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Well, good evening and
welcome to Crowd Church.

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My name is Matt Edmundson.

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It is great to be with
you on this Sunday night.

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I hope you've got your computer.

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I hope you've got your cup
of tea or coffee or whatever

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it is that floats your boat.

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Uh, 'cause tonight we have got
two amazing gentlemen, so either

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side of me, I'm very excited.

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to my left we have, the
Father of Crowd Church, Dave Connolly.

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that's not Dave on the, my left.

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Yeah, my left.

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Dan, you are All right.

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I'm, I'm Josh here.

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I'm the one with the beard.

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Well, Dave, it's good to have you.

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As always, always love
having Dave, here.

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And on my right we have John.

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Good evening everyone.

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John, stop hitting the table.

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Sorry, my first time folks,
I'm looking forward to it.

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And stop the microphone.

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I'm a novice,

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so there you go ladies.

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Gentlemen, we've got Dave and John
tonight, which I'm very excited about.

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We're talking and the reason I'm excited
is 'cause you are talking about legacy

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am tonight, which is great.

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and as I was saying,
before we went on air to both you

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guys, like fathers in the faith.

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So talking about legacy with you
two guys I'm really excited about.

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But before we jump into it, let
me say, good evening Rachel.

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Hey Raz.

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How you doing?

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Sharon is in the comments.

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yeah, let us know
where you're watching from.

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it'd be great to,
great to hear from you.

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Oh, Julie's in the comments.

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Oh, dear.

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Julie is Dave's wife, lady
Burke B is in the comments.

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Good evening, Sonya.

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Hope you're doing well.

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Alright, Mr. C, hope you're
doing very, very well.

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we'll, we'll let your husband
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some point, this evening.

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No doubt.

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so yes.

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Oh, let me see what this, everyone's
just commenting away, which is great.

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so very warm.

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Welcome to you.

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If this is your first time here
at Crowd Church, just explain

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what happens the way it works.

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Just say hi in the comments.

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It'd be great to hear from you.

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And of course, we also do this thing where
if you've got any questions, any thoughts.

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Post 'em in the comments.

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and we will do our level best to
try and get to them at some point,

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especially while Dave's doing his talk.

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If anything comes up in his
talk, write it in the comments.

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'cause after the talk we have Conversation
Street, which is where we're gonna

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go through your questions and comments.

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And we were saying it's one of
our favorite bits, isn't it?

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Conversation Street.

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everybody say hi to John, by
the way, it's John's first time.

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hello.

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As we could tell by your
microphone, technique

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and tapping.

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I'm just kidding, starting.

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So this is the way it's gonna
be, those gentlemen tonight.

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So, I'm very, very excited for
it, but genuinely, two great men sat

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beside me, so we're gonna have some fun.

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but we're gonna get,
we're gonna get into it a little

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bit tonight, so, hi Alice.

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Hi.

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A good to have you all with us.

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Sonia says Hello John.

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Hi Sonia.

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Talking to the microphone, John.

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Sorry.

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There we are.

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That

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what this thing is here.

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Okay,

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fine.

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Give us a drum.

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Give us a drum roll.

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Give us a drum roll.

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yeah, don't tap the table.

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Okay.

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Um, 'cause that just annoys everybody.

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Rachel says hello John.

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Now let, I should probably say
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first time, I've known you
John, I guess 25, 30 years now.

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He's been here 31 years now.

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So I've definitely
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Yep.

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and so you came up as a GP

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And you joined Frontline Church, which at
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Nick,

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yeah.

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and you were friends with Nick.

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That's, in fact you were Nick's best man.

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Nick and I were med
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That's right.

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he basically led me to the Lord. Yeah.

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Which was cool in a kind of roundabout
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And they moved to Bristol to meet
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And we followed three years later.

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And, the rest is history,

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as they say.

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As they say.

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And so, yes, we have known each other
for a long old time, which is great.

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So there's a lot of history,
I think, between us.

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which is great.

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So you're in safe hands
is what I'm saying.

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John was a GP.

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Dave was a nurse.

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I was a would-be first aider at some point.

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I think that's about as far
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Anyway, I was a GP, but managed
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cardiac arrest three years ago.

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And you're still here.

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Tell the

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story.

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God's not finished with me yet.

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Yes.

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There's a, there's, there's
a limit, isn't there?

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There's like God's like, no, you're
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no, no.

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You're not quite right yet.

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Brilliant.

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Dan, do you just want to do me a
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so it's more on John.

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Sorry.

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It's very in my face.

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and I think we could do with
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There we go.

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Wonderful.

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Studio lights.

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at least we didn't have makeup.

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Do they give

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you sun tan as well?

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Yeah, absolutely they do.

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Right.

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Without further ado, let's get into this.

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We have been, what do you wanna introduce,
talk, or do you want me to introduce it?

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I'll do it.

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You'll do it?

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I'll do it.

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Let's go to Dave.

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Good evening folks.

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this evening is the fifth and
final talk on the subject of money.

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And a few weeks ago I was saying
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money, it's about stewardship and
stewardship of everything that we have.

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It's about the, attitude, that we
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Not to hold tightly, but to hold
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It's not ours.

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And we, we, if you remember, we talk
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to go through all the, the past weeks.

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Well, this evening we're
gonna talk about legacy.

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And just before we started, I was
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think about legacy, we think it's
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Who's leaving it to us?

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Is dead.

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And the wonderful news is, in
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You could receive your legacy from
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So like with the prodigal son,
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for him to get his inheritance.

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He could actually have a, it's
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And I think that is really good.

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And I'm sure, I'm sure we'll pick
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But, you know, being a, a living,
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living legacy is something you
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And that, and that's what
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You know, what, what is
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What, what, what are the riches?

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What is the wealth that we are leaving?

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'cause it may not be pounds, it may not
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but we have much that we can
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we want to pass on to our children.

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Our grandchildren and to anybody
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we want to leave with them
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And I, I, I, I will, I
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I wanna talk about this creating a lasting
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that will extend beyond my last day.

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And it will be carried by my children and
my children's children, you know, and in

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the 21st century we don't talk like that.

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But you know, the Bible is talk full
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your children's children and, and
once for a thousand generations.

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Now I don't even know
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I don't even know what the math
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But you know, we're talking about
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We're not talking about,
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this stuff we're talking about.

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We have to model it.

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We are quite cheap in many ways, but.

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We model what we understand, scripture
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'cause if you are modeling a certain
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They see what it's like on your
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So modeling this is vital.

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And to understand that all that we're
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the Bible and what scripture teaches us.

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And because if we follow a teacher,
sorry, scripture teaches us, we can

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have a confidence in how we work that
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out just with our own capabilities.

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The most wonderful thing that we
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He puts people around us and you
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thrilling that, you know, when you're
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You know, Matt just said, you
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years, but there's a whole.

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Plethora of stories or ies, whatever
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of things that Matt will have learned?

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'cause he's seen John and Sally model
it, you know, some things, you know,

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we just, we see it modeled and, and
we're attracted to it, and we see

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it repeated over and over again,
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Hope that, and that's making sense.

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Mm. You know, and we can see, you
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the father of the faithful.

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You know, we could talk about, you know,
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We'll talk a little bit about Timothy
loved Timothy, you know, where did

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Timothy, you know, we know Timothy being
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we talk about how he, was sort of,
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and Paul had huge input into his life.

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But Paul says, this is, I love this bit,
John, I'm sure you're familiar with it.

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You know, Paul talks to Timothy
when he talking to Timothy, he said,

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your grandmother, Eunice, what an
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And I'm sure we'll come back to this maybe
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grandma is inputting her grandson and
it talks about how Eunice, and then,

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Timothy's mom, they're both shaping
him and value, this is how we get legacy.

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It wasn't all about what Paul
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Grandma and mum invested and I, I just
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and encourage you to look, you know,
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just outta operating in obedience.

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His obedience led to great
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on to affect lots of generations.

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As I've just said about Timothy,
there's the whole thing about, you

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know, the Levites, you know, the family
of priests legacy upon legacy, Ruth

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and Naomi mother-in-law, legacy again.

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And, and I, I love the, the Ruth
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n Naomi and her trust in God,
how we secure the place in it.

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If, when you read her story, read it,
it's a real, you know, amazing story.

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And as you track that story, you
track the legacy and you see it

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weaves in into the lineage of David.

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And obviously 'cause it ties
into David's, genealogy.

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It ties it into Jesus that this is
what we're legacy is Clear legacy.

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you can track it and it
is generational and they were

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talking about the faithfulness
of, of what that looks like.

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But, you know, there are certain
things that we have to put in and

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I just wanna comment, give you the
headlines, like intentional teaching,

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be intentional in what we teach
our children and our grandchildren.

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And I, I just wanna pull in,
you know, our extended families.

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Again, that was a word we
used before, wasn't it?

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You know, we we're privileged, you
know, to being in a, where we're

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really into extended families.

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And so this intentional teaching,
you know, we're, we're almost

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looking for the teaching moments.

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We're modeling faith and we can now
all tell testimonies and stories

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of how we've had the privilege.

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And it has been a privilege to see
faith, to hear faith spoken and, and

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wanting to align ourselves to that.

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That changes how you do life.

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Be around people in model faith.

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It's wonderful.

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It'll stay something really deep
in, in you passing down testimonies.

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Read about it in Psalm 78 and I, you,
listen, I'm doing my best to get this bit

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right, but I know all grandchildren sleep
over at our house on, on a Wednesday.

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And, you know, they go through
these seasons where, you know,

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they'll all be with Julie and
they'll say, tell us stories,

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testimonies, not, not science fiction.

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You know, and it's all about miracles or
about how God intervened and did this,

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how God healed me when I fell on the
mountains of when God did this, how God

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supplied finances, how God did this.

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These are just children and, and they're
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And, it stimulates faith.

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Now, I want my grandchildren to grow up in
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God and of hearing about God's goodness.

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'cause there's enough rubbish and bad
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so they can know that God is faithful.

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We wanna sow into them as
they hear these stories.

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How can they, we want them as they grow
to know they can pray, and how they can

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steward what little God has given them.

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'cause God gives us, regardless
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God comes in his closeness.

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And we have to steward that.

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But you know, there is a consequence
when we don't, in the Bible,

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there's a guy called Eli in one
Samuel chapter three, and he's got

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these sons now, Eli's a priest, you
know, and his sons were scoundrels.

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You know, they had a legacy that
was coming their way, but in fact,

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because they failed to follow
what God had called them to do,

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they didn't receive their legacy.

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They received judgments and so did Eli.

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So let's not be, let's not be slow
to lead and guide our children, you

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know, regardless how old our children
are, they're always our children.

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You know, how we respond to
them is different, obviously.

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'cause like I have a 44-year-old son and,
you know, he, he's a man, you know,

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I don't talk to him as if he's eight.

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Sometimes I do and I shouldn't,
you know, it's a bit hard.

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not because he's being.

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And he's a child, you know?

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But sometimes you just
can't help yourself.

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But I can't, you know?

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but our kids will always be our kids
and we need to want the best for them.

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Even if it's enough to correct them, we
correct them and leave them to do what

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they feel they should do with that word.

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You know?

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And you, you can look at the
whole generational thing in

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with the children of Israel.

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God was so gracious and so kind.

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He promised of the promise of the
promise, miracle after miracle.

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And it wasn't long before
they did their own thing.

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And God would warn them.

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And he would warn them.

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But then, you know, God is a just God.

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So after all those warnings,
out of love, exile comes a form

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of judgment comes upon them.

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And that affects generations.

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'cause quite often when the children
of Israel went into exile, it was

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for 70 years and many of those people
would not have, come out of it.

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So let me just give you some scriptures.

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Proverbs 13:22.

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A good man leaves an inheritance
to his children's children.

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That's grace, isn't it?

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A good man leaves an inheritance
to his children's children.

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Now you're probably thinking
what you, what about me?

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It's okay.

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'cause it includes you.

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Psalm 112, verses 1 and 2.

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His descendants will be mighty on earth.

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The generations of the
upright will be blessed.

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Joel 1:3.

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Tell it to your children and let
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their children to the next generation.

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It requires participation.

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It requires that we invest in
our kids and our kids' kids and

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those extended family members.

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'cause it, it is the s stark reality.

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If we don't, there is no
shortage of people out there.

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There's no shortage of voices on, on the,

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there's, there's no shortage.

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They sound reasonable.

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They may even sound godly.

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And yet when you look at what
they're saying compared to the

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way they've got they int mm-hmm.

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There's no shortage.

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We, we, there's no excuse for us
not to speak into the lives of our

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children and our children's children.

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And to those in our extended family,
it's called responsibility, my friend.

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We need to intentionally disciple people.

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You know, we've been part of church,
we've had great youth programs,

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but you know, I find myself all the
time saying to parents, it's our

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responsibility to disciple our children.

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Thank God for children's
workers and youth workers.

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They can have a huge impact on our
kids and we really appreciate them.

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But it is our job to
disciple our children.

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There needs to be consistency
in how we live our lives.

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For all those who are looking
on consistency over perfection.

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People, when they look at us,
they're not looking for perfection.

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My friends, they're looking
for consistency, that we

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live out what we talk about.

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Modeling, modeling our values.

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Not just talking about this, not
just being sort of about finance.

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And when Hannah was here the other
week, we talked about how God

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provides, you know, and if God
provides, we need to know what it's

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like to be on the end of receiving.

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I think that's what we were talking about.

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But we also need to be on the end
of saying, I'm gonna meet that need.

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And you don't have to have, if,
if you, if you remember one of

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Anna's comment, you don't have to
have to meet somebody else's need.

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If God's prompting you

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mm-hmm.

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And she gave a wonderful testimony, you
need to go back and watch that online.

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we need to steward all that we've
got, we need to share, I'm sure

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we'll talk about this, you know,
live life with open hands steward

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what we, God has given us to steward.

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We need to realize that
God is always faithful.

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And as I start to just, land
this bit and I am just throwing

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stuff out this evening, to
try and draw these sessions to a

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close, we are passing down a story.

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You know, if you've got any Jewish
friends, the Jewish people I,

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I have met, over the years,
they will say, Christians, your

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rubbish are telling your story.

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'cause you don't sit down and
you don't tell your story.

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You don't talk about your history.

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And and I love hearing
testimonies, you know, so we

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need to develop that culture.

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We're not talking about science fiction,
we're not talking about fairytale.

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We're talking about what God has
done in us and through us and

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you know, what we've heard that
God has done in somebody's life.

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When we do that, we bring in
glory and we are proclaiming

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God is able to do it again.

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And that, you know,
will affect our worship.

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Now worship is, when I'm
talking about worship, I am

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not taught about singing songs.

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I'm talking about how we live.

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Worship is a posture of centring in on
God and pushing everything else back.

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You know?

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it also affects, excuse me.

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When we look at our legacy,
when we look about how we live,

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we'll find that we will start
noticing the Holy Spirit.

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Just put his finger on
things in our lives.

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And I just feel to say,
I'm talking about dear friends.

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We carry a pain.

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We carry a hurt, and some of us
have been carrying it far too long.

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It's not that we're in denial of it.

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We recognize it and don't allow the
Holy Spirit to come and heal it.

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And listen, you won't be scar-free.

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A scar is proof that there was
a wound there and that, that

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reminds you of your testimony.

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Allow the Holy Spirit
to, to bring healing.

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Think about how we live and realize that
what God is doing in us and through us and

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what wonderful things that God invites us
into, they will live on when we go to be

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with him, they will live on, I was talking
with a man yesterday and he's probably

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gonna die in the next couple of days.

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And, we had an hour and a
half and we laughed for an hour.

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Just laughed and we laughed and we cried.

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And as we were leaving we just detoured

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just about how thankful he was
to being able to be part of

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what God is doing in the place.

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He is with the people
God has placed among.

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And you know, when he said this
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it's been the best year of my life.

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And, you know what?

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I left there and I, I I, I, I was
upset 'cause I said, I, I'll give

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you the rings to coffee next week.

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And he goes, it's okay.

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What he has done and what
he has been passed on will

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live on beyond his days here.

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You know, and not all will.

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We just remember him, we remember God's
faithfulness through him and in him.

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And let me just close with this.

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You know, I started with, we may not have
any grand financial inheritance to leave

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anybody, but we can leave a treasure

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by leaving something, the
memories that people have of us.

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Should help shape their
lives to trust God.

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We have the privilege of walking through
things, in church with each other.

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We have all the wonderful times
of weddings and, and births and

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deaths and carriages and families
experience deaths of young babies.

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And we have had the privilege.

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And it is a privilege.

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It's, it is really sad, but to be
able to be part of their journey.

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And, we, we just wanna
leave behind something that's,

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that points all the time.

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It, we're not asking
people to, to look to us.

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'cause we don't have anything
besides what God is doing in us.

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That when we leave, when we
die, and even whilst we live.

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Our words and our actions on
our D are just pointing to him.

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'cause the Holy Spirit is waiting

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to connect with each of us, my friends.

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There is a legacy for you to live in
and that legacy needs to start now.

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You start building your
legacy to pass on now.

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God bless you.

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Brilliant.

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Wonderful.

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Thanks Chief.

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Well, we're gonna get into it.

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and in fact I'm gonna start off
with the very last comment we've just

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had from Ellis as a young person,
open bracket, 22, close brackets.

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it's interesting to see, and no
offense older people talking about legacy.

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which I thought was
an interesting comment.

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I dunno, Alice, if I'm one of the
older people, I'm, I'm just kind

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of like in the middle, I guess.

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but no, I love that.

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I, I love talking, with you guys
about this because the thing that I love

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Dave, about what you drew out, was
this idea that legacy is more than money.

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Right?

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And what you leave behind is, is
almost as important, I suppose,

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as what you've, as the rest of it.

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Right.

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and, and hence the
reason we call it legacy.

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and I, I like this idea of
thinking about it as of legacy

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as being more than money.

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although obviously we'll
come back to why it's part of it.

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what do you think, John,

477
00:25:23,100 --> 00:25:28,230
when you mentioned the word legacy,
the word deposit popped into my mind.

478
00:25:28,235 --> 00:25:28,395
Very good.

479
00:25:28,615 --> 00:25:30,475
We are drop being something.

480
00:25:31,395 --> 00:25:35,385
Something in, I mean, an example
for me, I've, I've been married

481
00:25:35,385 --> 00:25:38,985
for 50 years to an amazing woman
who's put up with me all that time.

482
00:25:40,065 --> 00:25:44,774
And probably, from the first couple,
after the first couple of years, we

483
00:25:44,774 --> 00:25:47,264
started to have people live with us.

484
00:25:47,805 --> 00:25:54,105
And it's been hundreds of people that have
come through the feeling being to provide

485
00:25:54,105 --> 00:25:57,795
a, a harbor, a home friendship, love, fun.

486
00:25:58,815 --> 00:26:01,905
I've got four sons,
six grandchildren now.

487
00:26:02,805 --> 00:26:08,685
And interestingly, my youngest son
called our vision through all that time

488
00:26:08,685 --> 00:26:11,355
of having people live with them, with us.

489
00:26:12,045 --> 00:26:15,915
And when they got married 10 years
ago to Alice, who came into our

490
00:26:15,915 --> 00:26:20,220
home as a. As au pair who was struggling
with a variety of things and we just

491
00:26:20,220 --> 00:26:24,780
loved her, accepted her, she became
a Christian, she married my son.

492
00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:30,150
and they've caught that vision
for extended family and caring for

493
00:26:30,150 --> 00:26:31,890
people and reaching out to people.

494
00:26:32,490 --> 00:26:36,690
So somehow there, there has been
that deposit that, that seed of

495
00:26:36,690 --> 00:26:39,120
care and hospitality and caring.

496
00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:43,500
So that for me is an example of
leaving something by example.

497
00:26:44,130 --> 00:26:45,330
in their lives.

498
00:26:46,860 --> 00:26:49,950
That's a really, really interesting
point Alice actually put here.

499
00:26:49,950 --> 00:26:54,180
I can relate to it as being on
the receiving end of it from my

500
00:26:54,180 --> 00:26:57,720
grandparents who are the best
I could have ever asked for.

501
00:26:58,290 --> 00:27:01,740
Whilst also being convicted that I
too can build and leave a legacy.

502
00:27:02,850 --> 00:27:04,080
and it's interesting, isn't it?

503
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,600
I think that's, that's
really, really great.

504
00:27:06,990 --> 00:27:12,485
Catherine said, is God's legacy
for us always something positive, or

505
00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:14,730
could it be something we don't want?

506
00:27:15,945 --> 00:27:17,475
Well, excuse me.

507
00:27:17,985 --> 00:27:19,485
We have to have some context for that.

508
00:27:19,995 --> 00:27:24,255
you know, God talked about
the children, you know, of Israel.

509
00:27:24,555 --> 00:27:26,415
He had a plan and a purpose for them.

510
00:27:26,715 --> 00:27:30,045
You know, when he leads them out of,
Egypt, you know, they go on a

511
00:27:30,045 --> 00:27:34,455
journey that should have took 11 days,
took 40 days, that wasn't down to God,

512
00:27:34,455 --> 00:27:36,045
that was down to their disobedience.

513
00:27:36,435 --> 00:27:42,315
Even though God did miracle after miracle
after miracle, it wasn't long before they

514
00:27:42,315 --> 00:27:45,315
were looking to and force something else.

515
00:27:45,825 --> 00:27:49,425
And those things that they were
looking for were not good for them.

516
00:27:49,845 --> 00:27:53,415
So God, I suppose to break
on them and challenge them.

517
00:27:53,565 --> 00:27:54,975
So that's why they wondered.

518
00:27:55,665 --> 00:27:59,505
It's almost as until they come
to an end of themselves and,

519
00:27:59,505 --> 00:28:01,395
so I think, you know, God.

520
00:28:01,830 --> 00:28:02,670
It is good.

521
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,320
But there's a, a word that you may want
to, sorry, who was that coming from?

522
00:28:07,470 --> 00:28:07,920
Catherine.

523
00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:08,550
Catherine.

524
00:28:08,700 --> 00:28:13,290
You know, there's a, there's a wonderful
word about God being just, and that, you

525
00:28:13,290 --> 00:28:18,420
know, when God says something, he, you
know, he expects us to walk in it, but he

526
00:28:18,420 --> 00:28:21,780
is also merciful and gracious and kind.

527
00:28:22,140 --> 00:28:27,630
So it just means that if God says, do
this and we don't, that's called sin.

528
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:33,870
That sin needs to be covered and God
covers it through sending his son Jesus.

529
00:28:34,170 --> 00:28:38,160
So have a look at that word, just what
it is to, for God to be a just God.

530
00:28:40,530 --> 00:28:44,100
Dion's put, it's funny that we talk
about legacy in such positive terms,

531
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,290
but things like generational trauma

532
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:46,620
Yes.

533
00:28:46,620 --> 00:28:48,210
Is also a type of legacy.

534
00:28:48,210 --> 00:28:48,510
Totally.

535
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:51,840
Something left behind by parents
or people who have influenced us.

536
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:52,140
It's true.

537
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:53,250
Any thoughts on that, John?

538
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:53,670
Yes.

539
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:55,680
Yeah, that's an interesting one.

540
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:56,460
We.

541
00:28:57,165 --> 00:29:04,065
My eldest son wrote us a text once
and, having had some counseling

542
00:29:04,065 --> 00:29:08,504
for something, rather a number of young
people or in the people in their thirties,

543
00:29:08,625 --> 00:29:11,175
having counseling is, is extraordinary.

544
00:29:11,235 --> 00:29:15,855
Mm. And he wrote to us a, a lot of
stuff, and Sally and I, we sat there

545
00:29:15,885 --> 00:29:18,135
and thought, what is this about?

546
00:29:18,495 --> 00:29:21,675
The history was totally
different to, to what we

547
00:29:21,679 --> 00:29:21,929
mm-hmm.

548
00:29:22,125 --> 00:29:22,875
We thought.

549
00:29:23,325 --> 00:29:27,735
And so clearly we do our best,
we do our best as parents, we,

550
00:29:28,034 --> 00:29:29,445
we are learning on the job.

551
00:29:30,254 --> 00:29:32,804
And, and sometimes
we get it wrong, but

552
00:29:32,804 --> 00:29:33,014
the

553
00:29:33,014 --> 00:29:35,804
important thing is to be able
to have these conversations.

554
00:29:36,405 --> 00:29:39,495
And at times we sit around
the, the dinner table and, and

555
00:29:39,495 --> 00:29:41,145
there's an open conversation.

556
00:29:41,715 --> 00:29:44,685
Sometimes it's really hard to
hear what our kids are saying.

557
00:29:45,330 --> 00:29:49,620
But it, but that is set something as
well, that's a, an unhelpful deposit,

558
00:29:50,010 --> 00:29:51,930
which is what you are alluding to there.

559
00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:55,530
But we need to be able to,
to be open to discuss these

560
00:29:55,530 --> 00:29:57,090
things, pray into these things.

561
00:29:57,270 --> 00:29:58,590
Forgive one another.

562
00:29:58,889 --> 00:29:59,520
And move on.

563
00:30:00,420 --> 00:30:06,000
I mean, that, that's, you know, God
bless you for, for bringing that up.

564
00:30:06,030 --> 00:30:09,960
'cause I, I think it, it
does ping a fuller picture.

565
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:13,680
You're absolutely right that
people are left with a legacy.

566
00:30:13,980 --> 00:30:17,970
I, I call it more of a case
to be honest, because it, it

567
00:30:17,970 --> 00:30:23,070
usually fallen people, broken
people, and this is now an excuse.

568
00:30:23,910 --> 00:30:25,620
Do things that bring gray hairs Yeah.

569
00:30:25,620 --> 00:30:26,910
And great damage to us.

570
00:30:27,389 --> 00:30:30,750
Sometimes intentionally, sometimes not.

571
00:30:31,050 --> 00:30:35,399
But it's, it's sad to think a parent
would intentionally want to say

572
00:30:35,399 --> 00:30:39,060
something or do something that would
damage their children, but you know.

573
00:30:39,659 --> 00:30:42,600
And I, I don't want to give platitudes
I here type of thing, but, you

574
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,669
know, broken people break people.

575
00:30:45,355 --> 00:30:49,110
You know, and, as John's saying,
you know, when, when our kids have

576
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:53,370
said X to us, you think, you know,
that's really not what I meant.

577
00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:57,149
That wasn't what I was, that
wasn't what I was aiming for.

578
00:30:57,870 --> 00:31:02,730
And then you, we have to be in
a place where we apologize and

579
00:31:02,730 --> 00:31:04,800
I would use the word repentance.

580
00:31:05,310 --> 00:31:06,060
And address it.

581
00:31:06,810 --> 00:31:09,449
But that's a, that's a really,
really important point.

582
00:31:09,899 --> 00:31:11,490
Ano another aspect of that.

583
00:31:13,260 --> 00:31:19,140
One of my sons, I had a, an
interesting kind of a, re

584
00:31:19,140 --> 00:31:20,760
relationship with him for a while.

585
00:31:20,885 --> 00:31:22,650
He's, he's a very creative guy.

586
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:28,980
but it became evident
that, he, was, sorry,

587
00:31:29,010 --> 00:31:30,480
tapping the table again, folks.

588
00:31:30,570 --> 00:31:30,930
Sorry.

589
00:31:31,410 --> 00:31:36,990
that he was in a gay relationship and
had experienced these feelings from the

590
00:31:36,990 --> 00:31:42,180
age of 14, and he'd kind of been through
church a bit, but couldn't, couldn't hack

591
00:31:42,180 --> 00:31:47,250
it, and was, was in a lonely place
at times, which broke my heart really.

592
00:31:47,370 --> 00:31:51,600
And one father's day, he rang me and
having kind of, in a roundabout way,

593
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,500
found out about, his, his sexuality.

594
00:31:55,950 --> 00:31:59,040
I bit the bullet and, and
spoke to him about it.

595
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,120
And he was pushing me
away emotionally because.

596
00:32:03,630 --> 00:32:06,750
He thought that I would reject
him because of my Christian faith,

597
00:32:07,470 --> 00:32:09,270
but he got exactly the opposite.

598
00:32:09,810 --> 00:32:14,700
I don't, I don't profess to understand
it all, but I love him deeply.

599
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,510
And, and we love deeply
him, and his partner.

600
00:32:19,050 --> 00:32:20,310
And that's what it's about.

601
00:32:20,370 --> 00:32:21,420
I'm not judging.

602
00:32:21,570 --> 00:32:22,830
There's no criticism.

603
00:32:23,610 --> 00:32:27,630
Jesus is the one who, who brings
conviction if that's what's needed.

604
00:32:27,630 --> 00:32:30,720
He, he breaks into lives
and he loves people.

605
00:32:31,170 --> 00:32:32,850
And we had a real sense.

606
00:32:32,850 --> 00:32:36,930
We just love, and that has
brought us so close together.

607
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,900
So a legacy of acceptance.

608
00:32:40,290 --> 00:32:41,220
Of love.

609
00:32:41,490 --> 00:32:42,660
So, so important.

610
00:32:43,740 --> 00:32:44,760
Thanks for sharing that, John.

611
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:44,970
Sorry.

612
00:32:44,970 --> 00:32:50,100
And anybody who knew, knew you,
knows you, John would not be.

613
00:32:50,610 --> 00:32:52,590
You know, surprised by your response.

614
00:32:53,310 --> 00:32:56,070
You know, and that's why I
saying, you know, you, you get to

615
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:59,910
know people and how they value and
how they, they function, you know?

616
00:32:59,940 --> 00:33:04,140
So, nobody else would be, and I
think sometimes, you know, people hold

617
00:33:04,140 --> 00:33:09,810
us off because they think we're gonna
reject them, so they think, well, just

618
00:33:09,810 --> 00:33:15,300
in case they don't, and the older off,
you know, but anybody who knew, knows you

619
00:33:15,300 --> 00:33:16,920
would know what your response would be.

620
00:33:17,070 --> 00:33:19,440
I'd be shocked if it
was anything different,

621
00:33:19,860 --> 00:33:20,250
you

622
00:33:20,250 --> 00:33:20,520
know?

623
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:21,810
And that's, that's a value.

624
00:33:22,140 --> 00:33:23,730
'cause it's nothing that just comes out.

625
00:33:23,940 --> 00:33:26,100
A value is there at the very core.

626
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,680
What else can come up with that value?

627
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:33,000
Mm, well, something, I wrote down some
notes here that, you know, we are

628
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,580
loved by a God of just incredible love.

629
00:33:35,790 --> 00:33:40,500
The, the, the, not the inventor,
the creator of love and of

630
00:33:40,500 --> 00:33:42,570
care and passion for people.

631
00:33:43,110 --> 00:33:46,980
And, as far as I'm concerned,
that people are so much

632
00:33:46,980 --> 00:33:49,110
more important than things.

633
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,370
You know, friendship, relationships,
more valuable, more precious

634
00:33:53,460 --> 00:33:54,930
than anything material.

635
00:33:58,110 --> 00:33:59,880
Is I'm, I'm just taking all this in.

636
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:00,330
Chaps.

637
00:34:00,900 --> 00:34:01,080
True.

638
00:34:01,620 --> 00:34:02,370
You to carry on.

639
00:34:02,580 --> 00:34:05,310
It's fascinating listening to it
and, and seeing the response in the

640
00:34:05,310 --> 00:34:06,840
comments as well, which has been great.

641
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,600
it's.

642
00:34:11,730 --> 00:34:13,875
I, I guess one my question
to you both, right?

643
00:34:13,935 --> 00:34:16,545
'cause John, you've done
the lodger thing, right?

644
00:34:16,545 --> 00:34:18,975
As you talked about,
Sharon and I have done that.

645
00:34:18,975 --> 00:34:20,895
We, we feel like we're coming
to the end of that season.

646
00:34:21,525 --> 00:34:22,185
You've done it.

647
00:34:22,364 --> 00:34:24,074
It's like we've all done that, right?

648
00:34:24,375 --> 00:34:31,094
So we've done these things,
which are very intentional, about

649
00:34:31,094 --> 00:34:33,135
incorporating people into our community.

650
00:34:33,435 --> 00:34:35,324
you know, because it's a
very Christian thing to do.

651
00:34:35,324 --> 00:34:36,255
It is very, very Christian.

652
00:34:36,764 --> 00:34:41,175
I'm, I'm kind of curious
though, what, as you, I maybe, John,

653
00:34:41,175 --> 00:34:42,255
you've got some thoughts on this.

654
00:34:42,255 --> 00:34:44,415
'cause you, you did,
have a heart attack.

655
00:34:44,475 --> 00:34:48,495
You did need to be resuscitated, which
I assume brings your thoughts about

656
00:34:48,495 --> 00:34:52,094
mortality rushing to the front of your
head, maybe sooner than you'd anticipated.

657
00:34:52,094 --> 00:34:52,485
It's about,

658
00:34:54,554 --> 00:34:55,995
what, how are you in.

659
00:34:57,149 --> 00:34:59,100
Following that event.

660
00:34:59,250 --> 00:35:02,160
'cause I, my ki, my eldest
Josh, he's about to get married.

661
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,430
So you guys are in a
different life stage, right?

662
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,480
you've had this experience,
which, you know, God bless you, we

663
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:16,170
were all praying, but what do you do,
or what do you think about now?

664
00:35:16,170 --> 00:35:20,580
What are you intentionally doing as a
result of that where it comes to legacy?

665
00:35:21,300 --> 00:35:23,610
Or do you still not really
think about it as much?

666
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:25,440
Well, it's interesting.

667
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,430
Speaking of Josh, I won't go
into all the details, but I

668
00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:32,640
didn't wake up one morning and
Josh and Alice and the kids were

669
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:33,270
Sorry.

670
00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:34,110
This is your Josh?

671
00:35:34,115 --> 00:35:34,485
Not my Josh.

672
00:35:34,545 --> 00:35:35,085
Not your Josh?

673
00:35:35,145 --> 00:35:36,125
No, my son Josh.

674
00:35:36,425 --> 00:35:37,125
No, no, no.

675
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,260
they were visiting and
about to go back that morning.

676
00:35:40,260 --> 00:35:42,420
But cut a long story
short, I didn't wake up.

677
00:35:42,870 --> 00:35:45,600
I was gurgling and on my
way, and Sally called him.

678
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:51,250
to Josh, who's a pediatric
physiotherapist who jumped on me, CPR.

679
00:35:51,250 --> 00:35:53,500
We happened to carry a
defibrillator with us.

680
00:35:53,500 --> 00:35:57,160
My dad had problems, so they
gave me a whack with that one.

681
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,350
And, and I know nothing about all of this.

682
00:35:59,350 --> 00:36:01,930
I woke up in the reanimation ward.

683
00:36:01,930 --> 00:36:06,070
It's a great name, the French he
reanimated, which is kind of, you

684
00:36:06,070 --> 00:36:07,780
know, sort of special care or whatever.

685
00:36:08,350 --> 00:36:08,980
totally.

686
00:36:08,980 --> 00:36:09,040
I

687
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,050
like reanimation message special care.

688
00:36:11,350 --> 00:36:12,310
I'm very confused.

689
00:36:12,515 --> 00:36:17,590
I think I rang, Al Marshall three
times to tell him I'd had a heart attack.

690
00:36:17,590 --> 00:36:18,580
They go, oh yeah, John.

691
00:36:18,580 --> 00:36:19,480
We know, we know.

692
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:24,280
But, but there's that special
relationship there with Josh to

693
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:25,660
have that experience together.

694
00:36:26,230 --> 00:36:29,770
I did pay for half of a new iPhone
as a, as a thank you, by the way.

695
00:36:30,495 --> 00:36:30,715
Um,

696
00:36:31,055 --> 00:36:31,475
legacy.

697
00:36:31,655 --> 00:36:32,075
Legacy,

698
00:36:32,215 --> 00:36:32,635
legacy.

699
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:36,340
But.

700
00:36:37,475 --> 00:36:40,415
But all my relationships with
my four sons are very different.

701
00:36:40,415 --> 00:36:44,255
And we, you know, we value them for,
for who they are and they, and,

702
00:36:44,705 --> 00:36:46,384
it's gotta be at their own pace as well.

703
00:36:46,384 --> 00:36:47,404
I think it's important.

704
00:36:47,404 --> 00:36:48,964
You know, we, I don't preach to them.

705
00:36:49,115 --> 00:36:49,535
I love them.

706
00:36:49,714 --> 00:36:51,575
Hopefully set some example.

707
00:36:51,964 --> 00:36:55,174
I mean, they, they, they
actually mentor me as well.

708
00:36:55,174 --> 00:36:58,055
Like, they tell me to get off the
roof when I was changing tiles

709
00:36:58,055 --> 00:37:01,115
and, you know, get down from that
ladder dad, you know, that're kind

710
00:37:01,115 --> 00:37:03,605
of, bubble wrapping me a bit.

711
00:37:03,605 --> 00:37:05,315
But I used to get away with it.

712
00:37:05,315 --> 00:37:05,765
There you go.

713
00:37:05,915 --> 00:37:08,134
I, I'm sure you didn't listen
to them one little bit.

714
00:37:08,315 --> 00:37:09,035
Not really.

715
00:37:10,835 --> 00:37:11,825
I do occasionally.

716
00:37:12,725 --> 00:37:13,295
But what about you?

717
00:37:13,295 --> 00:37:18,964
I, in terms of, you know, I,
I, I was reading in the notes for

718
00:37:18,964 --> 00:37:21,964
this, you know, 'cause I put the,
the, the notes together and I came

719
00:37:21,964 --> 00:37:23,674
across this, I'd never come across it.

720
00:37:23,674 --> 00:37:27,605
The Levite retirement plan,
where the Levites would

721
00:37:27,605 --> 00:37:29,705
retire from manual labor at 50.

722
00:37:30,245 --> 00:37:33,694
And then become in effect the mentors and.

723
00:37:34,380 --> 00:37:35,790
For the younger generation.

724
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:41,490
now you guys, I think have
always, I dunno whether it's been

725
00:37:41,490 --> 00:37:44,640
intentional or whether it's just
been something you've just done.

726
00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:49,860
It feels like you've always mentored
the generation coming up behind you.

727
00:37:50,910 --> 00:37:55,170
How important is that, do you think,
still going forward because you go,

728
00:37:55,170 --> 00:37:57,750
well, we should definitely mentor
the 20 year olds because they need

729
00:37:57,750 --> 00:38:01,470
a lot of help and the 30 year olds,
they want a little bit of mentoring

730
00:38:01,470 --> 00:38:03,570
in between trying to make life work.

731
00:38:03,720 --> 00:38:11,340
but I suppose who mentors you
and, you know, are you, are you

732
00:38:11,345 --> 00:38:13,560
guys being intentional about the
whole mentoring thing going forward?

733
00:38:13,590 --> 00:38:14,100
Yes.

734
00:38:15,030 --> 00:38:15,600
Expand.

735
00:38:16,350 --> 00:38:18,840
I think everybody, I
don't use the word mentor.

736
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:23,700
I, I appreciate what you, for me, it's
all about accountable relationships.

737
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,270
And there, there are,
there are people who.

738
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:34,410
I have in my life who, you can call
them best friends or, or what my kids

739
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,150
say, I haven't got any best friends.

740
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:37,290
And I'm like, okay.

741
00:38:37,950 --> 00:38:42,150
but you know, there are people who
my go-to people and they're usually

742
00:38:42,330 --> 00:38:44,880
over specific things, you know?

743
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:49,740
but I, I, I think if I can just
go back a little bit, you know,

744
00:38:49,799 --> 00:38:53,700
when we were talking about, you know,
people living with us, I think, I'm

745
00:38:53,700 --> 00:38:55,200
not sure if any of us would agree.

746
00:38:55,290 --> 00:38:57,120
I think we, you're
calling them lodgers.

747
00:38:57,690 --> 00:38:58,680
Expectation.

748
00:38:58,950 --> 00:39:02,670
But I think we're, we actually treat
them as extended family, don't we?

749
00:39:03,390 --> 00:39:07,380
I think that, and I think, and I think
there is a difference because one just

750
00:39:07,380 --> 00:39:11,880
is about financial reward and the stories
we could tell are quite phenomenal.

751
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,710
But again, it's privilege.

752
00:39:13,980 --> 00:39:17,160
But, you know, for, for
me, I am really intentional.

753
00:39:17,835 --> 00:39:21,435
I had a wake up call a couple of
years ago that I had a heart condition.

754
00:39:21,525 --> 00:39:22,515
It's not compulsory.

755
00:39:24,405 --> 00:39:24,435
I

756
00:39:24,435 --> 00:39:25,035
don't want one,

757
00:39:25,035 --> 00:39:29,505
but I, I was, I was, I had something
called a widow-maker, which was just

758
00:39:29,505 --> 00:39:31,455
for your heart's, not a good place.

759
00:39:31,575 --> 00:39:33,195
And I thought you might
survive one or two.

760
00:39:33,465 --> 00:39:36,645
Well, I had seven in, I think
just over a day and a half.

761
00:39:36,645 --> 00:39:40,545
And, I was, I'm the stenting
and it wasn't working at all.

762
00:39:40,545 --> 00:39:43,605
And he said, if I try and put
another one of these in the way

763
00:39:43,605 --> 00:39:45,045
your heart is, you could die.

764
00:39:45,045 --> 00:39:48,675
And I remember, you know,
I didn't say thank you, God,

765
00:39:48,765 --> 00:39:50,085
that wasn't what I was thinking.

766
00:39:50,415 --> 00:39:56,055
But again, Al Marshall was somewhere in
around and, and I just remember,

767
00:39:56,445 --> 00:39:58,275
lying back while they were getting ready.

768
00:39:58,275 --> 00:39:59,235
I'm like, there's not an option.

769
00:39:59,235 --> 00:40:00,285
You know, do what you need to do.

770
00:40:00,675 --> 00:40:02,835
And I, I just remember intentionally.

771
00:40:03,795 --> 00:40:04,575
Just praying.

772
00:40:05,475 --> 00:40:07,935
And I just remember
saying, thank you, God.

773
00:40:08,685 --> 00:40:12,225
Thank you for Julie, for the kids and.

774
00:40:14,285 --> 00:40:18,660
And just for allowing me to
be part of what you have done.

775
00:40:19,245 --> 00:40:21,600
You know, to be able to
go to different places.

776
00:40:21,930 --> 00:40:27,090
To be, you know, with people, to see
you do amazing things in people's lives.

777
00:40:27,690 --> 00:40:29,250
You know, just to be there.

778
00:40:29,250 --> 00:40:35,700
Just, just to see you be you and for
you to do that, which only you can do.

779
00:40:36,180 --> 00:40:39,030
lying on that table.

780
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,900
Table, you know, I just
had this in one minute.

781
00:40:42,900 --> 00:40:48,180
My eyes were shut and I really
thought when I opened them again, I

782
00:40:48,180 --> 00:40:50,430
could be right before the one I left.

783
00:40:52,050 --> 00:40:53,850
And something happens, doesn't it?

784
00:40:54,570 --> 00:40:57,870
Something happens when it's not
about getting to a certain age.

785
00:40:57,870 --> 00:40:59,700
You know, Jeff is nothing about age.

786
00:40:59,805 --> 00:41:01,110
No, no.

787
00:41:01,260 --> 00:41:05,610
You know, 'cause we all know, people
know children and families who you

788
00:41:05,610 --> 00:41:07,890
know, so life is quite fragile.

789
00:41:07,890 --> 00:41:08,730
But you know what?

790
00:41:08,910 --> 00:41:11,520
You, people may die young,
but they never die early.

791
00:41:12,660 --> 00:41:14,430
God's time is perfect.

792
00:41:15,180 --> 00:41:17,910
The church, Imma, at the
moment, the pastor's wife had a

793
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:22,140
40-year-old healthy young mum or
two, just didn't wake up one day.

794
00:41:22,350 --> 00:41:23,490
And nobody knows why.

795
00:41:23,970 --> 00:41:27,420
But you know what, in, in that
moment, where we were just

796
00:41:27,420 --> 00:41:32,310
absolutely sure that this wonderful,
godly woman did not die early.

797
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:34,319
But she did die young.

798
00:41:34,500 --> 00:41:35,105
Yeah, that's

799
00:41:35,105 --> 00:41:35,185
true.

800
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:38,940
You know, so, you know, my,
we do need, we need people.

801
00:41:38,940 --> 00:41:41,040
Let's be, we're talking
about relationships.

802
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:46,380
Relationships that we sow into, that
we give into, that we receive from, you

803
00:41:46,380 --> 00:41:49,500
know, and, and we, we do with open arms.

804
00:41:50,130 --> 00:41:52,140
You know, 'cause we do
have some crazy folks.

805
00:41:54,299 --> 00:41:56,160
You know, you know, I'll
show up in a minute.

806
00:41:56,465 --> 00:41:59,910
I, I was just telling somebody
this morning that the day after I

807
00:41:59,910 --> 00:42:02,730
gave my life to Jesus, I remember
being in somebody's house.

808
00:42:03,090 --> 00:42:05,250
I remember, and they're
all lovely, godly people.

809
00:42:05,250 --> 00:42:08,640
And I remember going to the, to
the, the toilets in their house.

810
00:42:09,210 --> 00:42:11,100
And I looked in the mirror and I saw me.

811
00:42:12,780 --> 00:42:13,740
And I smelt me.

812
00:42:15,180 --> 00:42:20,430
And I just thought, what are these
lovely people wanting this street?

813
00:42:20,430 --> 00:42:20,880
Boy, you

814
00:42:20,885 --> 00:42:21,285
mm-hmm.

815
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,110
Who smells in their home.

816
00:42:25,650 --> 00:42:30,990
And as it came out, and as I was leaving
later that evening, the lady said to me,

817
00:42:30,990 --> 00:42:32,970
he said, we just love you being with us.

818
00:42:34,170 --> 00:42:35,430
You know, and that just,

819
00:42:35,550 --> 00:42:35,820
mm.

820
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,540
And this lady, it's one of those people
say the, you know, you don't have the

821
00:42:39,540 --> 00:42:41,730
soft side, do you just say it as it is.

822
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:48,510
And, you know, that just, I, I, I,
that really did something in me.

823
00:42:49,050 --> 00:42:50,070
And that's where I wanna be.

824
00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:56,790
It's interesting coming back to this word
legacy again, because to me it sounds of

825
00:42:56,850 --> 00:42:59,820
something which is permanent and lasting.

826
00:43:01,935 --> 00:43:07,214
But can be sewn in a, in a very mo quick
moment, thinking of a couple of guys you

827
00:43:07,214 --> 00:43:09,134
mentioned, our, Marshall for instance.

828
00:43:09,134 --> 00:43:12,794
But I walked through some stuff with
him very early on before his marriage.

829
00:43:13,484 --> 00:43:18,404
Another guy came up to me in church
about a month ago and he'd lived with us.

830
00:43:18,855 --> 00:43:22,095
Interesting time with him,
got some great stories,

831
00:43:22,455 --> 00:43:23,475
which he won't want me to tell.

832
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,464
And, and he came up
and just said, thank you.

833
00:43:28,095 --> 00:43:31,064
Thank you for that time when you,
you know, you took me in there.

834
00:43:31,904 --> 00:43:33,975
And you, you, you just sow something.

835
00:43:34,395 --> 00:43:35,685
You know, like that.

836
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:41,490
And I remember, sometimes I, I, I
get called, I'm fairly, unlike Dave.

837
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:45,060
Unlike Dave, I'm pretty practical
and done all sorts of stuff.

838
00:43:45,555 --> 00:43:46,115
I got a call,

839
00:43:46,470 --> 00:43:47,820
I dunno what you're trying to say, John.

840
00:43:48,900 --> 00:43:49,000
I just

841
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:49,800
dunno, I dunno what,
what he's trying to say.

842
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:50,580
Speaking truth.

843
00:43:50,580 --> 00:43:50,880
Guilty.

844
00:43:51,450 --> 00:43:51,870
Guilty,

845
00:43:52,135 --> 00:43:53,430
guilty, your Honor.

846
00:43:53,460 --> 00:43:58,140
And he called me about 11 o'clock at night
for some disaster going on in his shower.

847
00:43:58,710 --> 00:44:01,800
so I went round and
together we fixed it.

848
00:44:02,220 --> 00:44:06,390
And there are other times when people
have, have had a need, you know, and it

849
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:08,640
might be really inconvenient sometimes.

850
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:13,110
but to respond, it
just something Yeah.

851
00:44:13,590 --> 00:44:15,570
In that person that they, they matter.

852
00:44:15,930 --> 00:44:16,650
They're valuable.

853
00:44:16,770 --> 00:44:18,810
You care, you'll go out of your way.

854
00:44:19,290 --> 00:44:21,210
And that's a precious
thing to be able to do.

855
00:44:21,570 --> 00:44:22,470
We can all do that.

856
00:44:22,500 --> 00:44:22,650
Yeah, true.

857
00:44:23,010 --> 00:44:25,890
I mean, I started off being,
well, selfish an only child.

858
00:44:25,890 --> 00:44:26,430
Okay.

859
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:26,880
Okay.

860
00:44:27,210 --> 00:44:29,220
We only children must stand together.

861
00:44:29,610 --> 00:44:33,330
You know, the ty the typical thing about
being an opening child is not true.

862
00:44:33,810 --> 00:44:36,195
Some of us are reasonably
balanced now anyway.

863
00:44:36,195 --> 00:44:36,875
Thank God I've

864
00:44:36,875 --> 00:44:37,470
not seen any of them.

865
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:45,870
but the joy of giving and
getting alongside and being there

866
00:44:45,870 --> 00:44:49,410
for somebody else is fantastic rather
than having your own way privilege.

867
00:44:51,060 --> 00:44:51,360
Good.

868
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,580
So let me just go back
to the comments, chaps.

869
00:44:53,610 --> 00:44:55,710
'cause there's a lots, there's
lots going on here and I need

870
00:44:55,710 --> 00:44:56,700
to catch up a little bit.

871
00:44:57,330 --> 00:45:01,770
in some respects you've asked,
this answered this, Ellis said,

872
00:45:01,770 --> 00:45:04,890
for those who have, who never have
kids, how can they still leave

873
00:45:04,890 --> 00:45:06,600
a legacy to others around them?

874
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,610
Is it different or is it harder?

875
00:45:09,420 --> 00:45:10,650
Who wants to answer that question

876
00:45:11,250 --> 00:45:11,760
Different.

877
00:45:12,045 --> 00:45:14,655
I, I, Alice, I, I think
it's just different.

878
00:45:14,715 --> 00:45:15,315
It's giving,

879
00:45:15,375 --> 00:45:15,615
yeah.

880
00:45:15,615 --> 00:45:18,765
It just, it is giving, and may,
I've written down here, leg,

881
00:45:18,795 --> 00:45:21,435
legacy can be a legacy of Prayer

882
00:45:22,270 --> 00:45:23,290
Of presence.

883
00:45:23,350 --> 00:45:23,570
Yes.

884
00:45:24,015 --> 00:45:25,335
Of participation.

885
00:45:25,965 --> 00:45:27,225
And provision.

886
00:45:27,225 --> 00:45:30,460
Nick Harding would be very,
it would with four Ps. Yeah.

887
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:32,290
It's true.

888
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:33,130
It's true.

889
00:45:33,310 --> 00:45:34,730
We can, we we're there for each other.

890
00:45:34,930 --> 00:45:35,450
Yeah, yeah.

891
00:45:35,830 --> 00:45:41,385
And, and, and, and the, your legacy is
made of, of things that are valuable.

892
00:45:42,495 --> 00:45:47,055
That's what we, the, the, the,
the things that cost us the value.

893
00:45:47,055 --> 00:45:48,345
Well, that's what we wanna give people.

894
00:45:48,345 --> 00:45:50,625
We wanna give them valuables things.

895
00:45:51,735 --> 00:45:53,655
Other people may think they're useless.

896
00:45:55,605 --> 00:45:56,445
It's one of those, isn't it?

897
00:45:56,445 --> 00:46:00,045
Where again, you mentioned the Bible
verse, you know, the good man leaves an

898
00:46:00,045 --> 00:46:01,425
inheritance for his children's children.

899
00:46:01,995 --> 00:46:04,845
We, I read, I've read that for years
and thought, oh, I've, I've gotta

900
00:46:04,845 --> 00:46:06,105
make sure I'll leave him some cash.

901
00:46:06,495 --> 00:46:11,445
but it's the, in the, in the Hebrew,
it's much more than just wealth, right?

902
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:13,875
It's, it's, it's the,
the whole family story.

903
00:46:13,875 --> 00:46:15,315
It's the whole identity.

904
00:46:15,915 --> 00:46:18,345
and so seeing it
beyond that is important.

905
00:46:19,005 --> 00:46:25,275
Dion said in the comments, I have
really struggled with Christian mentors.

906
00:46:25,275 --> 00:46:29,775
I think that they can off, I think
what they can offer and my expectations

907
00:46:29,805 --> 00:46:35,715
are mismatched and I'm always left
disappointed, not having my needs met.

908
00:46:36,435 --> 00:46:36,975
Thoughts on that?

909
00:46:42,255 --> 00:46:48,315
It's all about relationship and I would
say people who or I mentor who I see,

910
00:46:48,555 --> 00:46:51,345
I want to know, I wanna walk with them.

911
00:46:51,345 --> 00:46:52,905
I want to get to know a
little bit about them.

912
00:46:53,295 --> 00:46:55,185
And you know, I have said, look.

913
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,339
You know, I can walk this with you and
talk about this with you, but I'm not

914
00:46:59,490 --> 00:47:02,819
necessarily the best person to walk
through this specific thing with you.

915
00:47:03,781 --> 00:47:07,049
but I do understand what, what
you're saying, but, you know, look for

916
00:47:07,049 --> 00:47:12,330
people who you see something that is
so godly that you can connect with and

917
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,149
try and find somebody who has got time.

918
00:47:16,290 --> 00:47:21,600
You know who or who will make time because
it will cost them and it should cost them.

919
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:25,859
What should a mental
relationship look like, John?

920
00:47:25,859 --> 00:47:26,310
Do you think

921
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,750
it's example being an example?

922
00:47:31,230 --> 00:47:32,460
Being honest?

923
00:47:33,435 --> 00:47:36,765
Being sort of feet of clay as well.

924
00:47:37,215 --> 00:47:38,445
You know, we're not perfect.

925
00:47:38,505 --> 00:47:40,455
we can get things wrong.

926
00:47:40,455 --> 00:47:41,595
We can say the wrong things.

927
00:47:41,595 --> 00:47:42,795
We can go to bed too late.

928
00:47:42,795 --> 00:47:44,115
We can get up too early.

929
00:47:44,355 --> 00:47:45,105
We're human.

930
00:47:45,525 --> 00:47:48,465
But to get alongside and be faithful.

931
00:47:48,645 --> 00:47:48,975
Yeah,

932
00:47:49,065 --> 00:47:49,875
be faithful.

933
00:47:49,875 --> 00:47:54,165
Hang in there and be honest, because
you mentioned your needs not being met.

934
00:47:54,165 --> 00:47:57,015
I, I don't mean this in an offensive
way, but sometimes there's a

935
00:47:57,015 --> 00:48:01,245
difference between needs and wants
and we don't get our wants answered.

936
00:48:01,425 --> 00:48:01,665
And

937
00:48:01,665 --> 00:48:03,855
there's often a good reason for
that because our wants could

938
00:48:03,855 --> 00:48:05,835
lead us in the wrong direction.

939
00:48:06,525 --> 00:48:11,955
but gets get, find just someone
who believes in you, who empowers

940
00:48:11,955 --> 00:48:14,475
you, who, wants the best for you.

941
00:48:14,475 --> 00:48:15,525
And you sense that.

942
00:48:16,005 --> 00:48:19,695
But it's gonna require a bit of
something from you too, to be honest.

943
00:48:20,384 --> 00:48:24,464
You know, to be able to hear
some difficult things and see

944
00:48:24,464 --> 00:48:28,245
that in, in those things being
highlighted, there can be release.

945
00:48:28,675 --> 00:48:29,535
There can be healing.

946
00:48:29,835 --> 00:48:31,544
There can be wholeness,
there can be moving on.

947
00:48:31,725 --> 00:48:35,714
You may have to forgive, you may
have to hear the positive words,

948
00:48:35,714 --> 00:48:40,125
not the rubbish and negative words
that get so fed into our minds.

949
00:48:40,484 --> 00:48:44,984
And all these influence out is out,
excuse me, influences out there.

950
00:48:45,555 --> 00:48:49,154
I guess some people are
very positive, but boy, can they

951
00:48:49,154 --> 00:48:50,220
lead you in the wrong direction.

952
00:48:50,220 --> 00:48:50,299
Yes.

953
00:48:50,355 --> 00:48:50,685
Yeah,

954
00:48:50,714 --> 00:48:51,044
totally.

955
00:48:51,044 --> 00:48:52,964
So feeding the wrong things.

956
00:48:53,355 --> 00:48:55,515
So we need ears to hear the right things.

957
00:48:55,935 --> 00:48:57,285
And be able to filter that.

958
00:48:57,794 --> 00:48:58,725
Pray for wisdom.

959
00:48:58,725 --> 00:49:02,055
I often pray very little
for material things.

960
00:49:02,055 --> 00:49:03,105
I pray for wisdom.

961
00:49:03,975 --> 00:49:06,915
You know, to know how
to, to respond to live.

962
00:49:07,335 --> 00:49:08,115
I mess up.

963
00:49:08,294 --> 00:49:09,674
Boy do I mess up at times.

964
00:49:09,674 --> 00:49:11,685
But, it's a journey.

965
00:49:12,944 --> 00:49:13,154
That's good.

966
00:49:13,154 --> 00:49:17,475
I think the, the other thing that
I'd say in terms of mentor relationships.

967
00:49:17,865 --> 00:49:20,835
from my experience is don't
expect them to be perfect.

968
00:49:21,495 --> 00:49:21,825
Right.

969
00:49:21,945 --> 00:49:25,395
Because they're not going to be, and
you have to make allowances for that.

970
00:49:25,545 --> 00:49:28,335
They're not gonna call you when you think
that they should, you know, they're not

971
00:49:28,335 --> 00:49:32,175
gonna ask you how you were when you think
that they should, because they've

972
00:49:32,175 --> 00:49:33,615
got their own stuff going on as well.

973
00:49:33,615 --> 00:49:34,035
Right.

974
00:49:34,575 --> 00:49:39,615
And I think, I learned, it's the
interesting thing I learned more about,

975
00:49:40,065 --> 00:49:42,675
my parents when I became a parent.

976
00:49:42,975 --> 00:49:43,245
Right.

977
00:49:43,665 --> 00:49:44,805
You just, you just do, don't you?

978
00:49:45,315 --> 00:49:50,775
and I think you learn more about
mentor relationships when someone mentors

979
00:49:50,775 --> 00:49:52,215
you, when you mentor somebody else.

980
00:49:52,935 --> 00:49:54,435
And you see that and you do that.

981
00:49:54,435 --> 00:49:57,225
So, I definitely would.

982
00:49:58,065 --> 00:50:01,095
Encourage, encourage that.

983
00:50:01,125 --> 00:50:02,025
Let me just,

984
00:50:02,265 --> 00:50:04,905
can I just say, Dave meant said,
he doesn't use the word mentor, but

985
00:50:04,935 --> 00:50:09,495
just remembered the Holy Spirit,
the one who comes alongside.

986
00:50:10,095 --> 00:50:11,595
And I think that's what we need to do.

987
00:50:11,685 --> 00:50:13,995
We need to come alongside.

988
00:50:13,995 --> 00:50:14,235
Yes.

989
00:50:14,625 --> 00:50:18,405
We don't pull along, we don't
drag along, we don't push.

990
00:50:18,795 --> 00:50:21,555
We come alongside and
we are willing to walk

991
00:50:21,945 --> 00:50:22,815
On that journey.

992
00:50:23,055 --> 00:50:29,655
We, you know, I like the, the know
the whole, you know, Jesus disciple

993
00:50:30,075 --> 00:50:34,575
model is one of discipleship and
you know, they just walk with Jesus.

994
00:50:34,575 --> 00:50:38,865
They listen, they spoke how he
spoke, they said what he said,

995
00:50:39,105 --> 00:50:40,635
they lived how he, he did it.

996
00:50:40,845 --> 00:50:43,995
And I think, you know, we live
in, in a day where lots of people,

997
00:50:44,205 --> 00:50:46,575
they disciple people to themselves.

998
00:50:46,845 --> 00:50:49,875
So they're almost saying, be like
me, rather than be like Jesus.

999
00:50:50,420 --> 00:50:53,385
And, and, and that's when we sometimes,
you know, that's what they, the issues

1000
00:50:53,385 --> 00:50:56,475
come, but I just encourage you to.

1001
00:50:57,629 --> 00:51:02,220
Connect with people, just
people who just love Jesus.

1002
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:07,290
And you get along, get close enough
to see if it's real, not perfect.

1003
00:51:07,859 --> 00:51:10,859
You know, I, I I'm going for
consistency, not perfection.

1004
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:18,960
You know, and, you know, I'm me,
you know, and I just want to be real

1005
00:51:19,620 --> 00:51:21,270
In, in my consistency.

1006
00:51:21,330 --> 00:51:25,950
And, and people will value the
things I'm consistent in and, and they

1007
00:51:25,950 --> 00:51:27,629
may pray for the things that I'm not so,

1008
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:28,319
you

1009
00:51:28,319 --> 00:51:31,529
know, good at, you know, for me and, you
know, make me a better person, whatever.

1010
00:51:31,980 --> 00:51:34,589
But I'd want them to pray,
make me more like Jesus.

1011
00:51:35,310 --> 00:51:37,109
Than their what, you
know, their expectation.

1012
00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:37,259
That's a

1013
00:51:37,259 --> 00:51:37,620
good point.

1014
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,020
One of the things I think too.

1015
00:51:41,310 --> 00:51:45,075
that, for me comes outta
this, as you were talking.

1016
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,200
God is a generational God.

1017
00:51:49,255 --> 00:51:49,710
He is,

1018
00:51:49,770 --> 00:51:53,430
he identifies himself in the
Old Testament as, the God

1019
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:55,260
of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

1020
00:51:55,770 --> 00:51:55,890
Right.

1021
00:51:55,890 --> 00:51:58,320
A good man leaves an inheritance
for his children's children.

1022
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,710
It's like, I mean, you
mentioned the thousand generations.

1023
00:52:02,370 --> 00:52:06,300
It's just like it's God's
never just about you.

1024
00:52:06,300 --> 00:52:08,700
He's about the generations
that come after you.

1025
00:52:08,850 --> 00:52:09,180
Right.

1026
00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:11,070
And those that you impact on.

1027
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:16,080
And I was reading the other day,
Paul's writing in his letter, and

1028
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:21,240
he, he, he's writing, to the
church and he says, and he's writing

1029
00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:22,530
this from the prison in Rome.

1030
00:52:23,130 --> 00:52:26,190
And he says, I want you to know that
everything that has happened to me.

1031
00:52:27,060 --> 00:52:28,110
Advance the gospel.

1032
00:52:28,260 --> 00:52:29,460
I mean, I'm paraphrasing slightly.

1033
00:52:30,450 --> 00:52:35,550
And so it's like he understood that
God had called him to go preach

1034
00:52:35,550 --> 00:52:37,080
the gospel, but he's in jail.

1035
00:52:37,140 --> 00:52:40,050
I'd be like, God, there's a wall
between me and my calling right now.

1036
00:52:40,050 --> 00:52:43,200
He's, he's, he's, what, what can he do?

1037
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:44,700
He writes a letter.

1038
00:52:45,150 --> 00:52:48,780
We still read that letter 2000 years
ago, and I wonder when he wrote it.

1039
00:52:49,290 --> 00:52:51,540
Did he realize the legacy of that?

1040
00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:55,230
Just what he could achieve
in, in prison in many ways.

1041
00:52:55,800 --> 00:53:00,450
And that seems to be God, he just, you
don't always remember the name, but you

1042
00:53:00,450 --> 00:53:03,960
remember there's something that's passed
down through the generations, isn't there?

1043
00:53:04,590 --> 00:53:09,300
and God is very much
a generational God, so, go

1044
00:53:09,300 --> 00:53:09,360
on.

1045
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:09,690
Sorry Matt.

1046
00:53:09,690 --> 00:53:12,180
Just with that, you know, like, you
know, for Paul, and I think this where

1047
00:53:12,510 --> 00:53:19,350
we sometimes get mixed up, you know,
Paul wasn't focusing on where he is.

1048
00:53:20,205 --> 00:53:25,695
Oh, even who he was with, he was
focusing on what has God called me to do.

1049
00:53:26,325 --> 00:53:30,195
And whether, you know, Paul's one
of those people wanted to spend loads of

1050
00:53:30,195 --> 00:53:31,455
time talking to you when I get to heaven.

1051
00:53:31,455 --> 00:53:31,925
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1052
00:53:31,965 --> 00:53:32,355
Must too.

1053
00:53:32,355 --> 00:53:34,200
Because got a bit of
an attitude, you know?

1054
00:53:34,380 --> 00:53:37,305
And, like myself and, get

1055
00:53:37,305 --> 00:53:37,875
on really well,

1056
00:53:37,965 --> 00:53:40,605
but, well, I wasn't gonna go that far.

1057
00:53:40,605 --> 00:53:41,080
I'm for Peter.

1058
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:41,640
I was not.

1059
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:42,920
You,

1060
00:53:43,020 --> 00:53:44,920
you, Peter on, well,

1061
00:53:46,035 --> 00:53:46,935
Peter to the lamp.

1062
00:53:46,935 --> 00:53:47,115
Paul,

1063
00:53:49,125 --> 00:53:52,485
I mean, that's, that's obviously after
many, many thousands of years with

1064
00:53:52,485 --> 00:53:55,845
Jesus course before you start typing.

1065
00:53:56,865 --> 00:54:03,405
But you know, Paul, he says, I've
been beaten X number of times.

1066
00:54:03,645 --> 00:54:07,245
I have been thrown, I have been
in prison, I have been shipwreck,

1067
00:54:07,905 --> 00:54:09,405
I have been nearly drowned.

1068
00:54:09,645 --> 00:54:09,985
I have.

1069
00:54:11,395 --> 00:54:12,780
And you know what?

1070
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:17,280
I am sure that, well, there are
scripture we see in scripture.

1071
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,080
There's ties, like what he's done in.

1072
00:54:19,415 --> 00:54:19,575
mm-hmm.

1073
00:54:19,655 --> 00:54:20,670
You know, he's wary.

1074
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,280
He's just depressed at one stage.

1075
00:54:23,850 --> 00:54:27,300
And, and it's funny, he's depressed
because he's being with all these

1076
00:54:27,300 --> 00:54:28,980
gentiles and they're getting saved.

1077
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,090
The Hebrews who are present
or just ignore and he's down.

1078
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:37,860
So he goes off to the side and he does
a bit of work on the side and God,

1079
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:43,350
and God continues and God just comes
alongside and says to him, listen, you

1080
00:54:43,350 --> 00:54:44,850
don't have some fear for your life.

1081
00:54:46,650 --> 00:54:48,630
As long as you keep proclaiming me.

1082
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:55,200
You know, and, and I think we just, our,
our legacy is in who we are and in, you

1083
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,570
know, what God is, is, is, is doing.

1084
00:54:58,170 --> 00:54:58,290
Through

1085
00:54:58,290 --> 00:54:58,350
us.

1086
00:54:58,755 --> 00:55:01,080
And you know, what about that jailer mass?

1087
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,120
You know, we we're talking
about, you know, generation.

1088
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:03,130
Yeah,

1089
00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:03,390
yeah.

1090
00:55:03,420 --> 00:55:05,520
The gospel was for you and your household.

1091
00:55:06,215 --> 00:55:08,430
You know, what about the
scriptures that are talking to

1092
00:55:08,430 --> 00:55:11,100
nations that is calling nations?

1093
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:15,210
You know, we look around the world
and we see God calling nations

1094
00:55:15,210 --> 00:55:17,455
terms of like in Iran and Yeah.

1095
00:55:17,460 --> 00:55:22,530
You know, and in China and Nigeria
we're talking huge pop, you know,

1096
00:55:22,590 --> 00:55:27,690
number of the population who would
turn into, so it's not just generation

1097
00:55:28,650 --> 00:55:29,760
that's beyond my little brain.

1098
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:30,240
By the way,

1099
00:55:31,530 --> 00:55:34,830
here's, here's an interesting thought
I just had about a reverse legacy.

1100
00:55:34,830 --> 00:55:36,180
Look at the story of Joseph.

1101
00:55:37,230 --> 00:55:38,790
How much was put into Joseph?

1102
00:55:38,940 --> 00:55:39,320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1103
00:55:39,690 --> 00:55:40,830
What he went through.

1104
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:42,090
Wrong attitude.

1105
00:55:42,569 --> 00:55:44,819
God had to do some character work on him.

1106
00:55:45,150 --> 00:55:46,290
False accusation.

1107
00:55:46,590 --> 00:55:47,190
Prison.

1108
00:55:47,340 --> 00:55:49,259
But still had that gift
that God had given him.

1109
00:55:49,259 --> 00:55:49,740
Absolutely.

1110
00:55:49,799 --> 00:55:51,660
And he is the salvation.

1111
00:55:51,720 --> 00:55:53,640
Yeah, absolutely.

1112
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:53,700
His

1113
00:55:53,700 --> 00:55:53,940
family.

1114
00:55:53,940 --> 00:55:53,950
Absolutely.

1115
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:55,710
No, that's really good.

1116
00:55:56,130 --> 00:55:59,549
Alicia has put in the comments,
I think Paul and me sometimes had

1117
00:55:59,549 --> 00:56:01,500
the occasional Ecclesiastes day.

1118
00:56:05,625 --> 00:56:06,085
We just

1119
00:56:08,100 --> 00:56:08,350
now that's good.

1120
00:56:10,529 --> 00:56:11,610
We might have to make the, if you're not

1121
00:56:11,625 --> 00:56:12,525
an of what?

1122
00:56:13,980 --> 00:56:14,910
An, an lamentation.

1123
00:56:15,150 --> 00:56:16,470
Lamentation Wednesday.

1124
00:56:16,565 --> 00:56:17,924
Lamentations Wednesday.

1125
00:56:18,090 --> 00:56:21,180
Just a practical thing, if I
could throw in here about Legacy.

1126
00:56:21,180 --> 00:56:23,730
my son Josh, he bought for me.

1127
00:56:23,730 --> 00:56:25,140
Have you heard of StoryWorth?

1128
00:56:25,650 --> 00:56:27,390
It's an American thing where.

1129
00:56:27,870 --> 00:56:31,800
They ask you a bunch of questions,
you answer them, they produce a

1130
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:33,900
book and it's your life story.

1131
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:34,230
All right?

1132
00:56:34,290 --> 00:56:35,880
Like, this is your life if you like.

1133
00:56:36,270 --> 00:56:36,900
He bought me that.

1134
00:56:36,900 --> 00:56:41,070
So I did it for about a year and wrote
down, answers to their questions.

1135
00:56:41,070 --> 00:56:43,950
Like, what would advice would
you give to the next generation?

1136
00:56:43,950 --> 00:56:44,200
Yeah, yeah.

1137
00:56:44,340 --> 00:56:45,030
Blah, blah, blah.

1138
00:56:45,510 --> 00:56:47,010
And anything you wanna say?

1139
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:48,930
I think that's a really good idea.

1140
00:56:48,930 --> 00:56:51,990
I know quite a few people
have done a life history.

1141
00:56:51,995 --> 00:56:52,335
Yeah, yeah,

1142
00:56:52,410 --> 00:56:52,680
yeah.

1143
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:54,690
You know, for their grandchildren.

1144
00:56:54,690 --> 00:56:54,810
Oh, that,

1145
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:56,850
well, Sharon's grandma did one.

1146
00:56:57,030 --> 00:56:57,420
Alright.

1147
00:56:57,515 --> 00:56:57,735
My

1148
00:56:57,735 --> 00:56:58,175
dad dad's

1149
00:56:58,175 --> 00:56:58,575
written the book.

1150
00:56:58,875 --> 00:56:59,295
Say again?

1151
00:56:59,395 --> 00:57:02,760
My dad's written a book
for, for his grandchildren.

1152
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:04,080
Of all the stories that have happened.

1153
00:57:04,405 --> 00:57:07,055
Your dad's done it and
he's got plenty his Yeah.

1154
00:57:07,380 --> 00:57:08,160
That's a great thing.

1155
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:08,490
That's a

1156
00:57:08,490 --> 00:57:09,000
real,

1157
00:57:09,330 --> 00:57:09,600
yeah.

1158
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,060
You know, we, we were talking about
testimonies before, you know, when I

1159
00:57:12,060 --> 00:57:14,490
was talking like, dance Dad.

1160
00:57:15,870 --> 00:57:20,520
As an evangelist, missionary, I dunno
what you'd call him, but when you listen

1161
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:24,000
to his stories, it just is faith in you.

1162
00:57:24,725 --> 00:57:27,540
And you think you may have
never wanted to go on mission.

1163
00:57:27,839 --> 00:57:30,944
We used to have a guy in church
called Dave Lee, you remember Dave?

1164
00:57:31,044 --> 00:57:31,384
Oh, Dave.

1165
00:57:32,404 --> 00:57:32,625
Oh.

1166
00:57:33,210 --> 00:57:36,089
You know, I would just
wanted to be a local pastor.

1167
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:40,470
And I remember talking with Dave
and he, he says, yeah, that's great.

1168
00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:43,109
And he said, Brandon's gonna pray to God.

1169
00:57:43,770 --> 00:57:47,339
You know what you have, and
he's gonna open the door.

1170
00:57:47,700 --> 00:57:49,859
And I'm really so passionate
about, oh, you know

1171
00:57:50,220 --> 00:57:52,680
Being in Ukraine or wherever Yeah.

1172
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,529
You know, which, but it
was what I saw in him.

1173
00:57:56,250 --> 00:57:56,970
What I saw.

1174
00:57:56,975 --> 00:58:00,600
And, and, and people like, you know, Dan's
dad and there's a number of other people

1175
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:02,819
that we have, you know, working overseas.

1176
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:04,620
Just sta something.

1177
00:58:04,770 --> 00:58:07,560
They, they put a investment
with their legacy in you.

1178
00:58:08,129 --> 00:58:09,600
But that's a, I love the book idea.

1179
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:10,710
It's a great idea.

1180
00:58:10,714 --> 00:58:11,910
It's, it's a really great idea.

1181
00:58:11,910 --> 00:58:12,299
And I love.

1182
00:58:13,020 --> 00:58:15,180
Grandma's book sort and found great.

1183
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:17,640
Just stuff about growing
up in the war and mm-hmm.

1184
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:20,400
Anyway, it's not available on Amazon.

1185
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,850
at least I don't think it is.

1186
00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:27,450
gentlemen, we are
fast run out of time.

1187
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:31,860
So, we are gonna
switch over to Live Lounge.

1188
00:58:31,950 --> 00:58:34,890
I'll put in the comments, the link.

1189
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:36,510
go.

1190
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:40,980
No, I will put the,
I'll put in the comments.

1191
00:58:40,980 --> 00:58:42,420
The link to Live Lounge.

1192
00:58:42,930 --> 00:58:48,300
This is where, we'll just get together
on Google meets just a bit like Zoom.

1193
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:49,500
I'll put the link in.

1194
00:58:49,860 --> 00:58:52,530
it's go dot Crowd.

1195
00:58:55,020 --> 00:58:56,640
Do Oh, spell it right.

1196
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:58,800
Church slash meet.

1197
00:58:59,430 --> 00:59:01,680
come join us in there.

1198
00:59:01,740 --> 00:59:03,600
come say how's, it's John and Dave.

1199
00:59:03,660 --> 00:59:04,950
it'd be good to see you in there.

1200
00:59:05,340 --> 00:59:09,330
yeah, we're gonna go to
that in just one second, huh?

1201
00:59:09,870 --> 00:59:10,380
Next week.

1202
00:59:11,265 --> 00:59:12,225
Oh, is that what that means?

1203
00:59:14,265 --> 00:59:14,535
Sorry.

1204
00:59:14,535 --> 00:59:15,255
You guys can't see.

1205
00:59:15,255 --> 00:59:18,285
I just got Dango, next week.

1206
00:59:18,975 --> 00:59:19,575
Thanks Dan.

1207
00:59:20,115 --> 00:59:20,444
it

1208
00:59:20,444 --> 00:59:20,565
was

1209
00:59:20,565 --> 00:59:21,285
a prophetic dance.

1210
00:59:21,944 --> 00:59:22,740
Prophetic dance.

1211
00:59:24,645 --> 00:59:25,154
Say again?

1212
00:59:25,245 --> 00:59:25,940
Link has appeared.

1213
00:59:27,330 --> 00:59:27,830
The linked

1214
00:59:28,330 --> 00:59:29,230
has Hasn

1215
00:59:30,194 --> 00:59:30,615
appeared, has it not?

1216
00:59:30,855 --> 00:59:30,895
Oh, okay.

1217
00:59:31,455 --> 00:59:34,154
yeah, next week I'll
fix the link as well.

1218
00:59:34,395 --> 00:59:38,715
Next week we are gonna be
looking at the start of Easter.

1219
00:59:38,715 --> 00:59:42,975
So we've got Easter going up next
week and the week after, aid

1220
00:59:43,065 --> 00:59:45,855
I think is doing next week live.

1221
00:59:46,230 --> 00:59:47,100
John, you getting off

1222
00:59:47,580 --> 00:59:50,745
permission to go to the
toilet, sir. Thank you.

1223
00:59:52,615 --> 00:59:53,345
It's many of us.

1224
00:59:53,345 --> 00:59:53,825
Certain age.

1225
00:59:56,485 --> 00:59:57,425
I'm maybe 71.

1226
00:59:57,565 --> 00:59:57,865
I'm going,

1227
00:59:58,525 --> 00:59:59,105
I'm going after.

1228
00:59:59,105 --> 00:59:59,305
You

1229
01:00:01,470 --> 01:00:04,185
couldn't have waited another 30
seconds for me to close the show.

1230
01:00:04,535 --> 01:00:05,385
This is brilliant.

1231
01:00:05,885 --> 01:00:06,960
you gotta love John.

1232
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:10,620
So yeah, next week we're talking
about Easter with a, the week

1233
01:00:10,620 --> 01:00:12,900
after we're talking you are doing
the talk the week after, right?

1234
01:00:13,350 --> 01:00:14,430
about Easter as well.

1235
01:00:14,430 --> 01:00:16,440
So next two weeks we
are focused on Easter.

1236
01:00:16,830 --> 01:00:21,960
After that we are jumping into a
series which I'm super excited about,

1237
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:24,180
called Jesus a Revolutionary.

1238
01:00:24,180 --> 01:00:29,460
And we're gonna look at about 31
different things that Jesus did

1239
01:00:29,460 --> 01:00:32,670
that's very can cultural even
today and quite revolutionary.

1240
01:00:32,670 --> 01:00:35,250
So, yeah, looking forward to it.

1241
01:00:35,730 --> 01:00:39,540
you've put Crowd Church
slash me in the comments.

1242
01:00:39,540 --> 01:00:40,770
It's not that link.

1243
01:00:41,370 --> 01:00:45,385
Oh, it's Go Crowd Church slash meet.

1244
01:00:46,545 --> 01:00:50,445
So, Dan will now put the
right link in the comments.

1245
01:00:53,325 --> 01:00:53,985
It'll appear.

1246
01:00:54,105 --> 01:00:56,955
so yeah, do come
join us in Live Lounge.

1247
01:00:57,285 --> 01:00:59,805
I'm not gonna ask John
'cause I definitely don't want

1248
01:00:59,805 --> 01:01:00,885
to go where he is right now.

1249
01:01:01,305 --> 01:01:02,655
anything from you in closing?

1250
01:01:02,655 --> 01:01:02,925
Chief

1251
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:08,895
I, you know what?

1252
01:01:08,895 --> 01:01:13,065
One of my favorite episodes of episode
is that one of my favorite,

1253
01:01:13,095 --> 01:01:14,385
live streams we've done for Crowd.

1254
01:01:14,385 --> 01:01:17,925
This has just been mental,
just cannot keep up.

1255
01:01:18,315 --> 01:01:20,565
You just knew it was gonna be a little
bit like this, and that's the fun of it.

1256
01:01:20,565 --> 01:01:22,365
So, that's it from me.

1257
01:01:22,395 --> 01:01:24,105
Thank you so much for joining us.

1258
01:01:24,135 --> 01:01:26,265
Have a phenomenal week
wherever you are in the world.

1259
01:01:26,265 --> 01:01:26,985
Of course.

1260
01:01:27,045 --> 01:01:31,005
Hopefully we'll see you in Live Lounge,
but this has been a real treat for me.

1261
01:01:31,365 --> 01:01:32,145
God bless you.

1262
01:01:32,175 --> 01:01:32,865
That's it.

1263
01:01:33,345 --> 01:01:33,675
Bye for now.