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Now, again, I'm, I'm solo tonight as far as so far I changed how I was going to do an open Q and A. I've been collecting questions and then I listened to a podcast which is now a YouTube video.

And or well, it was, it was both.

I'll put it in in the comments of the podcast when that goes out.

I'll try to remember to put it in the into the show notes for the or the YouTube link.

I should say after the fact, but I just dropped it in the chat.

For those who are watching live to cross politics video they have called how the SBC got played.

And so we want to talk about that today.

And so just give a quick shout out to those who are watching Brother John up in Canada.

A so he is an evangelist up there and so we're glad that he's here.

We got to get John, you got to come in one of these times.

I think you have Bible study like right after so you pop in for a little bit.

But we got to get, get you on talk about some of your evangelism and so that would be good.

I'm not sure Andrew is saying YouTube strikes again.

Andrew from Australia.

So I'm not sure what what happened that he said it strikes again.

You'll have to, you know, clue me in there.

But, but what I do want to do is deal with this topic of the sbc.

Now I want to encourage you guys, I'm going to play some clips from the documentary that they did over across politic.

I was, you know, it's not very often you go onto X formerly Twitter, so the X Twitter and be able to sit there and say wow, there's some encouragement on social media.

But that happened today as I watched this documentary and there were things that went on with this whole issue with the SBC that we'll cover that never added up to me.

And so this documentary, short documentary, it's only, let's see, it's like 40 minutes long, I think.

Yeah, 40, 42 minutes long.

And let me just turn that a little brighter so we have better light in here.

But what in 42 minutes they, they covered so much.

Now I, I'm gonna say that I have not gone and done the checking to check all their, the resources they had check their, you know, the claims.

I, I'm in the process.

I, I talked to one of the guys earlier and so I got some, some background, but I want to get more details before I just go, okay, this is 100%.

But there are a lot of things that they said, well that I had noticed as well.

So I, I did ask permission of those guys to play some clips of the show.

I have, I got a clip that was sent to me quite late.

That is, I, I, I was told I could share it, but it's not out on, it's not out, I guess maybe publicly and I didn't get a chance to watch it.

So maybe a later time I'll get to play that one.

So I want to give a little bit of a background though on the whole issue with the spc.

What it is that was going on and, and kind of how we got where we are, right?

So when we look at the fb, sbc, it's Southern Baptist Convention.

If those who are unaware you had the, the Southern Baptist Convention was started to go left.

That's not unusual.

In fact, every single denomination ends up going leftist.

Over time they start going more and more liberal.

And I remember a, I was asking one of my seminary professors why that was back when I was in seminary, you know, back in Noah's day.

And it was very interesting what he said.

He said men who want to be political go into denominational positions.

Those that want to be pastors that don't want politics, they serve in the church.

Now I was non denominational, so is my seminary.

But it was interesting what he was saying because it is the, a thing where those who really care about being shepherds, they want to serve in a church.

I'll give you a great example.

A guy who could be if the, you know, he would be on the speaking circuit if he wanted to be.

I, I personally think the best preacher at least alive or that I have heard.

My favorite preacher, the best I've, I've really ever heard is Jim Osmond.

Jim Osmond is an outstanding preacher and pastor.

And if you.

If you want on the Christian podcast community, go Christian podcastcommunity.org you can listen to his services there.

There are the Kootenai Community Church that the.

The podcast and you can listen to the Sunday services and listen to his great preaching.

But he could be, he could be on the circuit preaching all over the place because he's great.

But he is in the very same church he got saved in and he has never.

It's the only church he's ever been a member of.

He went off to Bible college, came back to the same church, is now preaching there, and he has no interest in going anywhere but there.

Why?

Because he's got a shepherd's heart.

But then you get those people who just love the fame.

Al Muller.

Oh, did I say that name out loud?

Sorry.

You could go back to my Rap Report podcast.

If you go to the rap report.org and, and do a, do a search for Al Muller, you'll see.

And if you search for.

I think it's Al Muller, you can sound like you can have your cake and eat it, too.

I did two parts onto that because what I addressed with Al Mohler was the fact that he, he speaks out of both sides of his mouth because he's a politician.

He, Andrew from Down under is saying Mr. Woke Mueller.

Yeah, that, that will get there.

Andrew.

You're not far off.

So what I, what I had issue with was this was back, if you remember, when Al Mohler and, you know, Mark Dever, Lincoln Duncan were at a Q A at the Shepherd's Conference and the issue of social justice came up and Al Mohler was greatly offended that people did not, you know, stand up and, and say that he was fighting against social justice, but he wouldn't sign the statement on social justice in the Gospel that, you know, a lot of us had had formulated and written up.

And, you know, I'm saying that because I was one of the early, not just the other early adopters.

I was.

If you look at the statement of social justice in the Gospel, you will see that I'm one of the ones who is the early 75 that had gotten together.

We wrote a letter and signed our name to, to John MacArthur to ask him to put his weight behind the statement we were writing and then 19 of them together and really finalized a bunch of it, nailed stuff down and then sent it out to the rest of us for review.

And there's been thousands of people who have signed that document on social justice and the gospel because we see a danger to the gospel from the social justice movement.

And that's not new for here.

Anyone that's been here for any length of time knows that because we've talked about that a lot on, on the show.

And so I say that to say that Al Mueller wouldn't sign it along with Lincoln Duncan, along with Mark Dever.

And there was a Q and A and Al Mueller, just for background, in case.

It's been a long time, some, you may not remember all that, but you know, Lincoln Duncan, Mark Dever, they were in the Green Room.

Phil Johnson comes in and he told them these are some of the questions he's going to ask them.

They, they had a heads up.

Al Muller was not there.

So Al Muller was caught off gu.

Right.

And, and so I think that's why there was so much of the Al Mueller versus Phil Johnson.

I have not watched the recent panel discussion where there was, I guess none of that.

But the, the thing is, is that what.

When, when I was there, I remembered Al Muller did a podcast that, you know, on his, on his podcast where he ended up arguing about a politician from Canada who would not take a stand on homosexuality.

And he was saying, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

The guy claimed to be a Catholic, not a Christian Catholic.

So he was a Catholic Canadian politician.

And he was trying to hem and haul around the issue of homosexuality.

And Almo did a whole episode, or a whole segment, I should say, on this politician saying that he can't have his cake and eat it too.

He can't claim to be Catholic.

Well, I think if I remember correctly, Al Mohler said you can't claim to be Christian and, and have.

I'm trying to look right now to see if I have any of those clips that I could play right here.

But he claimed you, you couldn't be Catholic.

At least I, I think he might have said Christian.

But you can't do that and claim to, to be or not have a clear answer on the issue of homosexuality.

And so I felt that was disingenuous.

He said, I'll play his, his own clip here.

He said this trying to have your cake and eat it too is thus a metaphor for trying to have it both ways.

It is impossible.

So he says it is impossible.

He was saying that you have to, well, play his own.

Must be ready to give a direct and honest answer when we are asked a question about sin.

That might come, indeed, it will come with a considerable political cost.

But failing to answer the question comes with an even deeper cost to both theology and doctrine.

And to personal, personal ethics.

So he says there, that it, there will be a question and you must answer.

You have to be ready to answer a direct question.

And so I challenged it because at the time there was, well, a Southern Baptist named Beth Moore.

She is a, was at that time Southern Baptist and spoke for Southern Baptists.

And she had, you know, she wouldn't take a stand on homosexuality.

In fact, in her book that was on Kindle, there was one book, only one book that she ever mentioned homosexuality and she called it a sin and she removed it.

And there was a public letter asking her to answer whether what her position is on homosexuality.

Many women had joined together and signed to say, hey, Beth Moore, give us your answer.

And she refused.

So I asked the question to publicly to Al Muller, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

What is.

This is not some politician from Canada.

This is a United States speaker in Christianity, not Roman Catholicism, Christianity on homosexuality.

So the same topic, homosexuality.

So if a politician from Canada who claims to be Catholic, so he's not even saved, probably if he has to answer for it, shouldn't Beth Moore.

Oh, no, because she's Southern Baptist.

So he, he refused to address the issue.

And then when he went off and talked about the fact where he was saying that at the Shepherd's Conference that he claimed, you know, he was fighting for, you know, this stuff for so long and ever.

Anyone can see it.

But the thing is, is that he wasn't really addressing the, the issue of the Southern Baptists and what they were doing with social justice.

Okay.

So this is not new for me to address these issues.

Maybe some, some of these on this show and not my rap report.

But, but what you did have is you had a denomination, the Southern Baptist Convention, that started going liberal.

As it started going liberal, there were many that got together and brought about what was referred to as the conservative resurgence.

Now this was historic.

There's not been to my knowledge, any denomination that started going liberal that came back to a conservative position.

And so this is something that was different.

This was something that was what they were trying to do.

And I, I remember I had a conversation.

It's not like I know Mark Dever personally.

I had a conversation with him when he was at my seminary, at the, at our conference, the seminaries conference.

And I, I got to, to spend a little bit of time with him.

And in that situation, I, I think I got to find out what his thinking was when these guys did the conservative resurgence.

And he told me, he said we had a 20 year plan.

We knew it was not going to be easy.

They started in the late 70s, and it took till the 1990s for this to come about.

You had men like Adrian Rogers, Paige Patterson, C. A. Chriswell, who fought for biblical inerrancy, fought for conservatism.

They fought for a resurgence that ended up succeeding.

And the thing is, is that though it succeeded, men like Al Mueller, Mark Dever, Lincoln Duncan, others who fought for conservatism ended up bringing on or really ignoring the liberalism that came in.

In fact, I would argue they helped promote it because they did the very things that caused it to go liberal the first time.

They were more concerned with preserving the institution than they were concerned about preserving the truth.

And as it became more about the institution, then the truth falls by the wayside.

You can see this in many different areas.

Okay, you, you see it in big ministries.

You could see it in politics.

You see, people look right now, as of the, this recording, right now, you have most of the America.

American people are in favor of the Save America act, which is to ask for voter ID, proof of citizenship, to, to vote.

80% of Americans support this.

And the Democrats in lockstep, are voting no on it.

Why is it really that they're against it?

And I, I know that everyone's saying it's because they want to cheat.

Well, that may be, but I think there's another aspect to it as well.

People get institutionally minded.

It's tribalism.

And what you see happen over and over and over again is people will ignore truth because this is our party, this is our tribe, this is our camp, whatever language you want to use.

But people start to fight not for truth, but for their group, in this case, sbc.

You, you see this.

You know, if you work in.

I'm just going to say if you work in, in certain areas, companies, where they're gonna, they're gonna ignore facts and, and truth of where they're gonna get in trouble.

And, you know, for the sake of the company.

I've seen this in, in federal agencies where they're going to, they have to protect the agency in those.

If, if we were to say that we made a mistake, people are going to go, oh, that's it.

You can't trust the agency.

And, and so you have stuff like this.

And so this is what I think happened with the SBC.

These men who fought for the Conservative resurgence in the 70s to 90s ended up focusing more on the institution than the truth.

And in that, things slept in.

Let me play now.

I'm, I'M going to admit up front that I'm going to be playing clips from that, the documentary that these guys did.

I'm not, not going to play all of it.

The problem is that the only way I could play this was where I didn't, I didn't have a whole lot of clips to it.

So let me put this in and I'm going to play it here.

Feel like this is my deposition or something.

So it's July 23, 2019.

I'm working for Founders Ministry in and we released our first trailer for the documentary.

By withstanding in that trailer, there's one image that appears just a bit over a second.

Now, you guys may not remember this.

I, I remember this, but this was a thing where there was a lot of blowback from this and I stopped it at this point because I want you to see.

You can't even see who this is.

And I, I know that there are people who were working on the documentary or supporting the documentary that didn't recognize who this was and didn't have an issue until it was known who it was.

I'm going to let these guys share who, who it is and the issue.

And I want to, I'm going to play a little bit of a clip because I want you to.

I want them to be able to explain the five points of how to undermine an organization and how they do it.

Because this is what's going on in America and England and all over the world.

In the western world right now, it's always taking down conservatism, but here we go.

Let me keep playing twice.

It's blurred and it's of a woman who's sitting on a panel.

Nine days later, three board members resigned.

Not over a scandal.

It was because they did not want to be associated with questioning that woman.

That woman, her name was Ray.

Rachel Denhollander, attorney abuse survivor, the face of MeToo evangelicalism.

Four years later, court documents would prove the trailer was right.

Massive conflicts of interest.

A compromise investigation, over a million dollars

to recline and 13 million drained from the largest conservative Protestant denomination in America.

Now, I'm gonna stop here just to say I want you to notice this because a lot of this is about money.

You're gonna see that if you watch the whole trail.

I'm not gonna play the whole trailer.

I was tempted to, I was tempted to just like play this here so you guys all see it.

But I do, I do want you guys to go and check out the, the full episode that they did.

But they lay out a A really good case that this is about money.

This is where a lot of this was.

And it was also, I think, about a little bit of fame maybe for Holland, you know, Rachel, Dan Hollander, because, well, she did get famous from this.

But this is, they, they open with this because this is where there was so much backlash when they came out with that documentary.

You know, Tom Ascold came out with the documentary, oh, I just lost the name of it, too.

And he just, and, and he just mentioned it.

By what standard?

So when they came out with that, and I encourage you to go check out that documentary because it was trying to address these issues.

This is back when, if you think about if, if you guys know, there was that the, the Southern Baptists got together and they had a resolution that they tried to slip in where so no one would vote against it.

They, they grouped it together with a whole bunch of that, oh, it's because it's late on time.

Let's just group this together.

Resolution number nine.

Resolution nine.

And this is in the 19, sorry, the 2019 SBC annual convention.

And, and Tom Ascol and others were saying, no, no, no, let's vote this one at a time.

And so they did.

And people voted in, you know, social justice as, as a tool.

And that is where a lot of people started to realize what was happening in the sbc.

Now, there were plenty beforehand that were seeing it and warning about it, and they were being silenced.

And so this slow resurgence of liberalism was making its way into the Southern Baptist well through social justice and, and cross politic.

The guys across politic did a good job of explaining this.

And, and I'm saying this because, look, folks here know I, I've not been shy about this.

I don't agree theologically with the guys from Crosspolitik.

We have a lot of different views.

But I do know at least two of the three guys.

I've met all three, but I have, I know two of them well.

And though we disagree, this is something that I completely agree with them on.

And so one of the things is we got to get out of this tribalism where if you don't agree with me, I can't accept anything you do.

No, we, we look for the best in people.

That's what we do.

And so I see what they're doing here, and I'm, I'm really appreciative of the way they lay this out.

So let's, let me continue because I really want you guys to see how they, they lay out these five points.

But by then, it was too late.

Most people think that the abuse crisis in the SBC was straightforward.

There was just predators in pulpits, a denomination that looked the other way, and survivors who just finally got justice.

But that's not the story.

That's the story you've heard, but that's not what happen.

In 1996, an economist named Gary north wrote a book called Crossfinders how the Liberals Captured the Presbyterian Church.

He documented a five phase playbook over how you take over a denomination from the inside.

Not with theology, but with procedure.

Phase one, you exploit the moral vulnerability that the other side can't defend.

Redefine who the real threat is.

Phase three, force and procedural change your opponents can't survive.

Four, fill the empty seats.

Phase five, inherit everything.

And the Southern Baptist Convention, they followed the script almost step by step, and we're going to show you how they did it.

Okay, so what they're going to do at this point is they're going to walk through the step by step of what ended up happening with those five points.

Now, I'm not going to play all of that, but I do, I, I do want to try and get to a couple of things here that I thought was very interesting, and I, I want to get highlights is what I'm looking for.

And so I may end up playing a little bit more than I would want to and may not jump in at a great point because it's really hard to get this little tiny marker down there to get just right.

But I, I want to try.

And so the issue that I see here is you, you'll end up seeing they're going to lay out the case that there was this, you know, a, a liberalism that was seeping in.

And you saw this.

Look, we've done.

If you go back on Apologetics live here, we, we had, we talked about, with Pastor Casey Butner and, and Justin Peters about First Baptist Church of Orlando.

And they're, they're practicing, they've, they're practicing homosexuals doing baptisms and deacons and whatnot.

And so that's a Southern Baptist that we talked about, the, the North America Missions Board and how their involvement and what they were doing.

And there, there seems to be.

I, I haven't been able to.

I've heard this from Val, from good sources, but I don't know.

I, I haven't seen the actual documentation.

So I'm saying that to say this could be right, this could be wrong, but my understanding is that, that, you know, namb, which, as I said, was the North America Missions Board was the donors or big donor between $100 million of the he gets me campaign or he gets us campaign.

He gets us campaign.

Is that big, you know, liberal, where you.

They're trying to show a woke Jesus.

If they're the ones behind that, I, I've always said, look, go, go get Megan Basham's book.

And I've, I interviewed her for her book on the Rapper War podcast.

You can go search that.

But Shepherds for sale.

And, and she shows how the Southern Baptist Church has been, you know, just how it has been on this path and how it's been getting money from liberal funding.

Follow the money.

Right?

Liberal funding that was getting them to push for a lot of this stuff.

And so, you know, now we.

Today, we, we see them.

They're.

They're.

You know, you had that.

What was in some time ago in 2023, 2024, you had Rick Warren and the whole issue of Saddleback.

And women pastors, they were trying.

They're trying to push it.

And though they couldn't get it to be.

Be super clear what ended up happening, they ended up at least getting it where it was that they're saying, okay, they're.

They're not gonna say it's right or wrong.

And then you see a whole bunch of churches they're not kicking out when they have women pastors, even though they're trying to say it's wrong, but they're not actually enforcing it.

And so this is what we end up seeing.

So I want to play.

Let me play this next clip is needed.

Crisis can be found.

While we were there, there was a new abuse victim.

Okay, let me, Let me set this up because I started a little bit.

I wanted to get it 45 seconds earlier.

So this is just before they.

They were voting.

I think it was Ed Lytton.

It was Ed Lytton versus Stone.

And I forget Stone's first name, but this is what happened the night before.

So Stone was the conservative.

Had he won, there would have been a conservative to take the reins of the Southern Baptist.

And the liberals couldn't allow that.

And so what happened?

Remember me too movement.

Everyone has to believe the woman.

You can't.

Woman would never lie.

Oh, right, yeah.

Like that.

We don't see that in history where women would pursue men to take advantage of them and, and then use it against them.

But that's, that's where they're catching up.

So this is now the night before the vote where, where Stone was looking like I think his name was Sam Stone.

But, you know, Stone was looking to be the guy to be.

He had the lead, and then this story comes out.

So let's play this.

Supposedly, we don't know because all police reports say that nothing was ever done to her.

All the police reports, all the investments.

I. I do have to back this up because it.

This is going to be too hard for.

Let me just back it up a bit.

Here we go.

Your own.

Buy one of your own, including members of your executive home.

There's.

Leading into the 2021 convention, conservatives backed Mike Stone for president.

But when crisis is needed, crisis can be found.

While we were there, there was a new abuse victim.

Supposedly, we don't know, because all the police reports say that nothing was ever done to her.

All the police reports, all the investigations find nothing.

But Hannah, Kate Williams, they trot her out.

I would like to see leaders taking the recommendations of outside experts not as attacks on their beliefs, but as tools to protect those in their care.

Okay, I want to stop it right there, but I got to put myself back on screen.

Did you hear the language she used?

She wants them to look at outsiders, people who are not in the sbc, not in the church, as experts.

And what did she say?

As tools.

Right.

Huh?

What's that language?

That's the exact language of Resolution 9, of Social justice being a tool, something that could be used for this stuff.

This is the very language of the.

The left, the very language of those who are pushing for this liberalism.

So when you hear that, and.

And I'm just gonna say, you got to go watch the full documentary because.

Or the full episode.

It's only 42 minutes.

The reality is what they end up exposing is that, yeah, she ended up discrediting some of her own claims, but along with many of the women that they had as experts.

And so this is a thing that you end up seeing is here.

What did they end up doing?

They end up trying to get to a point where their.

Their whole argument is.

Is undermined by leftism.

All right?

And so I want to play this next thing, because I think the biggest issue there was the most.

One of the most damning ones was this.

This guidepost report that came out.

And I'm hoping that I got this at the right point.

Completely transferred power to their own fact period of those two years, and that's what it was all about.

Okay, let me back up a little bit more from this, because I got to try to get this to where they were explaining the history.

So here we go.

He added, time has Run out.

That's not a pastor offering counsel.

That's the most powerful man in the SBC telling the executive committee, surrender or be remembered as the people who protected abuse.

Every seminary president.

Okay, so what he was talking about there is the fact of what.

What they tried to do was say they basically asked every.

Everyone to support what they were doing.

And the argument was, if you didn't support this going after people where they.

They basically asked everyone to give up client, attorney, attorney client privilege.

Therefore, in discovery, anything that you say to your attorney could be used.

So what do you think the opposition is going to say?

They're going to subpoena your own attorney to use every conversation you had with your attorney against you giving you no counsel?

Because anything you say in discussing with the attorney, guess what?

They can go and they can get.

Get it in discovery, which means they know exactly what you're going to argue in court.

Why?

Because it's discoverable now and it's part of the case.

That's why any.

The attorneys were like, yeah, we're resigning.

We're not doing this.

Smart men.

Because they understood what it meant.

Some 40 men were like, no, yeah, let's just go with this.

And so what they ended up doing is they use the argument.

They come up with this manufactured thing of abuse against young girls.

Who in their right mind is going to say, no, we should be for sexual abuse of young ladies.

No pastor is going to do that.

So they came up with a.

A narrative that everyone would go with.

Now, let me give the comparison.

Politically, what is.

What do we see in our culture?

People arguing for transgenders.

And how do they argue?

Do they argue that, well, this is just a mental illness that we should accept?

No, they don't argue based off of truth.

They say, oh, you're claiming that these people don't exist.

You're dehumanizing them.

So you support dehuman, dehumanizing people.

You're a Nazi.

Is that not the language of the left?

Is that not the language that they use?

Same thing here.

They argued that if you didn't support what the SBC leaders were saying, well, then you're supporting the abusers.

Georgia.

Georgia here says, wow, very, very deceitful.

That's right.

That is exactly what you see here.

It's.

It is.

That's the whole thing that they're.

They're exposing is the deceit.

Because.

Sounds like you're coming from a position of a moral authority.

You're fighting for something that everyone would say is just and right, but Meanwhile, it's all a lie.

Now you say, Andrew, come on.

It can't really be all a lie.

Hmm.

Hold that thought.

Followed Albert Mueller's lead, every denominational lead, they piled on as well.

And the executive committee members, those 86 people were still responsible for the SBC's finances, properties, legal protections.

They were all being told by their leadership that defending fiduciary duty was the same as defending abuse.

So they had a fiduciary responsibility to the sbc.

And yet if they basically just gave away lots of money to lawsuits, that's the right thing to do, because otherwise you're supporting abuse.

Now, could you have a, be a good, have a good fiduciary responsibility and do what's right financially for the SVC and at the same time do what's right morally?

Yeah, but that's assuming, you know, even if you assume that there was the 700 plus people that were abused in the, in the supposed claim, you'll see why I say supposed.

But it becomes a thing of, well, you can still stand up for that and not say, well, let's just, let's just give everything over, right?

Because they end up giving a million dollars to this girl that Rachel and Den Hollander was, was representing as an attorney.

And this is one of the things they'll bring out, too.

She was representing as a, and as an attorney, a client who's suing the sbc while she is rep. She's working with the SBC on how to handle.

She was a spokesman for how to handle sexual abuse cases.

Does that help her client?

Yes, it helps her client.

When she's going to get more money, she's going to have a better outcome when Rachel's not only suing the sbc, but counseling the SBC on how to handle things.

And, and then she ends up being the one that this guidepost report that all comes out, turns out, guess who is behind that?

The same Rachel, Den Hollander.

Oh, so she's representing a client who's suing the company that the, the, the sbc, that she's also counseling on how to handle the, the abuses.

And she's the one working with the guidepost to that Everyone sees and says, oh, this is really bad.

Because when that guidepost report came out, that's when everyone said, this is really bad.

It's worse than we thought.

So much so I don't know if you guys even remember this, but I, I kind of at the time on the show here, I, I called it irony or poetic justice.

I forget which.

How I explained it back then, but the fact that here's the SBC going woke and they'.

Fight, you know, we're.

We want to show we could be woke.

And what happened.

They put the Guidepost report out and let it out there to make it look like they're covering up 700 plus women who had been abused.

And the Biden administration got involved, and all of a sudden it's like, whoa, oh, wait, wait, wait.

And I was, I thought that was very.

The irony of that, that they're trying to show they could be so woke.

And the, The He's.

Hey, Biden doesn't.

The Biden administration, whoever is really running things, they did not want to have any.

They wanted every opportunity to attack Christianity.

And here's a Southern Baptist serving it up on a platter going, hey, look at us.

You could take our head off.

We're bad guys.

Look, we've done all these bad things.

And so they went after and did an investigation.

Anyone remember what happened with the results of that investigation?

Oh, right.

It went nowhere.

You know why?

Because there was nothing there.

It was all in the Guidepost report.

But as this, as the cross politics guys go over and discuss, the reality is there was no there there.

They end up arguing for the fact that this.

You have this report.

And in court documents that come out later, what do we find out?

It was Rachel, then Hollander who was influencing the report while she had, you know, gone.

Client.

I had a client that was suing the sbc.

While working with the SBC on how to handle abusers, she got some name recognition, she got some money, her clients got some money.

Me.

What about all the innocent people whose names were mentioned in Guideposts?

I'm going to name some of them.

And you look at their lives being destroyed, their ministries being destroyed, also that what, one woman can get her name out there?

Oh, now I'm supporting an abuser, am I?

Because I'm against Rachel Den Hollander.

No, I'm not supporting abuse at all.

In fact, I'm against abuse.

All abuse, including that of this woman, Rachel Den Hollander, who decided that she was going to be one, to be the spokesman for all these women, even if they were making it up.

Hmm.

If a woman makes up a story about a man claiming that she was sexually abused when she wasn't, when she had a consensual relationship, not saying it's the right thing, it's a sin on both parties, but when she does it and then lies about it, that's abuse.

I'm Just saying.

So let's listen to a little bit more.

Wanted us to waive attorney client privilege because we have nothing to hide.

Well, but that's not why you have such a thing as attorney client privilege.

Attorney client privilege is a fiduciary duty, and it is a legal ethical requirement necessary to allow clients to be able to speak honestly with their legal representation.

If you don't have that, then every single discussion is discoverable.

They can't talk to their lawyer meaningfully.

And it's just absurd.

It's so absurd that at the same time, the Biden Justice Department instructed U.S. attorneys that they may not ever ask anybody they're prosecuting to waive attorney client privilege.

That's how unethical this was.

Fiduciary duty isn't a technicality, it's a covenant bond.

This applies to attorney client privilege, doctor patient privilege, husband wife privilege.

Remove that protection and the people who need it most.

Loser.

Everything but notice the frame.

Anyone who defends fiduciary duties are protecting the abuser.

The institution's own legal safeguards became evidence of guilt.

Defending procedure becomes proof you have something to hide.

Now, I, I'm, I want you to think of that through what Gabe just said there, because that's very important how they operate.

And you see this exactly in politics.

Maybe you see this in your workplace.

If you're going to stand up against some of this liberalism where maybe you're in your workplace and you're being asked, hey, you need to take this course on Critical Race Theory, or ctr, which is what, what that truthfully stands for is, you know, C. Crt Sorry, ctr.

CT crt.

Now, they call it Critical Race Theory, but really what it is, is cultural racism training.

And so they are training people to be racists.

And you may have at your job site where you have that, and you got to take these classes and show that you understand how if you're a white man, you're just so privileged and you don't, you don't have rights.

Rights.

You, you, you've been oppressing everybody.

Even if your boss is a, a black woman, or better yet, black lesbian woman, and she's your boss, you're still oppressing her.

Because that is the model that they have.

Why do they do that?

Because if you say, hey, wait a minute, I'm not oppressing anybody, they go, oh, you got something to hide?

You must have something in your background.

That's how they use it.

And they used it in the sbc.

And Gabe was just sharing that.

I want to try and get a couple minutes ahead, but because I, it's hard for me to scroll to the exact spot, I'm just going to play a little bit longer of a clip.

That's a lose lose situation.

This is the actual genius of phase two.

You don't have to prove anyone is guilty of anything.

You just have have to make defending the institution look like defending abuse.

And once that frame is locked in, the real damages begin

phase three.

And this is what I wanted to get.

Procedural surrender.

The pressure is enormous.

A thousand pastors, six seminary presidents, every survivor advocate in the country, all saying the same thing.

Wave the privilege or your complicit.

On October 5, 2021, the executive committee voted.

44 in favor, 31 against.

17 members resigned in protest.

6 were attorneys or financial professionals.

They understood exactly what was happening.

Maybe the most stunning resignation of all.

Jim Gunther, age 87.

He had been judged general counsel for the SBC executive committee since 1966.

55 years, had never lost a case.

In his resignation letter he said this.

We simply do not know how to advise a client when the client indicated a willingness to forego this universally accepted principle of confidentiality.

55 years, unblemished record, and an 87 year old man walked away because he would not participate in what he Knew was wrong.

24 people are gone.

They're all opponents of the leftists.

JD Greer, Russell Moore, Rachel Denhollander, Grant Gaines, you know, the rest of them, and above all probably Jared Wellman on the executive committee.

And because they were all gone, it's an 86 member committee.

So JD Greer was able to fill all those seats with people, people to his liking, and they carried out their coup.

They, they completely transferred power to their own faction over the period of those two years.

And that's what it was all about.

The 44 men who voted yes were like the three men that resigned from Founders.

They feared the backlash more than the breach itself.

They thought that waving the privilege would prove that they were the good guys.

Now I want to, I want to point this out and.

Okay, so African sheep is asking, is anyone else getting an echo?

So if you guys are getting an echo, please let me know in the, in the chat because I shouldn't be getting an echo through the way that I'm playing it.

I'll be concerned.

Oh, major echo.

All right, that could be bad.

Sorry about that.

I thought that by playing it through streamyard or, or through the, the stream, that it wouldn't have that because it's in there.

I thought I'd be more likely to have it.

I was trying to account for the fact that we used to get the echo when I played it in the browser.

So sorry about that.

I, I hope it's still something you guys could pick up.

What's, what is being said.

But, you know, so let me just.

They had no idea what they had just.

Period of those two years, and that's what it was all about.

The 44 men who voted yes were like the three men that resigned from Founders.

They feared the backlash more than the breach itself.

They thought that waiving the privilege would prove that they were the good guys.

They had no idea what they had just made possible.

Now I'm saying, so listen, what he's saying said these people thought, just like the sbc, like I said with the Biden, they're waving the, the flag saying, hey, look, we're, we agree with you on privilege.

We, we're totally with you.

Yeah, it's, you know, you have all this and what ends up happening, what becomes the issue?

What do you end up seeing?

They end up sitting there and going, okay, you're, you're claiming all this and we're going to now go after you.

So, so think about this.

Is this any different?

We, we've been talking about on the show the last couple weeks now about Islam.

What do they do?

They come in, oh, we just are a religion.

You're, you're, is Islamophobic.

You're against us.

You don't, you don't like our religion.

You should be nice.

And then when you, what happens when these people end up going, oh, okay, no, no, no, we're not against Islam.

We're not against Islam.

Do they back off?

No, no, no.

I mean, I think the, the picture of the Muslim who is jumping over the protester who's arguing that let illegals into the country because New York should be open for all.

As the guy is throwing a bomb over the guy, this is what you end up seeing.

This is not something unique to the strategies of the SBC leftists.

This is the way leftists work all through history.

These are the ploys of Satan, always with the means of deception.

So what do you have?

You, you have these people who will make it where if you were daring to say anything against what the leftists are doing, then you are supporting the abuse.

And then when you cower in fear.

My bride and I were talking over dinner, how it is that all these Western countries that are just giving into Islam?

Because I, I, I haven't verified the report, but I saw something online that said that Japan voted to not allow mosques and prayer prayers on the streets and things like that.

And so as you end up seeing that, that, you know, you have a country that stands up for their own culture, and we're discussing why is it the west is like, giving into it?

Fear.

Terrorism works.

And terrorism isn't only in dropping bombs.

What Rachel Den Hollander did and what these leftists in the Southern Baptist did was called terrorism.

Why?

Because they attacked people personally until they were so afraid to go up against them.

So they just backed away.

And eventually they try to give in.

And what happens when you give in?

They end up just going, okay, now, now that you've given a little, we're taking the whole thing.

This is what happened with the Southern Baptist Convention.

This is what you ended up seeing.

And, and that's, that's the issue that you end up having.

Because there's an echo.

I didn't realize there'd be an echo.

I really thought this would.

By putting it into the stream, it would not have the echo.

And I didn't want to play it off of YouTube because then I could get commercials or ads and things.

So let me just cover a couple things that I wanted.

I'll encourage you guys to go to Crosspoltik on YouTube.

And, and this particular video is called how the SBC Got Played.

And that's what happened.

They got played.

I want to cover a couple things.

I already addressed the fact that Rachel Ben Hollander was the attorney.

There was one thing.

When this, this, this report came out from Guidepost.

Okay.

And this came out, according to crosspolitik, this came out in the court documents, and that was that, well, Cross.

The Guidepost didn't have a legal right to do this report.

They had to be.

There were certain legal things of being private detectives or, you know, of the, you know, officers of law to be able to do an investigation like this.

And they're not.

Not.

And so they took this report from Rachel Dunn Hollanders for basically what they admitted to in court was that they did not do an investigation.

So this big report, a 288 page, you know, report with devastating findings, and we find out that all they did was go to women that said they were abused and took their word for it.

It think about that.

They were there saying, oh, you say you're abused, you say this person abused you.

Did they go to the sources?

No, they didn't go to any of the firsthand sources.

There's one that I thought, interesting when this came out the, the.

I think it was probably the biggest name was Johnny Hunt.

He's a pastor or was a pastor down in, in Georgia.

I forget exactly where I was at.

I've been at his church and when, when this came out I found it very interesting because there were things that I remember reading that report and said there's real problems.

I mean here you have an adult woman.

So let me give you the background.

If you don't know it, the claim, some, some has been substantiated.

Some I'm going to say is not.

But the claim was that for many years Johnny Hunt was having an affair with.

I forget one either was one of the other elders or deacons wives.

They would go, you know, they went to a, you know, to a retreat place once and he came in her room and, and the claim is that he would forced himself upon her.

Her.

But she, someone who was in her 20s, 30s, didn't think it was abuse for 10 years until she was sitting and talking to her counselor.

She never said it was anything other than consensual.

You would think that an adult woman knows what abuse is.

You would think that an adult woman, you might say it's different if you have a 5 year old or even a 12 year old, maybe even a 15 year old, but someone in their 20s and 30s, I think she would know what abuse is and I think that she would be trying to avoid spending time with the abuser, not making time for the abuser.

When you, when you look at some of the cases and you start looking into it and you see that they're saying, oh, you know, this person abused me.

The case that, that Rachel Den Hollander defended, I think her name was Jennifer, I forget her last name.

But the one that Rachel then Hollander got a million dollars from the SBC for, turns out that she ended up having messages where she couldn't be without the guy she was missing the guy that doesn't sound like someone that was being abused.

So what you end up seeing in this whole thing is that this was a long term gain game to get back the SBC from the conservative resurgence.

And it happened right under the nose of those who were fighting for the conservative resurgence.

And what did they do?

They forced out some of those people that, like Paige Patterson, he was forced out under abuse charges.

I don't know if those are true.

Why?

Because it was never actually proven.

They, they made the case.

One of the things that Jenner that, that Hollander did was the, when people would go and address this, she attacked the person as supporting abusers.

I actually had this happen to me when I was at a conference and there was a pastor speaking, and the pastor, this woman contacted me telling me that I shouldn't go, I gotta go, not go to this conference because this pastor is an abuser.

I never met this guy before.

I knew nothing about him.

All right, I need to dig into this.

I. I end up hearing his side of the story.

But see, the woman who's.

Who, this lady saying she's a friend of the woman who's involved isn't going to meet with me and the pastor.

Well, that's what you do.

You hear both sides of an argument.

And so what you end up finding out is she's going around just saying that this.

That her husband's an abuser, because what.

She didn't.

He didn't agree with her.

She just.

She was making a claim.

There wasn't the support for it.

And then if the pastor, because the pastor didn't take her side, he was accused of being an abuser.

And then, because I wouldn't call him, the pastor, an abuser, I was an abuser.

You see how this gets played?

If you don't agree with the leftist view, you're the abuser.

And what that's supposed to do is to get you to cower and to fear and to back down and say, okay, okay, okay, anything you want.

Just don't call me that.

This is what the liberals have been doing to conservatives for years in this country.

They use the word racist.

You disagree with Barack Obama, you're racist.

No, I disagree with Barack Obama.

Has nothing to do with the color of his skin.

But you see, they throw that word around and get you to cower so that you are in fear.

And people give into it, hoping that, well, if I give in, they're not.

They're going to stop their attack on me.

No, no, no, no.

When they smell blood in the water, they attack more.

They go for it.

They go for broke because you've just signaled that you can be toppled.

And that's what they did to the sbc.

You.

This case with Johnny Hunt, it didn't make sense.

The, the, you know, 10 years later, she.

She.

Oh, now, I think it was abuse.

It was consensual all those years before, but now I think it's abuse.

You don't do that.

And so you end up seeing that the way they.

They would cover up their.

Their attacking of people's reputations and character, the way they did that.

Well, the way they covered it up was Very simple was to say that if you don't support them, you yourself are an abuser.

It's to use fear to get you to tremble, to get you to bow down until well, step five, as they said on cross politic, they get to everything, right?

Whether it be America, they want everything.

And it's kind of interesting because what you see going on in the Western world is you see the Marxists that are using the same game plan, but they're not the only, only ones using the same game plan.

You see, the Muslims are using the same game plan on them.

Yes, that's right.

Everyone, like everyone that's part of the devil uses the same game plan.

So while the, the, the Marxists want to use the game plan against conservatives and against Christianity, Muslims are okay with letting them take the, the front line on that, that, but they're more than willing to wipe out the conservatives and Christianity as well.

But you see what they're doing is letting the Marxists do it and then they're going to come in and do the same thing to the Marxists.

They're already prepping.

The Marxists have already given in.

They've already caved to the Muslims.

They're already sitting there saying, okay, and what do you have, you have people, you have Muslims in the streets right now that, to stop traffic and pray in New York because Madani is going to allow it.

You, you can't have a church in New York have bell, you know, their, their church bells playing, but you can have them, you know, sitting there and doing prayers for five times a day before the, before sunrise.

This is what's happening right under people's noses.

It's, there's those of us who, those who are, who have been here for a long time.

You have been hearing me give a cry about this for years.

And, and this is not something that's going to be new to anybody here.

A long time listener of this audience.

I, I've said for, for a long time when we started this show and it was Matt Slick and I, I remember we had someone come in and he was a professing atheist and he wanted to talk about Islam and, and how we're so bad, but Muslims aren't, weren't.

And I ended up asking the guy when you, when you both sides agree because he was saying that Muslims and, and atheists agree that Christianity is bad.

I said when, when Christianity is removed from society and it's now you versus the Muslims, who's going to win?

Because the Muslims will die for what they believe.

In because they believe in an afterlife.

Will you die for your beliefs on atheism?

And he said no.

Okay then.

Right, this is the thing.

And Jesse is saying here and let's see, let me put this up.

He says Marxists and Islam are bed buddies.

There they are to a point, Jesse.

See, they are only to what the Muslims are end is because the Muslims are using the Marxists as the Marxists undermine Christians.

They both have the same target ending Christianity as a, as a force in culture.

Because for them, for either of them to dominate, they have to do the same thing that you see documented by cross politic what they did in there in that episode with the sbc.

They have to undermine them by making them feel like if you are against us somehow you are morally lower.

You're doing something that's in just.

And that's how they get people to cower.

Why is it that the left is so frustrated with a Donald Trump?

It's very simple.

You can call him racist all day long.

He doesn't care because he knows he's not.

That's the thing.

How do you defeat these people?

Ignore them.

Really.

That's what it comes down to.

Listen, you know, I started the apologize live way back when.

What was it, 2018.

We started this Matt Slick and I and, and I've always credited Matt with some of the best advice I got in ministry when I was, when I was started striving fraternity for those who might be shocked, but I'm a dispensationalist and I was kind of the poster boy back then for a lot of the theonomists and they would attack dispensationalism.

And, and, and I actually some of my.

I talked to privately and said, you know, dispensationals don't believe what you're saying.

And one guy was like, yeah, but it gets the clicks.

I'm like, that's deceitful, brother.

You can't do it for attention.

You.

You got to speak truth.

And so I remember I was so I was, I mean, just people who I thought were friends that would, you know, knowingly just say things that.

To discredit at things I'm saying, knowing that what they're saying is not true.

But it got the tribe around them.

It got the tribe to click on their stuff.

I so frustrated.

I remember talking to Matt Slick once and I asked him like, you know, he, he had told me, he says, listen, let me explain how ministry works.

He says, what you end up seeing is that you get someone who is going Gets into ministry, they find somebody who is bigger than them, and they go and attack them, that ministry.

And when.

And they try to get their supporters and their followers to come in and be part of them, and then they move on to another ministry and do the same thing.

And I'm like, that can't be the way ministry works.

But he was right.

That is what you see a lot of people doing online.

They're.

They're platform builders.

And I'll encourage you to go and read my article that I have after out on truscript.

Truscript.org just do a search for my name.

Do a search for.

It's, you know, true ministry versus, or I think they called it ministry versus platform building.

But there's a big difference between doing ministry and platform building.

And what a lot of people are doing is platform building.

They're trying to get a name for themselves, they're trying to get attention for themselves, but they're not doing ministry.

That's no different than what you had with the sbc.

A bunch of platform builders that were not concerned about truth.

They wanted the attention, the fame, the money, the prestige for themselves.

That doesn't change.

And so we have to recognize that now.

What's the advice Matt gave me?

Because I was.

I couldn't believe when, when I realized Matt was right.

I mean, it's so rare that that guy's right.

But no, when Matt was right, I said, matt, how do you deal with this?

And he gave me great advice.

And this is what you see Trump doing.

Matt said, you just keep producing good content and ignore them.

So when people sit there and turn to Trump and say he's a racist, he ignores them and keeps going.

When I've had people who slander me, some of you know, it's now public that Josh Bice was going after me, slandering me with things.

Remove me from the cessationist film.

Film.

You didn't hear me say anything about that back then.

Why?

And you didn't hear it from me first, either.

That came out from others who knew what happened when Josh, When.

When Josh's situation occurred.

Some others pointed it out.

But you see, you didn't hear it from me.

You.

You heard me as, as you know, Greg Moore from Deadweah Walking said he was amazed because he knew what Josh had done to me.

And yet what was I doing saying, guys, we got to pray for his family.

We got to pray for him and his family.

I mean, he only knew how to do.

He was only trained to do one thing.

I don't know what he's doing for work now, but yes, what he did was wrong, but that doesn't take away our right to pray for a brother in Christ.

And if, if someone say, well, he's not a brother in Christ Christ, then you should pray even more.

You should be evangelizing, right?

It doesn't stop because the guy disagrees with us or harms us or hurts us or says things.

No, we still have the Christian responsibility to do the right thing.

And so, but this is what you end up seeing.

This is what Matt told taught me to do.

You ignore that nonsense because if you give into it, guess what?

And in early years, I gave into a lot of that.

I was trying to defend myself against false claims dreams.

And I found out they never go away when you do that.

They just, they, that feeds the, the, that's putting chum in the water for the sharks.

It just feeds them.

And those people get revved up because, oh, we got something.

And they do it.

They go even more.

This is what was happening in the sbc.

And the more that people caved and said, okay, we'll give away our, our rights to, to client, attorney client privilege, we'll give up this and we'll give up that and we'll give up this.

Then they, okay, hey, you've gave everything up.

Now we can attack you.

Who walks away?

Well, Russell Moore walks away and now he, now he's a general editor of Christianity Today.

Destroying that magazine.

I mean, it was already on a bad trajectory, but he just said, no, let's take it all the way down the hill, you know, and, and so this is what you end up happening.

Having.

Can the SBC recover?

I don't know.

I think it's going to be hard because so many of the conservatives have left.

They, they gave up on it.

There was a time when Mike Stone, and that was his first name, I couldn't remember earlier, but Mike Stone, he, he, he could have brought about that, could have changed it.

But you see, the undermining was there and that's what they did.

And, and that's what they always do.

That's how they operate.

And so this is something that I, you know, I wanted to play a lot more of the, the clips, and so I'm going to end up a bit early, but I was going to play a lot more of the clips, but with the echo.

I'm sorry about that.

And so let me just take a quick look at comments, see if there's any comments that I missed.

Let's See.

Yeah.

Andrew here says Trump was compared to Hitler.

That still makes me laugh.

It is because, you know, they just, they make that claim.

How often did you hear Trump is a Nazi, Elon Musk is a Nazi.

You know, but see, the reason these guys get to be so good at what they do is because they don't, they don't sit there and, and deal with that.

They just keep moving forward.

And so let me see, I'm seeing some references to people, the things I didn't pick up.

Oh, I like this one.

Andrew from down under says, wait, Matt was right.

Lol.

Yes.

A broken clock.

Andrew is right twice a day.

So Matt might have been right.

Doesn't mean he's right on everything, especially, you know, his Presbyterianism, his belief that the gifts continued.

Yeah, a whole bunch of things.

Yeah.

So I'm just trying to see if there's any other comments from you guys, any questions that came up.

Oh, here's a question.

I didn't, I'll read it live with you guys.

Because I didn't.

I just wonder after, after all.

Sorry, let me try again.

I just wonder after all that, how many just left the church?

Yeah, that's a good question.

I don't know, but I know a lot of churches left the sbc and so that's the thing that you, you end up seeing is I don't think they have the, the, the numbers to do anything.

So let me let you guys know some places where I will be in case you want to join us.

Now I, I played the clips from Cross Politic.

One of the guys is Gabe Ranch.

Gabe is having a Business Makers conference April.

Let's see, it's April 7th to the 9th.

That's going to be in Dallas, Texas.

And so if you just do a search, I forget the website.

I think it's business makers.org but just do a search on on Business Makers Conference Dallas and I'm sure you'll be able to find that conference.

I, I will be there if you are in the Tri State area In New Jersey, Pennsylvania, New York, in Levittown, Pennsylvania on Friday, April 17 and Saturday, April 18, we're going to be having an evangelism training with Hearts for the Lost at my church.

So I'm really excited about this.

Hearts for Lost is a great ministry where they will co to they go to churches free of charge to train them on sharing the gospel.

Now they've honored me with allowing me to do a couple of the sessions so we're going to do it together.

So I'LL do one session Friday night, one session Saturday.

They'll do the rest and then we go evangelize afterwards.

So that is you could find details at Oxford Valley Chapel.org that's Oxford ValleyChapel.org and it is there with Hearts for the Lost calls.

They're compelled to conference also.

I'll let you know, I'm looking forward to this is the Truth Conference.

I've been mentioning it here, but I'm a board member at the truth fellowship.org and you have the in there.

It's thetruthfellowship.org but the truth fellowship is we have a conference every year in May.

And so May 1st to the 3rd in Tampa, Florida, we will be having our second annual conference.

This is a conference that the, the whole the Truth Fellowship is standing up against things like what happened in the sbc.

The SBC is not alone.

The, the guys that really started it that, that were the, the moving force behind the Truth Fellowship was the fact that they were the free church, the easy Free church, the Evangelical Free Church.

And so what ended up happening was they ran into it when, when Evangelical free started going against, started going social justice and they stood up to it.

So yeah, it's that it's in many of the denominations and so many of us from different denominations are standing up to say no, we're going to stand for truth.

And that's what the Truth Fellowship is about.

Go.

You can go.

Truthfellowship.org Lastly, I just want to there's a couple other events, but I want to start promoting it early is Open Air Theologies Conference that they have in Tullahoma, Tennessee.

Jeffrey Rice I've been there, I think for every one of the conferences they've done done.

I think this is like year four or five, something like that that they've been doing it.

The theme this year is is going to be abiding in Christ.

And so looking at the text from John 15, so each of the speakers, several of the guys you're going to see more coming out about that.

But tickets will be out.

Just do a, if you do a search I'll have, I'll have the details as we get closer.

But I'm sure you could search for Open Air Theology Conference.

I'm sure you'll find it.

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So I'm gonna let me just check I see what we got coming up next week.

So next week we're probably next week we're probably gonna do from the looks of this, the open Q and A that I had planned before I saw this episode from Crosspolitik.

So we'll probably do an open Q and A unless something else comes up.

And then what we'll look to do on April 2nd second is we're going to have some guys from the, from the exchange there.

The podcast is the Gospel Exchange but it's a way of sharing the gospel.

If you listen to my Rap Report podcast, which you should.

But they, they I had an episode there with one of the guys and, and so he's going to come on.

So if you go back to the Rap Report go listen to the, the one I did with the Gospel Exchange so that you can get your question questions ready for that.

And please come in on April 2nd and ask us questions.

There will be no show on on the 9th of April because as I said earlier I will be.

Well at that, at that point I'll probably be in the air on a flight headed home.

So but, but I'll be at the Business Makers Conference there and then on the 16th again another one that I did on the right Rap Report and bringing over is April 16th we're going to have Adam Parker from Bold Apologia podcast.

He has been doing a series on his podcast on Bill Johnson and so go back and and listen to the episode I did with Adam Parker on Bill Johnson on the Rap Report and that will be some Something, you know, you make want to listen and get a lot of questions.

Now I have to, I see a comment that just came in and I do really appreciate this because, well, it's a super chat.

We haven't been getting a lot of those, but Georgia gave $10.

So thank you very, very much for that.

And she said, appreciate all you do.

Thank you.

I, I don't mention it a lot on the show, but you can do a couple different things to support us.

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I hope this was helpful.

I hope you learned a lot.

I hope that this was something you, you gained out.

I hope that you will go and, you know, listen to Cross politic.

I know some of you just go, no, I can't stand those guys.

I disagree with those guys.

I have beefs with, with their theology, with whatever.

Okay, that aside, Broken clocks Rice twice a day, right?

Go and see what they had and do what I'm going to do.

Go dig into the evidence.

There's some of the things I already know know.

Reading the account with Johnny Hunt, that never sat well with me.

The fact that these cases, like, you know, Rachel Denhollander made the argument that there, that you can't question her, her client, because this is, this was a criminal.

There was criminal.

You know, there's criminal, like criminally investigated when there was no investigation by police, none.

Like that's the thing, they just make claims that are false.

And this is what you see people do, they just say, oh, this happened.

How do you know?

We said so.

Trust us.

Look, you trust us because the police investigated and found there was guilt.

Where's the police report?

You, you can't see that.

You can't know that we got, we got special knowledge.

I mean, you're seeing this right now with Candace Owen, Tucker Carlson.

They claim a special knowledge.

Where's their.

They keep saying they got receipts, but they have data points.

There's a difference between data points and evidence.

Okay, just making a claim or just putting things together.

Hey, this happened and this happened.

You know, there was a bank robbery and Andrew was at the bank that day.

Day.

Yeah.

That doesn't mean I robbed the bank.

I happen to be at the bank that day and there was a bank robbery.

Right.

That wouldn't ju those.

Just because two events happen doesn't mean it's evidence that I robbed the bank.

And I didn't rob a bank for the record, but.

And I wasn't in a bank where that was robbed for the record, but you see how there's a difference between evidence and data.

Okay.

And so, so Georgia says yes, this, this was very or this was helpful.

So thank you for that.

Let's see.

Oop, accidentally hit that one.

So just looking to see.

All right, I don't see any other comments.

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My co hosts have all gotten busy.

So Georgia says.

Last comment, she says, thank you.

Have a good night.

God bless.

And I say the same.

And so with that, may I remind you to strive to make today an eternal day for the glory of God.

And we'll see you next time.