Success is the progressive realization of a worthy ideal.

I'm going to show you how great I am.

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So the premise of the show is that success is the progressive realization of worthy ideal.

That means you're going after what you've always wanted to go after because it's aligned with your highest values and as the only way to live a truly fulfilled, inspired, and successful life.

And on the show today.

Yes, yes, we do that on the show today.

It's for you, Shereen.

So on the show today, we've got Lebo.

She is an exotic dancer.

I know.

This is one of this.

This is a podcast I've been trying to do for a while.

I've been trying to get an exorcist on the show.

I just can't find them.

Oh, damn.

It's in the US I would want to get isango on the show.

There's many of those.

Yeah.

I was about to say, you can.

You can't go wrong there.

Yeah, yeah.

But they're trying to.

To charge me so that they can come here.

And I'm like, I don't think you know how podcasts work.

Like, that's not how it works.

And then I also want to try to get a polygamist on the show that I don't know of.

Good.

Because I was about to say, those shouldn't be too hard to find.

And today we've got.

She's an exotic dancer and she's a mother.

You are a mom, right?

Yeah.

Yes, she is.

She is a mother and she's.

She saw Calvin's episode.

It's your fault, Calvin.

She saw Calvin's episode and said, now it's time for us to have this conversation.

And then we have to bring Calvin back to see exactly what Calvin did.

I think he realized when.

So you saw Calvin's episode and you're like, I got.

I gotta go there.

It's a conversation to have.

Was this before or after he called children sex trophies?

I was like, nah, I gotta say something.

Gotta have a rebuttal.

This.

This is Calvin's fault, right?

So thank you very much for coming to the show and agreeing to this.

Yep, 100%.

It's good to have you.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

We gotta do that.

We gotta do that.

We gotta do that.

Now you, now you leaving me?

All right, good, good, good, good.

So this is the second episode that we're doing for the year.

The first of the conversation segment.

Right.

Were you admitted that Serena is the girl?

Yeah, Serena is the reason the goat.

Took you long enough.

God damn.

Welcome to the party.

All right, I'll take that.

It's fine.

I'll take.

No, she's a goat of women's tennis.

I just had to get over my snowbody crisis with Steffi.

Now you can go on the wall.

Now you can go on the wall.

It really doesn't matter because, listen.

But it doesn't actually matter because according to Dr.

Umar, Serena is a bunny hopper.

Well, she is.

She is.

I don't know what the male.

I don't care.

I don't care.

It's got nothing to do with me.

I, I, I, I just know that she, she married a white man.

I don't know what we call those.

Bunny hopper.

He still calls them bunny hoppers.

They're also snow bunnies.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

To him.

Snow hairs or something.

I don't know what to call them.

I don' Enough of us talking.

Non.

So and so.

And we've got monster today, I'm sure.

So today we'll just be drinking some monster because we.

Because we didn't have the other drink that you of choice that you wanted.

Now I can't do the accent now.

You can't.

You can't.

Now can't.

I got to go with the podcast.

Okay.

I can't, I can't do.

Do you drink it?

Do you drink it because you hustle?

Because you like it, right?

Yeah, it's like.

You like it.

Yeah, like the flavor.

I wish I could say the name, but like the flavor.

It you like.

You enjoy it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

All right, so as the Kosa said.

All right, wait, I'm a bit slow.

There we go, T.

All right.

Swallowing.

It's wrong.

A monster.

I hope I don't get kicked out of church tomorrow.

But anyway, let's hope you can walk into church.

So tell us about where you're from, where you grew up, and how what in your journey led you to being an exotic dancer.

Yeah.

Where should I start?

From the beginning.

Well, you can start where you want to start.

Yeah.

So I was born in 2000, April on the 5th.

She started from the very beginning.

Very.

The very beginning.

All right.

Okay.

I lived with my mom and dad up until they got a divorce in 2010.

And then.

Yeah, it's just been me and my mom ever since.

No siblings, school in 2019.

Took a gap year.

2020.

And then 2021, I worked.

That was a bad time to have a gap year.

2020, wasn't it?

Locked down.

It was locked down, yeah.

Yeah.

No, it was actually a good time to say again.

Yeah.

Because that's the one year that everybody was forced to take a gap year.

That was a disaster for.

Yeah, well, yeah, it was then 2021, I landed a job at Mastro D and Craig Hall.

Yeah.

I worked there for, like, two, two and a half years.

Yeah.

What did you.

What did you do there?

It's maestro daily in Craig.

I was a general assistant.

It's a nice way of putting it.

What's the.

What's.

What's the other way of putting it?

I do basically everything.

Everything on your shoulders.

Yeah.

Like barista.

Making a gelato, which is ice cream for an Italian.

Making sandwiches.

Yeah, basically everything.

Waiting tables.

And then I worked.

I fell pregnant.

2022.

And then.

Yeah, I worked up until like, nine months.

And then I delivered.

I delivered.

And you worked.

You worked.

You worked throughout your entire pregnancy because.

You'Re not even maternity leaving.

And next.

No, darling, not once.

Was this because the maestro was like, nah, bro.

No, I.

It was my choice because the baby daddy got shot, so he had to stop working entirely.

Damn.

But I feel like he was a bit lazy.

Honestly speaking.

A bit.

He got shot.

Just.

He got shot.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

What do you do for a living?

What do you do for a living?

Worked at car track.

As the security guard.

No, like, transporting cars, putting in trackers and stuff like that.

Okay, that's okay.

That's a good job.

So how did he get shot?

No, no, before the laziness.

How did he get shot?

So I went.

And why?

I went home to visit my mother.

Yeah.

And then he.

He got bored because he's used to me always being with him all the time.

So I was like, nah, I want to go visit my mom.

And then he went out to chill with his friends.

So there was, like, a group of people, like, know, taxi drivers, so they were shooting shots like Biggie P.E.

but then this idiotic pointed it to, like, people.

Why?

I don't know.

I don't know.

I come back how no one's at home.

They were trying to call Me.

But, like, was like, see them later.

I get to his apartment.

He's not there.

I call his mom.

His mom tells me that he's in the hospital.

Like, yo.

And then tomorrow I have work.

So in 20, 20, 21, there was that king.

The stages were like, oh, level one, level two.

So we used to work in shifts.

Like, I would work two weeks in and tweaks out.

So it's not a bad shift.

So this is why you're still pregnant, right?

I was still pregnant, yeah.

And then I couldn't not go to work.

It's like, okay, I'll see him when I come back.

And then he was like.

He recovered.

Where did he get shot?

So it went through here.

Oh, out there.

Oh, so they shot him twice?

No, the bullet went.

So he was like.

So he was standing like this in the bullet?

Should be.

No, I shouldn't be laughing.

I know.

He's unlucky.

Ah, he's unlucky, dog.

He's unlucky.

Wow.

Funny.

But it's not funny.

But it's unfortunate.

It's not.

It's not like.

Damn.

So he was minding his business even?

Yeah, he was just smoking outside and got shot.

I covered.

And then he.

I think it was two month or two.

He stayed at home, and then I was, like, going to work, coming back, looking after him, taking care of him.

Fine.

So what?

He couldn't work at that time?

He couldn't work at that time.

And then he healed.

He went, like, to work for, like, two.

Two weeks.

One.

I quit.

I will.

Why he quit?

I don't know.

Even to this day, I don't know.

He never asked him.

Why did you quit?

Well, I asked him, and then he was like, no, you can't do it.

Like, plain block.

Like, you're driving, for God's sakes.

It's not like you're doing hard labor.

And then for a while, I worked.

That's why I worked up until nine months.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

Because the man didn't do what he was supposed to be doing.

Exactly.

And then.

And then I would assume y'all ain't together anymore.

No, we are not.

How long after he quit his job.

Did y'all stay together while I stayed until 2022.

So he quit his job, and then you were pregnant and working and taking care of both of y'all.

Damn.

What's this?

Okay, I'm not gonna ask his name, but I hope if you're watching this baby.

Don't do that.

I knew if you're watching this Baby.

I knew you were gonna do.

I hope you are ashamed of yourself.

No, like, what are you doing?

He got shot.

I get you got shot as keys now, but make a plan, bro.

Make a plan.

What you must.

They say you got lazy.

So I thought she was maybe being unreasonable.

Got shot, bro.

He just didn't want to work.

I think, I think, I think you went through something.

I had like a mental break.

Did he, did he hate his job?

I don't think so, cuz I know for a fact, cuz he was paid.

Well, if I hate my job and I get shot, I ain't going back.

That's where I'm going to.

That's what I'm going to realize.

There's bigger things in life, bro.

Yeah, there's bigger and more important things in life.

But bigger and more important things in life are your unborn child.

So how, how old is your kid now too?

He turned three.

He turned three.

Boy.

Boy, child.

Damn, that's even.

That's even worse now.

Hello.

Damn.

So I worked till nine months.

I gave birth in January.

Yeah, 22.

I took a four month leave.

Okay, okay.

After that, yeah, things started getting out of hand.

Started becoming like too obsessive.

Like.

Yeah, the.

The baby daddy with no job.

Stop it.

I am asking, I'm asking, I'm asking.

Like you would make up stories still with no job.

Miscarriage.

Yeah.

Okay, So I went.

And you were paying rent.

No, I went back home after giving birth.

I was like, okay, okay.

I would like dress when I wear something short.

He would, he would always say like, so, like a lot of things.

He was like, jealous.

And you know when I like leave my mom with my, my son and try like go out in your shower more, he would like attack me on the streets.

Attack you on the streets?

Like physically or just verbally?

Physically.

Physically attack you on the streets.

You'd like grab my hair off and then I have to go.

I'm starting to dislike this dude less and less.

I'm starting to dislike this dude.

And the minute I learn your name.

What are you gonna do now?

Now you must.

Nice.

Now I must spend five hours editing and removing all the parts where I said his name.

Because now I'm gonna keep throwing him on blast and using him in as an example.

No, no, no, I'm.

I'm not editing that stuff.

No, no, no, you're gonna do it.

Not my podcast.

Hey, on the credits, you're there as sound engineer, so editor.

Yes.

So they'll be like, oh, this man.

He didn't Stand on business.

Not much.

I'm minding my business and getting shot as well.

So he'd be attacking you physically in the streets.

I'd have to now go back home.

I'm crying.

My mom is like, what's going on?

I tell her, we go.

She tells me to go to his mom and tell him.

Tell her what has been happening, the reason why I left.

Actually, I go to the mother, like when you guys are all lovey dovey.

Ah, she's right.

She.

In life.

She's right.

She's right.

Okay.

It continues.

What do I do?

I.

I get a.

So I go to the police.

Yeah.

So that they can like, you open the case.

Yeah.

Like, you must stop.

Yeah.

If it touches me or come close to me.

Oh, okay.

You still got a restraining order?

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

So you haven't seen him since?

Well, no, I haven't seen him since.

You haven't seen him.

So what about the kid he's with?

Like.

So he's my mom.

The.

The mother.

And then he spends some time also with the other grandma from the time.

Oh, okay.

So the only way.

So the, the times he gets to see he.

The kid is to go the.

To the grandma.

Okay.

Does he at least play a role in his kid's life?

Yeah, he does.

Oh, that's good.

That's good.

Does he have a job now?

No, I don't see him or anything.

I don't want to see him.

I'm fine.

I've had my share.

Okay.

And we're all the same age.

We all the same age.

No, he's older than me.

How much?

How much?

How many?

How many?

I think he's turning 8 this year.

No, 29.

Sorry.

Okay.

Hey.

Okay.

Okay.

I find.

So, okay, I go back to work right after four months.

Okay.

Now, like, I can't stand leaving my son.

It hurts because I keep thinking about him.

And then I also, like, I.

Then I like, I stayed at home, so.

So you resigned because you couldn't stand, like, not being with your child.

Yes.

Damn.

Really?

How bad does that get?

Because I've heard people going through that and saying, yo, I find it very hard to separate myself.

I think it's called mother's remorse or something.

Yeah.

Guilt or something like.

Something like that.

How did that.

Why, how does that even happen?

I don't know.

Because, like, when I went back to work, I called my cousin.

I was like, nah, can you please come look after him?

I'll pay you.

She was like, I fine.

But still, like, I wasn't happy, like, going to work.

When I come back, like, he won't know me.

You want your baby with you?

So I.

So I just resigned and took care of him myself.

Every time when I would, like, call the father and be like, isn't this guy.

Like, you'd make excuses, man.

I didn't know.

I can't go to the bank and take out that.

Thank God I had a backup plan.

What was your backup plan?

My savings.

Okay, I see.

That's.

People.

That's a woman are better at saving than us.

Chancellor.

So that pushed me.

Pushed me up until he was like, I think a year.

And then 20, 23 came.

My friend came to me.

Her name is Nonto.

Cookie, AKA Cookie.

Hey, Cookie.

I just said, hey, Cookie.

Hey, Cookie.

So she comes and visit.

I'll call her because.

Yeah, yeah, she comes and visits me.

I'm like, okay.

She stays with us.

And then she's like, friend.

There's this place I want us to go work day.

I'm like, okay.

I'm like, let's go.

How.

This is getting good.

I'm like, cookie, why didn't you say?

I'm like, okay.

I like a very good dancer.

She's lazy.

Sorry.

She's lazy.

Yeah, she is.

It's the truth.

So, yeah, I take.

She said it, not me.

Damn.

I take classes, and then I get my first show, and then that's how I became.

Damn.

So you took classes?

There's an actual course for this?

Not a course, man.

And what.

And then where do they offer these classes?

Asking for a friend.

Yeah, I'm also asking for a friend.

Yeah.

You understand?

Oh, it's in house training.

Oh, that's smart.

That's cool.

From a business model perspective.

Business model perspective.

So, yeah, go ahead.

No, no.

So you were sitting at home minding your own business.

Yes.

No.

And then the lazy.

Cookie.

Sorry, sorry, I'll stop.

You said it.

You said, hey, hey.

So says, I want us to go work at this place.

And she didn't clarify what the work was going to be.

I needed a job.

So I was like, what?

Why didn't you go back to the barista?

Yeah.

No, like, my working experience there wasn't pleasant.

Like, okay, I was the youngest Fosters, so they would use me, man.

And like, maybe, like, let's say I get tipped.

The tip has to go to everyone.

I've heard of establishments that do that, right?

Why?

They didn't.

They.

They don't know where that money came from.

No, they.

Well, so some waiters.

Because I was I was tipping.

Where was I?

I was a news cafe.

Do you know in this place called the Midrand.

I can't remember what the place is called.

It's by like La Parad.

I can't remember the name.

La Parade in Midrand.

Yeah, yeah.

It's not La Parada, but it's another place that's close by, quite fancy place.

So I wanted to tip though the waitress because I know that you know, waitresses, they survive on tips.

Yeah, that's what a friend told me.

Yeah.

And I was like, let me tip.

And she's like, no, no, can you give me the money directly?

I said, why?

Because the tip doesn't come to me directly.

Yeah, I've heard that if you want to tip, you gotta tip in cash because then.

Yeah, also.

Also here.

Yeah, yeah, neighborhood.

Really?

Yeah.

Damn.

Yeah, that is very true.

Yeah.

The place that sells ribs.

Yeah.

Every time I go there, I just tip on the bill.

Yeah.

I mean, I need to, I need to do better.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So just so like.

So, yeah, so I think it's to.

Make it a practice, but who carries, who still carries cash in this world?

Me.

Well, I mean, hey, you know what?

Ask your question.

So she did ask.

So you didn't go back there because the working experiences at the barista wasn't quite pleasant to be used.

And every time you try to, you get a tip, they.

They tax you on your tip.

Taxation on the tip is what?

So when you say you're going to go, go dance, what made you say, okay, shop, I'm gonna carry on, I'm gonna stay.

Why?

I also wanted to know.

This is, this is, this is, this is one from.

For my Verus K.

She said, I must ask you, why are you a dancer?

So why did you continue to say, okay, fine, I'm be a dancer.

Car on.

Because I'm good at it.

Okay, okay.

Never heard of that before.

You know, simple, simple.

Okay, all right.

Simple.

Damn.

So there was no.

So it wasn't just with money.

It was cuz you, you were good at it and you're like, all right, let's keep going.

Well, I could say money also, but basically I love dancing and I express myself through dance.

Yeah.

Some people won't understand it, but it's for just a few.

All right.

Yeah.

So it's the money and that I'm a good dancer.

All right.

And how was your first time on stage?

Yeah, I was about.

I was like.

What is that?

Wait, I'm trying to describe.

Okay, okay.

I was nervous Having, like.

Because it's a center stage and everybody's looking at.

Oh, my God.

I was like, okay, let me do this.

I took.

Before I got on stage, I took, like, I think six shots.

Damn.

Of tequila.

Six.

Just so that.

Yeah.

I got on stage.

Killed.

It did.

My people loved it.

This.

Yeah.

Because, like, hey.

I was like, should I.

Should I go back to 9 to 5?

The money is good here.

So I was thinking every week, so I'll take my chances being a dancer.

And that's what you've been doing since 2023.

Yeah.

Damn.

Damn.

Was.

Excuse me.

And then your.

Your family, your mom and them.

Did you tell them what you do?

Yeah, I told my mom what she said.

What did she say?

She was like, I.

It's your path.

You chose your path, and I won't judge you for that, but my other family is judging me.

What's the other family like?

Mom.

Okay.

My mom.

My mom's grandma.

Cousins.

Yes.

So they're like, so basically in their mind, what was.

I would.

Yeah.

So I was like, you know what?

As long as my mom knows and she doesn't judge me about it.

But I bet they still.

They still ask you for money.

That's.

That's.

I bet they still ask you for money.

That's wild, man.

I tell them straight.

Oh, wow.

This is.

This is.

This is liberating.

This chat with Bro man.

I was like, if someone disagrees with the work that you do and the lifestyle that you live, let's say you disagreed with me and my speaking and podcasting.

Yeah.

And then you're like, I know I can still have money.

I'm like, no, you can't have both ways.

You can't have it both ways.

If my job is not good enough for you, then simple.

Look, I.

I don't want you to involved in perpetuating something you don't like.

So no.

Wow.

That's.

That.

That's strength.

Well, not even.

Straight.

This is common sense, but, like, hard to say no to your family, so.

No, no, no, no.

Even my mom.

I'm like, if you dare give them.

I'm gonna start saying that.

Sort her out.

Quick, quick.

Oh, wow.

That made my day.

You saw.

Okay, I want you to go back to the family that was judging you.

Did they call you?

Is that what they said?

No, they didn't.

They say so basically.

That is.

No.

They insulting you by being euphemistic still no.

No.

I was like, did they directly call you that?

Yeah, like, direct.

They told my mom.

Me.

I called them I'm like why do you guys like.

Because my cousin apparently she was feeding them information about my life because my mom.

What is wrong with these cousins?

Oh next.

You'Re judging me for trying to make ends meet.

Do you find that the people who don't have anything to do or focus on are the ones who generally the haters and the backbiters and the.

I think.

I think so.

I'm not even in the industry but I think so.

I think all the people that hate on a profession are people that just.

You've never had to actually try to do anything you give me or usually man you only hate from outside the club because once you're in you understand what's happening.

And even if we are.

No, if you are.

If you wake up and we are somewhere exceeding you're doing something with your life you have no time to be looking at other people and judging what they do.

Yeah.

Because you understand that at the end of the day hey we dala what we must.

Hey Joe.

Hey.

It's tough out here.

Yeah bro.

Seeing this economy she's like I.

I went to go buy a.

A chocolate 150 gram chocolate and it was like 45 rand.

I remember a time when I were growing up that Same chocolate was eight.

Grand buffet pie is thirty bucks.

15 20.

When I was in second grade coke and a pepper steak.

15 Rand.

I used to buy a pie for.

Seven rand 50 put at 23 rands there now some sometimes you're even finding.

15 years ago it was seven rand 20.

I mean I'm telling you for 15 years ago it was.

Yes.

Actually you're right.

Yeah.

That's the time I'm thinking about as well.

Yeah.

100.

Yes.

My life, my life is as tough out there.

I don't understand how people can just sit home and just do nothing.

And expect someone to take care of them.

Like man I saw this one thing truck if next and I'm like that's so true.

Thank you.

That's so true.

Thank you.

And I don't mind like, like.

Even.

If you're slow, even if you are.

I know slow people that wake up and do something.

Who are these slow people that you.

Ah bro, I know this one dude back home in Vinda.

He is.

He's one of those people where you can actually tell that he has some sort of disability.

Right.

But he's still able bodied but you can tell that slow maybe.

Yeah.

Mentally and everything.

He's not necessarily.

You wouldn't put him in an office and expect him to run a company, right?

Yeah.

Do you know that dude does what we have?

Okay, that's something, bro.

That's.

That is honorable, bro.

It's honorable to me.

And I.

And, and I, I commend him for that.

Honestly.

Shout out to people who are going to do whatever it is about they need to do to put food on the table, even though it's difficult.

Except for murder.

Except for murder and rituals.

How.

Okay, fine, fine, fine.

How about thieves?

Yeah, how do you feel about thieves?

Cuz I'm kind of on the fence about that one.

I.

I'll give you my take on thieves, okay?

If you are an employee and you work but don't work, you're a thief.

Ben Simmons.

Kawhi Leonard.

Kawhi Leonard, Yes.

They know themselves.

You know those employees that you're busy sitting on Tick Tock and Facebook and Instagram and you're busy judging other people's professions instead of doing your own work.

You are a thief, man.

You are a thief, sir.

And you should take that money and give it back to the company because you're not doing the work that you were supposed to be doing.

Thieves.

Thieves.

Yeah, so you.

I'm talking about robbers.

Yeah, like, like criminals.

Like, like.

Because the, the, the thing there.

I don't, I can't necessarily judge them at a personal level.

Why?

Because I don't know what it is that they've gone through to get to that point.

Because if you understand another person's story, you're going to be less quick to, to judge them.

Now if that is the only avenue that they had shop, then there are those people.

They just do it because they're bored.

They're.

They're the jokers of society.

Yeah.

You just do things because.

And then there are people who, like, for example, that lady I was telling you about yesterday.

Yeah.

She said she had her life together.

She was a teacher.

Yeah, that's why.

That's wild.

This lady was a teacher, right?

Had her life together, had a good job, house, car, everything.

Yeah.

She said within a year or two she was sleeping in cemeteries, breaking into people's houses and stealing cars.

Because she got on that, started taking crystal meth and then her life.

Crystal meth.

And how do you do that at 31, bruh?

Like, because now, now you're gonna break bad.

Now at 31, you're gonna start.

You're gonna start taking drugs at 31 when you have your life together about marriage and children.

When I'm thinking about.

No, you're not.

She got on that she lost her 30s because of that.

So those are the people where I'm like, ah, we're now we're.

So what they doing?

And I'm not going to look at it from a moral biblical perspective because that has its own mandate to say what you should and shouldn't do.

I'm just going to look at it from like a societal perspective.

If you, if you can find another way, shop, but you don't know what little person to get to that point.

True, true.

Shouldn't do it.

The person who made me see that.

Yeah.

Was my living when he said, what else can I do?

What can I do?

And I didn't go to school only all my life.

All I know is crying like he's a product of his environment.

Bro, you gave me.

All right, so show you with your last point.

So, so, so is where you start, is there like an orientation where they're black?

So this is training, dog.

You heard training.

Yeah, I know, but I don't like what, what, what, what, what is the workplace etiquette, is there?

I'm trying to liken it from, to like a normal, like, not to say normal, like an office environment.

Like where you, like if you were to go and work at like a retail place, there's, there's standard operating procedures.

You, you come in at 5, come in at 9, leave at 5.

This is your uniform.

This is what you should wear.

This is what you shouldn't wear.

This is how you act.

This is so like.

Did they break it down?

So this is how you're going to conduct yourself here?

Or is it just the Wild West?

Hello?

Not the Wild West.

Well, it is, honestly speaking, because you find out it's cut.

So like they don't.

They will just tell you that you're supposed to be on shift, quarter two eight.

Oh.

So we, we hold meetings.

So you should be in the meeting.

If you're not there, then you'll be late find.

Yeah, stuff like that.

And then the rest you just learn as time goes.

What do you mean you learn as time goes?

Hello, people.

Well, come on, club.

You, you had to learn that over time that you're not supposed to hit people.

Isn't that not just like, you don't hit people.

Yeah.

You don't hit like the customers that come, like, if, even if they disrespect you to a bouncer.

How is that, bro?

It's horrible.

How is that?

Because I would assume there are some people that just see you as objects.

Exactly.

How is that?

It's horrible.

It's horrible.

It feels awful.

Book.

But like, you know what shot.

So would you be able to handle that without Jose Cuevo?

No.

Damn.

Cuz I'm very rude and very blind.

Very rude and very blunt.

Well, thank you for being nice to us.

Thank you.

And flatness.

So being nice to us on our studio.

Thank you.

So I get straight to the point.

Don't do that.

So when, at least when I take some shots, I'm fine.

Like, I'm mellow, you know, they'd be.

Like, have you ever done any, any hard drugs for it?

No, never.

Thank God.

Just weed.

Okay.

Okay.

I ain't judging for that one.

I ain't judging for that one.

You wouldn't dance it.

I would never.

I would.

Me.

Never.

My mother, so.

My mother too.

My mother.

That pasta madal.

Don't.

Don't watch this.

So do other girls.

Do other girls do it?

Yeah.

Damn.

Now how are they?

Because I would this the same way.

You're saying it's not easy to get up on that stage and thank you.

Thank you for tequila.

So how do they, how do they come across?

Are they, for lack of a better term, are they up?

Well, you can tell that.

Okay.

And then sometimes because they'll be like, yeah, because we're not allowed to smoke weed or any drugs like in the club.

So, you know, they go upstairs, they smoke their things, they come back.

And now the girls, you don't have that supply anymore.

Where does your money go?

There.

So.

So the money that they make, they spend it on drugs.

Damn.

That's a very, very, very bad financial plan.

Yeah.

Damn, it's terrible.

A woman quickly shows when she's on something.

Lose weight and remember in the Tony's.

So we can.

So once we start seeing your ribs, we're like, I.

When I'm sorry.

Damn.

I mind my own business.

And tell her what you must.

Tell her what you must.

And going there at a.

You were still very young when you started.

She's still 24, 25.

Respect us.

You're 25.

Respect us.

Right now the year started, dog.

Right now the year started.

It's 25.

I said 25 year old male.

If I say, if I go into an objective calculator, doesn't care about anybody's feelings.

And I say the 14th of February 2000 and put today just a month.

Just a month.

Just a month.

It's going to say 24 years.

I'm three weeks away.

It's going to say 24 years.

And how end 11 months.

14.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I'm a Valentine's baby Valentine's baby, yeah, yeah.

I'm a love.

I'm a love baby.

So you're still 20 now.

So she's still 24.

25, right?

24.

All right.

Yeah, yeah.

So.

So still quite young.

You're 25.

Br.

Don't.

Don't let him lie to you.

I want to make him happy.

Whatever makes.

Fine.

So Chelsea FC starting.

I know this goes where I work.

When I started there, I was also just.

I.

I turned 20.

I was 21, about to turn 22 a few months later, and I was the youngest there, actually, I still am.

And it's so weird, like you said earlier with your previous job as well.

It's so weird being the youngest person in an establishment.

What's the age.

What's the average age for.

For the dancers there where you work?

21.

21.

Ah, now you come.

Now you're coming into an.

Into an environment where you're.

You're with your peers, you're with.

With your people.

How did they make you feel?

Because when old.

When you work with old people, they will let you know that you're young.

They will let you know that you don't have the necessity, necessary experience, nor skills for this.

How is it working with your peers.

Especially old psychopaths will do that.

Only.

Only psychopaths.

Older people, psychopaths will make you feel like you're not.

Bro.

I'm just saying, bro.

Now I'm.

I'm defending my older people.

I've worked.

I've worked with old people, bro.

But that's so unpleasant.

They were psychopaths.

Like, do it yourself.

Yeah, they're giving you experience.

Do it yourself.

Experience.

Experience.

You're using the old card on me now.

Like, it's the experience card.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

When we're at work.

When we're at work, you're nj.

NJ from work.

Sorry, it's Doctor.

Doctor.

Yeah.

Doctor.

If we work together.

I'm not calling you by any title.

No, no, no, no.

I don't want put.

I learned that that name carries so much baggage, so much package.

All right, so back to your question.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

How is it working with your peers, man, Especially in that environment?

It feels nice because I get along with everyone.

It's not that they're my friends or anything.

It feels because, like, even the things we talk about, you know.

Yeah.

The Hambilan.

So it makes.

It's fine.

And then money, beef.

According.

HR.

Baba.

That's why I say I mind My own business.

But yeah, when they beef, that's why I'm like me.

I don't fight too.

It's like, look at me.

So you just go there.

So you just go there, do your set, and you're out.

Who's involved in handling disputes?

The managers.

So there is hr.

Yes.

It's either like if you fight, you get suspended for two weeks.

Mean that you can't work for two weeks.

You don't come at all.

You don't come near.

And now what if you're doing that to defend yourself?

Like, like you said earlier with.

With clients and customers being disrespectful.

Their cameras, they rewind the cameras and they look how it started.

And if.

Yeah, if you're defending yourself.

Kambalu.

Okay, okay.

So what are some of the misconceptions that people may have about the work that you do?

What can I say?

That basically we're hookers and.

Yeah.

So where does that misconception come from?

Well, because we don't dress.

We are always, you know, half naked.

And like, even when we go out, like, you know, not everybody would do this kind of hair, you know, or dress the way we do in public.

So.

Yeah.

So let me play devil's advocate.

Let me play devil's advocate.

Those people that, that say you guys are hookers, isn't that, Isn't that because they've seen some.

Some of people in your industry doing hooker work, for lack of a better term?

And that's what gives the bad.

Because I believe that every stereotype has a bit of truth to it.

Yeah.

No matter what you say, no matter what you tell me or what you do.

Dark and handsome.

Yes, yes.

And rich.

That one will come.

But like, we need to do some work.

We're speaking into existence.

Just, just go carry on.

But then we're not standing on the streets.

Most we in the club.

So how do they know?

That is a valid question.

Great question.

That was a valid question.

It's either they know from experience.

Oh, even if they reminds me of that biblical story, you know, that that woman that was caught in the act of adultery.

So these religious oaks abundis of the day when Jesus was still walking the earth, they found hooker.

Mary?

No, Jezebel.

Was it Mary?

Jezebel was a witch.

So wait, wasn't it Mary?

I think it was.

I don't know what her name was.

Mary Magdalene.

The story just says the woman quotes an act of adultery.

The one who washed his feet?

No.

Oh, I know.

Okay.

Speak to your mom.

Yeah.

Of the day they caught this lady in the act of adultery, and they brought her to the feet of Jesus and they say, here's this woman who was caught in the act of adultery.

And they tried to trap Jesus by saying, hey, what are we going to do with this person now?

A couple of things with that.

Where were you to catch the woman in the act of adultery?

Were you guys were watching?

Were you helping?

Were you assisting?

Were you in line, sir?

My man, Jesus.

And then he said, he who was without sin cast the first stone and they all left.

Which tells me.

Oh, that's where he.

That's where that comes from.

Yeah, yeah.

So he was without sin, didn't cast the first stone.

So basically was saying, who.

He who has never died in that arena.

Come here.

Come, come, come.

Do your thing.

Come do your thing.

Damn.

Ah, I see, I see, I see.

Ah.

And then with the people that, with the people that you work, do you guys.

Do you guys get along?

Do you guys have friendships?

Do you guys.

Well, I only have one friend, and then the rest are just colleagues.

Is this, Is this, Is this friend Cookie?

No.

So does Cookie still perform more?

Well, she's a pop girl.

What's a pop girl?

Oh, what do they do?

Pop bottles.

Pop bottles.

Oh.

With the sparklers, you understand?

And where can we find Cookie?

Just.

Just ask him for a friend.

He's asking for a friend.

I.

I don't want to know.

I don't want to know.

Totally asking for a friend.

Okay.

Yeah, just.

Cuz I enjoy.

I enjoy bottles, you know?

I like bottles.

You find a Jewel City if you want.

Where is that?

Wait, Jewel city?

Yeah, it's Jewel City just above my.

Above Mabo.

Got you.

Got it, got it.

Maybe, maybe, maybe they got good deals.

Of course, of course.

Damn.

So how are you?

How you, how you conceive?

Like, misconceived?

Are you misunderstood?

Do you feel like you're misunderstood?

Do you feel like you're.

The work that you do is misunderstood?

Because we've got past the judging part because, like, your family still judges you and still want money.

Like the disrespect anyway.

There's levels to this, chief.

But then.

Or do you feel that you guys are misunderstood?

Wait, let me take a.

To be honest.

Yeah, I feel like we're misunderstood because not all of us, like, do what other others do, you know?

Yeah.

So they, like, we are misunderstood either way.

Either way.

Okay, so like one person acts like the same.

He's like, no, all of.

Okay, so you just accepted that.

Unless you know you just judge me and it's fine.

Yeah, Damn.

It's okay.

Damn.

And.

I actually should have programmed onto this.

Okay, yeah.

Phoenix, the exotic Phoenix, the exotic dancer.

Yes.

How.

First, before you go there, how did you come up with the name?

Yeah, that's a great question.

Actually, I used to watch Harry Potter.

I came across the name Phoenix, that.

Is Order of the Phoenix.

Order of the Phoenix.

So that's how I know the name of the book.

Order of the Phoenix.

Yeah, yeah.

That's the fifth Harry Potter book.

Don't ask me how I know.

Right?

Me know, me know.

So this whole time you've been here, we've been saying exotic dancer.

How do you feel about the word stripper?

Why you got to do that?

We're asking how.

I knew.

I knew you were going to do.

It, but like, you still weren't ready for it.

It had to happen, bro.

Well, it's.

I don't know how I feel about the name, but it's a fancy exotic dancerville.

It's a fancy way of saying strip.

She said it not.

Say it again.

She said it, not me.

No, say it again.

One more time, one more time.

One more time with the emphasis.

Yeah, yeah, like, and face this camera.

Face this camera right there.

Exotic dancer is a nice.

Just say exotic dancer.

Exotic dancer is a nice way of saying strip.

The views of the people on the show are not that of mine.

Now I'm just facilitating the conversation.

So do you find that there's a stigma attached to that word?

Because like you said, if I say, yeah, I'll come through the with.

With some exotic dances.

You'll be like, oh, we're gonna have exotic dances this year.

There's a fancy event.

But if I say, hey, I'm gonna bring some strippers, it's like, ah.

Like, don't you.

In the lead up to today's Conversation, a lot of people are very excited, which had me thinking, what he mean now?

Even my friend who's a girl, I was like, yeah, we're gonna be talking to a stripper today.

And she's like, ah, can I come?

I was like, no, no.

Well, we'll send you the link.

No, no, no, no.

I want to know what's her.

What?

What's what?

What's her.

What's her power move?

What's the way she's dancing?

What's that move?

Knows that's gonna get them.

I'm like, tell me something and then we'll go back to the stripper conversation.

Does the pole spin?

Yeah, this pole Spins.

I thought, I thought they were spinning.

Turns out it's the pole that's spinning.

Wow.

You learn something new every day.

You learn something new every day.

I, I, I don't even know what, what a poll was up until you just said it.

Yeah, well, it's this contraption that they use in their profession.

And you.

I used to think that they were spinning.

Turns out that they offer pole dancing as, as exercise and.

Yes, yeah, people.

People go for pole dancing classes, bro.

That's why I asked.

Different as a course.

Does it now at the gym.

Anyway, Anyway.

Let'S commit.

Let's commit.

Let's commit, bro.

New hobby.

You know, I just started doing yoga this year, but we can put that on the side again, bro.

Okay, we still talking about your question.

While you before the poll.

Dancer.

Yeah.

So the stigma around that word, is it something that you've just become desensitized to, or do you just still try to get people to say exotic dancer?

No, me, I'm fine with stripper.

I say this because she said it again.

I say this because I met, I met someone a few weeks ago.

Just I was out with my friends, and then I was like, yo, those are some nice shoes.

What do you do for a living?

Because that's what I do.

And I see people with nice shoes and nice cars, because I want them too.

So what do you do for a living?

And she said, I'm a stripper.

I was like, like, give a little poop.

And she like, like, like, let's not waste time.

She just said, I'm a stripper.

And I was like, okay.

Is that the one with the, with.

The Louis, with the Louis Vuitton clogs.

My boy.

Louis Vuitton clogs.

I like when you said shoes.

I'm like, what do you want clear heels for?

First of all, my question is, what is it with clear heels and your profession?

Chris Rock asked the question in a comedy stand up, says, sorry, what is the.

What, what is the deal with clear heels?

Chris Rock?

This is for you.

I'm trying.

I think maybe it's because they're nice, I think, and they attract.

Okay, okay.

Those are for the real baddie, B.

The real baddies.

The real baddy patties for the elite.

The elite.

Bad.

The elite.

Damn.

Okay, okay.

So do you make 50,000 rand a night?

Like, it's a, it's a, it's a stigma.

Not even a stigma.

Stereotype, I heard.

Yeah, no, we don't.

You don't make 50,000 a day.

Oh, that's a lie.

Is that a lie?

Cuz I'm not, I'm not going to lie during COVID when things are bad.

I'm like, maybe, maybe me.

I'm considering that now.

Like six, six more months in the gym.

I'll be fine.

I'll be.

I'll be.

I'll be a hot commodity maybe with the, with the right connections going to say about this.

What?

What's your pastor mom going to say.

About my pastor mom?

Yeah, yeah.

That money is not going to say anything.

All she's going to know is that and as long as I keep recording my podcast.

Okay.

You understand?

Okay, so give us a name like your name.

Damn.

I actually don't know what my stripper name would be, bro.

Oh my God.

Chocolate.

Something chocolate.

Okay, let's.

Let's come up with my stripper name.

You guys can come up with the stripper name.

Come up with my stripper for you.

Is there like a stripper name generator that we can use?

There probably is.

There probably is.

There probably is.

You should like.

How can I put this?

You should, your name should have like something you're good at.

How are you gripping a phoenix then?

Every time I fall, I rise.

Oh, okay.

Okay.

There we go.

My name, My name must have something vendor in it, man.

Like Chimugarama Fat.

Something like, like, damn, I don't know.

I'll come back to you.

I'll come back to you.

Yeah.

When I'm ready to join the industry, you know, Right now let me get my fitness right.

Those classes.

Those classes.

As long.

As long as you pay me my network fee, I'm fine.

Watch me pull up with fees for the whole year, boy.

So then if the, if the, if the serif type is that you don't make 50k a month, what is the, what is the range of how much you can make a night?

Well, close to 10.

In a night?

In a night?

Yeah.

So if you work five nights.

If you work five nights a week.

And then citrus paribus or these are all good nights.

Yeah, yeah.

Let's.

Let's just assume you have two great weeks.

That means 100k easily.

But days are fun.

Yeah, but like, we're making the assumption that everything's good.

Okay.

In two weeks and you don't.

And you still don't want me to get in the industry.

What?

We get paid again?

What do you mean?

Like, we get paid by the club.

Oh, yeah.

You guys have a salary and commission?

I don't know that.

I just thought it was off.

Of no.

Uif.

I wish a worker's composition.

No.

If you, for example, if you, if you are on the pole and then you're spinning and then you just land awkwardly, is there, like, workers compensation?

No, darling.

Either you bring your own medical.

No, the problem is you already know what you're doing is dangerous, so you should.

But, but still.

But still, that's.

Look, the ufc, when, when fighters get injured, they still have access to the UFC performance center to rehab their injuries and all that.

So it's you.

You'd expect it to be fair because I got hurt making you money and now you don't even want to pay.

I broke my neck trying to do something cool for your business, and now I don't want to do something for me.

Do you have, do you guys have a union?

Union should unionize, man.

I, I, I'll be, I'll be, I'll be your steward.

I'll be your representative.

You be.

These girls are scared.

Scared of what?

Scared.

Why are they scared?

Like they can't speak up for themselves.

So I'm not going to waste my time.

Do you.

For people, is it?

The only thing I know about your industry is what I've learned today and what I see when I go there.

Damn.

Now, just now, I just exposed myself.

I was watching movies.

Now I just exposed myself.

Movies.

I watched.

I watched the movies.

I've been in Joburg six years.

I've.

I've been around.

Oh, you.

I've tried a few things.

I'm not going to lie.

The reason I said the, the hooker question is because whenever I'm there, there's someone who's always trying to take my clothes off.

Really?

There's someone who's, there's always someone who's.

Like, I've been saying this.

I've been saying this.

You guys fly.

But Le is chocolate, man.

Hey, Le is a.

But don't you think that also plays into that, that stigma and that stereotype?

I'm always trying to take a close.

I'm sure.

I'm sure.

Maybe, or maybe she's on that.

On that.

Hey.

Oh, oh, okay.

Oh, oh, oh.

Okay.

Right?

That.

Okay, okay.

All right.

No, I get, I get that.

I get that.

So with.

I'm going to make the assumption that your place of work is frequented by a lot of men.

That's my assumption.

Men from all walks of life.

Pastor's children.

There's way too many stories of.

I would, I would leave the people from the clergy out of this because there's too many stories.

Oh, yeah.

That are validated of them doing behavior that's unbecoming.

Oh, yeah.

I heard.

I heard a story of one guy owning one.

Yeah.

Owning a club.

Hi, Bo.

And then in the morning.

Hallelujah.

So men who are single, married, divorce, all of that.

I'm making the assumption that you've come across all kinds of men out there.

Yeah, right.

Have you had.

What are some of the positive interactions that you've had and the negative interactions that you've had?

That and no names.

I don't want to know.

Yeah, I won't name anyone.

Yeah, but like, the positive is like having to sit down, have a conversation, have a drink.

Like, respectfully so.

And then is.

Is that negative one.

That one that just sees you as.

An object, like, baby, how much the level of disrespect.

But is it just.

Isn't it just a thing that.

Isn't it just a thing that they think.

When I walk in here, I'm entitled to every girl that's in here.

And everyone has a price.

Everyone has a price.

Exactly.

Damn.

Because I'm not.

Because I think their thing is I'm not here to be your friend.

Yeah, true.

I'm here for a service.

I want to be happy.

There's people who can come to be happy, and that's a good thing because.

So these other ones.

I go there for the food.

I go there for the food.

What?

The food.

The food.

Because of the food.

Yeah.

You eat there.

After this one, we're gonna have an episode just discussing what we discussed today.

And I've got so many questions.

Got so many questions.

Why would you.

Is the food even good?

Let's.

Since you eat there.

Is the food even good?

It's good.

I mean.

I mean, you won't starve.

That's not the question, comrade.

The question is, is the food food there?

It's okay.

It's okay.

It's okay.

Okay, so before the show, we're going to get drinks.

I show you that there's good restaurants.

So I'm questioning.

We can't be eating ribs and steaks every day, bro.

We can't be eating ribs and sticks.

Sometimes.

Sometimes I just want.

You understand.

Is that Africa?

Only in this kind of.

You've never seen that video?

No.

You know the buff dude?

No, I haven't seen it.

I'll show it to you.

I have it on my phone.

And he's not.

And I'm not talking small serving.

Yeah, yeah.

Big, big, big serving of pop.

Well, we should.

We'll put a link down There.

Don't worry.

Okay.

Yeah, no, no, no.

That I'll decide.

Yeah, we'll put a link to that.

Yeah.

So.

Still can't believe you say you eat there.

But anyway.

Amen.

Maybe I should.

Maybe I should ask.

We all go there for different reasons.

Okay.

Some guys just.

Some guys just go there for the music, you know, and the shows.

And the shows.

Yeah.

Yeah, I heard some people go there to read books.

Some people go there to read books.

Yeah.

Dave Chappelle gets to find a corner and he just.

Just read a book, you know.

Read a book.

Apparently.

Apparently this is what Dave Chappelle said.

Right by the stage.

Then he says there's good lighting and just go read a book.

And then it'll be frequent, like so.

Apparently some people go there to read books.

Have you seen someone read a book there while you're there?

No.

You've never.

Damn.

So I don't know if I should.

I don't know if I should ask.

I don't know if I should ask this question, but I really want to know.

Do you suspect there's illegal activity happening where you work?

Well, not happening, but do you suspect, like.

So what he's asking, what he's asking.

Is that there's a.

I.

I wouldn't say it's a stereotype, but there's been.

Stories that clubs, Clubs of any kind.

Clubs of any kind are there to clean money and launder money, Drug money.

And push drugs, to be specific.

Have you seen something that makes you say, I'd rather.

Rather turn a blind eye to this one?

Do you know that some people use churches to launder drug money?

Yes.

Do you know that?

And do you tell me.

Amen.

You're a church person.

I didn't want to turn you off on the idea.

No, not turn me off on the idea.

Like I'm like, how could.

Yeah.

My boy.

When I heard that, I was like, I.

I wouldn't put it past anyone to do that.

Yeah.

So have you seen any unbecoming activities?

N.

No.

Because you said you mind your own business.

True.

That is so true.

Uhhuh.

And I'm still waiting.

City of Gold.

Since City of Gold.

So there was this other series, I think.

I think they making a series.

So they came to shoot at the club.

So I'm still waiting.

Not much how.

What were they shooting us like?

So they made it like, look like.

So there's a bad, bad guy, the boss.

So we are just sitting there, you know, and then also in the club.

Club, club, straight.

And then we Must be dancing on the poles.

And then.

Yeah, so I'm still waiting.

Then when we hear gunshots, we must dyke.

Okay.

It wasn't real gunshots, though.

I mean, I was like, you still want to go eat there, my boy?

Hey, man, I got food.

I got.

There's food at home.

Yeah.

So do you ever work with.

Do you ever see famous people there?

Yeah.

Really?

All the time.

All the time.

She said all the time.

The bouncer would come and say, no heads.

If one of the dancers see that, there's a few.

Am I the only one who thinks, like, I wouldn't be ashamed of that when I.

If I was famous or when I do get famous.

You're famous already.

You just don't know it.

Yeah, touche.

I'd walk in like, mukundi's in the house.

Like.

Like, give me my own section, bro.

Like, yeah, yeah.

Because the thing is, what's there to be ashamed of?

What's there to be ashamed of, world adults here?

Well, adults.

And I know exactly what you're doing here.

I think it's PI.

Pr.

No, I'm saying that they don't want their brand to be associated with going.

To club, taking pictures, but.

Exactly.

I would assume.

No, there are no pictures allowed there.

Yeah, I, I, I, I, I.

I had to read rules to find out.

Yeah, I wasn't.

I wasn't told about this just in case.

No, no, no, no, no.

So.

So it's a full clarity.

For clarity.

Before we shot this podcast, he went online and did some research.

That's how he knows.

That's why I said I had to read rules.

That's how I know that no cameras are allowed.

But everyone is discreet there.

Everyone knows what we're.

What we're there to do, bro.

You're not.

You're not there to buy.

To buy toys.

Exactly.

We all know what you.

We all know what you're doing, but if you're saying pr, Then I guess I understand, because we can't have your boy on your wall up there.

And then we find out that he was in the club, it'll be like.

Hey, he has to get off the wall.

Then get off the wall.

That's the.

Get off the wall.

But, but, but, but, but, but, but, but.

This is what I heard, right?

This is what I heard.

So, hey, hey, hey.

This is what I heard, that apparently big dignitaries and these international celebrities would go to the clubs here unashamed, ashamed.

They were like, yeah, yeah.

What's there to be ashamed about?

I'm here.

What's there to be ashamed about.

Like, I don't get why people are ashamed to say that, bro.

Me, I'm like, if.

If you.

If you were.

Maybe that's.

Maybe that's the thing.

Pr.

Like, you had like a million followers across.

Across all platforms.

You see on SABC1.

SABC1 still a thing.

Okay, let's say SABC is still a thing.

Is it still a thing?

Yeah.

No.

ETV and a.

Every second Sunday.

Much I love was the.

No, no, no, no.

Etv.

ETV and SABC are still fighting.

Skim Sum is still holding it down.

ETV every second Sunday, Anaconda is on air.

We still.

We still holding it down.

Ice Cube.

Okay, so you've got your own Netflix show.

You've got your own Netflix series.

You've been helping other artists produce more songs.

Big name, you're a household name.

Why would you not want to be seen there at the club?

Why would you not be the one to be seen?

That's.

That's.

That's a very good question.

It's like you said, it's a PR thing.

So if my.

If I'm okay, she said Gundino Mazune.

I'm gonna flip your.

Your thing around.

Your question around.

Remember that dude that used to see on SABC driving the kids?

You know that dude, right?

And he's Umalu.

And let's say he has that.

That thing is its own show on Netflix, and he has a million followers across all platforms as Umalu Megan.

And now umalumiwenggan is posted up in the club.

It'll be like, ah, he loses entire life.

He loses everything.

But if I'm Mukundi who talks sports, and my followers are, let's see, the May.

Probably your followers, James Harden.

You don't have a problem.

Exactly.

And my chat is my followers are men and women between the ages of 18 and all the way up, mostly men.

Because I talk sports.

Seeing me at the strip club would not be the worst thing in the world.

No, it wouldn't be.

You give me.

And even just who am I endorsed by?

That's the other thing.

If I'm endorsed by what's a children's brand?

What's the children's brand?

I don't know.

Kinder Joy.

If I'm endorsed by Kinder Joy, I'm not gonna go to Kinder Joy and take pictures eating.

I'm not gonna go to the strip club and take pictures eating a Kinder Joy there.

It's like, what.

What are we doing?

But If.

If I'm endorsed by Monster.

I don't think Monster.

Yeah.

I don't know what kind of toys are in those kinder joys, but hey, hey, hey, hey.

But you get what I'm saying, Because even Joe Budden, Joe Buttons Podcast is one of the biggest podcasts.

It's massive.

Shout out, Joe Button.

Shout out.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I have lost count how many times they talk about being in the strip club on the.

On the podcast itself.

No, 100%.

Because who is their target market?

Mostly males between the ages of 18 and whatever.

So it doesn't even matter.

As a matter of fact, chances are.

They'Ll find that Cool question has been to the.

Because, hey, they.

They know to have dodgy stories was tb, Joshua?

I don't know.

You've never seen them or you've never seen them?

Have you seen a politician?

Oh, oh, okay.

Off the record.

I have a feeling it's Melissa.

I have a feeling.

Well, chances are he'd be performing, but.

Still because of that one thing.

Oh.

Because what was happening there?

Gigabyte?

I don't know.

A bite?

I don't know.

He was.

He was telling someone to imagine something.

Oh, my Lord.

Oh, my Lord.

Oh.

So, okay, what has been your favorite encounter?

Have you ever seen, like, a religious leader there at all that, you know?

What, like a religious leader?

Let me see.

No, probably when I'm not there.

But you see, she said probably would.

We wouldn't put it past you.

If you found them there.

You wouldn't be surprised if you found them there.

There's one that I wouldn't even be surprised if.

If I heard he's a frequent.

No, I'm not going to say his name on.

On the record, but it rhymes with the Mask of Zor.

The reason.

The.

The reason that I ask is there's a.

A whole.

I've been thinking about how hypocritical society is.

Just.

Just very, very helpful societies.

Everyone here's a hypocrite about something.

I'm hypocritical?

You're hypocritical.

You're hypocritical about something.

Now, the reason we were asking about.

Are you judged for the work that you do is because, like, your family members, they're being very hypocritical.

They can't judge you for what you're doing and then ask you for money.

Yeah.

And then other people will judge you for what you're doing.

But then they're there.

They're there, they're there.

It's like, how could they be doing this and it's like society or wholesale.

Yeah.

This is just my own reflection.

This is just hypocritical.

So instead of having conversations and trying to understand, we're quick to judge versus understand.

You know what I mean?

Okay, that makes sense.

That makes sense.

Yeah.

So that's why I'm asking, are you j.

Do you feel that you're judged, unfair?

I failed.

And everyone else who judges you, what do you think about them with their judgments about the work you do?

Well, yeah, I do feel misunderstood, judged, but I really don't think about them at all, actually.

Okay.

Good answer.

Because I feel like before they judge, they must ask.

They mustn't.

Just because I would hear like, like walking parts, some older women.

And then I'll turn around and look at them and I'm like.

What is she?

Hey.

He who's without sin cut the first stone.

Living in a glass house.

Yeah, exactly.

Like, I've let me say primary high school.

I've like, I live my life trying to make people happy and like, change myself and not be me.

So as I got older, I realized at the end of the day, yeah, like, the only person that matters is my mom, my son, my little brother.

That's it.

How old is your little brother?

He's eight.

He's eight.

Okay, then you're paying for his fees too.

Yeah.

Does he judge you?

He's not in a position.

Going to school and saying, I'm like, that's when you start asking, what do they say around these kids Now?

Yeah, when I'm not around.

You should like, what?

So what's the.

I think you want to ask this question.

What's the favorite experience or the favorite.

Thing about the work?

Yeah, I think.

Is that what you're gonna ask?

Yeah.

Okay.

What is.

What's the favorite thing about the work you do?

My favorite experience?

Well, I think the favorite thing is just dancing, as you said you like.

Dancing and the fact that I can take myself out every weekend.

Take yourself out every weekend?

Yes.

Show more.

Show more.

Cuz that place can be too, like having to deal with people.

Like, it's especially drunk people.

It's a lot.

Hello.

Was party.

Okay.

And then you're sleeping there.

Now you have to.

Yes.

All these people, right, man.

How does it feel having to interact with people that you may not necessarily like sometimes?

Because some people that pull up are cool dudes, but some of them, I would assume.

And some of the people that I've seen, like you said drunk people don't have no respect for you as a human being.

So you don't necessarily have to like them.

How hard is it to have to be a professional in that moment?

Jose Cueva.

Q.

Jose Cueva.

It's very, very, very difficult.

Because Manji, it's either if like you don't treat them right.

They write emails.

They write emails.

I have a complaint about one of the performers there.

So they, so they take all the.

Time using my, Using my work, using my work email.

Just to.

To type in.

Dear XYZ, 1, 2, 3.

Your performer, Phoenix.

Performer Phoenix.

What's your problem?

Do you want a break?

Because I.

I remember I've been called and used to drink a lot.

So like I'll just drink, drink, drink, drink and get super wasted and just pass out.

So they held a meeting for me and I was like, I have stop all the juice.

Don't know.

So when they hold a meeting for you, where's this meeting?

Like, they'll have a room.

They even have a proper office.

Wow.

This is a, this is a business model.

I have hr, my boy, bro.

So like, how do you get it, like to get promotions there?

I'm just.

Do you get promotions there?

Like actually they say you get a salary.

Do you get increase discussion if you.

Do a good job and if you're like a top dancer.

So what time do the top dancers perform?

Baba?

Yeah, what time do the top dancers perform at night?

Asking for a friend from 8 till 4.

Ste.

Tears.

Oh, man.

Oh, man.

So what's your outlook for the future?

Like, do you see yourself being there?

5, 10 years?

What is it that you want to move on to?

What are the things that you want?

Aspiring to post, exotic dancing?

Well, not more than five years.

Okay, well, I want to pursue being like an artist.

What type of artist?

Singer, songwriter, rapper?

Yes, rapper.

You rap?

You rap?

Yes.

Now you got, you.

You got to freestyle some for us later.

Not now, not now, not now, not now.

Okay, I, I respect rappers because you know how rappers go on shows and then they want them to freestyle on the spot.

I hate.

You can't freestyle.

You're right.

Oh, okay.

But I always hate, I always hate rappers that just go on shows and then they, they feel the need to freestyle for everyone.

Because why, why are you.

If you're good at something, don't do it for free.

Now you.

Now we're hearing you for free.

Same thing.

If we had, if we had a poll here, we should put a poll here.

No, no, no, no, no.

Just imagine Oscar as the Ballon d'or.

Out the way.

We have another star.

Okay, you're gonna answer.

So would you.

Would you consider writing a book about.

My life or basically the industry?

Oh, both.

Oh.

Oh, I smell money.

Both.

Both.

Oh, yeah, I would.

You would?

Okay.

Yeah, we've put.

Put that on the list.

Right.

Documentation.

Not.

Not a.

Not a.

Not a documentary.

An actual book.

The documentary will be Go.

Come later.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah, yeah.

So did you do what you consider.

Okay.

All right.

Okay.

So after this.

So you're saying not another five years.

Did you have a plan going in?

Like, I'm just like, a criminal would do a heist and then call it, like, do I heist?

Go legit?

Did you have something like that before you started?

Like, did you.

When I draft a plan.

And then when I started making money, I was like, almost like, I can do something.

So the money that you make is more than your previous job.

Yeah.

So they take advantage.

But, yeah, I didn't have a plan going in, but, like, as I saw the money coming in, I was like, okay, at least I can be a good mom, a good sister, and a good daughter.

Put myself first also.

Sometimes.

Yeah.

So.

So what's the worst experience that you've had?

So they're private dances that be.

Yeah, like, so this ninja.

She meant ninja.

Yeah, yeah.

No, man.

We're dancing as a group, so you know when men are drunk.

So he poked me in the most sensitive place ever in my life, and then I took my drink and I poured it on him.

And then this man has the, like, the audacity because I poured him with my drink.

Like, for me to do that, do you think I would just play stupid.

Games, get stupid prizes?

So I got suspended for two weeks.

Cuz it at.

That was the worst experience ever.

Enzo Washington.

Oh, y going to do this to me?

You can do this to me.

I'll put the cases on all you shoot program.

Damn.

Take it out.

Lockdown.

You think you can do this to me?

That must have been so uncomfortable.

You been playing basketball?

Oh, it hurt, yo.

I had to get even, like, antibiotics and stuff like that.

Damn.

Jeez.

Damn, cuz.

Wow.

I don't know where your hands have been.

And it's even worse that some of them think that they can, like, roll up the money and want to.

What the.

What the.

It's not.

It's not funny.

It's not funny.

But, like.

Yeah.

Do they actually do that?

Do you know that money's been.

Where do they think it's going to?

You know, sometimes I understand women when they Say men.

Men, Right.

That's all they say.

They would never do that to their woman at home.

We hopeful now they get.

Once again, I'm pretty sure they would never do that to anyone.

They respect, like.

Respect, isn't it?

Yeah.

Isn't it difficult to establish a certain level of respect, given that once again, when people walk in, they don't walk in with the mentality that I'm here to see performers perform.

I'm here for a service, and as long as I'm paying you, I don't have to be nice to you.

Yeah.

Isn't it difficult to establish, like, boundaries?

Well, for me, it's not difficult because simply, if you can't, I move.

Damn.

Remember, back in.

Remember when you're playing gta?

Yeah.

And then you, you, you.

You went to.

We all.

We've all done it.

We went to the strip.

Anybody who's played GTA, you go to the strip club in GTA.

5, 2, 3, 5, 5, 5, 5.

You're old.

I have to.

You've played all of them.

Like, I'm 34 this year.

That.

That old guy?

Yeah.

When the first GTA came out.

You're like eight.

Yeah.

How old were you when the first GTA came out?

I wasn't born when the first GTA came out.

No, you were.

You were.

No, the first GTA.

The 2D one.

Oh, oh, not the 2D one.

GTA 3.

When GTA 3.

That's not the first GTA.

This GTA.

One, two.

Then three was 2D.

Yeah.

Okay, now I'm going to.

Then there San Andreas.

Then there's GTA 4, then there's GTA 5.

Now GTA 6 is coming out this year.

So which GTA are you talking about?

Three.

GTA three.

Not San Andreas.

Not S.

Andre.

Okay, GTA three.

Yeah.

Three was the first 3D.

The guy that didn't talk.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

How old were you when that came out?

When did it came out?

Give me a year.

Came out two.

Early 2000s.

Early 2000s.

Oh, when like, two.

So exactly.

Exactly.

I was exactly 10.

11, 12.

Sorry, 10, 11, 12.

Yeah.

And my mom bought me.

Funny.

My dad bought me my first GTA 2 Vice City on PS2.

But like, in GTA, when you tried touching the girls, the bouncer was right there watching you.

And then you'd get in trouble if you touched the girl.

I guess that's just like your hands off the property.

There's got to be respect.

This is still another human being.

So is.

Is there any quorum?

There is There.

Is there anything of sorts there where they're like, yo, don't touch, don't do nothing, or do dudes just walk up and say yeah baby.

Was.

That's not even a spank.

Damn.

Okay, so yeah, okay.

Sorry mom.

That's bad.

That's bad.

So my third book is coming out this year.

Book number three five Ideals Build Better Men.

That's why it's very important to have this conversation.

And now the question I've asked myself is what are some of the things based on your experience, your work or that just your life's experience in totality.

Given that your man got shot, he got lazy, do you want to step up as a dad?

And then now you have all these interactions where you work with people.

But I think people think that this is Facebook poke.

You think Facebook buy a poker and now you can't work with two weeks.

And that's money that's could be feeding your, your family even though that even that family that they judge you for the way for things that you do even though you don't give them the money.

She refuses to be black TS I love it.

I love it.

What is in your estimation, what's the one thing that you think that men could do better?

Can I ask, what do you mean men can do better?

Like in general, in with regards.

In context of the conversation, of the.

Conversation that we're having.

Because.

Because someone else with a different context will have a different answer and given her context, because we will hear this story.

Hey, men are trash.

Okay.

Sharp says, well, there's a guy with that guy.

Yeah, that guy.

The guy didn't want to provide for his child.

That guy.

I can get it, but that's not solving the problem.

A better way to reframe the problem is what can we do better?

You're going to find a perfect man.

You're going to find a man that's not completely trash.

What can the can men do better?

That's the question I'm asking.

They can do better by working on themselves.

Everyone's working and working on themselves.

Okay.

Okay.

I think there's something they must heal from.

Yeah.

And admit it.

Uhhuh.

Show respect.

Uhhuh.

Like even if it doesn't matter where you are.

Yeah.

But just show respect.

Yeah.

Cuz you don't know who's going to help you tomorrow.

Yeah.

Basically.

Yeah.

That's it.

They can just work on themselves and heal men.

Okay.

Geez.

Okay.

And what?

Heal, heal, heal.

So then what else can women do to do better?

And I And I'm sure the list is longer there.

Okay, same.

Love yourself, respect yourself enough to be able to say no when you don't want something.

Know yourself also, like take time and be with yourself.

Like connect with yourself.

I don't know, man.

Just love each other and respect each other as women.

And let's speak on the while we on women since we just go there for entertainment purposes.

No, you go there for hip hop.

I just go there for hip hop event.

Like do you think I should be able to tell my girlfriend, hey babe, sayo I'm still going to the strip club, I'll be back.

Do you think, do you think, do you think it's okay for my lady if I do frequent strip clubs?

Do you think it's a problem if I tell my lady?

Yeah, no, I do go there maybe however many times in a year.

Do you think that should be a problem or she should understand that?

No, he's just going there to just get and eat pop and come back.

Well, one thing I would say is that we women struggle with, I don't know, our emotions, man.

So it depends on what she wants from you.

Transparency, honesty, or like cuz now I would prefer that you tell me who die.

Maybe I could come with you sometime, you know, so don't be shy, tell me.

Try it.

I pitched it.

I pitched it.

And what happened?

It's still on ice.

It's still on ice.

You're a very jealous species.

But sometimes you must understand who remains.

And speaking of a very jealous species, let's talk about you then.

How is it in the dating game, given your profession?

Because.

Because I'm not even, I'm not even gonna lie as much as I respect what you do.

My lady ain't doing that simply because I like knowing that I'm the only one that gets to touch you in any, in any way, shape or form.

However, if I were to run into you now on the street, make sure and then find out what you do maybe a month or two later, do I really have any ground to stand down and say I.

You might have to leave that work because this is how I found you.

And this, this is how you live.

You provide a living for yourself, for your family, all that.

Isn't it difficult to date because of that?

It is.

It's very hard because sometimes I don't have time at all, you know, and the next person.

So you don't have time for.

You don't have time.

So it's very hard.

I'm working over here.

No, listen, we know that they're working the other.

Just like when obedient, like there's no other way.

Yeah.

Damn.

Damn.

So you need to find a very secure person.

Isn't it easier to just date another exotic dancer?

See, I'm learning.

I'm using the right words.

Well, I did explore.

Are you talking men?

I was talking men.

But we can go.

We can go this morning.

We bring you this morning.

Dancer who likes to go the other way.

It's not going either way.

It's experimenting.

Let me finish my exposition.

We're bringing you the studio this morning.

One of the exotic dancers who likes to experiment with other.

Other genders.

Should I call you Mr.

Or Mrs.

Thank you for coming.

Thank you, miss.

Thank you for coming in.

No, but, like, it's not fair because we get to do double shows together.

Get to do group shows together.

So that's experience.

So.

So you say you've experimented with the other gender or the same gender?

For me, it's other gender.

So you've.

So you've never tried dating a male stripper?

No.

Would you Would.

Damn.

So just from that, I can tell you're not even open to the idea why I will.

No, no.

Why?

Doing the same thing.

So.

Which would make it easier to understand.

When this one doesn't have time for me.

We are seven.

When this one doesn't have time for me.

The problem.

Okay, let me be honest.

No, no, no, no, no.

Oh, the heartbeat.

Yo, yo, yo.

That was brutal, yo.

That was.

You like that?

My goodness.

Because we have like, the goods.

No, besides the goods, man.

Like audience.

So they come there often.

Women come there sometimes.

Ish.

They don't like what they see when son, you know, So I told you.

Let me do this, dog.

I prefer let me do this.

You're a grown man.

You're a grown man.

Do what you go do.

I told you.

As long as.

As long as I keep recording podcasts, no one will ask.

I will ask.

Yeah.

No, Karen, you saying.

What was I saying?

Yeah, they should go overseas, man.

So male strippers don't make money here.

Not all of them.

They do make money, but majority.

Okay, so you're saying you're not going to.

You wouldn't date a male exotic dancer stripper because they don't have money.

Damn.

Is that.

That the only reason you wouldn't do it?

Yeah.

Damn.

Damn.

Yeah.

It's like I'm making more money than you.

Like.

What are you bringing.

You just bringing that into my life?

No.

Companion.

Companionship.

This is what I was telling this is what I was.

My dad was like, he said to me, my man, the world out there is cruel.

Yes, the world is cruel.

Make money.

So you need to make as much.

Money as possible as a man.

Make money because the world is cruel.

I've come to learn as a man.

Right through me.

Oh, is it?

Okay, we're going to wrap up now.

As a man, I've just come to learn.

Make money.

You can be a dick.

Does not matter.

All right, so we're going to wrap up.

Oh, wait, wait.

Can I ask you one question?

Serious?

Okay.

Askis.

Askis.

But I have to know now.

You say, so you're the breadwinner at home.

Yeah.

How difficult is it?

Beings?

How hard it's.

How difficult is it being a breadwinner, a young breadwinner, especially as a girl.

How difficult is that?

Because I'm telling you now, man.

Mina just from my Malumis and my aunts, when I go back home during.

During December and the holidays and then I'm like dog now.

This is now.

And that's just me saying no because I'm fool.

I've been fortunate.

I'm fortunate enough that I don't have to do that.

You.

It's your responsibility to make sure that your family, your family is good.

If we're now we're all starving in this house.

You have a kid, you have a little brother.

How difficult is that at a young age?

Because we're the same age, bro.

But I can't imagine that responsibility on my shoulders.

We're 25, bro, and I can't imagine that that responsibility on my shoulders.

Well, kudos to you for doing that, by the way.

Shout out.

I was responsible for, like, my mom would give me money, I wouldn't spend it.

I would, like, like just, you know, so.

So like I grew up with that mentality.

No, I have to be responsible.

Not everything is given.

Yeah.

You know, you gotta take it.

Did your parents divorce play a role?

Yeah.

Yeah, it did.

So.

So yeah, it's difficult, but I sleep better at night knowing that different.

So like, even if I don't call sometimes, like when I.

When I'm not at home and I don't call, like, it's fine.

Yeah, okay.

Shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up.

So this is the.

The part where you get to ask me any questions that you may have.

So how often do you go to church?

Often do I go to church every Sunday.

Pretty much every Sunday.

Pretty much every Sunday, Yeah.

Because growing up, my grandfather was a minister for 50 years.

And my mother is basically her father's child.

So when she.

Very good.

Okay, so she made us go to church all the time.

Sunday school.

When I say all the time, you mean, like, everything?

I mean all the time.

Monday, Tuesday, Monday, there's a prayer.

And I thought I was back.

Thursday, there's a choir practice.

Friday, youth.

I don't know what it was, another prayer meeting or Sunday, everybody.

And then for nine straight years.

For nine straight years, I will go to a church convention for seven straight days.

It got December.

While you guys are business saying in the meantime.

Seven days.

No, but.

Shut up, y'all.

Y'all are keeping us safe because.

This is nowhere I should be living seven days from Sunday.

Sunday, it's like Sunday afternoon, you register, then you take a break.

Then it's the evening service.

Then Monday through the other Sunday morning session, 1, 2, 3, break lunch afternoon session, 1, 2, 3.

Then there's a revival.

And now you're tired because you're sleeping at 2am Then.

That's crazy.

So, yeah, that's favorite church.

Every.

Like, that was bad.

I'm not going to lie.

There was a time where I stopped going because I'm, like, on my own credit now.

Like, I've been going for so long.

But that's a place where I go to find strength and solace, to live out life.

Because life is hard.

Life is hard.

Are you gonna do that to your kids?

Huh?

Are you gonna do that to your kids?

What?

Make them go to church all the.

All the time.

I want to tell them, you get to go to church.

You get to go to church.

Not that you have to.

You get to go to church.

Is it like my mom.

My mom would say, you.

You don't have to go to church with me.

All I know is I'm locking an empty house when I leave.

So.

So pretty much every Sunday.

But then what I've realized is that the world is so.

Is so effed, man.

Like, the world is in trouble.

There's so many broken people, so many broken things, so many hypocritical people, so many hypocritical things and systems and whatnot.

And then I've also been scarred in the.

The church environment because the same people who are saying, don't do X, Y, and Z are the very first people that you find in his house.

I was telling you about.

I was talking about the one guy, Jesus, there.

Like.

Like, you find the.

Find like.

Like in.

In the.

And this is not all churches, by the way, but they.

The ones that have been Exposed to people having affairs in the church.

You don't know this happens.

Church is messy, bro.

But like.

But like, that's a place for broken people to go and heal.

So, like, what do you expect?

Like, you go there to heal, but doesn't mean that you're going to be perfect.

Yeah, okay.

Exactly.

Okay.

When I pray at home.

When I pray at home, it's not.

Enough with the one thing that a church does offer.

And I was here, you see, you have the same.

But I'm not talking to pray home.

Yes, papa, but then what.

What helps is community.

Oh, okay.

Community support.

That's what I was about to say.

That church is supposed to be community before anything else.

Yeah.

I'll give you a great example.

I was talking to my mom about this.

This.

So there's this dude named Pano in our old church.

Yeah.

And Pano is also slow.

Right.

And his mom passed away when he was very young, unfortunately.

And people were like, what's Pano going to do?

What's Pano going to do?

Pano is a grown man now.

Older than I am.

Pano is a grown man now.

Why?

Because when his mom died, the church took care of him.

And that's what church is supposed to be.

But it's.

But that it doesn't exist.

It's a business now.

It's a business.

It's an enterprise.

People are funneling money.

People are going there to launder money.

People are there to go and judge other people and look down on other people and break people down.

And that's not what it's supposed to be about, you know?

So.

Yeah, that's what.

Because I mean, hey, I almost died so many times.

I've almost died so many times.

And it was the church community that.

That helped me.

That's how the gunpoint.

Hey, you know the story.

Okay.

Okay.

He does.

When I was held at gunpoint, church was there to.

To assist me.

When I lost work and I wasn't working, church was there to assist me when I was almost died again last year.

Like, I'm almost dying every single year.

And I'm like, any day now.

It's God's grace.

At least like, take a life insurance, bro, bro.

Like, like, at least don't dive on nothing.

Like, no, no, no, don't worry, don't worry.

I've got a will.

I've got a hefty life, life for life policy.

Things will be fine.

Because I saw.

Anytime.

We'll keep me.

No, no, man.

So, like, when you go through the deepest and Darkest moments and times.

That is what I believe a church is supposed to be there for.

Not for you to be beaten down and judged and you're supposed to be corrected, but not like cast out.

You know what I mean?

Unless you're doing something really crazy now.

Unless you're like.

You know what I mean?