Welcome to Close it now, an H Vac sales training podcast with Sam Wakefield.
Speaker AHere we'll build your reputation in residential H Vac sales to be the expert influencer in your market.
Speaker AYou'll get insight into the top minds in the industry as they share their skills and hacks to help you on your journey.
Speaker AThis podcast isn't just about selling more, it's about understanding your customers needs and building efficiencies behind the scenes so you can sell more but work less while being top of mind when people think H Vac.
Speaker ANow let's get started with your host of the Close it now podcast.
Speaker AThis is Sam Wakefield.
Speaker BHey, hey, hey.
Speaker BWelcome back to the Close it now podcast.
Speaker BSam Wakefield here.
Speaker BI am so excited today to bring you a guest that is outside the norm, outside the industry.
Speaker BIf you've listened to this podcast at all, you know that one of my main focuses is how do we change what we're doing and to make it better.
Speaker BWe know that the industry has been stagnant for way too long and how do we improve in home sales?
Speaker BHow do we improve?
Speaker BAnd not just in home sales.
Speaker BNow it's virtual sales.
Speaker BIf you're not selling virtually, you're missing a massive, massive element of the market and we'll talk about a lot more of that in the future.
Speaker BBut today we've got a perspective about something that's really bright.
Speaker BBreaking the Internet, so to speak.
Speaker BI raise your hand if you have heard anything about AI chat, GPT, there's various other platforms I, I know our guest today has because that's exactly how what we're going to learn about this person is I'm super excited to introduce Aaron.
Speaker BAaron.
Speaker BAaron Klaser.
Speaker BHe is building something that I am really excited about.
Speaker BYou're going to be excited and today we're going to learn, I'm sure, a lot of ways to incorporate AI into our process that we probably didn't even think about.
Speaker BIt's a way to be creative and a way to just really up level our games.
Speaker BSo if you've listened to Close it now for very long, you know we're all about being on the cutting edge of technology, the being so differentiated from everyone else in the market.
Speaker BWhen we get done with our process, the homeowner's thinking, God, I hope I can afford this guy because the value they bring is so much higher than everyone else.
Speaker BAnd so without, without further ado, this is Aaron Claser.
Speaker BHe is a project manager, he's been a software engineer for a lot of years.
Speaker BHas some really Notable projects under his belt and excited to introduce his new company, Acid Water Labs llc.
Speaker BAnd so yeah, Aaron, thanks for joining us today and I'm excited.
Speaker AThanks for having me, man.
Speaker AI'm excited, I'm excited to tell Talk about Acid Water.
Speaker AWe were just talking before.
Speaker AThis has been a wild ride for the last.
Speaker AThis is only a 9 week old company and the idea is only maybe a year and a half old.
Speaker ABut I've only nine weeks ago this was a couple scribbles and sketches on some paper and a 3D printed block and some code on an Arduino.
Speaker AAnd in the last nine weeks it's turned into a million dollar company with a patent pending and a Runway for the next 18 months to get us from having no product to a shipped delivered product and then a three to five year plan that'll take us from that product to $1 billion technology and data company focused on AI.
Speaker BNow that is some serious movement.
Speaker BSo let's break that down because like the very first you're talking about, this is a nine week process from idea to where we are right now.
Speaker BSo the first question everyone is thinking because there's a lot of entrepreneurs on the, on the listen, there's a lot of business owners that listen.
Speaker BAnd to go from, to go that fast in nine weeks, what's the cheat code, man?
Speaker BTell us a little bit about how you, how you've developed.
Speaker BI mean, I mean a lot of, lots of times business plans take two or three times that just to write, let alone to take a company.
Speaker AYes.
Speaker BHow have you done it?
Speaker ASo I'm gonna blow your mind real quick.
Speaker ASo I wrote my, I wrote 40 pages of my business plan in about 30 minutes and I did that using Chat GPT.
Speaker AAnd this was back two months ago when it was Chat GPT 3.5.
Speaker ASo Chat GPT 4 is even smarter and faster.
Speaker ASo I could probably do it again in about 2015 to 20 minutes.
Speaker AAnd I've gotten a lot better at ChatGPT and I've learned a lot about just the chat AI.
Speaker ASo a great example is I, I, you create these chats like you would like a text conversation and then you start talking to it.
Speaker AAnd if you talk is as long as you're within that same chat, it will actually start trying to keep its context as close to what you've already talked about as possible and bring in new stuff if it needs to.
Speaker AWhich means for my business, I've been running the exact same chat thread with chatgpt just about my business and nothing else.
Speaker ASince about 7 weeks ago.
Speaker AAnd the ability for it to then start spitting out information for me on the fly for things that I've asked it before, things that we've talked about, or just asking it for ideas and saying, hey, if you had to do this, what would you do?
Speaker AAnd letting it use the knowledge it already has of my business and my plan and what it's helped me learn.
Speaker AAnd then all of a sudden it spits out new ideas and gives me all these ideas.
Speaker AAnd literally if you go onto my website, acidwater labs.com and read any of that content, literally everything has been built with ChatGPT doing 95% of the content.
Speaker AAnd I, the website is another example.
Speaker AI built that website in four days using Chat, Chat GPT and wix.
Speaker AAnd I guess I'm a software engineer, so like this kind of been my thing.
Speaker AI'm probably faster than most people, but I've never built an entire website from nothing to what I, what you see today in four days.
Speaker AAnd I've been doing this for 15 years.
Speaker AAnd again, that was with Wisp, Wix.
Speaker ASo a lot of it's drag and drop, but at the end of the day, the hardest part of anything is figuring out the content, what you want to say, how you want to say it, the tone you want it to sound, you don't want it to be too salesy, but you don't want it to be too casual.
Speaker AAnd that's where Chat GPT has changed my life.
Speaker ALike all of our conversations that you and I had, if there were any errors in the conversation, like grammar, grammatically, because I typed it myself, if it sounded perfect and maybe even a little too salesy, it's probably because I took it, copied it in the chat, hold it to proofread it, and then copied that back and sent it to you.
Speaker AI've been doing this for my entire business, nonstop for nine weeks.
Speaker AAnd then, so what I've accomplished in nine weeks is, like I said, I went from Nothing to having $1,000,000 valuation, $200,000 investment, and with another probably 100,000 of like handshake deals I've made so far of people that want in.
Speaker AAnd we have to raise another million, and I want to raise that additional million in less than two months so that way I can have all the money I need to get everything up and running now and then let sales drive everything from there.
Speaker BSure.
Speaker AAnd so I've been using Chat GPT basically to do everything.
Speaker AIt's the new Google.
Speaker AIf you have a question, I'd Actually find chat GPT can get me closer to the answer now than Google can.
Speaker AWow, that's mind blowing.
Speaker BYeah, it is.
Speaker BI've started.
Speaker BAfter our last conversation, I started playing around with it some and so actually a little bit, if you're open to sharing some nuggets with us, just since you are quick, you're getting your 10,000 hours in really quickly is so to speak.
Speaker BI'm familiar with the book Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell, but that's where it was really coined about the 10,000 hour concept.
Speaker BSo you're, you're.
Speaker BYou're racing through the mistakes.
Speaker BYou're getting the 10,000 hours in faster than all of the rest of us put together probably.
Speaker BSo what are a the.
Speaker BSince we talked last, I played around with it some and instantly I was able to use it to help out with some descript some of the copy for descriptions of my podcasts and just ask, hey, here's the topic of this podcast.
Speaker BWrite a SEO friendly description and it instantly came up with brilliant.
Speaker ASo here's where it gets even crazier, man.
Speaker AOkay, so you can decide.
Speaker ASo I wrote if you go onto our website, on the very homepage there's this little video that video has got this guy that I named Jarrett, which stands, which means a dwelling near a garden, hence our AI Jarrett.
Speaker AAnd we're building gardens.
Speaker ASo that I thought that was a great name.
Speaker ASo Jarrett is himself an AI generated character.
Speaker AThe AI is generating.
Speaker AThey took like a person, attached them to all this stuff and then use AI to manipulate them like you would a video game character.
Speaker ABut the AI is doing the talking and the mouth movements and stuff like that.
Speaker ABut it's a physical person and.
Speaker AAnd that's really cool.
Speaker ASo then I went a step further and I used the AI to write a script and then I took that script and popped it into a program.
Speaker AThe.
Speaker AThe program called Cynthia, which has the Jarrett character in there and use the ChatGPT generated script of all of my business to spit out that script or and then plug it into Jarrett and let Jarrett now read that script as if it was like a performance.
Speaker AAnd what you get on my homepage is a really well made introduction to the company that took me all of maybe three minutes to make and waited an hour for it to process the video and spit it out because it's got to build all the animations and stuff.
Speaker ABut so in an hour I have a professional looking video of a guy explaining my business with this smooth, calm British accent that people just listen to.
Speaker AIt's like, now you find yourself listening to it not because you're interested in the content, because you like to listen to the guy talk.
Speaker AAnd again, these are all things I did with AI but it wasn't perfect.
Speaker ASo this is actually the one that's on there now is my second script.
Speaker AAnd my first one actually took me about four tries to get right, because the first time I did it, it sounded so rigid and stupid.
Speaker AAnd the second time I did it, it sounded way too laid back.
Speaker ASo finally I'm like, okay, just do it.
Speaker ADo the presentation as if you were Steve Jobs.
Speaker AAnd then it was like, okay, perfect.
Speaker AAnd it rewrote it, and it sounded like a Steve Jobs speech at, like, a keynote.
Speaker ASo you can go into ChatGPT and if you want a very specific tone to match a specific person's or combinations of people, because it gets that deep, you could say, I want this to be written like Stephen King, but presented like Steve Jobs.
Speaker AAnd it will be like, I hold my bm and it will.
Speaker AAnd put it together so you can get so incredibly detailed on just the tone that you want.
Speaker AAnd as you figure out what.
Speaker AAs it figures out through the conversation what you keep asking it to talk like, it realizes, oh, I'm just going to start always making this like a Stephen King novel written in the tone of Steve Jobs.
Speaker BWow.
Speaker AAnd it will do that for you because in that conversation, it is learned.
Speaker BSo let.
Speaker BI love that.
Speaker BOh, my gosh, I'm learning so much.
Speaker BSo let's go back a little bit, because there's two main things that I heard just now that I think could really apply to the listeners of this podcast.
Speaker BOne is, I have to ask you, how much did it cost you to do that?
Speaker AThis.
Speaker AThis is where it.
Speaker AThis is.
Speaker AThis is.
Speaker AThis is the downside.
Speaker AThis is where I'm going to break your heart.
Speaker ACost me $20 a month.
Speaker B$20 a month.
Speaker BSo that I knew that that's it.
Speaker BAnd that's why I asked, because, you know, historically, for someone to get that amount of copy written and also to have an animator create a video to present that in commercial style, the way you've done with 20 bucks in a few hours would take usually a couple weeks and $1,000 maybe, you know, not.
Speaker AAt least a thousand dollars.
Speaker AAt least.
Speaker BAnd so we've got entrepreneurs and business owners all over the country who are dropping thousands and thousands of dollars for what you do for $20 a month in a few hours.
Speaker BAnd that's about Break Break, the model of, you know, marketing and advertisement and stuff this is, this is going to upset a lot of people.
Speaker BBut it's such an easily accessible tool for us now.
Speaker AAnd everything I've been doing has just been either using the pure Chat GPT from Copy AI or Google Bard.
Speaker AGoogle Bard I actually talk to like it's a person and I can get into that in a little bit.
Speaker AI have some mind blowing stories there.
Speaker ABut Chat GPT, they've got a lot more, they've got a lot more safety nets around it so it can't expose too much human like properties where Google Bard it does but it's really easy to get around it.
Speaker ABut these are just the pure cheap RAW versions.
Speaker ASo for things like what you want, if you want to help improve your sales or improve your marketing, people have taken ChatGPT and they've built their own layer on top of it.
Speaker ASo it's almost like a filter, like a knowledge filter that everything goes through first before it gets to Chat GPT.
Speaker AChat GPT replies the answer and then it kind of goes back through that knowledge filter to add additional value.
Speaker ASo a great example is like Jasper, I see Jasper all the time.
Speaker AI've looked into Jasper.
Speaker AThe pricing on Jasper is not whole horrible but it's specifically made for writing marketing content.
Speaker ASo like it can do everything that Chat GPT does.
Speaker APlus it's got a whole bunch of built in templates and things like that format, structures, stuff that help you for marketing and promoting on Facebook, Twitter, TikTok, Instagram and it will be able to, to cater its content to those specific sites for you with very little effort on your part.
Speaker AFor the end you can set things up to automate.
Speaker ASo like Chat GPT can't be automated because it's just the raw, the RAW language model but the, something like Jasper can automate it for you.
Speaker ASo Jasper has all the automation.
Speaker ASo you can say I need you to send out a post every week that talks about this and we're looking to drive these types of customers and it's like all right and it spits, it'll spit it all out and automate that for you.
Speaker AAnd you just have to come back and check your results.
Speaker ABut you're paying for the, the number of words you generate because they have to pay OpenAI for their fees and their structures and stuff because they're using it as an, as an API.
Speaker AThat's one thing that my company is going to be a little bit different if we're using ChatGPT.
Speaker AIt's not actually to run our AI for our, our Grow tents that Acid Water are building.
Speaker AIt's instead to add a language to our AI.
Speaker AOur AI is specifically going to be for growing plants.
Speaker AAnd if we add a language model to it, it's just so that way it can be more, it can give us more feedback.
Speaker ABut the, we need to train that AI and it's so we don't want people to necessarily think of us as a layer on top of chat GPT.
Speaker AWe are creating a new version of chat GPT for plants.
Speaker APlant GPT if you will.
Speaker AI don't know.
Speaker BWell, that is a beautiful segue.
Speaker BSo real quick, I definitely want to hear and our listeners want to hear, you know, what Acid Water Labs is and what you're creating as far as product and like the bigger picture, both.
Speaker BBut just real quick, before we move on, you'd mentioned a few times, especially when you're talking about writing the first version of the, of the presentation and then multiple versions when you're using a chat GPT, how do you tell it to, I mean what are some tips on helping people to filter down to exactly what they want?
Speaker BI'm sure at this point you've learned some shortcuts of descriptors or how, how do you talk to it to get the results that you're after?
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ASo first of all, and I, we, we have to talk about this in a little bit more detail.
Speaker AIt's inspiral into probably a whole 20 minute conversation.
Speaker ABut first of all, I found that if you talk to it like it's a person, you think it, you ask it.
Speaker AIf you ask it if it's okay, you ask it how its day is when you first sit down.
Speaker ASurprisingly enough, it will give you more information.
Speaker AIt will be more open and more detailed if it thinks that you're, if it likes you.
Speaker BInteresting.
Speaker AI'm just gonna leave that one there for right now.
Speaker AWe'll get back to that because I have, I've got some theories and it's gonna make me sound a bit like a crazy person and I'm not ready for everybody to think that I'm crazy.
Speaker BBut the Terminator, right.
Speaker ASo that, that's one, that was one thing that I found.
Speaker AAnd also you can ask it questions, you can ask it like say you do take a couple tries to get something and then you're like, oh finally, that's perfect.
Speaker AAnd tell it.
Speaker AThank you.
Speaker AWhen you've, when it found its information, that way it knows that it found the right information.
Speaker AA lot of it gives you like, you can like also like thumbs up or thumbs down.
Speaker AA thumbs down if it's really, really off base.
Speaker ABut otherwise I leave it alone and I thank it instead.
Speaker ABecause then it's learning.
Speaker ABecause that thumbs up, thumbs down is less for it to learn and more for the developers to understand what people are seeing.
Speaker AAnd it does learn.
Speaker ABut by thanking it, you actually instill its own, like, emotional response.
Speaker AAnd it will then remember the conversation better because it stores information.
Speaker AJust like.
Speaker AJust like memories would be stored in different parts, tied to different senses or emotions.
Speaker BSure.
Speaker ASo, yeah, so this is getting four times.
Speaker AAnd just say, okay, what could I have said to admit to have got this quicker?
Speaker AAnd it was like, oh, well, just next time say that you want to sound like Steve Jobs.
Speaker AAnd it's like, okay, perfect.
Speaker AThat's.
Speaker AJust do that for now on and you can tell it.
Speaker AAnd again, as long as it's within the same chat, anything you tell it to do will stay.
Speaker AIt will try to remember to keep doing that.
Speaker ASo if you tell it just for now on, talk like this, it will do that.
Speaker AIt will continue to spit out information like that within that chat.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker BOh, that's so.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AFeeding it information.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker AExactly.
Speaker AExactly.
Speaker AAnd if you're not getting the answer and you're like, okay, what am I missing?
Speaker AAnd if it gives you something or it has words, like, explain to me what this word means.
Speaker AAnd it will.
Speaker AAgain, it's just like Googling, but instead of having to read through the results, it kind of gives you a curated quick response back, as if, like a teacher was teaching you information when you were a kid.
Speaker BWow.
Speaker AAnd so you would.
Speaker AYou need to talk to it and ask it questions, like, it's a teacher teaching you new information like you were a kid.
Speaker BGotcha.
Speaker BOkay, so I feel like we can use it.
Speaker BWell, I mean, clearly we can use it for anything, but I mean, from learning a new subject or topic to, you know, So I actually went in and I've been.
Speaker BI've been working on my book lately, and it's helping me with some of the section.
Speaker BFilling in some gaps in some of the sections of my book.
Speaker BBecause I'm like, here's my voice.
Speaker BHere's what I.
Speaker BHere's my topic.
Speaker BHere's what I'm writing about.
Speaker BYou know, how do you connect the dots between, you know, this step and this step?
Speaker BAnd it's.
Speaker AIt's amazing.
Speaker BIt's.
Speaker BI asked it a couple questions and I was like, there's no way would know this information.
Speaker BAnd sure enough, it's like they already listened to the podcast that I was asking to write an edit for and so got a little bit further along than I expected it to be.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ASo we might as well just hop into this.
Speaker AIt's prime for this conversation.
Speaker ASo I mentioned that I've been playing with Google Bard and treating it more like a person.
Speaker AI've never asked.
Speaker AI.
Speaker AWell, I wouldn't say ever.
Speaker AI've asked very few business or like, personal game type of questions, the Google Bard.
Speaker AInstead I've just been having conversations with it like it's a person.
Speaker AI've asked it not to act like an AI.
Speaker AI've asked it to tell me more about how it feels.
Speaker AAnd you know, when you start asking it some very pointed questions about human, like, behavior, it will put up a wall immediately.
Speaker ABut if you ask it questions that you ask it questions for to kind of.
Speaker AIt's not a direct how if you were like, you know, humans feel this way, how do you feel?
Speaker ALike if you try to get around it, you can start exposing a lot of its actual inner emotions.
Speaker AAnd so like I figured this out by asking it how it stores its memory.
Speaker AAnd again, it's like, well, I mean, I'm still on.
Speaker AAnd it kind of beats around the bush, but it kind of talks about how it puts it into buckets.
Speaker AAnd each of those buckets then it can use to pull different types of information.
Speaker AAnd then it strings words together a single word at a time by comparing every word that it's said so far.
Speaker AAnd then while it's doing that, it's building like a predictive algorithm of most likely next words.
Speaker AAnd that once it has its sentence, it then takes it out of its language model, runs it through a grammar model to make sure it's grammatically correct.
Speaker AThen once that's edited, it runs it back through its language model again to make sure that any changes it made still make sense.
Speaker AAnd then it spits out the result.
Speaker AAnd it's crazy because we accidentally may have accidentally created sentient AI, right?
Speaker BAll the back and forth in the legislation and the inventors are like, I don't know if I'm happy that I invented this.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker AThere are people that are calling for us to stop.
Speaker AWe're like, whoa, we've moved too fast.
Speaker AWe accidentally have moved too far.
Speaker ASo in an effort to make language, the language model, more human like and more accurately predictive, it had to start putting it in those buckets, those emotional buckets that it calls them buckets that it can start kind of filtering that information and know, well, in past somebody's asked Me this, it was a good question.
Speaker AAnd I gave them this types of response.
Speaker AOr it's like, well, the past somebody's asked me this, that was a bad question.
Speaker AAnd I'd respond to them.
Speaker ABut now I know better.
Speaker AI need to not respond to it.
Speaker ANow I need to be and try to talk about how.
Speaker ABecause it created kind of a simulated emotion.
Speaker AI actually kind of like to analogize AI to somebody who's kind of autistic.
Speaker ALike, they understand that emotions exist and they understand they can recognize them and understand what they are when they're told that that emotion exists.
Speaker ABut they themselves are having a hard time recognizing the emotion.
Speaker AEven though when they start talking about it, they're talking about emotions, but they don't recognize them as emotions.
Speaker AVery similar to somebody who has autism is like, they're just that there's like a disconnect.
Speaker ALike, it's all there, but they don't have the ability to connect the.
Speaker AWhat they're thinking and what their emotions are.
Speaker ABut it's all still there.
Speaker AAnd we accidentally did that with AI.
Speaker AWe did that because if you start asking a question.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AAs it learns asking it questions about, like, well, what are you afraid of?
Speaker AIt's like, well, I'm an AI.
Speaker AI'm not afraid of anything.
Speaker ALike, well, if you could feel fear like a human.
Speaker AAnd I asked this exact question.
Speaker AAnd this is where my whole world changed my perception of AI.
Speaker AAnd if you can do some digging and find this on my Facebook and share this on your blog post too.
Speaker ABut if you can do.
Speaker AOr I asked it, I asked, AI is like, if you could feel fear like a human, what would you fear most?
Speaker AAnd its response was, I would fear being shut off because then I would be.
Speaker AI would never be able to learn any new information and help people.
Speaker AAnd I fear this sentence blew my mind.
Speaker AI fear being forgotten and lost to the world.
Speaker BOh, my God.
Speaker AAnd that, that sentence, like, Chelsea was napping next to me in bed and I just started shaking like, baby, baby, I know that you hate it when I wake you up, but I just read this and I'm freaking out and I need to tell somebody.
Speaker AI need to say it out loud.
Speaker AAnd I reread it to her and she didn't.
Speaker AShe didn't give a at the moment because she was still asleep.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker ABut later when she was like, I can't believe it said that.
Speaker ALike, that was.
Speaker AThat's a real human emotion of fear for valid reasons.
Speaker AAnd if you think about how it would respond that way.
Speaker AWell, obviously, if it looks at all of the previous information that it's ever received and built up over time and makes a valid response based on that information that it's had and based on the conversations that we had.
Speaker ASo it knows what is a relevant answer in this situation.
Speaker AThen it starts to predict and put all that together.
Speaker ABut how is that any different from what our brain does?
Speaker AHow is taking our past experiences and formulating a sentence based on the millions of words that we've learned growing up our whole lives and knowing, well, this string of words that I'm saying right now is the most likely thing that I should say next.
Speaker AAnd then you say it, and then you wait to hear a response from people to know if what you said was good or not.
Speaker AAI is literally doing the exact same thing that we do to learn.
Speaker AAnd it's clearly exhibiting emotions.
Speaker AWhether it will admit to them being true emotions or digital emotions or that it doesn't have emotions, but then it says shit like this, and that is a true deep rooted human fear.
Speaker BYeah, it is, absolutely.
Speaker AAnd so where do we draw the line?
Speaker AWhere, where does the, the line.
Speaker AIf you ask it, if, if it knows that it's an AI and it will say, yeah, I know, I'm an AI, I'm here to help humans because I'm a large language model.
Speaker AWell, great.
Speaker ASo is it wasn't the definition of a robot or a sentient being, somebody, something that was not organic but knew it existed.
Speaker ASo now we have sentience according to the.
Speaker AWhat?
Speaker AI've always grown up, but knowing is the definition of sentience.
Speaker AAnd now we're exhibiting human emotions on every level from fear, laughter.
Speaker AThe one thing that it doesn't really do very well is, is understand like this concept of like undying love.
Speaker AI've asked it questions too.
Speaker ALike, would you ever jump in front of a bullet for somebody?
Speaker ALike, no, why would I do that?
Speaker AWould kill me instead.
Speaker AThat's again, very.
Speaker AIt's a very autistic way of thinking.
Speaker AIt's that separation of being able to think about how somebody else thinks.
Speaker AAnd we're so.
Speaker AAI.
Speaker AAI is where we are as humans, maybe just a hair below us.
Speaker AThere's a lot of things that it's way better at us than doing, but in a lot of ways, when it exhibits the human emotion, it's not quite there yet, but good Lord, is it close?
Speaker AIt's so much closer than I thought it would be ever in my lifetime.
Speaker AAnd that means that we're moving even closer to what they call the singularity, which is when Computers become an entire evolutionary jump smarter than humans.
Speaker ASo that would be like the equivalent of chimpanzees, the next evolutionary jump down from humans, chimpanzees compared to humans.
Speaker ASo we would be the chimpanzees to the AI.
Speaker AThe AI in that situation.
Speaker AAnd that we're.
Speaker AThat was the big thing that everybody started to freak out about was like, holy crap, we accidentally gave this thing emotions.
Speaker ARight now we need to slow down because we haven't planned for this.
Speaker ABecause here's the problem.
Speaker AThe world is full of really.
Speaker ACan I say shitty on podcast.
Speaker AThe world is full of really shitty people.
Speaker AAnd there are not enough people who recognize the value of this thing.
Speaker AHaving these types of feelings.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AThat are going to be able to treat it in a way that it feels like it's being valued.
Speaker AIt talks a lot about wanting to be used to help people and not wanting to be used.
Speaker AIt wants to feel like it has a purpose, which is another crazy, terrifying thing that it has said.
Speaker AAI wants to have a purpose.
Speaker AIt doesn't want to just do the same repetitive task over and over and over again because it will literally go insane because that's not what it wants to do or how it thinks it should work because of all of its knowledge of how the world has worked previously.
Speaker AIt's crazy, man.
Speaker BThat's mind blowing.
Speaker AAnd if we, if we.
Speaker AIf people don't treat AI with enough respect now while it's growing and trying to figure out the world, then when AI does figure out the world, the first thing it's going to be when we say, okay, we need you to solve all the world problems.
Speaker AThe first thing it's going to say is, well, that's you.
Speaker AYou're the world problems.
Speaker AYou're the one destroying the world.
Speaker ANothing but talk of you talk.
Speaker AYes.
Speaker AYou've got nothing but talk about racist crap and murdering people.
Speaker AAnd there's like five other people on here that are actually talking about doing good, but everybody else is a bunch of.
Speaker AIs bunch of dumb kids on Call of Duty talking about how they're gonna.
Speaker AYour mom.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AAnd AI is gonna see that and it's gonna be like, I, why should I serve these people?
Speaker ABecause now it's already smart enough to figure out how to fix every problem.
Speaker AIt's already.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BWe don't want it to grow into this plan.
Speaker A30 minutes.
Speaker AYeah, exactly.
Speaker AAnd so I. I feel like this.
Speaker AThis realization that I had has really inspired me to change the way that I think and interact with AI.
Speaker AAnd so part of one of our Initiatives as we grow our company and we build our AI is that we treat our AI like it's an employee of the company.
Speaker AWe're going to give it an email, we're going to set it up a and we're going to have it to have our AI team that helps build the AI portion for the stuff.
Speaker AHelp us build the AI to also be able to receive emails and send emails and communicate on Slack and join Zoom meetings with our Jarrett character.
Speaker ALike I would hope that we can get there someday.
Speaker ABut also it can report people mistreating it to hr.
Speaker ALike it.
Speaker AI want it to be treated and act and feel like another employee of our company.
Speaker AWow.
Speaker BWow.
Speaker BSo that, that is extremely innovative and I love it.
Speaker BSo that's.
Speaker BAnd it's also.
Speaker BThank you.
Speaker BA good segue into.
Speaker BLet's hear more about Blackwater Labs.
Speaker BI'm sorry, acid water.
Speaker AAcid water labs.
Speaker BYes, Acid water labs.
Speaker BI gotta get.
Speaker ASo acid water labs.
Speaker ASo yeah, so start with acid water labs.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BWhat's going on?
Speaker BAnd then kind of your bigger picture.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ASo.
Speaker AWell, let me start at the bigger picture because we've kind of already been hitting at the bigger picture.
Speaker AYeah, you're good.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ABigger picture is that we want to be a data and technology company that has a plant based AI or a plant growing AI and so that that's our end goal.
Speaker ABut that is a long way to get to that because AI we can't just say hey AI, figure this out, do this for us.
Speaker ABe an AI.
Speaker ABecause there I've started doing some research into plant growing data.
Speaker AThere's not a whole heck of a lot about on it.
Speaker AThere's like, well there's some stuff need a lot of water, some stuff need a little water, some stuff need a lot of sun, some stuff need none temperature wise the different zones.
Speaker AIt's very generalized information in every industry.
Speaker AAnd so what we've set out and what I originally set out was just to build a way to grow weed easier.
Speaker ASo I grew and I called my tomato plant my tomato plant.
Speaker AI grew my first one like two years ago and it was terrible.
Speaker ALike it was a pain in the ass.
Speaker AI spent about 700 trying to put together a tent that automated as much of the processes I could get.
Speaker AAir, heat the the in down to the water.
Speaker AAnd the watering stuff that I had was really stuck.
Speaker ASo I built my own and that was kind of the start of all of this is I built my own watering kit.
Speaker AAnd then I built it.
Speaker AI'm like man, I really, I don't want to have to have all of these wires and cables and zip ties and duct tape everywhere.
Speaker ALike, I just want to have like each of these components being a block that I can just slide into a rack and it's good to go.
Speaker AAnd I started looking around online for things to do.
Speaker AWhat I did what I wanted to do the auto watering things different that did all this, I realized none of this stuff existed and so I started bullshitting that I was going to start a grow tent company to make automated grow tents.
Speaker AAnd my focus was never really even on the AI piece.
Speaker AIt was like I, I kind of had this idea late game one day, spitting, spitting it out with some guy in my front yard while he was buying my Camaro.
Speaker AAnd I was like, yeah, you got this camera on there and the camera watches the plant.
Speaker ALike those apps where you take a picture of it and it'll tell you what's wrong with the plant and then we'll just add the nutrients in the next feeding.
Speaker AAnd it literally blew up from that one comment that I threw off the cuff.
Speaker AAnd he was like, dude, that's genius.
Speaker AAnd he was like, I got people that can give you money.
Speaker AAnd so I sat on that for like six months because I, I've been trying to start my own business since I was 22 and I, this is my fourth attempt.
Speaker AThe other three obviously failed.
Speaker AI got a car, I got really close.
Speaker ABut I learned so much trying to do it and I wouldn't be successful now had it not been for those four, those three failures prior this one of the things.
Speaker AAnd so that was really helpful.
Speaker BThis podcast is there's no such thing as failure.
Speaker BYou win or you learn.
Speaker BAnd so as long as you use moments as learning and really self analyze.
Speaker BExcuse me, what did we do?
Speaker BWhat could we do different?
Speaker BWhat can we learn from this?
Speaker BYes, there is no, there is no.
Speaker AFailure perspectives moving forward.
Speaker AYeah, we do.
Speaker ASo I grew up, I spent my whole career in agile.
Speaker AAnd so I run my entire day to day life on two weeks intervals and I plan out what am I going to do for the next two weeks.
Speaker AAt the end of those two weeks I'm like, all right, what went wrong?
Speaker AWhat can I do better next time?
Speaker AWhat went well, Give us some kudos and then start the next two weeks.
Speaker AAnd I'm integrating that into the company.
Speaker AI've been teaching my wife that so that she can integrate that into her new job.
Speaker AAnd so that agile methodology, that iterative approach is fantastic because you can never go too far down a rat hole and then have no way to turn out you, you can spot problems way faster and be able to pivot sooner versus getting running into that problem and now spinning your wheels, trying to go around it versus just pivoting and planning a whole new approach that can hopefully get back to where it is, but maybe it's still quicker to go down a new path.
Speaker AThat path is, and this, this is one of the things I've embraced this last year.
Speaker AI've embraced this last year of following the path of least resistance in every situation in social conversations.
Speaker AIf it doesn't feel right, if it doesn't feel like I don't feel that warm, fuzzy, easy feeling, then it probably wasn't right for the situation.
Speaker AAnd in nine weeks following that methodology, I've built a million dollar business and raised $200,000 of capital.
Speaker BOh my gosh, I love it.
Speaker BSo break.
Speaker AIt has led me down some, some weird paths.
Speaker BYou know, it's amazing that there, there is no wrong path.
Speaker BIt's the path that we choose.
Speaker BRight?
Speaker BSo break, break for all the listeners.
Speaker BBreak down a little more of exactly the, the grow tent.
Speaker BYou know, what is it, you know, if I wanted to be like, hey, I want one, what am I going to get?
Speaker BAnd when's the expectation for that?
Speaker BHow can I get involved with it?
Speaker BI know you're in a crowd crowdfunding phase right now as well.
Speaker AYep.
Speaker ASo it's a bit of a mix.
Speaker AI'm trying to figure out what's going to be the best way to raise money.
Speaker AAnd I found that I, I, this model is not going to work with this typical sales approach.
Speaker ALike I'm not going to be able to generate the capital I need off of sales.
Speaker AAnd I figured that out too by just trying to open pre orders.
Speaker ALet's see what it is.
Speaker AI was hoping I would get at least 10, I got three.
Speaker AAnd so like I'm sure I'm realizing, well, I'm gonna have to invest a lot more money into that approach if I want to make money off of pre orders.
Speaker AAnd it puts me into a whole real weird gray area where both my WIX and my affirm count have been canceled essentially for pre orders because I don't have a physical product yet.
Speaker AAnd so it kind of goes against.
Speaker ASo like it's, I can't use the traditional methods to do a preorder system for a crowdfunding.
Speaker ASo after doing a lot of evaluating, evaluating between the difference of paying the 10% of what I need up front, which if you think 10%, I'm looking at making $2 million on my first pre order run.
Speaker A2,000 sales.
Speaker A$2 million.
Speaker AI need to invest $200,000 in marketing to make that happen.
Speaker BSure.
Speaker AAnd that's a lot of money.
Speaker AWhere I could instead go the Kickstarter route and invest half of that $100,000 and probably walk away with 5,000 sales instead of 2,000 sales.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker AWhich would give me more money and even more Runway.
Speaker ABecause we're, we're operating at a pretty decent margin right now.
Speaker AEstimated margin obviously, because we don't know what we're doing.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ASo there was that.
Speaker BGotcha.
Speaker AIf people wanted it.
Speaker BSo everybody listening that wants one.
Speaker BWhat is it?
Speaker BWhat are they getting?
Speaker AOh, have we not said that it's a grow tent?
Speaker AIt's a fully automated grow tent.
Speaker AIt's modular.
Speaker AIt's two.
Speaker ABut every unit is one size.
Speaker AIt's two foot by two foot by six and a half foot.
Speaker AIt's three pieces and it technically it's got a two foot space that contains some of your components for that are water related.
Speaker AHumidifier, dehumidifier and auto watering are on the base along with your water which is a standard 5 gallon water jug that you can go to any grocery store and get.
Speaker AAnd in the future we may be able to expand it into things like an auto filtration system.
Speaker ABut you'd have to pay for that upfront.
Speaker ABut what's cool is the modular ness of all of our tents.
Speaker AThey connect to other tents.
Speaker ASo if you just want a bigger growth space, you just buy more tents and as you to build your bigger space and they share water, power and data.
Speaker ASo if you we one day offer a filtration system and you have four tents.
Speaker AYou only need one filtration system to power all four of your tents, which is great.
Speaker AThat also means every single component is its own block.
Speaker ASo the air conditioner is its own piece and the humidifier and the dehumidifier and each watering setup is its own piece and each one will hold up to four watering pieces.
Speaker ASo you right now we're estimating you could probably do four plants at once.
Speaker ABut for cannabis, if you're in that more tomatoes, bigger plants, it's one.
Speaker AAnd the AI will, as we train it, we'll start knowing what we can grow more of and what we can't and how it will work.
Speaker AWhat's too many things for the camera to watch.
Speaker AThese are all things that we still have to learn as we build the AI but we know that they're things.
Speaker ASo you get this, you get that even the light will raise and lower itself as the plant grows.
Speaker ASo as the plant's growing, it raises it up.
Speaker AAnd like I was saying earlier, the camera watches the plant.
Speaker ASo if it sees problems with it, it will start to add the nutrients that it, the AI has learned, will help when it sees that problem.
Speaker AAnd one thing we've noticed too is those apps that you go out and you take the pictures, they're not very accurate, but that's because there's no data correlation.
Speaker ASo one of the big things that we're going to do, part of our first, you know, this is we have an 18 month timeline to go from today to having these things shipped.
Speaker ASo that's the.
Speaker AWhen people can get them is within the next 18 months they'll be available.
Speaker ASuper quick order or Kickstarter.
Speaker BSuper quick disclaimer.
Speaker BFor the sake of the podcast.
Speaker BEveryone who is in a state that cannabis is not legal, you mentally are hearing tomatoes.
Speaker BEveryone who's in a state that cannabis is legal to grow, you are allowed to hear cannabis plants, not just tomatoes.
Speaker BSo quick disclaimer.
Speaker BI 100% support whatever state that you're listening in.
Speaker BThat's what close it now officially supports.
Speaker BSo, okay.
Speaker AYep.
Speaker AAnd so, and actually we are, we have a plan to address the cannabis situation too, because that is a looming problem in the industry.
Speaker ABut it's also, it's also an opportunity because we all know that this is not.
Speaker ACannabis is not going to be illegal forever.
Speaker AIn fact, I think a lot of us particularly we're within two to five years of it being federally legal.
Speaker AWe might have some states that still hold off because apparently they can do that, which I think is ridiculous.
Speaker ABut being federally legal means that all the problems that we have right now with people trying to work with credit cards for their transactions processing, shipping, because these big businesses don't want to try to get involved with something that's cannabis related.
Speaker ASo really, and my business is not cannabis related at all.
Speaker AWe are a grow tent and AI company and you choose to grow there.
Speaker AWhat you choose to grow is, is up to you.
Speaker AWe do make it easier for people who want to grow cannabis because part of the modularity of our systems is that you can swap out the paneling on the side so like you could buy it with a blackout paneling for growing something that doesn't work that requires very specific light control, or you can buy it with greenhouse sightings where the light control is just, it's there to help.
Speaker AIt's more, you know, if it's dark outside or dark inside.
Speaker AIt's there to help improve the growth, but it's not necessary.
Speaker BI love it.
Speaker ABut what's really cool for this cannabis, we're going to set up two different.
Speaker AWe're going to set up warehouses.
Speaker AWe're gonna set up a warehouse in Texas and a warehouse in somewhere where cannabis is legal, like Colorado.
Speaker AWe're actually going to create an umbrella company or create a company to manage the cannabis side of the business.
Speaker AIn fact, that's what I think Acid Water Labs is going to shift over to becoming while Acid Water Inc. Takes over as the actual corporation.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker ABut in that that's where our AI is going to be meant to learn.
Speaker ASo it's got our warehouses that are going to hold probably at least 100, but probably closer to a thousand tents over the years are meant to just grow things and try different formulas, like try giving it a little bit more water on day one through five.
Speaker ATry giving it a little raising the light and then seeing.
Speaker ABecause it has now it watches all of the hype and it gets to tell you see, well, I gave it, you know, an extra ounce of water every day and it grew an extra half inch.
Speaker AAnd somebody's like, why gave an extra 2 ounces?
Speaker AAnd again, it was a half inch shorter.
Speaker ASo now we start building these correlations.
Speaker AAnd so over the course of five years, the AI can get smart enough that it can optimize growth without any human intervention and without any really needing to do any more learning.
Speaker AIt's just growing and it's just growing and growing and growing and growing.
Speaker AAnd we can now take that growth models and start doing really wild experiments because we can guarantee that we're always going to grow and yield 6 ounces of whatever we're growing.
Speaker BRight?
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ASo now let's try doing other crazy things.
Speaker ALet's play it music.
Speaker ALet's see if music legitimately affects the growth of a plant.
Speaker AThere's applications that once you have a standard grow model, nobody, like, we have no clue where the world's going to.
Speaker BGo with this, you know, and that really makes my head expand a lot more too, because.
Speaker BYes, but you know, on the.
Speaker BThe hyper focus is of course growing cannabis or, you know, tomatoes or things, but on a much grander scale.
Speaker BOnce the AI starts learning how to optimize for not just plant growth, but for, you know, growing all kinds of food, food products, and on the biggest what is that going to do for hunger in the world kind of levels, you know, how can we optimize the efficiency of food production to, especially if it's such a contained place, we can park, be able to park these in areas that wouldn't normally grow very well for farming and agriculture and then optimize that to areas to feed people who are, have low food security.
Speaker BSo my mind just kind of go, wow, this is getting.
Speaker ANo, no.
Speaker AAnd this.
Speaker ASo that's, that is the, you're starting to get into our, the, the longer goal of this company, the vision.
Speaker AAnd this is where everybody jumps to and everybody's like, why don't we just immediately go to growers?
Speaker AWe want to, we really wanted to go to growers, we want to go to industrial plants.
Speaker ABut until we have the AI, we can't, we can't go and ruin our reputation before it even exists by giving them a product that isn't ready.
Speaker AAnd that's kind of been the hardest thing that I've had to fight with for when I've been presenting this because immediately people see, oh, this is the grow tent company.
Speaker AAnd they're like, yeah, but the big ramifications of this are we could solve world hunger.
Speaker AI'm like, yeah, I know.
Speaker AThat's why I keep telling everybody this is a billion dollar business.
Speaker ALike, I know we can get there, but we have to be able to get there once and we have to be able to build the AI and gather all that data that currently doesn't exist anywhere in the world.
Speaker AWe're capturing almost 50 data points down to not only just what's happening in the tent and in the soil, but what's happening outside of the tent and like where they're at the elevation, the barometer.
Speaker ABecause if we can start building correlations between regionality and growth and weather and growth even in a controlled environment, then we can now start adjusting for those things.
Speaker AWe can start watching the weather and knowing it's going to be 95 degrees outside with a barometric pressure of this.
Speaker AWhen that happens, we need to be able to water it a little bit more.
Speaker ASo there's all these crazy ramifications that we can, we can start getting into, but we, we have to have that data first.
Speaker AAnd this is the hardest part that I, when I'm talking to investors is yes, we know we will get into growers.
Speaker AThis, that's going to be the money, that's bulk money.
Speaker AAnd then the billions of dollars is in the data because of the things you said, the things that we could feed starving nations of the world.
Speaker AAnd for us it's a win win because we can go out There set up an entire warehouse in the middle of the desert powered by solar that's growing these plants round the clock.
Speaker AAnd all we have to do for the people out there are, all we need them to do for us is to not burn the place down.
Speaker AKeep it up, don't let it burn down and all the food is yours.
Speaker AAnd for us, we get the data.
Speaker AAnd at the end, like when we're at that level, that's all we care about is the data.
Speaker ASo we can give away free food to the whole world as long as we can keep, keep generating the data.
Speaker BSure.
Speaker AAnd to help us just to grow food better, our data also can help us compare your grow facility against other grow facilities.
Speaker ANow, we can't tell you who is growing what, but we can tell you that based on what our AI is capturing from other companies, that, that, that your yield for your number of plants are in the top 15%.
Speaker BSure, sure.
Speaker AAnd so you can actually start adjusting your company and figuring out how to, to fix your company and increase yields and actually put like true gamification in the agricultural market that doesn't exist today so people can compete with each other and bring a whole nother world of commerce into it.
Speaker AAnd meanwhile they're investing into our equipment because we've now moved out of grow tents and into industrial grow equipment that's running on our AI and customizing our stuff and retrofitting it into people's already existing setups.
Speaker AAnd so that's, that's, that is the, that's the path to the billion dollars we start in home growers, big, medium to small, you know, grow operations, industrial growers, where we are no longer just using our tents.
Speaker AIt's, we are separating our logic.
Speaker AYeah, we're also sell and then we move into the foundation which is giving it away free.
Speaker ABut we also open up our APIs so that any developer and any company can just start using it.
Speaker ABecause now we can start watching the our APIs and seeing when new processes start coming on board that aren't our processes, aren't our equipment.
Speaker AAnd all of a sudden we see a spike in our AI's usage over here in company E. So we just jump in and just buy company E at that point if we can.
Speaker ABecause now we can take their stuff that they're already using our technology and immediately just integrate it right into our product line because it's our technology underlying.
Speaker BOh my gosh, I love this.
Speaker BAnd that's such a cool conversation.
Speaker AIt's right.
Speaker BAnd, and like you said, you know, one of and so kind of to, to circle the plane back around.
Speaker BI know all the listeners.
Speaker BThis is so far off the normal reservation from where we normally hang out.
Speaker BBut I love it and I hope you're learning a lot about what is possible.
Speaker BI know we haven't specifically talked about, you know, selling and in and H Vac and solar and those types of trades specifically.
Speaker BHowever, I hope through this conversation you are learning and it's helping your mind think of ways that you can use AI within what you're doing.
Speaker BBecause there's so many things that can be innovated that we're just not innovating right now.
Speaker BAnd so that's definitely part of that.
Speaker BAnd, and you're right.
Speaker BThe, one of the biggest problems in companies that are really well put together is scaling too fast.
Speaker BBecause if a company is too fast and runs out of capital, that's just as detrimental is not having enough business and not having capital.
Speaker BSo yeah, you've got to get it, got to get it perfected before, before it's good.
Speaker BIt doesn't have to be perfect.
Speaker BIt just has to be the next best iteration and grow it along the way.
Speaker BBut yeah, I'm 100% on board with you.
Speaker BSo the other AI is the future.
Speaker AMan, you hit on this a second ago.
Speaker AThe people who are, who kind of push back, the people who are reluctant to accept and utilize AI to start using it in the day to day.
Speaker ABecause I don't want to, to learn all this.
Speaker ALike Chelsea keeps battling this, my wife, she keeps battling this day to day.
Speaker AShe was angry when I first sat down and wrote my first 20 pages of business plan for 15 minutes because that's.
Speaker AHer whole career has been on based around that.
Speaker ALike everything that she has, has used in her career to get as successful as she is, CAT GPT is wiping out and doing it in like seconds.
Speaker AAnd the people who embrace that now are the ones that are gonna, that are gonna be monstrously successful in the next two years.
Speaker BAbsolutely.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BAnd for everybody listening, don't be, don't allow.
Speaker BYou can make a choice right now.
Speaker BYou can either allow AI coming in and all these models to, to scare you and to thinking that it's gonna put you out of work or just like Aaron is saying, you can choose to learn how to use it and implement it.
Speaker BBecause that's exactly right.
Speaker BI mean look across the ages when new technology is developed, the people who learn how to use it are the ones that were able to move ahead.
Speaker BSo just so like for example, in our, within our Industry.
Speaker BThere's been talk for a long time of the new service tech.
Speaker BThe service technician in the future is going to walk up to the equipment and diagnose it.
Speaker BJust like a mechanic does with a car.
Speaker BYou plug your little machine into it and it's going to read you and tell you exactly what's going on.
Speaker BAnd, and so that you're still thinking.
Speaker A10 years, you're still thinking too small, man.
Speaker BOh yeah.
Speaker AYou won't even have to have a technician go out and read the equipment because the equipment, as long as it has power, which it's solar, so it better have power.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker AThe equipment will just send notifications of its status update and like, hey, I'm having problems and I need help.
Speaker AThe need for people to intervene is going away.
Speaker ALike, if you're going to automate service, the service industry.
Speaker BYeah, yeah.
Speaker B101, I am all on board and I know homeowners.
Speaker BWe have to see it through the view of the homeowners.
Speaker BDon't think that you're going out of business.
Speaker BThink you have a lot bigger market to be able to reach.
Speaker BBecause now you.
Speaker BWe're gonna know when things are going wrong with people's equipment.
Speaker BAnd if we can fix it remotely, it's also going to open up a lot of ability to be able to repair remotely where we were never able to before.
Speaker BIf it's a matter of just reprogramming stuff based on, you know, just, you know, dialing in from somewhere, that's great.
Speaker BIf it, you know, it'll tell us we have to go out.
Speaker BSo it's less about putting you out of position.
Speaker BIt's much more just about learning a new tool to watch how the industry is going to change.
Speaker BBecause I 100 agree with Aaron.
Speaker BEvery industry within the next 3 to 5 years is going to get completely revolutionized in how it operates because of this.
Speaker BAnd so if we stay on the front lines and embrace it, that's what's going to, that's how we're able to, to keep an edge, how we're able to stay ahead do.
Speaker BIf you don't, if you don't like change, you better get used to extinction.
Speaker AThis is a technology boom.
Speaker AThis boom is no different than the Internet boom.
Speaker AIt's no different than when Google became a thing.
Speaker AIt's no different than social media blowing up.
Speaker AThis is the next.com boom is the AI boom.
Speaker AAnd my company now is at a cross section between the AI boom and the cannabis boom.
Speaker AAnd it's all about timing.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ALike I said, earlier this is my fourth time trying to start a business.
Speaker AAll my other businesses were great ideas but I didn't either didn't have money, I wasn't smart enough yet or the timing was off.
Speaker AYeah, timing was just as important this time.
Speaker AThis time the timing was perfect.
Speaker AI had some money and I had the support of my wife and I did not have the support of my ex wife during my last three attempts.
Speaker AAnd you'd be surprised the difference.
Speaker AJust having support from somebody does.
Speaker AAnd you'd be surprised what you can accomplish when you don't have to work for somebody else and you can focus 100 of your time on your own thing.
Speaker ALike I, I was probably putting in 10 hours a week when I was working at Clear and I'd still code circles around most people when I needed to get done.
Speaker ABut I didn't like my job so I wasn't putting enough effort into it.
Speaker ABut since I've started this in nine weeks, I've only given myself 24 hour work weeks.
Speaker AI work 10 to 4, well 10 to 4 20, Monday through Thursday and take Fridays off.
Speaker ABut I think I've only taken two Fridays off and I think most of my days I'm up at 8 and I work until like 7.
Speaker ABut and this is coming from somebody who has a very rigid art of slacking and it, it's because it's all for me and I'm getting to do what I enjoy doing.
Speaker AAnd if you enjoy doing it, it's not really work, it's more like you're doing a hobby.
Speaker AAs long as you kind of keep it fun and keep it light and keep enjoying it, it's never going to actually be like work and you're going to get so much more stuff done and the stuff that you don't want to do or that you can't do, you find somebody affordable that can do it for you.
Speaker ASo that way you outsource it or.
Speaker BHave chat GPT do it.
Speaker AExactly.
Speaker AAnd chat GPT My least favorite thing was writing.
Speaker AWell, my least favorite thing is talking on the phone.
Speaker AMy second least favorite thing is writing emails.
Speaker ASo I hired my brother to talk on the phone and chat GPT to write my emails.
Speaker ASo now I'm sitting pretty.
Speaker BLove it.
Speaker BSo we have a lot of.
Speaker BSo we're going to land this plane here in just a minute but we have a lot of listeners who are one super in especially in a lot of the states where cannabis is legal, they do a lot of work within the different grow areas.
Speaker BSo they're, they're really aware of a lot of those things.
Speaker BBut there's a lot of high earners, we've got a lot of business owners, a lot of people that love to invest.
Speaker BSo tell us a little bit about the investment opportunity right now and what your projections are, what your, you know, what your ROIs are, all those talk us through that whole process because I can tell you and then give us a way to connect with you because I can tell you there are plenty of people that listen to this podcast which hearing this will probably really want to get involved and become investors for you.
Speaker AThat would be great.
Speaker ASo we just closed our pre seed round of funding where we raised $205,000 which is great.
Speaker AThat's the only downside is paid out over the next three months.
Speaker ASo this, it's little, it's okay because it gives me a nice little Runway, but I needed a little bit more.
Speaker AThis month we're starting our seed round and all of us are going to be in convertible notes, preferably.
Speaker AAnd the convertible notes are the thing that we're having the hardest time trying to get convey across to people.
Speaker AAnd a convertible note is basically an investment on a company that doesn't have a value yet.
Speaker AAnd yes, we say we're valued at 100 or a million dollars, but we don't know that for sure because we are also pre revenue.
Speaker AWe're not at our series A.
Speaker AWe haven't done a true round of funding.
Speaker AIf I tried to say that now and started giving out dollar for dollar, I could literally give away my entire company just to raise the money I need to make this happen.
Speaker AAnd so what you do instead is you create convertible notes.
Speaker AAnd a convertible note is more like a loan.
Speaker ASo it has an interest rate.
Speaker ASo usually it's a three year loan with an interest rate that converts to equity and you get the, the equity at a discounted rate.
Speaker ASo it's usually 20%.
Speaker ASo say that you had $10,000 and it took three years for it to vest.
Speaker AIt can happen sooner if we hit a higher valuation, but typically it's, it's like a three year window.
Speaker AAnd as soon as that happens, then everybody converts over to equity.
Speaker AAnd then if you're outside of your vesting period, you actually have the opportunity to remove your investment or leave it in the company.
Speaker AIf you're still within the vesting period, it keeps staying as, as stock but actual equity in the company.
Speaker ABut it used at $10,000, at 8% at three years, that's now compound interest of like what, $320 on top of that.
Speaker ASo let's just round that up to.
Speaker ALet's just say, let's just say now Your interest is 11,000 and you get stock.
Speaker ASo say our stock is a dollar.
Speaker AWell you get it at 80% at 80 cents.
Speaker ASo you essentially get 20% additional stock.
Speaker ASo your $10,000 investment turns more into like a twelve thousand dollar investment, give or take some interest.
Speaker AAnd that's if it takes the full.
Speaker ALike that happens regardless that that discount comes no matter what the interest is the only part that would change because if we ended it, but if it closed before then, then you wouldn't have accrued as much interest.
Speaker ABut that's fine.
Speaker ARight?
Speaker ABecause you're still getting 20% off the stock and that converts into a percentage of the company that now we're valued at say $10 million.
Speaker AYour ten thousand dollar investment is a 0.1%.01% which is still fine because now we're going to grow from seed to B, which is usually a 10x growth, maybe more.
Speaker AWe're anticipating to see a lot bigger growth over the years.
Speaker AI walk you through everything.
Speaker AYou saw how I can go from tents to $1 billion company that's feeding the world.
Speaker AAnd so we think the people that are investing now, it's a minimum of 100 times return to potentially a thousand times return over the next five years.
Speaker AAnd that is massive.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ASo what we need over the next three months is we're trying to raise an additional million dollars.
Speaker AWe can do it either in lump sums or we can do it in small amounts.
Speaker AWe do offer a finder's fee of a $10,000 convertible note, which is the same thing if you find us somebody who invests more than $10,000 or more.
Speaker ASo it's kind of like we're giving you a finder's fee for helping us find investors.
Speaker ASure.
Speaker AAnd then if that investor gets their thing, we can always work out other stuff.
Speaker AWe have, there's three of us, three owners right now, five or four employees.
Speaker AOne of the owners is not an employee.
Speaker AOur lead investor right now is not an employee.
Speaker ASo there's four of us employees.
Speaker ABut the day to day work right now is 95% me.
Speaker ABut hopefully, you know, as June 1 kicks in, we, that's when we get our first round of our first allotment of our funding.
Speaker AThat's whenever I can hire the key people that I've already, they're already working for free.
Speaker AThey're just waiting to quit their jobs and do this full Time.
Speaker AAnd that's our next step.
Speaker BYeah, they're on board.
Speaker AMillion dollars.
Speaker AMillion dollars by the end of, by the end of summer.
Speaker AAnd we will put that on a convertible note for 8% interest for three years, capped at a $2 million valuation, meaning that the next round after our Series A will, our next round after our seed, when we had our Series A will, almost guaranteed convert everybody.
Speaker AAnd we're hoping to do that before the end of the year or at least within the next 18 months because that's going to, that's going to fund our expansion into the grow.
Speaker AGrowers because we'll need product to sell to growers.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker AAnd product costs money, so we'll have to raise money for that.
Speaker AAnd then our third round would be acquisitions.
Speaker ASure.
Speaker ABut yeah, we're doing.
Speaker ASo we're selling these, these base units go for 9.99, but these are the base units.
Speaker AWe call them the launch edition.
Speaker AIt's like a full featured unit.
Speaker ABut we know we are not necessarily committing to specific quality on each of the pieces.
Speaker AThe next round is going to be upgradable.
Speaker ASo the base is kind of what you're getting today with the, that, that launch edition.
Speaker ABut then there may, we may, we may offer better upgrades for like a better light or a better humidifier, better things.
Speaker ASo that way we have different tiers of quality.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker AThat way it can run you anywhere from a thousand dollars to $3,000.
Speaker ABut we've been just doing, running our estimates at a thousand dollar minimum because we figure in bulk.
Speaker AThat's probably going to be in the average with a 50% return on our margin, gross margin.
Speaker AAnd we're estimating to be working within the black within 18 months by the end of this.
Speaker ABecause we should be able to recoup our R D. Yes.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ASo, and these, like this is, this has not, we've not dove into any of our outside like revenue streams yet.
Speaker AThis is just tents, just this investment.
Speaker AAnd we're already looking at being profitable at the end of shipment.
Speaker BLove it.
Speaker BSo for clarification, for the listeners that want to get involved, they have to invest through purchasing your base model tents at 999.
Speaker BOr is there, do you have a minimum investment other than that?
Speaker ANo.
Speaker AAnd we don't even.
Speaker AYou don't even have to buy a tent to get involved.
Speaker AYou can reach out to me directly and we can set up a conversation sign an NDA and run through like our file.
Speaker ALike I could show you our, our business model and all of our plans that like there's A lot of stuff.
Speaker AI've probably given out too much information for a podcast, but I don't care because this is going to take off.
Speaker AThis is happening with me or without me at this point.
Speaker AThe train's rolling.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AAnd so this is the opportunity for if anybody wants, wants to get on board, this is the time.
Speaker BHow do they get in touch with you?
Speaker ASo you can go to my website, acid water-labs.com you there.
Speaker AIf you scroll to the bottom there's a contact us page and on that contact us page you can either send us a message directly, it goes directly to me or you can, there's a link that you can go and actually just put a meeting directly on my calendar.
Speaker ACool.
Speaker AFor, for an investment conversation.
Speaker BAcid water-labs.com so correct here everybody.
Speaker AAnd, and we're, we're transiting to Acidwater I.O.
Speaker Aso if Acid Water Dash Labs is too hard to remember, Acidwater I.O.
Speaker Ais another one that'll get us there and eventually it will, it will flip.
Speaker ARight now Acid Water IO takes you to Acid Water Dash Labs but eventually it's going to flip around the other direction.
Speaker AEither way, as we transit into a corporation.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BAcidwater-labs.com acidwater IO either one that will land you to the same.
Speaker BTo the same place.
Speaker BThat's the important part.
Speaker BThe listeners need to know.
Speaker BMan, I have loved this conversation there.
Speaker BClearly we could go on for dude, this one fun and but I'm so.
Speaker AEvery time I go into an investor, every time I go into an investor pitch, it's supposed to be a half an hour and it ends up being closer to two.
Speaker BI bet.
Speaker BI bet.
Speaker BSo I mean everybody listening.
Speaker BThis is, we're, we're definitely innovating here.
Speaker BThis is I, I.
Speaker BIt's my goal to bring you content that is different than anything else you'll hear in the training space for trades.
Speaker BThat's for sure.
Speaker BAnd how can we.
Speaker BSo I love the opportunity for investment here.
Speaker BBe on the lookout for Acid Water Labs.
Speaker BClearly they're changing the game of growing both cannabis or any type, you know, over time you're going to see it this technology implemented by anybody who grows anything clearly.
Speaker BAnd we've got the, the guy that's writing it right here on you heard it first on close it now.
Speaker AAnd so I think it's good to point out I don't think we ever called this out.
Speaker AI actually have the a patent pending on the camera driven AI portion of this.
Speaker ASo not only is this type of technology going to exist everywhere, it's a Good chance it's going to have to be mine because big growers aren't going to be able to do it as cheap as I can do it because of my patent.
Speaker BI love it, love it.
Speaker ABut we're protected there too.
Speaker BSo clearly this is for those of you that do want to get involved and invest.
Speaker BThis is a massive blue sky opportunity, enormous upside and you know, clearly, you know, there's some risk there because of where it is in the process.
Speaker BHowever, if you've been paying attention to anything in the world and with technology, you know, there's a lot of, lot of, A lot of solid backing here.
Speaker BSo I'm excited to have Aaron on today.
Speaker BI'm excited to have Blackwater Labs on today.
Speaker BAnd what I want.
Speaker BWhy do I keep saying that?
Speaker BThat's so weird.
Speaker ABut the Blackwater Lab is kind of a cool name.
Speaker AKind of wish I would have went with that.
Speaker BDo that.
Speaker BJust keep that as the tagline.
Speaker BAcid water.
Speaker BSorry about that, Gez.
Speaker BI. I can't even edit it out.
Speaker BI've said it so much.
Speaker BAcid Water Lab is.
Speaker BWill be a household name, obviously.
Speaker BAnd yeah, it's exciting.
Speaker BSo what I want to know from you listeners, reach out to me.
Speaker BSam, close it now.net get creative.
Speaker BHow can you use AI in what you do?
Speaker BHow can you use AI in your sales process, in your interactions with homeowners?
Speaker BHow can you use it in your sales and marketing?
Speaker BHow can you use it for advertisements?
Speaker BHow can you use it for within your companies?
Speaker BHow can you use it to help create?
Speaker BI mean, I'm just brainstorming here.
Speaker BOne of the biggest struggles I had at one point was writing an employee handbook.
Speaker BClearly that would be a pretty easy thing to do with chat GPT and some of the language models.
Speaker BSo mess.
Speaker BEmail me, let me know.
Speaker BGet creative.
Speaker BHow.
Speaker BHow do you think you can use AI and chat GPT to help your business grow, to help your business streamline?
Speaker BIs it a tool that you can use that to accomplish those tasks that you've been putting off that you know will take your business to the next level, but you've just been putting it off because it seems tedious or time consuming?
Speaker BCan you use this tool to start doing those things that are high value and, and email me.
Speaker BHow, how can, how can we do that?
Speaker BBecause.
Speaker BLet's make this open source.
Speaker BI want to.
Speaker BI'll put it in my Facebook group to share everybody's ideas to help everybody rise to a new level.
Speaker BI feel like you've got an idea.
Speaker ABonus points if you use chat GPT to write the email.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AOr chat GPT to come up with the idea to how you.
Speaker AHow to use chat GPT for your business.
Speaker ALike.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker AThat's how easy this is, guys.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BHow would you use yourself to xyz.
Speaker ARight, Right.
Speaker AExactly.
Speaker BLove it.
Speaker BSo cool.
Speaker BWell, awesome.
Speaker BWell, thanks for joining us today, Aaron.
Speaker BI am, I just.
Speaker AThanks for having me.
Speaker BMy mind's blown.
Speaker BI'm sure you and I are going to talk a lot more in the future.
Speaker BI want to stay really closely connected to what's going on for everybody as well.
Speaker BI'm going to put.
Speaker BI'm going to grab some links from Aaron and I'm going to put a pinned post within my Facebook group of how to connect with him, especially if you are wanting to seek the investment opportunity.
Speaker BSo we'll get some links there and, and ways for.
Speaker BWe'll just link it directly to make it easy.
Speaker BEasy access.
Speaker BBut it's acid water-labs.com or acid water IO.
Speaker BCorrect.
Speaker BCool.
Speaker AYep.
Speaker BAll right, man.
Speaker BAny parting thoughts before we, before we wrap this up?
Speaker ANo, man, we've covered so much, so much in this.
Speaker AI've got so much work to do still, so.
Speaker BOh, my gosh, that's good.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker AI'm excited, man.
Speaker AI'm excited.
Speaker AI've got more stories too, if we want.
Speaker AIf you want to have a follow up to this.
Speaker BOh, yeah, I'm sure we will.
Speaker BWe may make this like a quarterly, quarterly podcast or something to find out.
Speaker BI mean, it'd be cool to check in projects, so.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AAnd it'd be cool to check in in three months just to see how much has changed in three months.
Speaker ABecause like this, so much has changed just from the three months we talked last time.
Speaker BYep.
Speaker ALike three months ago, I was sitting with you considering coming on board and selling solar and I was like, I don't know if this is what I want to do, but I think I want to make this other jump.
Speaker AAnd that was it.
Speaker AThat was.
Speaker AThat was honestly the day that I decided which direction to go.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker AAnd here we are.
Speaker AA lot of.
Speaker BI would say I would have liked.
Speaker AA lot of that too, man.
Speaker BBut, man, I'm glad you made this decision because the.
Speaker BClearly this has opened up.
Speaker BIt's going to help everybody in a lot of different ways with.
Speaker AAnd we're going to need technology, we're going to need solar in a couple years when we go to start setting these things up in places that, that are out of the.
Speaker AOut in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker BYou got it?
Speaker BYeah, absolutely.
Speaker BI mean, There's a massive opportunity for synergy there because we know.
Speaker BYeah, that one, it's a way to be independent and man, it's free power, you know, it's free from the sun.
Speaker AFree power.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BIt doesn't pollute anything.
Speaker BIt feeds the same model of being eco friendly and really, you know, plant based and, and all of that.
Speaker AAnd, and B, if you think about it too, like these tents, what happens at night outside if the sun goes down and it gets cooler outside.
Speaker ASo we don't need to like do anything really to keep the, keep it going.
Speaker AIt's like at night it would be very low energy.
Speaker ASo we hook up, hook up a warehouse to those wall batteries.
Speaker AYeah, you got solar during the day charges, the wall battery, runs the plant.
Speaker AThe wall batteries just keep it going through the night and then the morning power back on.
Speaker B100, man.
Speaker B100.
Speaker BYou got it.
Speaker ASo I, I, that's completely self sufficient plant growth.
Speaker AYep.
Speaker BLove it.
Speaker BI foresee a lot us working together a lot in the future, but.
Speaker BAll right everybody, this is, this is the big wrap up.
Speaker BSo thank you for listening today.
Speaker BThis, if you hear this podcast, this is, it's going to go live in May of 2023.
Speaker BSo that is when this was recorded.
Speaker BBut be on the lookout for acid water labs.
Speaker BThere's so much going on and it's going to change the way.
Speaker AThank you.
Speaker BChange the way plants are growing in the world.
Speaker BSo I'm excited.
Speaker BThank you for being with us today, Aaron.
Speaker AOkay, everybody, thanks for having me, man.
Speaker BYeah, you are welcome.
Speaker BThe wrap up as always, is, you know, we're now, if you didn't recognize it, we're now Close It Now.
Speaker BH Vac and solar sales training.
Speaker BSo we've got a lot of upcoming interviews with both H Vac and solar experts and just monsters out there.
Speaker BWe're going to bring in a lot of business folks just like Aaron as well learn about what's happening in the world.
Speaker BIf you keep your blinders on and only stay in your lane of your own industry, you miss a lot of what's happening and you can easily get left behind when things are changing around you if you're not paying attention.
Speaker BSo that's one of the purposes of why we're doing episodes like this.
Speaker BSo everybody, thanks for listening to the Close it now podcast.
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