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Gail, welcome to Seek Go Create.

Tim, wonderful.

I am glad you're here too.

We had a great conversation before we started recording, but

I gotta stick with my question.

My, my first question, we've just met each other, we're pretending, which

we have, and I ask you what you do.

What do you tell people when they ask you what you do?

I help women build their businesses on kingdom values.

Period.

Period.

All right, so here's my follow-up question, which is what we

like when people ask us what we do.

My follow-up question would be values.

What is that?

Great question.

I'm so glad you asked.

so there are clear biblical values, in scripture, that the Lord has given us

honoring him, seeking him first, declaring his word in our lives following his word

when he tells us, I give you my plan.

I have plans for you to prosper.

You do not harm you.

so we are building our businesses on.

The truth of what God has told us, about our lives instead of

focusing on circumstances and what the world's paradigm is, say, no, I

wanna build my business on kingdom values, on biblical principles.

So what's interesting, I'm sure that with that message you attract

a lot of what we would call, we'd call 'em Christians, I'll use that word.

I'm actually getting where, I don't wanna use that word as much.

I hate to say

true story, I tell my part of my story is I tell people that I

had a Christian to kingdom conversion.

that leads right into the question I was gonna have.

'cause I'm sure, in fact, I know without a doubt that many people that would

profess to be Christians, that they use that title no idea what we're talking

about when we use the term kingdom.

Now I also think that sometimes we throw around jargon within quote

unquote the followers of Christ, the kingdom that a lot of people

go, what are y'all talking about?

It's like this weird different language, church talk or whatever.

It's, and the thing that reminds me of Gail, I'll bring this up, is that

we were at a church 10, 15 years ago that they would throw around that word

kingdoms like we're a Kingdom church.

and I was still growing in spiritual like I am today,

even, you know, 30 years in I'm

yes.

going, what do you mean by Kingdom Church?

And they said it with a little bit of an elitist, like, oh

well we're, we're kingdom.

and they're not like

So as a follow up, I did about a three year study on the Kingdom of

God, so that I understood it more.

I spent, I went through every scripture that laid it out and, and so I love having

conversations about the kingdom, but what would you say to someone who might

be going, ah, okay, so I'm a Christian.

I've been to church, going to church for a long time here.

I don't know that I'm quite clear on what Gail said as far as kingdom goes.

Yeah.

it's interesting at the heart of, well, first I just, I love hearing that you

spent three years studying the kingdom.

I'm like, wow, okay.

So I'm like literally taking a note.

note to self, Gail, you need to do some more studying.

But the heart of what I do, Tim, is helping that exact woman that you're

describing that clearly identifies as a believer, clearly identifies as Christian.

and is part of my story checking the boxes, right?

Am I being a good wife?

Am I being a good mother?

Did I go to church?

Am I in bible study?

Am I, am I volunteering right?

Checking all the boxes.

But what I discovered, and that was my Christian journey um,

all of the focus was on me.

I was living this whole life of self idolatry, and I didn't even know it.

I thought, what do you mean?

How could I be full of self when I'm trying to make sure I'm being a good

wife and a good Christian, and a good, volunteer and attending Bible

study because all the focus was on me.

And so when, for me, the Christian to kingdom conversion was getting my

eyes off of myself and onto Jesus.

And what did, what does Jesus say?

What does Jesus want me to do today?

What is Jesus already asked me to do that I'm not honoring?

And so when I can get my eyes back on him?

So really the heart of what I do is bring personal revival to women and that's where

the heart of the book, the Heart of My Morning Practice, it's all about awakening

us to this amazing life God has for us.

And.

Yeah, because we're in that world system, you'll

hear me use the term Babylon.

To me that's to draw the contrast between that kingdom system and the

world system, which is all about self.

And it's when we talk about success and why it's such a challenging thing.

I do wanna ask though, 'cause I'm sure we've got listeners right now.

We've got some that are male.

I.

And then

that are female that

they're probably going, okay, is this gonna be a real

female oriented conversation?

No, it's not.

Lemme go ahead and say that 'cause there's some principles here that I

know are apply to all of it, but what are some unique, issues, whatever.

I mean for those that may not be watching the video, I am a mature white male.

I'm not a female, so so I'm asking the question, like really wanting to know

what are some of the unique challenges of women, women in business, women

that are attempting to achieve and accomplish and also hold on to their

faith and run families and all that.

why women and what's their challenges?

thank you.

This is, I think when we step into our purpose, there's usually an element of our

heart breaks for, and, you're describing the woman you know, and asking that

question like, who my heart breaks for?

Why am I a kingdom coach?

Why does my heartbreak for women who are believers, they love the Lord and they're

struggling with a few things, usually, and very typically, one, I shouldn't want

more, I shouldn't really want success.

And what does the enemy do?

He takes God's word and he just perverts it just enough, right?

So should we want more?

okay, should we be grateful for what we have?

Of course, we should be grateful for what we have.

But is it really, did Jesus tell us really to not want more?

No.

look at even, I love the conversation Jesus has with the disciples when

they all wanna be great and he doesn't admonish them, he doesn't spank

their hands, he doesn't shame them.

He says, I'll tell you how to be great, be a servant.

And for the women that I serve, there's a couple areas.

One is, am I really called to minister in the marketplace?

I'm a woman.

Am I really called to minister?

Well, what does ministering really mean?

It means giving hope, inspiration, being an example.

and then the other big area for a lot of women is wealth building.

and one thing that really gets a lot of, breakthrough for a lot of my

clients is, and for all of us really in general, but well, there's wealth.

There's pursuing righteous wealth and pursuing unrighteous wealth.

Alright.

And you described that perfectly pursuing unrighteous wealth would be that

Babylon structure, you know, pursuing righteous wealth, doing it with God so

that it can be an overflow from you.

but women often really struggle with the idea that they could be wealth builders.

And it's really heartbreaking because if you, there's been studies done,

guess who the number one, when you look at demographics and you ask who

would be the number one demographic?

to be the most generous giver, the successful Christian businesswoman.

So clearly if you put, if God can get money through us,

he's going to get money to us.

And so I help women to align with, that God has called them to their business.

They can minister in the marketplace.

They can build righteous wealth that pours out and blesses others.

I think one of the things that's interesting to me

about our society, culture, is that we do try to group people together.

And here we are talking about women and I'm about to ask a question about men.

So I want to almost apologize for grouping people together because

this, it's not always a good thing.

But yet we do see trends, my wife and I, were just having a

conversation this morning about

she takes on things in a much different way than I do, and

they just stick to her.

And I don't think about it like criticism.

someone could say something to her and she thinks about it and all that.

And she even commented to me, she goes, someone can say something about you,

Tim, and she go, and you actually, I.

Don't even believe them.

. And I went, is that bad?

She goes, well, maybe sometimes.

But anyway, I digress.

I don't wanna go down that path.

What is it that, that you have seen that men need to know about

the situations that women are in?

Because the things you just brought up, I hate to say I'm sitting

here, but it's almost like you're speaking a foreign language.

I rolled out of bed at a young age thinking I'm gonna be a business owner.

gonna go out and make me some money.

Now I had to get the Lord had to do some work on my heart.

'cause I

issues that I had to deal with, but never thought once about

not being in a leadership role and other things like that.

I had other things I needed to work on.

I just wanna be clear on that.

But, and if you and I are in a boardroom or we are in a meeting room.

I start talking loud and all that, it's like accepted, but yet you do.

And it's oh my gosh, what's going on here?

why are there so many things unique about, is there cultural?

Is it spiritual?

Is it, what is it?

And then I do want us to shift a little bit and talk about,

the way to, master our mornings.

But I, I think this is important too.

This is foundational.

Yeah.

I love this.

I love this.

And I do, I love how you honored both men and women by saying, we're making

some groupings here, but of course, we, none of us fit in any of these molds.

but I do think, I think it's cultural and spiritual, but I think in the

church, Tim, I think, and there's a lot of Christian men and I Kingdom men.

Quite honestly, a lot of kingdom minded men, whether they're pastors,

not ministers, just prophetic men that are helping women to rise up.

So when you think of half of the church, half of the body is female.

And, if we could help women to see that, that God has a purpose and a plan

for them to minister wherever he's put them, what you know clearly in their

home, whether they, he's put them in corporate, whether he is put them in

education, whether he is put them in a volunteer non-profit, a for-profit.

but there, there seems to be, I don't dunno if this is gonna sound,

but I'm just gonna say it almost like a level of permission most of

the women I work with need from the Kingdom men in their life to say yes.

Daughter of the king go fly, let go of all of the old lies.

You were born to soar.

You're a daughter of the king.

And there's something about when a kingdom man, gives that sense of permission.

I know.

I'm probably gonna be rubbing some, making some people really

uncomfortable using that word.

and I don't mean it in the literal sense of permission, not that you're

going and asking someone permission.

I'm talking about when you hear a Kingdom man speak and through his

message you awaken to the reality of your identity as a daughter of

the king, and you are set free.

Yeah, the, and that word permission is good, but also

the word invite invitation came to mind while you were saying it

because I don't think, let's group again.

I don't think us men are used to giving permission or inviting.

We just do

Sometimes That's good.

Sometimes I think what it does and just the conversation with my wife

this morning, it might even repel or might even come across as a bit of a

know-It-all I know I've got that in me.

I have I, I've tried to get it out, but I could walk into a room and I can tell

you some people that just meet me are gonna go, this guy thinks he knows it all.

I think the thing that, that's interesting, Gail, is that

this has been around forever.

I was reading in the book of Luke last week, the account of all the women

that went to the grave to minister to Jesus' body, there was no body there.

They came running back to the disciples.

And there is a line in Luke, I don't have the scripture in front of me,

but it pretty much says the disciples didn't believe what they said.

Right,

and I'm with my wife going, this has been going on forever.

This is not new stuff.

, this is anyway, I do think that just having the conversation helps.

And one of the things I've been saying all along, and I don't

know how this works, is that.

Men have traditionally moved into leadership roles.

I think we're seeing examples all over that they can't handle it.

they're not, they don't have enough humility.

Their egos get in the way, and I think in many situations, including church

world, that women need to step in.

So maybe consider this an invitation, if my invitation means anything.

Lead 'cause men aren't doing that great of a job at it.

and we need to kinda step back and maybe provide some more support.

My question, my next question though, Gail, is how have you, this is kind

of a redefining success question.

How have you come to this place?

Gimme a little bit of, I joke about it all the time, Gail.

The early years.

You know how, because you mentioned that you were a check the box.

I'm sure you're a task person.

I'm sure you're an achiever.

You remind me of my wife.

She's one that wakes up with lists in her head when she wakes up in the morning.

mastering her morning needs to be probably put the list aside and do other things.

But, h how did you arrive at this place you're at now where you're

working with Kingdom minded women?

Yeah.

I love, first of all, your podcast and I've, I love the whole

concept of, redefining success.

My early career was defined by exactly what you just said, hustle, grind.

I purposely, if I was resting, there was something wrong,

Did you feel

guilty?

Did you feel guilty if you ever arrested?

gosh, guilty.

Absolutely.

it, not only guilty, but re trying to find thi this is gonna, this

is gonna sound crazy, trying to find things to do, to rest.

I literally couldn't just sit.

So the redefining a success for me today is working from rest, working from a

place of trust that God's got my bus.

The business that he is called me to is his.

He's got it.

and he wants me to trust that I can do it from a place of rest with him.

Learn the unforced rhythms of grace, Matthew 1128 through 30.

And the message translation is such a powerful, translation

for the kingdom entrepreneur.

And specifically he says, watch how I do it.

Walk with me.

Work with me.

And so today what I used to do was back to back, to back, to back to back.

Now when I do that today, I'm like, whoa, something is really off.

So I purposely put big pieces of space in between appointments and

they are really, it, first it was very uncomfortable because it felt wasteful.

It felt wasteful.

And now what I've discovered is, and because I knew it in my head, but it

had to travel to my heart, what I've discovered is putting those blocks.

What I'm saying is, Lord, I trust you.

You're gonna speak to me in this space.

You're gonna rejuvenate me in this space.

You're gonna have me, rest in this space.

You're gonna help me let go of what I think needs to happen, and you're

going to show me in the space that I've created what you have for me.

So I will be more efficient and more effective for having

rested, having made the space.

And so when you say redefining success, I mean for me today, do I

want my business to be successful?

Of course, I do.

however, is what's more important me to me today, that my success is

defined by I can work from rest.

Today.

I can be more efficient and more effective, and lead from a place

of integrity as a kingdom woman.

And the interesting thing, this is what I find the more I dig

into that, that you just mentioned, is that kingdom success often looks very

different than that worldly or i'll Babylonian success and it's fascinating

to me, bring up the hustle and grind.

I don't know why we've had this theme now for probably going on

a year here that it is very rare.

In fact, I, maybe we just don't attract it.

That we have people that talk about that hustle and grind.

and I did a solo episode a while back that was titled, Jesus Never Hustled.

Why Should You?

And and because as I read the gospels, I see no example of Jesus who had

the most important mission of anyone who has ever walked this earth.

never saw a situation where he said, all right guys, come

on, let's, pull up the tunics.

We gotta hustle.

Let's go, let's get going.

And I'm not saying they were lazy or anything like that.

That's our puritanical culture.

We believe something like that.

But so the hustle culture gripped me the most the nineties, Gail, I was

in a multi-level marketing business.

I know you've got background and I know that's who you coach.

And I wanna have a little bit of a conversation about that

because now I do also wanna say I was saved in that environment.

I learned more about how to be a good husband, a father, I learned a

lot of the communication skills that I have today in that environment.

I'll, I don't have a problem saying it.

We were 10 years in the Amway business, the structure, from about 90 to 2000.

And I learned a ton from it.

and I actually left BellSouth, we retired from that.

but here's what I noticed looking back on it, and I'm gonna use

this as an opening for you to talk about, you know, multi-level

marketing and things like that.

And I've got a couple things I want to ask about that that because

there was never a ceiling in that business, I was never able to rest

And so I'll just say that and let that hang in the air and you could

just take that and run with it and, but I know you've got background

there and I know you, that's one of the primary areas that you coach in.

So talk a little bit about that or just respond to what I said and say, Tim.

Yeah.

that's so interesting that never a ceiling.

And that's a really interesting perspective.

But when you were speaking at the beginning and talking about all that

you learned there, a couple things.

One, I do believe the industry's a breeding ground

for coaches, for mentorship.

but as I was transitioning out of the industry, I had built

a couple different businesses.

One in direct sales and one in, multi-level marketing.

God called me to coaching.

He called me to Christian coaching specifically.

I was literally sitting in church.

We have a brick and mortar business.

Our, my three boys were in high school at the time.

I didn't need another thing to do, nor was I looking for another thing to do.

And at the time, I was not in the habit of hearing the Lord speak to me directly.

And I heard the Holy Spirit say to me in the middle of church Christian coaching.

And I knew there was every, it was a fire was lit.

Every part of my being was just, and I walked out, I turned to my husband.

I said, you're not gonna believe what just happened to me in there.

And normally when I come up with one of my, he would consider it

hair-brained ideas or whatever.

he's usually, okay, let's talk about this.

What's this gonna look like?

What do you mean?

And literally out, we weren't even to the car yet.

We're walking through the parking lot.

I told him what happened and.

It's perfect for you.

And it just was another, you know, powerful confirmation.

'cause that was, that is not how we normally, it would've been a

negotiation and a long conversation.

but as I step into the industry, God shows me that he wants me to stay here.

Gail, you've been for decades in this industry.

I want you to stay here and coach my daughters in this industry,

to build not on hustle and grind, but on my kingdom values.

And he showed me how the industry, and you described it, Tim, through,

through what you experienced at Amway, is founded in Biblical principles.

freedom.

Why do we come for freedom?

For freedom?

We people come flocking to the industry for freedom of time, freedom of income.

no one's gonna put a ceiling on me.

No one's gonna tell me I get a three point percent raise at the end of

the year if I do da, da, da, da, da, personal development, servant

leadership, multiplication, prosperity.

these are all the things the industry's founded on.

And so I literally have an ad running right now on Facebook, and

it's about how the enemy has had a foothold in this industry for far

too long, because he knows that if we can really see that God is working

profoundly in this industry, and you can build on kingdom values in this

industry, you'll be set free and you'll multiply because that's what God does.

it's been a really exciting, really exciting journey.

what's interesting, I'm gonna go here for a second too.

I listened to a podcast recently from a friend that, her and someone else were

being very critical of MLMs and they're, they are faith people of faith, and

they were talking about the challenges when it comes into a church environment.

The thing that this with them, sort of, but maybe we could chit

chat about it here, is that neither one of them had ever been in one.

I think it's challenging at times when people and I, in one of the

comments, I said, oh, really?

I said, yeah, I know that at times there are, this is not a

bad word, necessarily, cult-like.

Situations that occur.

I know they may not be for everyone I know.

Not everyone may reach levels of success that they desire to blah,

blah, blah, blah, blah, all this stuff.

We could go through all that.

However, I was saved in a cossum with 4,000 other people at

an Amway convention in 1991.

Yes.

I.

Do not think that I would've been saved in a church setting.

'cause I was not wired to be one of these guys that was gonna pop

in and out of church that often.

I'd been going to a church, but it was, I was just going

for looks and stuff like that.

And so I think there's power there I don't wanna be all fluffy and all that.

There's obviously some challenges and all that.

What are some of the biggest challenges in that industry that you see that

people face and all, and even practical things, like they don't do the work.

is one.

I think the perception that you're talking about, to hear

that there were two faith-based women being really critical of

an industry, it hurts my heart.

Why?

Because, let me first go to, why most have that perspective.

a company in a multilevel and marketing environment, whether

you're in direct sales, multi, you know, whether you're in wellness,

whether you're in, clothing, whether you're, in jewelry, doesn't matter.

Okay.

they spend millions of dollars on product research, product development.

And so when they launch a product, they want their Affiliates to

think this thing is the best thing since sliced bread, right?

That's their job is to promote it.

But in that, in so doing, as believers especially, we hear the over hype,

we hear the overselling, we hear the, there ends up being almost like a lie.

It feels like there's a lie in it, And I caution my clients all

the time, don't ever say things like, we have the best ever.

this is the only thing on the market.

Do you really know that, that it's the only thing on the market?

'cause I probably can guarantee you it's probably not.

and so it's just that at anything that we do.

There when we start out, I wanna use the word immature, but that's

not even really fair, but there's a youthfulness to what we're doing.

An exuberance, right?

And so really, I think often what you're, and, and that same exuberance makes you

call somebody again and again, right?

And you're taught to follow up.

So those two things right there, give a lot of, justification for people to say,

Ugh, comes into the church and she's trying to get everybody to, you know,

all those, all those kind of things.

But, and I get that, but done well, done Well.

Oh, it is, it's disciple making.

And I know that sounds a little dramatic, but I've seen it.

I've seen it happen over and over again.

And you experienced it Exactly.

You experienced it.

just finding greater purpose, finding greater hope, finding greater inspiration,

believing that you're not confined to what the world is telling you.

And you come around a community of people who say, we'll show you how to

grow, how to develop, how to mature.

the great thing about those businesses is that there's typically a

low barrier to entry, which means that

truly are open to everyone, which is very democratized,

whatever word you want to use.

Yeah.

The challenge with those businesses is that there's a very low

barrier to entry . They're open to everyone, which means everyone that can

step in with their baggage, their fears, their doubts, which is one of the reasons

why a lot of people could definitely use a coach, maybe even outside their line

of sponsorship and things like that, is that there's baggage all up and down.

Someone could be needing an extra 200, 400, $800 a month, like

they need a breath of fresh air.

They're looking

the people sitting on the pews in church and going, you know what?

I got me somebody.

I'm gonna, they would be so good.

And so I get that.

I actually understand both sides of the equation.

'cause I've been there.

But here's the thing.

I will tell anybody this, the net gain that I have personally had far exceeds

anything that I could say negative.

And in fact, I mean my wife right now, we've got essential oils

all over our, all, all over.

I'm looking right here at a diffuser.

Yeah.

I mean I stubbed my toe yesterday outside 'cause you know it's a tough

life living in an rv and so I'm bleeding and she goes, here's an oil.

Just rub it on it and it stopped bleeding and I'm healed this morning.

So before we get off this one item here, Gail, it's, I know that someone who's

been on the journey, you've been on.

Has had a situation that would've been a low point that you had to really

redefine what success looked like for you.

and we don't shy away from discussing those.

I, we don't even call 'em failures truthfully, Gail, because I go

back to what we went through from oh eight to 13, 14, 15, homeless,

bankrupt, all that kind of stuff.

And I look at it now and I'm not, I would not be who I am today if it

were not for that part of the journey.

got anything you could share related to that before we start mastering our

morning and discussing the book and all

that can help us

so many of them.

which one would I pick?

I think, you, I'm sure you've heard this, but I don't know

if your listeners have that.

the industry of direct sales and network marketing is really personal

development disguised as a business.

And so certainly my maturing as a Christian, as a leader, as a woman,

the industry had a massive impact on that as a mother, as a wife.

but I'll never forget early on, this was just it.

This just describes this kind of selfish, immature.

Attitude.

the company announces a big incentive trip, and it was not

the normal annual incentive trip.

It was like the one on steroids, the special thing that they were gonna do.

So my little sister's, my upline, and she calls me and my boys were

really young at the time, and she says, so are you gonna go for it?

And I said, no.

And she said, why?

Because I'm typically a carrot chaser and I would typically earn the annual trip.

I said, because this is so embarrassing because I'm not gonna

earn it, so why would I go for it?

And she just sat there and she said, what about all the things that might happen?

Life just trying to earn it and you being proud of yourself even if you didn't

earn it, but you were proud of yourself for trying and experiencing everything

that would happen along the way.

I literally, I felt like this, just inside of me know, first of

all is my little sister telling me this, pointing out a clear truth.

and I felt embarrassed and I felt ashamed.

And I remember putting the, I can literally tell you exactly where I

was sitting when this was happening.

I could almost feel like the sun, the way it was streaming in from the window.

And I put the, phone down and I just had an epiphany at that moment.

Gail.

It's not about that outcome.

It's not about your performance at the end.

It's not about if you hit it or not and what people think.

It's about your journey along the way.

It's about you saying, yes, God, I will try, I will go for this and I will

trust that everything that's supposed to happen along the way will be perfect.

And if it, whatever the outcome is that's in your hands.

And it was a completely life changing moment for me.

But that person was adamant before that phone call.

it was a Holy Spirit moment because before that phone call, I, there was no way I

was going for it, It was just that self.

I knew what was best.

That was not gonna be it.

I was not gonna go for it.

It was just that resistant, self-righteous, critical,

judgmental, performance driven.

Unwilling to be vulnerable and embarrassed and make a mistake or not earn it.

All of it all wrapped up in one thing,

And the challenge with that is that sometimes don't think we

grasp the importance of the journey.

We look at life at the, as these events.

That was one of the

things I struggled with when we were, doing the Amway structure, was

I kept looking at events and, pins and levels and things like that.

and I never, especially looking back now, I was hustle and grind.

I mean, I was proud of the fact that I slept three, I average three

hours a night the entire nineties.

And now I think about that and go, what the heck what was I thinking?

And all that.

But, it's just, I think all that was part of my journey too, going through

To get to the place that I am.

So one of the things that I gathered, and my wife and I have been on this

thing the last handful of months of embracing gratitude more and looking

at, she does some things in the evening.

I do some things in the morning and we look at our routines and things like that.

And I think, I think part of our morning routine is very important this journey

that we're talking about somewhere along the way, either something clicked with

you or it morphed or transformed or you gradually moved into somewhat of a

system for what you do in the mornings.

When was that and what was going on and how did you begin arriving at what

we'll talk about here with the master of your morning, the book that you've got.

It was about six years ago.

I was, I believe now God was trying to get my attention and I wasn't listening.

Don't you think he's, don't you think he's, always

trying to get our attention?

I'm coming to the conclusion that I'd like to think, oh, he's got my

attention and then I'll talk to him more.

He goes, no, I want it more.

I want more of your attention.

Sorry to interrupt you, but I think he's always trying to do that.

I love that he's always wanting our attention.

I literally heard that afterwards, a couple years, even afterwards, I heard the

Holy Spirit say, Gail, the pace of your life was so loud you could not hear my.

And that rule one, I didn't believe I could hear his voice.

So that was my first problem.

I thought that was for pastors and ministers and missionaries, not for me.

so believing that God actually does want to speak to me regularly and

then at the Holy Spirit will reveal, so that was my first thing, but what

was happening at the time, I was having a lot of physical problems

and, some nerve pain was one of them.

A colitis, some gut issues was another one.

And, some herniations in my neck, some so and because of all of that

I was emotionally, um, really low.

'cause I like to move and do, and when you can't, it was really affecting me.

And so I cried out, God help me.

And I literally heard the Holy Spirit say.

I've told you, first he said, you're creating this is self-induced

anxiety that you're creating.

And I'd never really heard that before, that you could create.

I thought all my anxiety was a result of everything that was happening around

me was all that, if my neck would get better, if the nerve pain would

go away, if my gut would get better, if my kid would do better, whatever

it was all outside of me and those were the things causing me anxiety.

So anyway, I, when I realized this is my choice, I'm choosing,

this is self-induced anxiety.

So that was the first thing he told me.

And the second thing he said um, I have this most amazing life plan

for you and you're missing it.

And that was my first window, Tim, into the kingdom life, into

the belief that Jesus did not just die to give me salvation.

It was not just an evacuation plan.

He died to, to give me salvation in eternal life, but to bring his kingdom

here now and to have his Holy Spirit in all of us and work through it.

that was my first little window into that.

So I cried out what do I do?

And I heard again, I told you what to do and you're not doing it.

And now that it was the most, it wasn't shame.

I didn't feel shame.

It was the most loving voice.

I didn't feel, like I had been put in the corner.

you're not doing what you're supposed to be doing, and I

knew right away seek me first.

Matthew 6 33 might have, have just been painted across the sky, and seek me first.

But I knew that he meant literally every morning when you wake up.

When you start those wheels turning, I want you to put those feet on the floor

and I want you to come seek me first.

I want you to honor me first.

Seek me first.

Listen, not pray, not read your devotionals, not read my

word, because guess what, Tim?

I was even Dr.

I was directing that.

I was directing that.

So it was sit and be silent and seek him first.

And so then from this, these steps started developing.

And what did I want to do first?

I wanted my checklist first.

So it became the last thing I did in the morning

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's what Gloria will would do.

My wife Gloria, she would that checklist, in fact, if she actually did anything that

wasn't on her checklist, she would put it on the list so she could check it off.

So the first step, as I read through the book, which is a great book,

by the way, master Your Morning and, we can talk some about that.

The first step relates to what you just said.

I think it's surrender.

Is that right?

And I perceive if I am wrong, Gail, you correct me and you correct me with vigor,

but I perceive that you are one that you like to control things as much as you can

and you like to be in charge and control.

And that's not a bad thing.

I think it's the way many people are successful in, we'll

call it that world system.

What's interesting, it's the opposite in the kingdom, and I think

that's where a lot of us struggle.

but

how difficult is it for someone who likes to control, and again, if

I'm, if I'm wrong on that, you're nodding, for those that can't

see the video, she's nodding for.

For someone that has high on the control scale to begin their morning

with surrender, how tough is that?

toughest thing I do every day.

Most humbling thing I do every day, every morning.

I like to say you're a hundred percent I'd like to say that over the past

30 years I've walked, a, I've walked out of a lot of that pit of control.

'cause it's basically fear.

Fear that it's not gonna go the way I think it needs to go and, or I'm not

gonna do, or someone else is not gonna do.

And I've, over time let the Lord show me how hurtful that is to my

life, my marriage, my relationship with my children, all the things.

trying to really play God is what I'm doing.

And but, Yes, it's clearly still there.

the point of the book is to grow in your intimacy with the Lord, grow

in your ability to hear his voice.

And I think I sort of thought as I started to really like, develop this

ear that was grew in confidence that I was really hearing from the Lord

and I'm, it's not perfect every day.

nothing like that.

But, I would've told you that my guess would've been, that I

would've been seeing myself more.

I'm going to be a little silly here, but, walking more into Saint, walking

more into spiritual maturity, noticing more spiritual fruit and all while that

is indeed true, what I was shocked to discover is the closer I get to Jesus.

The more clear my defects are, the things that I need to work on are my

need for him becomes even clearer.

I thought that as I got closer to him, I wouldn't, that my neediness, my brokenness

would be getting cleaned up, and the irony has been, as I've gotten closer to

him, had more spiritual fruit in my life.

Often I'm more clear than ever of the parts of me that need to

be laid down and worked on Still.

Gosh.

the fascinating thing about that is I'm sitting here thinking, I, I think

especially in the culture we're in, maybe it's, see, I have this theory that

most of our modern church circles have, this is a bad word for a lot of people.

They have the Prosperity Gospel built into them, and the prosperity

Gospel to me is I get saved.

I start doing some things with Jesus, and my life's gonna be awesome.

I.

When what you brought up, you know, it is perfect.

We'll use the word perfected, but it's really fascinating

because I'm the same way.

The closer I get to him, the more I see my flaws and the

see that the only way those flaws can be dealt with is to

continue getting closer to him.

And so what that leads us to is continuing the process.

don't back it up and keep going down this process, which you've obviously

developed as a morning routine.

Does it have to be in the morning?

So great question.

I have this gets asked a lot.

are there beautiful spiritual disciplines and fruit that comes

from being reflective in the evening or, in the middle of the day?

Of course.

but for me, the, the concept here is will I make him first?

So the world wants me to grab my phone, check my notifications, how many e you

know, the emails that came in, the texts that came in, the messages that came in,

look at my, my, my calendar for the day.

And I'm already spinning.

I'm already leading and falling back into that control space

and controlling all the things.

And I literally will hear the Lord sometimes say, are.

In just this like kid-like delight, like way, come to me first Gail.

And and then some people will say, Gail, I'm not an early

riser, or I work the night shift.

guess what?

We all have a morning whenever your morning is.

The concept really is just, will we honor him by making him first?

And then the second kind of, I don't know if it's

counter or something like that.

I was actually, I was actually, as I was reading the book last night and

kind of finishing it up, I was laying there next to my wife and she was

doing bible study and things like that.

And I said, let me, let me run some six steps by you.

I'm gonna be talking to Gail tomorrow.

and, and so my wife, who is a great counter for my rigidity,

I am very habit forming and at times I should be more flexible.

Yes.

was her comment, and I'm sure you hear this

seems a bit strict

Yes.

and.

And then we had this great conversation that I'll share more with you in

just a moment, but when someone says, Ooh, six steps, 10 minutes each, or

whatever the timeframe is, how do you respond when someone says that?

And I'll tell you, I'll tell you the rest of our conversation after you tell me.

Yeah.

So I think that, my, my first response usually is, and people will ask that

question in the same, asking the same thing, but in, in different ways.

and my response usually is, listen, if what you're doing right now.

Is growing your intimacy with the Lord, growing your ability to hear

his voice bringing more fruit.

Peace, joy, trust, hope, keep doing what you're doing.

But if it's not, will you just try?

Will you just try and see what might he, what he might have here for you?

Because clearly he's a God of order.

He's a God of order.

He's not a god of rigidity.

So it's not for you to, to clinging to this and say, oh, I'm following

and I do it, and make this an idol.

No, it's not that at all.

It's just having this as a path.

I found that I sat in church for years, Tim, wanting to cry out,

but never had the courage to do it.

Listen to some powerful, incredible sermons about growing closer, to

the Lord about hearing his voice.

And I wanted to cry out from the depth of my heart, but how I read his word.

I read devote, but how I just didn't feel like there was.

and so really this, it, this came born from my own cries, my own needs.

and yes, if you tend to be more structured, this will

be more comfortable for you.

If you tend to be less structured, this could be uncomfortable.

Sometimes people who are unstructured need the structure, but I, what I would usually

say is, listen, give it six months.

Give it six months.

Ask God, show me the fruit in this.

Surprise me Lord.

and then say to him, okay, now you know me, Lord, so help me to change this.

So it's more in, in what I need.

so that's usually how I handle, handle that.

and I love the answer because in the back and forth that

I had with Glory, it was something to the effect of, first of all,

if someone's doing nothing, I.

What a great system.

What a great, and I wanna say the book was such a nice, quick, simple read.

yeah.

And we'll talk more about the pro.

yeah.

I mean it was just, it was really quick and I'm going, oh wow, that's,

and I was reading I think APDF version that I have from y'all, and it was

just like, wow, this is, 'cause sometimes when I'll sit down, I'm like,

okay, I've gotta have a lot of time.

And I'm going, wow, this is very refreshing.

And here's the reason why I like that.

Because general, someone who is not blocking time to do the things they need

to do with the Lord, probably time is at a premium for them, the conversation

that Gloria and I had was, you know what, for someone who hasn't started, who's

not doing anything, this is perfect for them to get moving and get going along.

For someone like me or Gloria who's doing things, this is a reminder.

'cause the step that I probably miss is that surrender.

And so this morning when I got up and I started, what I usually do, I didn't

totally go through the system, but you know what I said, Lord, I'm just gonna

pray in the spirit for a little while.

I'm just gonna sit here before I jump into my scripture.

'cause I usually jump into my scripture.

I thought that was phenomenal.

At what point did you say, oh, this is not just good, it needs to be shared with

the world, so I need to write about it.

Oh, that, that thought never really came.

So what actually happened in the, in right when Covid was breaking out?

So we're at March of 2020.

I had been practicing for about three years, and it was extremely personal.

I barely, my husband knew that, and my kids knew that mom went to her chair in

the morning and I had my time at my chair.

But I really didn't talk to people about what I did during that time.

clearly they knew my Bible was there, a journal was there, but that was about it.

So I'm listening to a Kingdom coach say, you have something right now,

and I'm telling, I'm anybody who's listening right now, this is for you.

You have something right now in your hands God has given you that

you can share the world or your world or people in your world.

And I'm sitting there going, Uhuh, no, I don't.

Just that again, that resistance that came up, but as the conversation kept going

on, I knew it was these six steps, but the thought of sharing them was, who am I?

Who am I?

Just, So I reached out to a hundred women now back, so I've got my direct sales

and network marketing background, right?

And so I knew how to reach out to people.

So I said, Hey, listen.

God has given me something.

I've been practicing it in the mornings.

It's a spiritual tool.

It's grown in my intimacy with the Lord.

I'm going to be sharing it.

I'm gonna do a little weekly challenge on Zoom for a week.

And if you're interested, here's a link.

and so that, so I started running Challenges on the Master Your Morning,

and I did that for a couple years.

And then through that people would say, Gail, you need to put this in a book.

And I was like, ah, ha.

yeah.

and so I knew though, probably after a couple years that the Lord

was calling me to put it in a book and, avoided and put it off again.

All those old voices of perfectionism or what are people gonna say or what

are people, and it's and I just had to, Gail, are you gonna lay it all

down and do what I've asked you to do?

So I literally, right before Christmas, it was almost a year ago, I rented

this little cabin in the woods.

It was like $45 at a, at a.

Catholic, on a big Catholic property here in town where I live, they have

these little cabins you can rent for the weekend, like $15 a day.

And, I grabbed my computer, carted it through the woods, set

it up, and just wrote for, 10 hours a day until it was done.

Really.

and I had help, I had to help with editing and all of that, but, but

yeah, but it was not, it was a kicking and screaming a little bit inside,

having to work through some of those fears that wanted to creep back up.

And, obviously phenomenal results that come from it.

We have a few minutes here.

I Is it possible, and if you can't do this, that's fine.

Is it possible for you to hit each of the six steps real quickly and then

you could just kind of go into where people can find the book and all of that

and then we'll, we will wrap up here.

Just, I've got it pulled up here on my Kindle, but just I, quickly, if you

do it every morning, I can guarantee you could probably, maybe just what

it is, quick sentence and then, and then where people can find the book.

Absolutely.

So the first step is surrender.

it's being quiet, listening to the Lord.

not praying, not, everything's a prayer, but, just listening.

Listening.

And I, what I'll do during this is I'll say, I hear you, Lord.

I hear you Lord.

And it's just that declarative statement that I am confirming you

are who you say you are, which say you wanna speak to your people.

And I am here listening.

I may not hear you right in this moment, but I will hear you today through

someone else, through something else.

You'll, you are speaking to me.

step two is scripture going to his word.

Sometimes I'm literally, almost, I could fall off my chair sometimes at a location

in scripture that he takes me to that sometimes it doesn't seem relevant at all.

And then later in the day or later something will happen

or, it will be for someone.

That sometimes is really wonderful.

Or it'll take me somewhere.

And it literally, I had an Acts 22, 2 was an example one day that just blew my mind.

It was something in my coaching program I was struggling with, trying

to find a biblical principle around.

And boom, it is like he dropped it in my lap.

So scriptures number two.

Number three is vision, but it's God's vision.

What is God's being able to say, okay, God, I'm struggling in my marriage today.

Show me as the wife that you see me as Lord, through your eyes.

Show me what I look like.

Forgiving, loving, encouraging, affirming my husband, not who I want,

who I'm right, but who you see me as.

And it is, it's powerful to ask the Lord that question in any

area of your life, in my health.

on and on, step four.

Is reading.

And this is just a step of humility to say, I think sometimes I think I

know everything and I clearly don't.

So it might be in my fi, I might be struggling in my finances, I

might be struggling in my health.

I might.

So I grab a book and I just spend, 15 minutes, 10 minutes reading um, just,

and I get just a nugget of what I need.

Step five is journaling.

This is an opportunity to go deeper with the Lord.

Lord.

why am I feeling resistant about this today?

Why am I feeling afraid about this today?

or, Lord, I'm feeling so incredibly grateful today.

I'm just praising you today for, but whatever it is, it's that opportunity to

go deeper with that pen in hand and that deeper relationship asking questions.

and then the last step is the calendar.

And it's looking at the calendar from a kingdom perspective and saying.

I don't care about all my lists, Lord, all my check marks.

I wanna know what you want me to do today.

What is most important from your, and sometimes it'll be I'll get something.

It might be for my son, it might be for a client, it might be for my husband.

And I never would've, it wouldn't, it was nowhere on my radar to do or

think, And it's just something like, clearly, Lord, this is from you and I

will be obedient and I will do that.

So those are the six steps.

Excellent.

So where can people find the book and or connect with you?

Go ahead and give us all of that information here.

I've got one more question for you before we wrap up.

Alright, good.

Amazon, it's master your morning and change everything.

it's a bunch of, as Tim already said, it's a bunch of testimonials.

and that's a whole story around that.

But, it's a very how to.

and growing your intimacy with the Lord.

gail root.com.

I'm G-A-I-L-R-O-O-T, gail root.com.

I'm 56, so I'm a facebooker.

most of my clients are in the second half of life, and so you

can find me on Facebook and, podcast Kingdom Dream Chasers.

yeah.

But if you go to gail root.com, you'll find I think pretty

much all of those things.

I was on the road last week and I powered through

about four or five episodes.

Great podcast.

I enjoyed listening to it, even though I may not be your

target, but, but I enjoyed it.

It's a great resource.

I, I like the fact that there's some real short, digestible

topics and episodes and all that.

Tim said that as he's at the one hour mark of this interview that we're at on our

podcast, . So anyway, Gail, we are seek, go create those three words right there.

I'm gonna let you choose one of those that resonates, means more to

you than the other two right now.

And why?

It's my final question.

I could make a case for all three of 'em, Tim, and I love the name.

but it has to be seek.

it has to be seek.

That has been the heart of, and it's really, I think I've always been a seeker.

but not seeking him first, not making him first over everything.

My day, my life, my marriage, my business.

so seeking him first.

Yeah.

That's

And you probably know you referenced Matthew 6 33 earlier

that was the root of that.

That is the, first mention of the Kingdom of God in the New Testament.

In fact, if you go through all the scriptures and so powerful there.

Gail, thank you for the conversation.

I love . Having these conversations just to expand my mind, but also

to check myself and allow the listener to just check in on things.

So the book is Master Your Morning and Change Everything.

I think that's the tagline to it.

Go check that out.

Go check out the podcast too.

I think it's a good compliment if you've been listening in here.

There's a lot of great principles and all there.

So we have new episodes here every Monday at Seek Go Create.

Until next time, continue being all that you were created to be.