welcome to Talk With History.
Scott:I'm your host Scott here with my wife and historian, Jen.
Scott:Hello.
Scott:Today's podcast is the first in a brand new series we are
Scott:calling Watch with History.
Scott:The Watch with history series will focus on your favorite historical
Scott:films where Jen and I will review the Hollywood historic classics
Scott:we all know and love, while also discussing the history behind these.
Scott:Films along with some interesting facts.
Scott:We hope you enjoy watch with history.
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Scott:Now Jen, the first watch with History episode is leading off with
Scott:the man himself, one of your favorites.
Scott:Yes.
Scott:And Mr.
Scott:John Wayne and one of one of his more popular movies.
Scott:Yes, and it is.
Scott:It is True Grit.
Scott:So what we are actually doing today, we're covering today, is the 1969.
Scott:I'm calling it the Old True Grit versus the 2010.
Scott:New true grit.
Scott:So there's two, it was made twice.
Scott:Yes.
Scott:And we'll get into the details and everything else surrounding it.
Scott:But let's start off with the 1969 True Grit.
Scott:Okay.
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Says Life Magazine true grit is good enough for me.
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It's good enough for you.
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And if it isn't good enough for some movie company, then the free enterprise
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system is really going to help.
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Hold on God.
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They tell me you're a man with true grit.
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What do you want?
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Speak up.
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Roy Wrinkle the paper.
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It's pretty loose because your makings are too dry.
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I'm looking for Tom Cheney.
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Who is he?
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He's the man that shot and killed my father.
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Frank Ross says The New York Times as touching as it is, irreverently amusing.
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Marshall Luster.
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Cogburn and I are going after the murderer.
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Tom Cheney.
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How did you light on that greasy vaon?
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They say he has grit.
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He's a notorious thumper.
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He's not a man I would care to share a bed with, nor would I.
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And now Paramount Pictures presents the Hal Wallace production True Grit,
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starring John Wayne as Rooster Cockburn, the most colorful
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character he's ever played.
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If I smelled as bad as you, I wouldn't live near people.
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Kim Derby as Matt Ross.
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Hey here.
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Bye.
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God.
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C reminds me of me, Glenn Campbell, in his first big screen roll A
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little earlier I gaz some thought to stealing a kiss from you.
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Although you are very young and you're unattractive to boot, but
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now I'm of a mind to give you five or six good licks with my belt.
Scott:True Grit was originally a book that was written by Charles Portis in 1968
Scott:with the movie adaptation with John Wayne being released just a year later in 1969.
Scott:The book is known for its humorous and colorful characters, as well
Scott:as its depiction of the rugged and violent American West.
Scott:Now, the original True Grit released in 1969 was directed by Henry Hathaway
Scott:and it Star John Wayne, Kim Darby, Glenn Campbell, who will talk a
Scott:little bit about and actually features featured a very young Dennis Hopper.
Scott:The film was based on the novel and tells a story of a young girl, Maddie Ross.
Scott:Seeking revenge for her father's murder.
Scott:With the help of the gruff US Marshall Rooster Cogburn along the way, they are
Scott:joined by a Texas Ranger named LeBeouf.
Scott:Who's also hunting the same man for a different crime Now, the original True
Scott:Grit was a box off of success earning just over 31 million domestically
Scott:in its initial release, which was a significant amount of money back in
Scott:19 60, 69, adjusted for inflation.
Scott:That would be the equivalent of about 230 million in 2023.
Scott:Wow.
Scott:That's a good.
Scott:And it actually only cost about 3 million to make back then.
Scott:Yeah, you can see that so they did pre it did pretty well.
Scott:Now this classic Western was nominated for four Academy Awards, including Best
Scott:Picture, best Actor for John Wayne.
Scott:Best supporting Actor for Dennis Hopper.
Scott:And best music score.
Scott:John Wayne won the Oscar for best actor for his role as Rooster Cogburn, which
Scott:was his first and only Academy Award win.
Oscars:Inside is one of the following names, all of whom have been nominated
Oscars:for the best performance by an actor.
Oscars:Peter O'Toole in Goodbye, Mr.
Oscars:Chips.
Oscars:Dustin Hoffman in Midnight Cowboy, John Hoyt in Midnight Cowboy, Richard
Oscars:Burton in Anne of the Thousand Days and John Wayne in True Grit.
Oscars:I'm not gonna tell you the winner is.
Oscars:John Wayne.
Oscars:Wow.
Oscars:I've known that I'd have put that patch on 35 years earlier.
Scott:So Jen, can you, before you tell us what you think of this movie, cuz
Scott:we can tell that you already enjoy it just by the glow coming off of you.
Scott:Can you give us a little bit of the, the historical setting
Scott:of when this movie was set?
Jenn:Sure.
Jenn:When they talk.
Jenn:About her and her father in the West.
Jenn:And then when Cogburn meets the buff for the first time, they ask
Jenn:of what did you do in the war?
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:Where were you in the war?
Jenn:That's a very significant thing at that time in the 1880s to be asking
Jenn:people, cuz everyone fought in the Civil War, and of course he's from Texas,
Jenn:so of course he's asking what side he is on Texas as a Confederate state.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:But parts of Texas fought for the North, so he's asking, he wants
Jenn:to just know where his allegiance lies, and they both talk about.
Jenn:Who they fought for.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:More than what their leaders.
Jenn:It comes up a couple times.
Jenn:Yes.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:So we're in the 20 years after the Civil War when the West is really being settled.
Jenn:It's
Scott:The late 1870s, early 1880s.
Scott:Yes.
Scott:1880s, right around that time.
Scott:And
Jenn:it's taking place, Fort Smith, Arkansas.
Jenn:Yep.
Jenn:So this is, Western expansion.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:Then Oklahoma, I think
Jenn:we need, so they're gonna venture into Oklahoma, which is very much
Jenn:territories, American Indian territory.
Jenn:And that is why it's so significant that Rooster Cogburn is a Marshall Yeah.
Jenn:A US Marshall and La Beef is a Ranger.
Jenn:So the law is very much getting useful at this time, the kind
Jenn:of writing the law at this time.
Jenn:How do you govern a lawless wilderness
Scott:area?
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:In the, it seems like at this time in the more populated areas that kind of.
Scott:For lack of a better word, that civil contract between the people and the
Scott:law and the government is solidifying.
Scott:Yes.
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Sworn this morning, you're still sworn take the stand.
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Defense will cross examine.
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Mr.
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Cogburn, you testified for the prosecution this morning.
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Now, in order to refresh our memories, Allow me to summarize what you said.
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Now, according to your story, CC Wharton grabbed up a shotgun and killed
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Marshall Padlet, and then he turned the gun on you, you say, and you shot him.
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Then you say the father swung his axe and you shot him too.
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The defendant here tried to run, you say, and you also shot him, just winged
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him, or he wouldn't be here to pay up the old man and CC hit the ground dead.
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How long have you been a Deputy Marshall, Mr.
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Cogburn?
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Four years.
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Come March.
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How many men have you shot in that time?
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The prosecution objects overruled.
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How many men have you shot since you became a marshal?
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Mr.
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Cogburn?
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I never shot nobody.
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I didn't have to.
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That was not the question.
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How many, uh, Shot or killed.
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Oh, let's restricted to killed.
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So we may have a manageable figure.
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Well, 12 to 15.
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Stopping men in flight and defending myself.
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12 to 15.
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So many that you cannot keep a specific count.
Scott:But there is still these just like wild west areas, outlaws.
Scott:And that's where Rooster Cogburn and Maddie Ross.
Scott:She picks him because he, I think she, I'm pretty sure she picks
Scott:him and I don't think she's not.
Scott:She doesn't really hide it because he's more likely To shoot the guy.
Scott:Yes.
Scott:To kill the guy that she's after.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:And go after the person.
Jenn:So Maddie, if you realize She's very dictated.
Jenn:Yeah, she's very much following rule of law lawyer.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:She brings up her in the original, the 1969 version.
Scott:She brings up the lawyer a lot
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I will not be pushed about when I'm in the right.
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I'll take it up with my attorney now.
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I will take it up with mine, lawyer Dagget and he will make money.
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And I will make money and your lawyer will make money and you, Mr.
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licensed auctioneer You will foot the bill.
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You are damn nuisance Lawyer.
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Dagget lawyer Dagget, who is this famous pleader, whose name I was
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happily ignorant of 10 minutes ago?
Jenn:In the West.
Jenn:Yes.
Jenn:We're trying to adhere to a territory.
Jenn:We're trying to adhere to a federal system where the judge has a jury and we bring
Jenn:people in, but it's still very loose.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:People are getting killed and interfacing.
Jenn:That's what Rooster Cogburn is known for, is he doesn't really bring people
Jenn:in as much as he just kills them.
Jenn:That's, so that's
Scott:the court case.
Scott:That's the court case.
Scott:So that's the court case and one of the things.
Scott:And we'll just dive into kind of how we felt and what we thought, through
Scott:the movie for the 1969 version.
Scott:But John Wayne played much more of a character to me Yes.
Scott:In this he played to me, and I've been watching a bunch of John Wayne movies
Scott:recently, so that's a future watch with this history episode coming up.
Scott:But he played, more, a little bit more comedic role.
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You are a lot of trouble.
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Wait till I finish this hand.
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You can never tell what's in the Chinaman's mind.
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That's the way he best yet.
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Cards
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I go.
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Mr.
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Rat, I have a writ here, says to stop eating Chan's corn meal fourth with
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now it's a rat writ rit for a rat, and this is lawful service of same.
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See, doesn't pay any attention to me
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outside is place for shooting.
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I'm serving some papers.
Scott:But he played that out.
Scott:He was a little bit more of an out.
Scott:Outward expressive character.
Scott:Yes.
Scott:This kind of drunk, gruff.
Scott:Yes.
Scott:Western, like probably an outlaw in some states, and then now he's a US Marshall.
Jenn:So it's very much like you're very much skirting the letter of the law.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:And that's why Rooster Cogburn knows what she's talking about with the
Jenn:lawyer and stuff, but he's also laughing at her like, I, that's great.
Jenn:That's not gonna work here.
Jenn:Did you think that someone's gonna.
Jenn:Care about your lawyer, but that's not gonna work here.
Jenn:And you're also dealing with a lot of other stereotypes.
Jenn:He lives with an Asian man, Yep.
Jenn:Which, the Asian people had come over to help dig the railroad Yep.
Jenn:And start the railroad.
Jenn:So it's very much these stereotypes
Scott:that he's, and he I loved the cat.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:He called the cat.
Scott:Like the general the general.
Scott:So he's sleeping in like the back of this, this China man's shop.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:That's where he lives, that's where he lives, in this.
Scott:In this town and he plays cards and drinks with the China man.
Scott:And then he calls the cat the general, and that's just what he does.
Scott:He goes after bad guys and drinks.
Jenn:Then one of the first things she does when she gets to Fort
Jenn:Smith, which is like the city close to her, is as a hanging.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:As a public hanging.
Scott:So that was interesting to me and.
Scott:When I watched the 69 version, my first thought was like, oh my gosh,
Scott:was that what it was really like?
Scott:Was did, so did people, if you haven't seen the 1969 version in quite some
Scott:time, They, she comes into town and she's trying to see the coroner and
Scott:they're like coroner's out at the hanging because he's expecting three more bodies.
Scott:And these bodies that are about to be hung.
Scott:And the whole town's out there, the whole town.
Scott:People had come into town for this hanging people, selling kids.
Scott:Kids were penis playing kids.
Scott:People were selling peanuts.
Scott:They were singing hymns.
Scott:So is that relatively accurate at the time?
Scott:That's fairly really accurate.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:That cause that's entertainment That surprised me and I don't know, it's
Scott:just because I've never really watched movies like this, but that was one of the
Scott:things I remember jotting that down was like, is that what it was really like?
Scott:So
Jenn:I thought that was very, if it was public, and you still are getting public
Jenn:hangings in the 1880s until prisons.
Jenn:Are really made.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:And when executions will happen inside a prison it will be public until.
Jenn:That happens.
Jenn:So you're getting in those, in these territories, in these settled
Jenn:territories where they're holding court.
Jenn:And it is one of those things where you're found guilty and
Jenn:you're walked outside and hanged.
Jenn:It's not where you have this stay of execution and you're
Jenn:waiting and it's none of that.
Jenn:It's just like you're found guilty and now you have to hang.
Jenn:It's very expedient.
Jenn:Cause they don't have the time or the resources to hold people.
Scott:Yeah, there's no giant.
Scott:Federal prisons and all that stuff.
Scott:They're like, okay, you're guilty.
Scott:You're gonna go hang.
Jenn:Yes.
Jenn:And so she sees that right away.
Jenn:She sees Rooster, Cogburn testify.
Jenn:He's very truthful.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:Even in his shortcomings.
Jenn:He's very truthful.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:He's very colorful.
Jenn:And he entertains her and he listens to her.
Jenn:And and he also, I think, recognizes.
Jenn:Who the bad guy is or who he might be
Scott:running with, who might be running with it's like
Scott:something Pepper, Ned Pepper.
Scott:Yeah.
Jenn:Ned Pepper.
Jenn:So he knows, he recognizes the guy.
Scott:He's oh, he's probably, he probably linked up, or I think she tells him,
Scott:yeah, that she heard that he linked up with Ned Pepper and he is oh, Ned Pepper.
Scott:I know that guy.
Scott:And then he knows
Jenn:he'll go to Indian territory, which he then he knows as a Marshall.
Jenn:You're the only one who has jurisdiction Yeah.
Jenn:Of her Indian territory.
Jenn:So he's willing to go in there and look for him because she's paying cash.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:Too.
Jenn:Which they don't make that much money.
Jenn:I think it's $2 a ahead per person.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:And I, and he's paying, I enjoyed dollars.
Scott:I enjoyed in the original, even though her character, I think we both agree that the
Scott:twenty ten one, that the girl was a better actor, but the better actor and younger
Scott:the 69 1, the dialogue I felt was actually good and a little bit more believable.
Scott:She was very aggressive, very, just like you could tell.
Scott:It used to be her father running the house.
Scott:And now it was her.
Scott:Yes.
Scott:And you could absolutely see this 14 year old girl running a household.
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They are all for sale, except those, uh, four scrubby
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ones and, uh, who they belong to.
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The heirs of the late Frank Ross.
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I'm Maddie Ross and I'd like to sell you back those ponies that my father bought.
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I fear that is outta the question.
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My father bought those ponies for breeding.
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Now I've looked at them and they're all geldings.
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You cannot breed geldings.
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Oh, that hardly concerns me.
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Your father bought four ponies and paid a hundred dollars for
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them, and there's an end of it.
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I want $300 for Papa Saddle Horse that was stolen from your barn.
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You'll have to take that up with the man who stole it.
True Grit 1969 00:17:07
Tom Cheney stole it while it was in your care.
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You are responsible.
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I admire your son, but I'm not liable.
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I will take it to the law.
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Well, you must do us.
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You ain't best.
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We will see if a widow and three small children can get fair
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treatment in the courts of this city.
Scott:She's dealing with the horse trader.
Scott:She's very book smart and she's dealing with.
Scott:Ru Cogburn.
Scott:She dealt with LA beef.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:At the Yes.
Scott:At the she's
Jenn:talking to the lady at the boarding house.
Jenn:Yep.
Jenn:And so the boarding house is also very accurate.
Jenn:What a boarding house would look like.
Jenn:And shacking up her grandma.
Jenn:Yeah.
Scott:Everybody's sitting around the table.
Scott:Sitting around the
Jenn:table to eat.
Jenn:Yep.
Jenn:And you pay for the meal Yeah.
Jenn:Of the evening.
Jenn:So that is all accurate and well done.
Jenn:I think, and that's what she meets LeBeouf.
Jenn:Who's Glenn Campbell, who is a singer at the time.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:So I didn't realize that.
Jenn:Yeah, he's not really an actor.
Jenn:He's a singer and he's a pretty well-known country singer.
Jenn:And they had gone after Elvis Presley I think when had read.
Jenn:But Elvis wanted top boy, El Elvis's Management wanted
Jenn:top billing over John Wayne.
Jenn:And they're like, that ain't happening.
Jenn:So it was John Wayne actually approached Glen Campbell.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:And asked him to be ated.
Jenn:And Glen Campbell was like, yeah.
Jenn:And I like Kim.
Jenn:I think he does a fair job.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:I
Scott:warmed up.
Scott:I, for him, I feel like I warmed up to him.
Scott:Eventually.
Scott:And they played up in the 1969 version.
Scott:A little bit more of a potential, not really romantic, but like she was
Scott:like initially interested but then disgusted because he was just this
Scott:Texas ranger who was talking down to her like she was a little girl.
Scott:And then later on Yeah, she actually was like trying to care for him.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:And you could tell that she might.
Scott:May have some feelings, and I think it was more just born out of the hardship
Scott:that all three of them had gone through
Jenn:together.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:And I actually like his character.
Jenn:I like, I think Matt Damon plays him better in the 2010 version,
Jenn:but I like that his character, I.
Jenn:Dies in the 1969 version.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:A little more realistic because he dies, he saves them.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:And then he dies.
Jenn:And he really he is also, I think, someone who has true grit.
Jenn:Like he's showing that he doesn't he's all in and then he dies, and you get
Jenn:the backstory that Rooster Cogburn goes back for his body, puts him in his full.
Jenn:Ranger uniform takes him back to Texas and Leif's talking up about some girl,
Jenn:some sweetheart that he has, and Rooster says, no sweetheart ever showed up.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:So there's more of that story that you get , in the 1969 version than in the 2010.
Jenn:And I liked that too.
Jenn:They're filmed in different areas as well.
Jenn:They were the 1969 version is filmed in Colorado.
Jenn:Okay.
Jenn:And and then the, this version, the 20 10, 20 10 is New Mexico.
Jenn:Okay?
Jenn:So you get.
Jenn:Different backdrops and scenery.
Jenn:But I know the, what's interesting about the 1969 version, it is, it
Jenn:comes out right after the book.
Jenn:Yep.
Jenn:And the book's a big deal.
Jenn:And John Wayne loved the book.
Jenn:And then the person who wrote the screenplay, he loved the screenplay.
Jenn:Oh, okay.
Jenn:And he.
Jenn:He gunned for the part.
Jenn:He wanted that part.
Jenn:Oh, interesting.
Jenn:And so when he finally did get the part, I think I told you this, he thinks one of
Jenn:the best scenes ever written was the one where he's up on the mountain with Maddie
Jenn:and they're talking about his past life.
Jenn:. True Grit 1969: How'd you lose your eye?
Jenn:I was in the war, the loan jack, little scrap outside of Kansas City.
Jenn:What'd you do after the war?
Jenn:I robbed me a federal paymaster and went to Cairo, Illinois and bought a eating
Jenn:place there called the Green Frog.
Jenn:Married a grass widow place, had a billard table.
Jenn:You never told me you had a wife.
Jenn:Oh, well I didn't have her long.
Jenn:My friends was a pack of river rats and.
Jenn:She didn't crave their so- society, so she up and left men, went back to
Jenn:her first husband who was clerking in the hardware store in Paducah.
Jenn:Goodbye Ruben.
Jenn:She says, A love of decency does not abide in you.
Jenn:That's a divorced woman talking for you about decency.
Jenn:Well, I told her, I said, goodbye Nola.
Jenn:And.
Jenn:I hope that nail selling bastard makes you happy this time.
Jenn:Did you have any children?
Jenn:Hmm?
Jenn:There was a boy, Nola taking him with her.
Jenn:He never liked me anyway.
Jenn:A clumsier child you'll never see than Horace.
Jenn:I bet he broke 40 cup.
Jenn:Never did get you for stealing that money.
Jenn:I didn't consider it.
Jenn:Stealing didn't belong to you.
Jenn:I needed a road stake.
Jenn:It was like that little high interest bank in New Mexico needed
Jenn:a road stake, and there it was.
Jenn:I never robbed no citizen taking a man's watch.
Jenn:It's all stealing.
Jenn:That's the position them new Mexicans took.
Jenn:I had to flee for my life.
Jenn:Suppose a young colt then, no horse could run him into the ground.
Jenn:When that posse thinned out, uh, I turned old bo around and
Jenn:taken them reins in my teeth.
Jenn:I charged them boys firing two Navy six s.
Jenn:They must have all been married men that loved their families cause
Jenn:they scattered and run for a home.
Jenn:With his ex-wife and his son, horse, and he's talks about his shortcomings.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:Basically.
Jenn:And he thinks that's a great.
Jenn:One of the best scenes ever written.
Jenn:And so you see John Wayne really, making a character here and you
Jenn:see the real humanization of him.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:And that's one of the things, again, having watched a fair amount of
Scott:John Wayne movies recently, this was the first time that I saw,
Scott:More backstory for his character.
Scott:He's not just John Wayne, with a different name, who can knock out a
Scott:guy in one punch and he's like the bigger, he's taller and bigger than
Scott:everybody and tougher than everybody.
Scott:Like he's talking about his deficiencies.
Scott:His, like you said, his shortcomings.
Scott:And that's what really.
Scott:Builds a true character in a movie like this.
Scott:Yes.
Scott:And I think that's, that has to be one of the reasons that, aside from
Scott:everything else the great lines and all some of the classic one liners
Scott:that come out of it That's one of the things I think that really put, probably
Scott:put him over the top for the Oscar.
Jenn:And of course he has the best scene and he's gonna have the best
Jenn:scene in this 1969 version and the 2010 version where it hits him against four.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:And that is by far Rooster Cogburn's best scene because it shows you how
Jenn:brave this man is and just, is it stupid?
Jenn:Is it brave or it's his job, but he doesn't back
Scott:down.
Scott:Farrell, you and your brother stand clear.
Scott:I got no interest in you today.
Scott:Stand clear and you won't get hurt.
Scott:What's your intention?
Scott:Do you think?
Scott:One on four is a dog Fall.
Scott:I mean to kill you in one minute, Ned, or see you hanged in Fort
Scott:Smith at Judge Parker's convenience.
Scott:Which will it be?
Scott:I call that bull talk for a one eyed fat man.
Scott:Fill your hand.
Scott:You son of a bitch.
Scott:They're too far.
Scott:They're moving too fast.
Scott:No grit Rooster Cogburn, not much.
, Scott:and the interesting part is he talks about how he had done this before
, Scott:with one on seven or something like that.
, Scott:Yeah.
, Scott:And he was just like, oh yeah, those men, this must have loved their wives because
, Scott:they turn around and ran, and if you charge hard enough and they'll run away.
, Scott:And so then all of a sudden at the, towards the end of the movie when, Katie
, Scott:Ross's has been rescued and now it's him versus Ned Pepper and the other
, Scott:in his gang, the other gang members.
, Scott:Ned Pepper's sitting there oh, he's sitting there all cocky thinking, Mr.
, Scott:Cogman's gonna turn around and run.
, Scott:And he's what are you doing over there?
, Scott:He's I am to kill you in about a minute.
, Scott:And then you see Ned Pepper, just do this double take wait, what did he just say?
, Scott:Yeah.
, Scott:And then he just you realize he settles in to start getting ready for
, Scott:a fight and he actually insults him.
, Scott:He's look that's pretty big talk from a fat man with one eye.
, Scott:Yeah.
, Scott:And then he I've actually clipped this before he says, I
, Scott:think he says, fill your hands.
, Scott:You son of a bitch.
, Scott:Yeah.
, Scott:And
Jenn:then he, so it's get your guns ready.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:He's like brave.
Jenn:And I like, even before that, he tells the other people, I have no beef with you.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:So if you wanna leave, you should leave now.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:He was just going for Ned Pepper.
Jenn:I'm just going for Ned Pepper.
Jenn:So if you wanna stay, it's up to you, but I'm telling you, you can leave.
Jenn:Yep.
Jenn:And so I like that he's, it's very, brave.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:A stupid brave.
Jenn:I don't know.
Jenn:But so now they all stay, so it's four against one.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:And
Scott:then he throws those reigns in his mouth.
Scott:He just gets going and he going, he charges them.
Scott:And it was, and they're watching it from up
Jenn:high.
Jenn:So the buff and Maddie are watching, is it Maddie?
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:Yeah, they're watching from up high and LA Buff is, has the
Jenn:rifle, but he's not a great shot and they've already distinguished.
Jenn:He's not a great shot.
Jenn:He likes to shoot horses
Scott:out for people.
Scott:Yeah, he just says that like his carbine, can shoot someone from 300 yards.
Jenn:John Wayne takes out everybody but Ned Pepper.
Jenn:He wings him.
Jenn:He wings him.
Jenn:And he's basically, he knows he's a goner, but Rooster Cogburn, his horses
Jenn:have been shut out from underneath him.
Jenn:And the, he's landed on his leg and he can't, so he's not
Jenn:shot, but he's incapacitated.
Jenn:He can't reach his weapon.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:So Ned Pepper thinks it's gonna be an easy kill, and that's when
Jenn:the buff is able to shoot him.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:Off the horse.
Jenn:Just as he's getting ready to shoot
Scott:John Wayne.
Jenn:Just says he's gonna make to shoot John Wayne.
Jenn:And then the bad guy with the mark on his face hits him on the head with a
Scott:rock.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:Hits him on the head.
Scott:And and that's when
Jenn:Maddy falls
Scott:into the snake pit.
Scott:And the interesting thing is that in each of the movies and
Scott:in 1969 you get Dennis Hopper.
Scott:So he was actually nominated for the best supporting actor.
Scott:That's
Jenn:interesting.
Jenn:Cuz Duval plays Ned Pepper.
Scott:But Dennis Hopper's character dies earlier in the movie.
Scott:Dies early.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:In the dugout.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:He has a
Jenn:decent sized role.
Jenn:He does.
Jenn:And very dramatic.
Jenn:Gets his fingers cut off.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:They show a lot more in the 2010 version.
Scott:But the, so that, that was very interesting.
Scott:And even seeing Robert Duvall, I was just pleasantly surprised because
Scott:I wasn't expecting to see either of those, those well-known actors.
Scott:And that was in their early days for them.
Scott:This was towards the later end of John Wayne's career.
Scott:But I really enjoyed.
Scott:True grit.
Scott:I enjoyed John Wayne's character
Jenn:a lot.
Jenn:I do too.
Scott:And one of the things that I actually wrote down and I was saving this
Scott:for the another watch with history we have planned, but I actually wrote down,
Scott:because you assume Maddie says, When she first hires Rooster Cogburn, she says,
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They tell me you're a man with true grit.
Scott:And I actually wrote down about halfway, two-thirds
Scott:of the way through the movie.
Scott:I was like, maybe, I think she's actually the one with true grit.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:And that's what they're showing you.
Scott:Nobody ever actually says that.
Scott:Sure.
Scott:But that's what they're showing you.
Scott:Here's this 14 year old girl.
Scott:You wanna talk about someone that's got true grit.
Scott:She like jumps her horse in the water and swims it across the river.
Scott:Yes.
Scott:To Chase Rooster Cogburn and lab beef and all this stuff.
Scott:She shoots Cheney.
Scott:She shoots Cheney.
Scott:And she keeps fighting back.
Scott:And she's bitten by the snake.
Scott:Bitten by the snake and, hangs in there.
Scott:It was, Pretty, it was pretty
Jenn:incredible.
Jenn:It was pretty incredible.
Jenn:And what you get, and I hope these are spoilers, if no
Jenn:wouldn't have seen the movie.
Jenn:So if you haven't seen it and you don't wanna hear these spoilers, turn this
Jenn:off, but even at the end, both movies make a point that she's respectful.
Jenn:He's made such an impact in her life that she wants him buried in her family
Jenn:plot, in her family plot in both movies.
Jenn:Do that.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:And I think that's significant to show that she thinks almost
Jenn:like the shared hardship.
Jenn:Like now he's family and she thinks of him as family.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:And in the end of the 1969 version John Wayne actually
Jenn:makes that jump on that horse.
Jenn:Trust you to buy another tall horse.
Jenn:Yeah, he's not as game as Bob, but Stonehill says he
Jenn:can jump a four rail fence.
Jenn:You're too old.
Jenn:Too fat to be jumping horses.
Jenn:Well come see a fat old man sometime.
Jenn:Yeah.
Scott:Yeah, you told me that.
Scott:I, that's pretty impressive.
Scott:Cause I think he was like 60 and
Jenn:he had already had the lung surgery, so he usually had a stunt double.
Jenn:But this was his horse and this horse was young and it was a jumper
Jenn:and they weren't sure if John Wayne was gonna do it in the last scene.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:And he actually did it.
Jenn:And he's wait to say, come see an old Fatman sometimes.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:Could Fatman jump over a fence sometimes And then he just goes and does it.
Scott:Does it?
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:It was, it's such a great scene.
Scott:It was.
Scott:It was pretty cool.
Scott:We'll move on to the 2010 version here in just a second.
Scott:But there's an interesting fact that I dug up.
Scott:So there was actually a true grit television show made in the late 1970s.
Scott:A show was called True Grit, A Further Adventure, and it
Scott:aired for one season in 1978.
Scott:The show starred Warren Oats as Rooster Cogburn and followed the
Scott:character as he continued to work as a US Marshall and take on various
Scott:cases across the American West.
Scott:Now the show is not a success but it was based on the same characters and
Scott:storylines from the novel and despite the popularity, it only did about 11 episodes.
Scott:But a fun fact about Warren Oats, if you don't know that name, He so he played
Scott:Rooster in this, in the TV show, but he went to later on to play the role
Scott:of Sergeant Holka, the drill instructor in the 1981 Bill Murray Comedy Stripes.
Scott:So it's the same actor.
Scott:So just a fun little, like he was definitely working actor.
Scott:He did a lot of stuff.
Scott:Sure.
Scott:But I looked him up and then looked up kind of some of the more popular
Scott:movies he was in, and that's one that a lot of people in, including those
Scott:who've seen or probably watching this.
Scott:They've probably seen Bill Murray in
Jenn:Stripes They Pro.
Jenn:Oh, absolutely.
Jenn:So I just think it's so cool.
Jenn:I, we'll, we have a, we will talk about what I think is John Wayne's
Jenn:best performance another time, but I do like this performance.
Jenn:I do think this is a performance as well.
Jenn:Like it does warm my heart that he did win an Oscar and he won it for this
Scott:role.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:No, it was very good.
Scott:I enjoyed the 1969 very version, very much.
Scott:Now, the 2010 gr True Grit.
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Mr.
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Cogburn, in your four years as US Marshall, how many men
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have you shot, shot or killed?
True Grit 2010 00:31:59
Let us restrict it to killed so that we may have a manageable figure.
True Grit 2010 00:32:10
Mr.
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Cockburn, what do you want, bro?
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I'm looking for the man who told my father man's name is, Tom Cheney
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and I need somebody to go after him.
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What's your name?
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My name is Maddie Ross.
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Are you some kind of law?
True Grit 2010 00:32:27
I'm a Texas Ranger.
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I know Channey.
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It is at least a two man job taking him alive.
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Why car break?
True Grit 2010 00:32:38
Can we depart this afternoon?
True Grit 2010 00:32:40
We.
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I'm going with you.
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Congratulations.
True Grit 2010 00:32:44
You're graduating from Marauder to Wetters.
True Grit 2010 00:32:48
We're being followed.
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Marshall,
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you missed your shot.
True Grit 2010 00:32:55
Cockburn.
True Grit 2010 00:32:56
Best let this go.
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I thought you were gonna say the sun was in your eyes.
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That is to say.
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Your eye.
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You got a lot of experience with mounting hunters.
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Steve, that is a silly question.
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I am 14.
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You can run home for a long time.
True Grit 2010 00:33:11
Time for you to go home.
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I don't like you.
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I will not go back.
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Not without Cheney.
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Dead or alive.
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Leave.
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You gotta cut you.
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Downey's Here.
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Help me Marshall.
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Now what?
True Grit 2010 00:33:25
Cogburn them boys.
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You don't think about the wrath that's about to set down on it.
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And this gang a rough, not your father.
True Grit 2010 00:33:48
I will kill this girl.
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The biggest mistake you ever made.
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Help me.
True Grit 2010 00:34:02
I couldn't do nothing for you son.
Scott:I.
Scott:Is directed by the Cohen Brothers.
Scott:It stars Jeff Bridges, Matt Damon and Haley Steinfeld and Josh Brolin.
Scott:And Josh Brolin.
Scott:He comes in a little bit later the movies a remake of the 1969 film
Scott:of the same name, and we even get a lot of the same iconic lines between
Scott:the characters as Matt Ross Rooster Cogburn, and the Texas Ranger.
Scott:The beef travel through the Indian territory.
Scott:They encounter similar obstacles and dangerous terrain, and
Scott:the film culminates in the.
Scott:Same classic showdown between Rooster Cogburn and the criminals he's pursuing.
Scott:And Jeff Bridges even gives us the line that John Wayne made famous.
Scott:Fill your hands, you son of a bitch.
Scott:And charges straight towards the four outlaws with reins in his
Scott:mouth and two guns firing away.
Scott:Now this movie is a Tale of vengeance.
Scott:Justice and the roughness of the American West and features,
Scott:strong performances from its cast and beautiful cinematography.
Scott:I did notice that very clearly in the 2010 version, the cinematography.
Scott:I just loved some of those scenes.
Scott:I think you could just literally turn into a picture.
Scott:It was gorgeous.
Scott:The.
Scott:2010 release of True Grit was a surprise Cohen Brothers commercial
Scott:success, and it grossed over 252 million at the box office.
Scott:It was nominated for 10 Academy Awards.
Scott:Wow.
Scott:Including Best Picture, best Director for the Cohen Brothers
Scott:Best adapted screenplay.
Scott:Best actor for Jeff Bridges best supporting actress for Haley Steinfeld.
Scott:The film also received nominations for best cinematography, sound
Scott:editing, sound mixing, best costume design and best art direction.
Scott:Wow.
Scott:So it, they knocked out of the park on this one.
Scott:And here's an interesting movie Critics fact for you.
Scott:Jeff Bridges was nominated for playing Rooster Cogburn and the role that
Scott:John Wayne won his Oscar for, and it's very rare for two actors to win
Scott:an Oscar for the exact same role.
Scott:Sure.
Scott:It's, I can't name any off the top of my head.
Scott:You might be able to, but Joaquin Phoenix, we'd have to, we'd have to look that up.
Scott:And
Jenn:Heath Ledger a Joker.
Scott:But one year earlier, so this is the 2010 version,
Scott:one year earlier in 2009.
Scott:Bridges had actually just won for his first Oscar for the film Crazy Heart.
Scott:Which was seen at the time as like a career kind of achievement award for him.
Scott:Yet many critics felt that Bridge's role as Cogburn was
Scott:actually the better performance.
Scott:And if not for his , Oscar win a year earlier for Crazy Heart.
Scott:, most critics believe he would've won it for True Grit as Rooster Cogburn.
Scott:So I just thought that was very interesting.
Scott:Interesting.
Scott:Because, Jeff Bridges is phenomenal.
Scott:He does play
Jenn:it very well.
Jenn:He does.
Jenn:He plays a different booster.
Jenn:Cogburn, like you said, not quite as humorous.
Jenn:Yep.
Jenn:He takes a little bit of the humor away, but he does play the same gritty ness
Jenn:and I think what, and this was nominated for so many Oscars, I think westerns.
Jenn:Really set themselves up to be shot beautifully cinematically.
Jenn:Oh, a hundred percent.
Jenn:Because you're on the raw western landscape and it's beautiful.
Jenn:That is what draws people to the west.
Jenn:That's what draws these cowboys and these rangers to live off the
Jenn:land is that beauty of the land.
Jenn:And so wait, if you can shoot that and shoot that.
Jenn:It really is beautiful.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:There
Scott:was just some amazing cinematic shots.
Scott:One of the things that I actually noticed as I was watching the
Scott:movie, I watched it today.
Scott:But one of the things that I noticed while I was watching the movie and I, when I was
Scott:doing some research online, they called it out as well, is a lot of Some of the
Scott:characters are mirror opposites, so he actually wears the patch on the other eye.
Scott:Ah, it's interesting.
Scott:And so actually Cheney's character, right?
Scott:So that was Brolin.
Scott:He's his pet his scar is on the other cheek.
Scott:His like Is his powder burn.
Scott:Gunpowder burn.
Scott:The gunpowder burn is actually on the other cheek.
Scott:It's interesting.
Scott:And so I think the Cohen brothers, what I read was they tried to stay
Scott:a little bit more true to the book.
Jenn:Sure.
Jenn:Because she loses her arm in this one.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:She doesn't lose her arm in 1960 nine's version in this
Jenn:version, she loses her arm.
Jenn:And in both versions he stays with her until she's well, but she
Jenn:sees him again right away in the 1969 version in the 2010 version.
Jenn:She never sees him again.
Jenn:She gets a letter from him.
Jenn:She goes to visit and he's already
Scott:passed.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:And also the thing that was different, and I assume this must be more accurate to the
Scott:book, was they actually split up from Lae.
Scott:Yes.
Scott:He survives.
Scott:They get into an argument actually pretty early on.
Scott:Oh yes.
Scott:Before they get out to the, get into the initial shootout with some of
Scott:Ned Pepper's, gang, they split up and, so it's just him and Maddie.
Scott:It's just Rooster and Matt for a little while until they get to that one place
Scott:where the two outlaws kind of get killed.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:The deck out and peppers came, comes in later.
Scott:They meet up with the beef and then they split up again.
Scott:Yes.
Scott:And he hears the gunshots, so that must be more accurate to the book.
Scott:Whereas in the 1969 version, they basically stay together the entire time.
Scott:Yeah, they do.
Scott:So I thought that was interesting.
Scott:And I, Matt Damon I liked Matt Damon as an as acting role.
Scott:Yes.
Scott:I think he did a great job.
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He dallied in Monroe, Louisiana, and Pine Bluff, Arkansas
True Grit 2010 00:39:04
before turning up at your father's place.
True Grit 2010 00:39:07
Well, why did you not catch him in Pine Bluff, Arkansas or Monroe, Louisiana.
True Grit 2010 00:39:11
He's a crafty one.
True Grit 2010 00:39:13
I thought him slow witted myself.
True Grit 2010 00:39:16
That was his act.
True Grit 2010 00:39:18
That was a good one.
True Grit 2010 00:39:19
Are you some kind of law?
True Grit 2010 00:39:21
That's right.
True Grit 2010 00:39:25
I'm a Texas Ranger.
True Grit 2010 00:39:28
That may make you a big noise in that state.
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In Arkansas, you should mind that your Texas trappings entitled Do
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not Make you an object of Fun.
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Why have you been?
True Grit 2010 00:39:38
I effectually pursuing Chaney.
True Grit 2010 00:39:41
He's shot and killed a state senator named Bibbs in Waco, Texas.
True Grit 2010 00:39:45
Bibbs family put out a reward.
True Grit 2010 00:39:47
Well, how came Channey to shoot a state senator?
True Grit 2010 00:39:49
My understanding is there was an argument about a dog, you know, anything
True Grit 2010 00:39:52
about the whereabouts of Cheney.
True Grit 2010 00:39:54
Oh, he's in the territory and I hold that little hope for you winning your bounty.
True Grit 2010 00:39:57
Why is that?
True Grit 2010 00:39:58
My man will beat you to it.
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I've hired a Deputy Marshall, the toughest one they have.
True Grit 2010 00:40:02
Annie's familiar with the lucky net pepper gang.
True Grit 2010 00:40:04
They say Cheney's tied up with.
True Grit 2010 00:40:06
Well, I will throw in with you and your Marshall.
True Grit 2010 00:40:09
No, Marshall Cogburn and I are fine.
True Grit 2010 00:40:11
It'll be to our mutual advantage.
True Grit 2010 00:40:13
Your Marshall, I presume, knows the territory.
True Grit 2010 00:40:16
I know Cheney.
True Grit 2010 00:40:17
It is at least a two.
True Grit 2010 00:40:18
Man.
True Grit 2010 00:40:18
I've taken him alive.
True Grit 2010 00:40:20
When Chaney is taken, he's coming back to Fort Smith to hang.
True Grit 2010 00:40:23
I'm not having him go to Texas to hang for shooting some Senator.
True Grit 2010 00:40:26
It is not important where he hangs, is it?
True Grit 2010 00:40:29
It is to me.
True Grit 2010 00:40:30
Is it to you?
True Grit 2010 00:40:31
It means a great deal of money to me.
True Grit 2010 00:40:33
It's been many months work.
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Oh, I'm sorry that you were paid.
True Grit 2010 00:40:36
Peace broken, not on wages and that you have been alluded
True Grit 2010 00:40:39
The winter long by half witch.
True Grit 2010 00:40:44
You give out very little sugar with your pronouncements.
True Grit 2010 00:40:47
While I sat there watching you, I gave some thought to stealing a kiss.
True Grit 2010 00:40:50
Though you are very young and sick and unattractive to boot, but now
True Grit 2010 00:40:54
I have a mind to give you five or six good licks with my belt.
True Grit 2010 00:40:58
Hmm.
True Grit 2010 00:40:59
Well, one would be as unpleasant as the other.
True Grit 2010 00:41:03
If you wet your comb might tame that cowlick.
Jenn:It's difference between an actor and a singer.
Jenn:Glenn Campbell was a singer.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:He's trying to act and he does a fair job.
Jenn:But Mac Damon is an actor.
Jenn:He's
Scott:better.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:Matt Damon did a great job.
Scott:And especially with, if you've ever seen these movies, if you haven't That
Scott:Maddie, what she does esp, especially with Libi, is she's very quick witted.
Scott:And so he keeps saying, it's oh, I was thinking about sneaking a kiss from
Scott:you, but maybe instead I'll you bend you over my knee and give you a switch.
Scott:And she's I think both would be just as miserable.
Scott:And he just He's shocked.
Scott:He's surprised.
Scott:He's like, how does this 14 year old girl she just keeps giving it to him.
Scott:She's very, and so eventually he just gets frustrated and he's
Scott:okay, I'm not dealing with this.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:But so Matt Damon did a fantastic job as Lae.
Scott:Yes.
Scott:And
Jenn:I think the 2010 version, like I said, there is some parts of it
Jenn:that I think are more realistic.
Jenn:There is a part in the dugout when the.
Jenn:The brother is dying.
Jenn:And Jeff Bridges stands over him and
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Help me.
True Grit 2010 00:42:07
I couldn't do nothing for you son.
Jenn:he's help me.
Jenn:And he's I can do nothing for you.
Jenn:John Wayne delivers that line you're standing on my foot.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:I can do nothing for you.
Jenn:Where Jeff Bridges gives you more of a sense of you're dying.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:It's nothing I can do where I didn't really.
Jenn:Get quite that same sentence from when John Wayne delivered the line.
Jenn:So there is so much difference with inflection Sure.
Jenn:And how people are setting up the scene, which I found very interesting.
Jenn:And it's neat to see two really good actors play a very colorful
Jenn:character like this in different ways.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:And I think that, I felt like Jeff Bridges actually played a little
Scott:bit more of that person that was.
Scott:Closer to the edge of what's legal and not
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:And he gets very drunk.
Jenn:You don't see so much of that from John Wayne, except John Wayne gets drunk and
Jenn:falls off the horse and says, we're gonna
Scott:kill here.
Scott:I actually wrote down John Wayne drank from very, he was drinking the whole time.
Scott:Yes.
Scott:Whereas Jeff Bridges was about halfway through the movie before his
Scott:character actually started drinking.
Scott:And they also goes on a huge bender in the 2010 version they introduced, this must
Scott:have been in the book like some random.
Scott:Doctor, like this wilderness Dr.
Scott:Guy who's wearing like a big bur bare fur in the bare head.
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You are not LeBeouf.
True Grit 2010 00:43:33
My name is Forrester.
True Grit 2010 00:43:36
Now, practice dentistry in the nation.
True Grit 2010 00:43:40
Also veterinary arts and medicine on those humans that will sit still for it.
True Grit 2010 00:43:49
They have your work cut out for you There.
True Grit 2010 00:43:53
Traded for him with an Indian who said he came by him.
True Grit 2010 00:43:57
Honestly, I gave up two dental mirrors and a bottle of expectorant.
True Grit 2010 00:44:06
Do either of you need.
True Grit 2010 00:44:08
Medical with attention.
True Grit 2010 00:44:10
No.
Scott:Very strange, very random interaction, but that, that
Scott:had to have been in the book.
Scott:Sure.
Scott:So that just really stuck out cause it was, they didn't have
Scott:that in the first version at all.
Scott:Yeah.
Jenn:I do love the dialogue and I even love, I really
Jenn:appreciate Maddie's dialogue.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:Like you said, she is very of the time.
Jenn:She's using jargon of the time.
Jenn:She's really legal eased and she's cri witted.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:And she's just very, she has a response for everything, and I
Jenn:think that's another thing where Ned Pepper finds her a formidable.
Jenn:A foe, I guess in a way when he meets her because Yeah she
Scott:Earns respect pretty quickly.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:She
Jenn:answers his question.
Jenn:She's very
Scott:forthcoming because cuz Ned Pepper doesn't really care about Cheney.
Scott:Cheney just joined in with him.
Scott:Yes.
Scott:He's oh yeah, he shot that guy.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:He probably deserved it, right?
Scott:He killed your dad.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:It's okay, yeah.
Scott:I can tell you're holding your own, right?
Scott:Don't hurt her.
Scott:Yeah.
Jenn:And she's my, my pistol misfired.
Jenn:And he goes, yeah, they'll do that.
Jenn:So he's very he's honest with her too.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:So I found it very interesting.
Jenn:They still have the same guy who makes the animal sounds Yes.
Jenn:Just showing you like, there's still crazy
Scott:people.
Scott:There's crazy.
Scott:He's he sounds like a Turkey.
Scott:Too thin rooster, too thin.
Scott:You're your five minutes is running.
Scott:No more talk.
Scott:Get on up that hill.
Scott:And then he's That was in the first movie too.
Scott:Yeah, that was in the first movie too.
Scott:And I think he died in, I think that character died in each of 'em.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:So
Jenn:they, yeah.
Jenn:They die in that fill your hands.
Jenn:You son him a bitch.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:There's are other lines.
Jenn:John Wayne makes this, the statement looking back is a bad habit.
True Grit 1969 00:45:52
They don't call him lucky Ned Pepper for nothing.
True Grit 1969 00:45:56
That man gave his life for him.
True Grit 1969 00:45:57
He didn't even look back.
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Yeah, looking back is a bad habit.
Jenn:So he doesn't say that
Scott:In the second one.
Scott:Does is second one.
Scott:I didn't catch it.
Scott:I was li I was listening for it, but that was, that's a pretty famous line.
Scott:I think you have a shirt with that on it.
Scott:Looking back as a bad habit I don't think Jeff Bridges had that line in there.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:But
Jenn:so it's neat.
Jenn:The snake bite.
Jenn:Happens in both.
Jenn:He rides the horse to its death in both.
Jenn:He carries her to safety to the back of the house.
Jenn:In both a little different when,
Scott:And then, like you said earlier, the beef lives in the second one.
Scott:In the 2010 version.
Scott:So again, I assume that must be more like the book.
Scott:Yes.
Jenn:Although she says she hasn't seen him, she said he'd be well.
Jenn:Into his 70 eighties.
Jenn:By now, I would like to have a talk with him.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:So the end of the 2010 version, I actually appreciated seeing,
Scott:she said it's 25 years later.
Scott:I had the body removed to our plot and I have visited it over the years.
Scott:No doubt.
Scott:People talk about that.
Scott:They say.
Scott:Well, she hardly knew the man.
Scott:Isn't she a cranky old maid?
Scott:It is true.
Scott:I have not married.
Scott:I never had time to fool with it.
Scott:I heard nothing more of the Texas officer LeBeouf.
Scott:If he is yet alive, I would be pleased to hear from him.
Scott:I judge he would be in his seventies now and nearer.
Scott:80 than 70.
Scott:I expect some of the starch has gone out of that cowlick.
Scott:Time just gets away from us.
. Scott:But I appreciated seeing her and her tracking down,
. Scott:trying to track down Rooster
Jenn:Cogburn.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:He sends her he's basically running with the Cole Younger,
Jenn:kinda like a Buffalo Bill show.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:They're doing a Wild West show and the Cole Younger gang from Jesse James,
Jenn:Frank James and the Cole Younger.
Jenn:They're doing a show and they're very old men.
Jenn:And Rooster Cogburn must have been part of their show.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:To some degree telling his.
Jenn:Stories and he sends her a letter to come visit them in
Jenn:Memphis, which is also very cool.
Jenn:Cause we used to live in Memphis.
Jenn:And when she gets there and she talks to, I think Mr.
Jenn:Younger, he informs her that booster has died three
Scott:the weeks earlier.
Scott:No, it was like three days.
Jenn:Oh, three days.
Jenn:I know.
Jenn:She must have been three days.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:And they buried him in Jonesboro, Arkansas.
Jenn:And she has them dug up and brought back to her family, to
Scott:her family plot.
Scott:But for some reason I appreciated that ending a little bit.
Scott:More.
Scott:It was two very different endings.
Scott:Two very different endings.
Scott:The first one, the ending was Rooster Cogburn, jumping his horse over a fence,
Scott:and you get that sense of oh, there he is off back, off into the wild west.
Scott:And then the next one, You actually appreciate the closure?
Scott:Yes.
Scott:A little bit.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:Because, that he's gonna die in some random weird, alone.
Scott:Alone.
Scott:Like his character knows that.
Scott:He knows that.
Scott:That's him talking about his ex-wife and his.
Scott:Son who was clumsy, kept, could never stay on a horse, and broke about 40 cups.
Scott:Broke 40 cups.
Scott:So there were differences between the 1969 and the 2010 version that I appreciated
Scott:some things that I missed Yeah.
Scott:In the 2010 that I enjoyed in the 1969.
Scott:Like I said, I think overall to bring this.
Scott:All back together.
Scott:I enjoyed the character of John Wayne's Rooster Cog and a little
Scott:bit more cause I liked the humor.
Scott:It was, there was a little bit more humor in there and I just,
Scott:me personally, I appreciated that.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:The cinematography into the 2010 version was gorgeous.
Scott:It's not even a comparison to me.
Scott:No.
Scott:But Matt Damon's character I think was a little better in the second Maddie
Scott:Ross, her, the actress the young lady.
Scott:She was amazing.
Scott:She's amazing.
Jenn:And she's young.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:Where Kim Derby is not 14 years old.
Jenn:In the 1969 version.
Jenn:Okay.
Jenn:So which one did you like better?
Scott:Oh goodness.
Scott:I would go with the 1969 version really?
Scott:With the John Wayne version.
Scott:I would go with that one just because I enjoyed that version of Rooster
Scott:Cogburn and a little bit more.
Scott:Yes.
Scott:And John Wayne is just so iconic.
Scott:In that role, with the lines that he gives.
Scott:And I think the, to me, hid the lines when he gives those famous one-liners,
Scott:they have a little bit more oomph to him.
Scott:A little bit.
Scott:More, a little more of a ring.
Scott:If I was gonna go just from cinema, cinematography,
Scott:videography, the 2010 version.
Scott:Hands down.
Scott:Yes.
Scott:But I think I enjoyed the 1969 version a little bit more.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:I think same thing.
Jenn:I enjoy the characters in the 1969 version a little bit more.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:As far as cinematography wardrobe, I do like 2010.
Jenn:I like Ben Foster, I think a little bit more as Ned Pepper.
Jenn:Oh yeah.
Jenn:Than Robert Duvall.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:As well.
Jenn:I'm a big Ben Foster fan.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:And I do like how rugged he looked.
Jenn:Ugh.
Jenn:As compared to, they, which they, when you saw his teeth and everything, which
Jenn:they do a really good job, I think, in later westerns to show how hard
Jenn:these men look living off the land.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:Like
Scott:they do.
Scott:Even Josh Brolin, who plays Cheney, his character, it's not a,
Scott:he's a pivotal character, but he doesn't have a lot of screen time.
Scott:Yes.
Scott:But he plays this downbeat.
Scott:Josh Brolin's a huge actor.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:He's downbeat.
Jenn:He also seems very simple-minded as well.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:And the world is against him.
Jenn:Everyone's against him.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:And so it shows you again, like these maybe cognitive limitations.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:That may people into the outlaws that they became.
Scott:But yeah, I think overall I enjoyed the 1969 version a little bit more.
Scott:If you haven't seen these movies I highly recommend both of them.
Scott:Yeah, they're both very enjoyable.
Scott:I do too.
Scott:The John Wayne won.
Scott:If you're a John Wayne fan, I'm guessing you probably clicked on this
Scott:thumbnail to watch this video because you're a John Wayne or True Grit fan.
Scott:So I'd be curious to hear what your guys' favorite version is, whether the
Scott:1969 version of 2010, and maybe your thoughts on your favorite characters
Scott:and why you like one over the other.
Scott:Drop it in the comments below.
Scott:Yeah.
Jenn:Are your favorite lines from the movie?
Jenn:Absolutely.
Scott:I'd like to hear that too.
Scott:Yeah, that'd be fun.
Scott:So thank you for listening to our first ever watch with history segment.
Scott:As we've discussed, true grit had a significant impact on our popular culture,
Scott:particularly in the Western genre.
Scott:It, even just the term true grit has a little bit more meaning just because
Scott:of this film and it's been added.
Scott:It's been adapted into multiple films, a television show, and I think I
Scott:read somewhere, even a stage play.
Scott:At its core, true Grit is a story about the pursuit of justice and revenge
Scott:in a lawless and dangerous world.
Scott:It explores the themes of determination, perseverance, and loyalty, as
Scott:well as the human desire for redemption and a sense of purpose.
Scott:As viewers, we get a peak into the historical context of the American
Scott:Old West depicting a time of conflict and upheaval in the country's history.
Scott:Through its portrayal of rugged landscapes, violent encounters in
Scott:the pursuit of justice, true grit captures the spirit of the American
Scott:frontier and its enduring mythology.
Scott:So whether you're a fan of Westerns, John Wayne, or simply appreciate a
Scott:great story, true Grit is a film that continues to captivate audiences and
Scott:leave a lasting impact on us today.
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