Before you sell your Amazon business, go and speak to
Speaker:a people love knowing that they have something to do every
Speaker:single day. The cons of selling the business is that maybe you're going to
Speaker:lose your purpose in life. Maybe this is also a business that you've created
Speaker:from scratch and you're going to regret selling it. Stop what you're
Speaker:doing and write this down because this is absolute gold.
Speaker:So I went and spoke to a business broker and the advice that
Speaker:he gave me was, I'm Matthew Fraser, and this
Speaker:is Amazon Ecom Secrets. I'll be sharing with you the secrets
Speaker:that helped me go from millions in debt to an
Speaker:eight-figure entrepreneur. If you're ready to escape the nine-to-five
Speaker:and live life on your terms, let me show you the way. In
Speaker:today's episode, we're going to talk about selling your
Speaker:Amazon business, or it could even be selling your
Speaker:Shopify-based business. And is it a
Speaker:good idea to sell or is it not a good idea
Speaker:to sell? I'm going to talk about the pros and cons for each of those scenarios. Now,
Speaker:it really comes down to everyone's individual circumstances.
Speaker:Let's say that you've started an Amazon business from scratch. You've
Speaker:sourced a product from China. You've created a brand, you've
Speaker:trademarked it, maybe even you have a patent
Speaker:on your product which could be a utility patent or a design patent
Speaker:which is something unique about your product and
Speaker:in fact creates more uniqueness to
Speaker:your product obviously through the patent. But it also
Speaker:creates more value to the overall business because now you've
Speaker:got something unique to sell. So maybe that's you.
Speaker:So let's say you've been trading for five years and you've
Speaker:been doing the hard yards the whole time and you've
Speaker:got a lot of money that's been invested into this business. Now usually by
Speaker:the time you get to five years down the track, Depending,
Speaker:but you may have quite a large amount of inventory,
Speaker:let's say $100,000, $200,000, $300,000 worth of
Speaker:inventory. You've maybe invested as well in IP such
Speaker:as the patent and trademark that I mentioned before, maybe even the R&D of
Speaker:the product. Gee, that could be anything, let's say even $200,000. So now you've got
Speaker:$200,000 of just startup. in
Speaker:R&D and now $300,000-odd in
Speaker:actual inventory. And so ideally, when you're now looking to exit
Speaker:this business, and it could be from a range of things, but you've now decided, for
Speaker:whatever reason, it could be divorce. Hopefully, it's not a divorce. But
Speaker:it could be you're just sick and tired of it. You're going through a life
Speaker:change. You want to get rid of this business and look at some other opportunities and
Speaker:you're looking to cash out. So, you're really hoping
Speaker:to now get back at least the $200,000 that you
Speaker:started up the business, and of course, your $300,000 in inventory.
Speaker:And normally, a selling price will be a multiple figure.
Speaker:Now, in the US, for example, they actually use a multiple of months.
Speaker:So, when you go into particular websites, we'll talk about them later, websites
Speaker:who actually help you sell your business. They
Speaker:work in month multiples, so they might say times 34, and it means 34 times
Speaker:the average net profit of the business. In Australia, we talk
Speaker:about in years, so it'd be 3x, 4x, 5x. And
Speaker:an Amazon business traditionally would probably sell for probably
Speaker:a 3x if it's good, maybe even a 4x if it's really,
Speaker:really unique and has really strong profits and
Speaker:great IP to protect the brand and the product. So
Speaker:you're really hoping, let's say the product that you've got in Amazon, it's
Speaker:selling and it's doing $500,000 a year in profit. At a 3x multiple, you're
Speaker:looking now at a $1.5 million sale price
Speaker:and plus stock, plus your inventory.
Speaker:So that would be another, on top of that, $300,000 in
Speaker:cost price inventory, cost price to you, not to the consumer.
Speaker:And so now your sale price is really now $1.8 million. Now,
Speaker:out of that $1.8 million, obviously, you got your $300,000 to pay back the
Speaker:stock. And you've also got the $1.5 million, which can
Speaker:now go towards paying your initial investment, which was,
Speaker:in this scenario, $200,000. So pretty
Speaker:good at the end of the day. You would now walk away with
Speaker:inventory back to you. But if we forget about that for a second, We're
Speaker:now talking $1.3 million in
Speaker:profit, not including the inventory, and happy days. You
Speaker:can now use that money. And also, don't forget tax,
Speaker:right? Don't forget the government's going to come in there and give you a good
Speaker:old Yeah, make sure you pay up, steal
Speaker:your cash out. And that's a whole other story of
Speaker:why we don't want to pay as much tax. But make sure you've got a good
Speaker:accountant. That leads me down another little rabbit
Speaker:hole here. Make sure you've got a good accountant. And in
Speaker:saying that, when you sell the business, may
Speaker:be the difference between how much you net or not,
Speaker:depending on the tax financial year. So before you
Speaker:sell, go and speak to a professional accountant and
Speaker:make sure it's the right time because it could have different tax
Speaker:implications for you depending on the timeline. Let's
Speaker:say you've walked away though with now $1.3 million, let's say minus
Speaker:tax, let's say roughly $1 million. You can now use
Speaker:that $1 million for whatever you want. It might be to now put
Speaker:that into a new startup because now you've decided you want to do something fresh.
Speaker:Maybe you're going to go put that into property. Maybe you're going to put that into first
Speaker:mortgage fund and just collect 10% a year. It's completely up
Speaker:to you. And so really it becomes a
Speaker:lifestyle type of sale of the lifestyle that
Speaker:you perhaps don't want the business. Hopefully it's not because of
Speaker:a divorce. But there's some of the reasons why
Speaker:you want to sell. Now, you're probably going to ask me now, but
Speaker:Matt, you know, is it, so that's, that's sort of, I guess, the pros
Speaker:of selling. I'm going to get an upfront lump sum and I'm going to be
Speaker:able to exit the business. And now I just have no business at all. And
Speaker:I can just go and sit on the beach if I want to. Yes, there's
Speaker:that. But just think about this though, from a
Speaker:negative point of view, what is the con of it? And that is that
Speaker:in the first three years, if you continue to make $500,000 a
Speaker:year, after the first three years, you're now back to zero,
Speaker:right? So you sell it for 1.5 mil. And
Speaker:in fact, when you take away tax and other expenses,
Speaker:you've really got roughly two years. So two years
Speaker:of profit until you catch up with your lump sum that
Speaker:you would have got two years earlier, yeah? And maybe that's now
Speaker:not such a good idea. Maybe it was better to hold on to that business
Speaker:and collect the $500,000 for the next 10 years
Speaker:because that's now over 10 years going to be $5 million. And
Speaker:maybe that sounds better for you. But as I said before, it really comes down
Speaker:to your personal circumstances and maybe you want a new life change,
Speaker:something different to do, or go sit on the beach. So that's something to think about. But
Speaker:I want to share with you a story of in
Speaker:my situation when I thought about selling. And
Speaker:I had this healthcare product and I had an exclusive distribution for
Speaker:selling this product on Amazon around the
Speaker:world, let's say, most countries around the world. And I
Speaker:just sort of woke up one day and thought, you know what, why don't I just sell this business and
Speaker:cash out? And I think at the time I was able
Speaker:to probably, you know, doing sort of three to five X, I can't remember exactly,
Speaker:but it was about, it was almost $10 million I
Speaker:was thinking I was going to be able to collect as a sale price.
Speaker:And I thought that was gonna be great. So
Speaker:what did I do? As I went and spoke to a business broker.
Speaker:Yeah, someone who buys and sells businesses. And
Speaker:I actually got that advice though from my
Speaker:coach at the time. My business coach said, hey, if you're thinking about
Speaker:selling, you should go and speak to a business broker first and
Speaker:make sure the business is packaged up in a way that's going
Speaker:to be in the best position to get the best price.
Speaker:And it was something that I obviously had never thought about selling an online business before,
Speaker:so it never crossed my mind. And so that's what
Speaker:I did. I made an appointment with this guy. I paid him a very
Speaker:small fee, really. But I got his advice. And there was
Speaker:something that came out of it which was absolutely extraordinary.
Speaker:And if you are If you're traveling, if you're
Speaker:driving, riding a bike, walking, stop
Speaker:what you're doing and write this down because this is absolute
Speaker:gold. And the advice that he gave me was because
Speaker:I set the stage. I've been in the business for a
Speaker:few years and my distribution agreement only
Speaker:was for five years initially.
Speaker:And I was already three years into the business. So
Speaker:now there's only two years remaining on the exclusive distribution contract.
Speaker:Not something I had thought of would be an issue. But as he sat down
Speaker:and worked out the numbers, he said, look, you're only going to be able to sell this based
Speaker:on a two-year multiple, because that's all the person who's buying the
Speaker:business is going to be able to really guarantee the business for the
Speaker:two years for them. And after that,
Speaker:they would have to renegotiate the Exclusive Distribution Agreement. Now,
Speaker:as you can appreciate, if they go back to the owner of the business, he might say, no,
Speaker:I'm not doing anything. So therefore, that's the end of it for them. Or
Speaker:he might change the terms, which then obviously changes a lot of things in the
Speaker:initial buying of the business and what their profit is going to be ongoing. So
Speaker:he said, what you need to do, and this is the point I'm going to get to, so
Speaker:write this note down. What he said was, go back to the owner
Speaker:of the business and renegotiate the terms of
Speaker:the contract. And I thought, I'd never even thought
Speaker:of that. So I went, I literally did that.
Speaker:I went back to the owner, and I had to put my thinking hat on. What
Speaker:do I really need? Now, he said to me, I only had two years remaining.
Speaker:So to make it more attractive for a buyer, I needed a
Speaker:longer term. So straight away, I went in and said, 10-year contract,
Speaker:please. That's what I asked for. But keep in mind, the
Speaker:only reason why I was able to get it, and I did get the
Speaker:10 years, but the only reason why I could get the 10 years was because
Speaker:I had proven sales. I was selling in literally
Speaker:like this, Amazon, US, Canada, UK,
Speaker:Australia, Japan, Europe, and
Speaker:I was selling on Shopify. And I was actually packaging up the
Speaker:whole thing, just like, here it is, take the whole thing
Speaker:to the new buyer, you can have everything. and
Speaker:all the countries. So then the owner has granted the
Speaker:10-year term. I'm thinking this is brilliant because now I
Speaker:can go back to the market and say to a new buyer,
Speaker:you've now got a guaranteed 10 years of trading, which is going to be way
Speaker:more attractive for someone than just two years. Now, the other
Speaker:thing I put in was something, this is another one to write down. I was
Speaker:also concerned at the time that the owner of the business may,
Speaker:and this was something that we discussed and I knew was probably
Speaker:on the cards, is that he was going to sell his
Speaker:business, right? And now I'm talking like for
Speaker:50, 100 plus million dollars. And I was afraid
Speaker:that if he sold it to a big, let's
Speaker:say pharmaceutical company, that they would just cut
Speaker:me out. They'd just tear up the contract and say, no, sorry Matt, we've
Speaker:now bought the business and we don't need you anymore. Now, I don't know if that
Speaker:would have happened but that was certainly a concern for me and I
Speaker:didn't have that in my initial agreement. So this is
Speaker:something that I tell my clients now that I'm telling you
Speaker:is this is something that you should have in your distribution agreement
Speaker:if you can. Now, sometimes you might not be able to get it, but
Speaker:you might need to prove the sales first and then
Speaker:come back later and ask for more after you've proven
Speaker:yourself and your sales. So I said, I
Speaker:want, in lieu of the fact I was afraid of the owner selling
Speaker:the business, I said, what I want is if you, Mr.
Speaker:Business Owner, if you sell the business, I
Speaker:want 10% of the gross amount of sales.
Speaker:So if he sold his business for $100 million, I
Speaker:was going to get a payout of $10 million. And the
Speaker:other thing I put in there was and
Speaker:or, it
Speaker:was and or five times my
Speaker:last year's profit So if I'd done $500,000 in
Speaker:profit, I would get $2.5 million. But
Speaker:in the cause, it was whichever is the greatest. So
Speaker:if the $10 million is the greatest, that's what I was going to get. And
Speaker:that just gave me a lot of peace of mind. that if anything
Speaker:happened from his side through a sale, that I would also have my
Speaker:business protected either with the $10 million payout or the $2.5 roughly
Speaker:million payout. And this was something that now,
Speaker:I guess this is something that you could put into your contract to give you more
Speaker:protection. The other thing that I put in there was I made it
Speaker:really, really clear that if
Speaker:I wanted to transfer this business ownership, transfer my
Speaker:business ownership, the exclusive distribution, that it
Speaker:was very, very simple. Now, what the owner ended up doing
Speaker:was putting in another clause that said, he has the first right
Speaker:of refusal, which means that if I had someone come
Speaker:to me and say, Matt, I'm gonna give you $10 million for your business, the
Speaker:owner of the brand had the first option to
Speaker:also agree to buy it out at $10 million. So
Speaker:either way, I was now protected. And that is definitely something
Speaker:that you should think about putting into your contract and something that I talk
Speaker:to my clients about all the time in putting something like
Speaker:that in their contract to protect themselves for whatever happens in
Speaker:the future. So guys, that bit of information that I
Speaker:paid for with the broker, I just gave to you for
Speaker:free. So do not underestimate that bit
Speaker:of knowledge that I just passed on to you. And I hope you write that down somewhere,
Speaker:at least think about it when you're doing a contract with
Speaker:an exclusive distribution or similar, that you
Speaker:protect yourself if possible and write that down in the contract. So,
Speaker:so powerful, absolute golden information. So
Speaker:we've really focused on what are some of the positives of selling
Speaker:the business but what are the cons of selling the business? Well, first of all, I just
Speaker:touched on the fact that you could lose cash flow. Obviously,
Speaker:you're not going to collect your $500,000 a year if you sell it today.
Speaker:The other thing though is the cons of selling the business is
Speaker:that maybe you're going to lose your purpose in life. Some
Speaker:people love knowing that they have something to
Speaker:do every single day. So if you get rid of this business, I
Speaker:think it's important to know what is your next step going to be
Speaker:in life. Maybe this is also a business that you've created from
Speaker:scratch and you're going to regret selling it. A lot of people who,
Speaker:particularly if they're really married to the business and it's something they've started from
Speaker:scratch, they've developed the product, they've come up with a brand
Speaker:name, they can get quite emotional about it. But
Speaker:maybe you won't if you're going to be checking them out, I don't know. But just think
Speaker:about that as a consequence of selling this business and
Speaker:are you going to be I guess emotionally and intellectually
Speaker:satisfied if you were to just let this go. Of course,
Speaker:one of the advantages of selling it is that now you've got
Speaker:a whole bunch more time on your hands. So now you can really think about things that
Speaker:you want to do into the future. One other thing that
Speaker:you should consider that could be a con in selling your business
Speaker:is the fact that What sort of expenses do you currently run
Speaker:through your business? A lot of people run car, fuel,
Speaker:insurance, insurance is potentially on a home office,
Speaker:your computer, your lighting in
Speaker:the office. There's just so many things that people run through
Speaker:their business. Now, if you sell the business, and you don't have
Speaker:the cash flow now, you're going to have to still continue most
Speaker:likely to pay for the car. Unless you're going to sell the car, but you're probably not. So
Speaker:you're going to have to still pay for the car, the fuel,
Speaker:the insurance, computer expenses, maybe there's subscriptions. Most
Speaker:people have a lot of subscriptions that put through the business. So you're
Speaker:now going to have to come up with that money yourself. and
Speaker:if you don't have another source of income, that could be a challenge for you. So you're
Speaker:probably looking at this episode or listening to this episode now and thinking, but
Speaker:Matt, what have you done? Have you sold a business or
Speaker:are you looking to sell your business? And I can tell you, I
Speaker:mentioned before about going to sell the business and I was thinking about selling it
Speaker:but I obviously redid the whole contract. What happened after that
Speaker:though, I didn't end up selling the business. And
Speaker:I don't know upon reflection if it was something that I now regret because during
Speaker:that time, it was absolutely in its heyday. I was making so much money.
Speaker:If I could have sold the business, In
Speaker:hindsight, I probably should have if I could have
Speaker:collected $10 million. But that said,
Speaker:I've actually made more than $10 million in cash flow in that time, like
Speaker:in profit. So I'm actually ahead financially
Speaker:and what it's also done is it has enabled me
Speaker:to put a lot of things through the business like I just said before. So now
Speaker:that I really think about it, I think the best decision now having looked
Speaker:back, was to not sell the business. And to date, I
Speaker:still haven't sold that business because it's still generating
Speaker:cash flow, I'm able to put a lot of things through the business, it's
Speaker:generating profit, and it's giving me a lifestyle which
Speaker:most people would really envy. Now, If
Speaker:you're someone who's in a position where you do want to sell either your
Speaker:Amazon or Shopify or just an online business in general, then
Speaker:there are places that you can go to to do research and
Speaker:also sell and buy businesses. And I'm going to give you some
Speaker:of them right now. Two top platforms that come to mind.
Speaker:One is empireflippers.com. That's empireflippers.com. probably
Speaker:one of the biggest brokers out there at the moment. And
Speaker:they sell not just Amazon FBA businesses, but
Speaker:content sites, affiliate sites, subscription
Speaker:sites. There's just so many variations of
Speaker:online businesses and they sell them all. So if you get
Speaker:a moment, jump onto empireflippers.com and just have a look. And
Speaker:you'll actually see, keep in mind that it's in America, so they use a monthly
Speaker:multiple. monthly multiple of the profit to get their sale price,
Speaker:but it tells you the type of business it is, what niche it's in,
Speaker:what its turnover is per month, and what they're asking for
Speaker:the business. And if you supply your details, in other words,
Speaker:you log in for a free account, when you click
Speaker:on these particular listings for businesses, you can actually even
Speaker:go deeper and find out exactly what the product is,
Speaker:what sort of assets come with it. So assets can be things like, the
Speaker:patterns, the trademarks, but also things like Facebook
Speaker:accounts, Instagram accounts, YouTube accounts, because
Speaker:all those platforms are worth money, because you can use
Speaker:those platforms, obviously, to help make sales. And
Speaker:if you've been in this space for even a little bit, you know, starting, for example, a
Speaker:YouTube channel, It takes a lot of time. So what's
Speaker:happening here is you're fast-forwarding your time by just buying
Speaker:an established business, potentially, or even you're selling, and
Speaker:you just simply get that right then and there without the time delay. But
Speaker:you can go through all these different checks. Now, another question
Speaker:that comes up to me is, well, how do I trust An
Speaker:online business like this, how do I just fork out my
Speaker:money and hope that the sales are going to be there or I'm going to even get the business? Empire
Speaker:Flippers, as an example, has been in the industry for
Speaker:many, many years. And what they do is they also
Speaker:grade and do due diligence on the business for
Speaker:you. That said, you should also do
Speaker:your own due diligence, which is basically just checking things out and making sure everything's legit.
Speaker:One thing to note though, with something like an Amazon business, you can't
Speaker:actually fudge the numbers. If you're getting the exact
Speaker:data from Amazon, then you
Speaker:can't just fudge it. Like if you go and buy a milk bar down the
Speaker:road or a hairdressing salon, they
Speaker:can easily run a second set of books. The books they
Speaker:provide to the tax office and to you, which are going to be lower sales,
Speaker:and their own, probably a lot of cash in hand, et cetera, et cetera. And
Speaker:so you don't really know what the sales are going to be because they can manipulate it.
Speaker:Whereas an online business, it's much harder to manipulate the
Speaker:sales because it's going through other
Speaker:platforms systems which are spit out the numbers. So that's one
Speaker:thing to note. The other thing to know too is that when you're buying one
Speaker:of these businesses, the money goes into escrow, which
Speaker:means that it's sitting in, let's say,
Speaker:someone else's account, not controlled by the buyer or
Speaker:the seller. And so let's say you are buying a business and
Speaker:it's a million dollars. You could put in the million dollars into escrow
Speaker:and then the seller will release the details of the business. You
Speaker:can then verify the details, make sure it's all hunky-dory. And
Speaker:then once you let Empire Flippers know that everything is good to go, they
Speaker:then release the money to the seller. So there's all these kind of checks and
Speaker:balances that are in place to protect both the buyer and the seller.
Speaker:And that's why these platforms are so well trusted now. The
Speaker:other company you can check out is Quiet Light Brokers,
Speaker:same as Empire Flippers, but I don't really like their dashboard as
Speaker:much. I think Empire Flippers is much easier to understand and navigate. And
Speaker:the other platform that you can check out is Flippa.com, that's
Speaker:F-L-I-P-P-A.com. Flippa.com, I
Speaker:would say, sells a lot of businesses, or buys
Speaker:and sells a lot of businesses as a brokerage platform. that
Speaker:are in much lower tier. So probably under the
Speaker:$500,000 mark, whereas Empire Flippers will do
Speaker:under the 500 and also well into the sort of
Speaker:six, seven, up to $10 million range. Quite like brokers, they
Speaker:probably do more of the higher ticket things. So that's something to
Speaker:consider when you're looking at these types of different platforms. But please,
Speaker:go and check them out, get an understanding of what's out there, because maybe if
Speaker:you're going into the Amazon niche or into the Shopify niche, Selling
Speaker:your business is something that you should be considering and at
Speaker:least planning for even if you never end
Speaker:up selling. Always have your business ready for sale. So
Speaker:guys, thank you so much for joining me. I really hope you've enjoyed this episode. If
Speaker:you are enjoying this episode, please leave a five-star review on
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