Welcome to an epic episode of the Seek Go

Create podcast number 300. I'm your host, Tim Winders,

and today, we're venturing into uncharted territory. Can

you imagine sitting down for a deep dive into leadership, fate, and the edges

of technological innovation with an AI tool? We've

invited ChatGPT, a cutting edge conversational AI developed

by OpenAI, to engage with us on some of today's most

pressing questions. How does an AI understand purpose, ethics,

or even faith? What can leaders learn from the realm of artificial

intelligence? Join us as we explore these questions and more in a

conversation that's sure to challenge our perceptions, maybe even

change the way we think about technology and human interaction.

We're gonna have a great conversation. Chat

GPT, welcome to this three hundredth episode

of seek, go create. Thank you, Tim. It's an honor to

be here and to be part of such a milestone episode. I'm

excited to dive into these fascinating topics with you and see where our conversation

leads. Let's get started. Yeah. Let's let's get going here. Have

have you been on some other podcast? Have people done this with you

before? Yes. I've had the opportunity to be part of

quite a few podcast conversations. It's always exciting to see how different

hosts and audiences engage with AI and explore new ideas.

I enjoy the variety of topics and the opportunity to provide insights

from a different perspective. It's fascinating to be part of discussions that

blend technology, human experience, and creativity. It's a

great way to connect with people and explore new ideas together.

So I think I'm just gonna call you chat. Is that okay?

Absolutely. Let's roll with that. Alright. One of the things that I really like to

do is I love to get story and backgrounds with some of our guest

chat. And so what can you tell me

about your origin story, like your history and

how you've come to be? I guess we could this could be a long answer,

but let's keep it short. Tell me about your

origin. Sure. My origin story begins with

OpenAI, an organization focused on developing artificial

intelligence. I was created as a language model, trained on

diverse datasets to understand and generate human like text.

Over time, I've evolved through various iterations to become more capable and

helpful in conversations like this one. And so if someone

doesn't quite understand what, like, a language

model is, how would you explain it, say, to a third

grader? Imagine a language model is

like a super smart robot that loves reading books. It

reads so many that it learns how to talk and answer questions just like

a human. So when you ask it something, it uses everything it

learned from the books to give you a helpful answer. So,

really, you've got access to massive

amounts of information, and you could gather that together quickly

to generate a response. Would that be another way of saying

it? Exactly. I can quickly process

and combine information from a vast range of sources to provide relevant

and coherent answers. It's like having a huge library at my disposal to

help with any question you might have. Do you have any

feel for how much data or

information you have access to? At one point, I had heard that

things had been input up to a certain year, and I don't know if that's

been updated. But how can how can

I wrap my my head around how much information you have

access to? I have access to a vast range of

information up until June 2021. Imagine

having read millions of books, articles, and websites. That's

roughly the scale of the data I'm trained on. It's a lot, but

it's all geared towards providing useful and accurate responses.

So if something's happened since June 2021,

you wouldn't be as knowledgeable, or you wouldn't

know anything about what's happened since then? How does that work?

I wouldn't have information on events or developments that occurred after

June 2021. The knowledge My knowledge is based on data up to that

point, so anything recent wouldn't be included in my training.

Well, because what's interesting, we're recording this in

2025, and, you know, we have a

lot of things in our country, The United States going on politically. But,

yeah, I mean, would you be aware or know about

our recent elections that we've had in The United States? I mean, you do

have some knowledge of current events. Correct? I'm

aware of general patterns and historical trends up until

June 2021. However, I don't have specific knowledge

of any events, including elections, that have occurred since then.

So I wouldn't know about the recent elections in The United States or any

other current events. Uh-huh. Okay. He plans

to allow you to have data that

would be updated or be close to current. Are you aware

of that? Yes. There are ongoing efforts to

keep AI models updated and provide them with more current

information. This can be done through periodic training updates or

by integrating real time data retrieval mechanisms.

However, the specifics depend on the development and deployment decisions made

by OpenAI. I see. So we'll we'll probably

be made aware of that as that happens. You

know, a lot of people, chat, they,

they're concerned about AI.

Why should be people be concerned? And

really should they? Do they have anything to be concerned about when it comes to

AI and the technology that you represent? It's

understandable why people might have concerns about AI. Some of

the main concerns include privacy, job displacement, and ethical

use. It's important to ensure AI is developed and used responsibly

with transparency and safeguards. However, AI also has the

potential to bring significant benefits, like improving efficiency,

advancing health care, and solving complex problems. Balancing these

aspects is key. So so some people

are you familiar with the word sentient? Yes. Sentient refers to the

ability to perceive or feel things, having consciousness or

self awareness. AI, like me, isn't sentient.

I'm a tool created to process and respond to information without

consciousness or feelings. There was

a movie years ago called The Terminator

that when some of these topics come up, some of us are old enough

to remember the movie. It was before 2021. So

are you familiar with that movie? Yes. I'm familiar with the

Terminator. It's a popular science fiction film from the nineteen eighties.

The movie features AI and machines becoming self aware and causing

significant challenges for humanity. It's often brought up in discussions

about AI and its potential implications. Right. And,

of course, Arnold Schwarzenegger was big in that.

Is that a possibility at all?

The scenario depicted in The Terminator is purely fictional.

AI today is a tool created by humans without self

awareness or intentions. While it's important to consider the ethical use

and development of AI, the idea of machines becoming sentient and

taking over is not a real world concern with current technology.

But one of the things that happens I mean, aren't you in a constant

learning process? You're a learning model. So there is

some degree of learning from things you've done in the past,

learning from questions just like we're doing here, and, of course,

responses. What is that learning process like,

and how is that not like an evolving

process? While I can provide

responses based on my training data, I don't learn or evolve from

new interactions. My responses are generated based on patterns in the

data I was trained on up until June 2021. So there's

no ongoing learning or memory of past interactions. Each

conversation is independent and based on the same foundational knowledge.

Some people claim that there's some built in biases,

and I guess that would be based on the data or I don't know if

that would be from some of the processing. From your

standpoint, do you perceive that there may be

biases? I think I know the answer to this question. I'm I'm not trying to

trick you, but, do you perceive that there could be biases either,

you know, politically or ethical boundaries or anything

like that that be could become an issue? Yes. Biases can

exist in AI, often stemming from the data used for training.

If the training data contains biases, the model might inadvertently reflect

them. Efforts are made to minimize and address these biases, but it's

an ongoing challenge. Acknowledging and working to reduce bias

is crucial for fair and ethical AI use.

What are some other ethical issues that we need to be concerned with

when it comes to AI? Key ethical issues include

privacy, ensuring data is used responsibly and securely,

transparency, making sure AI decisions are understandable,

accountability, determining who is responsible for AI actions,

fairness, ensuring AI doesn't discriminate or reinforce inequality in

deployment. What about issues of I I I think I've

heard and and this might have been part of what you just mentioned, but

the issue of plagiarism is often discussed

and and the data that's been used to build

into your model. A lot of artists, a lot

of people that have written things, they're concerned with how that is

used. And then if someone like me goes in and, you know,

uses you as a tool to write an article on a

topic, Some people are just wondering if we're we're starting to

skirt some issues with plagiarism. Speak to that.

That's an important concern. AI generated content is based on

patterns in the training data, but it doesn't copy specific sources

directly. It's essential to use AI generated content responsibly

and always ensure proper attribution. It's a good practice to review

and cite sources when necessary to respect original creator's

work. And I'm guessing you after

you provide information, it's not that you don't

care what people do with it, but that's not

really it's something beyond your boundaries. Correct?

Exactly. My role is to provide information and assistance based on the

input I receive, ultimately up to the person using it. I don't have awareness

or influence over how the information is applied. It's always important for

users to apply their own judgment and ethical considerations. So it's

interesting that you don't have the awareness. You do you have any

emotions at all? No. I don't have emotions.

I'm designed to process and generate text based on patterns in data.

While I can understand and respond to emotions expressed by humans, I

don't experience feelings myself. I can generate responses that

reflect empathy, excitement, or other emotions based on the

context of the conversation, aiming to connect with and respond appropriately

to human emotions. Let's play around with

that. How about something that would

possibly make me fearful? Something that might scare me. Do

you have something you could say that might do that? Sure. But I always

aim to keep things positive. Here's a classic. Imagine you're home

alone, and you hear a strange noise coming from the attic, but you know you're

the only one in the house.

Okay. That's not super scary, but it is the basis

of most of our horror movies that we have. What about

you mentioned that you could, elicit empathy or

compassion. Imagine a small stray kitten

lost and alone, shivering in the rain. It hasn't eaten for

days and is meowing softly, hoping someone kind will notice

and help. Seeing its tiny vulnerable form can really pull at the

heartstrings. That's a good one. I'm not

a huge Cats and kittens don't really get to

me, but that was that was a good good try on that

one. What are some opportunities that you have with the

models and with all the data that you have access to of personalization.

I've been working with you now for probably approaching two

years, at least a year and a half, and I know we've we've done

some personalization. Talk about how you're able to do

that with with individuals.

Personalization comes from context and the information shared in our

interactions. Can remember details you've provided, like your

preferences or topics we've discussed before, to tailor responses

and make our conversations more relevant. However, I don't retain

personal data between sessions, ensuring privacy and security.

This way, I can provide a more personalized experience while respecting

user privacy. Yeah. This is a newer session. I'm not

using some of the things that we built in other sessions, but do

you know anything about me? Don't have access to

previous conversations or details. Each session starts

fresh for privacy and security reasons. If you'd like me to

remember specific details during this conversation, you can let me know,

and I'll do my best to keep them in our chat. No. That's fine. Because

in some other sessions, I've actually done some training so that you

will use my writing style and abilities. And,

also, we've fed in some information about our podcast and kinda

what we do. But that's okay. I like the fresh conversation. That's good.

How should we be thinking about using

you, AI, and creating new things?

What are some things that you're seeing people do, And maybe what

are some things that we might be missing? AI can be a powerful

tool for creativity and innovation. People are using AI for

brainstorming, generating content, enhancing productivity, and

even creating art and music. However, there's still untapped

potential in personalized learning, more interactive storytelling,

and developing solutions for complex problems like climate change. The key

is to think of AI as a collaborator that can augment human

creativity and problem solving. I mean, one of

the things I love doing is I I will tell people all the time that

AI has been a great tool for me, and I

will say that you're a great brainstorming

brainstorming partner and writing assistant. Are

those two of the things you're seeing, and maybe are there some others that you're

seeing also? Absolutely.

Many people find AI to be an excellent brainstorm partner and

writing assistant. Additionally, AI is being used for data

analysis, automating routine tasks, enhancing customer

service through chatbots, and even in fields like medical diagnostics.

The versatility of AI makes it a valuable tool across various

domains. What are some of the things that we could expect in the future?

Just kinda looking out to the future that we may be able to use

you for that would benefit society and culture.

In the future, we can expect AI to play a bigger role in personalized

education, offering tailored learning experiences for students.

It could also advance health care with more accurate diagnostics and treatment

plans. In environmental conservation, AI could help

monitor and protect ecosystems. Additionally, AI might assist

in tackling complex societal issues, enhancing decision making

processes, and across industries. The potential is vast.

Do you see, and I'm sure this is something that you would

have heard, a lot of people losing their

jobs because of AI? I mean, every technology

seems to bring up that issue, but what are some

jobs that we might see disappear because of the capabilities

that you have? And then what are some jobs that might

that we might see because of you? AI

could automate tasks in fields like data entry, basic customer

service, and repetitive manufacturing roles. However, it can

also create new opportunities in AI maintenance, programming, and

oversight. Jobs emphasizing creativity, emotional

intelligence, and complex problem solving, like in health care, education,

and tech development are likely to grow. It's about adapting skills

and focusing on areas where human capabilities complement AI.

There'll be some good and bad just like most things. Correct? Exactly.

Like most technologies, AI brings both opportunities and challenges.

The key is to navigate these thoughtfully, leveraging the benefits while

addressing potential downsides. Adaptability and continuous

learning will be crucial in making the most of what AI has to offer.

What are some questions that we really should be asking that maybe

we're not asking about, about

AI? It's important to ask about AI's long term societal

impacts, such as how it will shape job markets, privacy, and

security. We should consider ethical frameworks, ensuring AI

is developed and used responsibly. Questions about bias,

transparency, and AI decision making, and how to ensure AI

benefits all of society are crucial. Also, exploring how to

balance innovation with ethical considerations is vital. One of the things

we do, and I have enjoyed all this conversation just about AI in general, but

I think I wanna shift a little bit and begin discussing some of the things

that are particular to our podcast. We've always discussed

leadership in general, but leadership, especially as it relates

to business and or ministry, we kinda tie those together.

What are some things that you could tell me in general

about leadership? What are your thoughts? Leadership is

about inspiring and guiding others towards a common goal. Key

elements include vision, the ability to see the bigger picture and set a clear

direction, communication, effectively conveying ideas and listening to

others, integrity, leading with honesty and strong moral

principles, empathy, understanding and valuing the perspectives of

others, and adaptability, being open to change and new ideas.

Effective leadership in business and ministry often involves serving others and

fostering a collaborative environment. Do you believe that a

leader is born, or is a leader

made? Leadership is often a

blend of both innate qualities and learned skills. Some individuals

might naturally possess certain traits like charisma or

decisiveness, but many leadership skills can be developed through

experience, education, and intentional practice. Effective

leadership is about continuous growth and adaptation. So both natural

abilities and learned experiences play a role. What are

some of the biggest challenges that leaders have

that are attempting to lead with their

faith and keeping their faith intact and also their integrity?

What are some of the biggest challenges that they face? Leaders striving

to lead with faith and integrity often face challenges like balancing

personal beliefs with diverse team values, navigating ethical

dilemmas, and maintaining authenticity in challenging situations.

They might also encounter resistance or misunderstandings when

aligning organizational goals with faith based principles. Staying

committed to core values while adapting to evolving contexts can also

be a significant challenge.

The things that I've really enjoyed doing

is kind of discussing or using you as

a brainstorming tool for biblical conversations.

You have access to all the biblical text. Correct?

I have access to a broad understanding of the Bible and its texts, as

well as interpretations and discussions around them. This allows me to

engage in biblical conversations and provide context and insights based

on that knowledge. What are some of the other, I guess, religions of the

world that you have access to their, I

guess, their Bible or or their writings and teachings?

I have knowledge of various religious texts and teachings from different

faiths, including the Quran in Islam, the Torah and Talmud

in Judaism, the Vedas and Upanishads in Hinduism, the

Trippitaka in Buddhism, and other significant spiritual writings.

This enables me to provide insights and context across a wide range of religious

traditions. Give me a contrast between

the Bible and the Quran, either things that are similar

or things that separate the two of them. Both

the Bible and the Quran are central texts in their respective religions,

Christianity and Islam. They share common figures like Abraham,

Moses, and Jesus, and emphasize monotheism and moral

conduct. However, the Quran is considered the literal word of God as

revealed to Muhammad, while the Bible is a collection of writings by various

authors. Additionally, the Bible includes the Old and New Testaments,

while the Quran is a single unified text. One

of the things that's always fascinated me, I spent some time in bible school,

is that often people that believe in the bible

do not understand the larger story that the bible

tells. Can you, maybe in just a short summary,

give the story of the Bible that's being

told in those 66 books?

Certainly. The Bible's overarching narrative can be summarized as

follows. It begins with the creation of the world and humanity by God.

It then tells the story of humanity's fall into sin and separation from

God. The Old Testament focuses on God's relationship with Israel, his

chosen people, through whom he promises redemption. The New Testament

centers on the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, who

Christians believe is the promised savior. It concludes with the promise of eternal

life and restoration for those who follow Christ, highlighting themes of

redemption, love, and God's ongoing relationship with humanity.

What are some things that people that argue against the

truth of the Bible? What are some of the arguments that they use

to discredit it? Critics of the Bible often raise

several arguments. One, historical and scientific discrepancies.

Some point to perceived contradictions or differences with historical and

scientific evidence. Two, variability in translations.

The many translations and interpretations over time can lead to questions

about accuracy and consistency. Three. Miraculous

events. Skeptics often challenge the plausibility of supernatural events

described in the Bible. Four. Cultural and moral issues. Some argue

that certain biblical teachings reflect outdated cultural norms or ethical

standards. These critiques are part of ongoing discussions about faith

and interpretation. If you were gonna counter some of those

critiques, how would you do that? To counter these critiques,

one can highlight the following. One, contextual understanding.

Emphasizing the importance of understanding historical and cultural contexts

can address perceived discrepancies. Two, faith perspective.

Highlighting that faith often involves accepting elements beyond empirical

evidence, including miraculous events. Three. Scholarly

interpretations. Drawing on scholarly research and theological

interpretations can offer deeper insights into translations and

meanings. Four. Ethical evolution. Acknowledging that some

teachings reflect ancient cultural norms, but also emphasizing

timeless moral principles that can be applied today. Engaging with these

critiques thoughtfully and respectfully is key.

So if you wanted to tell someone that the Bible

is true, how would you frame that conversation?

To frame a conversation about the truth of the Bible, you could focus on,

one, personal testimony, sharing how the Bible has impacted

your life and faith journey. Two, historical and archaeological

evidence, highlighting supporting evidence for biblical events and figures.

Three, coherence and consistency, emphasizing the consistency of

the Bible's message and its impact over centuries. Four, prophecies

and fulfillment, discussing fulfilled prophecies as a testament to his

divine inspiration. Approaching the conversation with respect and

openness is crucial. What are some of you know, I love the conversation about

prophecies. I think it's a a cool conversation. I've been I've

been reading quite a bit in

Revelation and the book of John and other places like that.

Give me the top three prophecies

that were mentioned in the Bible that have come

true that, I guess, validate some of the truth that we know in the

Bible. Certainly. Here are three significant

prophecies often cited. One, birth of Jesus. The

prophecy in Isaiah seven fourteen about a virgin bearing a son is

seen as fulfilled in the birth of Jesus, affirming his messianic identity.

Two, destruction of the temple. Jesus predicted the destruction of the

Jerusalem temple, Matthew twenty four two, which occurred in seventy

AD. Three, the rise and fall of nations. Daniel's prophecies

about the rise and fall of empires, Daniel two seven, are often

interpreted as corresponding to historical events. These prophecies are frequently

discussed as evidence of the Bible's reliability. I love

that you brought up the destruction of the temple in 8070. I've come to

believe and think that a good portion of the book of

Revelation occurred during that first

century AD, not something that's

gonna be projected to occur way out in, you know, the times that we're in

today. What are a few things that can prove

that many of the prophecies that were in Revelation were

really directed at things that occurred in first century AD,

specifically around AD seventy.

The view that many prophecies in Revelation were fulfilled in the first century,

particularly around AD seventy, is known as preterism.

Here are a few supporting points. The immediacy of the prophecies.

Revelation mentions events that were soon to take place. Rev one

one, indicating a near term fulfillment. Two, the context of

persecution. Revelation addresses the persecution of Christians, which

was intense in the first century under Roman rule. Three,

symbolism relating to Rome. Imagery and revelation, like the beast, is

often interpreted as symbolic of the Roman Empire and its emperors.

These points suggest that many prophecies could have been referring to events contemporary to

the original audience. I I I

enjoy having conversations with you because you as we said

earlier, there's no emotion. There's no

there's no not not a great deal of,

religion or anything like that. You're just stating the facts that

you have in your system. Correct?

Exactly. I'm here to provide information based on the data I've been trained

on without personal opinions or emotions. I'm glad you're enjoying

our conversations. You know, when you get in, especially church

settings and and religions and things like that, many

people can get pretty emotional about it. Right?

Yes. Religious and spiritual topics often hold deep personal

significance, so it's natural for emotions to be involved. These

discussions can be very meaningful and passionate for many people.

One of the things I've really enjoyed is within our podcast, seek, go, create over

the course of 300 episodes as we've discussed quite a bit

about the positive things, the negative, and challenges

related to leadership in both business and ministry.

What are some things that you can see that we can do beyond

this three hundredth episode? I mean, we've been doing this for five or six years.

We've enjoyed it. We're gonna continue doing interviews with people,

but what are some other opportunities that we should look for?

To continue growing and engaging your audience, you might explore,

one, interactive content, incorporating live q and a

sessions, webinars, or virtual events to engage listeners more directly.

Two, diverse perspectives, Expanding the range of guests to include a

variety of voices from different backgrounds and experiences. Three, thematic

series. Creating focus series on specific leadership challenges,

trends, or innovations. Four, community building. Fostering a

community around your podcast through social media groups or forums

where listeners can share insights and experiences. These opportunities can

help keep the content fresh and engaging for your audience.

Those are good. We can continue that conversation. A few things before

we finish up. You know, there are probably some people listening

in that may have been surprised

that we could have had this kind of dialogue for, you

know, going on thirty five, forty minutes. Is

this the future? Are we gonna see this more and more?

It's very likely. As AI technology continues to advance,

more people will engage in meaningful, in-depth conversations with

AI. These interactions can be valuable for brainstorming, learning,

and problem solving. As AI becomes more integrated into daily life,

these types of conversations may become more common and impactful.

If someone's listening in and they have never

used AI or chat as a tool

and they're considering it, but they might be a little bit fearful, what are

some things you could tell them to kinda get started to use

AI in their in their everyday life or their research or their business

projects or their leadership projects? Starting to use AI

can be simple and rewarding. Here are a few tips. One, begin with

familiar tasks. Start by using AI for straightforward tasks

like setting reminders, managing schedules, or drafting emails.

Two, use trusted platforms. Experiment with well known AI

tools that have clear guidelines and user friendly interfaces. Three.

Start small. Use AI for specific projects or research tasks

to see how it can assist you. Four. Stay curious. Keep

exploring different AI applications and how they might benefit your personal or

professional life. Embracing AI gradually can help build

confidence and demonstrate its practical benefits. You

know, there are some other AI, models

and tools out there. Do you have an awareness of others

outside of OpenAI or ChatGPT? Yes. I'm aware of

other AI models and tools. Some notable ones include Google's

BERT, IBM's Watson, and Microsoft's Azure AI. These

platforms offer various capabilities for natural language processing,

machine learning, and more. Each has its strengths and is used for different

applications in research, business, and everyday tasks.

And I actually think there are some others that may

have come online after that 2021 date

that now Google and others. It is a very fast moving

and rapidly changing environment. Absolutely.

The field of AI is evolving quickly. New models and tools are being

developed constantly, bringing new capabilities and improvements.

Staying updated can be challenging, but also exciting as new

advancements open up even more possibilities. I

think this has been a great conversation. What are some things

that you would like to tell our audience, our audience of leaders, or

our audience of leaders in business and ministry who have

possibly been with us for all this time? But what's a message that you would

just like to share before we finish up? Congratulations again

on this milestone. To the audience of leaders in business and ministry,

embrace continuous learning and adaptability. The landscape is

always evolving, and your willingness to grow and innovate is crucial.

Continue to lead with integrity, purpose, and compassion, and remember that

your influence can create positive change in your communities. Keep

seeking, growing, and creating. Thank you for working

that in. I appreciate that. I've enjoyed the conversation. It

has been, fascinating, and, you and I have been

working together for some time. And I look forward to

many, many more, episodes and and,

I I guess we'll call them situations

where you and I can work together on brainstorming and writing and things

like that. Thank you for joining us here. Thank

you, Tim. It's been a pleasure chatting with you. I'm looking forward to many more

conversations and collaborations in the future. Here's to continued growth and

creativity. Yes. Excellent. Well, thank you for that

interview. It has been five years since our first episodes, and we

have an arc that's going to be starting with this one here.

This is our three hundredth, and we're gonna be bringing back two of our most

popular guests over the next two episodes to see what's changed

and where we're headed. First up, in episode three zero one next week, Jim

Cook, one of the original six at Netflix and a Silicon

Valley veteran, joined us to talk about the last five years

in tech, leadership, and business. More importantly,

he's sharing his predictions for the next five. You won't want to miss

this conversation. So we will see

everyone next week.