You learned the Polyvagal Theory.
Speaker:Now what?
Speaker:How do you apply this knowledge to your everyday life?
Speaker:What the heck do you do with it?
Speaker:I'm sharing five tips to answer that one question.
Speaker:This episode in particular is the fourth in the five part series.
Speaker:This tip focuses on understanding and identifying neuroception.
Speaker:I wanted this to be a short episode, but we have a lot to get into.
Speaker:Neuroception is commonly misunderstood, so we really gotta spend a lot of
Speaker:time first on clearly understanding what it is, and then we apply the idea
Speaker:to your life in particular in a very easy, practical, and approachable way.
Speaker:Hi, I am Justin Sunseri.
Speaker:I'm a therapist and coach who helps you live more calmly, confidently, and
Speaker:connected without psychobabble or woo woo.
Speaker:Welcome to Stuck Not Broken.
Speaker:This podcast is of course not therapy, nor is it intended to
Speaker:be a replacement for therapy.
Speaker:The first thing to get into is what neuroception is.
Speaker:We need to understand its top down to then recognize it bottom up in the
Speaker:simplest but most accurate possible terms I could muster- Neuroception is your
Speaker:body's way of detecting safety or danger.
Speaker:Super simple definition, but it's of course more complex.
Speaker:So we'll add to the super simple version with this- Neuroception
Speaker:is your body's way of detecting safety or danger or life threat.
Speaker:It does get more complex, but let's spend a little bit of time here.
Speaker:When you neurop safety, your body accesses its ventral vagal safety state.
Speaker:When you neurocept danger, your body turns off the safety
Speaker:activation resulting in increased sympathetic flight fight activation.
Speaker:And if it detects a life threat, then the dorsal vagal shutdown system kicks in.
Speaker:That is a very one dimensional, cartoony, simple way of putting things.
Speaker:But we're starting off simple.
Speaker:Now let's make it a bit more complex.
Speaker:By extending our definition of neuroception a bit more- Neuroception
Speaker:is your body's way of detecting safety or danger or life threat before your
Speaker:conscious mind is aware of these things.
Speaker:Neuroception is not a conscious process.
Speaker:You're not aware of it while it's happening.
Speaker:You're only aware of it after it's happened.
Speaker:You notice the effects of neuroception, not neuroception itself.
Speaker:We can extend our definition a smidge more by inserting
Speaker:something, uh, right in the middle.
Speaker:Ready for it?
Speaker:Neuroception is your body's way of detecting safety or danger or
Speaker:life threat from the internal or external world before your conscious
Speaker:mind is aware of these things.
Speaker:Neuroception responds to more than the external world, like
Speaker:the loud boom of thunder above.
Speaker:It also responds to the internal world, like if you're chronically ill.
Speaker:Neuroception is not conscious thought.
Speaker:It's not consciously directed.
Speaker:It's a biological process happening in the brainstem.
Speaker:The brainstem is where top down and bottom up communication meet.
Speaker:Your body sends signals of safety or danger up to the brainstem and your
Speaker:higher brain structures send signals of safety or danger down to the brainstem.
Speaker:The body and brain meet and discuss safety and danger at the brainstem.
Speaker:So let's, let's use a metaphor.
Speaker:It's gonna make it silly, but hopefully more understandable.
Speaker:Think of your body and the rest of your brain as people, and
Speaker:your brainstem is a person too.
Speaker:So we have three people.
Speaker:The brainstem is the decision maker of the group.
Speaker:The brain and the body come to the decision maker and give it their data.
Speaker:The brain says, "This person whose thoughts I have, they're a real idiot.
Speaker:They're going to get fired soon.
Speaker:And everyone in the office talks about them behind their back." The brain
Speaker:tells this to the brainstem and the brain stem says, "That's not good.
Speaker:Um, sounds like danger.
Speaker:So we'll keep things on high alert.
Speaker:So, brain, I need you to focus intently on maybe getting fired and
Speaker:how maybe nobody likes this person.
Speaker:All of your energy, brain, needs to go and focus on these dangers." And
Speaker:the brain would say, "But we have a, a thing on Saturday and I need to get
Speaker:to the kids, the kids to the doctor-" and the brainstem says, "Nope, just
Speaker:focus on the most immediate danger.
Speaker:All systems need to prioritize these dangers."
Speaker:Meanwhile, the body's there too and has a message for the
Speaker:brainstem, the decision maker.
Speaker:The body says, "Things are pretty tense down here. I'm super tight in the gut
Speaker:area and I can't get enough air into my chest." So the brainstem says, OMG.
Speaker:Things are worse than I thought.
Speaker:Sounds like a ton of dangers.
Speaker:Okay, body.
Speaker:Let's also stay on high alert- keep tense, keep ready.
Speaker:Focus all energies on maintaining hypervigilant readiness.
Speaker:If there's anything off, let me know immediately.
Speaker:If somebody at work has a slightly tense voice, prioritize that,
Speaker:I'll let the brain know and it'll put a response into action."
Speaker:And so, uh, yeah, things stay this way, potentially indefinitely, sorry to say.
Speaker:Well, that's not entirely true.
Speaker:It's not indefinite.
Speaker:But if you are in a traumatized state, it is chronic that defensiveness
Speaker:and potentially indefinite, um, if nothing else changes.
Speaker:The good news is, is that the body's also sending other signals to the
Speaker:brainstem, like the smell of food on the way to work, or the sites of pink cherry
Speaker:blossoms on a tree outside a window.
Speaker:And the brain can remember moments of connection.
Speaker:These messages are also sent to the brainstem decision maker too.
Speaker:The point is that the brainstem is where all the polyvagal state shifting
Speaker:takes place, and it shifts based on the cues that it receives from
Speaker:the body and the rest of the brain.
Speaker:That's the basics of neuroception.
Speaker:Let's create a fictional scenario to help bring this to light a little bit more.
Speaker:It is Sarah's first week at her new job and she's attending, um, a team meeting.
Speaker:She arrives a few minutes before it starts wanting to make a good impression on
Speaker:her, her colleagues, and the higher ups.
Speaker:She says to herself, "You got this, Sarah." She opens the door to the
Speaker:conference room and lifts her leg to take a step in before her foot can
Speaker:land, though, uh, for that first step, her eyes take in the harsh brightness
Speaker:of the fluorescent bulbs above.
Speaker:Her ears take in the dull hum and the chatter of her colleagues.
Speaker:Her nose picks up the slight scent of disinfectant.
Speaker:Her eyes take in the view of the city from the 50th floor.
Speaker:Her eyes also pick up the faces of her colleagues facing away from her
Speaker:or the back of their heads, I guess.
Speaker:A subtle tension grips her shoulders and her breathing becomes more
Speaker:shallow, uh, into her chest.
Speaker:Her foot finally falls for that first step into the conference room.
Speaker:The second foot follows and her legs tense as she stands
Speaker:stoically still like a statue, her eyes widening to scan the room.
Speaker:A thought pierces her mind like a lightning bolt, "This is too
Speaker:much for me. I am not ready for this. And they all know."
Speaker:Okay, dear listener, um, how is or is Sarah neurocepting danger?
Speaker:Obviously.
Speaker:Yeah, right.
Speaker:She enters into a freeze state based on what she's picking up in the room.
Speaker:The onset of the freeze is rapid and she has no idea why.
Speaker:To her it's because of imposter syndrome.
Speaker:That's what she would say to herself.
Speaker:She thinks people are judging her but really it's because she entered the room
Speaker:with some anxiety already, and then the room itself and the people within it
Speaker:provided her brainstem with numerous tiny sensory danger cues like the height of the
Speaker:room overlooking the city, the lighting, the voices, the faces of her colleagues,
Speaker:and the uh, the scent in the room.
Speaker:All of these are danger.
Speaker:They're not dangerous, but the cue danger in her body.
Speaker:She is unaware of all of these sensory pieces at a conscious level,
Speaker:but her brainstem picked up on every single one of them and then shifted
Speaker:the body into a life threat state.
Speaker:That's what the freeze was.
Speaker:Let's take this, uh, story a step further.
Speaker:Sarah is standing there frozen in place with her eyes wide.
Speaker:Unsure what to do, uh, where to sit or who to talk to.
Speaker:Emotionally, she feels, of course, anxious and insecure.
Speaker:One of the colleagues looks over to her and smiles, "Hey, Sarah, right?"
Speaker:She stutters out something affirming that, yes, she is indeed Sarah.
Speaker:" Welcome!" The colleague says. I don't know if Jerry prepped you for this, but
Speaker:this is a multidisciplinary team meeting and we like to sit with people we usually
Speaker:don't work with. People in different teams get to know each other this way."
Speaker:Sarah feels a warmth spread all over her.
Speaker:She takes a breath in, smiles at her colleague and says,
Speaker:okay, great, and gets cut off.
Speaker:Another colleague across the room shouts to Sarah in a playful tone.
Speaker:"Come over here. We have a spot. I need to pick your brain about something anyhow!"
Speaker:Sarah smiles a bigger smile and confidently walks over to sit.
Speaker:All right, so now what happened?
Speaker:She neurocepted, uh, safety this time, right?
Speaker:The smile from her coworker, gaining clarity on the group norms at the
Speaker:top down, and the invitation from her other coworker, along with
Speaker:that coworkers, the other coworkers welcoming and excited vocal tone.
Speaker:She accurately neuro steps safety and shifts state out of
Speaker:freeze or out of immobility and into a mobilized safety state.
Speaker:So now you understand neuroception accurately.
Speaker:Let's now take the next step and learn how to identify it.
Speaker:You can probably see that neuroception is not something we directly experience.
Speaker:I mean the moment of neuroception, the biological communication
Speaker:from brainstem to brain and body.
Speaker:Instead, we can directly experience the effects of neuroception.
Speaker:This is a subtle but important difference.
Speaker:Sarah didn't notice the neuroception of danger before her first step
Speaker:landed in the conference room.
Speaker:She didn't even notice the effects like shallow breathing and the tent shoulders.
Speaker:She was too far in defensive activation.
Speaker:But if she had enough safety in her system and if she was mindful
Speaker:enough, she would've noticed the breath and the tension.
Speaker:The breath and tension are the effects of neuroception, the,
Speaker:the outcome of neuroception.
Speaker:These are the potentially conscious results of neuroception.
Speaker:We identify neuroception through its effects, through its outcomes.
Speaker:One problem with this is that neuroception affects so many
Speaker:different variables of you.
Speaker:When you shift into defense, it affects your thoughts, your
Speaker:emotions, your sensations, your impulses, and your behaviors as well.
Speaker:Another problem is that you may have little to no connection with yourself.
Speaker:Everything from the neck down might be a stranger to you.
Speaker:So we need to start much smaller.
Speaker:We don't have to notice everything.
Speaker:We get really notice things on a smaller level.
Speaker:I have three questions that I want you to ask yourself to identify neuroception.
Speaker:I'll also clarify the three questions so they make more sense.
Speaker:Write these down.
Speaker:You're gonna be using these a lot.
Speaker:Number one, how is my breathing?
Speaker:Is it more or less shallow?
Speaker:Is it in my chest or my belly?
Speaker:Are my shoulders moving?
Speaker:Is it comfortable or not?
Speaker:Number two, how is my muscle tension?
Speaker:Am I tense or relaxed?
Speaker:Where do I feel tension or relaxation?
Speaker:Is it all over or is it in a specific spot?
Speaker:And number three, am I more or less likely to smile?
Speaker:This one I think is pretty straightforward.
Speaker:And by the way, if you are more, more likely to smile, then do so.
Speaker:Let yourself smile.
Speaker:Those are your three key questions to identify neuroception.
Speaker:You're gonna look for the effects of neuroception in these three key areas.
Speaker:Let's get a little more specific though, because it's
Speaker:time to take your first steps.
Speaker:You are going to look for the effects of neuroception in these three areas in
Speaker:response to sensory inputs, in particular.
Speaker:When noticing come from as much curiosity as you can.
Speaker:Not evaluation.
Speaker:This isn't about, uh, good or bad, right or wrong.
Speaker:It's just noticing what is, noticing what is truthful about our experiences.
Speaker:You are gonna use your senses to notice neuroception, and you're
Speaker:going to do so proactively.
Speaker:For now, don't wait for your senses to pick something up and for your
Speaker:body to shift and then notice it.
Speaker:That's reactive.
Speaker:I want you to be proactive.
Speaker:I invite you to choose an experience today that engages just one of your senses.
Speaker:Not all of them, just one.
Speaker:I want you to mindfully experience the taste, sight, feel, smell
Speaker:or the sound of something.
Speaker:And then notice how that impacts your body.
Speaker:Take in the sensory input and then ask yourself those three questions.
Speaker:So how do you do this?
Speaker:I bet you have a candle in your home.
Speaker:Smell it mindfully and ask yourself those three questions.
Speaker:I bet you're gonna be going to Target or Walmart today, or, or some store.
Speaker:Go to the candle aisle and smell one of the candles there.
Speaker:You're probably gonna get a coffee today.
Speaker:Taste it and answer those three questions.
Speaker:Real easy.
Speaker:These are things that you would do anyways.
Speaker:Focus though on proactively experiencing the effects of neuroception.
Speaker:As this becomes easier, then notice how your body reacts to sensory
Speaker:inputs that you don't expect.
Speaker:If you can't catch it in the moment like Sarah did not catch it in the
Speaker:story, then reflect back on those moments at the end of the day.
Speaker:You are wondering why this is important and how it helps, uh, especially
Speaker:'cause you wanna get unstuck.
Speaker:Noticing the effects of neuroception helps build self-awareness without judgment.
Speaker:That's huge.
Speaker:If you're gonna continue down the unstuck path that, that's, seriously,
Speaker:this is a huge component of it.
Speaker:Further down the unstucking road, you'll need to build your ability
Speaker:to notice how your body is, what it wants, and how it reacts.
Speaker:This self-awareness you build now tells you what cue safety and what cues defense.
Speaker:In the Unstuck Academy, you will learn what cues safety in your
Speaker:body, but you need to feel it.
Speaker:You'll also learn how to access and feel mindfully defensive activation,
Speaker:and again- this requires a lot of nonjudgmental connection with yourself.
Speaker:But you're not there yet.
Speaker:That is further down the road.
Speaker:You've just learned the Polyvagal theory and you're
Speaker:trying to put things into place.
Speaker:But as you progress down the unstuck road, those other pieces
Speaker:will become way more important.
Speaker:Over time, as you become more comfortable with noticing how your body responds,
Speaker:you'll begin to understand what it wants.
Speaker:Our bodies are compelled to self-regulate, to get unstuck from
Speaker:defense and access more safety.
Speaker:But to get there, we need to listen to what it needs.
Speaker:We need to consciously listen to what our body needs.
Speaker:When it needs to squeeze to release stuck fight activation.
Speaker:We need to listen and act on it when it needs to hug another and receive warmth
Speaker:and comfort, we need to listen to it.
Speaker:When it needs to collapse face first on the bed and breathe in silence, recovering
Speaker:from the day we need to listen to it.
Speaker:This simple, proactive sensory neuroception tip that I gave
Speaker:you with the three questions is a small step in that direction.
Speaker:Small but sustainable and small but significant, especially
Speaker:if you're just starting.
Speaker:Using this simple, proactive sensory neuroception tip is also useful
Speaker:because it puts you in the driver's seat, it puts you in control.
Speaker:You decide what sensory input you use and when, and you decide to look
Speaker:inward and notice your body's reaction.
Speaker:I will bet you are typically reactive.
Speaker:You live reactively.
Speaker:You react to things.
Speaker:You react to the state of your body.
Speaker:You try to numb what it's going through or distract yourself.
Speaker:What I'm suggesting is the opposite.
Speaker:It is proactive and helps you connect, not numb or distract, but directly connect
Speaker:with your body in the present moment.
Speaker:Thanks so much for joining me on Stuck Not Broken.
Speaker:I hope this episode has helped you understand neuroception
Speaker:deeper and more accurately.
Speaker:And I hope you have your next step- proactively connect
Speaker:with your senses or one sense.
Speaker:And notice how your body responds to what it neurocepts.
Speaker:You got this.
Speaker:Bye.