1 00:00:00,030 --> 00:00:03,240 Tommy: My point is always, you know, let's focus on things that we have in 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:08,880 common because in general, this is, this is very unfortunate part of a 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:15,240 discourse these days, that people seems to be focusing on this little thing that 4 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,280 we disagree and let's fight over the. 5 00:00:18,075 --> 00:00:20,175 But there's like all these things that we agree on. 6 00:00:21,285 --> 00:00:24,345 Danny: This week, I'm talking to Tommy, Serafinski, host of Tommy's 7 00:00:24,345 --> 00:00:28,725 Outdoors, a show that talks about biodiversity, conservation, hunting 8 00:00:28,815 --> 00:00:30,975 and fishinh, rewilding, and much more. 9 00:00:31,035 --> 00:00:33,075 And they're all interconnected topics, which we'll definitely 10 00:00:33,075 --> 00:00:34,815 get into on the episodes. 11 00:00:35,025 --> 00:00:36,855 So Tommy, welcome to the show. 12 00:00:36,908 --> 00:00:40,158 How about you tell the listeners about yourself and your podcast. 13 00:00:40,748 --> 00:00:41,458 Tommy: Hey, Danny. 14 00:00:41,483 --> 00:00:42,593 And Hey everybody. 15 00:00:42,656 --> 00:00:45,229 Thanks for opportunity to be on your podcast. 16 00:00:45,649 --> 00:00:45,979 Yeah. 17 00:00:45,979 --> 00:00:51,064 So like you said Tommy cell doors we are focusing on human wildlife interactions, 18 00:00:51,064 --> 00:00:55,414 human wildlife, conflict, conservation, hunting, and fishing rewilding. 19 00:00:55,469 --> 00:01:00,707 You know, our relation with nature, I will human relationship with nature. 20 00:01:00,769 --> 00:01:01,219 That's. 21 00:01:02,374 --> 00:01:06,322 You know, it was like a long-winded maybe not long, but there was a you 22 00:01:06,322 --> 00:01:10,170 know, we, we arrived at this of this format of the show and that the subject 23 00:01:10,170 --> 00:01:15,840 of a show from, you know, the original idea, which was dedicated to everything 24 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,075 outdoors, but it was like, you know, a little bit of experimenting involved 25 00:01:19,075 --> 00:01:23,494 into how the show going to look like and what it's going to evolve into. 26 00:01:23,544 --> 00:01:26,694 You know, like, like, like we spoke a little bit earlier in one of the. 27 00:01:26,747 --> 00:01:28,367 Guests on one of the podcasts. 28 00:01:28,547 --> 00:01:30,947 You said that, you know, this, this podcast is like 29 00:01:30,947 --> 00:01:33,047 my complicated hobby, right? 30 00:01:33,257 --> 00:01:34,787 Because I have a, my day job. 31 00:01:36,197 --> 00:01:40,727 So I didn't come up with a, you know, like a business plan or anything, 32 00:01:40,727 --> 00:01:42,137 and this is going to be a show. 33 00:01:42,137 --> 00:01:47,597 And like this, this, this, it was, it was a kind of organic born out of my, 34 00:01:47,597 --> 00:01:49,242 you know, like a labor of love, really. 35 00:01:49,278 --> 00:01:54,751 I was doing what I, what I liked and I'm sure we can get into more details 36 00:01:54,751 --> 00:01:56,231 of the story, how it came to be. 37 00:01:56,274 --> 00:01:59,784 But yeah, long story short, this is a podcast about the 38 00:01:59,784 --> 00:02:00,624 human wildlife interface. 39 00:02:01,674 --> 00:02:08,609 And I think that the how I see the, the, the, the unique part of the show is that 40 00:02:09,239 --> 00:02:16,413 I talk with sort of two sides of the story always because you know, something 41 00:02:16,413 --> 00:02:19,953 I didn't know, and something I actually learned more about when I was doing a 42 00:02:19,963 --> 00:02:24,813 podcast was that around conservation and, and, you know, environmental. 43 00:02:25,968 --> 00:02:30,768 There is incredible amount of conflict and, you know, opposing views, which 44 00:02:30,768 --> 00:02:35,418 I, as I wasn't aware of that, you know, I came kind of naive to that. 45 00:02:35,418 --> 00:02:37,848 It's like, oh, conservation, we want to protect nature in 46 00:02:37,848 --> 00:02:39,318 animals who wouldn't want that. 47 00:02:39,708 --> 00:02:42,048 Right there just everybody's on the same page. 48 00:02:42,048 --> 00:02:42,228 Right. 49 00:02:42,318 --> 00:02:47,448 And not necessarily it's and the complexity of the subjects and, 50 00:02:47,448 --> 00:02:51,678 and all the, you know, little points and little points of view. 51 00:02:52,188 --> 00:02:54,678 And actually, you know, when you listen to people, everybody's right. 52 00:02:55,563 --> 00:03:00,429 So I think that the big thing for me is that I talked both with 53 00:03:00,459 --> 00:03:04,149 hunters and anglers and I talk with environmentalist and I talk with people 54 00:03:04,149 --> 00:03:06,129 if you are in, you know, in NGOs. 55 00:03:06,129 --> 00:03:11,929 And I talk with you know, for example, lady who works in seal rescue sanctuary. 56 00:03:11,959 --> 00:03:17,809 And then I talk with a trawler man who, you know, so one lady focuses her. 57 00:03:18,754 --> 00:03:24,094 Work and time on helping seals and rehabilitating seals and so on. 58 00:03:24,094 --> 00:03:27,754 And then on the next episode, I have a trawler man who goes like, oh shoot. 59 00:03:28,954 --> 00:03:29,164 Right. 60 00:03:29,974 --> 00:03:34,984 And, and, and yeah, you know, I always say that it's just huge advantage for me, 61 00:03:34,984 --> 00:03:39,544 that people will have different points of view listening to my podcasts, because 62 00:03:39,634 --> 00:03:43,474 I say like, if even, you know, after all these, you know, a hundred, however 63 00:03:43,474 --> 00:03:49,279 many episodes right now, even one person says, wow, I never thought about that. 64 00:03:49,429 --> 00:03:49,699 Right. 65 00:03:49,699 --> 00:03:50,779 That's my job done. 66 00:03:50,899 --> 00:03:54,357 That's that's a success that, that the present different points of view. 67 00:03:54,867 --> 00:03:58,707 So I, I think this is definitely the direction that I, that I'm 68 00:03:58,707 --> 00:03:59,945 taking to the show which is. 69 00:04:00,785 --> 00:04:04,715 Not easy on occasions because you have people, you know, I sometimes 70 00:04:04,715 --> 00:04:07,595 feel like with every episode, there's like a half of my audience gets upset 71 00:04:07,595 --> 00:04:13,235 with me, you know, but this is, my idea is like the weekend only make 72 00:04:13,235 --> 00:04:18,065 progress by talking to each other and presenting each other points of view. 73 00:04:18,785 --> 00:04:22,025 And you know, if you did disagree with something, that's okay. 74 00:04:22,085 --> 00:04:26,465 I often disagree with my guests on stuff, but it's not my job to 75 00:04:26,825 --> 00:04:27,965 challenge them or convince them. 76 00:04:28,745 --> 00:04:31,595 But sort of give a platform to present their point of view. 77 00:04:31,595 --> 00:04:33,565 And then I have somebody else present different point of. 78 00:04:34,475 --> 00:04:35,855 And we can have these conversations. 79 00:04:35,855 --> 00:04:39,935 So that's that's, I think like the big thing for me with my, and 80 00:04:39,945 --> 00:04:42,855 Danny: you'd mentioned that you've got a a hundred plus episodes 81 00:04:43,215 --> 00:04:47,655 actually premiered back in 2016 on my birthday month from October, 2016. 82 00:04:48,255 --> 00:04:51,007 What were your goals for at that time with cause it's very different 83 00:04:51,007 --> 00:04:52,247 from your day job, obviously. 84 00:04:52,247 --> 00:04:54,833 That's what we're speaking about in the green room before the episode, but 85 00:04:54,833 --> 00:04:57,863 what were your goals for, and how's that evolved since that first step? 86 00:04:59,683 --> 00:05:00,283 Tommy: Yeah. 87 00:05:00,354 --> 00:05:05,694 I can maybe back out even, even even further before I had a podcast, right. 88 00:05:05,694 --> 00:05:07,224 It's a podcast they're stories. 89 00:05:07,224 --> 00:05:10,674 So reading my stories, like I started with a blog and, you 90 00:05:10,674 --> 00:05:14,460 know, as an, as an outdoorsman I was originally an angler, right. 91 00:05:14,490 --> 00:05:15,600 Angling was my thing. 92 00:05:15,630 --> 00:05:19,086 Or like you know, recreational fishing rather than like. 93 00:05:20,251 --> 00:05:25,471 And that was, you know, these were times before Facebooks and all those things. 94 00:05:25,531 --> 00:05:29,731 And there was a time where people have these bulit in boards, this messaging 95 00:05:29,731 --> 00:05:33,841 forums, and we have it like an angling forum in Poland back in the days. 96 00:05:33,841 --> 00:05:36,361 And we were posting photos and all that stuff. 97 00:05:37,261 --> 00:05:41,761 And it was like a photo manager called Picasa, which was sadly killed by. 98 00:05:43,136 --> 00:05:47,746 I still think that this, this was the best photo manager ever, ever, 99 00:05:47,816 --> 00:05:52,486 like me even Lightroom not comes close because it was so lightweight. 100 00:05:52,846 --> 00:05:56,386 And because I had this button on the bottom says blog list. 101 00:05:56,796 --> 00:05:59,446 I didn't even know what is like, what, what is this, what it is? 102 00:05:59,626 --> 00:06:00,616 I don't know where the blog is. 103 00:06:00,616 --> 00:06:00,766 Right. 104 00:06:00,766 --> 00:06:03,016 So I clicked it and it's like, oh, it's set up on your site. 105 00:06:03,046 --> 00:06:04,066 I was like, oh, cool. 106 00:06:04,816 --> 00:06:06,376 So that's how I started my blog. 107 00:06:06,496 --> 00:06:11,506 And I started blogging, you know, The always idea was that I wasn't blogging 108 00:06:11,506 --> 00:06:14,986 like on the regular intervals or anything, but it was like, if something interesting 109 00:06:14,986 --> 00:06:18,616 happened, I was writing a blog, post posting photos and you know, it was cool. 110 00:06:19,336 --> 00:06:23,459 So I was doing that for more than over 10 years. 111 00:06:23,487 --> 00:06:25,917 And in the meantime, I, I moved to Ireland. 112 00:06:25,969 --> 00:06:29,289 You know, I, it was like whole new fishing opportunities here, 113 00:06:29,289 --> 00:06:30,609 you know, fishing in the ocean. 114 00:06:30,609 --> 00:06:31,999 And then, you know, I get the little. 115 00:06:32,039 --> 00:06:33,449 Disposable income, I guess. 116 00:06:33,449 --> 00:06:36,869 So I know went to Africa and there was doing some expensive fishing 117 00:06:36,869 --> 00:06:40,319 trips and that was also fun and that was putting up posts and all that. 118 00:06:40,380 --> 00:06:45,240 But because I never want to, you know, I'm like, oh, I went fishing and I caught 119 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,270 three baths and then like, oh, I was fishing and I would call it one bass. 120 00:06:48,300 --> 00:06:52,080 Like I there's always has to be something new, some different angles on it. 121 00:06:52,620 --> 00:06:55,380 So naturally after 10 plus years, it, it kind of died. 122 00:06:56,385 --> 00:06:58,725 It was, you know, so I stopped posting. 123 00:06:58,725 --> 00:07:01,340 It was like nothing, nothing new and interesting on it. 124 00:07:01,391 --> 00:07:03,251 But I enjoyed this, this thing. 125 00:07:03,311 --> 00:07:05,501 I, I enjoy interactions with people. 126 00:07:05,501 --> 00:07:08,081 I enjoy sharing my experiences in the outdoors. 127 00:07:08,801 --> 00:07:13,091 And so, you know, I thought like, well, first of all, it would be cool to 128 00:07:13,091 --> 00:07:15,333 have to do it in the English language. 129 00:07:15,340 --> 00:07:18,820 Just to reach the wider audience and maybe being, you know, 130 00:07:18,820 --> 00:07:22,330 more, more local and also. 131 00:07:23,425 --> 00:07:26,335 Because, you know, English is obviously not my first language 132 00:07:26,695 --> 00:07:28,705 speaking is easier than writing. 133 00:07:29,245 --> 00:07:30,955 So podcasts was a natural choice. 134 00:07:30,955 --> 00:07:31,825 I got let's do it. 135 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:34,390 So that's how it started. 136 00:07:34,420 --> 00:07:38,770 And the actually little known fact is that they had a podcast in Polish 137 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,730 language, which just started only just to learn stuff, just to figure out 138 00:07:42,730 --> 00:07:44,860 how that this podcasting thing works. 139 00:07:44,890 --> 00:07:48,160 Because I, you know, I knew as much about podcasting, as I knew about 140 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:49,960 blogging back then clicking that button. 141 00:07:50,830 --> 00:07:56,080 So I, I probably recorded like a 20 episodes of a podcast in Polish language. 142 00:07:56,820 --> 00:08:01,980 Kind of like in parlor later on, maybe when I was on episode 10 or 15, 143 00:08:01,980 --> 00:08:06,767 I started this podcast, Tommy cell doors, where it was initially you know, 144 00:08:06,767 --> 00:08:11,927 again, irregular episodes and probably since episode six or seven, I kind of 145 00:08:11,927 --> 00:08:14,297 committed to schedule every two weeks. 146 00:08:15,107 --> 00:08:17,057 And man, it's like four years now. 147 00:08:18,857 --> 00:08:20,087 I haven't missed the one. 148 00:08:20,087 --> 00:08:22,411 So that's a, that's a little achiever. 149 00:08:23,411 --> 00:08:26,579 So, yeah, that's that's, that was the start of of that whole endeavor. 150 00:08:27,089 --> 00:08:29,249 Danny: And that's something that takes a lot of, well, you know, yourself, it 151 00:08:29,249 --> 00:08:31,619 takes a lot of commitment to keep going. 152 00:08:31,639 --> 00:08:34,838 You know, obviously you moved from the blog cause I was getting less 153 00:08:34,838 --> 00:08:36,398 enjoyable if you like to the podcast. 154 00:08:36,398 --> 00:08:40,208 So, you know, I know how long it, how much effort goes into that. 155 00:08:40,208 --> 00:08:42,188 So kudos, not like five years, four or five years on it. 156 00:08:42,188 --> 00:08:42,788 It's amazing. 157 00:08:43,418 --> 00:08:46,478 And you mentioned obviously one of the things that I enjoyed about your show, 158 00:08:46,478 --> 00:08:47,738 and I'm glad you mentioned it earlier. 159 00:08:49,073 --> 00:08:52,223 Your role isn't to offer a definitive. 160 00:08:53,318 --> 00:08:57,218 Your role as the host and your guests to bring them on is to educate and let people 161 00:08:57,398 --> 00:09:01,118 and let the listeners make their own minds up based on your guests and what the 162 00:09:01,118 --> 00:09:04,958 bra and an absolute, I, I really enjoyed one of the episodes I really enjoyed was 163 00:09:04,958 --> 00:09:08,924 your most recent one fallen off where with mark, I think mark Boyden who was 164 00:09:08,924 --> 00:09:13,267 speaking about, you know conservation and, and going back to your conversation 165 00:09:13,327 --> 00:09:16,267 about, you know, the different viewpoints where everybody's actually right, 166 00:09:16,267 --> 00:09:20,137 when it comes to conversation, and you mentioned that he changed your with. 167 00:09:20,977 --> 00:09:21,847 Which is kinda cool. 168 00:09:21,847 --> 00:09:25,477 And so, so what's, what would you say has been the biggest example of 169 00:09:25,477 --> 00:09:29,227 someone changing your mind or making you think of that a different way from 170 00:09:29,527 --> 00:09:31,537 how you had been prior to an episode 171 00:09:31,537 --> 00:09:32,137 Tommy: being recorded? 172 00:09:32,947 --> 00:09:34,762 Oh, it's a, it's an interesting question. 173 00:09:34,826 --> 00:09:39,056 You know, it's, so I put you this way. 174 00:09:39,176 --> 00:09:43,376 I, I learned something in every episode and especially that. 175 00:09:44,396 --> 00:09:48,313 You know I I'm, I'm not the ecologist, I'm not the, you know, I don't 176 00:09:48,313 --> 00:09:52,541 have a formal education in, in you know, wildlife or conservation or 177 00:09:52,541 --> 00:09:54,161 environment, anything like that. 178 00:09:54,161 --> 00:09:55,421 I'm a computer guy, right? 179 00:09:55,571 --> 00:09:57,671 Like simplistically speaking. 180 00:09:58,271 --> 00:10:02,171 So I learn so much that. 181 00:10:03,191 --> 00:10:07,121 You know, and you notice this, you record the episode and you present 182 00:10:07,421 --> 00:10:09,851 while you're recording an episode, but you're not present because you 183 00:10:09,851 --> 00:10:12,731 also a sound engineer and you're looking at all the different things. 184 00:10:12,731 --> 00:10:13,031 Right. 185 00:10:13,511 --> 00:10:16,211 And then you editing the episode and you, and you're listening to the 186 00:10:16,211 --> 00:10:20,471 second time and you pick up on the new things that you haven't heard before. 187 00:10:20,471 --> 00:10:24,341 And then, you know, you're listening for the third time or fourth time, 188 00:10:24,341 --> 00:10:26,561 once it's published as like, oh, I T. 189 00:10:28,796 --> 00:10:33,746 You know, quite often, it's not even a matter of changing my mind as if we're 190 00:10:33,746 --> 00:10:35,966 like, whoa, I never knew about that. 191 00:10:36,176 --> 00:10:36,566 You know? 192 00:10:37,016 --> 00:10:42,146 And you know, in, in Kings of mark, it was interesting because 193 00:10:42,926 --> 00:10:44,816 he kind of changed the way. 194 00:10:45,656 --> 00:10:49,196 How I plan the, the episode, because, you know, like in this 195 00:10:49,196 --> 00:10:53,216 case, you know, fish farms and Saman farming is like a known bad guy. 196 00:10:53,846 --> 00:10:57,917 So I was expecting him going, digging, you know, like all guns blazing. 197 00:10:57,917 --> 00:11:00,340 And, and he shut it down completely. 198 00:11:00,340 --> 00:11:03,070 It's like, well, we, you know, this is not our business. 199 00:11:03,070 --> 00:11:05,870 We have no official opinion on it. 200 00:11:06,050 --> 00:11:07,700 We'd focusing on something else. 201 00:11:07,700 --> 00:11:07,910 Right. 202 00:11:07,910 --> 00:11:11,570 And it was surprising initially, but then it was like, yeah, that's actually. 203 00:11:12,470 --> 00:11:18,440 You know, refreshing because like, if everybody, you know, has like goals, all 204 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:22,190 guns blazing, then there is no other way. 205 00:11:22,820 --> 00:11:26,720 And he actually, you know, he said like, yeah, I'm well aware of many 206 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:33,260 things, but we, we purposefully taking this way and the same wasn't with a 207 00:11:33,290 --> 00:11:38,210 episode with sea rescue on other ones, there's two, one suicide Tewari wants 208 00:11:38,210 --> 00:11:40,100 to see a rescue island where the lady. 209 00:11:41,165 --> 00:11:45,245 Very, this is what we do, and this is what we're going to talk about. 210 00:11:45,725 --> 00:11:50,855 And not there is in many other subjects, but we are focusing on this and I always 211 00:11:50,855 --> 00:11:53,525 appreciate this, you know, clear mission. 212 00:11:53,555 --> 00:11:57,965 This is what we do, and we not getting bogged down by, you know, various other. 213 00:11:59,310 --> 00:12:02,160 I probably didn't answer your question, but anyway, 214 00:12:02,460 --> 00:12:04,580 Danny: no, no, no, I it's. 215 00:12:04,700 --> 00:12:09,214 It's interesting because to your point it's not black and white, you know, I 216 00:12:09,214 --> 00:12:13,828 always, I grew up thinking that, you know any kind of, not any kind of hunter, not 217 00:12:13,828 --> 00:12:18,182 strong, but and it kind of controls you like was, was bad, but then you'd realize, 218 00:12:18,182 --> 00:12:22,652 well, if I sell and a past is lit. 219 00:12:23,797 --> 00:12:26,887 Uncontrolled that can cause other ecological damage. 220 00:12:26,887 --> 00:12:30,187 And so you, you start to learn as you get older and you start to educate 221 00:12:30,187 --> 00:12:32,797 yourself more than listen to people like yourself and your guests you'll 222 00:12:32,797 --> 00:12:34,357 learn more, which I see your point. 223 00:12:34,357 --> 00:12:36,727 I think it's, it's important that we keep our minds open. 224 00:12:37,387 --> 00:12:39,877 Not just what our third belief is. 225 00:12:39,877 --> 00:12:42,007 Cause that's not, not always the right one. 226 00:12:42,727 --> 00:12:43,207 Tommy: Exactly. 227 00:12:43,537 --> 00:12:44,137 Exactly. 228 00:12:44,487 --> 00:12:47,137 This is so new and so complex. 229 00:12:47,137 --> 00:12:51,307 So, you know, anyone who says like, yeah, this is this way. 230 00:12:51,307 --> 00:12:51,877 It's like, whoa. 231 00:12:54,312 --> 00:12:54,462 Danny: Yeah. 232 00:12:54,712 --> 00:12:57,652 And I know that that's something that I want to speak about because obviously 233 00:12:57,652 --> 00:13:01,852 one of the topics you cover is hunting and this can often result in a negative 234 00:13:01,852 --> 00:13:05,632 connotation from animal lovers or animal rights groups, et cetera. 235 00:13:06,592 --> 00:13:08,542 Is that difficult or do you find it a difficult topic? 236 00:13:08,542 --> 00:13:11,662 Cause you mentioned that you're back in Poland, you were fishing and hunting. 237 00:13:12,352 --> 00:13:15,022 Do you find that sometimes a difficult topic to try and educate 238 00:13:15,022 --> 00:13:16,672 on or what what's your feeling? 239 00:13:17,977 --> 00:13:22,189 Tommy: Look, there was quite a few episodes both already published in, in, 240 00:13:22,189 --> 00:13:24,339 in the pipeline taking on that subject. 241 00:13:24,434 --> 00:13:26,894 And it, again, it's, it's very complex. 242 00:13:26,975 --> 00:13:35,105 My, my, my main thing is like, we cannot try to educate people forcefully. 243 00:13:36,515 --> 00:13:42,305 So if someone has already predetermined point of view and is not open. 244 00:13:43,265 --> 00:13:46,215 To revising their view right there. 245 00:13:46,215 --> 00:13:47,495 They're not going to change their view. 246 00:13:47,645 --> 00:13:47,855 Right? 247 00:13:47,855 --> 00:13:51,837 So this is like an old military thing that you'd not attacking 248 00:13:51,837 --> 00:13:56,307 45 45 positions because that's where they are expecting attack. 249 00:13:56,337 --> 00:13:56,607 Right. 250 00:13:56,607 --> 00:14:02,517 So if, if, if you dealing with animal lover or, you know, ethical V. 251 00:14:03,687 --> 00:14:07,587 You know, there is no point going like hunting is actually very good and hunting 252 00:14:07,587 --> 00:14:09,887 is conservation and go educate yourself. 253 00:14:10,027 --> 00:14:13,227 This is absolutely not the way to go. 254 00:14:13,707 --> 00:14:18,717 So my point is always, you know, let's focus on things that we have in common 255 00:14:19,767 --> 00:14:25,107 because in general, this is, this is very unfortunate part of a discourse 256 00:14:25,467 --> 00:14:30,447 these days, that people seems to be focusing on this little thing that we 257 00:14:30,447 --> 00:14:32,397 disagree and let's fight over that. 258 00:14:33,162 --> 00:14:35,292 But there's like all these things that we agree on. 259 00:14:36,132 --> 00:14:41,886 So, you know this is where I'm trying to focus on what are the common 260 00:14:41,886 --> 00:14:43,836 parts where we can agree on some. 261 00:14:43,836 --> 00:14:45,306 We can, we can agree on something. 262 00:14:45,816 --> 00:14:49,536 And if it, if then happens that, you know, I had the many 263 00:14:49,656 --> 00:14:51,456 scientists where a hunters, right. 264 00:14:51,486 --> 00:14:52,446 Or who are anglers. 265 00:14:52,476 --> 00:14:52,566 Okay. 266 00:14:53,476 --> 00:14:56,076 Th th the subject was completely not about that. 267 00:14:56,076 --> 00:14:58,176 And they say, oh, you know, by the way, I'm also an angler. 268 00:14:58,176 --> 00:14:59,376 I was like, oh, I didn't know. 269 00:14:59,586 --> 00:14:59,826 Right. 270 00:15:00,456 --> 00:15:06,006 And I can share a review in with the, with the listeners, a story from my, from 271 00:15:06,006 --> 00:15:09,156 my own podcast where it was one of the first episodes of the podcast, but that 272 00:15:09,156 --> 00:15:11,556 was recording with it with a lovely lady. 273 00:15:11,556 --> 00:15:15,992 And we were talking about she was in her late fifties, early sixties, I think. 274 00:15:16,442 --> 00:15:18,872 And we, we talked about. 275 00:15:18,948 --> 00:15:22,878 You know, connection with nature and how you, you know, growing your own 276 00:15:22,878 --> 00:15:26,478 vegetables and how great it is for your mental health and all that stuff. 277 00:15:26,508 --> 00:15:26,718 Right. 278 00:15:27,228 --> 00:15:29,478 And I didn't know any better. 279 00:15:29,478 --> 00:15:30,708 And I said like, yeah, exactly. 280 00:15:30,708 --> 00:15:31,818 It's the same with the hunters. 281 00:15:31,818 --> 00:15:36,138 They have this connection with their food and they can, and I can see like 282 00:15:36,138 --> 00:15:43,813 she stiffens up and she goes like, Again, hunting and like, and she's 283 00:15:44,163 --> 00:15:48,303 kind of rattles off these, these things that she clearly heard somewhere. 284 00:15:48,333 --> 00:15:48,573 Right. 285 00:15:48,583 --> 00:15:51,963 I go hunting with dogs and like, clearly she doesn't know 286 00:15:51,993 --> 00:15:53,643 anything about hunting with dogs. 287 00:15:53,673 --> 00:15:53,913 Right. 288 00:15:53,913 --> 00:15:57,693 But she knows that she is against that because they write some, okay. 289 00:15:57,933 --> 00:16:01,053 You know, we, we didn't even, we move on to the next subject that. 290 00:16:01,613 --> 00:16:02,663 Talking about the other things. 291 00:16:02,663 --> 00:16:06,203 And we finished the podcast and I did, when we finished, I actually said, 292 00:16:06,233 --> 00:16:08,063 oh yeah, Tommy, great conversation. 293 00:16:08,063 --> 00:16:09,053 You're in my tribe. 294 00:16:09,083 --> 00:16:11,513 We understand each other, but that's it. 295 00:16:11,603 --> 00:16:12,683 We move on right. 296 00:16:13,163 --> 00:16:14,213 Next time. 297 00:16:14,603 --> 00:16:19,193 Next time, the subject of hunting comes up, that lady will 298 00:16:19,193 --> 00:16:20,153 have in the back of her head. 299 00:16:20,183 --> 00:16:25,073 Oh, I actually know one guy who was actually good guy and we have so much 300 00:16:25,073 --> 00:16:27,533 in common and he's a hunter, right. 301 00:16:27,743 --> 00:16:29,453 And this is the way how you change. 302 00:16:30,678 --> 00:16:34,698 People attitude and people, you know, you're not trying to force 303 00:16:34,698 --> 00:16:36,168 something down their throat. 304 00:16:36,408 --> 00:16:40,038 Is it like, okay, like, what is that makes you take right. 305 00:16:40,158 --> 00:16:42,228 Connection with nature growing vegetables. 306 00:16:42,228 --> 00:16:42,588 Great. 307 00:16:42,618 --> 00:16:43,548 It's fantastic. 308 00:16:43,908 --> 00:16:44,208 Right. 309 00:16:44,748 --> 00:16:47,798 So this is, this is my, this is, this is how I approach this, this. 310 00:16:48,768 --> 00:16:51,918 And, but that doesn't mean that I, you know, I have an episode that 311 00:16:51,928 --> 00:16:53,208 are straight up hunting, right? 312 00:16:53,388 --> 00:16:54,978 Sweden is hunting is one of them. 313 00:16:54,978 --> 00:17:00,138 I had a hunter on the podcast and we, you know, dive deep and very geeky 314 00:17:00,228 --> 00:17:03,918 about hunting and you know, what calibers and what, you know, what you 315 00:17:03,918 --> 00:17:05,748 do and how you do all these things. 316 00:17:06,408 --> 00:17:06,888 Sure. 317 00:17:07,728 --> 00:17:12,209 But then because you know, some part of my audience will not listen to 318 00:17:12,209 --> 00:17:14,459 that episode, but maybe somewhere. 319 00:17:15,329 --> 00:17:17,669 And they, you know, and they pick up stuffers. 320 00:17:17,699 --> 00:17:18,479 They're like, oh, okay. 321 00:17:18,479 --> 00:17:20,219 So that actually is a big culture. 322 00:17:20,219 --> 00:17:24,179 And actually everybody in Sweden, you know, 90% is okay with hunting 323 00:17:24,179 --> 00:17:28,709 and actually this is how it goes, and this is how it's managed that way. 324 00:17:28,709 --> 00:17:34,229 So I am not like not finding that difficult per se because 325 00:17:34,229 --> 00:17:36,329 I'm not trying to force anything. 326 00:17:36,369 --> 00:17:39,599 I'm trying to be natural with, with what I do and who I see. 327 00:17:40,829 --> 00:17:41,129 And that 328 00:17:41,129 --> 00:17:43,169 Danny: ties me into a recent episode as well. 329 00:17:43,169 --> 00:17:46,769 I think it was maybe six or eight episodes ago with Ellucian, Alyssa, Mike, 330 00:17:46,769 --> 00:17:50,005 Robert the communication professional, but who's also using storytelling 331 00:17:50,425 --> 00:17:54,205 and communication to educate and help educate and goes back to your point there 332 00:17:54,595 --> 00:17:56,635 about, it's not about force and views. 333 00:17:56,635 --> 00:18:01,255 Dan it's about communicate them use and letting people understand, you know, 334 00:18:01,375 --> 00:18:03,355 from mine, what I liked about the app. 335 00:18:03,355 --> 00:18:06,685 So it's obviously Lucy is awesome at doing that and get them. 336 00:18:07,990 --> 00:18:10,600 What can be difficult topics across wow. 337 00:18:10,630 --> 00:18:11,560 Because of her approach. 338 00:18:12,010 --> 00:18:15,790 But what I also found interesting about that episode, then it goes back to your 339 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:22,120 point earlier about us being very minute on what we choose to attack and what we 340 00:18:22,120 --> 00:18:27,520 choose to go after is social media and its impact on mental health and, and how 341 00:18:27,850 --> 00:18:32,080 social is really, you know, distracting all the good work that can be done and all 342 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:33,550 the educational stuff that can be done. 343 00:18:34,030 --> 00:18:36,460 And I wonder because of the topics that your show is on a boat. 344 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,970 Some of your listeners, won't listen to a hunt and stuff, somewhat 345 00:18:39,970 --> 00:18:43,840 lesson about the more ecological stuff or whatever, because of that. 346 00:18:43,870 --> 00:18:48,640 Have you ever been attacked or chilled online or here's your gas shared examples? 347 00:18:49,300 --> 00:18:51,700 Because all they've been trying to do is educate, but then you've 348 00:18:51,700 --> 00:18:56,350 got the very tunnel vision people coming after you or coming after 349 00:18:56,350 --> 00:18:56,680 Tommy: them. 350 00:18:57,070 --> 00:18:57,670 Honestly. 351 00:18:57,670 --> 00:18:59,740 No, and I think that. 352 00:19:00,805 --> 00:19:04,855 A lot of people that, you know, like I think that just listeners or 353 00:19:04,855 --> 00:19:09,238 followers or viewers whoever they are, who have this tunnel vision and not 354 00:19:09,238 --> 00:19:13,868 enjoying these, this type of content, they probably drop off quite quickly. 355 00:19:13,913 --> 00:19:19,384 So, and, and on, on many occasions I had I'm trying to think about negative. 356 00:19:19,384 --> 00:19:23,584 Like I can only really think about one, right? 357 00:19:23,614 --> 00:19:25,735 So, so let, let me, let me qualify. 358 00:19:26,500 --> 00:19:27,430 For sure. 359 00:19:27,970 --> 00:19:31,870 I had a comments like, oh, I disagree with your guests on this and that. 360 00:19:32,170 --> 00:19:32,410 Right. 361 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:36,760 I listened to the podcast and I think that these guests, you know, I agree 362 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:41,620 with part of it, but here on here, you know, I did disagree or that, 363 00:19:41,620 --> 00:19:43,270 that, that, that obviously happened. 364 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:47,497 But one that was probably the most like Ron Thompson, the, 365 00:19:47,497 --> 00:19:49,944 the, the he was he's a rain. 366 00:19:50,799 --> 00:19:55,666 Or he was a ranger in the, in, in African one of the biggest game reserve in Africa. 367 00:19:56,386 --> 00:20:01,336 And, you know, he, he, he, he got himself in a, in the BBC 368 00:20:01,336 --> 00:20:04,186 show with Pierce Pierce broth. 369 00:20:04,426 --> 00:20:05,736 And what's the business more guy. 370 00:20:06,226 --> 00:20:06,766 He's Morgan. 371 00:20:06,766 --> 00:20:06,946 Yeah. 372 00:20:07,186 --> 00:20:10,996 They, they, they kick him out from one show and then they'll 373 00:20:10,996 --> 00:20:12,016 really follow these things. 374 00:20:12,016 --> 00:20:12,706 You can tell. 375 00:20:14,536 --> 00:20:18,766 So, you know, he, he get on the show with him and he gets a lot of heat, 376 00:20:18,766 --> 00:20:23,866 a lot of hate and like, oh, you know, he killed like 5,000 elephants and 377 00:20:23,866 --> 00:20:28,756 you know, like, well, yeah, but that was like a two year long plan, the 378 00:20:28,756 --> 00:20:30,916 government operation of elephant call. 379 00:20:30,916 --> 00:20:32,926 And he was leading that operation. 380 00:20:32,926 --> 00:20:33,076 Right. 381 00:20:33,076 --> 00:20:37,036 So, so people with complete no clothes, like how it happens, that 382 00:20:37,396 --> 00:20:42,616 Rangers didn't, you know, arrest him like, dude, he was the ranger. 383 00:20:42,616 --> 00:20:43,366 He was leaving. 384 00:20:44,311 --> 00:20:48,811 That operation, there was avatar built the process meat of those elephants. 385 00:20:48,811 --> 00:20:49,051 Right. 386 00:20:49,231 --> 00:20:54,271 But people go like, so I had, I had him on the podcast and, and, and, 387 00:20:54,361 --> 00:21:00,631 you know, obviously he, he got a lot of abuse online and otherwise, 388 00:21:00,631 --> 00:21:05,731 so obviously he, he also that, you know, leaves the mark on personality. 389 00:21:05,731 --> 00:21:05,971 Right. 390 00:21:05,971 --> 00:21:10,051 If you constantly attack, then you maybe, you know, have everybody 391 00:21:10,051 --> 00:21:11,221 have their own way of dealing with. 392 00:21:12,286 --> 00:21:13,726 But it was a lovely episode. 393 00:21:13,726 --> 00:21:17,719 He comes across as very knowledgeable nice guy. 394 00:21:18,079 --> 00:21:21,949 And, and that was one episode when I got like comments on Facebook, 395 00:21:21,979 --> 00:21:24,919 death threats, you know, how dare you talking to this guy? 396 00:21:24,919 --> 00:21:28,099 You know, it reflects badly on you and on your show and all these, 397 00:21:28,369 --> 00:21:29,659 but that happened only once. 398 00:21:30,379 --> 00:21:36,139 And I think that because he got such a huge negative publicity, There was 399 00:21:36,139 --> 00:21:38,620 kind of like a fallback of of, of that. 400 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,980 But, you know, I, that's fine. 401 00:21:42,100 --> 00:21:46,930 I'm not particularly bothered, you know, I, you know, I would never not 402 00:21:46,930 --> 00:21:52,180 talk to someone on their part because I would like, I like to talk to, because 403 00:21:52,180 --> 00:21:57,070 you know, someone might not like it or they might, you know, I don't care 404 00:21:57,070 --> 00:22:01,330 if you don't like, then don't listen or unsubscribe, you know, like I said, 405 00:22:01,330 --> 00:22:03,070 it's, it's a very comfortable position. 406 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,840 I admit, because like I said, this is my complicated hobby. 407 00:22:08,590 --> 00:22:14,080 And so I don't care if I have a hundred followers, I do care. 408 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:14,440 Right. 409 00:22:14,500 --> 00:22:15,340 Don't get me wrong. 410 00:22:15,370 --> 00:22:20,050 Like all my followers are very valued and folks, thank you for listening 411 00:22:20,050 --> 00:22:21,850 to this podcast and my podcast. 412 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:27,400 But if someone, you know, doesn't enjoy it or doesn't even like, okay, that's fine. 413 00:22:27,580 --> 00:22:29,200 I'm not, I'm not going to lose sleep over that. 414 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,710 So I, I absolutely will talk to anyone. 415 00:22:33,730 --> 00:22:37,450 I feel like it's interesting and can contribute to the conversation 416 00:22:38,290 --> 00:22:39,010 Danny: and to make sense. 417 00:22:39,010 --> 00:22:41,650 It's like I'm, and again, it goes back to why I enjoy the short. 418 00:22:41,650 --> 00:22:45,880 So it's very varied topics and I'm only getting really dug into it. 419 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,650 And I have less than maybe 10 or 12 episodes. 420 00:22:47,650 --> 00:22:51,190 I've got a huge back catalog to go through, but so far 421 00:22:51,190 --> 00:22:52,090 I'm really enjoying it. 422 00:22:52,090 --> 00:22:54,290 And so you mentioned our load as well. 423 00:22:54,308 --> 00:22:57,518 You're originally from Poland, but now you're in Ireland. 424 00:22:58,388 --> 00:23:01,821 What, what have you found has been different from the culture around. 425 00:23:01,821 --> 00:23:05,293 Between the two countries and maybe how the approach, you know, say hunter 426 00:23:05,293 --> 00:23:08,083 and ecological stuff, et cetera. 427 00:23:08,123 --> 00:23:09,133 What's the differences there. 428 00:23:09,793 --> 00:23:15,493 Tommy: First of all, I don't think I can truly answer that question because in 429 00:23:15,493 --> 00:23:19,123 Poland, I was very much city boy, right. 430 00:23:19,273 --> 00:23:20,593 Born and raised in the city. 431 00:23:21,523 --> 00:23:25,693 Finished university in the city first, you know, five, 10 years of my career 432 00:23:25,693 --> 00:23:29,743 was in the , which was at the time, the biggest, second biggest city in 433 00:23:29,743 --> 00:23:32,803 Poland after fall following communism, they, there was, there was, you 434 00:23:32,803 --> 00:23:36,575 know, changes and but then I moved to Warsaw, you know, obviously we're so 435 00:23:36,575 --> 00:23:38,712 big, big city you know, technology. 436 00:23:38,712 --> 00:23:42,942 So I was, I was always, you know, the, the, the biggest contact with nature 437 00:23:42,942 --> 00:23:44,502 in Poland was we had like a summer. 438 00:23:45,492 --> 00:23:48,612 And I call it summer house because it wasn't really suitable to spend 439 00:23:48,612 --> 00:23:50,292 winter like a Polish winter in it. 440 00:23:50,892 --> 00:23:56,562 But we always try to spend, you know, like a three, four months of the, of summer 441 00:23:57,462 --> 00:23:59,322 in that house, it was in the rural areas. 442 00:23:59,922 --> 00:24:04,798 And so obviously as a kid, I had holidays to two months of of, of vacations. 443 00:24:04,798 --> 00:24:08,254 And then I had an option to work remotely, you know, one of the, one of 444 00:24:08,254 --> 00:24:09,814 the benefits of computer industry and. 445 00:24:10,939 --> 00:24:12,949 Oh, it was early two thousands. 446 00:24:12,949 --> 00:24:14,389 I was already working remotely. 447 00:24:14,899 --> 00:24:16,849 So like more time was spending there. 448 00:24:16,969 --> 00:24:19,819 So I enjoyed that and I was doing fishing. 449 00:24:19,819 --> 00:24:22,489 I was going on holidays and there was like in a pond or something. 450 00:24:22,489 --> 00:24:26,959 We were, we went out fishing, but mostly I was a city guy, city boy, 451 00:24:27,499 --> 00:24:32,359 when I moved to Ireland, I, first of all, I moved to the rural area. 452 00:24:32,539 --> 00:24:35,599 You know, the county Kerry where I'm based, it's called like a holiday camp. 453 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:40,720 You know, tourism and farming and, and, you know, and there was even when 454 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:46,030 I was looking at, you know, to accept an offer of, of job in Ireland, you 455 00:24:46,030 --> 00:24:48,160 know, I, I, I look up where it is. 456 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,680 I was like, wow, is it ocean and mountains? 457 00:24:50,710 --> 00:24:54,430 You know, and everything in one place, like in Poland, you need to drive 458 00:24:54,430 --> 00:24:57,940 the whole day to, you know, to be in the mountains or, or go to the sea. 459 00:24:58,810 --> 00:25:00,190 So I go like, yeah, I'm there. 460 00:25:01,195 --> 00:25:05,485 I came here and it was like a, truly this open, this there's there's doors. 461 00:25:06,145 --> 00:25:11,155 But to answer your question, I think that Ireland is so fantastically 462 00:25:11,515 --> 00:25:16,135 accessible in terms of outdoor activities. 463 00:25:16,405 --> 00:25:19,675 You know, whether it's cycling, whether it's golfing, even whether 464 00:25:19,675 --> 00:25:24,453 it's hunting or fishing, it's so much more accessible to try have an impact. 465 00:25:24,453 --> 00:25:29,406 So I enjoyed that and I think that gives me opportunity to try many 466 00:25:29,406 --> 00:25:32,136 different things and, you know, pick and choose the ones that I like. 467 00:25:32,266 --> 00:25:37,056 You know, I think, again, especially in the area where I live there 468 00:25:37,056 --> 00:25:38,916 is not that densely populated. 469 00:25:39,014 --> 00:25:43,994 You know, there's no big cities, there's no big crowds, there's relative 470 00:25:44,354 --> 00:25:49,430 easy access to, you know fishing, hunting, golfing, cycling, you name it. 471 00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:49,937 So that's why. 472 00:25:50,747 --> 00:25:56,327 Other thing is that definitely is something that I didn't realize at first. 473 00:25:56,357 --> 00:26:00,887 But then as, as I was doing the podcast and I was talking to members of 474 00:26:00,947 --> 00:26:06,587 environmental NGOs and so on, I realized how depleted the nature isn't that. 475 00:26:07,727 --> 00:26:13,667 It's very, very, there's like almost nothing left compared to Poland where 476 00:26:13,727 --> 00:26:17,447 we're in and in general, you know, there's, there's one other episode 477 00:26:17,447 --> 00:26:20,860 where I also discussed that with, with one of the scientists that you 478 00:26:20,860 --> 00:26:26,710 know, that the further east you move in Europe, the nature is richer. 479 00:26:26,740 --> 00:26:30,880 There's more left if you like, because the industrialization and. 480 00:26:31,615 --> 00:26:35,575 Kind of, you know, lagging a little bit and that left more space for wildlife. 481 00:26:36,205 --> 00:26:39,365 So I think that the part of that is that the Poland is on the, on the 482 00:26:39,395 --> 00:26:41,955 east of Europe, but also is bigger. 483 00:26:42,021 --> 00:26:44,496 It's it's not so farming heavy. 484 00:26:45,276 --> 00:26:48,096 So that's another thing coming from the perspective of. 485 00:26:48,177 --> 00:26:49,931 You know human wildlife interactions. 486 00:26:49,931 --> 00:26:52,991 And, and this is like this interesting thing, because, you know, when I, when 487 00:26:52,991 --> 00:26:55,601 I was starting the podcast, like I said, it was, you know, the tagline was 488 00:26:55,601 --> 00:27:00,821 dedicated to everything outdoors when I was, you know, trying different things. 489 00:27:00,821 --> 00:27:04,271 And I had an episode was about running and cycling and, you 490 00:27:04,271 --> 00:27:05,771 know, sailing all these stuff. 491 00:27:06,191 --> 00:27:10,481 And then over time, it kind of morphed into like, okay, I think that. 492 00:27:10,533 --> 00:27:13,667 Human wildlife interactions is that this is that area. 493 00:27:13,667 --> 00:27:14,447 This is that niche. 494 00:27:14,447 --> 00:27:16,937 If you like this really interesting. 495 00:27:16,937 --> 00:27:20,627 And there is a lot to talk about here and there's a lot to educate people. 496 00:27:20,627 --> 00:27:22,367 There's a lot to do and a lot to learn to that. 497 00:27:22,367 --> 00:27:25,787 And then, you know, from that perspective, I went on and saying, 498 00:27:25,817 --> 00:27:27,497 oh, okay, I see what's going on. 499 00:27:27,497 --> 00:27:31,907 So I think that on the one hand, Ireland has much, is much more accessible. 500 00:27:32,577 --> 00:27:37,277 It's easier to start, you know, either hunting or fishing or 501 00:27:37,277 --> 00:27:38,357 any other outdoor activity. 502 00:27:39,107 --> 00:27:45,317 On the other hand, if you're a wildlife lover or would like to see biodiversity? 503 00:27:46,097 --> 00:27:49,307 Well, this is really far behind. 504 00:27:50,087 --> 00:27:52,937 Danny: We hop over the channel and get a gala photo. 505 00:27:53,717 --> 00:27:56,687 Then we'd mentioned obviously earlier, you'd said that the 506 00:27:56,687 --> 00:27:57,587 show is in its fifth year. 507 00:27:58,367 --> 00:28:01,487 And it's, it's evolved, you know, fourth, I think fourth year. 508 00:28:03,407 --> 00:28:07,427 So it's evolved quite a bit from its original inception. 509 00:28:07,877 --> 00:28:08,897 What, what's the goals? 510 00:28:08,897 --> 00:28:11,597 What's the plans for the future of Tommy's outdoors? 511 00:28:11,597 --> 00:28:14,567 Are you going to continue with a format as it is now, would you, 512 00:28:14,957 --> 00:28:17,687 would you look to get back into and Parson, Ricard and what's your. 513 00:28:19,862 --> 00:28:24,546 Tommy: Yeah, look, this is what we, I think says earlier in the green 514 00:28:24,546 --> 00:28:27,996 room that, you know, I started with a lot of in-person and recording. 515 00:28:27,996 --> 00:28:31,326 I was traveling and it was, you know, the part of the gig that I was packing 516 00:28:31,326 --> 00:28:36,880 all my gear and going to meet the guests and all that, you know obviously because 517 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:41,136 of COVID and all these things you know, is a hundred percent remote right now. 518 00:28:41,226 --> 00:28:44,376 I think like last year I recorded one episode 99. 519 00:28:45,066 --> 00:28:48,909 Was it in person with a, with an old hunter and white folder who 520 00:28:48,919 --> 00:28:52,947 lives nearby was great, you know, great talk to him and, and you know, 521 00:28:52,947 --> 00:28:54,387 do like a woman person recording. 522 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:58,900 But to answer your question, I am not under pressure, so I'm not looking on the 523 00:28:58,900 --> 00:29:03,040 revolution it's evolution and they think of the show is evolving all the time. 524 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,770 And a lot of this evolution is driven by. 525 00:29:06,970 --> 00:29:09,790 You know what I observe, what is, what is happening? 526 00:29:09,814 --> 00:29:14,908 And, and, you know, there, there are, there are opportunities that I didn't 527 00:29:14,908 --> 00:29:17,278 envisage when I was starting a show. 528 00:29:17,278 --> 00:29:17,518 Right. 529 00:29:17,518 --> 00:29:21,911 So for example, the research institutions, research projects, 530 00:29:21,941 --> 00:29:24,791 reaching out and saying, Hey, would you like to talk about our project? 531 00:29:24,791 --> 00:29:24,971 Right. 532 00:29:24,971 --> 00:29:26,321 We have a scientist to talk about it. 533 00:29:26,361 --> 00:29:27,311 So that's great. 534 00:29:27,376 --> 00:29:30,286 That, that, that, that, you know, like a scientific community 535 00:29:30,307 --> 00:29:31,717 have an interest in this. 536 00:29:31,717 --> 00:29:35,518 And this is like, I think there's also like a substantial portion of my Audience 537 00:29:35,608 --> 00:29:38,308 are, are, you know, people from academia. 538 00:29:38,998 --> 00:29:39,868 So that's one thing. 539 00:29:39,868 --> 00:29:46,606 The other thing is that also increasingly the publishers are reaching out and, 540 00:29:46,606 --> 00:29:50,678 and, you know, want to talk about you know, either one when the author 541 00:29:50,768 --> 00:29:55,088 of the book interviewed or, or, or, you know, they, which is also very 542 00:29:55,088 --> 00:30:00,668 interesting because then, you know, I kind of, it goes on my radar. 543 00:30:01,613 --> 00:30:04,403 You know, who does what and, and interesting people. 544 00:30:04,403 --> 00:30:08,333 And so-and-so, so I enjoy these things as well, but I think that the overall 545 00:30:08,353 --> 00:30:12,737 the trajectory I'm on going to stay or so, you know, obviously like every 546 00:30:12,737 --> 00:30:16,007 podcast I would like to grow my audience, I would like to have a bigger reach, 547 00:30:16,007 --> 00:30:17,747 bigger, and like all these things. 548 00:30:17,808 --> 00:30:21,647 But there are not, not particularly specific to Tommy Salvador's. 549 00:30:22,367 --> 00:30:27,407 I definitely would like to develop further the. 550 00:30:28,307 --> 00:30:33,677 Platform as a, as a platform for conversation as a platform for 551 00:30:34,037 --> 00:30:36,647 presenting different points of view. 552 00:30:37,247 --> 00:30:42,507 And, you know, having said that I'm not hiding my points of view, right? 553 00:30:42,987 --> 00:30:44,637 Like I'm a hunter and angler, right? 554 00:30:44,697 --> 00:30:45,957 That's, that's, that's one thing. 555 00:30:46,347 --> 00:30:50,727 But I also agree with a lot of things that, you know, that hunters wouldn't 556 00:30:51,627 --> 00:30:53,877 be particularly happy me saying. 557 00:30:53,907 --> 00:30:58,632 And I agree with a lot of things that rewilding, for example, Suggests and, 558 00:30:58,632 --> 00:31:01,032 you know, I, I love the, I love the idea. 559 00:31:01,062 --> 00:31:02,502 I appreciate all the problems. 560 00:31:02,502 --> 00:31:07,662 I appreciate all the difficulties, but in general idea, I liked the idea. 561 00:31:08,262 --> 00:31:16,382 So maybe you know, I could lead by example and sort of say, Hey, people 562 00:31:16,412 --> 00:31:18,212 come and listen to Tommy cell doors. 563 00:31:18,602 --> 00:31:23,072 Even if you look at the title of the episode and you see like, you know, like 564 00:31:23,072 --> 00:31:29,677 an African big game hunting, Listening, you know, you're driving somewhere or 565 00:31:29,687 --> 00:31:32,027 you're doing your yard work, put it on. 566 00:31:32,477 --> 00:31:35,807 Listen, you might find something interesting or at least this is going to 567 00:31:35,897 --> 00:31:37,907 open your, your, your minds a little bit. 568 00:31:37,907 --> 00:31:43,337 So this is definitely my goal to continue on that trajectory and position, the 569 00:31:43,337 --> 00:31:48,377 key positioning Tommy's outdoors as a platform for conversation where, you 570 00:31:48,377 --> 00:31:52,487 know, everybody has an opportunity to present their own point of view. 571 00:31:52,517 --> 00:31:54,336 And I think we need that because. 572 00:31:55,666 --> 00:32:01,036 A lot of conversation on these subjects that are happening on social media, on 573 00:32:01,036 --> 00:32:03,076 the Facebooks and Twitters of this world. 574 00:32:03,286 --> 00:32:08,206 And these are just not the mediums for discussion. 575 00:32:08,506 --> 00:32:09,736 Is it like, right? 576 00:32:10,516 --> 00:32:15,496 But if you can sit with someone and you can have, you know, hour or two hours 577 00:32:15,496 --> 00:32:20,896 to, to really trash it up, And dig and ask followup questions and like, 578 00:32:20,926 --> 00:32:22,996 di did I understood you correctly? 579 00:32:22,996 --> 00:32:23,296 Right? 580 00:32:23,716 --> 00:32:28,126 And then those people are also not limited to the 300 heart characters limit. 581 00:32:28,186 --> 00:32:33,736 They can actually, you know, at the vans, their, their, their 582 00:32:33,736 --> 00:32:39,916 thoughts properly, that changes the way of conversation tremendously. 583 00:32:39,916 --> 00:32:44,926 And, and, and this is what I look forward to, to do in, you know, And I think 584 00:32:44,926 --> 00:32:46,666 Danny: you've definitely sat the shop for that. 585 00:32:47,506 --> 00:32:50,806 Like, like I've mentioned Ellen and I keep mentioning that one of the reasons I 586 00:32:50,806 --> 00:32:55,606 do seriously enjoy your show is the fact that anybody can come on and you allow 587 00:32:55,616 --> 00:32:57,886 them to come on and converse with you. 588 00:32:58,156 --> 00:33:00,316 And you converse with them on very different points of view. 589 00:33:00,706 --> 00:33:03,146 And it allows listeners to really knock away. 590 00:33:04,441 --> 00:33:10,051 Get different viewpoints to really make an educated decision on something 591 00:33:10,231 --> 00:33:13,021 that it's not, it's something that we don't have enough off. 592 00:33:13,021 --> 00:33:14,941 I think so, so kudos to you for that. 593 00:33:15,826 --> 00:33:15,976 Yeah. 594 00:33:16,126 --> 00:33:21,436 So Tommy I've really enjoyed chatting with you and I could have a far longer life. 595 00:33:21,436 --> 00:33:27,466 So remember we have our revisit, like a season five revisit or something for 596 00:33:27,466 --> 00:33:31,326 people that want to connect with you online and, you know, chat with you. 597 00:33:31,326 --> 00:33:35,266 You mentioned they can connect and you can have HR with their viewpoints, et cetera. 598 00:33:35,266 --> 00:33:37,066 Where's the best place for them to find you online. 599 00:33:38,236 --> 00:33:42,076 Tommy: Sure the best place is to go to Tommy cell doors.com. 600 00:33:42,226 --> 00:33:43,246 This is my website. 601 00:33:43,246 --> 00:33:47,356 This is my blog, also any, and all podcasting platforms, people who listen 602 00:33:47,356 --> 00:33:51,286 to podcasts, they know they have their, you know, weapon of choice for podcasting. 603 00:33:51,286 --> 00:33:56,116 So I don't have to tell you that, but Tommy's outdoors.com definitely 604 00:33:56,116 --> 00:33:58,006 going there and explore the page. 605 00:33:58,036 --> 00:33:59,386 There's a search box. 606 00:34:00,391 --> 00:34:03,091 And there are occasional blogs in there. 607 00:34:03,211 --> 00:34:07,771 There are videos on my YouTube channel, which are not necessarily like a podcast 608 00:34:07,771 --> 00:34:09,331 version of video, but like a short videos. 609 00:34:09,331 --> 00:34:13,391 I enjoy, you know, doing like short, short form videos as well. 610 00:34:13,442 --> 00:34:14,522 Explore that page. 611 00:34:14,552 --> 00:34:16,442 There's a, there's a download page. 612 00:34:16,472 --> 00:34:20,102 There is a recommendation for Christmas books at the moment. 613 00:34:20,131 --> 00:34:22,856 So definitely Tommy Salvador's dot com is the best place. 614 00:34:22,856 --> 00:34:24,446 There's also a contact form. 615 00:34:24,446 --> 00:34:27,495 So by all means, if you want to, if you want to get in touch, hit 616 00:34:27,495 --> 00:34:30,135 the about and under about section. 617 00:34:30,135 --> 00:34:32,355 There's a few words about me and the contact form. 618 00:34:32,535 --> 00:34:34,215 So Tommy doors.com. 619 00:34:34,990 --> 00:34:39,220 From there, you will find me in any and all platforms that you may enjoy. 620 00:34:39,700 --> 00:34:40,840 Danny: And I can recommend that. 621 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,870 Cause I got lost in a rabbit hole when I visited your site and it was an awesome 622 00:34:43,870 --> 00:34:46,750 rabbit hole, finding all of these different categories, subcategories 623 00:34:47,020 --> 00:34:48,310 videos, book recommendations. 624 00:34:48,310 --> 00:34:48,790 That was awesome. 625 00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:50,770 I spent quite an enjoyable period of time. 626 00:34:50,770 --> 00:34:53,620 And so I will leave the link to Tommy's website in the show notes. 627 00:34:53,620 --> 00:34:56,200 So you'll listen on your favorite app, make sure to check the show notes 628 00:34:56,260 --> 00:34:59,940 and you can get the link there, but I would recommend normal wasn't today. 629 00:35:00,955 --> 00:35:02,365 Just check out the websites vertical. 630 00:35:03,025 --> 00:35:04,825 So tell me again, thank you for the PLN. 631 00:35:04,825 --> 00:35:07,135 And I'm looking forward to the listeners, you know, learn from your 632 00:35:07,135 --> 00:35:07,375 chat 633 00:35:07,375 --> 00:35:08,875 Tommy: today, Danny. 634 00:35:08,905 --> 00:35:09,625 Thank you very much. 635 00:35:09,655 --> 00:35:11,630 Thanks for the opportunity and all the best.