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You're listening to the Dudes and Dads podcast,

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a show dedicated to helping men be better dudes and dads

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by building community through meaningful conversation

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Joel, you're not in studio with me again.

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Oh, Andy, I've had, I've had a day, a day of it, so...

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Tell me about it.

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I went without last night got dinner with my wife and some friends all seemed well

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Look up about 5 a.m. This morning

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And then proceeded to puke my guts out

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For all for the next few hours, so what I will say is you're looking at a slightly lighter door this evening

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So, Mike, we want to welcome you to the show.

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You are...

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I'm going to introduce you real quick.

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You are the VP of HR at Everonce.

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And so we wanted to have you on because you're fairly new with Everonce, but you have some

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good ideas for preparing your kids for your job.

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Well, thank you.

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I'm thrilled to be here.

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I've become a big fan of the Dudes and Dads podcast ever since I first started.

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discovered it. So I've enjoyed a number of your episodes and I'm honored to be here.

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So thank you.

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Great. Great. So tell me a little bit about yourself. We like to do what's called the

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dad stats. And so that would be your, like, if you've been married, if you're married,

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how long have you been married? If you've got kids, how many kids you have? Things like

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that.

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I am married. I've been married for 33 years. And I'm just glad I remembered that in case

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My wife hears this podcast at some point.

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And we have three daughters together.

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So our oldest is a nurse and she married a nurse.

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They together live in Salt Lake City, Utah.

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So we don't see a whole lot of them, but that's where cell phones come in handy.

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We enjoy texting and FaceTime occasionally.

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Daughter number two just married her husband about three months ago.

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So they're in town in Mishawaka.

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And then I have my youngest daughter is still a student at Bethel University.

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So three girls are now two sons.

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and law. So tell me a little bit about how long have you been an HR manager or how long

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have you been an HR? That's a great question. Probably round numbers

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about 25 years or so. It sounds weird to hear that because I don't think I'm that old, but

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I've been at Everonce for 18 months. Okay. So just over a year and a half, but I've been

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in and around the area in different places. First source bank, I was in HR there. It was

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in management in HR, but I was in the, that's where I first cut my teeth in human resource

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management and then spent some time at United Federal Credit Union. And I've jumped around

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a little bit was at Bethel University for eight years before coming to Everett. So I've been

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around the block a few times, but it's hard to believe all told about 25 years.

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Wow.

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Oh, yeah.

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I, Mike, I wonder if you were to kind of explain an outline on the HR side, and maybe if you've

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been in this, if you've been this role in one way or another, as long as you have, what

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attracts you to a profession that it seems or a category of profession that it seems

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Either people speak of kindly or have HR, like can sometimes be a little bit of a pejorative

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But I'm wondering what attracts you to that category of work?

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I don't think of myself as a traditional HR guy because you're right.

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A lot of times people think about HR as someone who enforces policy and just likes to say

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say no a lot. I like to say that HR is not the paper pushing picnic planning policy police

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that the personnel department used to be in the past. But it's really, I enjoy helping

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people find their niche and helping them succeed. I'm fond of saying things like people are

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not made for policies, but policies are made for people. And in most of my world, I look

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for the gray where a lot of people look at black and white and don't really see a way

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to compromise or do what's right.

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In some cases, the best interest of people.

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So yeah, I've been told that I might not fit the typical mold of an HR person necessarily,

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don't have a finance background, I don't necessarily like to say no if I don't have to.

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I like to look for reasons to say yes or to do the right thing.

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But yeah, I love the challenge, the variety.

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In some ways, I might be a professional matchmaker because I like to put people in the right

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places and help them succeed.

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Well, one of the things that I've appreciated about you as the VP of HR at Everants especially

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is just the lightheartedness, I would say.

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There's always joking between you and other staff members.

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You guys are always planning something for us to be able to get together as a group of

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people, as employees, to kind of feel like we're united.

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But I do appreciate that and how it doesn't feel like you're just like, "Oh, somebody,

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we have to go to go talk to somebody in HR."

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But it's more of like, I feel like you relate to the people more than just what I would

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think is traditional HR people.

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Well, I appreciate that.

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That means a lot.

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And that's intentional because I like to think that we spend way too much time at work not

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to enjoy what we do, the people we work with.

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And so I look for ways to maybe poke fun at coworkers occasionally and just have some

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fun, some lighthearted fun, appropriate lighthearted fun.

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But yeah, I also enjoy, there's enough seriousness about the job.

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I was gonna say, I joke about this, but it wasn't funny that I was welcomed to one company

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several years ago where it was kind of a welcome to the team.

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Here's a list of people you have to lay off.

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My, you know, week one was getting to know people by telling them they were no longer

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So that's hard and it's always difficult when you have to let people go or make difficult

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decisions.

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But yeah, so I really try to celebrate and look for ways to have fun, enjoy what I do

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and make sure people are enjoying their time at work.

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Well, one of the reasons that I wanted to talk a little bit about this topic tonight

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about how to prepare your kids for going into the job place is because I have a kid, one

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One of my oldest child is going to be 18 here in December.

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He's a junior in high school, but he's had a couple jobs in high school, but I'm thinking

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long term for him.

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What are some of the ways that we can prepare?

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That's what we're talking about tonight.

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What are some of the ways that we can prepare our children to kind of be job ready, if you

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will.

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So, what are your thoughts on that?

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I think that's a great topic.

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I'm excited about being able to share some things.

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that I'm an expert by any means, but I do a fair amount of recruiting and looking for

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people to fill various roles.

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And I think as dads especially, this is an important topic because we have an important

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role in the development and formation of our kids.

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So I guess I would start by saying sometimes it's an age-appropriateness discussion.

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But there might be things that we can work with our youngest children about just in terms

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of helping find out what they're interested in and where their talents are and help them

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develop those a little more.

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As kids get older, it might turn into things like helping them develop a work ethic and

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explore what they're really passionate about.

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Today, it might be helping them improve communication style and prepare for interviewing down the

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road at some point.

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But there's an awful lot of ways that we can work with our kids even as we, I like the

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example of as you go down the road, looking for teachable moments and working with our

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children, meeting them where they are and feeding their interest and being able to kind of help

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lead them through a variety of things. Quick story, several years ago, my middle daughter

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happened to discover that a certain day of the year, I forget which day it was now, but it was

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known as National Walk on Stilts Day.

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And so I thought, you know, what a great opportunity

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for a dad, daughter moment.

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So we made a pair of stilts and we painted them together

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and kind of had some fun just walking on stilts.

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I think we only used them that one time

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in my garage ever since, but just a fun way

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of celebrating a unique kind of a moment

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and learning a few things along the way.

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- Definitely.

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you had mentioned kind of honing the skills of your children.

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What are some of the ways in figuring out what they like?

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So what can we do to to help that in that category specifically?

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I think as we get to know our kids and understand what they like to talk about

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and how they spend their time, it's interesting because

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one of my daughters, more than the other, is really talented with paint and drawing.

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And I don't know where she got that

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because none of the rest of us have anywhere

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near that kind of ability.

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But it's just giving opportunities to try new things

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and to experiment, to sometimes learn from failure

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and celebrate that when we can.

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I have another daughter who's extremely musical

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and can just sit down on a piano and play,

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has had some lessons, but has really taken to that

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more so than the other two.

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And so it's kind of a matter of just sometimes

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suggesting a few things, maybe pulling them out

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of comfort zones and giving them assignments or putting them in an opportunity where they

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might be able to learn something about themselves.

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But it can be as simple as just sitting back and having conversation and watch where they

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go.

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Sure.

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And then as parents, I would assume the helping develop them.

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So walking them down that way, if it's something that they like to do, kind of exploring, going,

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"Okay, let's maybe get you into something like if you like ice skating or trying to

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to think you like ice skating, let's get you into like ice skating classes or let's

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getting you, let's develop your skills a little bit. And then that may not be somewhere that

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in the long run that they end up going with, but kind of trying to develop those skills

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and try to figure out what they do, they do like and then obviously some things are going

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to rise to the top. You know, for my son, he's, this is something I've seen. I mean,

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he's always like to play with his hands and build things and do things like that. But

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But he had his first official job this last year over the summer and somebody from our

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church had offered him a job in construction building pole barns.

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And like he did a great job doing that.

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And it was something that he loved doing and is one of those things as a parent.

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My wife and I both kind of said, "Hey, let's explore this."

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Like, do you think this is something that you'd like to do in the future and kind of

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explore that a little more?

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I love that example of ice skating for, I take that for example, because we can't all

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I'll be Olympic medalist in ice skating,

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but if that's where a passion is,

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there can be things related to ice skating

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that could evolve out of that.

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Making a new brand of ice skates

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or working with the ice or doing something,

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coaching, all kinds of different ways

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that that could evolve and develop.

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I never knew human resources was a thing

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when I was in school.

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It just was never on my radar until I stumbled into it,

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found it kind of accidentally,

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and loved it, never looked back.

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And I know there's an awful lot of people who go to school and get degrees and things

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that they never end up doing because the real world is changing so fast and they end up

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doing something that they love and not something they learned how to do.

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And so part of, I guess, coming back to the role of a dad in a child's life and development

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is helping them to be lifelong learners and figure out how they can continue to learn and

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grow.

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your area, you see technology changing so fast and it impacts virtually everything we do.

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I can't believe people can make a living playing video game today and doing all kinds of weird

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things that I would never have dreamed in the past.

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But yeah, that's the world we live in.

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Mike, would you think about preparing our kids for the workplace?

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So the background that I asked this question out of is there's a lot of...

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My wife does a lot of hiring.

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I do hiring in my job.

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And there's a lot of discussion about the job readiness of the emerging generation that

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are entering or have been entering the workforce over the last few years.

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And there's kind of an overarching theme.

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And I've experienced it and as I've talked with other professionals, I think they would

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probably echo this, and I know they have.

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Talking with these leaders about the young employees coming into their first professional

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experience, the first time that they're working an eight to five kind of situation where there

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There are structures and accountabilities in place and there's deliverables and all these

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things.

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You know, I hear a lot about young people being unprepared to step into that situation

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and not necessarily having...

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Sometimes you could use the term "the work ethic" for it or like the determination for

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that job or having even on the side of like some of the like the relational and soft skills

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necessary depending on what the job is as they come in or working with others. I wonder if this

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is a discussion in the, I don't know what HR clubs you participate in or if they're, you know,

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I assume and I know there are like professional groups that discuss, you know, HR, HR trends,

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trends, hiring trends, things like this. Is there a conversation? I know what I'm experiencing,

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but I'm wondering if there's a conversation out there in the marketplace about career

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readiness, about job readiness for our young people.

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No question about it. There's a lot of time and energy and money in fact being spent to

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make sure that young people are prepared to enter the workforce. But you know, my take

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on it is I think we can take away some of the scariness of what you just described by starting

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small and it could be something like giving our children chores to do around the house

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and developing the work ethic to follow through on finishing what you start and how to manage

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your schedule.

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Make sure that we have to leave on time and do some certain things on a given schedule

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and help them even managing their money and giving them an allowance perhaps.

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So if we can start with when they're young or start small, I think that we're, we wouldn't

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bridge the, that chasm quite so, so significantly when they are on a job site and after, after

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a report to a manager and you mentioned the eight to five, I think a lot of young people

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that scares them because they're not, they were done before.

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Right.

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And so it could be as simple as a couple of my daughters have worked at fast food places

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or babysitting and it's not an eight to five, it's a odd hour job.

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But making sure they understand the importance of being people of their word and following

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through on commitments and learning new things even if they're not enjoying what they do

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so they can add value later.

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But yeah, there's no question.

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It's a challenge to make sure that people are ready for the real world because that

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can be a scary place.

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Yeah, like what you said about, you know, having chores for your kids and we've implemented,

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I don't know if you guys are familiar with the whole green light card system.

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So it's a youth bank account card that they can have, but it's nice because those youth

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who have phones can log in right and see all of their stuff, but then you can also have

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chores in there.

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And so you can assign chores for it and complete them off and then they can kind of directly

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see, okay, so if I complete all of my chores, I'm going to have, I'm going to get the total

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amount that mom and dad are going to give me. And if I don't complete them all, then I'm

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going to be missing some of these. And it's a physical way for them to see what is and

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what isn't completed. But then they can also manage their money really well in there as

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far as moving things to savings and things like that. So we've implemented that for our

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kids. And it's been really good. Because again, like you said, there's going to be, they can

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see the effects of not doing their job. I mean, they're obviously not going to get

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fired from it. They probably would in a real world situation, but it gives them the responsibility

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to be able to complete and have something that they can physically see and prepare them

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for the real world.

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Yeah. No, I love that. I'm not familiar with that, but I wish I had known about that several

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years ago because I think that'd be a great way to help young people learn money management

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and accountability and sure, let them fail sometimes.

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A lot of parents I think are afraid to let their kids fail,

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but failure is a much better teacher than success.

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And we can learn a lot of things from just by,

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obviously you wanna make sure that's,

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it's not a fall off the cliff kind of failure,

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but learn how to learn lessons from that,

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pick up yourself and dust yourself off and,

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okay, try harder next time

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or do something different next time.

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Maybe it's not a matter of trying harder.

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- Yeah, I think especially I've noticed that

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as my son is getting older,

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I sometimes have a tough time letting him fail, unquote.

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And I'm trying to get better at that.

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My wife's a good reminder of that to be like,

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"Okay, it's okay, he can have consequences

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if he doesn't do what he's supposed to be doing."

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- So I will say one of the struggles I have is,

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I don't wanna say I lecture too much, but I like to talk.

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I have things I want to, all this wisdom,

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my 25 years of wisdom I want to impart on my children.

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And sometimes I need to just listen to them

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and sit back and find out what,

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wait for them to ask questions before I answer things.

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I think they need to know.

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And so it's a timing thing,

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but along the lines of the failure and learning new things,

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I think there's a lot of value in helping kids

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with problem solving and critical thinking.

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And that can be with the games that we're playing

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different situations, help mom and dad plan a family trip. How would we get from here to there?

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Just kind of expose them to new and different ideas that could serve them well down the road.

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I think so much about, as a parent, how it is hard for us to put our kids in situations where

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or failure is an option, you know, where things may not go as they want to.

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Andy and I talk a lot about, and we've had discussions, you know, kind of about this

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element of grit, you know, developing grit within our kids, developing low determination

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and follow through.

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And you know, in number one, and first of all, kind of begins with me, like, am I modeling,

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my modeling that to them. And then also not bubble wrapping our kids as we send them out into

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the workforce or to have those experiences. I was just recollecting someone, what was I think one

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of my kids asked me about one of the first jobs that I had. And when I was in seventh grade,

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I sold bottled water at the Ship Shawana Flea Market. So those of you that are local to us,

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I still know all about the market phenomenon, but man, oh man, that summer, you know, it's 95 degrees out.

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You're, I, they give you a little light at the time they gave me like this little,

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wasn't even like a lawn chair necessarily, like this little stool thing to sit on.

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I, there was an umbrella over me and that block, that block the sun for maybe half the time I was there,

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but then there's this all this white gravel all around that like just reflects the rays back up

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to you if it's not hitting me from above it back up to and I just remember like that job was like

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though I'm just sitting there selling bottled water as a you know what have been a 14 year old

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well 13 year old kid something like that um it was it was just unpleasant I just remember having

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like the experiences I had with that job were like unpleasant but I did it and I remember

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my mom and dad having a conversation with me of saying hey you this is a job I think I

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was, you know, it was like, Hey, this is going to be like a 10 week job. You got to do this for

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10 weeks. There is a beginning, there is a middle and there is an end, but you're going to finish it.

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Yeah. Because I remember having on some of those days that were like just felt like kind of,

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I was just baking outside, you know, for extended periods of time. And, you know, that,

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that did something. You know, that was an investment. That was an investment in me,

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although I'm sure my parents could just as easily said, "Yeah, it's a tough job. You're just selling

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bottled water. If you want to go find something else or figure something else in our way to make

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money, whatever, go ahead." They could have done that, but they didn't. And I just kind of look

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back and say, "I think that was the beginning for me of teaching me something about finishing

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stuff about completing stuff. We have a rule here at this house. I know the Lehman household

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is similar in this. If you start something, whether it's an extracurricular club or a sport

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or whatever it is, you don't have to do it next season, but you will be doing it.

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Yeah. Yeah, you will be finishing. So get ready. And also, by the way, also calculate

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Calculate what it's going to require for you to go into this thing because know that there isn't an escape door out the back end.

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Like when you say yes, you are really saying yes to something.

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And I just, I have found that it's a kind of a simple rule. It's a simple policy, but I think all of our kids are pretty well caught onto it.

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That if you say you want to do something, you're gonna, you're gonna do it.

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Yeah. You know, I love that. And that's, you know, failure. We've talked a little about that. And I guess this is a

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a different category, but it's, we can do hard things.

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And I think you're right that our children watch us

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in many respects to see how we handle setbacks

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and disappointment and are we following through

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and the commitments that we make because it can be easy

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to parents or children are excellent

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at pointing out our failures or putting out

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our shortcomings as parents because they'll see,

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well, you didn't do that.

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You know, you say this, but you do some of the gals.

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And so that can be a humbling experience to hear from your kids where you've fallen short.

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As we prepare our kids for going into the job market, what are some of the skills that

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we can specifically teach them that maybe HR managers or people that are hiring are

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looking for like interviewing?

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What are some good ways that we can talk to them about interviewing?

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As far as interviewing itself, I think there's just a lot of good that can come from understanding

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how to communicate, how to answer questions thoughtfully and thoroughly without rambling

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and going on and on, providing additional details that's not necessary.

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As far as looking for qualities in a good employee, I would say things like resourcefulness

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and being innovative would be things that we look for, things that I would value.

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I've always been told by my dad years ago,

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one of the most important things you can do as an employee

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is make yourself invaluable.

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Learning other things, cross-train,

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make sure that you are able to do a number of different things

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instead of just the one thing you might be hired to do

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because that makes, it's a win-win situation that way.

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So there's a lot of things we can do to help give our kids

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that spirit of wonder and look at things with fresh eyes

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and learn and grow.

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Yeah, I like that because you never know going into a job, you maybe hired for one thing.

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When I started my job at Ever since I was working in the help desk and then I moved into more

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of a systems admin.

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It's the same IT department, but still it's a different job than I was originally hired

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for.

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And so I think being open to what could be, I mean, you may end up liking something a

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whole lot different coming down the road.

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And so it may be a good place to get involved there.

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And I guess I should also mention on the heels of that conversation is it's important for

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our kids to learn to be patient and to be thorough because generationally, if we were

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going to say things about the generation coming up, a lot of them want to start a job on Monday

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and by Tuesday be CEO and they only have to work three or four hours a week.

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And so they, it may take time.

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It takes going through, learning some lessons and putting in some time.

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But, but yeah, that's, that's a good example of someone who can, can learn and grow and

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be promote, be recognized and be rewarded for that.

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So a lot of success stories come out of just doing a good job, making a good name for yourself.

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Mike, if you've, if you were to coach a young person like, hey, you're going to go to a

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job interview, here's the things to put, like when you show up to that, to put your best

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foot forward and to be a standout candidate.

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Because these are things that moms and dads can coach their kids and even work with.

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Like I've thought about, you know, my eldest is going to be 14 here, so we're just a few

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years out from probably his first, maybe his first job.

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kind of establishing the categories and the things that a person, when they show up for

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a job interview that are going to really stick out to a person who's hiring, what would

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be those points for you?

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Yeah, the great question.

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I'm going to start with something very basic, but often overlooked, and that's something

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as simple as make sure you're on time.

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Make sure that you know where you're going and arrive early and show interest.

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Look the part.

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A lot of people take interviewing,

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take any kind of appearance for granted

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and don't take the time to dress up

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and maybe iron a shirt or put on a tie.

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Even if you're not gonna have to wear a tie

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when you get the job.

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Look your best when you're interviewing

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and make sure that you're making a good name for yourself

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so you can stand out among your peers.

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It's important to spend some time on a resume too.

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I can't tell you how many times

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I've had a good interview with somebody

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and look at the resume and it's full of typos

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and it's sloppily put together,

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even if a young person doesn't have a lot of job experience,

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you can still do a nice job of laying out who you are

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and what you're interested in

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and what your skills might be, and don't misspell things.

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I can't imagine with all the tools we have today

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with word and spell check,

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people still misspell words on resumes,

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but it happens all the time.

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And then obviously,

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manners are important following up after a job interview

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with a thank you that goes a long way

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and just making sure that you convince whoever is hiring you that you are

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going to do the things that we've talked about already. You're going to follow

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through, you're going to be thorough, you'll do a good job because that's that

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is half the battle. Sure. Well, and I think too, I mean especially we're like

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we're talking about youth here, you nailed it on the head there. You may not

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have a whole lot of work experience. So you need to especially stand out in

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in other ways because yeah, they can't look and say, oh, you know, whatever John Smith

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has got all this, this work history, but you know, John showed up, he was on time, he was

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dressed nicely, his resume made sense. And because I mean, I've even sat through some

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some interviews where I'm listening and I look at the interview or the resume and the

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resume doesn't even make sense. Like something's on there that you're like, doesn't make sense.

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And so, yeah, those are good ways to, even though you don't have history necessarily,

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but prove your worth in other ways.

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Yeah.

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Well, as we've been talking, if you're selling water at Ship Shawana or whatever job that

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you've had, there are things you can learn from that.

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There are lessons you can talk about, given a situation of, "Tell me how you would handle

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the situation and it might be a good practice to work with our children to even ask them

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kind of interview questions in the backyard as you're doing other things and just say,

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how would you answer this question?

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What would you think about that?

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One of my first jobs, Joel, I'll just mention was detastling corn when I was a...

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Oh, yes, yes.

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Too young to know.

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A local favorite.

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Yeah.

453
00:30:33,900 --> 00:30:39,940
And that's a grueling way to spend a summer, but a lot of good work ethic comes out of

454
00:30:39,940 --> 00:30:44,020
that and that was my first real paycheck and that's a lot of fun to be able to see.

455
00:30:44,020 --> 00:30:45,020
I earned this.

456
00:30:45,020 --> 00:30:47,500
I did it the hard way.

457
00:30:47,500 --> 00:30:48,500
Yeah.

458
00:30:48,500 --> 00:30:52,820
But Jack and I were just this summer, we had the kids with us in the car.

459
00:30:52,820 --> 00:30:57,300
We're driving by a field and there were D.Taslers out and I'm sure we sounded like those people,

460
00:30:57,300 --> 00:31:02,940
but Jack, he's like, that's what a job my wife did as a young person.

461
00:31:02,940 --> 00:31:05,820
And she's like, you had to wake up like she's saying, she's like, I had to wake up at this

462
00:31:05,820 --> 00:31:10,300
amount of time and we were out in the field for this long and you got all these cuts all over your

463
00:31:10,300 --> 00:31:16,940
hand and oh yeah and yeah and and looking at my kids looking at her like like totally totally

464
00:31:16,940 --> 00:31:21,820
confused as to why she would select a job like that. I didn't even have to do that and it's like

465
00:31:21,820 --> 00:31:26,700
well because there were just a few options available to us and that was one that paid the best so

466
00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:34,780
that's right that's what we did but um you know as we're as we're thinking about um

467
00:31:34,780 --> 00:31:40,120
I'm wondering how to ask this question in the right way, Mike, so that you can give

468
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:47,600
me an answer that's kind of dialed in.

469
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:55,340
What when something goes wrong in a person's employment?

470
00:31:55,340 --> 00:32:06,700
When there is an issue, because I know probably in the past, in my work experiences, I know

471
00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:12,540
I have been the issue before in my earlier work days.

472
00:32:12,540 --> 00:32:20,420
When there is an issue with either job performance or with the questioning about whether it's

473
00:32:20,420 --> 00:32:27,380
the right fit for the job or things like this. The language I think the language I use is

474
00:32:27,380 --> 00:32:36,820
that sometimes people go on a performance improvement plan. And that, I'm wondering about

475
00:32:36,820 --> 00:32:47,140
your thoughts and your approach toward, is it possible for someone who is struggling in their

476
00:32:47,140 --> 00:32:56,260
job who maybe feels or something is a mismatch, is it possible to turn that around? Is that

477
00:32:56,260 --> 00:33:05,940
possible for the person to gain a new perspective? Or is it just best that we help release them

478
00:33:05,940 --> 00:33:13,940
in as best a way possible into the workforce somewhere else? How have you thought about that?

479
00:33:13,940 --> 00:33:16,180
How have you approached that professionally?

480
00:33:16,180 --> 00:33:21,140
Wow, that's a great question. And I have thought about that an awful lot because

481
00:33:21,140 --> 00:33:28,340
I am convinced that everybody wants to be successful. Nobody wants to struggle. And

482
00:33:28,340 --> 00:33:35,300
oftentimes people will self-select out if they're in a situation that sometimes jobs just

483
00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:41,060
outgrow them as companies evolve and change and they just can't keep up and they need to recognize

484
00:33:41,060 --> 00:33:45,180
is that it can be hard to walk away from something

485
00:33:45,180 --> 00:33:46,460
that you know that you're comfortable with,

486
00:33:46,460 --> 00:33:48,660
something you've done for a number of years.

487
00:33:48,660 --> 00:33:52,820
But I think we owe it to people to be honest with them

488
00:33:52,820 --> 00:33:54,980
and let them know this is the expectation

489
00:33:54,980 --> 00:33:58,380
and here's where you are if you're not measuring up.

490
00:33:58,380 --> 00:33:59,220
There's no question.

491
00:33:59,220 --> 00:34:02,300
I think people, if it's a matter of attitude

492
00:34:02,300 --> 00:34:06,820
or job performance, they can, given the right motivation,

493
00:34:06,820 --> 00:34:08,820
the right circumstances, the right tools,

494
00:34:08,820 --> 00:34:10,500
I've seen people turn that around

495
00:34:10,500 --> 00:34:12,100
and I love when that happens,

496
00:34:12,100 --> 00:34:15,740
people can take that seriously and really dig in

497
00:34:15,740 --> 00:34:18,220
and do some things to turn it around.

498
00:34:18,220 --> 00:34:20,580
They've got a want to and you can't force it.

499
00:34:20,580 --> 00:34:22,940
So if people don't recognize a need,

500
00:34:22,940 --> 00:34:24,860
if we're not honest with them about the need,

501
00:34:24,860 --> 00:34:29,860
or if it truly is outside of their desire,

502
00:34:29,860 --> 00:34:33,460
then sometimes you do have to have those conversations

503
00:34:33,460 --> 00:34:35,660
and say, "We want you to be successful.

504
00:34:35,660 --> 00:34:36,940
"I know you want to succeed.

505
00:34:36,940 --> 00:34:38,900
"This just isn't working out for you."

506
00:34:38,900 --> 00:34:42,300
And I've had, unfortunately, I've had those conversations

507
00:34:42,300 --> 00:34:45,220
on a number of occasions where people have had to leave

508
00:34:45,220 --> 00:34:50,300
not necessarily voluntarily, but fast forward six months

509
00:34:50,300 --> 00:34:52,020
or a year and they're much happier

510
00:34:52,020 --> 00:34:53,620
because they find something they enjoy

511
00:34:53,620 --> 00:34:54,540
and they can do well.

512
00:34:54,540 --> 00:34:59,540
And oftentimes they'll look back at that as a learning

513
00:34:59,540 --> 00:35:01,420
opportunity and a growing opportunity for them,

514
00:35:01,420 --> 00:35:03,540
even though in the moment it's hard.

515
00:35:03,540 --> 00:35:08,540
And I look at a job loss similar to a death in the family.

516
00:35:08,540 --> 00:35:12,700
family and you go through that grieving process and there's anger and there's denial and

517
00:35:12,700 --> 00:35:16,700
it's the whole range of emotions. But ultimately you get to accept that and you learn from

518
00:35:16,700 --> 00:35:19,660
it and you walk away stronger and better as a result.

519
00:35:19,660 --> 00:35:26,460
Yeah, I think, I mean, your job kind of becomes part of who you are. And so that loss is, I

520
00:35:26,460 --> 00:35:30,620
mean, it's a loss and that's what grief is, is just a loss of anything. It could be death,

521
00:35:30,620 --> 00:35:36,860
it could be a job, it could be anything. Yeah, I think that's actually a good thing to even

522
00:35:36,860 --> 00:35:43,340
prepare our children for too is say, okay, there may be a time in your job history that

523
00:35:43,340 --> 00:35:50,380
the severance of the employment is not due to your choice, but your employer's choice.

524
00:35:50,380 --> 00:35:54,980
And you'll move on. I mean, you'll make it, you'll move on. So that would be another good

525
00:35:54,980 --> 00:35:57,940
thing, I think, to talk about or talk with our kids about.

526
00:35:57,940 --> 00:35:58,940
Yeah. Yeah.

527
00:35:58,940 --> 00:36:06,820
Yeah. And it's not necessarily a reflection on their character, who they are. So they

528
00:36:06,820 --> 00:36:11,300
that's the other thing I know. And I know I felt this way probably in my younger years when

529
00:36:11,300 --> 00:36:20,580
a job was... It was not turning out how I thought it was. The job was not as it was either advertised

530
00:36:20,580 --> 00:36:24,660
or it felt like it took a twist and it was kind of like, "Yeah, I'm not a fit for this."

531
00:36:24,660 --> 00:36:32,980
Then the next question is, "Okay, am I just a massive failure in life that I'm not able to fit

532
00:36:32,980 --> 00:36:38,260
with us or not able to change something about myself to make this job work.

533
00:36:38,260 --> 00:36:48,420
It's funny now, I joke now as someone who leads an organization. I'm always just amazed at the

534
00:36:48,420 --> 00:36:57,700
massive, the variety of personality types and skill sets within the job force and how I absolutely,

535
00:36:59,300 --> 00:37:06,100
I need, I probably need my certified public accountant to be a different kind of person

536
00:37:06,100 --> 00:37:07,460
than my marketing manager.

537
00:37:07,460 --> 00:37:08,460
Absolutely.

538
00:37:08,460 --> 00:37:09,460
Right.

539
00:37:09,460 --> 00:37:10,460
Right.

540
00:37:10,460 --> 00:37:13,460
And that's okay.

541
00:37:13,460 --> 00:37:19,980
And maybe somebody thought, "Hey, I'm going to be a certified public accountant."

542
00:37:19,980 --> 00:37:24,940
And they got in pretty deep into that.

543
00:37:24,940 --> 00:37:27,580
I don't know what the statistic now, and Mike, maybe you know this.

544
00:37:27,580 --> 00:37:31,900
I don't know, it used to be that 80% of people were not in the area of their degree.

545
00:37:31,900 --> 00:37:36,060
And there, and there's, if they had gone to college for something, right, a vast majority of people,

546
00:37:36,060 --> 00:37:41,980
and they can feel like an, an educational system, it's like, oh, I'm on this track, you know, I went to be an engineer

547
00:37:41,980 --> 00:37:44,940
or I went to be this, this thing and I've got to do that.

548
00:37:44,940 --> 00:37:51,900
And then they get into the work and they realize like, Nope, not, not a good, not a good fit.

549
00:37:52,260 --> 00:38:00,500
I just wondered how we help people navigate that and how we help them understand.

550
00:38:00,500 --> 00:38:05,780
It doesn't always have to be this big personal or existential crisis, but rather...

551
00:38:05,780 --> 00:38:10,500
Because I feel like from your perspective, Mike, that's really what you're aiming to do, right?

552
00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:18,740
Is to align people in a way where they're going to be a better employee on the backside than they

553
00:38:18,740 --> 00:38:23,940
they were on the front from a learning experience and from some coaching and things like that.

554
00:38:23,940 --> 00:38:30,180
Yeah, you said an awful lot right there. I don't know what the exact number is of how

555
00:38:30,180 --> 00:38:36,500
many people are working in fields outside of their degrees, but I know it's huge. And it's

556
00:38:36,500 --> 00:38:39,860
fascinating because that's been the case for a long time. And you'd think we'd figure out a

557
00:38:39,860 --> 00:38:45,940
better way of preparing people for what they're doing than we've done. But at the end of the day,

558
00:38:45,940 --> 00:38:50,820
I think there's an important lesson for us to teach our kids and that is their identity and their

559
00:38:50,820 --> 00:38:55,700
self-worth is so much bigger than what they do and how they spend their time or how they make a living.

560
00:38:55,700 --> 00:39:02,340
And so yeah, that can change. You might have more than one job for a season or you might lose a

561
00:39:02,340 --> 00:39:07,540
job that you think you're going to love and that's okay because that doesn't define you. It doesn't

562
00:39:07,540 --> 00:39:14,820
make you who you are and you talked about the CFO and your marketing person being different.

563
00:39:14,820 --> 00:39:17,100
They're wired differently.

564
00:39:17,100 --> 00:39:22,500
Not only is that the case, but there's a difference based on the size of the organization.

565
00:39:22,500 --> 00:39:27,220
You start small and you're a family-owned company.

566
00:39:27,220 --> 00:39:30,900
You might have one person who wears five or six different hats.

567
00:39:30,900 --> 00:39:36,100
One of them is CFO and also operations and marketing on the side and whatever.

568
00:39:36,100 --> 00:39:41,220
But as you grow and expand and get more complex, you need people to specialize.

569
00:39:41,220 --> 00:39:45,680
And so people, I mentioned earlier, sometimes jobs just outgrow people and that happens

570
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,700
too which is no knock on individuals.

571
00:39:48,700 --> 00:39:53,380
But if they're lifelong learners, if they're growing, hopefully they'll find one of those

572
00:39:53,380 --> 00:39:57,880
niches they can really celebrate and where they can excel.

573
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:02,500
But if not, sometimes it's just time to move on because the company is changing and you

574
00:40:02,500 --> 00:40:04,220
don't want to change and that's okay too.

575
00:40:04,220 --> 00:40:05,220
Yeah.

576
00:40:05,220 --> 00:40:10,340
These are all really good things to help us prepare our children.

577
00:40:10,340 --> 00:40:13,140
I really, really appreciated that.

578
00:40:13,140 --> 00:40:16,820
Are there any other things that we may have missed

579
00:40:16,820 --> 00:40:21,020
that you can think of to help us prepare our kids?

580
00:40:21,020 --> 00:40:25,860
- You know, the only other things I can think of would be

581
00:40:25,860 --> 00:40:29,980
making sure they understand the value of relationships

582
00:40:29,980 --> 00:40:31,260
and networking.

583
00:40:31,260 --> 00:40:33,720
I think our kids spend a lot of time online,

584
00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:36,780
but they don't necessarily develop good interactions

585
00:40:36,780 --> 00:40:37,820
or relationships with people

586
00:40:37,820 --> 00:40:39,280
and have conversations with adults.

587
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,280
I think that can go a long way.

588
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:46,280
We've mentioned lifelong learners and just instilling in them a love to learn.

589
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:50,280
I think one of the most important things that we need to teach our kids is to be

590
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:54,280
huge fans and followers of the Dudes and Dads podcast.

591
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:55,280
No, listen to you.

592
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,280
Really, go listen to you.

593
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,280
That's critical.

594
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:01,280
Yes, yes.

595
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,280
So with that though, that brings us up to...

596
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,280
Now it's time for Dudes and Dads Pop Quiz.

597
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:08,280
Thank you, and James.

598
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:09,280
Oh, no.

599
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:16,040
So the dudes and dads pop quiz is just a time that we ask Mike random questions that he

600
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,580
cannot prepare for that have nothing to do with HR.

601
00:41:19,580 --> 00:41:21,480
My favorite part of the show.

602
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:27,880
So, Joel, maybe, maybe Mike can adopt these questions into HR, you know, for the future

603
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,880
of some sort of HR.

604
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:34,440
So we have these, I don't know, these pod decks that are just random questions.

605
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,000
You should get some of these and put them on your desk.

606
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:41,000
So you can just like as an interview, ask questions that are random, not anything to

607
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:42,000
do with the job.

608
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,000
I'll keep it holed up and say, pick a card.

609
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,000
Yeah.

610
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,000
Perfect.

611
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,000
And then answer the question.

612
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,000
Put it in the house here, right?

613
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,000
In no way will that make the interview even more stressful.

614
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,000
Good point.

615
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,000
Totally open.

616
00:41:55,000 --> 00:42:00,640
It would show people, it would show me how they might answer different questions and

617
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,200
creativity maybe or.

618
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:03,200
All right.

619
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,000
So Joel, do you want to ask the first one?

620
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:10,680
Yes, I will. Okay. And this is a traditional question, but it says a lot. Mike, you're

621
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:16,360
stranded out in Desert Island. You're able to have three things with you. What are those

622
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:17,360
three things?

623
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:23,440
Can I ask qualifying questions or do I have to just answer them?

624
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,560
We already can find out what kind of person Mike is. Just a question. Yes, go ahead. Yes,

625
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,440
I'll answer the question.

626
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:33,720
Obviously, a cell phone is pretty important, but I don't know if I have a way of charging

627
00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:37,400
Is it how what's the desert island resources here?

628
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,800
Yeah, you're Mike, here's the deal.

629
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,240
This desert island is probably going to be the less desert island you're ever on.

630
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:45,920
And OK, all right.

631
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:50,320
The three things that you have are going to be like how to usher you into eternity.

632
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,320
That's what's going to happen.

633
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:53,520
So what? Thank you. All right.

634
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,320
Hopefully that clarifies it enough.

635
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,960
Well, great. So so in that case, I'm a desert island.

636
00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:02,120
I get three things. Yep.

637
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:07,120
So a genie in a bottle would be one of the,

638
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,800
I'd like to have one of those.

639
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,720
I'd like to have a boat, preferably a yacht,

640
00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:17,120
so I can at least circle around the island,

641
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:18,560
if not make it off the island.

642
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,140
And then probably something like,

643
00:43:20,140 --> 00:43:23,920
I guess I should be practical and say either a flint

644
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,920
or a fishing pole or something just so that

645
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,440
if I'm gonna have to stick around for a while,

646
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:28,680
I can at least sustain myself.

647
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,440
- Those are good well thought answers.

648
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:31,600
Like I like that.

649
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,720
No one has ever answered that way ever.

650
00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:37,440
I don't think no one's asked the qualifying like questions on that either.

651
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:42,560
To spoken to a true HR professional, he's really just wants to make sure

652
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,560
that we're in the right categories. Yeah.

653
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,400
That's right. Well done.

654
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,040
So, Mike, what would you consider your greatest achievement?

655
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:58,760
Well, obviously making on the dudes and dads podcast is has got to be up there.

656
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:07,380
pretty high. You know, greatest achievement. Wow. I could go with a traditional answer

657
00:44:07,380 --> 00:44:18,100
and say something about being a father or reaching a milestone with my marriage. Work-wise,

658
00:44:18,100 --> 00:44:23,740
I would say that the one time when I really pushed myself several years ago, I put myself

659
00:44:23,740 --> 00:44:28,900
in a situation where I had to come up with a solution for a problem. We didn't know

660
00:44:28,900 --> 00:44:35,320
have the money to spend on a, actually I ended up being a computer program. And so I found

661
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:43,420
access classes and took three or four increasing level classes and access and built a program

662
00:44:43,420 --> 00:44:48,700
that we used for several years. And it was kind of a fun way for me to grow and learn

663
00:44:48,700 --> 00:44:52,140
I'm not a computer guy by any means, but I was able to develop something that had some

664
00:44:52,140 --> 00:44:56,540
usefulness and saved us a lot of money. And after I left, they spent the money and bought

665
00:44:56,540 --> 00:44:57,540
something much better.

666
00:44:57,540 --> 00:45:00,540
That's how it goes.

667
00:45:00,540 --> 00:45:01,540
Yes.

668
00:45:01,540 --> 00:45:03,540
Yeah, but I really enjoyed that.

669
00:45:03,540 --> 00:45:04,540
Okay.

670
00:45:04,540 --> 00:45:10,860
My next question is, um, oh, did I just blank on it?

671
00:45:10,860 --> 00:45:11,860
I had it.

672
00:45:11,860 --> 00:45:12,860
Oh gosh.

673
00:45:12,860 --> 00:45:15,540
Uh, uh, you.

674
00:45:15,540 --> 00:45:17,540
Oh, yes.

675
00:45:17,540 --> 00:45:19,540
I remember.

676
00:45:19,540 --> 00:45:25,540
Mike, what book, what book should we be reading right now?

677
00:45:25,540 --> 00:45:32,540
There are a lot of good books, business related, HR related.

678
00:45:32,540 --> 00:45:37,260
Patrick Lencioni has written some good ones.

679
00:45:37,260 --> 00:45:40,380
Things like, you know, Death by Meeting, Come to Mind.

680
00:45:40,380 --> 00:45:43,540
I love Monday Morning Leadership, if you're familiar with that.

681
00:45:43,540 --> 00:45:46,660
David Kattrell, I think is the author.

682
00:45:46,660 --> 00:45:51,620
Easy Read, small book, but great practical wisdom in that book.

683
00:45:51,620 --> 00:45:54,220
So that would probably be the one I'd recommend above.

684
00:45:54,220 --> 00:45:58,780
a number of them. But yeah, that would be, I guess, a bigger fan of authors and individual

685
00:45:58,780 --> 00:46:03,060
books because someone who knows what they're talking about. Yeah, I want to give as many

686
00:46:03,060 --> 00:46:04,540
things that they've written as possible.

687
00:46:04,540 --> 00:46:05,540
Sure. That's good.

688
00:46:05,540 --> 00:46:07,540
And of course, the Bible.

689
00:46:07,540 --> 00:46:08,540
Yeah.

690
00:46:08,540 --> 00:46:09,540
Let's not forget.

691
00:46:09,540 --> 00:46:10,540
There we go.

692
00:46:10,540 --> 00:46:14,700
There we go. And Patrick Lenshione would tell you the same thing. So you're a good company.

693
00:46:14,700 --> 00:46:15,700
Yeah.

694
00:46:15,700 --> 00:46:20,620
All right. So maybe this ties back to Joel's question about the island. But what band

695
00:46:20,620 --> 00:46:24,820
or artist dead or alive, would you have play at your funeral?

696
00:46:24,820 --> 00:46:28,420
So because you're on the desert island, then you might not make it out

697
00:46:28,420 --> 00:46:30,120
what band would play.

698
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,220
I'm not sure how they're going to get there because it's the desert island

699
00:46:32,220 --> 00:46:34,920
and you're alone, but if you could have a band.

700
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:36,920
No, that's that's good.

701
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:41,160
I might my all three of my daughters would probably want me to say Taylor Swift.

702
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:45,280
You know, honestly, Rich Mullins is one of my favorite of all time.

703
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,060
And I you said dead alive.

704
00:46:47,060 --> 00:46:49,320
So I have to come back and do that for me.

705
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:54,680
But I love even now listening to songs he wrote and I had a unique opportunity

706
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,400
of spending time at summer camp with him in Michigan and just learning from him

707
00:46:58,400 --> 00:46:59,360
and spending time with him.

708
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:00,720
Great guy.

709
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:02,720
So yeah, he'd no question.

710
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:04,240
He'd be the guy who would play at my funeral.

711
00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:04,680
Yeah.

712
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,960
Rich, Rich Mullins, y'all, for those of you young people, you just Google it.

713
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:16,760
A say a sage, a sage for the ages that I think more people.

714
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,160
I know some of my friends have a deep have a deep respect for

715
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:26,140
no longer with us, but nevertheless, contributed a lot.

716
00:47:26,140 --> 00:47:29,540
So that's, yeah, that's a good that's a good one.

717
00:47:29,540 --> 00:47:32,840
My final question. Yeah.

718
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,340
Goes something like this.

719
00:47:35,340 --> 00:47:37,100
I like this question.

720
00:47:37,100 --> 00:47:40,200
And I go to it a lot because I think it's it's it's it's pointy.

721
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:44,600
It, Mike, in a zombie apocalypse scenario,

722
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:52,200
Who among your family is the last to die?

723
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:59,160
That's, this really is like an analysis about skill sets and survivability.

724
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,880
Who do you think ends up on top?

725
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:08,920
In the zombie apocalypse, I guess I'm going to say my mother-in-law would likely, she's pretty

726
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:15,560
resourceful and she has had a number of different events in her life which have made her stronger

727
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:22,440
and resilient. And so I would all stand right behind her when the time comes and let her lead the way.

728
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,720
And yeah, I think she would be likely the last to go.

729
00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:32,200
Andy, I don't know if we can check the history of the Dudes and Dads podcast pop quiz, but

730
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:37,080
I believe this is the first time that anyone has invoked the skill set of their mother-in-law.

731
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,360
I think that is true.

732
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:45,480
I'm speechless. Just don't read all kinds of records.

733
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:50,480
But boy, oh boy, wherever the mother-in-law is,

734
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,000
I hope she hears this.

735
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,720
- I was just gonna say, I hope she, yeah,

736
00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:55,920
I'll get extra brownie points if I can make sure

737
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,880
that she hears that I spoke of her in such a kind way.

738
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,080
Because she knows I've spoken about her

739
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:03,680
in less kind ways in the past.

740
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:07,000
- All right, Mike, my last question is,

741
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,840
what would be your best day ever?

742
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,880
- Well, outside from living it here with you two.

743
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:15,220
- Wow.

744
00:49:15,220 --> 00:49:20,220
You know, I put me on an island, give me that yacht,

745
00:49:20,220 --> 00:49:26,260
or if not that, I honestly love to be outside,

746
00:49:26,260 --> 00:49:30,300
Smoky Mountains, walking through the trails

747
00:49:30,300 --> 00:49:32,100
in the Great Smoky Mountains area,

748
00:49:32,100 --> 00:49:35,900
give me a chance to just explore nature

749
00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:39,580
and come upon a waterfall and spend time outdoors.

750
00:49:39,580 --> 00:49:42,060
Would that be a great way to spend some time?

751
00:49:42,060 --> 00:49:43,620
- Well, you've done it, you've successfully

752
00:49:43,620 --> 00:49:44,700
passed the pop quiz.

753
00:49:44,700 --> 00:49:45,700
So well done.

754
00:49:45,700 --> 00:49:46,700
Well done.

755
00:49:46,700 --> 00:49:47,700
$20.

756
00:49:47,700 --> 00:49:48,700
Yes, yes.

757
00:49:48,700 --> 00:49:50,300
And we want to thank you for being on the show today.

758
00:49:50,300 --> 00:49:55,560
We really appreciate your knowledge and your wisdom that you're bringing to help those

759
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,940
of us who are parenting kids that are getting closer to that age of bringing kids into the

760
00:49:59,940 --> 00:50:00,940
job market.

761
00:50:00,940 --> 00:50:03,380
So thanks for being on the show with us tonight.

762
00:50:03,380 --> 00:50:04,380
Yeah.

763
00:50:04,380 --> 00:50:08,300
And if we'll find a way, if you ever want to connect with Mike and figure out how to

764
00:50:08,300 --> 00:50:13,380
help your kid be just a better employee, we'll make him embarrassingly easy to find

765
00:50:13,380 --> 00:50:14,620
through some sort of special.

766
00:50:14,620 --> 00:50:16,260
I'm assuming Mike's on LinkedIn, right?

767
00:50:16,260 --> 00:50:17,420
He's got a bad. Absolutely.

768
00:50:17,420 --> 00:50:18,420
Addable.

769
00:50:18,420 --> 00:50:21,220
I'll LinkedIn, TicTac, all the.

770
00:50:21,220 --> 00:50:22,820
He's a TicTac.

771
00:50:22,820 --> 00:50:24,620
Pulling tracks.

772
00:50:24,620 --> 00:50:25,620
Pull down.

773
00:50:25,620 --> 00:50:28,860
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774
00:50:28,860 --> 00:50:31,940
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775
00:50:31,940 --> 00:50:33,580
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776
00:50:33,580 --> 00:50:35,820
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777
00:50:35,820 --> 00:50:40,460
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778
00:50:40,900 --> 00:50:44,800
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779
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,240
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780
00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:49,840
All right.

781
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:50,880
Grace and peace guys.

782
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,460
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783
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