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A pimp with a song in his heart.

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Is there any other kind?

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But can DJay get “Whoop That Trick”

onto a demo tape for the world to hear?

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Today on Hip Hop

Movie Club, Hustle and Flow.

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Bring it! C’mon!

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Welcome to Hip Hop Movie Club.

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This is a show for Gen-X hip hop fans

who want to relive the glory days

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and reconsider classic and modern hip

hop films from a current day perspective.

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Together, we'll explore some of the larger

societal issues raised in these films.

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Whether you have seen or not

seen Hustle Flow before,

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we'll help you decide if you should take

the time to watch it now.

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Either way, you'll be a smarter

hip hop fan by the end of this episode.

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The next 30 minutes or so,

you'll get all this and more.

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We're three

old heads who put their old heads together

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to vibe on these films for you.

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I'm DynoWright, podcaster,

filmmaker, long time hip hop fan,

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and I saw A Tribe Called Quest for

the first time at Lollapalooza in 1994,

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along with the Beastie Boys.

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I’m JB, eighties and

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nineties nostalgia Junkie, longtime

hip hop fan.

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And I like to rap this refrain: It’s the

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capital S, oh yes, I’m fresh, N double O-P

D-O double G-Y, D-O double G, ya see?

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I’m BooGie, a DJ, longtime

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hip hop fan

and one of my favorite emcees is Redman.

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Yes, Reggie Noble is from my ward

in Newark, New Jersey.

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In this episode, I'll answer the question:

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Just how hard is it out there for a pimp?

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Hustle

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and Flow is a 2005 musical drama

about a Memphis hustler and pimp

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whose long held desire to become

a rapper is renewed.

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His internal struggles are on full display

as he tries to add his flow

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to his tumultuous hustle game.

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All right,

let's dig right into Hustle and Flow.

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First question I have

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is, do

you guys think this is a believable story?

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What do you think, BooGie?

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Yeah, I mean, actually, I think it is.

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I mean,

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you have, you know, somebody that's

trying to make it and he's struggling and

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he's a pimp.

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And he also sells

sells and sells drugs at the same time.

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So, I mean, like you said,

you can hustle anything.

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So I always try to do both of those.

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I mean, he has an epiphany and he's like,

you know what?

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I think I can rap.

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I want to put out some raps.

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So, you know, I think the

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being in the right place at the right time

and being able

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to bring those people together

I think is pretty believable.

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I mean, like we've seen, you know, drug

dealers turned rappers all the time. And

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I mean,

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we've seen, you know, pimps,

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I guess, in

short turned into rappers as well.

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I mean, he just happens to do both.

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So I think that sense is pretty, you know,

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believable.

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What do you think, DynoWright?

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Hey, if successful crack dealers,

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if crack dealers can be successful

rappers, why not a pimp?

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Ice-T was one. So there you go.

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I was going to say

there have been other instances of pimps

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that become rappers

or the two professions cross paths.

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Well, people talk about

I don't know how true it is,

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but they like to think of themselves

as pimps.

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Too $hort was one as well.

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I don't know if he was traditionally

really a pimp.

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There's mixed

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theories about that or not.

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But yeah, definitely a believable story.

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You get your grind and

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the two can be somewhat related.

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So we want to.

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Transferable skills!

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Yes, exactly.

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So the main character is DJay,

played by Terrence Howard, who is the pimp

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who has hustle and adding the flow.

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What would you say

was his most endearing quality?

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What made him who he was?

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BooGie, want to kick us off on that one?

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Sure. I think.

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I mean, DJay’s persistent.

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I mean, the guy knows how to,

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quote unquote, hustle.

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He's a survivor.

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He knows how to go out there

and make money.

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He knows how to make those ends meet

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by any means necessary.

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I mean, he's not necessarily

a ruthless type guy, but

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he's pretty quick on his feet

when it comes

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to being resourceful,

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I mean, he's got a bit of a heart, too.

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You can see that

he does have a bit of a heart.

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He's not he's not a ruthless guy,

but he's not, quote unquote, a bad guy.

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I mean, he does some bad things

when he's not a bad guy.

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It for me, he he had the gift of gab.

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He's a leader.

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He was charismatic.

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the ladies kind of followed

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They kind of bought

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And as he's trying to build his profession

in the rap game,

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you know, he he had their loyalty.

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But again, the gift of gab.

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I love the little dialog.

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This was one thing

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there are a lot of quotable

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pieces in here,

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and even the soliloquy

in the very beginning comparing

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men to dogs and,

you know, not men, but mankind.

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And it really, really was catchy.

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I really liked that.

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What are your thoughts there, DynoWright?

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He wasn't completely pure of heart,

but I think

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most of the time

his heart was the right place.

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And he was really persistent.

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I mean, you can't really be a successful

rapper without some persistence.

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So, again, transferable skills.

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That's true.

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He was a little bit abusive,

like slightly physical

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and verbal abusive,

which is difficult to see.

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But, you know, he - it’s

his upbringing not to justify it,

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but again,

his heart was in the right place.

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Yeah, you kind of you're rooting for him

to be successful.

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You know, you want you want

you want him to

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put down some good tracks

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and you want to see where

it will take him.

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And then like even when he's going off

finally at the end

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to go meet with Skinny Black, you’re

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the way it's supposed to happen and you’re

rooting for him.

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You're rooting for him

to get out of the situation.

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The rap

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There were some intense scenes

in this movie.

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I'll.

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I'll kick it off with, like, talking about

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one or so, one or two, and

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then we can kind of share thoughts

about that one.

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Like when DJay pimps out Nola

to get the new microphone and they were

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cash strapped and he kind of sold

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her body to the

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audio store guy

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and she snaps at him as she was humiliated

and she was very upset about it.

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And she was like kind of had enough.

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She she

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she reached her

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And that was a pretty intense scene.

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And he kind of said,

ah, I'll I'll do something for you.

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I'll get you in front of the microphone

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That was intense.

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But what other like intense scenes

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Yeah, I mean, just to piggyback off

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with Nola, man,

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There was one line.

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There was one line that she said in

that exchange that really stuck with me.

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She looked at him and she said, D,

I know when you're messing with my head

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because I let you, because sometimes

my head needs to be messed with.

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But right now just don't, okay?

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It's like, wow, it was like that was.

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Very good.

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Because she let him know,

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like, this scene, like you're

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You say things.

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I listen to you,

but I also let things happen.

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Not because of what you said,

but because in my head,

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I'm trying to find a way to escape

what’s going on in reality.

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I was like, Wow. Yeah, He's not so slick.

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Yeah, you

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But yeah, that.

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But also, there was one scene I really

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it was.

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It was very intense.

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Lex, who was also living in the house

at one time, who was.

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She was actually working as a stripper,

but she was giving her her money to DJay

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as her pimp.

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And there's one part where she heard

the two of them really get into it,

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and he ends up

putting her out with her son.

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I mean, I thought he was going to,

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like, kind of change his mind, like, I,

you know, I just want teach you a lesson.

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But now he really left them out there.

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And you see

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Shug and Nola, you know, they kind of

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they're like very upset

and they're like crying.

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But, you know, neither one of them,

you know, dared intervene, of course.

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But you could see the hurt on their faces

as well, because they kind of had like a

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it was like

they had a symbiotic relationship.

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Everybody kind of played a part,

you know, when Lex was out, you know,

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you know, Shug would

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watch her son and vice versa.

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Nola would've been,

Nola would chip in here and there.

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And so they all kind of worked together.

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And I think one of the other scenes

was that

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that was really intense, was like the end

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with DJay

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finally going to meet Skinny Black

and things not working out

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necessarily

the way that he thought they would

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and Skinny Black in turn

didn't even listen to his demo.

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He just kind of chucked it in the toilet.

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And DJay begins to snap

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because Skinny Black is a little drunk

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and he's kind of provoking him

with that drunkenness.

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But DJay goes all in on him and

just starts beating on her mercilessly.

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And I was like, Wow, that's yeah.

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DynoWright, anything?

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Any other intense scenes that you noted?

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Well, the, the one we haven't mentioned

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yet is the actual writing session

that turned into Whoop That Trick.

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As a musician,

I appreciate the process of creating music

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and I really appreciated the DIY

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nature of having a stack of drink holders,

making that the

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the soundproofing and the pantyhose pop

filter - it actually works. So

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audio producers out there

with low budgets, get yourself some

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pantyhose with runs in it.

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And working out the beat on the MPC,

that's real.

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Yeah they let the beat build.

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Yeah that Whoop That track.

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That was, that was a jam.

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I mean

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if you haven't seen this movie

or at least want to see like that scene,

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look that up on YouTube,

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how they created that Whoop That Trick,

because you're nodding your head to that.

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And like, I really pulled you in.

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I saw I mean, Shug.

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You mentioned Shug.

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She was a pregnant woman.

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She was a great actress.

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You could see her continual despair

with her pregnancy and the conditions

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she was living in and trying to break out.

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She wanted more out of her life.

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Yeah.

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And BooGie, you mentioned

the confrontation with Skinny Black

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when they first when he first meets up

with Skinny Black, played by Ludacris.

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Ludacris, just looks right

past him, starts talking to other guys

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and like he doesn't remember him

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from back in the day

when they used to kind of know each other

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from growing up at the same area

and listening to the demo tapes.

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But also, yeah,

he the fit of rage because DJay

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nearly beats him to death

after he finds his tape in the toilet.

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And then the climax is, you know,

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the member of Black's

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entourage comes in, pulls out his gun,

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He shoots him

and then escapes and etc., etc..

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Very intense scenes, really well done.

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Great cinematography.

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And even that scene with the exchange

between

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DJay, Skinny Black and Skinny

Black’s entourage as he leaves,

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that actually

that leads to another intense scene

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once DJay arrives home

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and the police

are just waiting at his home for him.

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And try to place him under arrest.

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And witnesses from the club are there and

kind of pointing at him, fingering him.

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And they’re like,

there he goes right there.

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And as the police are putting him in

cuffs,

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you see Shug,

you know, pregnant, Shug breaking down

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and Nola's crying

and trying to figure out what to do and

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one of one of the Skinny Black’s guys

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assaults DJay while he's in handcuffs

and everybody's trying to break it

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up, that was just,

that was tough seeing right there as well.

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It definitely was.

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When the cops use handcuffs, what

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what I like

is that, you know, he's handcuffed.

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He actually puts Nola

in charge of the music.

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He's shouting,

you know, you're in charge now.

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And in fact,

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DJay, I'm sorry, Nola

is my favorite character besides DJay.

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And I'll ask you guys that same

who's your favorite character?

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Because you could tell that

she had a desire for something greater.

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And it's

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kind of refreshing to see that she learned

how to hustle from observing DJay.

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She kind of absorbed it.

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And when he is imprisoned,

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she pounded the pavement

and got a song on the hit radio station.

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So I loved her determination.

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Even though she didn’t seemingly

have a great education

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became she became street

smart and persistent, just like DJay.

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Who is your, BooGie?

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Who was your favorite character

besides DJay and why?

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Yeah, I think definitely I have a combo.

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It's like, I like Shug and Nola

was definitely she was a real one.

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I mean, as far as like you said,

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she actually took that she was in charge

as she ran with it.

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I mean, I love how when Key goes to visit

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DJay and he's kind of

breaking it down for him as.

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yo man.

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And she was so she was she was you know,

he was telling him the story,

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but kind of breaking it down

and showing a picture as she's

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getting out of the car,

she's going to the radio station

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and she's repeating that whole soliloquy,

what dog and man said

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to the radio DJ, and then she comes out

and she gets in the car.

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Then like a few minutes later,

she turns, a few minutes later

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she turns on the radio,

goes to the station,

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and the DJ’s immediately

putting the song on. I was like, wow.

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But so yeah, like you said, you know,

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just the fact that she was able to absorb

it were from her situation

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so that she could get out of it herself.

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Because, yeah, I mean, the fact that D.J.

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makes it big, I mean, yeah,

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that's a chance for her to use

that as an escape route as well.

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But I also

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I love Shug’s character as well.

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I love the way she was portrayed.

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I mean, she's here you have, you know,

because she's pregnant.

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You could tell that she was also

one of DJay’s, prostitutes.

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And they hint at the fact

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a couple times that she doesn't even know

who the baby's father is.

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But you could also tell that her and DJay

had a connection at some point.

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There's

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definitely a real connection

between the two of them.

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And you see that come out in the end

as DJay is getting ready to go off

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to meet Skinny Black immediately

rushes back in and he,

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he kisses her and you could tell that

there's real love and affection.

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But she,

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I love the way

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when they sing It's

hard out there for a pimp,

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I love the way

she's trying to sing the chorus.

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And he's like,

They tell him to push it out,

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push it, push it, get it out, get it out.

326

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And finally

she throws him some soul on it.

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It finally gets it out and her face

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from when they finally play it back.

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You see how her face just lights up.

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She's like,

oh my God, that's me. That's me.

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I can't believe that's the way I sound.

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And then you know how

she was even appreciative.

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Like at the end she said, You know,

I really appreciate, appreciate,

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you know, you putting me on all your songs

and letting me sing like that,

335

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Like you didn't have to,

but I really appreciate it.

336

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But it was something

it was something endearing

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about her character

that I just really, really loved.

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So yeah, I would definitely say

those those two.

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Played by the great Taraji P Henson.

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Yes, Yes.

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DynoWright, Your favorite character

besides DJay?

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Besides DJay, I enjoyed Shelby.

343

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Of course, the musician in me was like,

Yeah, I'm down with the musician.

344

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DJ Qualls is so good as Garth

345

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in Supernatural,

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one of the one of the sort of side

character

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demon hunters.

348

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But I enjoyed

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DJ Qualls in this Shelby.

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DJ Qualls, like a skinny, nerdy

looking type fella,

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and he's got the skills deejaying.

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I remember him vividly from the movie

Road Trip, which was one of those,

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I think, nineties comedies,

just goofball comedies.

354

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And ironically, talking about hip

hop, we’re Hip Hop Movie Club.

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There was a

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remember,

there's a memorable scene in that when he

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starts dancing

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to “It's Tricky” - so if you looked

that up, look up, “It's Tricky.

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DJ Qualls” So

maybe we could put that in the show notes.

360

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It's pretty funny, his little skinny white

dude like stick skinny, like,

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like 90 pounds soaking wet and

362

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he gets some

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some street cred, so to speak, from

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busting out to It's Tricky by Run-D.M.C.

365

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Yeah I like that in that movie had

When they were all leaving the house

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he's giving dap to everybody.

367

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Everybody knew him on the way out.

368

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Well.

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Like the skinniest dude.

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Everybody knew him.

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I liked him in that.

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And I also liked them in The New Guy too,

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that was a wacky movie.

374

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But he was funny in that.

375

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In Hustle & Flow,

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it was funny when they were like

smoking a joint or something.

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And he he got

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he was cracking me up with the dialog

between these guys was was

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pretty funny in this movie.

380

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He got real deep.

381

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Yeah yeah.

382

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I'm sorry.

383

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I don't remember the exact quotes,

but it was.

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It was.

385

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It was worth watching.

386

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That was funny.

387

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We haven’t touched on

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Key, the character Key,

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played by Anthony Anderson,

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who's been in a million, a million things.

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So he was kind of like a straight edge

guide.

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His life on the straight and narrow

and but he had gone to school with DJay.,

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but he was all about

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building up a studio, and they hooked up.

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So he was trying to balance,

you know, kind of

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navigating

397

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his time in the recording studio,

398

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having to deal with DJay

and the prostitutes,

399

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and just to find out what his wife,

Yvette, was really straight edge.

400

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That was an interesting dynamic.

401

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She wasn't happy at all about that.

402

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The hanging out of the house house

with a bunch of prostitutes.

403

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I mean, justifiably so.

404

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I mean, granted, he wasn't

he wasn't even tempted in the least bit.

405

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He was all about just doing the music.

406

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It was all optics.

407

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Optics weren't working in his favor,

Right.

408

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Yeah.

409

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There was a funny quote that I recorded

410

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from Key's dialogue.

411

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Anthony Anderson's

character said There's two types of people

412

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those that talk the talk

and those that walk the walk.

413

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People who walk the walk sometimes talk.

414

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The talk, but most times they don't

talk at all because they walk in.

415

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Now, people who talk the talk,

when it comes

416

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time for them to walk the walk,

you know what they do? They talk.

417

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They talk. People like me to walk, walk.

418

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I was just like, What?

419

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My head was spinning,

but it made a lot of sense.

420

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It did eventually make sense.

421

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It did make sense.

422

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Yeah.

423

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I was cracking up with that.

424

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So back to Nola's character.

425

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She's played by Taryn Manning.

426

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Where have we seen her before?

427

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Boogie You recall?

428

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Yeah, I remember her.

429

00:21:09,208 --> 00:21:12,791

She was B-Rabbit’s ex-girlfriend

in 8 Mile.

430

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Janine Yeah.

431

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It was funny because I looked at her

and I said,

432

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Wait a minute, I know her from somewhere

and I couldn't put my finger on it.

433

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And then my mom was like yeah,

she was in 8 Mile.

434

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I was like oh yeah!

435

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There we go.

436

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Yeah.

437

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Researching,

she's been in a lot of things.

438

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She was in Orange is the New Black,

439

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which was a popular Netflix series

for many years.

440

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Now DJay’s rapping style.

441

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Like I said, he was he was good.

442

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Those tracks

that he put out really catchy.

443

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Whose style do you think he was most

similar to?

444

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Is there another rapper out there

that kind of sounds like this?

445

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I'm getting this type of vibe from.

446

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What do you guys think?

447

00:22:06,250 --> 00:22:09,958

You know, I was I was going

I kept going back and forth to him

448

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that when I was trying to figure out

who kind of reminded me of,

449

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I think with the like, walk that through

450

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the chorus, it was kind of like

451

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Lil John and the Eastside Boyz,

almost the chorus.

452

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I think, his flow

kind of reminded me a little bit of T.I.

453

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Little bit Too $hort, definitely.

454

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I mean, I would never could put it compare

to anyone in in the Northeast or

455

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so there was the music as the typical

Southern drawl, something maybe

456

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Slim Thug, maybe a little too.

457

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Yeah.

458

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I listed Too $hort

459

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as one that I compared him to,

or maybe a little bit of Master P.

460

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Okay.

461

00:22:57,125 --> 00:22:59,833

And then he had a little bit of that

462

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gruff

sounds like DMX, not to that extreme,

463

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but the way he came out with that Whoop

That Trick, it was kind of

464

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like the the cadence of it

maybe a little bit.

465

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Yeah, because it's in your face. Yeah.

466

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Yeah.

467

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So I was thinking like a combination

like DMX, Master P and Too $hort.

468

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DynoWright, any other comparisons?

469

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I probably, I agree

totally on the Southern rapper thing.

470

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I think it was definitely

some kind of Southern rapper

471

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archetype.

472

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I thought there was a little bit

of Ludacris in it.

473

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Not much.

474

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And like, like one like

475

00:23:38,166 --> 00:23:38,875

whiff

476

00:23:38,875 --> 00:23:41,875

of Tupac was not like the subject

matter was not the same.

477

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But I think there was something

in the lyrical delivery.

478

00:23:45,541 --> 00:23:46,250

There's something in there.

479

00:23:46,250 --> 00:23:49,833

I was like,

I thought, I've heard this in Tupac maybe.

480

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But yeah, I would agree

that there's a Southern at least

481

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a Southern rapper thing going on there.

482

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Yeah, it makes sense.

483

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Memphis is where it takes place.

484

00:24:01,333 --> 00:24:03,750

And we were joking before.

485

00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:08,833

The way Terrence Howard says “man”. Man,

486

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“Stop playing man.” Stop playing man.

487

00:24:13,208 --> 00:24:13,791

It was great.

488

00:24:13,791 --> 00:24:18,750

Every time he would say that, I was just

chuckling to myself.

489

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Terrence Howard

490

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has had an interesting career.

491

00:24:25,166 --> 00:24:27,333

One of his first roles was in Dead

Presidents,

492

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which we haven't even reviewed yet.

493

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Maybe we will add that to our list.

494

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He was in Mr.

495

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Holland's Opus, Crash, Ray with Jamie Foxx

496

00:24:37,125 --> 00:24:38,000

and a ton of things, and

497

00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:42,750

he was the Colonel James Rhodes

in the first

498

00:24:42,833 --> 00:24:45,000

of the newer Iron Man movies

499

00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,000

from 2008 in the MCU.

500

00:24:48,250 --> 00:24:53,500

What were some of the other highlights

from Terrence Howard's career

501

00:24:53,583 --> 00:24:56,916

and any other comments

on some of these roles?

502

00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,083

Yeah, I mean,

I think he's a very versatile actor.

503

00:25:00,083 --> 00:25:03,708

I mean, the only thing that drives me

crazy is with his.

504

00:25:03,833 --> 00:25:05,125

the man.

505

00:25:05,125 --> 00:25:07,541

He can’t shake it.

506

00:25:07,541 --> 00:25:10,041

Other than that,

I think he's he's a very good actor.

507

00:25:10,041 --> 00:25:15,541

I mean, like, I love him in the Best Man

movie franchise.

508

00:25:15,625 --> 00:25:17,708

Best Man, Best Man Holiday,

509

00:25:17,708 --> 00:25:22,583

and the still continuing series of Best

Man final chapters.

510

00:25:22,666 --> 00:25:24,750

He is a very great actor.

511

00:25:24,750 --> 00:25:26,833

I mean, he gives you

512

00:25:26,833 --> 00:25:27,791

all of the emotions.

513

00:25:27,791 --> 00:25:30,416

They'll make you crack up and make you

514

00:25:30,500 --> 00:25:32,791

want to choke him.

515

00:25:32,791 --> 00:25:34,083

He gets real serious.

516

00:25:34,083 --> 00:25:37,083

He shows a loyalty in those as well.

517

00:25:37,291 --> 00:25:41,708

And I think another role that I loved him

in also

518

00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:43,708

was Pride.

519

00:25:43,708 --> 00:25:45,916

I can't remember the characters, but Pride

520

00:25:45,916 --> 00:25:49,125

is a story of

521

00:25:49,208 --> 00:25:51,708

a local swim team from Philadelphia.

522

00:25:51,708 --> 00:25:55,375

They start off at one of the

523

00:25:55,458 --> 00:25:56,916

recreation centers

524

00:25:56,916 --> 00:26:00,250

that they were supposed to close down,

but he ends up

525

00:26:00,333 --> 00:26:04,833

taking to some of the local kids

in the area and creating a swim team,

526

00:26:04,916 --> 00:26:07,375

and they actually go out and compete

527

00:26:07,375 --> 00:26:10,333

and become extremely successful.

528

00:26:10,333 --> 00:26:13,333

And it's a very good movie.

529

00:26:13,375 --> 00:26:17,791

And I think that his portrayal in that

movie was excellent.

530

00:26:17,875 --> 00:26:19,041

That's one of my favorite movies.

531

00:26:19,041 --> 00:26:20,916

I watched that

532

00:26:20,916 --> 00:26:22,916

probably a couple times in the last

533

00:26:22,916 --> 00:26:26,125

few weeks.

534

00:26:26,208 --> 00:26:27,583

But yeah, I think he's a good actor.

535

00:26:27,583 --> 00:26:28,166

He's great.

536

00:26:28,166 --> 00:26:31,083

I mean, I don't know all the ins and outs

of what happened with him.

537

00:26:31,083 --> 00:26:37,750

With the MCU deal playing Rhodey Rhodes

in the Iron Man and also the recurring

538

00:26:37,833 --> 00:26:39,708

movies. But

539

00:26:39,708 --> 00:26:42,041

yeah, I was that was a sucky move.

540

00:26:42,041 --> 00:26:45,166

Whatever happened or because he could have

he could have

541

00:26:45,166 --> 00:26:48,375

delivered.

542

00:26:48,458 --> 00:26:50,791

I understand it was a money problem.

543

00:26:50,791 --> 00:26:53,791

Wanted more money.

544

00:26:53,875 --> 00:26:56,833

Yeah we we discussed that

my son is huge in the MCU

545

00:26:56,833 --> 00:26:58,791

and we're always like, man,

this could have been Terrence Howard,

546

00:26:58,791 --> 00:27:01,791

but he was replaced by Don

Cheadle in the sequels for Iron

547

00:27:01,791 --> 00:27:05,916

Man and Don Cheadle is great actor

in his own right.

548

00:27:05,958 --> 00:27:09,375

yeah.

549

00:27:09,458 --> 00:27:13,375

Rhodey and then War Machine and

550

00:27:13,458 --> 00:27:14,500

so many other roles.

551

00:27:14,500 --> 00:27:20,458

But yeah, it's interesting how that didn't

pan out for Terrence Howard,

552

00:27:20,541 --> 00:27:25,375

but yet money is at the root of a lot of,

553

00:27:25,458 --> 00:27:27,333

you know, arguments or discussions here.

554

00:27:27,333 --> 00:27:31,083

But and we can't forget

555

00:27:31,166 --> 00:27:33,833

they spent all that time reunited

with Taraji P

556

00:27:33,833 --> 00:27:37,291

Henson in Empire, which I've never seen,

but I understand it's great.

557

00:27:37,375 --> 00:27:38,958

Yeah. So.

558

00:27:38,958 --> 00:27:42,541

Yeah. Get Rich or Die

Tryin’. Five years, five seasons.

559

00:27:42,625 --> 00:27:48,583

Yes he is.

560

00:27:48,666 --> 00:27:51,958

We're going to review it next.

561

00:27:52,041 --> 00:27:54,083

That’s next, yep.

562

00:27:54,083 --> 00:27:56,500

Terrence

Howard was nominated for the Academy Award

563

00:27:56,500 --> 00:28:00,500

for best actor for his role as DJay.

564

00:28:00,583 --> 00:28:02,666

And do you remember

565

00:28:02,666 --> 00:28:05,666

“It's Hard Out Here for a Pimp” won

566

00:28:05,708 --> 00:28:08,666

the award for

567

00:28:08,666 --> 00:28:10,375

one of the awards for Best Song.

568

00:28:10,375 --> 00:28:11,041

Best Original song.

569

00:28:11,041 --> 00:28:12,291

Original song, Yeah.

570

00:28:12,291 --> 00:28:14,958

By Three 6 Mafia, right?

571

00:28:14,958 --> 00:28:15,416

Is that it?

572

00:28:15,416 --> 00:28:18,791

So ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Ding.

573

00:28:18,875 --> 00:28:24,166

So let's talk about, let’s

talk about the soundtrack a little bit.

574

00:28:24,250 --> 00:28:26,250

The songs by Terrence Howard as

575

00:28:26,250 --> 00:28:30,541

DJay are on here, which is great.

576

00:28:30,625 --> 00:28:32,750

Hard out here for a pimp.

577

00:28:32,750 --> 00:28:36,083

Who else appears on the soundtrack?

578

00:28:36,166 --> 00:28:42,958

Juvenile, E-40, 8Ball,

579

00:28:43,041 --> 00:28:44,666

T.I. that you mentioned, yep.

580

00:28:44,666 --> 00:28:45,833

Lil Scrappy.

581

00:28:45,833 --> 00:28:50,208

Yep. Webbie, Lil Boosie.

582

00:28:50,291 --> 00:28:53,166

Yeah.

583

00:28:53,166 --> 00:28:57,208

He had the We in Charge skit.

584

00:28:57,291 --> 00:28:58,125

And the bum guys get.

585

00:28:58,125 --> 00:29:03,416

So Arnel was like the restaurant's

slash club owner played by Isaac Hayes.

586

00:29:03,416 --> 00:29:06,666

The late Isaac Hayes. Yeah.

587

00:29:06,750 --> 00:29:08,750

It's always good to see him on film.

588

00:29:08,750 --> 00:29:10,958

Absolutely. Yeah.

589

00:29:10,958 --> 00:29:13,166

True legend in the game.

590

00:29:13,166 --> 00:29:15,875

For sure. Yeah.

591

00:29:15,875 --> 00:29:16,708

Yeah. Who else?

592

00:29:16,708 --> 00:29:19,583

So we mentioned Ludacris plays

Skinny Black.

593

00:29:19,583 --> 00:29:22,583

I just love the name Skinny Black is like

594

00:29:22,791 --> 00:29:26,750

you two adjectives to describe this guy.

595

00:29:26,833 --> 00:29:29,500

He’s skinny and he's black.

596

00:29:29,500 --> 00:29:31,625

Done. Done!

597

00:29:31,625 --> 00:29:36,083

And does this precede the Fast

and the Furious franchise?

598

00:29:36,083 --> 00:29:38,958

I'm not sure, but this was 2005.

599

00:29:38,958 --> 00:29:41,083

I don't know when that started, but.

600

00:29:41,083 --> 00:29:43,250

Nah, he was in 2 Fast 2 Furious.

601

00:29:43,250 --> 00:29:46,041

Okay. So he was in that one at least.

602

00:29:46,041 --> 00:29:47,333

Yeah. Yeah.

603

00:29:47,333 --> 00:29:54,000

So yeah, 2 Fast

2 Furious was 2003 and this was 2005. So

604

00:29:54,083 --> 00:29:56,166

I mean it's not the

605

00:29:56,166 --> 00:29:59,750

we're up to what now 56 of these

606

00:29:59,833 --> 00:30:02,375

Fast and Furious movies?

607

00:30:02,375 --> 00:30:03,500

There’s at least ten.

608

00:30:03,500 --> 00:30:09,291

Got in on the ground floor. Yeah

609

00:30:09,375 --> 00:30:10,708

I think the one

610

00:30:10,708 --> 00:30:14,708

I love this song

that I love though on this track was

611

00:30:14,791 --> 00:30:19,541

was also done by DJay

was that the Hustle and Flow song?

612

00:30:19,625 --> 00:30:23,125

I like that one

613

00:30:23,208 --> 00:30:24,125

traffic of the chorus,

614

00:30:24,125 --> 00:30:30,041

but should sing the chorus

on that one as well.

615

00:30:30,125 --> 00:30:34,458

When he had a best one where he had

Nola kissed the mike

616

00:30:34,541 --> 00:30:39,291

before he performed it with Yvette,

came over with the sandwiches.

617

00:30:39,375 --> 00:30:41,333

Yes. That song.

618

00:30:41,333 --> 00:30:44,208

I love that song too. It’s mellow.

619

00:30:44,208 --> 00:30:48,666

I could, I could cruise in that,

listening to that song.

620

00:30:48,708 --> 00:30:48,916

Yeah.

621

00:30:48,916 --> 00:30:53,916

Sadly, Isaac

Hayes died a few years after this film.

622

00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,458

This film was from 2005 He died in 2008.

623

00:30:57,500 --> 00:30:58,375

Yeah.

624

00:30:58,375 --> 00:31:00,166

At age 65.

625

00:31:00,166 --> 00:31:02,125

Didn't realize he was gone that long.

626

00:31:02,125 --> 00:31:05,125

Yeah,

627

00:31:05,166 --> 00:31:08,541

he was the chef on South Park too.

628

00:31:08,625 --> 00:31:10,583

That's been a resurgence.

629

00:31:10,583 --> 00:31:14,041

There was, as I say,

he did a storied career in

630

00:31:14,125 --> 00:31:17,458

music and film and

631

00:31:17,541 --> 00:31:19,583

he brought it back there.

632

00:31:19,583 --> 00:31:24,666

Yeah one of the greats right there.

633

00:31:24,708 --> 00:31:27,708

You guys want to go round do ourratings

for the film Hustle and Flow?

634

00:31:27,958 --> 00:31:30,250

All right, Boogie,

635

00:31:30,250 --> 00:31:33,250

bring that funky flick back

(Bring that funky flick back)

636

00:31:33,416 --> 00:31:35,833

or leave it in the vault.

637

00:31:35,833 --> 00:31:38,833

Bring that funky flick back.

638

00:31:38,833 --> 00:31:41,041

DynoWright?

639

00:31:41,041 --> 00:31:44,958

Bring that funky flick back.

640

00:31:45,041 --> 00:31:46,083

Myself.

641

00:31:46,083 --> 00:31:46,916

Whoop That Trick.

642

00:31:46,916 --> 00:31:50,708

I mean, bring that funky flick back.

643

00:31:50,791 --> 00:31:53,000

This is very entertaining.

644

00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:53,750

Musical.

645

00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:56,125

It had

646

00:31:56,125 --> 00:31:58,416

drama,

647

00:31:58,416 --> 00:32:01,416

intensity, violence, music, hip hop.

648

00:32:01,458 --> 00:32:06,625

It's checked

all the boxes you bring it back.

649

00:32:06,708 --> 00:32:09,333

It's one you should see.

650

00:32:09,333 --> 00:32:10,583

This is definitely worth watching.

651

00:32:10,583 --> 00:32:17,916

Yeah,

652

00:32:17,958 --> 00:32:19,750

this probably was rated

well on Rotten Tomatoes.

653

00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:22,583

Let's see 82%

654

00:32:22,583 --> 00:32:25,375

tomatometer and 83% audience score.

655

00:32:25,375 --> 00:32:27,208

A lot of times

those two don't really jive.

656

00:32:27,208 --> 00:32:30,833

Sometimes audience likes it much more than

657

00:32:30,916 --> 00:32:33,500

the critics or vice versa.

658

00:32:33,500 --> 00:32:36,500

But yeah, this is loved by many.

659

00:32:36,500 --> 00:32:37,750

We're all in agreement.

660

00:32:37,750 --> 00:32:40,958

That's right. It's not a perfect film,

661

00:32:40,958 --> 00:32:43,958

but it's definitely enjoyable,

definitely entertaining.

662

00:32:44,166 --> 00:32:46,541

That'll give you all of the emotions.

663

00:32:46,541 --> 00:32:49,541

And this was John Singleton, right?

664

00:32:49,625 --> 00:32:50,541

He was the producer.

665

00:32:50,541 --> 00:32:51,500

He produced it.

666

00:32:51,500 --> 00:32:54,708

Okay. He's one of them. Let’s see.

667

00:32:54,750 --> 00:32:55,500

Craig Brewer.

668

00:32:55,500 --> 00:32:58,250

Brewer That's that's

669

00:32:58,250 --> 00:33:10,958

written and directed by Craig Brewer.

670

00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:11,750

Bring it!

671

00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:12,833

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672

00:33:12,833 --> 00:33:15,833

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673

00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:21,541

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674

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681

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