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This is episode 223 of Teacher Approved.

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Hey there. Thanks for joining us today. In today's

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episode, we are talking about how to turn your individual

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procedures into routines that actually stick, and sharing a

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teacher approved tip for handling your own routines.

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Let's start with a try it tomorrow, where we share a quick

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win to help you boost your classroom community. Emily, what

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is our suggestion for this week?

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Well, if you haven't already, take a couple minutes

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during your prep time today to set up a table to track positive

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communication for each student. A simple way to do this is to

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list students' names down the side and then have a column for

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each month. Then it's easy to keep track of which families

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you've reached out to recently. Making communication with

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families a positive experience and not just something that

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happens when there's trouble, can go a long way to

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strengthening the school home partnership. And I can vouch for

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this from the parent side, that I hate feeling like every time I

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see an email from a teacher that something must be wrong. So it

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would be great if sometimes it's positive communication as well.

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Well, if you like this idea or anything else that we

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share on the podcast, would you take a second and give us a five

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star rating? Ratings and reviews are one way that new listeners

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find us. So really, truly, every rating and review is a huge help

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to us.

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So if you've been listening for a while, you know

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that we are big believers, that almost seems like an

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understatement, huge fans of strong classroom procedures. We

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have talked a lot about how to design them, how to teach them,

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using our tell try tally talk method, and how to course

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correct when they slide.

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But, this might be hard to believe, there is actually

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one part of procedures that we have never tackled. How do you

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take all of those individual procedures that you have been

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working so hard to teach and link them into routines that

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your students can actually follow? And today we're going to

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tell you how to make those routines stick without having to

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turn into the nagging police.

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So think of a single procedure as one Lego brick. It

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does what it needs to do, but if you want something that really

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works for you, like a smooth morning start, you need to snap

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those bricks together.

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I love that analogy, and that's perfect for your Lego

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family.

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Yes.

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A routine is a string of procedures in a set order that

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is done so often that it runs on autopilot. The goal is that the

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brain doesn't have to think. It just does.

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Think back to how you taught your individual

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procedures. If you used our tell try tally talk method—are we

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going to start calling that the 4T method? Are we going to, I

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don't know, but we'll stick with tell try tally talk. If you used

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our method, you clearly explained the procedure and

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modeled each step. You had your students try it out with your

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guidance, you tallied how everything went and celebrated

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progress, and then you talked over what worked, what was

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tricky, what practice was needed.

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That method works beautifully for individual

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procedures, but let's dive into how to connect those procedures

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into a seamless routine. This time we will use a three step

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process of anchoring, expanding and reinforcing.

Emily:

Wait, but there's no alliteration in that one.

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I feel like we're really letting the side down. It all

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has an "ing," does that count?

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Okay. That is something, I guess. But you know we love a

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process, so let's look at the first step in this new process,

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which is anchoring. This is where you pick one solid

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procedure that's already working well and use it as the

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foundation for the whole routine. Think of this as the

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core of your routine. It's the one thing that, when it's in

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place makes everything else easier.

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For a morning routine, this might be students unpacking

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their backpacks correctly. For transitions, it could be having

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students respond quickly to your attention signal.

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So the key here is to choose something that's already

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pretty solid. Don't try to anchor a routine to a procedure

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that is still wobbly. You want your strongest procedure as your

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foundation.

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And here's where a lot of teachers get tripped up. They

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try to teach the entire morning routine as one giant procedure.

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And I have done this myself, but let me tell you friends, that's

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like trying to swallow a watermelon whole.

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Oh, that sounds miserable. That's gonna end

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badly. If your morning routine includes coming into the

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building, entering the classroom, unpacking backpacks,

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making lunch choices, getting materials, starting morning

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work, and knowing what to do while waiting for others, that

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is not one procedure. That's like seven procedures that have

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to happen in sequence.

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And when you look at it that way, it's no wonder that

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your kids are having a hard time following through. They just

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can't master that many steps in one go. A good rule of thumb is

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that if a procedure has more than about five steps or so,

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give or take, it's time to break it down. The smaller you can

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make each task, the more deeply students can internalize it.

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And when they're shorter, they're faster to teach too. So

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that's just a little win. Okay, so identify the Keystone

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procedure in each routine and go all in on making it run like

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clockwork. That is the first step. Then you can start

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expanding. This means adding the next logical step in the

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sequence.

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If unpacking backpacks is your anchor to your morning

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routine, the next step might be making your lunch choice without

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having to be reminded. That used to kill me every day. How many

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days are we in school? Anyway, you want that to be automatic,

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and then you would teach that procedure separately, right?

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Tell try tally talk, until it's solid.

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Then you'd start connecting them in your

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student's mind. The students already know how to do each

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piece, but you're helping them see how it all flows together.

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So first unpack your backpack using our five steps, then make

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your lunch choice using our three steps.

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Keep expanding one procedure at a time until you

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have built the full routine. You know, plan on this taking at

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least two weeks. That is totally normal, and it's to be expected.

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If things start to fall apart as you're connecting

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procedures, pull back for a minute and try to pinpoint the

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issue, instead of plowing ahead, because you want this all done

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and out of your hair.

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Oh, yes, figuring out a problem now will save you from

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having to deal with it for nine more months.

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And that brings us to the final step, which is reinforcing. This

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is where the magic happens, because this is when your

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routine moves from something we do because the teacher told us

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to, to something we just do.

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This is the point where your routine will either take

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off or fizzle out. The goal is to train your students brains to

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run this sequence without you prompting them every step of the

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way, and that only happens with intentional, repeated

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reinforcement.

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Think of it like teaching kids to tie their shoes. If

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you've ever lived through that, you don't just show them once

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and then expect them to do it perfectly every time. You have

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to practice a lot.

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Yep, and it's going to take a lot of practice with your

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routines too. But that doesn't mean it has to be drudgery. Have

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some fun with it. You could set up a bingo board or a tic tac

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toe board with all of the different procedures that make

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up your dismissal routine. Every time they complete one part of

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the routine without needing instructions from you, they get

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to cross off a square. If they get a bingo or a tic tac toe,

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they get a small reward, and when the whole board is full,

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they get a larger reward.

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Yeah, we want to make sure that practice doesn't start

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feeling like a punishment. Another thing that I like to do

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with my students was to time them. I would say something

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like, okay, yesterday, it took two minutes and 28 seconds for

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everyone to get their notebooks put away and come to the rug. I

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think we can do it faster. Can we do it in two minutes? Kids

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love racing. And the nice thing about this is that it can

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motivate them to kind of push each other to move more quickly,

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so you're not the one having to, you know, nudge them along.

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Let's let that positive peer pressure work in your favor.

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If you are doing whole class rewards for practicing

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routines or anything else, don't let a few kids ruin it for

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everyone. If you've got one or two little ones with some

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special behavior challenges, like maybe they'll go slow on

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purpose, just because everyone else wants them to hurry, then

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you can just kind of take them out of the equation.

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Right. If all but your two most challenging darlings

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are at the carpet, count that as a win. Way to hustle, everyone,

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you made it to the carpet in one minute and 58 seconds. And then

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when someone raises their hand to point out that Dimitri still

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isn't at the carpet, just make it a non issue. You know what,

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you worry about you and I will worry about Dimitri.

Emily:

Yeah, especially because getting attention for it is

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probably exactly what Dimitri wants. And it's just a good

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reminder that most of our management plans will work for

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most of our kids most of the time. So put your focus there.

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You can set up a personalized plan for Dimitri at a different

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time, but it will only make things worse if we turn him into

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the class scapegoat. That's not good for anyone.

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And besides making routine practice fun, you can

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also reinforce your expectations by turning it over to the

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students. Try assigning helpers for routine checks. Have a

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materials monitor who reminds classmates about getting their

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pencils, or a line leader who models proper hallway behavior.

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That's nice, because then you're not having to oversee

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everything that happens. And when routines start to slide,

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because they will, especially after a long weekend or a

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holiday, go back to practicing them just like a sports team

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runs drills.

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Don't feel like you have failed if you need to reteach a

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routine. This is something honestly that I struggled with.

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I used to see this as a failure as a teacher, but it is just a

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predictable part of dealing with kids. They need repetition, and

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sometimes you need to refresh those neural pathways to get

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everyone back on track.

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Now you likely have dozens of routines needed to

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make your classroom run, but it's important that you're

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putting a lot of time and energy into streamlining what we call

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the core four, and these are the routines that truly make or

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break your school day.

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And if you have taught before, you can probably guess

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what these are, but they are a calm morning start, orderly

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hallway movement, controlled transitions, and efficient end

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of day routines. If you can master these four, everything

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else in your day becomes so much easier.

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So let's walk through what it looks like to anchor,

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expand and reinforce our core four routines. And we'll kick

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things off with a calm morning start.

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For your morning routine, your anchor might be getting the

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backpack procedure down. Once that's solid, you expand it with

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lunch choice, then getting materials, then starting morning

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work. Each step gets taught and practiced separately before you

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try to link them.

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When it comes to reinforcing your morning

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routine, visual supports are your best friend. Post the steps

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of each routine where students can reference them, or where you

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can send students to check if they've forgotten something.

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Yeah, you definitely want to outsource the work of keeping

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kids on track as much as possible. So let a display help

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you out. You could make a chart or project slides each morning

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with the steps that you want students to follow. I was very

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analog. I used sentence strips and magnets to put them on my

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board because I didn't want to have to write it out every day.

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Yep, I did the same thing, and it definitely does

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not need to be fancy. So just make sure you're posting them

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where kids can see them every single day, even in the middle

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of May, and that they're going to know exactly where to look

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each time. It's always going to be in the same place.

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And if they ask you what they're supposed to be doing,

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point them to the display, so they get in the habit of

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checking that instead of turning to you for the answers.

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Exactly.

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Morning routines have to run without much teacher input

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because you're busy handling your own routine of getting the

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day started. Those posted steps give kids a way to stay on track

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without needing you to prompt every single thing.

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If you want a deeper dive, maybe the deepest of

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dives, on morning routines, check out our three part Morning

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Routine series, which is in episodes 93, 94 and 95 where we

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talk about how to set up your own morning routines, as well as

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your students.

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For the next in our core four routines is hallway

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movement, and you might anchor this one with the signal to line

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up. Then you can expand to walking without talking, then

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how to walk while you're carrying supplies, and then what

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to do when you arrive at your destination.

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Reinforcing your hallway routine can be a lot of fun. So

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try announcing that you've chosen a mystery walker. If this

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student remembers your procedures as you travel to your

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destination, they'll get a prize, and it's easier to watch

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this if you like our strategy for walking at the back of your

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class instead of at the front.

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That does make it simpler, or you can get real

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good at walking backwards.

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Yes, you know, both are good skills to have.

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The prize for the mystery walker can be as simple as a

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high five or a sticker. It's the mystery of it all, not the prize

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that is going to be most influential on getting your

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students to meet your expectations. And another fun

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idea is called line freeze. Ashley from Rainbow Skies for

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Teachers, shared this with us back in episode 120.

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Oh, and you should definitely go back and listen to

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that so you can hear it in her delightful Australian accent.

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But basically it's a bit like red light, green light. You lead

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your line down the hall normally at the front of the line, but

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every once in a while, you flip around and look at the kids.

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Their goal is to freeze in place as soon as you turn.

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That is a really fun game, and it's perfect for the

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hallway because it can be done silently. Ashley says that she

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has done it with kids from kindergarten to sixth grade, and

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that they all enjoy it. So give that one a try if you want to

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add a little whimsy to your hallway routine.

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And go back to check out episode 89 if you want even more

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hallway tips.

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But for now, let's look at how to handle your transition

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routines. A good place to start here is by anchoring your

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attention signal. When that's solid, expand into listening for

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all the directions before they start moving, cleaning up

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workspaces, then getting materials for the next activity,

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and then transitioning to the new location quickly.

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And we did another three part deep, deep dive in episodes

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48, 49 and 50. This one happened to be on transitions this time

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because, as you may have noticed, they are tricky, and

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they can eat up a lot of your learning time. So revisit those

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episodes, and also check out episode 160 if you want tips for

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our final core routine, dismissal.

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This one is hard because you are so tired by this point

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in the day. So do what you can to automate this routine as much

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as possible. You could anchor it with your procedure for tidying

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up desks, then expand to getting take home materials, then

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packing backpacks and then getting ready for dismissal.

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The end of the day is a great time to add in some

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student ownership as reinforcement. Besides regular

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class jobs like sharpening pencils, you can assign students

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to hand out papers, pass out lunch boxes, check that everyone

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cleaned under their desk, and really, anything else that the

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kids are capable of doing, make them do it.

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For sure, don't take it on yourself to do all of the

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work. And the beauty of this approach is that once these

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routines are solid, your classroom really does start to

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run like clockwork.

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Now this does take a lot of time and energy and

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intention. I want to be clear about that, because we know how

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much work this is, but we promise solid routines are worth

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it, even if they're not your favorite thing to teach.

Emily:

I know, no one goes into teaching because they love

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procedures. Although maybe we do. Do we? We talk about them a

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lot, maybe we do.

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I didn't start out loving procedures, like, I got there

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once I saw what they could do for me.

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That's I was gonna say. I think we love procedures because

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we love what they give you as a teacher. And obviously, no

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student says their favorite part of school is your efficient

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dismissal routine.

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But it would be nice if they pointed that out. But it's

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procedures and the routines that they create that are going to

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make the good parts of teaching, the stuff you like, possible.

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They enable you to be the kind of teacher you want to be.

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They're what create consistency so students feel safe and know

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what to expect. They prevent problems by minimizing

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opportunities for kids to test your limits, and they free you

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up to focus on your students instead of logistics.

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So let's wrap up with a quick recap of how to turn

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procedures into routines that stick. First, anchor your

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routine to one solid procedure that's already working well,

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then expand by adding one procedure at a time until you've

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built the full sequence. Finally, reinforce the routine

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as a whole, not just the individual steps.

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Focus on your core four routines—morning start, hallway

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movement, classroom transitions, and end of day. These make or

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break your classroom flow. So look for opportunities to

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reinforce your expectations, so students will want to meet them.

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And remember that this will take time. Plan on at least

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two weeks for the basic structures to stick, but there

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will still be a period of watching and reinforcing before

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it becomes truly automatic.

Heidi:

And we would love to hear how you're building routines

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this year. Come join the conversation in our Teacher

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Approved Facebook group.

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Now for our Teacher Approved Tip of the Week, where

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we share an actionable tip to help you elevate what matters

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and simplify the rest. This week's teacher approved tip is

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to create your own routines. So tell us about this, Heidi.

Heidi:

Well, have you ever noticed how satisfying it is

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when your own personal routines just click? Like when you

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develop that evening routine where you prep everything for

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the next day, and then morning you feels like you have gained a

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superpower. Well, let's lean into that. This week, pick one

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routine in your personal life that's feeling a little chaotic

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and apply the same anchoring, expanding and reinforcing

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approach we talked about today.

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So maybe that'll be your after school routine, or your

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Sunday meal prep, or even just how you unwind in the evening.

Emily:

Start with one solid step that's already working and then build

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from there.

Heidi:

And we did talk about teacher morning routines as part

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of our morning routine deep dive. So the ones that focus on

Heidi:

teachers specifically are episodes 93, which is your

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getting out the door morning routine, and episode 94 that's

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like, once you get to school morning routine. So definitely

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check those out. And just like with your students, give

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yourself time to practice and adjust. Those neuronal pathways

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need repetition at home, too.

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The best part is that when your personal routines are

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running smoothly, you'll have more mental energy for all of

Emily:

the amazing teaching you want to do.

Heidi:

All right, to wrap up the show, we're sharing what we're

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giving extra credit to this week. Emily, what gets your

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extra credit?

Emily:

I'm giving us credit to the Good Hang podcast with Amy

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Poehler. Have you listened to this, Heidi?

Heidi:

I haven't. It keeps showing up in my feed, so I've

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been meaning to, I just haven't had a chance yet.

Emily:

Same, and I just barely started listening a couple days

Emily:

ago, and it has exceeded my expectations. I think Amy might

Emily:

have been born to be a podcaster, not an actress. I

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like her as an actress, too, to be clear.

Heidi:

I keep getting ads for her master class on improv, and

Heidi:

she's so delightful. I keep thinking, do I need to take a

Heidi:

master class on improv? I don't want to do improv, but she's so

Heidi:

fun.

Emily:

Be worth it to hang out with Amy. And usually I don't

Emily:

care to watch video podcasts. I just want to listen to a

Emily:

podcast. But I got fed one of these on YouTube, and I was

Emily:

like, Oh, this is so fun. And so now I just kind of have it on in

Emily:

the corner while I'm working the last few days, and it's been so

Emily:

fun. And seriously, every episode is genuinely a good

Emily:

hang. And one thing I love that she does is at the beginning of

Emily:

each episode, she does a video chat with someone she knows who

Emily:

also knows her guest for the episode, and then they say good

Emily:

things about the guests behind their backs.

Heidi:

That is so fun!

Emily:

It's so cute. So like, before she talked to Andy

Emily:

Samberg, she called Seth Meyers, and they talked about him, and

Emily:

like, how they got to know him and what they love about him.

Emily:

And then Seth, like, gave her an idea for a joke to play on Andy.

Emily:

And it was just fun. It was so cute.

Heidi:

That's such a fun way to introduce a guest.

Emily:

I know, it just felt so, it's just wholesome and fun, and

Emily:

it just makes me smile. So if you need a mood booster, check

Emily:

out the Good Hang podcast.

Heidi:

Well, I'll definitely have to try that out, because

Heidi:

I'm going to be working for quite a while today.

Emily:

Yeah, pull it up. Start with the Adam Scott episode,

Emily:

because you're a Parks and Rec-er. So start with that one,

Emily:

even though you haven't watched Severance, so you won't get all

Emily:

the Severance talk, it's still worth it to hear them talk about

Emily:

Ben and Leslie is just so cute.

Heidi:

They're so good. I do love that. Okay, I'll definitely

Heidi:

have to check that out.

Emily:

Okay, let me know what you think. What's getting your

Emily:

extra credit?

Heidi:

Well, I'm giving extra credit to the Lady Stacks

Heidi:

Ultimate Book Tracker.

Emily:

Ooh, it sounds fancy.

Heidi:

Now, I haven't been someone who keeps track of my

Heidi:

reading, because when I tried, I would get too caught up on how

Heidi:

much or how little I was reading, and then it would start

Heidi:

to feel like a chore, or that I was being graded and I was

Heidi:

failing somehow. So I had to stop doing that. But I kept

Heidi:

seeing ads. I'm so susceptible for ads, apparently.

Emily:

Apparently.

Heidi:

But I kept getting ads for this digital reading

Heidi:

tracker. And 100% I have to say, I only bought it because I was

Heidi:

trying to figure out how this person, Lady Stacks, how she

Heidi:

managed to get the images to work well in Google Sheets,

Heidi:

because it's a whole, you get a whole little like library image,

Heidi:

but it's all in Google Sheets. And I have to say, I could not

Heidi:

figure it out, because those tabs are locked.

Emily:

Oh, dang it.

Heidi:

But it turns out that it has been fun to play around with

Heidi:

just putting in my own reading. So what you do is you type your

Heidi:

book titles on one tab and then a little book is added to your

Heidi:

cute library picture on the next tab.

Emily:

Oh, cute.

Heidi:

It's very satisfying. I love seeing my little library

Heidi:

grow, and there's lots of info, like page totals and graphs. I

Heidi:

haven't been on story graph because I know a lot of people

Heidi:

use that instead of good reads, so I think it might be similar

Heidi:

to that. But I don't know that you get to make a cute library

Heidi:

in story graphs.

Emily:

I bet not. And I the reason I haven't switched to

Emily:

story graph is I don't think it's free, and I don't want to

Emily:

pay.

Heidi:

Oh, that's annoying.

Emily:

Well, not, I'll pay for something. I just don't want to

Emily:

pay continuously for a tool. I could be wrong, though. The

Emily:

people listening may be like, No, it's, you don't have to pay

Emily:

for it. I have no idea. I should have probably checked that

Emily:

before I made that statement, but it sticks in my head that

Emily:

that's why I didn't switch over, was like, Oh, I don't want to

Emily:

pay for it.

Heidi:

That's good to know. Well, I did have to pay for the

Heidi:

book tracker, but it has been fun. I thought, Oh, I could make

Heidi:

a new sheet for each year and have my little library just

Heidi:

built up, so.

Emily:

That's so cute. I'm definitely gonna check it out. I

Emily:

do use Goodreads, but there isn't an easy, satisfying way

Emily:

to, like, see everything you've read. It's kind of utilitarian.

Emily:

And I also get stressed out in Goodreads about the reviews,

Emily:

because I feel I overthink the stars, because sometimes, well,

Emily:

I really enjoyed this. So it's like a four star, but really

Emily:

it's the writing's not that great, the story's not that

Emily:

great. It's probably more like a three star, but I liked it. So,

Emily:

you know, I just spend too much effort on that. Plus, I feel so

Emily:

guilty ever giving anybody.

Heidi:

I know it's hard.

Emily:

Like, less than, yeah, I feel bad every time I give even

Emily:

a three star. I'm like, Oh, I'm such a jerk. So.

Heidi:

Well, now you can rate lowly in private. No one will

Heidi:

ever see it.

Emily:

There we go. Okay, I'll check it out.

Heidi:

And there's a link in the show notes if anyone else wants

Heidi:

to check it out.

Heidi:

That's it for today's episode. Remember our three steps for

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connecting your individual procedures into smooth running

Heidi:

classroom routines, and then you can try out those same steps to

Heidi:

your own routines.

Heidi:

We hope you enjoyed this episode of Teacher Approved. I'm Heidi.

Emily:

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Heidi:

Bye for now.

Emily:

Bye.