And just a real quick Chiron through the signs, shout out to Lisa Tahiri.

Yes, Tahir.

Tahir.

I. I just grabbed this for her because she has some quick ones.

Did you know she lives in.

She lives here.

Yes, yes, yes.

She reached out to me.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

I just looked up and I was.

We have the book over here and all that.

And I looked it up and I was surprised.

I was like, oh, wait, she's right here.

Yes, she is.

I look forward to meeting her.

The name of her book, everybody, is the Chiron Effect.

Healing our Core Wounds through astrology, empathy and self Forgiveness.

So shout out to Lisa Aries.

You're looking at value and worth.

Chiron and Taurus, neglect.

Chiron and Gemini, attunement.

Chiron and Cancer.

Abandonment

is very much that parent child thing, right?

Yeah.

Abandonment, yeah.

Chiron and Leo, Creativity.

Chiron and Virgo, health and routines.

Chiron and Libra, personal independence.

Chiron and Scorpio, personal power.

Sagittarius, Truth or illusions.

Chiron and Capricorn, responsibility.

Chiron and Aquarius, connection to community.

And Chiron and Pisces, self care.

And I added one boundaries or lack thereof.

Yeah.

Lisa's written a really nice book if you're interested in exploring like the psychology of Chiron in your life.

Yeah.

The last thing I have.

Well, I do have.

Last two statements I have about Chiron is dealing with Chiron is actually equivalent to a snake shedding.

Sk.

Mean that, that makes some sense to me along the way that I also see.

Really?

It's not an asteroid, I don't think, but the, the constellation of Asclepios, you know, like healing.

It's.

It is a healing thing, but it's like sometimes you have to make it worse before you can make it better, you know?

Yeah.

And.

And hey, a snake is uncomfortable in that skin and has to scrap that to start to get the peeling process because it's outgrown that.

That situation.

Hey, here's the question.

How many snakes people get caught and can't get that skin off of them?

Yeah, no, I like that.

It's a good allegory.

And the last thing I have about Chiron is Chiron is equivalent to the story of Jesus.

We all have a care across the carry.

That's fascinating.

Yeah, I hadn't thought of it that way, but certainly there are some.

There's some.

Not a lot.

I mean, you think about their birth stories and in some ways they're the same.

Right.

Because you have an immortal and Immortal.

Right.

But Jesus's parents, as far as we know, didn't reject him, you know?

Yeah, well, I, I just.

They both were great teachers, healers, seers of the future.

Well, what I meant by that is, hey, Jesus was born, he came down here to go through some stuff and then he died.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's pretty much what we doing.

Hey, we was.

As souls were born, we got to go through some stuff.

Which would be the cross we have to carry.

That would.

That would be whatever.

Insert your trauma.

Is your cross.

Insert your trauma here?

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, whatever it is, hey, if you getting hit in the head with a pillow of flower feathers, it's a traumatic experience to you.

Who am I to tell you that wasn't traumatic?

But you still got to carry that cross of, of getting hit with them pillows.

No, that's a really good point.

And I can see.

I can see multiple, you know, parallels even between the story lines of their lives in many ways.

Yeah.

Hey, even Jesus, you know, say, hey, I don't want to do this.

Can you make this burden?

Yeah, take.

Can you take this n. Bro, you got to go through it.

Hey, this is.

The things that happen to us in our life, we have to go through.

And, and me being an astrologer and the more and more I learn and see timing and all that stuff, I'm like, wait, some of this stuff was built in the cake already?

Because how do I know this person from.

I don't know you from a piece of sand.

And I.

You tell me your date and I'm looking at this and something tell them telling me, hey, man, something went down at 25 years old, man.

Yeah.

It does make one question the nature of reality and how much free choice we have.

Hey, there it is.

Any last words you want to leave with the people when it comes to Chiron?

Yeah.

I mean, I kind of started off on the journey not knowing whether I would find anything useful or meaningful at all as I started reading about the Chiron literature.

And what I was surprised about was Chiron's relevance in my own life and the story it told me.

And so, you know, if it's something that you feel called to, I would say explore it on your own.

And I also just think it's a really great expression of, like, sometimes you just gotta listen to those little inner calls that say, hey, point in this direction.

Read this book, you know, So I hope it sparks some curiosity.

That would be my biggest wish.

But give your disclaimer, though.

My disclaimer as far as, hey, if you do go into this.

This realm.

What should someone expect?

Right, Right.

Well, you never know what you're gonna find.

But I feel like if it's calling to you and you feel curious about it, it's probably for a reason.

Well, is Denise saying, hey, if you go into that Chiron door, are they gonna find a party and with balloons and.

No, it will probably not be.

But what I do think you may find is some unique skills that you have, you know, because oftentimes it is true that, for example, for.

For part of my.

We talked about Chiron and Aries as being worth, and I didn't see that in my day to day experiences, but when I think about it, I kind of struggled with worth and the question of worth because I felt like there are people in this world who, like, you know, they're in junior high and they're in high school and they're in college, and they always know what they want to be when they grow up.

Right.

And I was like, what is wrong with me that every three years I change my mind?

Right.

Like that I, you know, I have a job or I buy a place and then I move and blah, blah, blah.

And I hadn't yet come to appreciate that Uranian aspect of myself, that one of my greatest gifts is the ability to be flexible and adapt and to change and to learn and to grow.

And so maybe for me, that is part of where Chiron helped me.

See, that was a skill that I had that I wasn't valuing.

It could be worse.

Yeah.

You could be stuck in Oklahoma still.

I mean, I could be.

But on the other hand, there are people for whom that is what they want for their life, and they're extremely happy doing it.

And I always sort of felt like there was something weird about me because that is not what I wanted.

Right.

Because my family's story is different.

Yeah.

So.

All right, so maybe it reveals, you know, something about you that is, you know, where you think your flaw is actually a strength.

All right.

I guess I'm just saying that, Denise, because I don't want people to be listening to us talk about Chiron and.

And we just having a conversation about it.

But then they dig into Chiron, is like, oh, why did they tell me to open this?

Pandora.

Pandora's box.

You're right.

So maybe maybe have a therapist on

call, you know, hey, I'm just, you know, I was just saying, hey, y', all, be forewarned.

This is not a party.

Not a party.

Perhaps a trigger warning for Chiron.

There you go.

There you Go.

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What do you.

What do you want to know?

Yeah, I have a website, Astrology with Denise.

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