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Scott Lewton and Kevin L.

Jackson with you here on supply chain now.

Welcome to today's show.

Kevin, how you doing today?

Hey, man, I am doing great.

You know, this manufacturing stuff is really getting me hype.

And today's.

And today's guest, I mean, wow, just go to the top, right?

That's right.

We booked him through his agent, pulled him from his rock and roll tour.

But you mentioned manufacturing.

So, folks, we got a big show here today where we focus on a really interesting intersection of cybersecurity manufacturing, like Kevin said, but also all in the aviation industry.

Right.

So we're going to be diving into a variety of intriguing topics with a cyber pro on the move, including how the tidal wave of innovative digital transformation has changed the game when it comes to cybersecurity, especially in the manufacturer industry.

So, folks, stay tuned for a great conversation here today.

Kevin, we're going to promise and deliver here today, right?

Absolutely.

I can't wait.

Well, so we should add that today's episode is presented in partnership with our friends at Microsoft, who's doing some pretty cool things in industry, helping to move us all forward successfully.

More on that a bit later, but with what we said, let's introduce our featured guest here today.

He is the pride of Saxy, Texas.

And we'll tell you how to spell that later.

Our guest today is an experienced information security professional with a proven track record of supporting organizations ranging from tech startups to Fortune 500 companies to the US Department of Defense.

Get this.

He's been featured in top cyber news Magazines 2022 list of 40 under 40.

He's also a proud veteran of the United States army, where he served on active duty as a military intelligence analyst.

Please join us in welcoming in Thomas Marr, senior cybersystem security engineer at Lockheed Martin.

Thomas, how you doing?

Hey, how's it going, Scott?

I'm doing great.

Proud to be here.

Hope you're doing well, too.

We're doing wonderful and great to have you, Kevin.

Kevin and I.

Kevin.

We've been looking forward to this conversation, huh?

Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, uh, you know, Lockheed Martin leads the world.

It's the world's largest defense manufacturer, I believe.

Well, you know, I'm going to see if y'all know your stuff here in a second, because I've pulled some platforms, some iconic platforms that they're responsible for.

But before we get there, I got two warm up questions I want to pose to you, Thomas.

The first one, some folks, when they hear saxy, Texas, which is, I think, your hometown, they may be assuming how it's spelled, but it's not spelled like it sounds.

How's it spelled?

It's spelled s a c h s e.

A lot of people get the name wrong, though, so.

And I don't blame him.

Well, I don't blame either.

I had, when I, when first met Thomas and found out where he's from, I googled it and I'm like, man, that just does not, it doesn't connect.

But it's not a really big town either.

How about how many folks live there, you think, Thomas?

I haven't seen the numbers recently, but I know that it's grown a lot since I grew up there.

It's grown rapidly, too rapidly, in my opinion.

But, you know, is what it is.

And it's part of that growth, huh?

No, I like, I like having a small town feel.

I've been told I'm an old soul in that way.

But, you know, it is what it is.

It is what it is.

But it is also part of Saksi, Texas, part of the Dallas Fort Worth metroplex, which is some really cool things going on across that metro area.

One more quick question for you, Thomas and Kevin.

You're going to kick out this, too.

So Thomas is a fellow veteran, as I mentioned in his intro, having served in the army, I got to ask you, Thomas, because, you know, I'm an air force veteran.

Kevin is a Navy veteran and former naval aviator.

So he's, he's the cooler one out of the two of us.

But, Thomas, what was one of your favorite experiences in the army as you served in uniformity?

Sure.

Serving uniform, particularly as it relates to our discussion topics today, I had the opportunity to serve an honorable mission as a signals intelligence analyst.

I never deployed, luckily, but I was able to serve my country from home and take care of my family as well.

So I'm proud of my time there.

I also had to learn anything that emits a signal.

I was expected to continuously grow my knowledge of.

And for me, that's what started that mindset of continuous growth, which is something that's imperative in this industry, in my opinion.

So the continuous learning.

Yeah, absolutely.

The continuous growth mindset, I'd say the army was responsible for that.

So I have them to thank for that.

In terms of the knowledge that I gained from the army, there was a lot of overlapping knowledge that allowed me to transition specifically into a cyber security focused role, whereas I had security related responsibilities beforehand.

I was able to get into a more focused role when I transitioned from the military.

Non tech related, I'd say, being night shift during my time at AIT, because most people are like, night shift, that's terrible.

Which.

Reasonably so, but that's when all the drill instructors were asleep.

So he never got picked on.

You shared a lot of.

We're going to circle back to that, because we're going to ask you in a minute how a lot of that background contributed to you landing your current position in just a second.

But Kevin, he shares some cool things there on a serious note.

He talked about the power of the continuous learning mindset, which, especially in technology.

Well, for that matter, if you're in supply chain technology or leadership, it doesn't matter what field you're in.

That's really important.

And then he talked about kind of tongue in cheek, how cool it is to be on night shift, where you might got away with a thing or two.

Kevin, what'd you hear there from our friend Thomas?

Well, first of all, I'll forgive him for being in the army.

You know, it's okay.

The only reason I'm doing that, because he's a fellow siginter, right.

I did a lot of sigging when I was in the navy.

So those are low Earth orbit type of collectors, so I can relate there.

Well, so let me ask y'all, let's.

Let's play a little platform trivia here, right?

All right.

Um.

I've got three famous, iconic aircraft that Lockheed Martin is responsible for bringing to the world, right?

C 130 Hercules, which I think is still the longest, the longest military vehicle of any kind in production, like 50 or 60 years, I believe.

F 16.

Yeah.

Continuously product produce.

That's right.

Thomas, you know your stuff.

Now I can tell.

The f 16 fighting falcon.

Right.

Incredible.

One of the world's most dominant fighters, air force platform.

And then, of course, more newer, the f 35 lightning two, which has been deployed across a couple different services.

Kevin, out of those, Europe being you being the pilot of those three, what's your favorite out of those three or others from Lockheed Martin?

Well, you may be surprised, but I'm going to say c 130, because the c 130 I flew up in the living room of the c 130 up in the cockpit, really, from the Philippines to Australia, and I was celebrating, and we went to Perth, where I celebrated the 4 July in the middle of the winter on the beach.

So the trick on the c 130 was just, it was just a great time in my life.

So I.

I'm gonna have to say to c 130 and you.

I was at.

I was in VRC 50.

It was an 80 c 130.

Okay, well, so, so our listeners and viewers out there, if you're unfamiliar with the c 130, it is called a Hercules.

It is a cargo aircraft with four props, and it is incredibly durable, versatile, and it's got an iconic look to it.

You've probably seen it in the past.

Thomas, are those platforms or others?

Because you got helicopters and then other platforms that the company is responsible for.

What's one of your favorite?

That's.

That's a really tough one.

I don't think it'd be right to give a preference personally, but I think they're all great.

I think they have their own, all their own advantages, and I don't think you could go wrong with any of them.

I'm with you.

If you use them for their intended purpose, of course.

A little disclaimer.

Important disclaimer.

Okay, so let's shift gears a bit here.

I want to go back to kind of your professional journey before we dive deeper into manufacturing cybersecurity in the aviation industry.

So you were touched on a minute ago about how your background helped contribute to you landing your current position at Lockheed Martin.

Can you elaborate a little bit more on that?

Yeah.

So one of the things that I learned during my time in service was computer networking.

I'd say that's one of the fundamental aspects in cybersecurity in general.

That and computer architecture.

So, yeah, computer architecture, computer networking, and operating systems, I'd say, are the three most fundamental things they need to learn to get a job in tech.

I was also fortunate to learn some Osint.

I took an OsinT course whenever I was in the army, and I learned some exploitation techniques.

I think the very first one I learned was SQL injection.

So I had a, I had a really good time in the army and learning what was relevant to my current role.

Okay, Kevin, I need your help interpreting everything that Thomas just shared there.

You know this.

I'm the operational.

I'm the supply chain guy here.

Kevin, what'd you hear there from Thomas?

Well, first of all, from a IT security point of view, looks like he really enjoys getting down in the weeds, right?

I hear that he really likes that.

Maybe I'm wrong, but he likes that defensive physician trying to protect the network and the applications from ATT and CK.

Is that what you really enjoy?

Yeah, I definitely would consider myself more of a blue teamer.

I'd say your assessment's correct.

Well, so let's keep going.

Let's go right down that topic a little more.

So tell us about your job.

Whatever you can share.

As a senior cybersystem security engineer at Lockheed Martin's skunk works, Thomas, what do you do?

So, like you said, there's limits as to what I can talk about.

When it comes to skunkworks, it's one of the most secretive engineering teams in the world.

It means I get to do a lot of cool things, and it also means having a security clearance that I'm a lot more accountable than the average citizen.

But, yeah.

What you describe, cybersecurity engineering, getting into the weeds.

I feel like it safely described that without getting in trouble.

That's good.

Cause I don't want to get in trouble with any big corporation, with an army of attorneys or the us government.

Thomas?

Yeah, but me neither.

You neither.

That's right.

Kevin, you were about to say something.

Yeah.

So.

Thomas.

I mean, like, in mine, there's aviation, and aviation has really changed a lot.

And as a cyber security professional, what's your role?

So my role currently at Lockheed Martin is a platform security engineer.

I'd say my responsibilities are relatively broad, but I feel like if I was to describe my role, that'd probably be the best descriptor.

Yeah, that sounds good.

And we don't want you to describe any more details, Thomas, because, as I mentioned, we got national security factors at play here.

But I appreciate what you do.

There's an army of folks, and I'm sure you all have a full plate protecting all that infrastructure from the bad actors out there.

And, gosh, there's no shortage of them.

I want to pose this question to you, Thomas.

Kevin and I were talking about this pre show.

How does information technology cybersecurity differ from operational technology cybersecurity?

Your thoughts here.

Thomas?

Sure.

So operational technology.

I'll start with that.

So operational technology utilizes proprietary software to perform their function autonomously.

I'd say the most common example we see is industrial control systems, or ICS.

Those ICS deploy SCADA systems using programmable logic controllers to pick up information from sensors and make adjustments accordingly, like temperature or machine productivity, whereas it uses, well, operating systems that are more commonly known, like Windows and iOS.

And it's more focused on network maintenance and applications and systems testing.

So that's where the two differ.

Okay, Kevin, that makes a lot of sense.

I think a lot of folks, I think a lot more folks could better understand the difference between it and OT, especially from a cyber standpoint, huh?

Yeah, absolutely.

As a.

As a back home engineer, did you do one more than the other, or is he said, your work is blood, or do you sort of straddle the line?

So I would say straddle line.

If by straddling the line, you mean a little bit of both, I'd say I can safely say that, yeah.

Outstanding.

Outstanding.

All right, so I got to pose this question to you, Thomas.

A year or so ago, a study by dragos.

I think I'm saying that, right, a manufacturing industry OT cybersecurity company.

Well, they said that 89%, based on their research of manufacturers, had limited visibility into their operational technology systems right back to the OT, making them easier targets for threat actors and hampering their productivity and efficiency.

Thomas, what's your take here?

Do you tend to agree with that, with those findings?

Your thoughts?

Absolutely.

And I was actually able to read that study, too, and personally, it doesn't surprise me.

To me.

That's why sending system and network logs to a centralized monitoring software, like a SiM, to contextualize information when it comes to security, is recommended.

And to do that, you need to make sure you keep an inventory to maximize that visibility and know where those logs are coming from.

Interesting.

And, Kevin, visibility has been the name of the game in so many different ways in recent years.

Certainly supply chain visibility, manufacturing visibility, as it applies to cybersecurity and more.

Your thoughts here, Kevin?

Well, first, you know, that maybe comes through Robert.

A little acronym SAM was shot for security information and event management.

This is really tools that help you detect, analyze, and respond to security threats.

This is a very important, critical tool when it comes to cybersecurity, especially in manufacturing.

SIEM is really mostly used for it, and there's very few tools that are designed to support OT.

And I think that's one reason why you see that great issue in that.

Report in terms of limited visibility, which is a big challenge.

Visibility.

Exactly.

Excellent.

Excellent point there.

All right, let's talk about another big trend Thomas gets you weigh in on.

So, over the past decade or so, the manufacturing industry has undergone rapid digital transformation.

That's Kevin's favorite word.

It's starting to be my favorite word.

Embracing innovations such as digital twins, robotics, automation, machine learning, artificial intelligence, cloud computing, another one of Kevin's favorites.

He wrote the book on that, at least one of them.

And the industrial Internet of Things.

Right.

It's an exciting time to be in industry, certainly in manufacturing and certainly in the aviation industry.

But all of those advancements changes the cybersecurity game.

Weigh in on what you see and how the threat continues to evolve.

So it may be excited for that industry, but for cybersecurity, it's extremely stressful.

I'll leave with that.

So it can both positively and negatively affect cybersecurity.

I'll start with the positive.

It allows for innovation in the security space.

All those buzzwords that you mentioned.

However, the stressor part is where business leaders are a bit too eager to push out a new technology without fully understanding the security implications, which results in a lifetime of utilizing bolt on security instead of addressing an underlying systemic problem beforehand.

That's my take.

Yep.

So, Kevin, not only does it keep cyber professionals up at night like Tom's kind of having a little fun with the beginning of his response, but, you know, all of those new technologies, it puts a lot of pressure on the workforce, right?

Because going back to that continuous learning mindset, they've got to get up to speed on how to apply it, not just for the sake of applying it.

Right, but to get the results and to be able to deliver and produce efficiently and successfully and being able to know how these technologies operate within each other, let alone their companies.

And let me just add another challenge, since we're talking about friction points out there, trying to do so in a secure environment, and not just cyber, but we're going to talk about in a minute about supply chain security in a broader sense as well.

So, Kevin, it's not easy on hardly any of us these days, despite the gains we're making as an industry, huh?

Well, no, not at all.

You think about platforms like DF 35 lightning and advances like artificial intelligence.

I mean, all of the sensors on that platform are leveraging artificial intelligence in order to make sense of the creates, give situational awareness to the pilot and to the battle force.

And AI itself is threatening, has cyber threats that have to be protected.

And this is even more of a danger when you're operating in denied airspace.

So talk about headaches.

Absolutely.

Plenty of them to go around.

And it goes without saying, too, Thomas and Kevin.

And this is obvious, but I think it's worth calling out that in any technology transformation, of course, the good actors and the folks trying to contribute positively to the world are able to leverage all those things.

But unfortunately, that bad actors can apply that same innovative technology to doing bad things.

Right.

It's so intriguing, the cyber world, Thomas kind of the back and forth as each side starts to get an advantage.

Just the evolution of that challenge is just.

It's fascinating to me.

Yeah.

One thing you'd mention.

The Internet of things.

Well, you know, the industrial Internet of things is really underpins every activity of the DoD.

When you have autonomous vehicles running around, you have drones running around, you have radios that are connected to the Internet, or even small sensors out in the field.

You have to manage all of that, and you have to protect it against all of the associated cyber threats.

So they're.

The challenge just multiplies.

Yeah.

Every hour, I bet.

Sometimes.

I bet it feels like every minute, Thomas.

And you know, a second.

That's right.

I gotta add this, too.

As you were sharing that, Kevin, I'll tell you, we sure do love our acronyms.

Iota.

D o d o t I t.

Man, it's like a bowl Alphabet soup.

All right, so let's.

I wanna ask you about this, Thomas, and I know this is sensitive, but inquiring minds gotta know a lot of our listeners and viewers and audience members.

I bet they've heard of skunk works before.

I know I have.

To Kevin's point, earlier, at the front end, a legendary, innovative factory.

Right.

I saw some articles.

Somewhere to 85.

85% of the work at Skunk works there at Lockheed Martin is classified and performed in secrecy to protect our national security.

So, inquiring minds, again want to know, how does that affect your everyday activities?

Absolutely.

Well, to put it succinctly, it means I get to do a lot of cool stuff that I can't talk about.

Well, the most important part, having the security clearance.

And I being cognizant of your clearance levels that you're working with.

And not just at work either.

You're required to maintain a lifestyle that's considered our nation's interests.

That's more responsibility than the average citizen.

So it does affect me day to day, not just at the workplace.

Yeah.

One thing also, I would say that concourse has a big target on it.

So from a security point of view, you have multiple threat actors and nation states trying to break into your.

Into your environment.

So I'm sure that keeps you busy.

Maybe that keeps you awake at night.

Yeah, well, we have multiple teams that handle their responsibilities well.

But absolutely, it's definitely something to be cognizant of knowing that there's target on your back because of the gravity of what you're working with.

That's right.

You know, back in my air force days, I did not have a top secret clearance.

I think I had a secret clearance, right.

But I still remember the Opsec, the compusec, where you placed in files, and then, of course, when computers came along, it moved from paper files to floppy disks and stuff.

And being mindful of all that, as you said, Thomas, that is an incredible responsibility.

And I'm sure in an environment like skunk works, it takes it to a whole new level.

Kevin, your last word.

Because as a naval aviator, I bet you, I'm not sure if you ever visited skunk works after you were telling us about your C 130 ride to Perth, Australia.

I tell you, I knew that the C 130 Hercules had transported plenty of things I didn't know it had transported.

Kevin L.

Jackson, in addition to everything else, you ever visited skunk works.

Kevin, you know, I haven't had the opportunity or to proceed to visit scun works, one of those things you would love to go, but it's hard to.

Get there, hard to get in.

It's very, very, it's like the Augusta national or an incredible social club that not many people get in.

Thomas, you get to wear the green jacket, I guess.

All right, let's switch gears here.

So, aerospace parts, most know, got to meet strict quality standards and tolerances because you got lives are at risk, right?

All that requires companies to attain certifications, registrations, and a whole bunch more.

It also places a high demand on supply chain security.

Of course, any supply chain is only as strong as its weakest link across its ecosystem.

So, Thomas, can you share a few thoughts as to how supply chain security is addressed at Lockheed Martin?

So, as a government contractor, Lockheed Martin is required to follow Nisanner Dash 53, which does have contain security information regarding supply chain.

But as a company, Lockheed Martin himself also has a supply chain risk management team.

And the supply chain risk management team enforces a supplier code of conduct regarding all purchase orders made by Lockheed Martin.

Other ways that Lockheed Martin addresses supply chain security include recommendations they give on implementing physical security safeguards and an insider threat program.

And it sounds like to me, Kevin, it's a mixture of protocol, policy, probably technology.

Of course, the teams deployed to ensure that there's supply chain security across the massive ecosystem that makes up the Lockheed Martin global supply chain community.

Your thoughts here?

Kevin?

Yeah, I think one of the biggest challenges is managing the IT or network connections between Blackheed Martin and its suppliers.

I know that the Vod leverages system or policies called CMMC, which is a cybersecurity maturity model certification that's required of all DoD contractors and their suppliers.

I think that goes a long way towards protecting the cybersecurity of the supply chain water supply mesh, as I like to call it.

Yes, that's one of your favorite words.

So a great call out, too.

Allison Kreachy Giddens, who leads a aviation manufacturing company and machine shop in the metro Atlanta area.

Kevin, fellow supply chain, now co host here, has become quite the leader in the whole CMMC movement, especially to your point, how that helps to navigate and govern the defense supply base between the public sector, the private sector, and help protect that whole ecosystem as well.

Some interesting discussions that she has been leading there.

All right, one other thing to call out, because while Thomas being a cyber pro, he is a cyber rock and roll star that he is, really focuses, I think, a lot of his efforts around supply chain cybersecurity.

Right.

But supply chain security, goodness gracious, is not from the faint of heart in a more, in a fuller sense.

Right.

Cargo theft is up.

Cyber attacks have increased and gotten more complex.

Geopolitical threats abound.

Goodness gracious.

We've got to continue to evolve as an industry and change how supply chain management is done and protected.

And thankfully, we've got some smart folks like Thomas and Kevin, the technologists out there that's helping us to do that in many ways.

Kevin, last word before we leave supply chain security, and maybe the technology side of that last word.

And I'm going to talk about the cloud, especially from a manufacturer perspective.

No, I think it's really important to understand that the supply chain chain also includes your information supply chain, and one of the most vulnerable areas in any supply chain is software.

So I'm sure those who really focuses, that's something Thomas and his team focuses on, no doubt.

Thomas, that's a pretty safe hunch, huh?

That's pretty safe hunch, indeed.

All right.

This is called interviewing someone with a top secret national clearance, folks, there's only certain things we can talk about, understandably.

So, again, we're having a little fun with it.

But, hey, that's the importance of national security.

So let's talk about modern manufacturing data.

It's often stored in the cloud.

Right.

But some say aerospace companies are generally discouraged from using cloud storage due to the immense security challenges.

Now, I imagine the incredible benefits of cloud technology.

I bet Kevin, I bet that gets his vote, too, are too good to pass up.

So how do you overcome those security concerns so you can leverage more of the cloud and all the manufacturer goes on at Lockheed Martin.

Absolutely.

So when Lockheed Martin utilizes cloud resources, which they do, I can say that they use a cyber resiliency level framework that measures their cyber cybersecurity resiliency when utilizing those cloud resources.

More specifically, there's four levels.

Level one being the least secure.

For being the most secure.

Consider things like visibility we were talking about earlier regarding OT and it and SIM, cyber hygiene, cyber requirements, testing and evaluation, architecture, and information sharing.

Lots of layers of security.

Right.

So kind of what I'm hearing as the ops guy here, so that they can lean in and leverage all the goodness and innovation that the cloud brings in efficiencies and productivity sharing information that cloud enables.

Kevin, what did you hear there?

And what's important for our listeners and viewers to know?

What I think what's important to know is that even in toxic and security environments, cloud computing can be safely and securely used.

And those different layers that Thomas mentioned, I think the hardest one is really that cyber hygiene.

Do you wonder why I picked that out?

Because that's where most of the humans fail in their day to day cyber hygiene.

That's right.

That's right.

Because we're human.

Right.

And while that's a beautiful thing, hey, we mess up a lot.

That's just kind of how it goes, you know?

Speaking of clouds, reading earlier, Thomas and Kevin about engineering simulations within the aviation industry.

Cloud provider had taken this simulation practice that usually had taken days and days for human teams to run, but their cloud based technologies allowed those engineering simulations to take place in a matter of minutes.

Man, that makes life a little bit easier for those smart engineers coming up with the next generation of aircraft and designs, all that stuff.

All right, so, Thomas, I know that you get invited for interviews, and you speak a lot.

Of course, you can't share a whole bunch about what you do day in and day out, but I think you do invite folks to connect with you and have conversations, maybe over a nice cup of coffee or you name it.

How can folks connect with you there, Thomas?

Absolutely.

I'm always happy to have a conversation.

I can be found on LinkedIn, and I can also be found on Xibertuff, spelled cyber tu f f.

And you got to.

Right.

If you're a tech pro, you got to come up with a creative spelling of words, right?

Yeah.

That's like an unspoken role.

Yeah, like that.

Like that.

See Texas, right.

S a C H s E.

So, folks, connect with Thomas Barr on LinkedIn, connect with thomas own x at cyber tuff stuff, and we'll include that in the show notes, so it's easier to make that connection.

Kevin, I'll tell you what, as a veteran that's always been fascinated and been a big old aircraft nerd.

I really enjoyed the conversation we've had here with Thomas, especially.

You know, a lot of what I've spent in my time in industry has been in the manufacturing industry.

Right.

It's one of the best parts of global business.

But out of everything that Thomas has shared, his personal journey, some of what he does, some of his perspective on cyber issues, especially with the manufacturing and the aviation industry.

What's been one of your favorite takeaways from this conversation here today?

Well, I mean, one thing that's kind of important to understand is that the challenges that a top secret environment like skunk works has is actually no different than the challenges of our regular everyday manufacturers, because they are all on the Internet, they're all leveraging cloud, they are all leveraging information technology and operational technology in order to deliver better products and services to their chosen industry.

So the activities that Lockheed Martin and skunk work does every manufacturer has to focus on.

It's broader than you think.

Yeah, well said.

I completely agree.

And you know, speaking of organizations out there helping to make all those challenges easier, our friends at Microsoft doing some pretty cool things in the manufacturing industry, huh?

Oh yeah, absolutely.

You know, Microsoft is helping us manufacture a sustainable future by unlocking and innovations and introducing new products.

They really are helping manufacturers embrace new designs and new manufacturing paradigms to prepare for the future of the industrial metaverse.

They're creating resilient supply chains to ensure continuity and reduce risk by providing secure, agile and connected supply chain so you can have always on visibility in your IT environment.

And this enables the intelligent factories so that you can automate manufacturing, ensure safe and reliable production and empower the workforce with the power of industrial IoT data and artificial intelligence.

They're doing a huge amount.

I love, you know, one of our favorite topics talk about is empowering the workforce, empowering the human element, right?

And I love that.

Powering those humans.

That's right.

You spike the football on that and you also use the word paradigm.

And one of these days I'm gonna figure out what that means.

It is three syllables.

That's fair.

Sorry, Thomas.

Well, a big thanks to our friends at Microsoft for the dude in industry and of course for how they're empowering conversations like this that we had here with Thomas Barr.

It's been a pleasure to talk with you, Thomas.

Really appreciate what you do, appreciate your service to the country, your continued service to the country, and of course what you're doing to protect industry every single day there at Lockheed Martin.

So, Thomas Mar, thank you for joining us here today.

It's my pleasure.

Rangers lead the way.

That's right.

Every day.

Every day.

Hey, Kevin, I'd be remiss if I didn't ask you how folks can connect with you.

Also, how they can connect with the Digital Transformers podcast, which is on the move.

How can they track you down?

Yeah, absolutely.

You know, you can always catch me a supply chain now that digital transformers.

And I'm on LinkedIn and on the Big X.

Kevin underscore Jackson, reach out anytime.

I love it, Kevin.

Appreciate what you're doing.

Digital transformers, always a pleasure to knock out shows like this with you, Kevin.

Already looking forward to the next one.

Me too.

Thanks.

Speaking of thanks, big thanks to all of our listeners and viewers across the globe.

Thanks for all your feedback, your show ideas.

Keep it coming.

We really appreciate that.

Big thanks to Thomas Marr with Lockheed Martin.

Thomas, thanks for what you do.

Thanks for serving the country, serving industry, and continuing to lead the charge to protect our global supply chains out there.

Appreciate you being here, Thomas.

Thank you.

It's an honor.

You bet.

Big thanks one last time to our cloud partners over at Microsoft as well, helping us bring these wonderful conversations and people and leaders and ideas to our global audience.

So, folks, hopefully you enjoyed this episode as much as I have.

Whatever you do, your homework's one thing.

You gotta take one idea, one best practice that Thomas or Kevin shared here today.

Put it into practice.

Your teams are ready to do business differently.

And, gosh, we gotta stand and deliver and help them make that happen.

So with all that said on behalf of Splotcha and our team, Scott Leon Challenge, you do good.

Give forward.

Be the change that's needed.

We'll see you next time.

Right back here at Supplache now.

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