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welcome to Talk With History.

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I'm your host Scott here with my wife and historian, Jen.

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Hello.

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Today's podcast is the first in a brand new series we are

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calling Watch with History.

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The Watch with history series will focus on your favorite historical

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films where Jen and I will review the Hollywood historic classics

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we all know and love, while also discussing the history behind these.

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Films along with some interesting facts.

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We hope you enjoy watch with history.

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Here we go.

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Now Jen, the first watch with History episode is leading off with

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the man himself, one of your favorites.

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Yes.

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And Mr.

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John Wayne and one of one of his more popular movies.

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Yes, and it is.

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It is True Grit.

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So what we are actually doing today, we're covering today, is the 1969.

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I'm calling it the Old True Grit versus the 2010.

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New true grit.

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So there's two, it was made twice.

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Yes.

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And we'll get into the details and everything else surrounding it.

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But let's start off with the 1969 True Grit.

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Okay.

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Says Life Magazine true grit is good enough for me.

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It's good enough for you.

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And if it isn't good enough for some movie company, then the free enterprise

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system is really going to help.

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Hold on God.

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They tell me you're a man with true grit.

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What do you want?

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Speak up.

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Roy Wrinkle the paper.

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It's pretty loose because your makings are too dry.

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I'm looking for Tom Cheney.

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Who is he?

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He's the man that shot and killed my father.

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Frank Ross says The New York Times as touching as it is, irreverently amusing.

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Marshall Luster.

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Cogburn and I are going after the murderer.

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Tom Cheney.

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How did you light on that greasy vaon?

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They say he has grit.

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He's a notorious thumper.

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He's not a man I would care to share a bed with, nor would I.

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And now Paramount Pictures presents the Hal Wallace production True Grit,

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starring John Wayne as Rooster Cockburn, the most colorful

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character he's ever played.

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If I smelled as bad as you, I wouldn't live near people.

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Kim Derby as Matt Ross.

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Hey here.

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Bye.

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God.

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C reminds me of me, Glenn Campbell, in his first big screen roll A

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little earlier I gaz some thought to stealing a kiss from you.

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Although you are very young and you're unattractive to boot, but

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now I'm of a mind to give you five or six good licks with my belt.

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True Grit was originally a book that was written by Charles Portis in 1968

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with the movie adaptation with John Wayne being released just a year later in 1969.

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The book is known for its humorous and colorful characters, as well

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as its depiction of the rugged and violent American West.

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Now, the original True Grit released in 1969 was directed by Henry Hathaway

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and it Star John Wayne, Kim Darby, Glenn Campbell, who will talk a

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little bit about and actually features featured a very young Dennis Hopper.

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The film was based on the novel and tells a story of a young girl, Maddie Ross.

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Seeking revenge for her father's murder.

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With the help of the gruff US Marshall Rooster Cogburn along the way, they are

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joined by a Texas Ranger named LeBeouf.

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Who's also hunting the same man for a different crime Now, the original True

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Grit was a box off of success earning just over 31 million domestically

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in its initial release, which was a significant amount of money back in

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19 60, 69, adjusted for inflation.

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That would be the equivalent of about 230 million in 2023.

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Wow.

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That's a good.

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And it actually only cost about 3 million to make back then.

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Yeah, you can see that so they did pre it did pretty well.

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Now this classic Western was nominated for four Academy Awards, including Best

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Picture, best Actor for John Wayne.

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Best supporting Actor for Dennis Hopper.

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And best music score.

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John Wayne won the Oscar for best actor for his role as Rooster Cogburn, which

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was his first and only Academy Award win.

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Inside is one of the following names, all of whom have been nominated

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for the best performance by an actor.

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Peter O'Toole in Goodbye, Mr.

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Chips.

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Dustin Hoffman in Midnight Cowboy, John Hoyt in Midnight Cowboy, Richard

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Burton in Anne of the Thousand Days and John Wayne in True Grit.

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I'm not gonna tell you the winner is.

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John Wayne.

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Wow.

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I've known that I'd have put that patch on 35 years earlier.

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So Jen, can you, before you tell us what you think of this movie, cuz

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we can tell that you already enjoy it just by the glow coming off of you.

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Can you give us a little bit of the, the historical setting

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of when this movie was set?

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Sure.

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When they talk.

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About her and her father in the West.

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And then when Cogburn meets the buff for the first time, they ask

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of what did you do in the war?

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Yeah.

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Where were you in the war?

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That's a very significant thing at that time in the 1880s to be asking

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people, cuz everyone fought in the Civil War, and of course he's from Texas,

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so of course he's asking what side he is on Texas as a Confederate state.

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Yeah.

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But parts of Texas fought for the North, so he's asking, he wants

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to just know where his allegiance lies, and they both talk about.

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Who they fought for.

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Yeah.

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More than what their leaders.

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It comes up a couple times.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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So we're in the 20 years after the Civil War when the West is really being settled.

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It's

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The late 1870s, early 1880s.

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Yes.

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1880s, right around that time.

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And

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it's taking place, Fort Smith, Arkansas.

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Yep.

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So this is, Western expansion.

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Yeah.

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Then Oklahoma, I think

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we need, so they're gonna venture into Oklahoma, which is very much

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territories, American Indian territory.

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And that is why it's so significant that Rooster Cogburn is a Marshall Yeah.

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A US Marshall and La Beef is a Ranger.

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So the law is very much getting useful at this time, the kind

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of writing the law at this time.

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How do you govern a lawless wilderness

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area?

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Yeah.

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In the, it seems like at this time in the more populated areas that kind of.

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For lack of a better word, that civil contract between the people and the

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law and the government is solidifying.

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Yes.

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Sworn this morning, you're still sworn take the stand.

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Defense will cross examine.

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Mr.

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Cogburn, you testified for the prosecution this morning.

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Now, in order to refresh our memories, Allow me to summarize what you said.

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Now, according to your story, CC Wharton grabbed up a shotgun and killed

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Marshall Padlet, and then he turned the gun on you, you say, and you shot him.

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Then you say the father swung his axe and you shot him too.

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The defendant here tried to run, you say, and you also shot him, just winged

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him, or he wouldn't be here to pay up the old man and CC hit the ground dead.

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How long have you been a Deputy Marshall, Mr.

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Cogburn?

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Four years.

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Come March.

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How many men have you shot in that time?

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The prosecution objects overruled.

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How many men have you shot since you became a marshal?

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Mr.

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Cogburn?

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I never shot nobody.

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I didn't have to.

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That was not the question.

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How many, uh, Shot or killed.

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Oh, let's restricted to killed.

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So we may have a manageable figure.

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Well, 12 to 15.

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Stopping men in flight and defending myself.

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12 to 15.

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So many that you cannot keep a specific count.

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But there is still these just like wild west areas, outlaws.

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And that's where Rooster Cogburn and Maddie Ross.

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She picks him because he, I think she, I'm pretty sure she picks

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him and I don't think she's not.

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She doesn't really hide it because he's more likely To shoot the guy.

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Yes.

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To kill the guy that she's after.

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Yeah.

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And go after the person.

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So Maddie, if you realize She's very dictated.

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Yeah, she's very much following rule of law lawyer.

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Yeah.

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She brings up her in the original, the 1969 version.

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She brings up the lawyer a lot

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I will not be pushed about when I'm in the right.

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I'll take it up with my attorney now.

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I will take it up with mine, lawyer Dagget and he will make money.

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And I will make money and your lawyer will make money and you, Mr.

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licensed auctioneer You will foot the bill.

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You are damn nuisance Lawyer.

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Dagget lawyer Dagget, who is this famous pleader, whose name I was

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happily ignorant of 10 minutes ago?

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In the West.

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Yes.

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We're trying to adhere to a territory.

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We're trying to adhere to a federal system where the judge has a jury and we bring

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people in, but it's still very loose.

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Yeah.

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People are getting killed and interfacing.

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That's what Rooster Cogburn is known for, is he doesn't really bring people

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in as much as he just kills them.

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That's, so that's

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the court case.

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That's the court case.

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So that's the court case and one of the things.

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And we'll just dive into kind of how we felt and what we thought, through

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the movie for the 1969 version.

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But John Wayne played much more of a character to me Yes.

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In this he played to me, and I've been watching a bunch of John Wayne movies

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recently, so that's a future watch with this history episode coming up.

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But he played, more, a little bit more comedic role.

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You are a lot of trouble.

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Wait till I finish this hand.

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You can never tell what's in the Chinaman's mind.

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That's the way he best yet.

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Cards

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I go.

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Mr.

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Rat, I have a writ here, says to stop eating Chan's corn meal fourth with

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now it's a rat writ rit for a rat, and this is lawful service of same.

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See, doesn't pay any attention to me

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outside is place for shooting.

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I'm serving some papers.

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But he played that out.

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He was a little bit more of an out.

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Outward expressive character.

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Yes.

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This kind of drunk, gruff.

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Yes.

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Western, like probably an outlaw in some states, and then now he's a US Marshall.

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So it's very much like you're very much skirting the letter of the law.

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Yeah.

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And that's why Rooster Cogburn knows what she's talking about with the

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lawyer and stuff, but he's also laughing at her like, I, that's great.

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That's not gonna work here.

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Did you think that someone's gonna.

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Care about your lawyer, but that's not gonna work here.

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And you're also dealing with a lot of other stereotypes.

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He lives with an Asian man, Yep.

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Which, the Asian people had come over to help dig the railroad Yep.

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And start the railroad.

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So it's very much these stereotypes

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that he's, and he I loved the cat.

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Yeah.

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He called the cat.

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Like the general the general.

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So he's sleeping in like the back of this, this China man's shop.

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Yeah.

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That's where he lives, that's where he lives, in this.

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In this town and he plays cards and drinks with the China man.

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And then he calls the cat the general, and that's just what he does.

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He goes after bad guys and drinks.

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Then one of the first things she does when she gets to Fort

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Smith, which is like the city close to her, is as a hanging.

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Yeah.

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As a public hanging.

Scott:

So that was interesting to me and.

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When I watched the 69 version, my first thought was like, oh my gosh,

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was that what it was really like?

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Was did, so did people, if you haven't seen the 1969 version in quite some

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time, They, she comes into town and she's trying to see the coroner and

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they're like coroner's out at the hanging because he's expecting three more bodies.

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And these bodies that are about to be hung.

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And the whole town's out there, the whole town.

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People had come into town for this hanging people, selling kids.

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Kids were penis playing kids.

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People were selling peanuts.

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They were singing hymns.

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So is that relatively accurate at the time?

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That's fairly really accurate.

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Yeah.

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That cause that's entertainment That surprised me and I don't know, it's

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just because I've never really watched movies like this, but that was one of the

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things I remember jotting that down was like, is that what it was really like?

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So

Jenn:

I thought that was very, if it was public, and you still are getting public

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hangings in the 1880s until prisons.

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Are really made.

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Yeah.

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And when executions will happen inside a prison it will be public until.

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That happens.

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So you're getting in those, in these territories, in these settled

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territories where they're holding court.

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And it is one of those things where you're found guilty and

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you're walked outside and hanged.

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It's not where you have this stay of execution and you're

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waiting and it's none of that.

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It's just like you're found guilty and now you have to hang.

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It's very expedient.

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Cause they don't have the time or the resources to hold people.

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Yeah, there's no giant.

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Federal prisons and all that stuff.

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They're like, okay, you're guilty.

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You're gonna go hang.

Jenn:

Yes.

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And so she sees that right away.

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She sees Rooster, Cogburn testify.

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He's very truthful.

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Yeah.

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Even in his shortcomings.

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He's very truthful.

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Yeah.

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He's very colorful.

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And he entertains her and he listens to her.

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And and he also, I think, recognizes.

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Who the bad guy is or who he might be

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running with, who might be running with it's like

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something Pepper, Ned Pepper.

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Yeah.

Jenn:

Ned Pepper.

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So he knows, he recognizes the guy.

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He's oh, he's probably, he probably linked up, or I think she tells him,

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yeah, that she heard that he linked up with Ned Pepper and he is oh, Ned Pepper.

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I know that guy.

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And then he knows

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he'll go to Indian territory, which he then he knows as a Marshall.

Jenn:

You're the only one who has jurisdiction Yeah.

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Of her Indian territory.

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So he's willing to go in there and look for him because she's paying cash.

Jenn:

Yeah.

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Too.

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Which they don't make that much money.

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I think it's $2 a ahead per person.

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Yeah.

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And I, and he's paying, I enjoyed dollars.

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I enjoyed in the original, even though her character, I think we both agree that the

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twenty ten one, that the girl was a better actor, but the better actor and younger

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the 69 1, the dialogue I felt was actually good and a little bit more believable.

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She was very aggressive, very, just like you could tell.

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It used to be her father running the house.

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And now it was her.

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Yes.

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And you could absolutely see this 14 year old girl running a household.

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They are all for sale, except those, uh, four scrubby

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ones and, uh, who they belong to.

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The heirs of the late Frank Ross.

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I'm Maddie Ross and I'd like to sell you back those ponies that my father bought.

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I fear that is outta the question.

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My father bought those ponies for breeding.

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Now I've looked at them and they're all geldings.

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You cannot breed geldings.

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Oh, that hardly concerns me.

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Your father bought four ponies and paid a hundred dollars for

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them, and there's an end of it.

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I want $300 for Papa Saddle Horse that was stolen from your barn.

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You'll have to take that up with the man who stole it.

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Tom Cheney stole it while it was in your care.

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You are responsible.

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I admire your son, but I'm not liable.

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I will take it to the law.

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Well, you must do us.

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You ain't best.

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We will see if a widow and three small children can get fair

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treatment in the courts of this city.

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She's dealing with the horse trader.

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She's very book smart and she's dealing with.

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Ru Cogburn.

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She dealt with LA beef.

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Yeah.

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At the Yes.

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At the she's

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talking to the lady at the boarding house.

Jenn:

Yep.

Jenn:

And so the boarding house is also very accurate.

Jenn:

What a boarding house would look like.

Jenn:

And shacking up her grandma.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Scott:

Everybody's sitting around the table.

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Sitting around the

Jenn:

table to eat.

Jenn:

Yep.

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And you pay for the meal Yeah.

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Of the evening.

Jenn:

So that is all accurate and well done.

Jenn:

I think, and that's what she meets LeBeouf.

Jenn:

Who's Glenn Campbell, who is a singer at the time.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

So I didn't realize that.

Jenn:

Yeah, he's not really an actor.

Jenn:

He's a singer and he's a pretty well-known country singer.

Jenn:

And they had gone after Elvis Presley I think when had read.

Jenn:

But Elvis wanted top boy, El Elvis's Management wanted

Jenn:

top billing over John Wayne.

Jenn:

And they're like, that ain't happening.

Jenn:

So it was John Wayne actually approached Glen Campbell.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

And asked him to be ated.

Jenn:

And Glen Campbell was like, yeah.

Jenn:

And I like Kim.

Jenn:

I think he does a fair job.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

I

Scott:

warmed up.

Scott:

I, for him, I feel like I warmed up to him.

Scott:

Eventually.

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And they played up in the 1969 version.

Scott:

A little bit more of a potential, not really romantic, but like she was

Scott:

like initially interested but then disgusted because he was just this

Scott:

Texas ranger who was talking down to her like she was a little girl.

Scott:

And then later on Yeah, she actually was like trying to care for him.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

And you could tell that she might.

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May have some feelings, and I think it was more just born out of the hardship

Scott:

that all three of them had gone through

Jenn:

together.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

And I actually like his character.

Jenn:

I like, I think Matt Damon plays him better in the 2010 version,

Jenn:

but I like that his character, I.

Jenn:

Dies in the 1969 version.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

A little more realistic because he dies, he saves them.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

And then he dies.

Jenn:

And he really he is also, I think, someone who has true grit.

Jenn:

Like he's showing that he doesn't he's all in and then he dies, and you get

Jenn:

the backstory that Rooster Cogburn goes back for his body, puts him in his full.

Jenn:

Ranger uniform takes him back to Texas and Leif's talking up about some girl,

Jenn:

some sweetheart that he has, and Rooster says, no sweetheart ever showed up.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

So there's more of that story that you get , in the 1969 version than in the 2010.

Jenn:

And I liked that too.

Jenn:

They're filmed in different areas as well.

Jenn:

They were the 1969 version is filmed in Colorado.

Jenn:

Okay.

Jenn:

And and then the, this version, the 20 10, 20 10 is New Mexico.

Jenn:

Okay?

Jenn:

So you get.

Jenn:

Different backdrops and scenery.

Jenn:

But I know the, what's interesting about the 1969 version, it is, it

Jenn:

comes out right after the book.

Jenn:

Yep.

Jenn:

And the book's a big deal.

Jenn:

And John Wayne loved the book.

Jenn:

And then the person who wrote the screenplay, he loved the screenplay.

Jenn:

Oh, okay.

Jenn:

And he.

Jenn:

He gunned for the part.

Jenn:

He wanted that part.

Jenn:

Oh, interesting.

Jenn:

And so when he finally did get the part, I think I told you this, he thinks one of

Jenn:

the best scenes ever written was the one where he's up on the mountain with Maddie

Jenn:

and they're talking about his past life.

Jenn:

. True Grit 1969: How'd you lose your eye?

Jenn:

I was in the war, the loan jack, little scrap outside of Kansas City.

Jenn:

What'd you do after the war?

Jenn:

I robbed me a federal paymaster and went to Cairo, Illinois and bought a eating

Jenn:

place there called the Green Frog.

Jenn:

Married a grass widow place, had a billard table.

Jenn:

You never told me you had a wife.

Jenn:

Oh, well I didn't have her long.

Jenn:

My friends was a pack of river rats and.

Jenn:

She didn't crave their so- society, so she up and left men, went back to

Jenn:

her first husband who was clerking in the hardware store in Paducah.

Jenn:

Goodbye Ruben.

Jenn:

She says, A love of decency does not abide in you.

Jenn:

That's a divorced woman talking for you about decency.

Jenn:

Well, I told her, I said, goodbye Nola.

Jenn:

And.

Jenn:

I hope that nail selling bastard makes you happy this time.

Jenn:

Did you have any children?

Jenn:

Hmm?

Jenn:

There was a boy, Nola taking him with her.

Jenn:

He never liked me anyway.

Jenn:

A clumsier child you'll never see than Horace.

Jenn:

I bet he broke 40 cup.

Jenn:

Never did get you for stealing that money.

Jenn:

I didn't consider it.

Jenn:

Stealing didn't belong to you.

Jenn:

I needed a road stake.

Jenn:

It was like that little high interest bank in New Mexico needed

Jenn:

a road stake, and there it was.

Jenn:

I never robbed no citizen taking a man's watch.

Jenn:

It's all stealing.

Jenn:

That's the position them new Mexicans took.

Jenn:

I had to flee for my life.

Jenn:

Suppose a young colt then, no horse could run him into the ground.

Jenn:

When that posse thinned out, uh, I turned old bo around and

Jenn:

taken them reins in my teeth.

Jenn:

I charged them boys firing two Navy six s.

Jenn:

They must have all been married men that loved their families cause

Jenn:

they scattered and run for a home.

Jenn:

With his ex-wife and his son, horse, and he's talks about his shortcomings.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

Basically.

Jenn:

And he thinks that's a great.

Jenn:

One of the best scenes ever written.

Jenn:

And so you see John Wayne really, making a character here and you

Jenn:

see the real humanization of him.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

And that's one of the things, again, having watched a fair amount of

Scott:

John Wayne movies recently, this was the first time that I saw,

Scott:

More backstory for his character.

Scott:

He's not just John Wayne, with a different name, who can knock out a

Scott:

guy in one punch and he's like the bigger, he's taller and bigger than

Scott:

everybody and tougher than everybody.

Scott:

Like he's talking about his deficiencies.

Scott:

His, like you said, his shortcomings.

Scott:

And that's what really.

Scott:

Builds a true character in a movie like this.

Scott:

Yes.

Scott:

And I think that's, that has to be one of the reasons that, aside from

Scott:

everything else the great lines and all some of the classic one liners

Scott:

that come out of it That's one of the things I think that really put, probably

Scott:

put him over the top for the Oscar.

Jenn:

And of course he has the best scene and he's gonna have the best

Jenn:

scene in this 1969 version and the 2010 version where it hits him against four.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

And that is by far Rooster Cogburn's best scene because it shows you how

Jenn:

brave this man is and just, is it stupid?

Jenn:

Is it brave or it's his job, but he doesn't back

Scott:

down.

Scott:

Farrell, you and your brother stand clear.

Scott:

I got no interest in you today.

Scott:

Stand clear and you won't get hurt.

Scott:

What's your intention?

Scott:

Do you think?

Scott:

One on four is a dog Fall.

Scott:

I mean to kill you in one minute, Ned, or see you hanged in Fort

Scott:

Smith at Judge Parker's convenience.

Scott:

Which will it be?

Scott:

I call that bull talk for a one eyed fat man.

Scott:

Fill your hand.

Scott:

You son of a bitch.

Scott:

They're too far.

Scott:

They're moving too fast.

Scott:

No grit Rooster Cogburn, not much.

, Scott:

and the interesting part is he talks about how he had done this before

, Scott:

with one on seven or something like that.

, Scott:

Yeah.

, Scott:

And he was just like, oh yeah, those men, this must have loved their wives because

, Scott:

they turn around and ran, and if you charge hard enough and they'll run away.

, Scott:

And so then all of a sudden at the, towards the end of the movie when, Katie

, Scott:

Ross's has been rescued and now it's him versus Ned Pepper and the other

, Scott:

in his gang, the other gang members.

, Scott:

Ned Pepper's sitting there oh, he's sitting there all cocky thinking, Mr.

, Scott:

Cogman's gonna turn around and run.

, Scott:

And he's what are you doing over there?

, Scott:

He's I am to kill you in about a minute.

, Scott:

And then you see Ned Pepper, just do this double take wait, what did he just say?

, Scott:

Yeah.

, Scott:

And then he just you realize he settles in to start getting ready for

, Scott:

a fight and he actually insults him.

, Scott:

He's look that's pretty big talk from a fat man with one eye.

, Scott:

Yeah.

, Scott:

And then he I've actually clipped this before he says, I

, Scott:

think he says, fill your hands.

, Scott:

You son of a bitch.

, Scott:

Yeah.

, Scott:

And

Jenn:

then he, so it's get your guns ready.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

He's like brave.

Jenn:

And I like, even before that, he tells the other people, I have no beef with you.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

So if you wanna leave, you should leave now.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

He was just going for Ned Pepper.

Jenn:

I'm just going for Ned Pepper.

Jenn:

So if you wanna stay, it's up to you, but I'm telling you, you can leave.

Jenn:

Yep.

Jenn:

And so I like that he's, it's very, brave.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

A stupid brave.

Jenn:

I don't know.

Jenn:

But so now they all stay, so it's four against one.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

And

Scott:

then he throws those reigns in his mouth.

Scott:

He just gets going and he going, he charges them.

Scott:

And it was, and they're watching it from up

Jenn:

high.

Jenn:

So the buff and Maddie are watching, is it Maddie?

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

Yeah, they're watching from up high and LA Buff is, has the

Jenn:

rifle, but he's not a great shot and they've already distinguished.

Jenn:

He's not a great shot.

Jenn:

He likes to shoot horses

Scott:

out for people.

Scott:

Yeah, he just says that like his carbine, can shoot someone from 300 yards.

Jenn:

John Wayne takes out everybody but Ned Pepper.

Jenn:

He wings him.

Jenn:

He wings him.

Jenn:

And he's basically, he knows he's a goner, but Rooster Cogburn, his horses

Jenn:

have been shut out from underneath him.

Jenn:

And the, he's landed on his leg and he can't, so he's not

Jenn:

shot, but he's incapacitated.

Jenn:

He can't reach his weapon.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

So Ned Pepper thinks it's gonna be an easy kill, and that's when

Jenn:

the buff is able to shoot him.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

Off the horse.

Jenn:

Just as he's getting ready to shoot

Scott:

John Wayne.

Jenn:

Just says he's gonna make to shoot John Wayne.

Jenn:

And then the bad guy with the mark on his face hits him on the head with a

Scott:

rock.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

Hits him on the head.

Scott:

And and that's when

Jenn:

Maddy falls

Scott:

into the snake pit.

Scott:

And the interesting thing is that in each of the movies and

Scott:

in 1969 you get Dennis Hopper.

Scott:

So he was actually nominated for the best supporting actor.

Scott:

That's

Jenn:

interesting.

Jenn:

Cuz Duval plays Ned Pepper.

Scott:

But Dennis Hopper's character dies earlier in the movie.

Scott:

Dies early.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

In the dugout.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

He has a

Jenn:

decent sized role.

Jenn:

He does.

Jenn:

And very dramatic.

Jenn:

Gets his fingers cut off.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

They show a lot more in the 2010 version.

Scott:

But the, so that, that was very interesting.

Scott:

And even seeing Robert Duvall, I was just pleasantly surprised because

Scott:

I wasn't expecting to see either of those, those well-known actors.

Scott:

And that was in their early days for them.

Scott:

This was towards the later end of John Wayne's career.

Scott:

But I really enjoyed.

Scott:

True grit.

Scott:

I enjoyed John Wayne's character

Jenn:

a lot.

Jenn:

I do too.

Scott:

And one of the things that I actually wrote down and I was saving this

Scott:

for the another watch with history we have planned, but I actually wrote down,

Scott:

because you assume Maddie says, When she first hires Rooster Cogburn, she says,

True Grit 1969 00:27:55

They tell me you're a man with true grit.

Scott:

And I actually wrote down about halfway, two-thirds

Scott:

of the way through the movie.

Scott:

I was like, maybe, I think she's actually the one with true grit.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

And that's what they're showing you.

Scott:

Nobody ever actually says that.

Scott:

Sure.

Scott:

But that's what they're showing you.

Scott:

Here's this 14 year old girl.

Scott:

You wanna talk about someone that's got true grit.

Scott:

She like jumps her horse in the water and swims it across the river.

Scott:

Yes.

Scott:

To Chase Rooster Cogburn and lab beef and all this stuff.

Scott:

She shoots Cheney.

Scott:

She shoots Cheney.

Scott:

And she keeps fighting back.

Scott:

And she's bitten by the snake.

Scott:

Bitten by the snake and, hangs in there.

Scott:

It was, Pretty, it was pretty

Jenn:

incredible.

Jenn:

It was pretty incredible.

Jenn:

And what you get, and I hope these are spoilers, if no

Jenn:

wouldn't have seen the movie.

Jenn:

So if you haven't seen it and you don't wanna hear these spoilers, turn this

Jenn:

off, but even at the end, both movies make a point that she's respectful.

Jenn:

He's made such an impact in her life that she wants him buried in her family

Jenn:

plot, in her family plot in both movies.

Jenn:

Do that.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

And I think that's significant to show that she thinks almost

Jenn:

like the shared hardship.

Jenn:

Like now he's family and she thinks of him as family.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

And in the end of the 1969 version John Wayne actually

Jenn:

makes that jump on that horse.

Jenn:

Trust you to buy another tall horse.

Jenn:

Yeah, he's not as game as Bob, but Stonehill says he

Jenn:

can jump a four rail fence.

Jenn:

You're too old.

Jenn:

Too fat to be jumping horses.

Jenn:

Well come see a fat old man sometime.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Scott:

Yeah, you told me that.

Scott:

I, that's pretty impressive.

Scott:

Cause I think he was like 60 and

Jenn:

he had already had the lung surgery, so he usually had a stunt double.

Jenn:

But this was his horse and this horse was young and it was a jumper

Jenn:

and they weren't sure if John Wayne was gonna do it in the last scene.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

And he actually did it.

Jenn:

And he's wait to say, come see an old Fatman sometimes.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

Could Fatman jump over a fence sometimes And then he just goes and does it.

Scott:

Does it?

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

It was, it's such a great scene.

Scott:

It was.

Scott:

It was pretty cool.

Scott:

We'll move on to the 2010 version here in just a second.

Scott:

But there's an interesting fact that I dug up.

Scott:

So there was actually a true grit television show made in the late 1970s.

Scott:

A show was called True Grit, A Further Adventure, and it

Scott:

aired for one season in 1978.

Scott:

The show starred Warren Oats as Rooster Cogburn and followed the

Scott:

character as he continued to work as a US Marshall and take on various

Scott:

cases across the American West.

Scott:

Now the show is not a success but it was based on the same characters and

Scott:

storylines from the novel and despite the popularity, it only did about 11 episodes.

Scott:

But a fun fact about Warren Oats, if you don't know that name, He so he played

Scott:

Rooster in this, in the TV show, but he went to later on to play the role

Scott:

of Sergeant Holka, the drill instructor in the 1981 Bill Murray Comedy Stripes.

Scott:

So it's the same actor.

Scott:

So just a fun little, like he was definitely working actor.

Scott:

He did a lot of stuff.

Scott:

Sure.

Scott:

But I looked him up and then looked up kind of some of the more popular

Scott:

movies he was in, and that's one that a lot of people in, including those

Scott:

who've seen or probably watching this.

Scott:

They've probably seen Bill Murray in

Jenn:

Stripes They Pro.

Jenn:

Oh, absolutely.

Jenn:

So I just think it's so cool.

Jenn:

I, we'll, we have a, we will talk about what I think is John Wayne's

Jenn:

best performance another time, but I do like this performance.

Jenn:

I do think this is a performance as well.

Jenn:

Like it does warm my heart that he did win an Oscar and he won it for this

Scott:

role.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

No, it was very good.

Scott:

I enjoyed the 1969 very version, very much.

Scott:

Now, the 2010 gr True Grit.

True Grit 2010 00:31:50

Mr.

True Grit 2010 00:31:50

Cogburn, in your four years as US Marshall, how many men

True Grit 2010 00:31:56

have you shot, shot or killed?

True Grit 2010 00:31:59

Let us restrict it to killed so that we may have a manageable figure.

True Grit 2010 00:32:10

Mr.

True Grit 2010 00:32:10

Cockburn, what do you want, bro?

True Grit 2010 00:32:12

I'm looking for the man who told my father man's name is, Tom Cheney

True Grit 2010 00:32:17

and I need somebody to go after him.

True Grit 2010 00:32:19

What's your name?

True Grit 2010 00:32:20

My name is Maddie Ross.

True Grit 2010 00:32:25

Are you some kind of law?

True Grit 2010 00:32:27

I'm a Texas Ranger.

True Grit 2010 00:32:30

I know Channey.

True Grit 2010 00:32:31

It is at least a two man job taking him alive.

True Grit 2010 00:32:35

Why car break?

True Grit 2010 00:32:38

Can we depart this afternoon?

True Grit 2010 00:32:40

We.

True Grit 2010 00:32:41

I'm going with you.

True Grit 2010 00:32:43

Congratulations.

True Grit 2010 00:32:44

You're graduating from Marauder to Wetters.

True Grit 2010 00:32:48

We're being followed.

True Grit 2010 00:32:50

Marshall,

True Grit 2010 00:32:54

you missed your shot.

True Grit 2010 00:32:55

Cockburn.

True Grit 2010 00:32:56

Best let this go.

True Grit 2010 00:32:57

I thought you were gonna say the sun was in your eyes.

True Grit 2010 00:32:59

That is to say.

True Grit 2010 00:33:01

Your eye.

True Grit 2010 00:33:03

You got a lot of experience with mounting hunters.

True Grit 2010 00:33:05

Steve, that is a silly question.

True Grit 2010 00:33:07

I am 14.

True Grit 2010 00:33:07

You can run home for a long time.

True Grit 2010 00:33:11

Time for you to go home.

True Grit 2010 00:33:12

I don't like you.

True Grit 2010 00:33:13

I will not go back.

True Grit 2010 00:33:14

Not without Cheney.

True Grit 2010 00:33:15

Dead or alive.

True Grit 2010 00:33:16

Leave.

True Grit 2010 00:33:16

You gotta cut you.

True Grit 2010 00:33:19

Downey's Here.

True Grit 2010 00:33:21

Help me Marshall.

True Grit 2010 00:33:25

Now what?

True Grit 2010 00:33:25

Cogburn them boys.

True Grit 2010 00:33:28

You don't think about the wrath that's about to set down on it.

True Grit 2010 00:33:34

And this gang a rough, not your father.

True Grit 2010 00:33:48

I will kill this girl.

True Grit 2010 00:33:50

The biggest mistake you ever made.

True Grit 2010 00:34:01

Help me.

True Grit 2010 00:34:02

I couldn't do nothing for you son.

Scott:

I.

Scott:

Is directed by the Cohen Brothers.

Scott:

It stars Jeff Bridges, Matt Damon and Haley Steinfeld and Josh Brolin.

Scott:

And Josh Brolin.

Scott:

He comes in a little bit later the movies a remake of the 1969 film

Scott:

of the same name, and we even get a lot of the same iconic lines between

Scott:

the characters as Matt Ross Rooster Cogburn, and the Texas Ranger.

Scott:

The beef travel through the Indian territory.

Scott:

They encounter similar obstacles and dangerous terrain, and

Scott:

the film culminates in the.

Scott:

Same classic showdown between Rooster Cogburn and the criminals he's pursuing.

Scott:

And Jeff Bridges even gives us the line that John Wayne made famous.

Scott:

Fill your hands, you son of a bitch.

Scott:

And charges straight towards the four outlaws with reins in his

Scott:

mouth and two guns firing away.

Scott:

Now this movie is a Tale of vengeance.

Scott:

Justice and the roughness of the American West and features,

Scott:

strong performances from its cast and beautiful cinematography.

Scott:

I did notice that very clearly in the 2010 version, the cinematography.

Scott:

I just loved some of those scenes.

Scott:

I think you could just literally turn into a picture.

Scott:

It was gorgeous.

Scott:

The.

Scott:

2010 release of True Grit was a surprise Cohen Brothers commercial

Scott:

success, and it grossed over 252 million at the box office.

Scott:

It was nominated for 10 Academy Awards.

Scott:

Wow.

Scott:

Including Best Picture, best Director for the Cohen Brothers

Scott:

Best adapted screenplay.

Scott:

Best actor for Jeff Bridges best supporting actress for Haley Steinfeld.

Scott:

The film also received nominations for best cinematography, sound

Scott:

editing, sound mixing, best costume design and best art direction.

Scott:

Wow.

Scott:

So it, they knocked out of the park on this one.

Scott:

And here's an interesting movie Critics fact for you.

Scott:

Jeff Bridges was nominated for playing Rooster Cogburn and the role that

Scott:

John Wayne won his Oscar for, and it's very rare for two actors to win

Scott:

an Oscar for the exact same role.

Scott:

Sure.

Scott:

It's, I can't name any off the top of my head.

Scott:

You might be able to, but Joaquin Phoenix, we'd have to, we'd have to look that up.

Scott:

And

Jenn:

Heath Ledger a Joker.

Scott:

But one year earlier, so this is the 2010 version,

Scott:

one year earlier in 2009.

Scott:

Bridges had actually just won for his first Oscar for the film Crazy Heart.

Scott:

Which was seen at the time as like a career kind of achievement award for him.

Scott:

Yet many critics felt that Bridge's role as Cogburn was

Scott:

actually the better performance.

Scott:

And if not for his , Oscar win a year earlier for Crazy Heart.

Scott:

, most critics believe he would've won it for True Grit as Rooster Cogburn.

Scott:

So I just thought that was very interesting.

Scott:

Interesting.

Scott:

Because, Jeff Bridges is phenomenal.

Scott:

He does play

Jenn:

it very well.

Jenn:

He does.

Jenn:

He plays a different booster.

Jenn:

Cogburn, like you said, not quite as humorous.

Jenn:

Yep.

Jenn:

He takes a little bit of the humor away, but he does play the same gritty ness

Jenn:

and I think what, and this was nominated for so many Oscars, I think westerns.

Jenn:

Really set themselves up to be shot beautifully cinematically.

Jenn:

Oh, a hundred percent.

Jenn:

Because you're on the raw western landscape and it's beautiful.

Jenn:

That is what draws people to the west.

Jenn:

That's what draws these cowboys and these rangers to live off the

Jenn:

land is that beauty of the land.

Jenn:

And so wait, if you can shoot that and shoot that.

Jenn:

It really is beautiful.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

There

Scott:

was just some amazing cinematic shots.

Scott:

One of the things that I actually noticed as I was watching the

Scott:

movie, I watched it today.

Scott:

But one of the things that I noticed while I was watching the movie and I, when I was

Scott:

doing some research online, they called it out as well, is a lot of Some of the

Scott:

characters are mirror opposites, so he actually wears the patch on the other eye.

Scott:

Ah, it's interesting.

Scott:

And so actually Cheney's character, right?

Scott:

So that was Brolin.

Scott:

He's his pet his scar is on the other cheek.

Scott:

His like Is his powder burn.

Scott:

Gunpowder burn.

Scott:

The gunpowder burn is actually on the other cheek.

Scott:

It's interesting.

Scott:

And so I think the Cohen brothers, what I read was they tried to stay

Scott:

a little bit more true to the book.

Jenn:

Sure.

Jenn:

Because she loses her arm in this one.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

She doesn't lose her arm in 1960 nine's version in this

Jenn:

version, she loses her arm.

Jenn:

And in both versions he stays with her until she's well, but she

Jenn:

sees him again right away in the 1969 version in the 2010 version.

Jenn:

She never sees him again.

Jenn:

She gets a letter from him.

Jenn:

She goes to visit and he's already

Scott:

passed.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

And also the thing that was different, and I assume this must be more accurate to the

Scott:

book, was they actually split up from Lae.

Scott:

Yes.

Scott:

He survives.

Scott:

They get into an argument actually pretty early on.

Scott:

Oh yes.

Scott:

Before they get out to the, get into the initial shootout with some of

Scott:

Ned Pepper's, gang, they split up and, so it's just him and Maddie.

Scott:

It's just Rooster and Matt for a little while until they get to that one place

Scott:

where the two outlaws kind of get killed.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

The deck out and peppers came, comes in later.

Scott:

They meet up with the beef and then they split up again.

Scott:

Yes.

Scott:

And he hears the gunshots, so that must be more accurate to the book.

Scott:

Whereas in the 1969 version, they basically stay together the entire time.

Scott:

Yeah, they do.

Scott:

So I thought that was interesting.

Scott:

And I, Matt Damon I liked Matt Damon as an as acting role.

Scott:

Yes.

Scott:

I think he did a great job.

True Grit 2010 00:39:01

He dallied in Monroe, Louisiana, and Pine Bluff, Arkansas

True Grit 2010 00:39:04

before turning up at your father's place.

True Grit 2010 00:39:07

Well, why did you not catch him in Pine Bluff, Arkansas or Monroe, Louisiana.

True Grit 2010 00:39:11

He's a crafty one.

True Grit 2010 00:39:13

I thought him slow witted myself.

True Grit 2010 00:39:16

That was his act.

True Grit 2010 00:39:18

That was a good one.

True Grit 2010 00:39:19

Are you some kind of law?

True Grit 2010 00:39:21

That's right.

True Grit 2010 00:39:25

I'm a Texas Ranger.

True Grit 2010 00:39:28

That may make you a big noise in that state.

True Grit 2010 00:39:31

In Arkansas, you should mind that your Texas trappings entitled Do

True Grit 2010 00:39:34

not Make you an object of Fun.

True Grit 2010 00:39:37

Why have you been?

True Grit 2010 00:39:38

I effectually pursuing Chaney.

True Grit 2010 00:39:41

He's shot and killed a state senator named Bibbs in Waco, Texas.

True Grit 2010 00:39:45

Bibbs family put out a reward.

True Grit 2010 00:39:47

Well, how came Channey to shoot a state senator?

True Grit 2010 00:39:49

My understanding is there was an argument about a dog, you know, anything

True Grit 2010 00:39:52

about the whereabouts of Cheney.

True Grit 2010 00:39:54

Oh, he's in the territory and I hold that little hope for you winning your bounty.

True Grit 2010 00:39:57

Why is that?

True Grit 2010 00:39:58

My man will beat you to it.

True Grit 2010 00:39:59

I've hired a Deputy Marshall, the toughest one they have.

True Grit 2010 00:40:02

Annie's familiar with the lucky net pepper gang.

True Grit 2010 00:40:04

They say Cheney's tied up with.

True Grit 2010 00:40:06

Well, I will throw in with you and your Marshall.

True Grit 2010 00:40:09

No, Marshall Cogburn and I are fine.

True Grit 2010 00:40:11

It'll be to our mutual advantage.

True Grit 2010 00:40:13

Your Marshall, I presume, knows the territory.

True Grit 2010 00:40:16

I know Cheney.

True Grit 2010 00:40:17

It is at least a two.

True Grit 2010 00:40:18

Man.

True Grit 2010 00:40:18

I've taken him alive.

True Grit 2010 00:40:20

When Chaney is taken, he's coming back to Fort Smith to hang.

True Grit 2010 00:40:23

I'm not having him go to Texas to hang for shooting some Senator.

True Grit 2010 00:40:26

It is not important where he hangs, is it?

True Grit 2010 00:40:29

It is to me.

True Grit 2010 00:40:30

Is it to you?

True Grit 2010 00:40:31

It means a great deal of money to me.

True Grit 2010 00:40:33

It's been many months work.

True Grit 2010 00:40:35

Oh, I'm sorry that you were paid.

True Grit 2010 00:40:36

Peace broken, not on wages and that you have been alluded

True Grit 2010 00:40:39

The winter long by half witch.

True Grit 2010 00:40:44

You give out very little sugar with your pronouncements.

True Grit 2010 00:40:47

While I sat there watching you, I gave some thought to stealing a kiss.

True Grit 2010 00:40:50

Though you are very young and sick and unattractive to boot, but now

True Grit 2010 00:40:54

I have a mind to give you five or six good licks with my belt.

True Grit 2010 00:40:58

Hmm.

True Grit 2010 00:40:59

Well, one would be as unpleasant as the other.

True Grit 2010 00:41:03

If you wet your comb might tame that cowlick.

Jenn:

It's difference between an actor and a singer.

Jenn:

Glenn Campbell was a singer.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

He's trying to act and he does a fair job.

Jenn:

But Mac Damon is an actor.

Jenn:

He's

Scott:

better.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

Matt Damon did a great job.

Scott:

And especially with, if you've ever seen these movies, if you haven't That

Scott:

Maddie, what she does esp, especially with Libi, is she's very quick witted.

Scott:

And so he keeps saying, it's oh, I was thinking about sneaking a kiss from

Scott:

you, but maybe instead I'll you bend you over my knee and give you a switch.

Scott:

And she's I think both would be just as miserable.

Scott:

And he just He's shocked.

Scott:

He's surprised.

Scott:

He's like, how does this 14 year old girl she just keeps giving it to him.

Scott:

She's very, and so eventually he just gets frustrated and he's

Scott:

okay, I'm not dealing with this.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

But so Matt Damon did a fantastic job as Lae.

Scott:

Yes.

Scott:

And

Jenn:

I think the 2010 version, like I said, there is some parts of it

Jenn:

that I think are more realistic.

Jenn:

There is a part in the dugout when the.

Jenn:

The brother is dying.

Jenn:

And Jeff Bridges stands over him and

True Grit 2010 00:42:06

Help me.

True Grit 2010 00:42:07

I couldn't do nothing for you son.

Jenn:

he's help me.

Jenn:

And he's I can do nothing for you.

Jenn:

John Wayne delivers that line you're standing on my foot.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

I can do nothing for you.

Jenn:

Where Jeff Bridges gives you more of a sense of you're dying.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

It's nothing I can do where I didn't really.

Jenn:

Get quite that same sentence from when John Wayne delivered the line.

Jenn:

So there is so much difference with inflection Sure.

Jenn:

And how people are setting up the scene, which I found very interesting.

Jenn:

And it's neat to see two really good actors play a very colorful

Jenn:

character like this in different ways.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

And I think that, I felt like Jeff Bridges actually played a little

Scott:

bit more of that person that was.

Scott:

Closer to the edge of what's legal and not

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

And he gets very drunk.

Jenn:

You don't see so much of that from John Wayne, except John Wayne gets drunk and

Jenn:

falls off the horse and says, we're gonna

Scott:

kill here.

Scott:

I actually wrote down John Wayne drank from very, he was drinking the whole time.

Scott:

Yes.

Scott:

Whereas Jeff Bridges was about halfway through the movie before his

Scott:

character actually started drinking.

Scott:

And they also goes on a huge bender in the 2010 version they introduced, this must

Scott:

have been in the book like some random.

Scott:

Doctor, like this wilderness Dr.

Scott:

Guy who's wearing like a big bur bare fur in the bare head.

True Grit 2010 00:43:30

You are not LeBeouf.

True Grit 2010 00:43:33

My name is Forrester.

True Grit 2010 00:43:36

Now, practice dentistry in the nation.

True Grit 2010 00:43:40

Also veterinary arts and medicine on those humans that will sit still for it.

True Grit 2010 00:43:49

They have your work cut out for you There.

True Grit 2010 00:43:53

Traded for him with an Indian who said he came by him.

True Grit 2010 00:43:57

Honestly, I gave up two dental mirrors and a bottle of expectorant.

True Grit 2010 00:44:06

Do either of you need.

True Grit 2010 00:44:08

Medical with attention.

True Grit 2010 00:44:10

No.

Scott:

Very strange, very random interaction, but that, that

Scott:

had to have been in the book.

Scott:

Sure.

Scott:

So that just really stuck out cause it was, they didn't have

Scott:

that in the first version at all.

Scott:

Yeah.

Jenn:

I do love the dialogue and I even love, I really

Jenn:

appreciate Maddie's dialogue.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

Like you said, she is very of the time.

Jenn:

She's using jargon of the time.

Jenn:

She's really legal eased and she's cri witted.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

And she's just very, she has a response for everything, and I

Jenn:

think that's another thing where Ned Pepper finds her a formidable.

Jenn:

A foe, I guess in a way when he meets her because Yeah she

Scott:

Earns respect pretty quickly.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

She

Jenn:

answers his question.

Jenn:

She's very

Scott:

forthcoming because cuz Ned Pepper doesn't really care about Cheney.

Scott:

Cheney just joined in with him.

Scott:

Yes.

Scott:

He's oh yeah, he shot that guy.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

He probably deserved it, right?

Scott:

He killed your dad.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

It's okay, yeah.

Scott:

I can tell you're holding your own, right?

Scott:

Don't hurt her.

Scott:

Yeah.

Jenn:

And she's my, my pistol misfired.

Jenn:

And he goes, yeah, they'll do that.

Jenn:

So he's very he's honest with her too.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

So I found it very interesting.

Jenn:

They still have the same guy who makes the animal sounds Yes.

Jenn:

Just showing you like, there's still crazy

Scott:

people.

Scott:

There's crazy.

Scott:

He's he sounds like a Turkey.

Scott:

Too thin rooster, too thin.

Scott:

You're your five minutes is running.

Scott:

No more talk.

Scott:

Get on up that hill.

Scott:

And then he's That was in the first movie too.

Scott:

Yeah, that was in the first movie too.

Scott:

And I think he died in, I think that character died in each of 'em.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

So

Jenn:

they, yeah.

Jenn:

They die in that fill your hands.

Jenn:

You son him a bitch.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

There's are other lines.

Jenn:

John Wayne makes this, the statement looking back is a bad habit.

True Grit 1969 00:45:52

They don't call him lucky Ned Pepper for nothing.

True Grit 1969 00:45:56

That man gave his life for him.

True Grit 1969 00:45:57

He didn't even look back.

True Grit 1969 00:45:59

Yeah, looking back is a bad habit.

Jenn:

So he doesn't say that

Scott:

In the second one.

Scott:

Does is second one.

Scott:

I didn't catch it.

Scott:

I was li I was listening for it, but that was, that's a pretty famous line.

Scott:

I think you have a shirt with that on it.

Scott:

Looking back as a bad habit I don't think Jeff Bridges had that line in there.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

But

Jenn:

so it's neat.

Jenn:

The snake bite.

Jenn:

Happens in both.

Jenn:

He rides the horse to its death in both.

Jenn:

He carries her to safety to the back of the house.

Jenn:

In both a little different when,

Scott:

And then, like you said earlier, the beef lives in the second one.

Scott:

In the 2010 version.

Scott:

So again, I assume that must be more like the book.

Scott:

Yes.

Jenn:

Although she says she hasn't seen him, she said he'd be well.

Jenn:

Into his 70 eighties.

Jenn:

By now, I would like to have a talk with him.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

So the end of the 2010 version, I actually appreciated seeing,

Scott:

she said it's 25 years later.

Scott:

I had the body removed to our plot and I have visited it over the years.

Scott:

No doubt.

Scott:

People talk about that.

Scott:

They say.

Scott:

Well, she hardly knew the man.

Scott:

Isn't she a cranky old maid?

Scott:

It is true.

Scott:

I have not married.

Scott:

I never had time to fool with it.

Scott:

I heard nothing more of the Texas officer LeBeouf.

Scott:

If he is yet alive, I would be pleased to hear from him.

Scott:

I judge he would be in his seventies now and nearer.

Scott:

80 than 70.

Scott:

I expect some of the starch has gone out of that cowlick.

Scott:

Time just gets away from us.

. Scott:

But I appreciated seeing her and her tracking down,

. Scott:

trying to track down Rooster

Jenn:

Cogburn.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

He sends her he's basically running with the Cole Younger,

Jenn:

kinda like a Buffalo Bill show.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

They're doing a Wild West show and the Cole Younger gang from Jesse James,

Jenn:

Frank James and the Cole Younger.

Jenn:

They're doing a show and they're very old men.

Jenn:

And Rooster Cogburn must have been part of their show.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

To some degree telling his.

Jenn:

Stories and he sends her a letter to come visit them in

Jenn:

Memphis, which is also very cool.

Jenn:

Cause we used to live in Memphis.

Jenn:

And when she gets there and she talks to, I think Mr.

Jenn:

Younger, he informs her that booster has died three

Scott:

the weeks earlier.

Scott:

No, it was like three days.

Jenn:

Oh, three days.

Jenn:

I know.

Jenn:

She must have been three days.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

And they buried him in Jonesboro, Arkansas.

Jenn:

And she has them dug up and brought back to her family, to

Scott:

her family plot.

Scott:

But for some reason I appreciated that ending a little bit.

Scott:

More.

Scott:

It was two very different endings.

Scott:

Two very different endings.

Scott:

The first one, the ending was Rooster Cogburn, jumping his horse over a fence,

Scott:

and you get that sense of oh, there he is off back, off into the wild west.

Scott:

And then the next one, You actually appreciate the closure?

Scott:

Yes.

Scott:

A little bit.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

Because, that he's gonna die in some random weird, alone.

Scott:

Alone.

Scott:

Like his character knows that.

Scott:

He knows that.

Scott:

That's him talking about his ex-wife and his.

Scott:

Son who was clumsy, kept, could never stay on a horse, and broke about 40 cups.

Scott:

Broke 40 cups.

Scott:

So there were differences between the 1969 and the 2010 version that I appreciated

Scott:

some things that I missed Yeah.

Scott:

In the 2010 that I enjoyed in the 1969.

Scott:

Like I said, I think overall to bring this.

Scott:

All back together.

Scott:

I enjoyed the character of John Wayne's Rooster Cog and a little

Scott:

bit more cause I liked the humor.

Scott:

It was, there was a little bit more humor in there and I just,

Scott:

me personally, I appreciated that.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

The cinematography into the 2010 version was gorgeous.

Scott:

It's not even a comparison to me.

Scott:

No.

Scott:

But Matt Damon's character I think was a little better in the second Maddie

Scott:

Ross, her, the actress the young lady.

Scott:

She was amazing.

Scott:

She's amazing.

Jenn:

And she's young.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

Where Kim Derby is not 14 years old.

Jenn:

In the 1969 version.

Jenn:

Okay.

Jenn:

So which one did you like better?

Scott:

Oh goodness.

Scott:

I would go with the 1969 version really?

Scott:

With the John Wayne version.

Scott:

I would go with that one just because I enjoyed that version of Rooster

Scott:

Cogburn and a little bit more.

Scott:

Yes.

Scott:

And John Wayne is just so iconic.

Scott:

In that role, with the lines that he gives.

Scott:

And I think the, to me, hid the lines when he gives those famous one-liners,

Scott:

they have a little bit more oomph to him.

Scott:

A little bit.

Scott:

More, a little more of a ring.

Scott:

If I was gonna go just from cinema, cinematography,

Scott:

videography, the 2010 version.

Scott:

Hands down.

Scott:

Yes.

Scott:

But I think I enjoyed the 1969 version a little bit more.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

I think same thing.

Jenn:

I enjoy the characters in the 1969 version a little bit more.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

As far as cinematography wardrobe, I do like 2010.

Jenn:

I like Ben Foster, I think a little bit more as Ned Pepper.

Jenn:

Oh yeah.

Jenn:

Than Robert Duvall.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

As well.

Jenn:

I'm a big Ben Foster fan.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

And I do like how rugged he looked.

Jenn:

Ugh.

Jenn:

As compared to, they, which they, when you saw his teeth and everything, which

Jenn:

they do a really good job, I think, in later westerns to show how hard

Jenn:

these men look living off the land.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

Like

Scott:

they do.

Scott:

Even Josh Brolin, who plays Cheney, his character, it's not a,

Scott:

he's a pivotal character, but he doesn't have a lot of screen time.

Scott:

Yes.

Scott:

But he plays this downbeat.

Scott:

Josh Brolin's a huge actor.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

He's downbeat.

Jenn:

He also seems very simple-minded as well.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

And the world is against him.

Jenn:

Everyone's against him.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

And so it shows you again, like these maybe cognitive limitations.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

That may people into the outlaws that they became.

Scott:

But yeah, I think overall I enjoyed the 1969 version a little bit more.

Scott:

If you haven't seen these movies I highly recommend both of them.

Scott:

Yeah, they're both very enjoyable.

Scott:

I do too.

Scott:

The John Wayne won.

Scott:

If you're a John Wayne fan, I'm guessing you probably clicked on this

Scott:

thumbnail to watch this video because you're a John Wayne or True Grit fan.

Scott:

So I'd be curious to hear what your guys' favorite version is, whether the

Scott:

1969 version of 2010, and maybe your thoughts on your favorite characters

Scott:

and why you like one over the other.

Scott:

Drop it in the comments below.

Scott:

Yeah.

Jenn:

Are your favorite lines from the movie?

Jenn:

Absolutely.

Scott:

I'd like to hear that too.

Scott:

Yeah, that'd be fun.

Scott:

So thank you for listening to our first ever watch with history segment.

Scott:

As we've discussed, true grit had a significant impact on our popular culture,

Scott:

particularly in the Western genre.

Scott:

It, even just the term true grit has a little bit more meaning just because

Scott:

of this film and it's been added.

Scott:

It's been adapted into multiple films, a television show, and I think I

Scott:

read somewhere, even a stage play.

Scott:

At its core, true Grit is a story about the pursuit of justice and revenge

Scott:

in a lawless and dangerous world.

Scott:

It explores the themes of determination, perseverance, and loyalty, as

Scott:

well as the human desire for redemption and a sense of purpose.

Scott:

As viewers, we get a peak into the historical context of the American

Scott:

Old West depicting a time of conflict and upheaval in the country's history.

Scott:

Through its portrayal of rugged landscapes, violent encounters in

Scott:

the pursuit of justice, true grit captures the spirit of the American

Scott:

frontier and its enduring mythology.

Scott:

So whether you're a fan of Westerns, John Wayne, or simply appreciate a

Scott:

great story, true Grit is a film that continues to captivate audiences and

Scott:

leave a lasting impact on us today.

Scott:

If you enjoyed this watch with history segment, please reach out

Scott:

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Scott:

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Scott:

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