1 00:00:16,698 --> 00:00:20,047 DJ Sir Daniel: Greetings and welcome to another episode of Queue Points podcast. 2 00:00:20,048 --> 00:00:21,738 I'm DJ Sir Daniel. 3 00:00:21,949 --> 00:00:25,319 Jay Ray: my name is Jay Ray, sometimes known by my government as Johnnie Ray 4 00:00:25,319 --> 00:00:27,709 Kornegay, the third and Sir Daniel. 5 00:00:27,749 --> 00:00:32,739 In this moment, we need to talk about comprehension and understanding. 6 00:00:32,749 --> 00:00:33,579 There is so much 7 00:00:33,848 --> 00:00:33,918 DJ Sir Daniel: Woo. 8 00:00:34,099 --> 00:00:34,469 Jay Ray: in the world. 9 00:00:34,638 --> 00:00:37,118 DJ Sir Daniel: What I need from y'all is understanding. 10 00:00:37,368 --> 00:00:43,418 Listen, it seems like every time Kendrick Lamar releases music, 11 00:00:43,689 --> 00:00:44,029 Jay Ray: Oh, yeah. 12 00:00:44,128 --> 00:00:48,998 DJ Sir Daniel: there's like, A rash of industry chatter that results in 13 00:00:48,998 --> 00:00:51,488 someone getting in their feelings 14 00:00:51,649 --> 00:00:51,869 Jay Ray: Every 15 00:00:52,018 --> 00:00:53,868 DJ Sir Daniel: and every single time. 16 00:00:53,908 --> 00:00:56,718 And it's just like, is anybody listening? 17 00:00:56,888 --> 00:00:58,048 Turn this on. 18 00:00:58,158 --> 00:00:59,618 I need y'all to turn this on. 19 00:00:59,628 --> 00:01:01,678 Listen, listen to what's saying. 20 00:01:01,988 --> 00:01:05,528 And in this episode of Queue Points, Jay Ray, we are going to talk 21 00:01:05,538 --> 00:01:09,378 about some, um, misunderstandings because people aren't listening. 22 00:01:09,418 --> 00:01:11,158 People aren't listening to comprehend. 23 00:01:11,518 --> 00:01:13,828 People are listening so they can make their point. 24 00:01:14,219 --> 00:01:16,599 So in the song whacked out murals. 25 00:01:16,599 --> 00:01:18,639 Jay Ray Kendrick spits the following. 26 00:01:19,689 --> 00:01:21,729 I used to bump the car to three. 27 00:01:22,259 --> 00:01:25,219 I held my rollie chain proud irony. 28 00:01:25,619 --> 00:01:27,999 I think my hard work let Wayne down. 29 00:01:29,019 --> 00:01:33,109 So immediately you and I are like, oh man, he feels. 30 00:01:33,776 --> 00:01:34,076 Jay Ray: Yeah. 31 00:01:34,579 --> 00:01:36,529 DJ Sir Daniel: feels like he let down one of his heroes. 32 00:01:36,539 --> 00:01:40,009 He's, he's literally saying, I let, I let Wayne down. 33 00:01:40,329 --> 00:01:44,269 That means he had, he held, he holds that man in some form of respect. 34 00:01:44,339 --> 00:01:44,709 Right. 35 00:01:46,929 --> 00:01:50,709 But of course your cousins, Jay Ray, they got to come and say, 36 00:01:50,749 --> 00:01:53,149 Oh, Oh, Oh, he won it with Wayne. 37 00:01:53,319 --> 00:01:54,429 He trying to get Wayne. 38 00:01:54,439 --> 00:01:58,809 He he's already disrespecting him by, um, being in the Super Bowl in New Orleans. 39 00:01:59,069 --> 00:02:00,299 Now he's trying to diss Wayne. 40 00:02:00,329 --> 00:02:01,829 Oh, you about to wake the bear up. 41 00:02:03,601 --> 00:02:05,801 Jay Ray: Yeah, it's such a weird thing. 42 00:02:05,801 --> 00:02:12,751 And I think none of this would be, um, as big of a deal if little Wayne himself 43 00:02:12,781 --> 00:02:16,181 didn't jump in and give a, why am I in it? 44 00:02:16,709 --> 00:02:16,979 DJ Sir Daniel: Yeah. 45 00:02:17,081 --> 00:02:20,961 Jay Ray: you know, let the beast, you know, lie, dah, dah, dah, dah. 46 00:02:21,891 --> 00:02:25,591 And I'm like, Wayne, did you even listen to like the bar? 47 00:02:25,621 --> 00:02:28,181 Like, so this is weird to me. 48 00:02:28,411 --> 00:02:29,711 I heard this bar. 49 00:02:30,386 --> 00:02:31,826 I listened to whacked out murals. 50 00:02:32,006 --> 00:02:38,756 I was actually really tuned in to be like, is Kendrick going to diss somebody in this 51 00:02:38,766 --> 00:02:43,926 track, like opening track after not like us, is this going to be a continuation? 52 00:02:44,149 --> 00:02:44,599 DJ Sir Daniel: Right. 53 00:02:44,626 --> 00:02:47,066 Jay Ray: I was like, I left the track, not feeling that way. 54 00:02:47,096 --> 00:02:50,986 I left the track like, okay, Kendrick is going to, he's rapping. 55 00:02:50,996 --> 00:02:52,866 He is being introspective. 56 00:02:52,966 --> 00:02:56,276 He is introducing this new project, right? 57 00:02:57,631 --> 00:03:01,681 particular line is not a diss. 58 00:03:01,801 --> 00:03:02,451 It's just 59 00:03:02,579 --> 00:03:03,779 DJ Sir Daniel: It's not this. 60 00:03:04,801 --> 00:03:06,261 Jay Ray: it doesn't read like a diss. 61 00:03:06,311 --> 00:03:08,131 He didn't wrap it like a diss. 62 00:03:08,451 --> 00:03:10,661 It was more just to your point. 63 00:03:11,561 --> 00:03:13,501 I had this success. 64 00:03:13,531 --> 00:03:21,351 I have this thing that has come to me, but at the same time, I feel like I let down 65 00:03:21,351 --> 00:03:23,191 one of the people that I really respect. 66 00:03:23,981 --> 00:03:26,141 in the midst of getting this opportunity. 67 00:03:26,431 --> 00:03:28,151 That seems very straightforward to me. 68 00:03:28,421 --> 00:03:34,231 But my wonder and why we wanted to have this conversation is I wonder if we are 69 00:03:34,231 --> 00:03:37,941 in a moment where people in the mess. 70 00:03:37,941 --> 00:03:39,951 Like it is the thing that people look for. 71 00:03:39,961 --> 00:03:43,361 They just can't let it be like, Oh, but his brother is like having an 72 00:03:43,371 --> 00:03:45,081 introspective moment and that's okay. 73 00:03:46,069 --> 00:03:46,419 DJ Sir Daniel: Yeah. 74 00:03:46,459 --> 00:03:54,119 I think the bloodlust is way too strong for anybody to, at this point 75 00:03:54,429 --> 00:04:00,219 for any of the people involved for the fans, for the, the podcasters, the 76 00:04:00,229 --> 00:04:05,049 journalists, I think people are way too involved and it's making people money. 77 00:04:05,529 --> 00:04:08,369 So the bloodlust is super strong for the drama. 78 00:04:08,699 --> 00:04:10,039 And so you're absolutely right. 79 00:04:10,464 --> 00:04:18,864 So having some nuance or understanding nuance and, um, and wanting to find 80 00:04:18,904 --> 00:04:21,684 understanding would cause peace. 81 00:04:21,754 --> 00:04:23,514 And apparently nobody wants that. 82 00:04:24,014 --> 00:04:28,784 Everybody wants the rah, rah, everybody wants to dump their chest right now. 83 00:04:29,264 --> 00:04:35,104 And instead of just really celebrating good music, This has turned into 84 00:04:35,104 --> 00:04:37,014 a, well, we've seen what happens. 85 00:04:37,014 --> 00:04:38,854 This has turned into litigation. 86 00:04:39,834 --> 00:04:42,684 You know, people are getting their attorneys on the phone. 87 00:04:43,064 --> 00:04:44,414 It's, it's kind of wild. 88 00:04:44,444 --> 00:04:48,794 And when you look at it, um, the only people that are benefiting 89 00:04:49,374 --> 00:04:51,004 are, is the parent company. 90 00:04:51,421 --> 00:04:51,911 Jay Ray: Yes. 91 00:04:52,224 --> 00:04:55,624 DJ Sir Daniel: music really is the only person benefiting from all of this. 92 00:04:55,624 --> 00:04:59,764 It's like Jay Z said, nobody wins when the family feuds. 93 00:05:02,504 --> 00:05:02,944 Yeah. 94 00:05:03,016 --> 00:05:07,036 Jay Ray: is why, especially when we take a look at hip hop, um, 95 00:05:07,786 --> 00:05:14,966 because rap is so much about bravado and being the best right 96 00:05:15,464 --> 00:05:15,944 DJ Sir Daniel: Mm hmm. 97 00:05:17,926 --> 00:05:22,706 Jay Ray: I can see how it is easy for folks to get caught up. 98 00:05:22,846 --> 00:05:23,866 in the moment. 99 00:05:24,526 --> 00:05:30,446 Um, and what often happens folks is there are misunderstandings and we 100 00:05:30,446 --> 00:05:37,846 wanted to talk about a couple of honest misunderstandings in hip hop history that 101 00:05:37,856 --> 00:05:45,686 actually led to beef, but they were not based in anything that was a diss at all. 102 00:05:46,784 --> 00:05:49,764 DJ Sir Daniel: And what's funny about these hip hop misunderstandings 103 00:05:49,764 --> 00:05:53,134 that we're going to discuss is that there was no social media. 104 00:05:53,634 --> 00:05:58,704 So I'm wondering if there was social media, would this have been even worse? 105 00:05:58,724 --> 00:06:02,024 Like, would it have gotten, it probably would have caught on like 106 00:06:02,034 --> 00:06:05,114 wildfire and would have really been blown out of proportion. 107 00:06:05,594 --> 00:06:08,034 But when you told me about this one, I thought it was 108 00:06:08,034 --> 00:06:11,644 hilarious, actually, especially considering the people involved. 109 00:06:12,016 --> 00:06:12,806 Jay Ray: Yes. 110 00:06:12,806 --> 00:06:17,546 So, um, shout out to DJ Kenny Parker. 111 00:06:17,636 --> 00:06:22,626 In our description, we will include Kenny Parker's break. 112 00:06:22,626 --> 00:06:26,886 So DJ Kenny Parker is the DJ for KRS ONE and Boogie Down Productions. 113 00:06:27,336 --> 00:06:29,996 So he is, and he's also KRS ONE's brother. 114 00:06:30,006 --> 00:06:34,186 So he has all of this history and he does this, um, he does these different 115 00:06:34,196 --> 00:06:35,486 segments on his YouTube channel. 116 00:06:35,496 --> 00:06:42,666 So to your point, Sir Daniel, I, Did not know about this particular beef 117 00:06:43,066 --> 00:06:47,706 because it happened in the early nineties, and you know, it was very 118 00:06:47,736 --> 00:06:50,386 much happening at the in New York. 119 00:06:50,386 --> 00:06:50,756 Right? 120 00:06:51,034 --> 00:06:51,504 DJ Sir Daniel: Right. 121 00:06:52,556 --> 00:06:56,636 Jay Ray: we are talking about the beef between boogie down productions. 122 00:06:57,091 --> 00:07:00,001 and, uh, the UMCs. 123 00:07:00,061 --> 00:07:05,671 Now, all of y'all likely know who Boogie Down Productions is, but the 124 00:07:05,671 --> 00:07:14,261 UMCs though, uh, were two brothers from Staten Island, uh, Haas G and Kool Kim, 125 00:07:15,644 --> 00:07:17,964 DJ Sir Daniel: Not to be confused with the ultramagnetic emcees, 126 00:07:18,191 --> 00:07:21,321 Jay Ray: not to be confused with the ultra, thank you so much, not to be, 127 00:07:21,491 --> 00:07:24,021 not to be confused with them, even though that's really interesting 128 00:07:24,021 --> 00:07:26,631 that they did pick that name because Ultra Magnetic already existed. 129 00:07:27,061 --> 00:07:31,241 Anyway, um, They were known for a song. 130 00:07:31,301 --> 00:07:32,951 Uh, they had the number one hit. 131 00:07:32,991 --> 00:07:35,231 They had a number one hip hop track in blue cheese. 132 00:07:35,231 --> 00:07:35,561 Like that 133 00:07:35,594 --> 00:07:35,954 DJ Sir Daniel: right? 134 00:07:35,954 --> 00:07:56,254 Right. 135 00:07:56,881 --> 00:08:01,611 Jay Ray: at a show in New York Very regular this is gonna be a hip hop 136 00:08:01,611 --> 00:08:05,571 show all of that stuff down productions Of course is the biggest group 137 00:08:05,571 --> 00:08:07,001 so they are gonna close the show. 138 00:08:07,011 --> 00:08:09,711 They are the headline act they close the show. 139 00:08:10,081 --> 00:08:13,921 So The way this beef started is kind of wild. 140 00:08:14,291 --> 00:08:20,781 So every MC, every act did a freestyle segment because it's hip hop. 141 00:08:20,831 --> 00:08:21,651 That's the thing that you do. 142 00:08:21,661 --> 00:08:23,371 You do a freestyle segment in your thing. 143 00:08:24,391 --> 00:08:28,401 So Parker was like, we do one too in our segment. 144 00:08:28,401 --> 00:08:30,851 So in the middle of the set, well, you know, I'll get on 145 00:08:30,851 --> 00:08:35,151 the, the, the drum machine and Crystal start, you know, rapping. 146 00:08:35,881 --> 00:08:39,941 he said, he gave the, he said, here's what KRS One said. 147 00:08:41,081 --> 00:08:42,061 He said. 148 00:08:42,986 --> 00:08:48,216 At the start of his freestyle, a lot of emcees come on the stage and 149 00:08:48,216 --> 00:08:53,806 claim that they can freestyle, a lot of you emcees can't freestyle. 150 00:08:54,276 --> 00:08:56,196 I'm gonna show y'all how to freestyle. 151 00:08:57,476 --> 00:09:02,546 So Kenny Parker is like, I hear the crowd going like, Ooh, whatever. 152 00:09:02,546 --> 00:09:04,816 He's like, Hey, even say, 153 00:09:05,384 --> 00:09:07,084 DJ Sir Daniel: This is like, um, did I miss something? 154 00:09:07,276 --> 00:09:09,566 Jay Ray: Like, didn't even say nothing crazy. 155 00:09:09,586 --> 00:09:11,926 Like, I don't know what they owe it for, but sure. 156 00:09:12,306 --> 00:09:13,926 Karis one does his freestyle, blah, blah, blah. 157 00:09:13,926 --> 00:09:14,290 Yeah. 158 00:09:14,971 --> 00:09:20,341 But the UMCs who are, who have gone off, right, they performed already, 159 00:09:21,131 --> 00:09:26,651 approach them afterwards and say, you know, like what happened? 160 00:09:26,701 --> 00:09:27,551 Like what did we do? 161 00:09:27,551 --> 00:09:29,761 And he's like, they are confused. 162 00:09:29,811 --> 00:09:32,181 And of course, Karras, one of them are confused. 163 00:09:32,191 --> 00:09:33,441 Like what are you talking about? 164 00:09:34,841 --> 00:09:37,851 And they were like, no, the, the freestyle, the UMCs. 165 00:09:37,851 --> 00:09:40,861 And he was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 166 00:09:41,641 --> 00:09:42,981 not, that was just 167 00:09:43,004 --> 00:09:43,704 DJ Sir Daniel: I mean, why? 168 00:09:43,724 --> 00:09:45,024 Oh, you MC. 169 00:09:45,081 --> 00:09:50,991 Jay Ray: why, Oh, you MCs, not you MCs like y'all, just you 170 00:09:50,991 --> 00:09:53,091 MCs, like the collective of MCs. 171 00:09:54,211 --> 00:09:57,491 And so what it started as was they got upset. 172 00:09:57,521 --> 00:10:04,146 They wanted KRS one to go and specifically say, uh, I'm not talking about the 173 00:10:04,156 --> 00:10:08,286 UMCs and there was a lot of back and forth around what should have happened. 174 00:10:08,326 --> 00:10:11,446 Like he agreed to do it and then didn't do it, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 175 00:10:13,136 --> 00:10:23,806 But that beef literally came from a random line in a freestyle 176 00:10:24,966 --> 00:10:27,856 that was very straight forward. 177 00:10:28,724 --> 00:10:33,324 DJ Sir Daniel: And just for context, just for context, let's paint the 178 00:10:33,324 --> 00:10:40,524 picture of like the type of guys The UMCs are like, and the type of video 179 00:10:40,534 --> 00:10:46,444 blue cheese was because for Because when you describe them, people are going to 180 00:10:46,484 --> 00:10:50,784 be like, Oh, that doesn't even sound like somebody that KRS One would come 181 00:10:50,824 --> 00:10:56,604 after or this because, because for all intents and purposes, they were kids. 182 00:10:56,604 --> 00:10:58,954 It's so 183 00:10:59,031 --> 00:11:03,121 Jay Ray: pad, one of them had like the mop head dreads and colorful outfits. 184 00:11:03,181 --> 00:11:05,951 Blue cheese as a video had like a blue puppet. 185 00:11:06,171 --> 00:11:07,241 It was weird. 186 00:11:07,271 --> 00:11:12,561 I was like, I don't know what this blue alien puppet has to do with anything. 187 00:11:13,281 --> 00:11:16,231 And it was just a very, very colorful video. 188 00:11:16,241 --> 00:11:18,131 So it wouldn't even make sense. 189 00:11:18,266 --> 00:11:23,316 To your point, that KRS One would diss them, because it's 190 00:11:23,336 --> 00:11:24,656 like, they ain't do nothing. 191 00:11:26,994 --> 00:11:27,464 DJ Sir Daniel: wild. 192 00:11:27,504 --> 00:11:34,734 And yeah, again, for people and it's the crowd, the crowd immediately 193 00:11:36,154 --> 00:11:40,434 latched onto that one line thinking, Oh, well they just got off the stage. 194 00:11:40,444 --> 00:11:42,499 So he's, Gotta be talking about them. 195 00:11:42,789 --> 00:11:43,479 And you know what? 196 00:11:43,489 --> 00:11:49,519 Maybe because KRS One had a reputation for, you know, for battling people, 197 00:11:49,989 --> 00:11:54,429 um, face to face and saying stuff on and talking ish on stage. 198 00:11:54,769 --> 00:11:58,349 So people were probably like, oh yeah, Chris is on one tonight. 199 00:11:58,669 --> 00:12:01,169 He's probably, he letting, he about to tell you somebody head 200 00:12:01,169 --> 00:12:02,389 off in this cipher tonight. 201 00:12:02,389 --> 00:12:04,839 So it's this time it's the UMCs. 202 00:12:04,839 --> 00:12:05,049 Yeah. 203 00:12:05,049 --> 00:12:06,749 Your blue cheese is out of here. 204 00:12:07,629 --> 00:12:09,309 Your blue cheese is ranch. 205 00:12:11,061 --> 00:12:13,891 Jay Ray: Not your blue cheese is ranch. 206 00:12:15,361 --> 00:12:16,321 That's a DJ, sir. 207 00:12:16,331 --> 00:12:18,871 Daniel quotable, ladies and gentlemen, 208 00:12:19,429 --> 00:12:20,009 DJ Sir Daniel: Nah, nah. 209 00:12:20,039 --> 00:12:23,089 If I, nah, if he would have said that and then it's like, oh, okay. 210 00:12:23,089 --> 00:12:24,159 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 211 00:12:24,159 --> 00:12:25,669 You really trying to start some stuff. 212 00:12:25,669 --> 00:12:27,279 You want to be starting something, Chris. 213 00:12:27,701 --> 00:12:30,721 Jay Ray: but Sir Daniel, you mentioned something really important. 214 00:12:31,881 --> 00:12:33,831 This wouldn't mean anything. 215 00:12:34,301 --> 00:12:38,991 Had the crowd to your point, only, the reason that I'm sure the UMCs 216 00:12:39,001 --> 00:12:42,541 also reacted is because of the way the crowd reacted, right? 217 00:12:42,639 --> 00:12:43,109 DJ Sir Daniel: Right. 218 00:12:43,571 --> 00:12:49,081 Jay Ray: they picked up on the fact that he said this thing and 219 00:12:49,081 --> 00:12:52,931 then the crowd reacted and we are also called the UMCs, right? 220 00:12:53,961 --> 00:12:57,121 the crowd not reacted crazy? 221 00:12:58,026 --> 00:13:01,346 They probably also wouldn't have reacted crazy. 222 00:13:01,926 --> 00:13:09,236 So that fact of the crowds in that room, hyping it up as a 223 00:13:09,266 --> 00:13:11,886 thing part of what made it. 224 00:13:12,136 --> 00:13:16,466 And I also would have been, I can't say how I would have reacted in the moment. 225 00:13:16,506 --> 00:13:20,826 If I was in that room in the moment and having just saw the UMCs perform also 226 00:13:20,826 --> 00:13:25,546 to your point, knowing the reputation of KRS One, I too, as a hip hop fan 227 00:13:25,766 --> 00:13:27,586 may have read that line as a diss. 228 00:13:27,736 --> 00:13:28,947 Mm hmm, mm 229 00:13:29,154 --> 00:13:29,944 DJ Sir Daniel: Well, here's the thing. 230 00:13:29,984 --> 00:13:31,724 And here's another perspective. 231 00:13:32,374 --> 00:13:36,294 Um, the UMCs are relatively new to the industry. 232 00:13:36,804 --> 00:13:40,534 Um, I don't know, this is probably one of their first, this is like maybe 233 00:13:40,584 --> 00:13:45,954 one of their first outings touring and performing and performing alongside 234 00:13:45,954 --> 00:13:50,774 somebody you probably looked up to makes you, makes you feel a way you 235 00:13:50,774 --> 00:13:55,244 feel your insecurities start showing up and this happens to all of us. 236 00:13:55,286 --> 00:13:56,046 Jay Ray: Yes. 237 00:13:56,304 --> 00:13:58,234 DJ Sir Daniel: to all of us in all works of. 238 00:13:58,459 --> 00:14:06,509 In all walks of life, when we feel like when we're encountering any kind of 239 00:14:06,689 --> 00:14:11,739 anything that speaks to our insecurities and that question that makes us question 240 00:14:11,779 --> 00:14:15,349 our abilities and um, our purpose, 241 00:14:15,546 --> 00:14:15,936 Jay Ray: Mm hmm. 242 00:14:16,189 --> 00:14:18,359 DJ Sir Daniel: to immediately start projecting. 243 00:14:18,556 --> 00:14:19,236 Jay Ray: Yes. 244 00:14:19,289 --> 00:14:21,699 DJ Sir Daniel: so I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts. 245 00:14:21,954 --> 00:14:26,454 That the UMCs were probably like, Oh my God, I knew they didn't like us. 246 00:14:26,504 --> 00:14:28,594 I knew, Ooh, and this is Karis one. 247 00:14:28,634 --> 00:14:29,344 Oh my God. 248 00:14:29,704 --> 00:14:30,824 I love Karis one. 249 00:14:31,134 --> 00:14:31,564 Damn. 250 00:14:31,574 --> 00:14:32,284 He hates us. 251 00:14:32,324 --> 00:14:33,124 Oh my God. 252 00:14:33,344 --> 00:14:34,654 I gotta find out what's happening. 253 00:14:34,904 --> 00:14:35,984 He's talking about us. 254 00:14:35,994 --> 00:14:39,914 He's gotta be talking about us because we, in our minds, we think we're great, 255 00:14:39,914 --> 00:14:41,294 but then are we really that great? 256 00:14:41,504 --> 00:14:45,714 You know, there's probably a whole lot of inner dialogue going on and don't 257 00:14:45,714 --> 00:14:47,794 let the, don't let the bravado fool you. 258 00:14:48,184 --> 00:14:49,654 A lot of these rappers. 259 00:14:50,059 --> 00:14:57,769 Present date counted are insecure, have a lot of insecurities and just because 260 00:14:57,769 --> 00:15:01,899 they have a million and one people know who they are and they have more money 261 00:15:01,899 --> 00:15:05,159 than the average person does not negate the fact that they have insecurities. 262 00:15:05,239 --> 00:15:10,299 Ego and that they have insecurities and their insecurities are probably 263 00:15:10,319 --> 00:15:15,259 magnified a thousand times more than you and I, um, who are able 264 00:15:15,259 --> 00:15:18,079 to have a normal private life. 265 00:15:18,831 --> 00:15:22,421 Jay Ray: So to that point, Sir Daniel, you're absolutely right. 266 00:15:22,441 --> 00:15:29,141 Because this beef you also mentioned to me flew over. 267 00:15:29,141 --> 00:15:33,821 I would never imagine these, this and the, and this group 268 00:15:33,821 --> 00:15:35,901 to your point was in a stab. 269 00:15:35,911 --> 00:15:40,751 Like you want to talk about superstar established, like they were at the top of 270 00:15:40,771 --> 00:15:43,211 the food chain feeling some kind of way. 271 00:15:43,809 --> 00:15:46,669 DJ Sir Daniel: So I have a theory about that, but so I'll, I'll 272 00:15:46,669 --> 00:15:48,359 let you let you all in though. 273 00:15:48,639 --> 00:15:50,779 In on what J Ray and I are discussing. 274 00:15:51,129 --> 00:15:54,369 So when we talked, we were talking about rap misunderstandings. 275 00:15:54,449 --> 00:16:01,119 I recalled a, an interview between Salt N Pepa and Queen Latifah, and 276 00:16:01,139 --> 00:16:06,549 they were reminiscing about, um, a club MTV spring break performance. 277 00:16:06,949 --> 00:16:09,359 And, and man, though, I, Ooh, I miss those. 278 00:16:09,369 --> 00:16:13,499 Those were some fun times to see our folks out there outdoors 279 00:16:13,519 --> 00:16:17,389 performing and, you know, water slides and all that kind of stuff. 280 00:16:17,389 --> 00:16:17,899 But anyway. 281 00:16:18,394 --> 00:16:24,564 So Queen Latifah, this was like 91, 92, Queen Latifah, her second 282 00:16:24,594 --> 00:16:29,324 album is out and she's promoting, um, Latifah's Headed Up To Here, 283 00:16:29,456 --> 00:16:29,796 Jay Ray: hmm. 284 00:16:30,184 --> 00:16:34,554 DJ Sir Daniel: and Salt N Pepa happened to be at the same performance, 285 00:16:34,934 --> 00:16:39,234 um, their uh, They probably recorded their performance earlier 286 00:16:39,286 --> 00:16:39,586 Jay Ray: Mm hmm. 287 00:16:39,604 --> 00:16:40,084 DJ Sir Daniel: there. 288 00:16:40,084 --> 00:16:43,744 So they're chilling in the crowd watching Queen Latifah perform 289 00:16:43,744 --> 00:16:45,854 because they love Queen Latifah. 290 00:16:45,884 --> 00:16:47,834 They really enjoy her as a rapper. 291 00:16:48,824 --> 00:16:53,364 And there, for those of you who are, you know, Latifah fans and 292 00:16:53,364 --> 00:16:57,244 know the song Latifah's had it up to here, there is a rhyme 293 00:16:57,296 --> 00:16:58,016 Jay Ray: It is. 294 00:16:58,344 --> 00:17:00,914 DJ Sir Daniel: and it makes me laugh just even thinking about that. 295 00:17:01,379 --> 00:17:07,619 There's a rhyme where Queen Latifah says, um, she's basically, she says, 296 00:17:08,666 --> 00:17:09,316 Jay Ray: don't chew 297 00:17:10,079 --> 00:17:11,939 DJ Sir Daniel: I'm allergic to wack crews. 298 00:17:12,066 --> 00:17:12,436 Jay Ray: hmm. 299 00:17:12,436 --> 00:17:13,971 Yeah. 300 00:17:13,971 --> 00:17:15,507 Hi. 301 00:17:15,559 --> 00:17:17,889 DJ Sir Daniel: Salt N Pepa's like in the audience. 302 00:17:18,234 --> 00:17:20,754 In her performance, Lies moving about stage. 303 00:17:21,124 --> 00:17:29,694 She just so happens to stop where Salt N Pepa are standing and delivers her, 304 00:17:29,854 --> 00:17:32,484 Achoo, I'm allergic to wet cruise rhyme. 305 00:17:33,294 --> 00:17:39,394 And the bar hits Salt N Pepa like, She's talking about us! 306 00:17:39,444 --> 00:17:40,864 Oh my god, what is she? 307 00:17:43,184 --> 00:17:43,634 What? 308 00:17:44,294 --> 00:17:48,484 So Salt N Pepa are thinking, and you can see the look on Latifah's face 309 00:17:48,484 --> 00:17:51,734 like, Are y'all being serious right now? 310 00:17:51,911 --> 00:17:54,941 Jay Ray: So she didn't know until they talked about it. 311 00:17:55,074 --> 00:17:59,814 DJ Sir Daniel: She had no clue and she, and they were like, Oh my God, 312 00:17:59,884 --> 00:18:02,504 we thought you were talking about us. 313 00:18:03,054 --> 00:18:05,094 And we couldn't, we were just confused. 314 00:18:05,724 --> 00:18:07,814 Flummoxed we could not understand. 315 00:18:07,824 --> 00:18:08,994 What did we do? 316 00:18:09,284 --> 00:18:10,374 We love Latifah. 317 00:18:10,404 --> 00:18:11,154 Oh my god. 318 00:18:11,334 --> 00:18:12,094 She hates us. 319 00:18:12,094 --> 00:18:13,094 Did we do something? 320 00:18:13,684 --> 00:18:15,914 And i'm pretty certain they were looking at each other like girl 321 00:18:15,934 --> 00:18:18,644 Did you say something to one of the other members of her crew? 322 00:18:18,644 --> 00:18:21,894 Did we did we not get off stage on time? 323 00:18:22,214 --> 00:18:27,074 And so again The unknown fear of the unknown. 324 00:18:27,144 --> 00:18:33,164 And with absolutely no facts to back it up, their imaginations start running 325 00:18:33,174 --> 00:18:37,884 wild and they're probably they're in this bubble and here's my theory. 326 00:18:39,004 --> 00:18:41,724 They've always said that Herbie kept them in a bubble. 327 00:18:42,011 --> 00:18:42,561 Jay Ray: Yes. 328 00:18:42,779 --> 00:18:46,219 DJ Sir Daniel: Like they weren't the ones like they would go out, but they 329 00:18:46,219 --> 00:18:51,239 weren't always hanging out with, um, other rappers and for a period, a 330 00:18:51,239 --> 00:18:54,279 lot of people had an opinion about Salt N Pepa that they were stuck up. 331 00:18:55,259 --> 00:18:58,779 And so before they started like hanging out with folks and, you know, getting 332 00:18:58,779 --> 00:19:03,529 away from, from up on the Herbie, a lot of people did have a perception of Salt N 333 00:19:03,529 --> 00:19:09,089 Pepa and Salt N Pepa probably because of that had a perception, had a perception 334 00:19:09,419 --> 00:19:12,004 of the perception that people had of them. 335 00:19:12,674 --> 00:19:17,624 And so that probably lent to them have thinking, Oh my God. 336 00:19:17,624 --> 00:19:21,244 And having this runaway thoughts that Queen Latifah is gunning 337 00:19:21,244 --> 00:19:25,434 for them because they, cause clearly they respect Queen Latifah 338 00:19:25,781 --> 00:19:26,061 Jay Ray: Yeah. 339 00:19:26,524 --> 00:19:28,924 DJ Sir Daniel: they know she's a dope MC and they're like, Oh 340 00:19:28,924 --> 00:19:30,874 my God, she's coming for us. 341 00:19:31,424 --> 00:19:33,154 What do we do? 342 00:19:33,386 --> 00:19:33,966 Jay Ray: right. 343 00:19:33,999 --> 00:19:40,259 DJ Sir Daniel: then it turned out to be a complete misunderstanding, just a, just so 344 00:19:40,279 --> 00:19:42,399 happened that she happened to stop there. 345 00:19:42,809 --> 00:19:47,959 I don't know if they, it's so wild to me and so funny to me when I think about that 346 00:19:47,959 --> 00:19:53,139 story and when I heard it, I was like, you do know you're Salt N Pepa, right? 347 00:19:53,736 --> 00:20:01,846 Jay Ray: You, and what's crazy to me is I have totally see Salt N Pepa reacted with 348 00:20:01,876 --> 00:20:10,046 doing a hot shoe and like getting into it with Latifah of how powerful that line is. 349 00:20:10,539 --> 00:20:11,009 DJ Sir Daniel: Right. 350 00:20:11,826 --> 00:20:14,136 Jay Ray: it's interesting how that landed. 351 00:20:14,186 --> 00:20:15,956 I did not know about that. 352 00:20:16,906 --> 00:20:20,136 I also came in Salt N Pepa shoes. 353 00:20:20,201 --> 00:20:26,251 To your point, it's 9192, so they're in between projects. 354 00:20:26,281 --> 00:20:29,221 You know, Blacks Magic has done its thing. 355 00:20:29,411 --> 00:20:31,331 The new album ain't out yet. 356 00:20:32,301 --> 00:20:36,201 They also have had a huge pop moment with Let's Talk About 357 00:20:36,409 --> 00:20:37,139 DJ Sir Daniel: Mm hmm. 358 00:20:37,199 --> 00:20:37,669 Mm hmm. 359 00:20:37,701 --> 00:20:41,591 Jay Ray: whole, they're an entity in the pop culture for real now. 360 00:20:41,759 --> 00:20:42,329 DJ Sir Daniel: Yes. 361 00:20:42,341 --> 00:20:46,811 Jay Ray: could also see to your point how they also may have internalized like, does 362 00:20:46,811 --> 00:20:49,311 hip hop even see us as hip hop in this 363 00:20:49,394 --> 00:20:50,384 DJ Sir Daniel: Exactly. 364 00:20:50,424 --> 00:20:51,224 Exactly. 365 00:20:51,434 --> 00:20:51,714 Yep. 366 00:20:51,724 --> 00:20:53,024 You're absolutely correct. 367 00:20:53,454 --> 00:20:58,984 And you know what, these, and we're bringing up these anecdotes to 368 00:20:58,984 --> 00:21:02,644 you guys, because we want y'all to realize that these people are human. 369 00:21:02,921 --> 00:21:03,291 Jay Ray: Mm 370 00:21:03,634 --> 00:21:09,204 DJ Sir Daniel: And even when we're looking at today's examples between Kendrick Lamar 371 00:21:09,224 --> 00:21:16,294 and Drake, we got to look past all of this other stuff about, um, who's selling how 372 00:21:16,304 --> 00:21:18,904 much and all that these are real people. 373 00:21:19,309 --> 00:21:26,149 Who are experiencing real time, um, moments of humanity, you know, you've 374 00:21:26,159 --> 00:21:30,869 got Drake, who is getting older and is having to consider the fact that he is 375 00:21:30,869 --> 00:21:36,379 not that he is not considered on top anymore, or that is, that's a reality 376 00:21:36,379 --> 00:21:38,839 that he might possibly have to deal with. 377 00:21:39,514 --> 00:21:44,244 And then Kendrick is, you know, creating his own lane and, you know, 378 00:21:44,244 --> 00:21:46,374 and it's carrying a city on his back. 379 00:21:46,496 --> 00:21:46,606 Jay Ray: Mm 380 00:21:46,724 --> 00:21:50,274 DJ Sir Daniel: So God knows what he's going through as we see in that lyric 381 00:21:50,284 --> 00:21:54,524 about letting Wayne down, he's had dealing with his own insecurities 382 00:21:55,004 --> 00:22:00,364 and thoughts around this whole situation of, of where hip hop is. 383 00:22:00,564 --> 00:22:04,544 And he already knows that, okay, yeah, I really lit a fire with that. 384 00:22:04,554 --> 00:22:05,764 They not like us. 385 00:22:06,086 --> 00:22:06,416 Jay Ray: Mm hmm. 386 00:22:07,684 --> 00:22:10,324 DJ Sir Daniel: What people are already going to be on pins and needles, trying 387 00:22:10,324 --> 00:22:12,494 to figure out what am I going to say next? 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