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Welcome to Hip Hop Movie Club, the show that harmonizes the rhythm of Hip Hop with the

magic of movies.

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Today we'll be debating the topic, which movie is more relevant today?

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Do the Right Thing or Boyz n the Hood?

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We're three old heads who put their old heads together to vibe on these films for you.

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I'm DynoWright, podcaster, filmmaker, longtime Hip Hop fan, and I say to my co -hosts:

kick that old robotic futuristic George Jetson crazy joint.

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I'm JB, 80s and 90s nostalgia junkie, long time Hip Hop fan.

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And I just recently discovered the Hip Hop duo Joey Valance and Brea or JVB and I'm kind

of digging their early Beastie Boys vibe.

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I'm Boogie, a DJ, long time Hip Hop fan, and I'm so hyped to hang with my man Ed Lover on

Friday for his event.

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Ed Lover presents Mixtape Band Live at SOB's.

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Okay.

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So we'll get right into it.

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As DynoWright kicked us off at the intro,

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we will be talking about two classic Hip Hop movies

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Do the Right Thing and Boyz n the Hood.

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And specifically, which is more relevant today?

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A lot of poignant themes here and important topics in both movies.

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But let's see which one holds more relevance in today's world.

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BooGie, you want to kick us off with talking about your take on both sides?

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Yeah, so I'm really straddling the fence with this one.

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I mean, as far as Do the Right Thing is concerned, it's probably one of my favorite

movies.

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Glad we were able to review it for the podcast, but it talks about all kinds of themes

going on in that movie.

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mean, talking about segregated neighborhoods, know, Bed -Stuy neighborhood in Brooklyn,

predominantly Black, but then it's also dealing with animosity towards immigrants in the

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neighborhood.

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We have...

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police brutality, but unfortunately, you know, in the movie as well.

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But it just, you know, it's super poignant and it just, you know, it grabs you and then it

doesn't really want to let you go.

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And I love the way Spike Lee put that movie together.

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So, Boyz n the Hood, they have John Singleton's take on South Central LA and the violent

culture that existed out there at the time.

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I shouldn't say at the time because there are some pockets that still going on right now.

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But we also see incidents of police brutality, drug culture, with Doughboy selling drugs

in the neighborhood.

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We see a big theme that comes up in the movie is gentrification.

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We see Furious Styles give us a moving monologue and breaks down exactly what

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gentrification means and how it affects the neighborhood.

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But yeah, I remember when that movie first dropped and it was it was eye opening.

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It's like, in your face.

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mean, nobody - Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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lifted the hood off of South Central.

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Like you hear about it, hear about some things in the music, but this is what these

teenagers had to grow up with.

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And to your point on gentrification, and we were chatting before, that was the first time

I ever heard that term.

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How a lot of the historically Black neighborhoods were just, you know.

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being overrun and folks were being forced out to try to make it a more palatable community

for more wealthy folks.

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And it's just, again, that piece is definitely relevant today.

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Fast forward.

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BooGie, you shared a, was it Instagram clip or something?

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And they showed the home values and the look of the neighborhood and you can't afford, you

know, nobody lower.

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middle income could afford these houses that are literally where Doughboy grew up in the

movie.

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The prices are astronomically ridiculous.

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It's like half a million dollars and up for, and you see, and you look at the movie, you

see the houses, not super big, they're like modest sized houses.

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They're not huge at all, not in the least bit.

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But yeah, you can get like a nice big house out here for that price.

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You would also put these thoughts in your head about why is there a liquor store in every corner

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and all those types of things and the whole crack epidemic that all those theories

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behind it, these folks did not create that drug.

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It was likely planted by folks and they wanted to kill each other and force people out.

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So just really eye -opening for Boyz n the Hood for sure.

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Definitely, both films resonate today.

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For me, Do the Right Thing, and again, this might be a bit of an East Coast bias.

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I think it's more relatable to a broader range of people because it's that intense racism.

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And they talk about, like you said, even immigrants.

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It was a lot of racism against Mookie and the Black community.

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They're using every nasty epithet you could think of, N -word and others, but the Italians

and the Korean store owners, et cetera.

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How everybody tries to get by with their differences and the intensity of it.

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It was palpable, the hottest day of the year.

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And obviously culminating with Radio Raheem's tragic death at the hands of police.

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Fast forward to the past few years and all the other different

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episodes over unfortunate incidents over the years in which

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people of color have died at the hands of police, either

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through misunderstanding or just by straight up brutality and all the way up through

George Floyd, et cetera.

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And like, wow, that was ahead of its time of putting this on film from Spike Lee.

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Yeah, I mean, there's been several hashtags just this year

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that have circulated, you know, from unfortunate interactions with police.

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You know, people have been shot and killed in their own homes.

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You know, call the police, the police respond and they end up dead.

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Unfortunately, there's way so many incidents, but this came out in, was it 1989?

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Right?

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Just like the song says!

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And you can say Fight the Power, 1989 Another summer get down, sound of the funky drummer.

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I mean, to put that out on film at that time,

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unfortunately, these same things, these racial tensions and police brutality.

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the social activism was out there and still strong today.

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So, well, my take is like both films were excellent.

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I mean, it's kind of like trying to pick a favorite child, so to speak.

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It's like, if you're trying to pick a favorite or saying which is more relevant, they're both so relevant

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and they should both be required viewing for any Hip Hop fan.

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Actually, I would think sociology classes.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah, throughout the country should be required viewing film classes, sociology classes.

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I think the difference is like, think John Singleton, this was, I think he went to USC film

school and like this was he had, you could see that he actually structured it perfectly

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with the cinematography and the opening and the closing, like he did it.

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whereas Do the Right Thing was a lot more raw, I think.

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And that's why I think it's a little bit more relatable in my opinion.

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Yeah, and I think too because even like that

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Boyz n the Hood, that culture, the lingo, the way they talk and carry themselves, it's very specific.

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Whereas Do the Right Thing, even though it takes place in Bed-Stuy Brooklyn

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It's more of a generalization.

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Like you could find most neighborhoods where people would walk, talk, or dress like that.

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You know, even the background.

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Like anywhere you go, any major city, you know, I could go out here

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find a neighborhood that looks exactly like that.

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You know, whereas, you know, trying to find a neighborhood that looks like a neighborhood

of Boyz n the Hood, I'd probably have to go out there to find it, you know.

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DynoWright, what are your takes on, know, I guess the differences between the two films

and relevancy of those?

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kind of two sides of the same coin, like two sides of the same country.

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If you're looking for themes about racial tensions.

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and police brutality, then Do the Right Thing is the movie that you would resonate with.

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if you're looking for like systemic issues like gentrification and urban violence,

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more of the socioeconomic kind of thing, then Boyz n the Hood is your movie.

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So yeah, I guess depending on the day, you can ask which one's more relevant.

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The next time we hear about another person of color suffering the...

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police brutality you think about

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Do the Right Thing, but if you're thinking about

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but if you're thinking about larger like macroeconomics, maybe Boyz n the Hood is your movie.

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Yeah, there's a lesson about, like you said, systemic racism and the cycle of poverty and violence.

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That whole cycle thing, I think, is prevalent in Boyz n the Hood.

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And there's lesson about mentorship and having positive role models to help try to break that cycle

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in Boyz n the Hood as well, which is very, very prominent.

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Yeah, you don't really see older figures being the type of mentor types in Do the Right Thing

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unless you count Samuel Jackson or something like...

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The mayor wasn't really someone to look up to that much.

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Right. Yeah.

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The town drunk.

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He was strung out a bit.

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He wasn't really it.

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But Furious Styles is a really good and I think underrated part of Boyz n the Hood.

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Of Boyz n the Hood.

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yeah, sure.

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Yeah, Laurence Fishburne was, he killed it in that movie.

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was phenomenal performance.

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Yeah.

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And it was funny because I remember watching that movie

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and I never even thought about it until I started watching that movie.

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you know, I look right out here on my avenue right here.

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There's a right as soon as I turn the corner, look across the street, there's a liquor store.

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I go to that liquor store, walk to the next walk on the same same avenue, go one block over.

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And it's another liquor store next to a check cashing place.

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You know, and it's like, wow.

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It's like, why are things the way they are? You know?

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you touched on it earlier, JB, you said, you know, they didn't, the drugs didn't get here on their own.

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You know, it's like, neither did the guns.

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You know, the guns came from somewhere.

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even if they were illegally owned by the people in the neighborhoods, someone had to

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And wasn't the people in that neighborhood that was doing it.

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So it's like little things like that, the influx of drugs.

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And the one thing that, the crack epidemic hit the urban neighborhood like a nuclear bomb.

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Like I remember specifically,

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how nice my neighborhood was prior to the crack epidemic.

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And it just destroyed the neighborhood.

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I mean, granted now it's not as bad,

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but I remember like people that I would see regularly

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that I knew, just

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all of a sudden just walking up and down the street like zombies.

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You know, people that I knew, I would have conversations with them.

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Now I see them, they're like clueless, spaced out.

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And you know Doughboy was hustling.

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And you see people in the neighborhood like that.

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And it's just like, wow.

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But the way the movie breaks it down, like, it makes you think.

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It makes you wonder.

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like, yeah, we didn't do this.

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The neighborhood didn't do this to itself.

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It's almost intentional.

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It came from somewhere.

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Yeah.

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we watched Fight the Power, which was a documentary series on PBS that

Chuck D had produced.

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And it's kind of like the war on drugs had got a theme of, more or less pushing people

out, almost like the war on people of color.

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It's kind of like there's a whole theory behind that.

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And I'm not going to get too political, but

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it really opens your eyes and these films kind of put that out there as well.

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Other differences like, Do the Right Thing to me, l

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like the themes of that racism and they talk about the Howard Beach incident

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and you really feel for Mookie what he's going

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through.

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It's kind of like he's oppressed by his boss played by Danny Aiello.

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and he's called different names, but he kind of deals with it because he needs the job

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and he kind of says, he's not that bad.

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But that's one of those things, like

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people put up with this, they just put up with it and they don't tend to fight back sometimes.

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It's kind of like it comes with the territory and it really shouldn't be that way.

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And the song Fight the Power as the anthem, mean, that, it just gets ingrained in your head and...

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The fact that that became such an anthem is, you know, to fight the oppression.

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Spike Lee did an amazing job with that, that song that he had commissioned Public Enemy to do for that.

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to this day, it's such a strong message there.

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Whereas I think in Boyz n the Hood, it's more of like a coming of age story.

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has more of a plot.

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Like I said, Singleton followed.

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his film classes and how it should be done.

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He did a masterful job.

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And again, he's pulling the curtain back on how to navigate life as teens in South

Central.

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There's a lot of gangs, violence, and the shattering of the dreams.

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You know, like Ricky was going to be a star athlete and unfortunately he's gunned down.

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It's just so powerful.

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But I think if you're not in that area with the South Central, it's a great lesson.

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But for me, just pulled a little bit more towards Do the Right Thing

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as a social political commentary of racial tensions and race relations.

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That's an interesting point that you made JB as far as the Mookie having to deal with the day to day struggle.

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Because that's really a lot of what happens in real life.

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It's like people deal with the racism, be it covert or overt,

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but most of the time they don't even react unless it's somebody specifically calling them an N -word.

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It's like even their day to day life is so delved in racism that they don't even realize that's what's...

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what's on their back and they're just struggling to try to deal with the stress of going from day to day and surviving.

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And I'm hopeful that we've evolved as a society in terms of people being able to speak out.

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Unfortunately, as you see, there's a lot of violence and a lot of racism still.

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We're still a long way from eradicating all of racism.

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But yet people often suppress their feelings and then you see it all bubbles over

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and with Mookie throwing the trash can and you suppress those feelings, you'll get them out.

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That's kind of what happens there.

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So super powerful stories, both of these movies.

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It's so hard to say which is more relevant.

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have a slight leaning toward, a slight leaning for me is

Do the Right Thing.

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But Boyz n the Hood, like is a movie that I think is more finely crafted.

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And if you say, wanna watch this one and I watched that more

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times probably than Do the Right Thing, just because I pick up more on those.

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higher socioeconomic type issues.

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definitely two sides to the same coin, as DynoWright stated.

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Yeah, for sure.

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So I don't know if we have a definitive answer here.

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DynoWright, you were asked to say, need one answer

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and say, which is more relevant today, what would you say out of these two?

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It's tough.

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That's really tough.

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It's really tough.

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I think I even said this in our review of Boyz n the Hood.

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John Singleton had the benefit of having seen what happened with Do the Right Thing and

watching and all that.

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And so when Boyz n the Hood comes out two years later, he can build on what Spike Lee did

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And in some ways, I enjoyed Boyz n the Hood because of that, because it had

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It was able to expand on some of the things that Spike Lee established in his film.

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And so when I recommend a film to somebody, I might go with Boyz n the Hood a little more.

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I think the misogyny in the Do the Right Thing.

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Not that it wasn't relevant or accurate or important to the story because it was, but.

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I think there was less of it, I guess, in Boyz n the Hood, and so it was a tighter kind of

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I think when you said it's more finely crafted, I think that's part of it.

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What he basically did to Rosie Perez it's really bad.

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So there really is two sides of the same coin.

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Yeah, no, true.

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And Spike Lee was passed over for a nomination for Do the Right Thing for Best Director.

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He did not get nominated, but John Singleton became the first African -American to earn

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that Best Director nomination for Boyz n the Hood, and deservedly so for Singleton.

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But you're right, it's like sometimes someone crawls so that other people can walk.

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Sometimes the person, I think this was mentioned at our live event,

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somebody, one of the audience members said, you know, the first person through the wall gets a little bit

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bloodied, right?

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So I think that really fits this.

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It's like Spike Lee, you know, like he got snubbed,

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but unfortunately there was misogyny, it's a learning experience.

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It wasn't perfect.

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And not to say that Boyz n the was perfect, but definitely it was a lot more polished.

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I do agree.

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Like if someone says I recommend one movie to watch

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between the two, I recommend probably Boyz n the Hood because of the plot line, the coming of age.

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I'm a big fan of the coming of age stories.

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again, the socioeconomic messages and societal issues for sure.

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You really can't go wrong with either one.

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No, you really can't.

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Really, you need to see both of them as a unit.

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It almost feel like Spike Lee has been in the public eye for so many years.

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Unfortunately, John Singleton's life was cut short at an early age and Spike Lee has been kind of a bit of self -promoter.

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Like he's always at the Knicks games at the court side

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and he's done a lot of, all those Nike commercials over the years and he's done a lot more, a lot more films in his

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filmography because he's lived much a longer life,

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but that kind of keeps him in the spotlight and he's more able to, he's more visible and it's like a constant reminder of.

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some of the classic movies as he's put out such as Do the Right Thing.

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If listeners, if you haven't seen either of these or one or the other, you must go back and watch them.

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Absolutely.

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Put a disclaimer out there, the violence is there and the language is very harsh, but both highly recommended viewing.

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Both films are true to life.

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Yeah, for sure.

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accurate depictions of life back then, or even life now.

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I have a teenage son and he's watched

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these films and he realizes how

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relevant they are and important, these are important films.

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we should also mention that we have another screening in November

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of Boyz n the Hood at Steel Stacks.

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And remember, don't hate, educate.

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It's back to school time, y 'all.

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School is cool.

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Boy!

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That's right.

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and definitely come out and check Boyz n Hood on the big screen if you haven't seen it.

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Worthwhile experience.

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mm -hmm, mm -hmm.

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Looking forward to that.