If you want to charge more than €20,000 for your coaching, then you need to stop playing small and you need to solve bigger problems.
Speaker ASo in today's episode, we're going to make sure that you're going to be able to deliver way better results to your clients, that they are going to be able to pay you so much more, and that you're going to be able to make a tremendous difference for the people that you choose to work with.
Speaker AAnd what we're going to talk about today is making sure that we break out your avatar.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BAnd before we do that, let's get personal.
Speaker BI'm so happy that we like to do stuff together.
Speaker BWe have shared interest, and I think it's so much fun.
Speaker BI'm really valuing that.
Speaker BWe spent time working together, but we also spent 99 of our free time together because we like doing the same things, which means that in the summer, we play a lot of golf.
Speaker BWe like playing golf, both of us, and that's what we do.
Speaker BWe spend a lot of time on the golf course.
Speaker BAnd we just spoke about a couple of weeks ago that we need to do something in the winter because we're not getting enough exercise.
Speaker BAnd we decided that we're going to start playing tennis.
Speaker BSo we just started last week.
Speaker BWe started on tennis training.
Speaker BAnd I'm sore.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AAnd I love it.
Speaker AAnd I got to express my love to you for your birthday, buy you a new tennis racket.
Speaker AIt's so important to design the life that we really want to live and how to combine it.
Speaker AAnd yes, we are spending a lot of time together.
Speaker A99% of time in work, we're spending it together.
Speaker AIt's privilege to be able to have and share a life on so many different levels.
Speaker AI'm beyond grateful for that.
Speaker AAbsolutely.
Speaker BThis episode is for you, who always feel like you're attracting people who have no money, who don't want to buy, or who's not committed to the process.
Speaker BSince coaches are people who wants to help other people.
Speaker BA lot of people when they're choosing who to work with, they are choosing to work with people.
Speaker BWho needs help the most.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BWho's the most broken person I can fix?
Speaker BThey want to be the savior.
Speaker BAnd being a savior is not going to help anyone.
Speaker BBeing a savior automatically make you want look for the person who's the weakest or the person who needs the most help.
Speaker BYou're looking for the one who's in the biggest problems.
Speaker AIt also, at the first glance, that might sound like a really good idea.
Speaker ABecause you can see a lot of demand.
Speaker BYeah, but.
Speaker ABut the problem is demand isn't always a good thing, especially if it's a very broad demand.
Speaker AAnd if we're talking about, let's say.
Speaker ABecause here's a personal belief that I am.
Speaker APeople who are homeless and are struggling, they deserve a home and they deserve another lifestyle.
Speaker AAm I going to be the coach that helps homeless people?
Speaker ANo.
Speaker AThey will never be able to afford my coaching.
Speaker ASo I first need to realize that, Okay.
Speaker AI need to take care of me before I can take care of anyone else.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AAnd that's the same thing when it comes to business.
Speaker ASo just because you see that there is a person in need of help doesn't mean that you should help them.
Speaker ANo, it means that you could help them.
Speaker AAnd if you have a big passion, I mean, we have a big passion to help kids all over the world.
Speaker AAnd we've donated hundreds and hundreds of thousands of euros in the last couple of years to help kids.
Speaker AAnd we love that.
Speaker ABut if we based our coaching business, that.
Speaker AThat was the main part of the core business.
Speaker AThe kids can't pay.
Speaker AThat's why we give them money.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ABecause they literally have none.
Speaker AIf you have a huge mission in your life to help a certain individual or certain group of people, then do that.
Speaker AGo for it.
Speaker ALet it fuel you.
Speaker ABut let's make sure that you first of all target a very specific problem that is, number one, solvable.
Speaker AThat you have congruency within that is also driving you.
Speaker AThat you like the kind of problems that comes with solving that problem, but also that they have freaking purchasing power.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AThere is some bank behind the people who has this problem.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BSo it's not enough to see who needs help.
Speaker BYou also need to see who needs help but can actually pay for it.
Speaker BWho can afford it, who has the purchasing power.
Speaker BAnd then another thing I think that also keep coaches attracting the wrong people is that they are not daring to give a bold promise.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BThey're not daring to help with something huge.
Speaker BSo they're trying to avoid giving guarantees, avoid giving big, taking on too much and come to.
Speaker BI understand it.
Speaker BBecause it comes from being uncertain about yourself.
Speaker BWhat if I'm not good enough?
Speaker BWhat if I can't deliver?
Speaker BWhat if they will not be happy?
Speaker BWhat if I'm not living up to.
Speaker AYeah, that would be one fear.
Speaker AThe other one is imposter syndrome.
Speaker AThat they genuinely believe that.
Speaker AWho am I to say this bold thing?
Speaker AIt comes from the same place, which is fear.
Speaker AIn the beginning, when taking on a Bold promise.
Speaker AThe first action shouldn't be to shake the fear.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AIt should be to build bravery or be courageous enough to act in spite of fear and then do it because it's important.
Speaker AI can't believe that Martin Luther King said I have a dream because he felt that this is going to be an easy dream to create.
Speaker AIt was the start of the revolution that helped people in America.
Speaker AWe need to dare to be bold.
Speaker AI understand that that's scary, but being scared isn't the problem.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BIf you want to charge, you also need to solve something that is a big problem.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BAnd let me give you an example of where this goes really wrong is, hey, I help avatar get clarity.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BHow much are people going to pay to get clarity?
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BPeople don't pay for clarity.
Speaker BThey pay for solving the problem.
Speaker BThe clarity is what you do in the first meeting.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AThe clarity is what helps them understand that this is what I really want.
Speaker BThat's marketing.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BThat's your marketing or your first meeting.
Speaker BThat's not what you sell.
Speaker BYou sell the result to it.
Speaker BSo you need to dare to sell outcomes.
Speaker BReal outcomes, real results.
Speaker BAnd another thing, be specific about what is it specific thing you do?
Speaker BBecause again, too many are trying to not be specific enough because they're afraid.
Speaker BI have a limiting belief that if I'm being specific, I'm losing out.
Speaker BBut what you do by not being specific is that we don't understand the value you're actually providing.
Speaker BMakes it really hard to see you have the right niche, you have the right avatar or not the right avatar, but you have the right outcome that you saw, the right solution, the right everything.
Speaker BBut there is one thing that makes the absolute biggest difference.
Speaker BTo stop attracting the wrong people.
Speaker BThe broke people and the people who don't really want to make things happening.
Speaker BAnd can you share that?
Speaker AYeah, absolutely.
Speaker ASo let's look at it as four step thingy where you need to decide to what level am I going to speak?
Speaker AWhat level are the people that going to speak to?
Speaker AWhere are they on this ladder?
Speaker ABecause you can start talking to people at the bottom.
Speaker BBecause a part of niching is who you speak to.
Speaker BAnd I believe most people who speak about niching, they're looking into am I niching to what this person?
Speaker BWomen, 40 plus or school teachers.
Speaker BSo they're looking this direction in niching.
Speaker BOne thing is niching, but now we're adding another layer called avatar.
Speaker BWho specific is the avatar?
Speaker BSo you can talk to school teachers but the avatar can look different and that's the ladder you're talking about.
Speaker ALet's say that you help engineers.
Speaker AYou can help engineers that are in school, that have graduated, that have been an engineer for 30 years and wants to start their own business.
Speaker AOr you could speak to how to retire as an engineer.
Speaker ASo very different stages in life.
Speaker AHere we are starting to break out avatars.
Speaker AAnd if we were to do our own niche, which is we help coaches, we have people at the bottom.
Speaker AAnd where we can argue that the people who are at the bottom are people who are brand new, doesn't know how to start their business, whatever it is, we can define it as people at the bottom.
Speaker BI would even add to that, that they are people doing because they need to make money.
Speaker BSo they.
Speaker BI'm broke, I don't have any money, but I need to make money on something.
Speaker BAnd coaching seems like a great.
Speaker AEveryone is doing coaching.
Speaker BSo I should probably do that.
Speaker AI should do that as well.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AWe can define the bottom, the people at the very lowest level.
Speaker AAnd for most people, the bottom should absolutely not be the people that you're targeting for your business, because you're going to struggle a lot with people not being able to pay.
Speaker AWe don't want to dis these people.
Speaker AIt's not about it.
Speaker AWe can't afford to help them because we don't have the assets to do so because they can't pay.
Speaker ASo we need to look further, which means that we can look for people who are a little bit in the slipping area.
Speaker AThey are doing well, but there is something that keeps them from the next stage, which is stable.
Speaker ALet's discuss stable.
Speaker AWhen I define stable coaches, it's all of those coaches who make €5,000amonth or more.
Speaker AThey've got stuff figured out.
Speaker AAnd the people who are then slipping are then people who have made €5,000 but can't do it again and again.
Speaker ABottom, we have slipping, we have stable, and then at the top we have the leaders of the industry.
Speaker AWhen we're looking at the leaders of the industry within our niche, which are coaches, they're doing like €84,000amonth, which is a million euros a year and above.
Speaker AThat's already within the top 1% of coaches.
Speaker AThe stable level could be people who are stable on a plateau, which is, I've reached €30,000 and I'm stable at €30,000, it seems like I can't get further.
Speaker ASo then you need to look into, okay, what's the common plateau that my avatar is on?
Speaker AWhere would I be happy to act and to Help and to make a real impact.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AAnd one more thing.
Speaker ALet's say that you speak to stable people.
Speaker AYou are going to get all the slipping people and you're going to get all the people at the bottom as well.
Speaker ABecause the people at the bottom and the people are slipping, they are aspiring, which means that they're looking towards whatever it is that they want to achieve.
Speaker AAnd it's super important to understand that all human beings are aspiring, they're looking towards where is the result in the outcome that I want long term, which means that they are going to follow you and they're going to be around you and they're going to want to buy stuff from you.
Speaker AAnd I can give you an even better example.
Speaker AIn our business, we help coaches to go from €5,000 to €30,000 per month.
Speaker AThat is our core thing that we do.
Speaker A95% of the people that we meet haven't done 5K yet.
Speaker AAnd that is an important note to take.
Speaker AEven though we speak to people doing more than €5,000amonth, we still get 19 out of 20 have never made €5,000 before.
Speaker ASo with that said, we have a different program as well for beginners, for people who wants to get to that €5,000 per month level, but we don't market it, we don't talk about it openly.
Speaker AI am now, because I'm giving an example, but in our marketing, we're speaking specifically about one specific problem, individually and privately.
Speaker AIt's a different thing.
Speaker ABecause why Avatar?
Speaker AIt's not.
Speaker ABecause you can only help people who have gotten this far and everyone that hasn't gotten this far, you're not going to offer them anything.
Speaker AThat's not what I say.
Speaker AWhat I say is that you need to have a very specific marketing because otherwise you're going to shoot blanks because people won't hear you, because you're not specific enough.
Speaker AYou are not addressing a problem that is consistent so that when people follow you, they understand what you're all about.
Speaker ASo you need to be consistent about what it is you speak of, what problems it is that you solve, what solutions you bring to the table so that you can start building a following.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker APeople following the journey of what does it mean to become or to do or to have what you help your clients to get.
Speaker BSo when we looking into what is the reason that you are attracting the wrong people, it is in your language.
Speaker AYes.
Speaker BYou're speaking to the wrong level of person because you probably unconsciously know, I want to have this level of people on the Ladder.
Speaker BBut I keep speaking to these people.
Speaker BIf you want to have a certain level of people, you need to understand their language patterns.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BIf you speak to a lower level, you'll not get a higher level.
Speaker AYes.
Speaker ASuper important.
Speaker AJust want to post it because it's so important.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AIf I were to speak to beginners coaches, then I would never have anyone that makes money in their coaching business to follow me.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BSo if you want to understand the two lower levels, the button and the slipping level, those are people at a stage in their life within every niche and within what you're doing.
Speaker BThose are people who are currently looking or more driven by away from values they want to avoid.
Speaker BThey want to avoid needing to go to a job.
Speaker BThey want to avoid needing to going bankrupt.
Speaker BThey want to avoid getting a divorce.
Speaker AThey want emotions.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BThey want to go burnout with stress or something.
Speaker BThey want to avoid something because they're so close to the pain that they really are looking for the avoid language.
Speaker BIf you're going for people who are stable and leaders within what you're talking to, these people are not in an immediate danger, which means they're looking more towards pulling, which means towards values.
Speaker BWhat they want, like the goal they want, the thing they want.
Speaker BSo depending on what level we're speaking to, we need to speak either away from language or at that two words.
Speaker BLanguage.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BThat's step number one.
Speaker BWe need to understand the level and the language.
Speaker BWe also need to understand the words we using.
Speaker BAn example we saw from one of our clients is that she's a life coach and she helps people who are stuck.
Speaker BAnd she had the problem that everyone who came to her was just broke without a job.
Speaker BThat's literally where they were stuck that were without a job and just mentally burned out.
Speaker BWe realized that her language was a very caring taking care of people, like, very soft and oh, I understand.
Speaker BIt's hard when you feel like that.
Speaker BAnd it's really pampering language in her because that was natural to her to speak.
Speaker AVery pampering, caring and comforting.
Speaker BBut who is it that you're attracting speaking like that?
Speaker BYou're always comforting.
Speaker BYou're attracting people who look for anyone.
Speaker AWho needs a hug.
Speaker BYeah, who needs a hug.
Speaker BSomeone who can pamper me.
Speaker BBut the problem she had was her clients.
Speaker BFirst of all, always the same story.
Speaker BI don't have money, I don't have a job.
Speaker BBut also the second thing, those clients she had that was in that avatar, they were all like, yeah, but I can't do it right now.
Speaker BThey weren't really doing the work.
Speaker BThey were having excuses all the time for not moving.
Speaker BAnd she was so frustrated about that.
Speaker BBut it was about her language.
Speaker BYou get the people you attract.
Speaker BYou get the people you speak to.
Speaker BYou don't have the wrong people, you have the people you attract.
Speaker BSo she needed to change the language, which meant she started to talking to people who weren't job and only using examples from what it would look like in situations where they were at in their life.
Speaker BAnd she was not speaking in a pampering way but an inspiring way.
Speaker BOr like stop wasting time doing this and stop like a little harsher.
Speaker BThen she started to attract people who didn't want it to be pampered but just wanted to have the tools and the support and the next steps.
Speaker BIt's about your language.
Speaker AEverything about marketing is about mastering language.
Speaker BYes.
Speaker AAnd everything about business is to master numbers.
Speaker ASo we've given you a lot already on how to kind of start the deep dive into okay, so who's my avatar?
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Speaker AAnd you'll be able to flush out your own avatar and start making more money faster in your coaching business.
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Speaker AAgain.
Speaker BSee you soon.
Speaker ASam.