money was in short.

Go to the great depression.

My grandparents grew up then my grandfather was born in 14.

My mom's dad.

it was, you were literally scratching just to get food then.

again, it's negative now.

I get it.

But, let's just have a little historical context here.

secondly, this is not some kind of eastern, let's, eastern religion

based, and that works for a lot of people, but denial of the

existence of negativity or evil.

It's, Game on recognizing that there's some crap that happens in the world.

And sometimes dude, that crap gets piled up high.

Sometimes it's my crap.

Sometimes it's consequences of my actions.

Other times it's stuff that other people do.

say the CEO was embezzling from the company and the company shuts down

and my job's lost for that reason.

Or, on and on, we see, Bernie Madoff's.

every day, right?

They just aren't quite as well publicized.

So it's not a denial of negativity.

I think it's more a full engagement with, I believe it's more of a full

engagement with the negativity.

And Rabbi Kushner wrote that book years ago when bad things happen to good people.

That is Like my wife and I had this really nice conversation the

other evening talking about people We know because I guess the older

we get the more people around us.

They're not here anymore, right?

They died and so she's we're just full bore on with it.

T.

Diddy.

We're saying why this person?

Have to leave and that person got to stay now.

I understand that's a radical that puts us up in a you know We think we're little

gods then But stuff happens every day.

So it's more a filtering of the negativity than it is Denial of it.

It's filtering the negativity as opposed to deny.

So for me, that's what Paul means don't conform to it Totally,

don't go you're live in this broken world and it's negative.

Just don't conform to that fully Transform from it knowing that we still need

I need all the Jesus I can get We're still gonna need Jesus every day to

keep us where we need to be mentally.

Now, are there mnemonic devices we can do and things that we

can remind ourselves to focus?

Yes.

And so I talk a lot about morning rituals and evening rituals because

rituals codify positive habits or habits and build positivity within us.

So we want to do those things, but it's.

I'm convinced the biggest battlefield of all is right up here in your mind.

From the minute you wake up, you're being assaulted.

It's game on warfare, right?

Because something is trying to pull you back down to be less

human than you were created to be.

that.

Does that make sense?

Yes, it does make sense, and it, I think it's one of these things,

and maybe this is a good transition for us to move into things like rituals, and

maybe some practical things, and maybe you can talk about, some of the five

items that you bring up in the book.

Because I still, and again, I interact with quite a bit of people like you

do, I get to talk to people, and I guess I'm becoming more aware,

hopefully, one of my favorite sayings is, thou shalt not fool thyself.

I think it's in the scriptures, I can't quote verse and chapter, but it seems

like something that should be there, which unfortunately a lot of things people say

sound biblical, but they're not really.

But it.

But it's one of the things for me that I'm attempting to become more self

aware so that I don't fool myself, the more mature, the more I age, I

recognize that there's best that I know and realize and things like,

yeah, sure.

but I'm still looking for ways of.

Controlling things.

And I think that's the word I want to use.

and I think control is the word because I think we're trying to control time,

we're trying to control other people.

We're trying to control children, parents, spouses, our situation, our finances, all

Co workers.

The boss.

And to me, that's what leads to a lot of my negative

because I want to control.

I think I control.

I don't really have that much control.

So having said that, what can we control?

You mentioned mindset.

How can we do that?

What are some ways to do it?

I know we need to get the book.

We'll talk about that in a second.

And you've got a podcast on this, but let's go and give some practical

things about how we can start doing some control that we really want to

If I may, I want to respond to something you were just

talking about with control there.

my favorite of the 10 commandments to break is the first one.

I want to be my own God, man.

and I want to get out my hammer and chisel and I want to create Tim over in my image.

And my wife and my kids, and I want to create this echo chamber around me so

that I'm getting reflections back of me and dude, I don't know about you.

That's just driven by insecurity for me.

Well,

that's my lack of understanding of God's

unconditional love and grace.

and I don't think those commandments are equal, truthfully.

if you get the first one, the rest of them are a lot easier.

I think they cascade.

I think they're like, I've got, I'm batting 600.

I got six out of 10.

I'm doing pretty good, right?

That's for today, tomorrow it might be 125, right?

Probably not.

No.

if you're missing on that first one, I think you're missing all of them.

It's the big one.

that's why it's my favorite.

There's a reason it's first, I'm figuring, so can't you just imagine Moses up there

on that mountain, he's got the chisel and the hammer and he's, working in this.

Stone tablets and the Lord drops that first one on him and I'm

like, dude, you mean there's more?

Come on, you just gave it all to me So yeah, just put down the hammer and chisel

and letting other people figure it out we're all just trying to figure it out.

I'm trying to figure out the best path You're trying to figure out the best path.

It's zigzag.

It's a circuitous route.

Thank goodness God is like Google Maps because Google Maps has never

said to me, by the way, we're not making anything from Google I'm

not being paid by Google Not yet.

Maybe they'll listen Google Maps has yet to say to me Come on, man.

I told you to turn right and you drove right past it.

What's wrong with you?

Now go over here and let's take the next right and we'll get you back on path.

No, it just says recalculating, rerouting.

In fact, the old GPS is actually state recalculating.

Now there's even more grace in Google Maps because it just

flashes up there rerouting.

It doesn't say a word.

So we're all just trying to figure that out.

We're all just rerouting and we're, it's zigzagging back and forth.

Some days are better than others, just know that going in.

However, there are some things which, from our understanding of brain science,

do help us to separate fact from fiction.

Remember the guy that bats for the negative side?

he's actually a pitcher, I think.

The guy that pitches for the other side, he's a liar.

And he's constantly throwing fastballs at you every now and then a curveball and

sometimes a knuckleball, but it's always the, these lies that you're not enough

of, we can call it when I'm on less Jesus obvious podcast, that's pretty good.

Less Jesus obvious.

I like that.

Let me write that down.

I talk about the inner critic.

and so it's constantly driving at our insecurities.

So what are some practical things?

I'm there now, Tim, some practical strategies that we can do.

As I said a moment ago, before your feet hit the floor and you're just

coming out of the subconscious world into the conscious world, it's game

on the battlefield is in your mind.

And the goal is to capture as many of your thoughts as quickly as possible.

So whatever problem you were working on during the night, which was seeded

by the way, by whatever problem you were thinking about as you slipped into

unconsciousness, that's what comes to mind first in your conscious mind because

you've been working on it all night.

The subconscious mind can process about 40 million bits of

information per second, 40 million.

The conscious mind, a little bit slower, 40 bits per second.

So the obvious benefit of having a subconscious mind is that it filters

what gets to your conscious mind.

Now, when you walk from one room to the next, not that this has ever

happened to you, Tim, but when you walk from one room into the next

and go, what did I come in here for?

Or when you lose your reading glasses and they're on top of your head,

when you misplace your car keys.

Or sometimes I don't even have to get up.

I'm just sitting at my desk and I go, wait a minute.

Why did I pick my phone up?

Because something has happened in between times, right?

To distract me, whenever that's happening, what you've done is you've

overloaded your conscious mind.

And that distraction, those are rapid fire pitches coming at

you from the picture of lies.

So what you want to do, As early in the morning as possible, as quickly as

you can, is to read something positive.

Now, if you follow Jesus, I highly recommend some scripture.

However, I'm a big Sarah Young fan.

Thank you so much, Sarah, for all the Jesus books.

So whether she's calling or however, I'm in Jesus Listens right now, which

has flipped the first person POV.

To where it's Sarah Young praying, and Jesus is listening to her.

So it's really cool juxtaposition after all the other ones I'm in that every day.

And there are four scriptures there that are related to that, that I'm reading.

And then I post that on our other company is God nods.

I post that on God nods on Instagram and, Facebook and different places.

but it's to capture, I'm back to scripture now, right?

Capture or take captive.

My thoughts as quickly as I can in that day.

So that's one very practical strategy.

It only takes about 10 minutes.

If you just.

Do that for 10 minutes.

Now that means here's the antithesis of that.

stepping away from the TV remote and please, you may think you believe

that it's on just for noise in the mornings, you're lying to yourself.

you're capturing.

those news items are hitting and you may think you need to do that

so that you have something to talk about when you get on zoom or on slack

or maybe you're in an office now.

no.

That's push media.

And we highly recommend pull media, which is your phone.

So you can listen to podcasts like this amazing one by Tim winders.

You can listen to anything else you choose to, but just to seed some

positive thoughts in your mind.

I prefer reading and I prefer listening.

I have a song of the year and then we have a team song of the year

that our leadership team commits to listening to every morning.

So my song of the year accompanies my word of the year.

And so every morning I'm just dousing my brain.

I'm marinating it, if you will, in that positivity.

So that's one strategy.

Just get with it as early as you can in the morning.

I promise it takes 10 minutes.

If you want to add another five minutes, Open up your calendar on your phone and

look at your appointments for that day.

And some of them are going to make you a little nervous.

Some of them you're like, I don't know how that's going to turn out.

What am I going to do?

I'm afraid I'm gonna blow it.

so again, it's a battlefield, right?

So rather than waiting to get to that appointment, go ahead now and begin.

Visualization is such a strong technique.

Just visualize some positive outcomes.

If that's too woo for you, just say to yourself, What's the best thing that can

happen as a result of disappointment?

What's Jim and just imagine that because your mind can imagine the

best thing as well as it can, the worst thing, because right now you

got a 50, 50 chance of it happening.

So go ahead and imagine the best thing that can happen.

So that's that morning routine.

Now there's a companion evening routine that I absolutely love.

In fact, my three year old granddaughter, and I had a conversation about it today.

It's amazing.

She opened the nightstand drawer and in there is my three ring binder.

That's my gratitude diary.

And she pulled it out and she said, pops, what's this?

And so I told her, that's what pops writes in every night.

What do you write pops?

And she starts leaving through the pages.

And I said, I write down about three, three great things that God did for me.

And so yesterday.

her daddy, our son in law's grandfather was buried and I had the privilege of

saying a few words over him in the eulogy.

And so she at three years old looks at me and she says, write about Papa yesterday?

Yeah, slack jawed.

And I'm like, yes, I did.

I thank God for pop.

So just write down three positive experiences the night before.

Do it just before you go to sleep.

Not as you're going to sleep.

So that means you don't want to be in your favorite chair or laying in bed flat.

But just write down three positive things that happened that day.

And Tim, here's the deal.

You're planting seeds in your mind of gratitude.

So being thankful in all things, rejoicing all things.

That's what you spend on all night long, as opposed to say,

watching the walking dead, right?

For, falling asleep while you're watching the walking dead.

Then you're, it's like zombies are chasing you all night.

Say, if you wake up tired the next morning, it's because you were trying

to outrun zombies, but gratitude.

that just ferments in your mind all the time.

And so that's it.

And that takes me like three minutes to do every night.

So these aren't huge time consuming strategies or tactics rather, because

that's the biggest pushback I get.

Oh, I don't have time for that.

I don't have time for that.

Just get up 10 minutes earlier.

Just hang on three minutes before you go to sleep.

This is not, it is brain science, but it's not rocket science.

How about that?

What's fascinating too, is that I think there's a momentum.

I'm an engineer from, I think he went to NC State.

I went to Georgia Tech.

So I'm just down the

You went to NC State?

No, you did

Oh, I did.

Yeah, I was about to get

No,

there.

I went to Geor.

I went to Georgia Tech.

I'm an engineer.

So words like momentum mean something to me.

That's a good

And what I just heard you say was there's, the first time you do

it, and I think you even talked about it in the book, the power of the 21 days and

the habit forming and things like that.

the first day it's gonna feel awkward and weird and all of that.

As you start building momentum, I think on the flip side, people build

up momentum down that negative path and

it's very easy.

Yeah, you brought up a couple and I think the television

intake and I want to bring up one momentum that I have just recognized.

I want to bring it up and you could respond because I'm T.

Diddy, you're Pops, we're both grandparents.

Sounds like similar ages and, and ours just left.

They've been with us for about two weeks, by the way.

We have TNG camp that we have during the summer that we, They come stay with

us wherever we are in the world and all that, but here's what I noticed.

And I say this to say, I've got compassion for those with young children, with

children, because my rituals got blown to smithereens over the last two weeks.

Got blowed up, Jack.

And you know what I noticed?

I noticed my wife and I were, we're snipping at each other just a little

bit more of than one should when you've been married for 35, almost 35 years.

and so talk a little bit about the momentum and habits and how they can be

broken and how you can get them going.

I think that's one of the more valuable things we can talk about here as

we're getting close to finishing up.

We're going to land this plane shortly.

But, talk a little bit about just how to get going or how to

stop going one direction And head another direction because I think

I just noticed it with myself.

So I know other people deal with that, too

Absolutely.

So if you would put your tray tables in a locked and upright and locked

position and buckle your seatbelts, we're beginning our descent.

for those of you who are still adventurous enough to fly these days and just hope you

get to where you're going to be sometime near, man, life intrudes, interruptions.

I literally plan time for interruptions every day.

I just say, okay, I'm not going to go back to back to back here.

I'm going to, allow a little space to breathe.

yes, we were with that three year old granddaughter at the graveside

yesterday and she fell asleep on the way out to the grave.

And, woke up before her nap was finished.

T.

Diddy, I'm here to tell you, I love that little girl, but I did not know

there was a demon inside of her.

she wailed for 45 minutes.

I couldn't comfort her.

Gigi couldn't comfort her.

her mom came over, couldn't comfort her.

It was just all out, warfare there for a little bit, screaming.

And some days that's what I want to do.

I can relate to the little girl.

Some days I just want to go back here up on the mountain in the

woods and just scream a little bit because things are not going my way.

So it's back to that control issue.

So here's the deal.

One of the scarcest resources you have is your attention and the older you get.

Energy is going to become more of an issue too.

But the things to which you give your attention, if you can just become aware

of that, then risk of getting canceled here, Facebook and Instagram, not all

that important that it just does not.

And what do I call it now?

X.

it's just, they're just not going to contribute that much to your mental

health and your mindset well being.

In fact, I would suggest the opposite is true.

Because again, most of what's on there is a lie, right?

It's a photoshopped world now.

take that attention and just channel it.

It may not be exactly on your schedule, but just channel it.

Tim, some mornings I wake up at, I wake up at 4.

30 and I feel great.

Other mornings I wake up at 4 o'clock and I've got a migraine, from a sinus

headache because something's blooming outdoors and I went and played in it.

I'm not at my best right then, so I'm convinced that scripture doesn't quite

penetrate and it takes me longer to get there, and to just, but I persevere.

I, I still engage, I still have those habits, which feed in here.

I think it's B.

J.

Fogg wrote, F O G, wrote a book, I believe it's called Tiny Habits.

If you can just stay after it, you're going to miss it some days, but if you

can just continue with that long term view and just know that, yes, you're going

to have some days that get interrupted.

Give yourself some grace, just get back with it as quickly as you can, because

what happens is if I didn't get to it this morning, I got to say, oh, yesterday

morning, nothing really happened.

I guess I can do that this day.

So then the momentum builds.

inertia keeps us moving in certain directions.

It's stopping that body moving in that direction and reversing its

course that takes so much energy.

So rather than saying, Oh, Dr.

Joey said I need to do this, 21 days in a row in order to form this new habit.

Just do it tonight.

just tonight, write down three positive things.

Or if you can only think of one positive thing that happened today, that's okay.

Cause that's a step, albeit a baby step, but a step in the right direction.

By the way, if you can't think of anything positive that happened today,

that's part of the exercise, right?

Just say to yourself, I did not get run over by a concrete truck today.

Write that down, right?

Maybe you will felt like you need to be run over by a concrete truck in the world.

It got a lot simpler for you.

But yeah, I just didn't get rid of my country.

Just do it.

One thing, one day I'm, creating a new brand called dot D O T do one thing.

And that's the concluding question for all the guests on the work positive

podcast that I have the privilege of hosting is what's one thing.

Work positive nation can do today to create a positive work culture.

I, Jim Collins has sold a whole lot more books than I have.

And I understand from good to great.

And I understand what BHAG, big, hairy, audacious goal is, but I'm

convinced that there are a lot of us who are trying to be BHAGers and we're

just daughters and that's okay, man.

We need some daughters.

We need people who just say, I'm going to do this one thing today.

And see what happens.

And then I want to try it again tomorrow.

So just do one thing today, that tiny habit and just set

yourself up for success that way.

I think the good thing is the Bible is full of

stories that just did one thing.

And then at some point during the course of their existence, God said,

I need you to do something that now we read about, thousands of years later.

And one thing I heard, this is the word that popped in my mind when you

were talking about just maybe turn another direction, that's repent.

That literally means, if you're here, repent and just go the other direction.

And And start heading that way.

and then I had another thought.

What was it?

Oh, I, this is one of the things that kind of guides my wife and I with where we go.

People always ask us, how do you decide where to go if you live in an RV?

we try to listen to where God says, and he's told us go where y'all want to.

This is a reason y'all live in the RV.

Just what, this is our gauge.

Go.

Where your soul is nourished.

And we attempt to go places where the weather or near grandchildren or Places we

haven't seen or things like that And when you were talking earlier the thing that

kept coming to me about let's just throw some things out right now social media

television Fox news cnn we can name them all I don't care which side you're on.

It doesn't matter the push I think you called the push media I think

those take chunks out of our soul.

I think they damage our souls the mind, will and emotion.

I do, I've got a couple of quick, they may not be quick, but I want to ask these

before we finish up, I saw somewhere that you have done work in, I think

50 countries or something like that.

I've been able to travel some places too.

And I

didn't go to all those places, but our content is consumed

in all, in at least 50 countries.

I want to ask this question about that, because some of these

things do become a little bit cultural.

And I noticed it when I was in India, I was doing a seminar in India and I'm

a talker and a head nodder and they were all out in the audience doing

this and I'm going, what is going

yeah.

Are these people

big time and.

And someone said, no, that's their way of agreement.

They just do their heads.

I said, somebody needs to tell them to do it differently.

I need to control, right?

But I just want to quote, we've got a lot of people in India that listen in.

We've got a lot of people in other countries, give a quick thought about

cultures outside the U S whatever comes to mind, whatever the Holy spirit leads

you just because centric with these types.

Yeah, exactly.

The word is ethnocentric, right?

We think ours is the best.

And, nobody ever thinks anybody else is the best, right?

I think their own is the best.

We're back to the first commandment, aren't we, Tim?

we do a lot of work on the continent of Africa.

And so just, being aware of that there, first of all, is a difference.

And secondly, the I make sure I leave my hammer and chisel somewhere else.

I'm not hammering on people, but as an executive coach, and we

have an ICF international coaching federation, coach training program.

And this is one of the hallmark Dr.

Joey's statements is managing the internal conversation like while coaching is the

most difficult part of coaching because you see things before the client does you.

Come up with answers right to tell the client and yet just as soon as

you tell them the answer that is your answer You realize it's not what's

best for them and their prefrontal cortex is turning into Kevlar So

everything you suggest is bouncing off and they're not gonna do it, right?

So just Curiosity Tim just remain curious awe and wonder is a great thing pairing

of words that comes out of scripture.

But if we can just remain curious, I prefer to think of it as

spiritually curious because I'm looking for Jesus everywhere I go.

So I'm listening to life everywhere I go.

And I'm look, just looking to discover what it is that, what

are some dots that I can connect.

And as long as I remember, it's not about me.

It's about we.

Then that helps me remain curious.

So that's the biggest cultural thing.

And by the way, the U S is more culturally diverse than it ever has been before.

And here I'm talking about ethnicity.

So you don't necessarily have to go to India, and lead a seminar to

experience this instead of this, right?

it's on our doorstep, which is an amazing opportunity to look beyond the obvious

distinctions, all of which I celebrate.

To the Imago Dei within each person and just seeking to find that what

makes them uniquely Themselves out of almost a billion people now.

Yeah, I love that curiosity because I think it keeps us humble.

It keeps us with that thought process of there's something

bigger in the world than me.

And, it goes back to that first commandment you brought up earlier.

It's you know what, this world is not revolving around me.

I don't know about you, but every once in a while I will can slip down

that rabbit hole, which is not good.

Every once in a while like

one.

One thing I'm super, super curious about, I read somewhere that you've

got cats named Boo Radley and Atticus Finch, and we're recording this I

think in August, I don't know when it will be released, and back in July,

that book celebrated its, I think it was, I think it was released in 1960.

Powerful book.

Tell me a little bit about those names, and do you have any kids

named Scout or anything like that?

Yeah.

my, my wife loves to kill a mockingbird.

that's like her favorite.

I majored in my undergrad work in English.

So asking me what's my favorite work of fiction is like asking me

to choose between my daughters, and it ain't gonna happen.

But my wife loved to kill a mockingbird.

And, so that's where Atticus Finch and Boo Radley came from.

By the way, Boo Radley showed up as a Jean Louise.

came to our home was about five months old, a kitten.

and one of our younger daughter's friends just said, Hey, our current

cat is old and keeps picking on the kitten and we're afraid for the kitten.

So we, you take the kitten and we live on a farm.

cats actually earn their keep around here.

we feed them.

something besides, the mice, but, my wife was.

Playing with Jean Louise one day, and as she's often want to do and said,

Oh, we don't have a Jean Louise.

I said, What do you mean?

It's a male.

Oh, okay.

what shall we name?

Boo Radley, she said.

So that's how we got a boo in an Atticus.

Yeah.

Atticus was feral.

he adopted us just showed up around here.

we have an apartment over our garage and a young woman.

Started feeding him our cat food.

So of course he stayed, I was so generous of her to use our cat food.

And, she then went to move over to Williamsburg and I

said, cat's going with you.

And she said, no, I can't tell you where I'm going.

I said, you got one or two choices, take him with you or get him fixed.

So she got him fixed, but he still has feral ways.

Might be a little bit like me, right?

Lots of feral ways.

And, so when the grandbaby was younger, just.

Learning to speak, the cat actually scratched her one day because he's

feral and she thought, Oh, pretty kitty and patted him and he scratched her.

It wasn't deep.

She didn't get sick.

Okay.

No cat scratch fever.

but, she then dubbed him from that day forward.

no.

So at expenses, his no, so anyway,

there's some people, there's some people that are going to need to

get to kill a mockingbird to understand this last minute or two of conversation.

I don't want to explain to people what feral means and I don't

really want to explain to people who Ted Nugent is on this podcast.

So

Google, man.

you can Google it

ask Google or Siri.

cat scratch fever Ted Nugent to kill a mockingbird

and feral and have fun with that.

Hey,

up here, man.

Sorry.

Dr.

Joey, where do you want to send people?

Let's just say that people want to connect with you.

And I know you've got podcasts and books and things.

We've talked about some of those.

just go ahead right now.

Just give it to them.

We'll put it down in notes and things like that.

And then I've got one question before we finish up.

Okay.

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Work positive.

Today, I actually just give you a free course.

called something to talk about and that's all about how to transform work

conversations because words do matter as we were talking about earlier.

Very good.

And the podcast, we've got a podcast here, work positive podcast.

I do wherever you listen to Seek, Grow, Seek, Go, Create.

you can also find The work positive podcast in man, there are a lot of

smart people in the world, but work culture a whole lot smarter than me.

And so I get to talk to them and every week we turn out a new episode.

we've got shorts, we've got a YouTube channel that

features shorts from the shows.

so you can go there to the work positive on YouTube and, you can

also find all the backlog of shows.

if you want to go to work positive dot today, backslash podcast.

you can find all of them there or just wherever finer podcasts

are heard like this one.

Yeah, absolutely.

I think that'd be a great compliment.

all right, Dr.

Joey, we are Seek, Go, Create, and I'm going to let you choose one of those

words that resonates with you or means more to you than the other two right now.

Seek, Go, or Create, and why?

As you're going, you're seeking and you're seeking to create.

You hedged.

You hedged.

I changed the order, if that makes any difference.

I'm convinced that we're here to create.

We're here to create relationships.

We're here to create, solutions to each other's problems.

We're here to create, ways to walk with each other through dilemmas.

We're here to create.

So you're going to go anyway, and you're looking for something you're seeking.

So just go ahead and create a little something that doesn't have to be a

Van Gogh, just create something and see what happens and then keep going,

keep seeking and create something else and watch your life take on meaning

and purpose beyond your wildest dreams.

Excellent.

Thank you so much, Dr.

Joey Fawcett.

I knew we'd have a fun conversation, by the way, we got

Absolutely.

Thank you T.

Diddy.

I know.

Yeah, I think it could continue on it.

I recommend if you've listened in, jump over currently, you're on a podcast.

You might be on YouTube, but jump over to the work positive podcast.

I think it'd be a great compliment with what we're doing here

and what they're doing there.

The topics and all will really resonate from what I've seen

and from listened to over there.

Pick up a copy of the work positive in a negative world for teams.

I've read through most of that, almost finished that one.

And I think it's a great fit.

We all need.

buddy.

More positive in the world we are in today.

That is part of redefining success, which is our tagline here.

Learning how to redefine what success means early on.

We talked about redefining what work is.

I think all of that is in the process of going on.

And I think we constantly need to be curious and be asking those questions.

I appreciate everyone listening in.

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