1 00:00:15,754 --> 00:00:16,055 Matt Edmundson: We meet 2 00:00:16,184 --> 00:00:21,634 online together to catch up and discover more about the amazingness of Christ. 3 00:00:23,544 --> 00:00:28,544 You can also subscribe to our podcast called What's the Story, where we 4 00:00:28,544 --> 00:00:33,254 deep dive into stories of faith and courage from everyday people. 5 00:00:34,785 --> 00:00:37,300 More information about all of these stories All these things 6 00:00:37,300 --> 00:00:41,800 that I've mentioned can be found on our website at www. 7 00:00:41,849 --> 00:00:42,300 crowd. 8 00:00:42,489 --> 00:00:46,079 church or you can reach us on social media at crowdchurch. 9 00:00:49,459 --> 00:00:53,109 If you're new to Crowd or new to the Christian faith and would like to know 10 00:00:53,110 --> 00:00:58,165 what your next steps to take are, why not head over to our website, www.crowd. 11 00:00:58,355 --> 00:01:01,864 church/next, for more details. 12 00:01:05,364 --> 00:01:09,105 And now, the moment you've been waiting for is here. 13 00:01:09,534 --> 00:01:12,515 Our online church service starts right now. 14 00:01:12,780 --> 00:01:14,420 Dan Orange: Welcome to Crowd Church. 15 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:15,410 It's great to be back. 16 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:16,550 And I'm joined, 17 00:01:17,980 --> 00:01:18,170 Anna Kettle: Anna. 18 00:01:18,810 --> 00:01:19,430 Here I am. 19 00:01:21,450 --> 00:01:24,290 We're still getting used to this flicking backwards and forwards thing right now. 20 00:01:24,290 --> 00:01:24,932 It's like a big reveal. 21 00:01:24,932 --> 00:01:25,574 Who's it going to be? 22 00:01:25,574 --> 00:01:26,491 Yeah, it's who is it? 23 00:01:26,611 --> 00:01:29,111 They should know if they were here last week, because we already told them. 24 00:01:29,121 --> 00:01:30,911 But, yeah, hi everyone. 25 00:01:31,221 --> 00:01:32,861 Happy Sunday afternoon. 26 00:01:33,631 --> 00:01:34,801 wherever you're joining us from 27 00:01:34,861 --> 00:01:37,301 Dan Orange: yeah we're just saying if you join us from Liverpool 28 00:01:37,301 --> 00:01:38,891 or England it's actually warm 29 00:01:38,941 --> 00:01:43,391 Anna Kettle: yeah it feels like we finally got summer or at least a day or two of it 30 00:01:43,391 --> 00:01:44,091 Dan Orange: yeah 31 00:01:44,091 --> 00:01:46,101 Anna Kettle: it's like a bank holiday we've got an extra day 32 00:01:46,101 --> 00:01:50,391 off work and it's sunny everyone's like quick out let's get a barbecue 33 00:01:52,346 --> 00:01:53,376 Dan Orange: Thank holiday and sun, 34 00:01:53,446 --> 00:01:56,176 Anna Kettle: but it's feels like in all seriousness, it feels like a surprise 35 00:01:56,216 --> 00:01:59,456 because even on Thursday, I was checking like Thursday, Friday, I was checking 36 00:01:59,456 --> 00:02:03,416 the weather forecast and it said like rain all weekend and then suddenly 37 00:02:03,426 --> 00:02:05,246 lo and behold, it's like quite nice. 38 00:02:05,816 --> 00:02:08,886 So yeah, we all feel like, I think the whole of the UK is 39 00:02:08,886 --> 00:02:10,346 in a happy mood this weekend. 40 00:02:10,346 --> 00:02:10,695 It 41 00:02:10,695 --> 00:02:13,490 Dan Orange: does make things, it does make things good. 42 00:02:13,490 --> 00:02:14,538 Yeah, it does. 43 00:02:14,538 --> 00:02:14,887 It 44 00:02:14,887 --> 00:02:16,821 Anna Kettle: makes life a little bit easier, doesn't it? 45 00:02:19,081 --> 00:02:22,121 Dan Orange: And Liverpool are winning 4:0 at the moment as well, which I'm 46 00:02:22,121 --> 00:02:23,611 sure Matt Crew would be very happy about. 47 00:02:27,141 --> 00:02:28,341 He's a big Liverpool fan, I think. 48 00:02:28,521 --> 00:02:29,161 Yeah, I believe 49 00:02:29,161 --> 00:02:30,381 Anna Kettle: so. 50 00:02:30,381 --> 00:02:33,861 Not the only one in Crowd Church, but yeah, probably the biggest one. 51 00:02:35,091 --> 00:02:36,191 Dan Orange: So what have we got today? 52 00:02:36,451 --> 00:02:39,881 Anna Kettle: So today we're gonna have a talk coming up in a minute 53 00:02:39,931 --> 00:02:42,231 by none other than Dave Connolly. 54 00:02:42,311 --> 00:02:45,991 He's very cool and he's going to be speaking on, Dave's going 55 00:02:45,991 --> 00:02:47,701 to be speaking on patience. 56 00:02:47,931 --> 00:02:51,731 He's carrying on our series about becoming whole and he's 57 00:02:51,761 --> 00:02:53,151 going to be speaking on patience. 58 00:02:53,161 --> 00:02:54,001 So I'm looking forward to that. 59 00:02:55,131 --> 00:02:56,521 Dan Orange: Yeah, I think it'd be a great tour. 60 00:02:56,521 --> 00:02:59,531 And then next week, we've got Matt, he's going to be continuing 61 00:03:00,111 --> 00:03:02,231 the talk, the series as well. 62 00:03:02,281 --> 00:03:03,581 And he's talking on kindness. 63 00:03:03,761 --> 00:03:07,951 So sorry, when I keep looking over there, it's because I'm looking at Anna, but it 64 00:03:07,951 --> 00:03:09,321 looks like I'm just looking off camera. 65 00:03:10,641 --> 00:03:11,421 This is weird, isn't it? 66 00:03:11,621 --> 00:03:14,401 Anna Kettle: Because we used to be on camera together, like side by side. 67 00:03:14,411 --> 00:03:15,021 And now we're not. 68 00:03:15,671 --> 00:03:16,801 Dan Orange: We are in the same room. 69 00:03:16,801 --> 00:03:17,421 Yeah. 70 00:03:17,561 --> 00:03:17,821 Anna Kettle: Yeah. 71 00:03:17,841 --> 00:03:19,771 Can you tell by the blue background? 72 00:03:22,641 --> 00:03:23,261 It doesn't work. 73 00:03:23,441 --> 00:03:23,781 Anyway. 74 00:03:24,691 --> 00:03:25,981 Yeah, I think so. 75 00:03:26,181 --> 00:03:27,821 Shall we just move on to the talk? 76 00:03:27,831 --> 00:03:28,201 Yes. 77 00:03:28,211 --> 00:03:30,221 Before we make any more fools of ourselves. 78 00:03:30,941 --> 00:03:31,461 Dan Orange: I think so. 79 00:03:32,351 --> 00:03:33,781 So as always. 80 00:03:35,656 --> 00:03:40,016 Any questions, please just send them in and we will endeavour 81 00:03:40,016 --> 00:03:41,496 to answer them afterwards. 82 00:03:41,636 --> 00:03:45,706 You can contact us via Crowd Church on Instagram, on YouTube, 83 00:03:45,736 --> 00:03:46,626 however you listen to it. 84 00:03:46,636 --> 00:03:49,396 Just pop it in the comment and we will get back to you. 85 00:03:50,056 --> 00:03:50,986 So here we go. 86 00:03:51,056 --> 00:03:55,166 Without further ado, without more waffling on, let me find the right button. 87 00:03:55,306 --> 00:03:55,766 Anna Kettle: Well done. 88 00:03:55,776 --> 00:03:57,896 We will waffle on while Dan finds the right button. 89 00:03:58,056 --> 00:03:58,086 Here 90 00:03:58,086 --> 00:03:58,316 Dan Orange: we go. 91 00:04:01,676 --> 00:04:02,376 Dave Connolly: Welcome. 92 00:04:02,976 --> 00:04:08,136 We're going to continue in our series looking at the fruits of the Spirit, and 93 00:04:08,136 --> 00:04:10,936 today I want to focus in on patience. 94 00:04:12,306 --> 00:04:15,076 If you've got your Bibles to hand, maybe you want to open up 95 00:04:15,416 --> 00:04:18,081 Colossians chapter 3, verse 12. 96 00:04:18,081 --> 00:04:21,606 Colossians 3, verse 12, says this. 97 00:04:22,306 --> 00:04:26,681 Clothe yourselves with compassion and Kindness, humility, 98 00:04:27,081 --> 00:04:29,161 gentleness and patience. 99 00:04:31,361 --> 00:04:33,401 Love, joy, peace. 100 00:04:33,841 --> 00:04:39,691 These first three on Paul's list of the fruits of the Spirit sound very spiritual. 101 00:04:40,791 --> 00:04:46,481 They are the kind of things that good Christians ought to have and display. 102 00:04:47,121 --> 00:04:51,981 But when it comes to patience, we're coming to something which is more 103 00:04:52,011 --> 00:04:58,046 to do with What we're like, how we live, what we're like at home maybe, 104 00:04:58,276 --> 00:05:02,596 what we're like in the workplace, or indeed, what are we like when we 105 00:05:02,596 --> 00:05:05,376 take our leisure and our playtime. 106 00:05:05,866 --> 00:05:12,406 Patience as a fruit of the spirit means, on one hand, the ability to endure, 107 00:05:12,756 --> 00:05:18,266 for a long time, the kind of suffering and opposition that may come our way. 108 00:05:19,196 --> 00:05:24,176 And on another hand, the ability to endure the weakness and the flaws of 109 00:05:24,176 --> 00:05:27,096 others, including other believers. 110 00:05:27,621 --> 00:05:32,671 Before we continue to go on thinking about patience as a quality we should 111 00:05:32,681 --> 00:05:38,171 display, let's first of all think about patience as a quality of God. 112 00:05:38,831 --> 00:05:43,211 Maybe we would not immediately think of the patience of God as 113 00:05:43,211 --> 00:05:44,881 an aspect of the Old Testament. 114 00:05:45,451 --> 00:05:52,131 Usually, this God of the Old Testament is often understood to be angry distant. 115 00:05:53,391 --> 00:05:59,891 But the very first description that God gives himself in Exodus 34, 116 00:05:59,891 --> 00:06:05,206 verse 6 is this, is when he says to Moses, that his name is the Lord, 117 00:06:05,766 --> 00:06:11,476 the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love. 118 00:06:12,826 --> 00:06:16,046 Slow to anger is of the character of God. 119 00:06:16,766 --> 00:06:21,116 And when we look at the history of the Old Testament, and indeed the 120 00:06:21,116 --> 00:06:27,836 whole of Scripture, the Bible is a long story of God's patience over many 121 00:06:27,846 --> 00:06:33,326 centuries and many generations for With first the Israelites, and then 122 00:06:33,326 --> 00:06:35,946 with us, and the world he has made. 123 00:06:36,846 --> 00:06:43,266 We read the words of the prophet Isaiah in chapter 53 verse 12, where he says this. 124 00:06:43,806 --> 00:06:51,926 He tells Israel how God had borne their sins, like a burden that he had to carry. 125 00:06:52,296 --> 00:06:58,206 In fact, he says he had carried Israel himself from the cradle to the grave. 126 00:06:58,206 --> 00:07:05,436 And actually, the word in the Old Testament, which loosely translates as to 127 00:07:05,446 --> 00:07:09,826 forgive, is the word to bear, or to carry. 128 00:07:10,516 --> 00:07:16,446 That is to say, when God forgives, it is because he chooses to bear 129 00:07:16,706 --> 00:07:22,626 our sins himself, which of course is exactly what Jesus did on the cross. 130 00:07:23,146 --> 00:07:26,646 The Old Testament shows God's incredible patience. 131 00:07:27,976 --> 00:07:33,226 And when the New Testament goes on to speak about the patience of Jesus, as 132 00:07:33,226 --> 00:07:40,006 he bore the injustice of the cross, it shows us, through Jesus, practically, 133 00:07:40,466 --> 00:07:42,636 how we can exercise patience. 134 00:07:43,236 --> 00:07:47,886 Here's what Peter says about the suffering and patience of Jesus. 135 00:07:48,816 --> 00:07:51,446 And we read it in 1 Peter. 136 00:07:51,866 --> 00:07:55,736 Chapter 2, verses 21 to 24. 137 00:07:58,206 --> 00:08:04,936 To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, 138 00:08:05,116 --> 00:08:07,186 that you should follow in his steps. 139 00:08:08,036 --> 00:08:13,156 He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth. 140 00:08:14,046 --> 00:08:18,116 When they hailed their insults at him, he did not retaliate. 141 00:08:18,826 --> 00:08:21,496 When he suffered, he made no threats. 142 00:08:21,896 --> 00:08:26,501 Instead, He entrusted himself to him who judges justly. 143 00:08:27,291 --> 00:08:33,111 He himself bore our sins in his body on the cross so that we might die 144 00:08:33,151 --> 00:08:36,121 to sins and live for righteousness. 145 00:08:36,701 --> 00:08:40,511 By his wounds you have been healed. 146 00:08:42,131 --> 00:08:45,551 When I think about patience I think about it in two ways. 147 00:08:46,241 --> 00:08:47,021 Fiercely. 148 00:08:47,581 --> 00:08:53,791 The patience of endurance of suffering is very clear in the Bible that 149 00:08:53,791 --> 00:08:56,401 God's people do and will suffer. 150 00:08:57,791 --> 00:09:03,261 Even now around the world, millions of Christians are suffering hatred, 151 00:09:03,771 --> 00:09:10,701 discrimination, imprisonment, and often martyrdom because of their faith in Jesus. 152 00:09:11,221 --> 00:09:14,821 We need to pray for them daily as they go through this. 153 00:09:16,016 --> 00:09:21,456 We may know several people in our own lives who are also enduring hardship, 154 00:09:22,136 --> 00:09:23,936 and this can be very difficult. 155 00:09:24,696 --> 00:09:30,236 Secondly, we also need to remember that patience means patience with others. 156 00:09:31,071 --> 00:09:35,411 And that is when we choose to bear with others, rather than cutting 157 00:09:35,411 --> 00:09:40,301 them off because they annoy us, or let us down, or do wrong to us. 158 00:09:41,301 --> 00:09:43,021 It is a choice to forgive. 159 00:09:43,671 --> 00:09:46,871 To forgive someone, rather than to hold a grudge. 160 00:09:47,551 --> 00:09:54,781 It means choosing to overlook something that was hateful, or unkind rather 161 00:09:54,781 --> 00:10:00,171 than picking a fight and getting even and that kind of patience is often 162 00:10:00,341 --> 00:10:03,781 hardest for us in our everyday lives. 163 00:10:04,921 --> 00:10:09,321 It can be difficult to have the patience to put up with others Not 164 00:10:09,351 --> 00:10:14,851 to mention, sometimes the patience they may need to put up with us. 165 00:10:15,671 --> 00:10:23,741 But that is what the Bible asks of each of us, and it is what we are called for, even 166 00:10:23,741 --> 00:10:30,291 when we are misunderstood, misinterpreted, and when we're treated unfairly. 167 00:10:30,781 --> 00:10:35,551 That's really when patience is tested, and that's when it really counts. 168 00:10:36,571 --> 00:10:40,411 The Apostle Paul knew a thing or two about being misunderstood 169 00:10:40,441 --> 00:10:41,881 and about being mistreated. 170 00:10:43,381 --> 00:10:50,721 He wrote in Ephesians chapter 4, verse 2 this, Be completely humble and gentle. 171 00:10:51,121 --> 00:10:54,461 Be patient, bearing with one another in love. 172 00:10:56,111 --> 00:11:00,751 When it comes to patience, I'll be first to admit that I am probably 173 00:11:00,791 --> 00:11:02,851 not the most patient of people. 174 00:11:03,661 --> 00:11:07,731 I still haven't fully figured out what is more challenging. 175 00:11:08,876 --> 00:11:15,576 Patience with others or patience with God, but patience in both can be hard to 176 00:11:15,576 --> 00:11:18,586 navigate, and this is partly the answer. 177 00:11:19,076 --> 00:11:25,826 Because to be patient with others requires choosing to think about others feel. 178 00:11:26,506 --> 00:11:30,726 And this, psychologists have suggested, does not come 179 00:11:30,726 --> 00:11:33,636 naturally to us as human beings. 180 00:11:34,396 --> 00:11:39,456 We naturally have a tendency to think about us and how we are 181 00:11:39,456 --> 00:11:45,446 affected by a situation rather than automatically think about others. 182 00:11:46,526 --> 00:11:47,976 We have to work harder. 183 00:11:48,836 --> 00:11:50,726 We have to think more about this. 184 00:11:50,886 --> 00:11:53,076 We have to think about others. 185 00:11:54,716 --> 00:12:01,016 To be patient with God means to see things from God's perspective, which again is 186 00:12:01,016 --> 00:12:04,946 not always natural to us as human beings. 187 00:12:06,046 --> 00:12:10,476 Sometimes it's not even clear whether it is God we are waiting on. 188 00:12:11,016 --> 00:12:16,276 Sometimes it's simply unclear which road we should be taking and whether 189 00:12:16,276 --> 00:12:18,266 God wants us waiting or waiting. 190 00:12:18,876 --> 00:12:23,776 Or doing something else, especially when we might feel that there's no 191 00:12:23,776 --> 00:12:29,066 guarantee that God will meet our desires or our needs, especially 192 00:12:29,086 --> 00:12:30,876 in the way that we want him to. 193 00:12:31,456 --> 00:12:36,886 No matter where we find ourselves on the journey of patience, know this, 194 00:12:37,876 --> 00:12:45,556 that even in hard things, God is at work on our behalf and for our good. 195 00:12:46,211 --> 00:12:47,251 That's comforting. 196 00:12:47,891 --> 00:12:54,541 To be patient means to choose to stand with God where He is and not 197 00:12:54,571 --> 00:12:57,081 in the circumstances where we are. 198 00:12:57,801 --> 00:13:03,011 Thankfully, through prayer, we are able to access that space with 199 00:13:03,011 --> 00:13:10,241 ease by simply asking God to hold our hand and illuminate our path. 200 00:13:11,661 --> 00:13:17,841 And as we do that, our hearts are being transformed from glory to glory. 201 00:13:18,216 --> 00:13:22,056 As we draw to a close today, can I leave you with some thoughts? 202 00:13:22,846 --> 00:13:26,806 Patience is the capacity to tolerate challenges or 203 00:13:26,806 --> 00:13:29,286 delays without getting upset. 204 00:13:30,316 --> 00:13:34,826 Most of us would love to have more patience in our life, 205 00:13:35,276 --> 00:13:36,956 but it's not always that easy. 206 00:13:37,541 --> 00:13:43,991 Patience is the topic of many Bible studies, many counselling sessions, and 207 00:13:43,991 --> 00:13:49,491 the subject of many prayers, because life can push us towards reaction, 208 00:13:49,941 --> 00:13:52,481 and frustration, and disappointment. 209 00:13:53,691 --> 00:13:58,001 We may find ourselves praying for more patience when we've been 210 00:13:58,321 --> 00:14:00,101 at some of the following points. 211 00:14:01,356 --> 00:14:05,866 When we've been waiting on the Lord to give us clarity in our lives. 212 00:14:07,476 --> 00:14:13,086 Praying for a long time for God to change our situations or circumstances. 213 00:14:13,886 --> 00:14:17,926 Or when we've been waiting on God to answer prayer for the 214 00:14:17,936 --> 00:14:19,986 salvation of one of our loved ones. 215 00:14:20,881 --> 00:14:25,861 Or when losing our temper with others, or when we've been growing 216 00:14:25,871 --> 00:14:28,241 weary with the pressures of life. 217 00:14:29,661 --> 00:14:34,631 No matter what leads us to desire more patience, the Bible 218 00:14:34,761 --> 00:14:37,021 offers excellent guidance. 219 00:14:38,181 --> 00:14:42,501 As we look at the Word of God, we can explore how to become 220 00:14:42,501 --> 00:14:47,181 more patient, and what it means to have patience, for example. 221 00:14:48,631 --> 00:14:54,331 You could read in Romans 12, verse 12, Be joyful in hope, Patience 222 00:14:54,331 --> 00:14:56,751 in affliction, Faithful in prayer. 223 00:14:57,791 --> 00:15:06,451 Or in 9, Let us not become weary in doing good, For at the proper time we will 224 00:15:06,451 --> 00:15:09,551 reap a harvest, If we do not give up. 225 00:15:10,891 --> 00:15:17,381 And again in Romans 8 verse 25, But if we hope for what we do 226 00:15:17,381 --> 00:15:19,636 not yet have, We wait in vain. 227 00:15:19,986 --> 00:15:21,896 For it patiently. 228 00:15:23,816 --> 00:15:26,226 Then there's Ephesians 4, verse 2. 229 00:15:27,026 --> 00:15:29,986 Be completely humble and gentle. 230 00:15:30,376 --> 00:15:35,296 Be patient, bearing with one another in love. 231 00:15:35,296 --> 00:15:39,116 Hebrews 10, verse 36. 232 00:15:40,016 --> 00:15:45,016 For you have need of patience, that after you have done the will of 233 00:15:45,016 --> 00:15:48,376 God, you might receive the promise. 234 00:15:49,376 --> 00:15:55,956 In those verses, there is great promise, great hope, And there 235 00:15:55,966 --> 00:15:59,046 is clear direction for us. 236 00:16:00,376 --> 00:16:01,846 Let them inspire you. 237 00:16:02,756 --> 00:16:07,926 I read a quote not so long ago from a guy called Jerry Bridges 238 00:16:07,926 --> 00:16:13,936 which said this, Patience does not ignore the provocation of others. 239 00:16:14,541 --> 00:16:21,121 It simply seeks to respond to them in a godly manner, it enables us to control 240 00:16:21,121 --> 00:16:27,441 our temper when we are provoked, to seek to deal with the person and his 241 00:16:27,461 --> 00:16:33,811 provocation in a way that tends to heal relationships rather than aggravate them. 242 00:16:35,216 --> 00:16:40,776 It seeks the ultimate good of the other individual, rather than the immediate 243 00:16:40,786 --> 00:16:44,376 satisfaction of our own aroused emotions. 244 00:16:45,036 --> 00:16:46,916 I can identify with that, can you? 245 00:16:47,146 --> 00:16:48,506 God bless you, my friends. 246 00:16:52,386 --> 00:16:53,126 Dan Orange: Thanks, Dave. 247 00:16:53,856 --> 00:16:58,706 I feel like, we here, we know Dave in person, he's a friend, but when he 248 00:16:58,706 --> 00:17:01,451 talks, I just know him a little bit more. 249 00:17:01,601 --> 00:17:02,501 I love listening to him. 250 00:17:03,031 --> 00:17:05,911 Anna Kettle: Yeah, I know there's a lot in that talk, wasn't there? 251 00:17:05,911 --> 00:17:08,611 It's just, yeah, a lot of content in a short time. 252 00:17:08,681 --> 00:17:12,021 I think patience is quite, it's just always a challenging subject, isn't it? 253 00:17:12,041 --> 00:17:12,861 Because it's hard. 254 00:17:12,861 --> 00:17:15,981 Like I think, especially in our culture, patience is hard. 255 00:17:16,041 --> 00:17:19,471 Like we were talking this morning because my son was watching 256 00:17:20,126 --> 00:17:23,116 YouTube and then an advert came up and he was getting so angry. 257 00:17:23,516 --> 00:17:25,566 He couldn't skip through the advert fast enough to get back 258 00:17:25,566 --> 00:17:26,676 to what he wanted to watch. 259 00:17:27,176 --> 00:17:29,066 And I was like, you have no idea. 260 00:17:29,076 --> 00:17:33,136 Like when we were kids, you had to watch five minutes of adverts every like 15 261 00:17:33,136 --> 00:17:35,326 minutes of TV, like it was just the norm. 262 00:17:35,826 --> 00:17:39,556 And I just, I don't know, more and more life is getting faster and faster. 263 00:17:39,556 --> 00:17:44,836 And because so technology and our digital age is making us, everything's 264 00:17:44,836 --> 00:17:46,186 more and more instant, isn't it? 265 00:17:46,226 --> 00:17:51,726 And patience is just not something that we like to do or we're good at doing. 266 00:17:51,726 --> 00:17:52,906 And I think you can see it. 267 00:17:53,006 --> 00:17:54,426 You can see it in our kids more than us. 268 00:17:54,426 --> 00:17:55,836 I think it's hard, isn't it? 269 00:17:56,646 --> 00:17:57,966 We want everything instant. 270 00:17:58,036 --> 00:17:58,336 Yeah. 271 00:17:58,476 --> 00:17:58,936 Yeah. 272 00:17:59,196 --> 00:18:03,536 Dan Orange: I think one of the, when I read like biographies of 273 00:18:04,026 --> 00:18:08,616 christians from, not even that long ago, perhaps 50, 60 years ago. 274 00:18:09,036 --> 00:18:13,461 In fact, even a, not a Christian this week, I've listened to the biography 275 00:18:13,461 --> 00:18:15,631 of Matthew Perry, who was an addict. 276 00:18:15,631 --> 00:18:20,381 It's very interesting that he dated Julia Roberts and they dated by 277 00:18:20,421 --> 00:18:22,461 fax because it was before text. 278 00:18:22,771 --> 00:18:26,491 Even back then, that wasn't very long ago, just that slowing down 279 00:18:26,521 --> 00:18:30,451 just slightly with so instant with emails and texts and everything. 280 00:18:31,331 --> 00:18:34,611 That it is a big jump, isn't it? 281 00:18:34,621 --> 00:18:36,301 To go just wait. 282 00:18:36,531 --> 00:18:41,891 I wrote in the notes when Dave was talking so many times wait, God's timing, waiting. 283 00:18:42,391 --> 00:18:45,241 Those that wait on the Lord shall renew their strength. 284 00:18:45,301 --> 00:18:46,014 Wait, that's. 285 00:18:48,124 --> 00:18:50,164 Anna Kettle: It doesn't come natural to us, does it? 286 00:18:50,164 --> 00:18:51,904 Because we just want everything now. 287 00:18:51,914 --> 00:18:56,534 But I love that definition that Dave gave at the end, that patience is the 288 00:18:56,534 --> 00:18:59,324 ability to tolerate hardship or waiting. 289 00:18:59,644 --> 00:19:01,154 And I think that's it, isn't it? 290 00:19:01,154 --> 00:19:05,164 It's the resilience, the ability to tolerate that, accept that waiting 291 00:19:05,164 --> 00:19:09,134 is part of life and that hardship is sometimes part of life too. 292 00:19:09,174 --> 00:19:12,814 And that actually, it's that ability to navigate those seasons 293 00:19:12,814 --> 00:19:14,324 of life well when they come. 294 00:19:14,524 --> 00:19:15,794 Dan Orange: Yeah, absolutely. 295 00:19:16,124 --> 00:19:19,044 And interesting, Dave said as well he doesn't know if sometimes 296 00:19:19,044 --> 00:19:22,384 whether it's patience with others we need or patience with God. 297 00:19:22,514 --> 00:19:23,904 Yeah, I thought that was good. 298 00:19:23,984 --> 00:19:27,404 Yeah, sometimes, often we're waiting for others. 299 00:19:27,404 --> 00:19:28,704 We think what's wrong with them? 300 00:19:28,704 --> 00:19:30,454 Why aren't they doing things with God? 301 00:19:31,024 --> 00:19:32,624 You had a great saying that you mentioned. 302 00:19:32,634 --> 00:19:32,874 Yeah, 303 00:19:32,924 --> 00:19:34,194 Anna Kettle: my dad always says this one. 304 00:19:34,204 --> 00:19:37,054 So he always says, I remember him saying it a lot when we're kids. 305 00:19:37,124 --> 00:19:40,674 If you could buy anything for God, if you could buy God one gift, it would be 306 00:19:40,674 --> 00:19:45,204 a watch because God never does anything in like our time scales as quickly as 307 00:19:45,204 --> 00:19:49,464 he'd like him to move when we're like praying or waiting for things to change. 308 00:19:49,464 --> 00:19:52,294 And I think, yeah, there is an element of that, isn't it? 309 00:19:52,324 --> 00:19:56,044 We'd all love God to work to human time scales, but the 310 00:19:56,064 --> 00:19:58,354 reality is he usually doesn't. 311 00:19:58,564 --> 00:20:00,884 Dan Orange: Yeah he's got the whole picture hasn't he, so he 312 00:20:00,884 --> 00:20:03,864 sees everything and we're there. 313 00:20:04,479 --> 00:20:06,319 Thinking it revolves around us. 314 00:20:07,749 --> 00:20:08,739 Anna Kettle: But it's interesting, isn't it? 315 00:20:08,739 --> 00:20:12,629 That combination that he was talking about, like he said, Dave said, I 316 00:20:13,009 --> 00:20:16,679 don't know if I find patience with God harder or patience with people. 317 00:20:16,709 --> 00:20:18,939 And I thought, yeah, that's interesting. 318 00:20:18,959 --> 00:20:20,979 I wonder what do you, what do you find harder, Dan? 319 00:20:21,139 --> 00:20:23,389 Patience with God or patience with other people? 320 00:20:24,169 --> 00:20:26,379 Dan Orange: I think, yeah. 321 00:20:27,554 --> 00:20:28,594 I think I'm a good combination. 322 00:20:28,754 --> 00:20:32,084 And then there's also patience with myself as well, isn't there? 323 00:20:32,184 --> 00:20:32,744 Why Dan? 324 00:20:32,744 --> 00:20:34,324 Why didn't you do this? 325 00:20:34,344 --> 00:20:36,494 Why did you take so long to twig? 326 00:20:36,814 --> 00:20:41,254 When God sometimes God has answered, sometimes he has said it and we've 327 00:20:41,254 --> 00:20:45,534 just taken such a long time really just to just twig to what he's saying. 328 00:20:46,224 --> 00:20:46,584 Yeah. 329 00:20:48,274 --> 00:20:49,134 Matt's just put in the comments. 330 00:20:49,554 --> 00:20:53,794 Yeah, it's a very important point to Matt, that I took the liberties 331 00:20:53,874 --> 00:20:55,724 of being able to speak on camera. 332 00:20:55,725 --> 00:20:59,144 Yeah, 333 00:20:59,144 --> 00:20:59,884 Anna Kettle: it's a bit mean. 334 00:21:00,214 --> 00:21:03,004 Dan Orange: We love him for it. 335 00:21:03,004 --> 00:21:04,634 Anna Kettle: Someone's got to support Manny. 336 00:21:05,234 --> 00:21:08,724 Anyway, moving on from football I, I don't know, I feel like I think 337 00:21:08,724 --> 00:21:10,324 they're both hard and you're right. 338 00:21:10,334 --> 00:21:12,264 Sometimes it's patience with yourself, isn't it? 339 00:21:12,294 --> 00:21:14,394 Like when you're like, oh, we're still here. 340 00:21:14,394 --> 00:21:17,234 Like you feel like, have I not learned this lesson? 341 00:21:17,234 --> 00:21:17,514 God? 342 00:21:17,514 --> 00:21:17,954 Yeah. 343 00:21:17,984 --> 00:21:20,414 I feel like sometimes you can be going around in circles. 344 00:21:20,414 --> 00:21:21,914 I feel like I've learned that one. 345 00:21:21,964 --> 00:21:24,114 Have I still got more to learn about patience? 346 00:21:24,114 --> 00:21:27,724 And yeah, it can be frustrating, but I don't know. 347 00:21:27,754 --> 00:21:32,324 I always feel like one of the main challenges for me is that 348 00:21:32,364 --> 00:21:33,944 God is so patient with us. 349 00:21:33,944 --> 00:21:34,004 Thanks. 350 00:21:34,559 --> 00:21:37,839 And that's one point that I was thinking of when Dave was talking, 351 00:21:38,039 --> 00:21:41,699 but I just think, because I was thinking, why is patience so important? 352 00:21:41,699 --> 00:21:45,849 But it's we should be patient with one another because God is so patient with us. 353 00:21:46,279 --> 00:21:49,599 And yeah, there's that Bible verse, isn't there? 354 00:21:49,599 --> 00:21:54,489 I think it's in 2 Peter 3, where he says God is patient with us, like 355 00:21:54,489 --> 00:21:59,579 wanting none to perish and to give everyone time to I just think, yeah, 356 00:21:59,579 --> 00:22:04,759 God isn't in a hurry for us to come to him like he is, but he doesn't rush us. 357 00:22:04,759 --> 00:22:10,139 He gives us time and in the same way, I think we should be like, 358 00:22:10,199 --> 00:22:13,859 yeah, generous and like patient with one another, definitely. 359 00:22:14,689 --> 00:22:18,719 Dan Orange: And I'd never put patience and enduring the cross 360 00:22:19,609 --> 00:22:21,049 together really in that way. 361 00:22:21,050 --> 00:22:26,489 And when Dave was speaking, he was talking about people mocking Jesus 362 00:22:26,549 --> 00:22:29,939 as he was carrying that cross and he was on the cross and being mocked. 363 00:22:29,949 --> 00:22:33,279 And there's an old hymn that talks about, he could have called 364 00:22:33,279 --> 00:22:37,399 10, 000 angels to destroy the world and just to set him free. 365 00:22:37,839 --> 00:22:44,899 That patience wasn't just the, he is the God of the earth and he 366 00:22:44,899 --> 00:22:48,959 let people physically abuse him and let people shout at him, let 367 00:22:48,959 --> 00:22:51,069 people belittle him, if you like. 368 00:22:51,449 --> 00:22:51,659 And that. 369 00:22:53,244 --> 00:22:58,854 Yeah, I'd never linked it just to being patient and knowing this is for your good. 370 00:22:58,974 --> 00:23:00,144 I'm doing this now. 371 00:23:00,394 --> 00:23:05,104 You don't know it now, but I'll be patient that in time you can get 372 00:23:05,114 --> 00:23:07,104 to, you can get to know me more. 373 00:23:07,624 --> 00:23:08,244 Anna Kettle: Yeah. 374 00:23:08,724 --> 00:23:10,824 And I think that's the other part of patience that Dave was 375 00:23:10,824 --> 00:23:11,894 talking about really, wasn't it? 376 00:23:11,934 --> 00:23:14,114 That patient endurance through suffering. 377 00:23:14,234 --> 00:23:18,804 And we quite often think of patience, like in a time sense 378 00:23:18,804 --> 00:23:19,744 Oh, I'm waiting for somebody. 379 00:23:19,744 --> 00:23:20,664 I've got to be patient. 380 00:23:20,684 --> 00:23:21,394 I'm queuing. 381 00:23:21,394 --> 00:23:22,944 I'm waiting for something to happen. 382 00:23:23,414 --> 00:23:25,354 I'm praying, I'm waiting for an answer. 383 00:23:25,644 --> 00:23:28,824 We don't, I don't know about you, but I don't always think about patience 384 00:23:28,854 --> 00:23:34,624 so much in that kind of context of patient endurance through suffering. 385 00:23:34,824 --> 00:23:37,874 And I think actually that's what Jesus demonstrates most 386 00:23:37,874 --> 00:23:39,064 through his life, isn't it? 387 00:23:39,064 --> 00:23:42,979 Like that kind of suffering on the cross, that's that kind of, 388 00:23:43,089 --> 00:23:44,659 Dan Orange: and that patience is a choice. 389 00:23:45,379 --> 00:23:46,749 It's something you actually do. 390 00:23:46,749 --> 00:23:49,499 It's not just something that gets put upon you. 391 00:23:49,559 --> 00:23:50,749 I have to wait. 392 00:23:51,129 --> 00:23:55,609 We can choose to wait and we can choose to that patience and it's a gift from God. 393 00:23:55,609 --> 00:23:56,709 So it's one of the gifts. 394 00:23:56,709 --> 00:23:57,839 That's why we're doing this talk. 395 00:23:57,839 --> 00:24:01,479 So it must be something that God can give more of to us. 396 00:24:01,569 --> 00:24:01,929 Anna Kettle: Yeah. 397 00:24:01,929 --> 00:24:06,269 So do you think you can like pray and ask God for more patience for a situation 398 00:24:06,269 --> 00:24:11,719 or maybe for a person or just something that you've got to endure or like when 399 00:24:11,719 --> 00:24:15,969 you're going through a hard season, you can say, God give me more patience to just 400 00:24:15,969 --> 00:24:18,019 endure this well and to get through it. 401 00:24:18,469 --> 00:24:19,059 I think so. 402 00:24:19,719 --> 00:24:20,379 Dan Orange: I believe so. 403 00:24:20,409 --> 00:24:23,879 And I think God gives us a little, he does help us on that way. 404 00:24:23,879 --> 00:24:26,709 He might not, the complete answer might not come along, 405 00:24:27,229 --> 00:24:27,259 Anna Kettle: but 406 00:24:27,269 --> 00:24:31,269 Dan Orange: we might get a testimony, a story of things that have happened 407 00:24:31,389 --> 00:24:36,349 that are encouraging us, things, little things that have changed or brought us 408 00:24:36,499 --> 00:24:39,159 on or that situation is getting closer. 409 00:24:39,239 --> 00:24:39,719 Anna Kettle: Yeah. 410 00:24:40,169 --> 00:24:40,629 Yeah. 411 00:24:41,049 --> 00:24:41,259 Yeah. 412 00:24:41,259 --> 00:24:42,039 That's really good. 413 00:24:42,159 --> 00:24:43,169 Yeah, it's challenging, isn't it? 414 00:24:43,169 --> 00:24:45,979 I feel like patience is not something I regularly pray for 415 00:24:45,979 --> 00:24:47,449 more of, and I probably should. 416 00:24:47,479 --> 00:24:50,859 I'm not an especially patient person as my husband will be 417 00:24:50,859 --> 00:24:53,089 the first to tell you, but. 418 00:24:53,369 --> 00:24:57,299 Yeah, I feel like that's something that even just listening to this talk 419 00:24:57,329 --> 00:24:59,149 tonight challenges me quite a lot. 420 00:24:59,199 --> 00:25:03,569 Like how often do I actually ask for patience, just even in everyday stuff? 421 00:25:03,629 --> 00:25:07,089 Dan Orange: Yeah, and I don't think it even has to be that long a wait. 422 00:25:07,159 --> 00:25:11,239 I was reading just, I think it was just yesterday about when a man 423 00:25:11,239 --> 00:25:14,919 came up to Jesus and he asked to be healed and Jesus spat on the ground 424 00:25:14,969 --> 00:25:16,679 and put some clay in his eyes. 425 00:25:16,859 --> 00:25:19,129 And I might be getting a too. 426 00:25:19,604 --> 00:25:21,334 Miracles mixed up with the clay. 427 00:25:21,554 --> 00:25:23,094 And he said, can you see? 428 00:25:23,094 --> 00:25:25,414 And said I see people like trees walking. 429 00:25:25,415 --> 00:25:28,864 So his vision was there, but wasn't quite there. 430 00:25:28,865 --> 00:25:33,925 And that could be, for us, that might be something God says, I'm doing something. 431 00:25:34,215 --> 00:25:35,315 It's not done yet. 432 00:25:35,790 --> 00:25:40,750 And then Jesus said, he prayed and his vision was restored completely. 433 00:25:40,890 --> 00:25:45,250 And that might've only been, seconds, but there was something there that was that 434 00:25:45,810 --> 00:25:51,340 I'll ask, and I'm going to ask again, I'm not just going to jump straight ahead. 435 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:52,280 Anna Kettle: Yeah, definitely. 436 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:52,620 Yeah. 437 00:25:52,620 --> 00:25:54,321 It's a really good point. 438 00:25:54,321 --> 00:25:58,404 I noticed in the comments, Matt said, I have, I struggle having 439 00:25:58,404 --> 00:25:59,764 patients with my neighbours. 440 00:26:00,065 --> 00:26:03,255 And I think, yeah, that's a really practical example, isn't it? 441 00:26:03,475 --> 00:26:07,855 Anyone who find difficult for whatever frustrating reason, 442 00:26:07,865 --> 00:26:10,045 neighbors, work colleagues. 443 00:26:10,205 --> 00:26:13,655 Yeah, people we live alongside every day who just like maybe rub us up. 444 00:26:14,015 --> 00:26:15,480 Yeah, it's the hardest when 445 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,480 Dan Orange: You can't physically get away from someone. 446 00:26:18,610 --> 00:26:20,330 Yeah, that can be really tricky. 447 00:26:20,380 --> 00:26:21,210 Yeah, we'll pray for you, Matt. 448 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,095 Pray for more patience. 449 00:26:23,105 --> 00:26:26,445 For more patience and also for answers to that as well. 450 00:26:26,455 --> 00:26:31,775 So it's not just increasing patience, but increase in a 451 00:26:31,775 --> 00:26:34,345 better of that situation to help. 452 00:26:34,745 --> 00:26:38,035 Anna Kettle: Yeah Dave's watching in actually and he's just written 453 00:26:38,615 --> 00:26:42,305 patience requires us to put our trust in God while we are waiting. 454 00:26:42,715 --> 00:26:46,935 Yeah, that's absolutely right, it's about that trust in God. 455 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,230 That's part of where the patience comes from, doesn't it? 456 00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:53,260 Knowing that God is good and God is going to come through. 457 00:26:53,450 --> 00:26:58,070 And, that maybe doesn't happen in the timescales we want to see, or even 458 00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:59,850 in the way we want to see always. 459 00:26:59,890 --> 00:27:05,000 But it's that trust in God that says, God has this covered, so I can wait. 460 00:27:05,180 --> 00:27:05,560 Yeah, 461 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:06,190 Dan Orange: exactly. 462 00:27:07,170 --> 00:27:07,530 Yeah. 463 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:08,140 Anna Kettle: Yeah. 464 00:27:09,710 --> 00:27:10,660 Dan Orange: It's great, isn't it? 465 00:27:10,910 --> 00:27:18,525 It's great to have a God that is overall who understands us. 466 00:27:18,915 --> 00:27:20,305 So it doesn't just 467 00:27:23,665 --> 00:27:26,655 sometimes Jesus when he was talking to disciples, you 468 00:27:26,655 --> 00:27:28,195 could see that he said, why? 469 00:27:28,235 --> 00:27:28,685 Why? 470 00:27:29,405 --> 00:27:30,815 Why haven't you got this yet? 471 00:27:31,075 --> 00:27:33,825 But yet he still gave more parables and he still gave examples. 472 00:27:33,825 --> 00:27:35,655 He didn't give up on them. 473 00:27:35,745 --> 00:27:37,415 And he doesn't give up on us. 474 00:27:37,565 --> 00:27:38,435 Anna Kettle: Yeah, definitely. 475 00:27:38,525 --> 00:27:39,185 Definitely. 476 00:27:40,185 --> 00:27:40,645 Yeah. 477 00:27:41,145 --> 00:27:44,465 So tell us what have we got on next week then, Dan. 478 00:27:44,655 --> 00:27:48,425 Dan Orange: Matt Edmundson is going to speak on kindness next 479 00:27:48,425 --> 00:27:51,945 week and he's presenting as well with his wonderful wife, Sharon. 480 00:27:52,355 --> 00:27:53,695 So it will be the Edmundson show. 481 00:27:55,375 --> 00:27:55,765 It makes 482 00:27:55,765 --> 00:27:59,275 Anna Kettle: a difference from it being the Dan and Anna show, which 483 00:27:59,305 --> 00:28:02,155 we've had for the last couple of weeks, so we've had enough of us. 484 00:28:02,505 --> 00:28:04,635 No, that will be good, even though it's double Edmo. 485 00:28:05,785 --> 00:28:07,275 Dan Orange: It's double Edmo, but it'll be good. 486 00:28:07,795 --> 00:28:08,225 Anna Kettle: Yeah. 487 00:28:08,285 --> 00:28:11,295 Kindness is like another one of the fruits of the spirit, isn't it? 488 00:28:11,535 --> 00:28:11,955 Yeah. 489 00:28:11,956 --> 00:28:12,055 Yeah. 490 00:28:12,665 --> 00:28:15,155 Dan Orange: So if you want to get in contact with us this week, 491 00:28:15,175 --> 00:28:20,095 please just, however you want to make that contact, go to crowd. 492 00:28:20,305 --> 00:28:24,025 church, there's WhatsApp there, we're still getting prayer requests in. 493 00:28:24,025 --> 00:28:27,485 We've had some great answers to prayers, God doing a work and 494 00:28:27,495 --> 00:28:32,255 still, there's still lots to, to do, but it's that patience as well. 495 00:28:32,485 --> 00:28:36,465 People have seen things happen yeah, and we love praying for you. 496 00:28:36,855 --> 00:28:39,145 And what's the story if you want to hear? 497 00:28:39,265 --> 00:28:39,965 Yeah, what's the story? 498 00:28:40,705 --> 00:28:44,085 The real life answers to prayer and patience. 499 00:28:44,255 --> 00:28:44,605 Anna Kettle: Yeah. 500 00:28:44,845 --> 00:28:47,815 I was going to say, actually, what's the story podcast. 501 00:28:47,815 --> 00:28:51,670 So we do a midweek podcast and I've just recorded one recently with 502 00:28:51,710 --> 00:28:53,300 a lady called Katherine Gantlett. 503 00:28:53,410 --> 00:28:55,430 And I think that went live last week. 504 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,910 And she talks about patience and waiting. 505 00:28:59,270 --> 00:29:00,880 She waited for a long time for children. 506 00:29:01,375 --> 00:29:06,905 And yeah, just a really great example of patient endurance through suffering. 507 00:29:06,985 --> 00:29:11,205 And yeah, if you're interested in more of that subject, then check out that podcast. 508 00:29:11,215 --> 00:29:14,255 Cause I'm really, there's loads of great stories on that and I'm 509 00:29:14,285 --> 00:29:17,515 biased cause I've recorded some of them, I love doing that podcast 510 00:29:17,535 --> 00:29:22,545 cause I just meet so many inspiring people who just live out in their 511 00:29:22,545 --> 00:29:24,875 everyday life and, in a million ways. 512 00:29:24,875 --> 00:29:26,855 So yeah, there's so much good content on that. 513 00:29:27,355 --> 00:29:28,935 Podcast guys, so do check it out. 514 00:29:30,295 --> 00:29:31,925 Dan Orange: Thanks very much, Anna. 515 00:29:31,995 --> 00:29:35,235 Thanks very much for joining us and we will see you next week. 516 00:29:35,765 --> 00:29:36,355 God bless you. 517 00:29:36,485 --> 00:29:37,185 Anna Kettle: Take care, guys. 518 00:29:37,225 --> 00:29:38,015 Have a good week. 519 00:29:40,125 --> 00:29:43,915 Matt Edmundson: Thank you so much for joining us here on Crowd Church. 520 00:29:44,265 --> 00:29:48,215 Now, if you are watching on YouTube, make sure you hit the subscribe 521 00:29:48,215 --> 00:29:52,455 button, as well as that little tiny bell notification to get notified 522 00:29:52,455 --> 00:29:55,170 when we The next time we are live. 523 00:29:55,260 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