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You found the backup wrap up
your go-to podcast for all things

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backup recovery and cyber recovery.

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In this episode, however, we're taking
a little detour from our usual backup

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talk to dive into something that's
been on a lot of people's minds lately.

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Election integrity, having worked several
primaries and elections as a poll worker,

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I've got some insider knowledge on
how our voting system actually works.

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We're gonna break down the whole process
from paper ballots to mail-in voting, and

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all the checks and balances in between.

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I'll debunk some of the wild
theories out there and show you

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why it's practically impossible to
pull off large scale voter fraud.

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If you care about election
integrity, this is your episode.

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By the way, if this is your
first time listening to us, I

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am w Curtis Preston, AKA, Mr.

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Backup, and I've been passionate
about backup and recovery for

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over 30 years, ever since.

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I had to tell my boss that we
had no backups of the production

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database that we had just lost.

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I don't want that to happen to
you, and that's why I do this.

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On this podcast, we turn unappreciated
backup admins into cyber recovery heroes.

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This is the backup wrap up.

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Welcome to the show.

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If I could ask you to just take a
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or follow whatever platform
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Remember, you can watch us on
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favorite podcast player and, um, you
know, if you subscribe or follow,

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you'll always get our great content.

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And I have with me my friend who can
help celebrate the major project that I.

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Have recently finished and by I, I mean
the people I hired to finish the project.

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You know, that's like
99.7% of my projects,

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Meaning that you hire somebody to do

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them.

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Yeah.

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they don't get done one of the two.

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And it's, and it's, well, we'll
see, we'll see if this continues.

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It's just, I'm, I'm, I'm
speaking of course of, you know,

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completely redoing The

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flooring and painting.

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So it was half me and half
the, the contractors and, um,

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I painted all of the upstairs.

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I got a new paint sprayer

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Did you remember to
clean it up by the way?

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After you're done?

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I did, of

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course I did.

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What is funny though
is, you know, the, the

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tip, you know, the tip is currently
in the cup holder in my car.

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I don't know why.

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It just is.

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Um,

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and, um, no, I, yeah, me neither.

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Um, and, uh, yeah, so the painting
finished and then the, you know,

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the, the flooring guy finished.

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Uh, technically the
flooring is at like 99%.

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They've got a couple of little
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do.

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Um, but it's, yeah, it's

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Which, which for people who may
not know, I think it was last year

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or the year before you did all of
the downstairs flooring yourself.

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I did, I did do all of
the downstairs flooring.

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And you may recall that what I
said after the end of that project,

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uh, was I'm too old for this shit.

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Um, and now that I'm currently,
uh, suffering like some weird,

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uh, meniscus thing going on on my

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Are you sure it's, I, I, I heard
it's, you know what I heard?

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It's actually called

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What?

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Old Age.

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Yeah, I am a year older than I did when
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Um, I will say I certainly miss the
cost that I had down here, right?

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Um, upstairs is somewhere between a half
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and I had, uh, $4,500 in labor alone.

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But, but I think one other thing
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is it didn't take two months.

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it didn't take two months.

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It took longer than I wanted it to.

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Uh, for those who have ever hired
contractors, they said they'd do it

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in three to four days, and it was
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you know, they had other projects and

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But it looked good.

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and I didn't, yeah,

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it looked great.

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it looked great.

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Um, and it, it's very weird
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from carpet to, um, LVP, which

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is luxury vinyl planking.

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And, um, it is very weird, but it is
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missed the carpet on my feet, but I don't
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Do you have a,

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it's not a Rosie Juju.

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B Judy.

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GDB.

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what

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what is it, Judy?

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What is that?

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What, what?

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room bug called?

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Oh, oh, June.

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Oh, that's Junie BI don't have a June.

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Yeah, I don't have a Junie B for upstairs.

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might be something

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and currently June.

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Currently Junie B is not working

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actually.

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Um, I need to spend
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Give her a little bit of love.

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know it's Curtis's.

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Roomba.

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yeah, that's the name,
that's the name for it.

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Was it?

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It was, um, it was, uh, my
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um, which is from the
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Uh, so I, we're gonna do
something very, very different.

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Uh, we've done

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this before.

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Yeah, I was gonna say it's, it's
different but not different.

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It's very, very diff I mean, unless you're
an avid follower of the podcast and have

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been listening for at least two years,
you've never heard me talk about this.

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Um, and it's a subject that's near and
dear to my heart for multiple reasons.

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More dear to your heart than backups.

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Okay.

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Outside of my career, it is, that is
definitely a, um, you know, it, it is very

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near and dear to my heart, and I, I want
to sort of like, I'm an American, right?

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I mean, I'm a very proud
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made, we've made our mistakes.

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We continue to make our mistakes, right.

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Um, and, but I am proud of what we have.

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Acco, you know, many of the
things that we've accomplished

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on, and I'm a, and I'm proud of
of things that we're trying to do.

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And one of the things that I am
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Is the American system of election, right?

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Hey, what system?

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What system exists?

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What are you talking about?

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so the way in which every two years
we elect, you know, people, right.

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You know, people are like,
what do you mean every two?

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You don't, you mean every four years?

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No, I mean every two years.

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Every two years.

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We either have a presidential election
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um, the, uh, when we, when we elect just
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members of the House of Representatives

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it could be your local
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That, that as well, right there, there
could be local, there, there could

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also be measures, you know, things.

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Um, and the fact that we have,
I think it was over 150 million

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people voted in the last election.

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Um, the fact that that happens and
the fact that it's done in such

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a way that allows you to vote and
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anonymously and in a way that, like,
it tracks that you voted right.

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not what

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record, not what you voted right.

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Not what you voted for.

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but it tracks that you, that
you voted in an election.

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But it, but it, but yeah, but they don't
know what, what, you know, what they voted

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but Curtis, I, so right now
it's October 14th when we're

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recording this, right?

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And the, uh, presidential elections
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And just like we heard
four years ago and the

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time before that, right?

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Everyone always complains
about the election, right?

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They're like, oh, I'm
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I don't trust the electronic

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voting system because there's that
entire hoopla about the dominion

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voting systems and how they can

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be hacked and everything in the world.

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Like we talk on this
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hacking and everything else,

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and yet we're putting our
full faith in the system

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that most people are not aware of, right?

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that is actually what is so amazing
to me in that, let me draw an analogy.

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It, it's gonna sound bizarre
at first, but you, you are, you

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are aware of, of Taylor guitars.

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Yep.

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Okay, so Taylor guitars happen
to be manufactured 100%.

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Well, true.

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Taylor guitars are manufactured
100% in San Diego, California.

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Right.

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They're ma measured,
manufactured in El Cajon.

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I've taken a tour of, of, of
Taylor Guitar Factory, and I

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say, I say truth Taylor Guitars.

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There are Taylor guitars that are
now made in Mexico, and I'm, I'm not

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putting them in the same category.

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they, um.

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And they're, and those are made
for a different price point

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and all this stuff, right?

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What I was amazed about with
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use of old world craftsmanship
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so?

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where, where a, a human
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being.

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And where a computer or a
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do it cheaper, but do it better, right?

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Here's a perfect example.

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Um, the, the applying lacquer.

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To a finished guitar.

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They have a robot that
is the classic one armed

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robot from a manufacturer.

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It was an, it was a, it was made for cars,

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okay.

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And the first thing they had
to do was to teach it how to

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hold a guitar and not crush it.

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Right?

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They, they, they talk all about it,
about how many guitars they destroyed.

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Um, getting, teaching it to hold a
guitar tight enough that you know,

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that it doesn't go anywhere, but
not too tight, you know, not so

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tight that it crushes the guitar.

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And they've programmed that to two things.

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One is they patented a process
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charging the guitar negatively.

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Charging it.

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And then positively charging the lacquer

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very similar process to

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go.

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Yeah, go ahead.

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Very

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similar to powder coating.

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Yep.

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And, uh, and then moving the
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that they, they apply a perfectly
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reducing the amount of waste in the

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process.

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So when I look at elections,
uh, and again, I, I, I, I can

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speak with quite a level of

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authority on how we do
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you've been doing this for how long?

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because I've now participated as an
election worker in every election and

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every primary since the 2016 primary.

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Okay.

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So that's

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several.

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That's a lot.

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Right.

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Um, I have also, I.

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Witnessed, you know, you, you, it,
the, the entire process is open

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and you can watch it at any time.

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I've witnessed the process of how
mail-in ballots are harvested.

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I've, I've witnessed a process of how
the, the, the ballot, the physical

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ballots are counted, how the physical
ballots are reconciled, and how, you know,

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and, and how signatures are verified.

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And I've seen, I, I'm pretty sure

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every portion of the process on the
backend, and I've physically participated

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in the front end of every part of the

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And, and you've also been a site
manager multiple years, right?

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And so I, you know, I'm,
I'm a, I'm a site manager.

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Um, this year I'll be the site manager.

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Um, in fact, as I'm recording this,
I'm, today, I, I went to my first

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of three days of training, uh, to be

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the site manager for

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but

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okay.

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So as a site manager, you're
basically running the voting

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site or the election site,

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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you have a team under you, and you

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have certain processes

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that you have to follow, and certain
things you have to know is three days

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really enough time to learn everything?

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Because you said you're in three
days of training for site manager.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So, uh, I wish I had 10 days, but but
what, what I can, what I can tell you is

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that, and, and I think this is the overall
message, and I don't want to get into

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it, obviously in a little bit of detail.

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The overall concept is that it's
enough training given that you, um, you

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have layers upon layers of checks and
balances, um, so that you know when, when

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somebody's trained to do a job, you know,
in the classroom today, for example.

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We had 29 poll workers that
were, uh, being trained and,

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and three site managers.

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And in that 29, only five or six
were the, it was their first time.

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Right.

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So there's this constant
sort of recycling.

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You have newer people, you
have people that have done this

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several times.

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We have people in there that have been
in an election since, you know, forever.

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And, um, you look at me and many of the
people in the room, we've done every

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election since we started doing it,

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the newer, uh, way.

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And,

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we'll talk about in a bit, but

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yeah,

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yeah, yeah.

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Um, so Go ahead.

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and the one other thing I wanted
to cover though is even with the

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three days, right, it's not like
they're just like tossing you out

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to C and being like, Hey, go at it.

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Right?

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They give you support, right?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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The, the people that
are, um, the trainers.

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So the trainers by the
way they go through, I.

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A month of training to become trainers.

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And, and by the way, I have some
vision, I have some, uh, visibility

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into that as well because my wife is a

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trainer and so she has gone
through a month of training to

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do her first, uh, to, to do the

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training.

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And, and, and then they have support
and they have, um, you know, they

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have junior and senior people in the

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training as well.

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My wife is now, this is her
third time doing training

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Yeah.

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and then,

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go

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and then even like the day of the,
like when you're on site, right?

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There's still people you
can talk to if you needed

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Yeah.

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So all of those trainers, the moment they
stop training, they go into support mode

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and they become the poll worker hotline.

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And, um, so they have to train, I
don't know how many trainers they have.

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So it, so in San Diego County we have 280,
somewhere in the neighborhood of 280 vote

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centers, and each of those vote centers
is gonna have somewhere between seven to.

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15 poll

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workers.

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So think about that.

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280 sites, you know,
let's say an average of

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10 poll workers, that's

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3000 people that you gotta train, right?

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So they have a big team of trainers.

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Um, and I, I, I think the, the
overall thing that impresses me, and

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by the way, in the room, so we get,
you know, one of the first things

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out of the mouth of the trainers
is we're here to help people vote.

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You are to represent, um, the
registrar voters or the ROV.

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You're not here to represent
your political views.

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Um, you, you are not a Republican
or a Democrat or an independent

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or a, you know what, whatever you,
you are a poll worker and our job.

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And, and, and it's amazing 'cause
I, I participated in, in a few, in

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enough of these, it's amazing to see.

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People that are at political opposites
of the, you know, or that they're at the

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opposite ends of the political spectrum.

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And you can, you spend enough time
with 'em, you can kind of get an

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inkling of where they fall politically.

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You have enough conversations with 'em.

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And by the way, uh, I'm
at, I'm at an 11 day site.

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There's a lot of chitchat and 11 day site.

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'cause there's a lot of downtime.

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Except the last couple

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an idea.

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Yeah.

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Except the last couple of days,
especially the, of election day.

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Um, you kind of see, you can kind of
get an idea where they fall politically.

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And sometimes you might even,
you might even, somebody might

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slip who they might vote for.

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But what's what's amazing is
they all have an equal desire to.

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Make this voting process
a good one, right?

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Uh, one with integrity, one that where the
voter has a pleasant voting experience.

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Um, and so when I do hear people
saying, and I had, I had a really

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interesting conversation with a, a, a,
you know, a colleague the other day,

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and he was really, he was, um, he was.

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Saying things like, you, you, you know
that there's got to be these problems.

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And I'm like, no, I don't
know it, and neither do you.

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And tell me what you think is like
your best idea of your evidence, right?

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And, and let me explain to you why
I don't see the things that you're

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worried about are even possible.

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Um, and so, so I thought, so,
I thought we'd, you know, it,

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it, it, we're recording this,
like you said, October 14th.

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I'm gonna put this as
the next, uh, episode.

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Even if it's not the one,
the next one in rotation.

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I'm gonna put this out
because I want people to vote,

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right?

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I want you to vote.

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I want, I, you know what I want you to do?

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I want you to question the process,
but I don't want you to question

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the process like, you know.

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Without talking to people that actually
know what they're talking about, I want

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you to go to your registrar voters or
whatever they call it, they should call, I

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think they all call 'em registrar voters.

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Go to your ROV and ask questions.

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Hey, I heard this.

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Can you tell me?

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Is this possible?

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Right?

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Um, I heard that people can stuff the
ballot box with thousands of ballots.

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Is that possible?

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Right.

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Um, I heard that.

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Um, you know, the, and
then people can like

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can be counted after

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Yeah.

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after

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Yeah.

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The votes that, yeah.

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And I'm concerned about, you can
say things like, this is my concern.

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I I have this problem.

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One of the main problems that I think
a lot of people that have been around

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a few years is we have, and covid.

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Covid drove this to some degree.

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We have much more mail-in
voting than we did before.

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Right.

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And, mail-in votes definitely take longer
to process and count than old school

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votes.

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And so it takes longer to certify
the election than it used to.

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And we're used to going to bed on
election night knowing the result,

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or having a pretty good idea.

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You know, the election has
been called for so and so,

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and that doesn't happen as

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well, and especially
given the numbers, right?

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Just the sheer quantity
it can sway an election.

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Right.

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It absolutely can't, you know,
the elections, so many elections

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have been very, very close.

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Um, and, um, so I want you to,
I want you to ask questions,

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So I have some questions for you

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since we're asking.

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So one of the things that I've heard
a lot of is people can go vote in one

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place, go to a different place, vote that

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because especially I.

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I.

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think that there was a slight
reduction in the number of

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vote centers, voting centers.

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And sometimes they're not
all connected together.

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And like I know as an example,
my neighborhood polling place

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that I used to go to or vote
center was in someone's garage,

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Right?

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right?

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And um, after or during Covid
that went away and now they just

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have a couple central places
like the library near my house.

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They have one.

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There you go, vote.

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Yeah.

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what

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prevents me from going to one voting
center, voting there, going to a different

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voting center, voting there, going to
yet another one all within my county,

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especially since I don't have a
dedicated place anymore like I used to.

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Yeah.

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So that's a great question.

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So.

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There are two ways that we have done
voting, and I think most counties

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have gone to the latter way.

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The old way was the
precinct style of voting.

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You are assigned to a precinct, you have
a voting location for that precinct.

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You go there and there's a
physical printed, um, poll book.

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Your name is either in it or it's not in

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it.

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And then you say, I'm here to
vote and I'm Prasanna Malaiyandi.

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And depending on where you live, you
may or may not be presenting voter

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ID to prove that you're that person.

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And then you, uh, and then you
vote, you cannot go, uh, normally

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you cannot go down the street.

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Uh, or, or you know, let's say you work
downtown, you can't go to a random garage.

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You know where there, you know, many
of these polling places were in very

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small places, like someone's garage.

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You cannot go to the, you know, a
different garage and vote because your

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name's not gonna be in the polling book.

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Now, some states, some counties, would
allow you to do what was called a

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provisional vote under that thing of
like, okay, I cannot make it to my.

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My precinct, my normal place, I
would like to vote provisionally.

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And they would have a way of doing that.

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And when we used to do it
that way, there were tons of

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provisional votes because of that.

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I can't find this person in the roster.

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Maybe they just went to the wrong polling
place and we would do a provisional vote.

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Right.

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That's the old way, right?

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Even with the provisional vote, so right.

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It was marked as a provisional ballot
such that when it got to the backend

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where they were doing all the counting,
they would just make sure that the

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person did not vote twice, right?

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right?

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Yeah.

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So when you do a provisional vote,
there's lots of extra paperwork.

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It goes into special envelope
that goes into a special pile.

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It gets special handling so that you make
sure that that person doesn't vote twice.

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Um, there are many downsides to that way.

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Right?

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One of them is, it's
actually a lot harder to.

491
00:23:34,716 --> 00:23:40,206
Manage the integrity of one or two people
voting in, you know, managing voting in

492
00:23:40,206 --> 00:23:42,966
a garage across thousands of locations.

493
00:23:43,476 --> 00:23:43,896
Right.

494
00:23:44,166 --> 00:23:45,906
That's actually quite hard.

495
00:23:46,476 --> 00:23:49,536
It's easier to have a large team, right?

496
00:23:50,136 --> 00:23:54,936
Um, and, and ensure that, you know,
you, you, you have lots of training

497
00:23:54,936 --> 00:23:56,526
and lots of support and all that stuff.

498
00:23:56,796 --> 00:24:00,096
So it's actually easier to,
to, to do a, a tighter process

499
00:24:00,096 --> 00:24:01,386
with larger groups of people.

500
00:24:02,076 --> 00:24:02,616
Um.

501
00:24:03,006 --> 00:24:06,456
So what, so what we now do, at
least, again, I can speak only with

502
00:24:06,456 --> 00:24:09,306
authority with what we do in San
Diego, but I'm, but from what I've

503
00:24:09,306 --> 00:24:12,816
read, many counties around the country
have done something very similar.

504
00:24:13,836 --> 00:24:17,316
And that is, they've gone to an electronic
poll book, they've gone to a smaller

505
00:24:17,316 --> 00:24:20,856
number of vote centers, uh, where they're
staffed by groups of people, like,

506
00:24:20,886 --> 00:24:22,596
like what I was talking about earlier.

507
00:24:23,076 --> 00:24:27,606
And they, um, you go to that vote
center, they have an electronic poll

508
00:24:27,606 --> 00:24:31,596
book, which is connected via a secure
location to a database somewhere.

509
00:24:32,286 --> 00:24:37,476
And then they can look you up in that
database and they can see what part

510
00:24:37,476 --> 00:24:40,596
of the county you live in, therefore
what ballot you should receive.

511
00:24:41,556 --> 00:24:43,986
And then they, um,

512
00:24:44,061 --> 00:24:44,451
By that

513
00:24:44,451 --> 00:24:44,901
you mean?

514
00:24:45,231 --> 00:24:48,021
Uh, like if you have local
measures or if you have

515
00:24:48,021 --> 00:24:49,071
local candidates,

516
00:24:49,536 --> 00:24:53,676
you, you wanna make sure you get the, the
appropriate ballot for your neighborhood.

517
00:24:54,576 --> 00:24:55,686
And, um.

518
00:24:56,616 --> 00:24:59,646
And then they're able to give
you access to that ballot.

519
00:24:59,676 --> 00:25:01,596
There's a couple different
ways that they do that.

520
00:25:01,686 --> 00:25:05,976
Um, some, uh, counties, like right
up the street, orange County,

521
00:25:05,976 --> 00:25:10,176
California, they actually print out
what I would call an old school.

522
00:25:10,176 --> 00:25:10,206
Uh.

523
00:25:11,031 --> 00:25:13,881
You know, ballot that you're, that
you're, used to seeing, right?

524
00:25:14,301 --> 00:25:17,301
And then you, you fill it out
with bubbles and stuff, right?

525
00:25:17,331 --> 00:25:20,931
And then, and then you turn that
ballot in the way San Diego does it.

526
00:25:21,081 --> 00:25:25,521
We u we use all BMDs ballot marking
devices, these are provided by Dominion,

527
00:25:26,121 --> 00:25:32,151
uh, that you go in and you mark your
choices and then you tell you, you

528
00:25:32,151 --> 00:25:36,321
can then review your choices and then
you can print and then those choices

529
00:25:36,321 --> 00:25:38,931
and print it out onto your ballot.

530
00:25:39,591 --> 00:25:42,561
And the machine does not
have a network connection.

531
00:25:43,011 --> 00:25:45,171
The machine does not store any data.

532
00:25:45,591 --> 00:25:49,971
Um, and the, the machine does not,
you know, your, your votes are not,

533
00:25:51,081 --> 00:25:55,971
I don't think there's any, I may be
wrong, but there were some, San Diego

534
00:25:55,971 --> 00:26:02,691
years ago did use a, a machine where,
a voting machine where you made.

535
00:26:03,111 --> 00:26:04,191
Your vote and then it.

536
00:26:04,191 --> 00:26:08,121
stored the vote in that machine
and then you print it out a tally.

537
00:26:09,411 --> 00:26:12,381
I don't, I don't think
anyone's doing that anymore.

538
00:26:12,681 --> 00:26:15,051
Um, that definitely
the election integrity.

539
00:26:15,051 --> 00:26:17,151
People in general don't like that way.

540
00:26:17,601 --> 00:26:18,681
They like this way.

541
00:26:18,771 --> 00:26:20,691
And it's funny, you, you
talked about the paper ballot.

542
00:26:21,801 --> 00:26:25,461
The beauty of the paper ballot
system is that it can be audited,

543
00:26:25,761 --> 00:26:26,151
right?

544
00:26:26,541 --> 00:26:30,381
So as long as you produce a paper
ballot, and whether you're using the

545
00:26:30,381 --> 00:26:34,641
mail-in ballot style, the old school
mail-in ballot or the, the, the

546
00:26:34,641 --> 00:26:39,951
BMD printed ballot, everyone has
a paper ballot and we can track

547
00:26:39,951 --> 00:26:43,641
all those paper ballots and we can
go back and we can review, right?

548
00:26:43,911 --> 00:26:50,151
So, um, the way it works, uh, here
is that at the end of each voting

549
00:26:50,151 --> 00:26:55,221
day, all of the BMD ballots and,
and in California every registered

550
00:26:55,221 --> 00:26:57,951
voter gets a ballot mailed to them.

551
00:26:58,281 --> 00:27:01,941
They can either mail that in, they can
drop it off at a mail-in, you know, vote

552
00:27:01,941 --> 00:27:07,431
location, or they can actually rip the
envelope up, bring in the printed ballot,

553
00:27:07,491 --> 00:27:09,771
and they can bring it
in and vote that ballot.

554
00:27:10,161 --> 00:27:13,851
If they'd prefer to do that, instead
of use the BMD, that's fine as well.

555
00:27:14,091 --> 00:27:15,501
Again, we just want people to

556
00:27:15,501 --> 00:27:16,491
vote, right?

557
00:27:16,851 --> 00:27:21,471
Or they can come in and use the BMD and
um, and then they get a printed ballot.

558
00:27:21,471 --> 00:27:24,951
In every case, it's a paper ballot, right?

559
00:27:25,611 --> 00:27:29,541
Then all of the paper ballots that
we are given as a site, we then

560
00:27:29,541 --> 00:27:34,161
put it in, uh, a ballot carton,
and it's sealed for that night.

561
00:27:34,611 --> 00:27:37,551
It immediately goes to,
uh, we call it dart.

562
00:27:37,581 --> 00:27:40,941
Uh, I can't remember what DART stands for.

563
00:27:40,941 --> 00:27:42,501
It's something about recovery team like.

564
00:27:42,591 --> 00:27:43,701
It's something, um,

565
00:27:43,806 --> 00:27:44,286
But someone

566
00:27:44,286 --> 00:27:45,371
comes and picks that up.

567
00:27:45,501 --> 00:27:45,851
Right.

568
00:27:46,086 --> 00:27:47,376
Well, we, they, there's a

569
00:27:47,376 --> 00:27:52,326
location where all of the vote
centers, um, in, in an area have a

570
00:27:52,326 --> 00:27:54,216
location that they, they go to dart.

571
00:27:54,216 --> 00:27:54,996
There's a van

572
00:27:55,326 --> 00:27:57,246
with multiple people in it at all times.

573
00:27:57,246 --> 00:28:00,876
All ballots have multiple
people, um, with them.

574
00:28:01,086 --> 00:28:01,416
Right.

575
00:28:02,466 --> 00:28:03,216
There's a van.

576
00:28:03,246 --> 00:28:06,576
That van, as soon as all of the sites
in that area that are supposed to

577
00:28:06,576 --> 00:28:11,586
go to that, that location, that van
then immediately goes to, uh, the ROV

578
00:28:11,706 --> 00:28:11,886
It

579
00:28:11,886 --> 00:28:14,766
peels out and does a little burnout and

580
00:28:15,396 --> 00:28:15,966
hauls,

581
00:28:16,326 --> 00:28:19,536
and it goes to the ROV and they report
that they're leaving for the ROV.

582
00:28:19,536 --> 00:28:23,676
You know, when we, when, when our
votes, when our ballots leave our

583
00:28:23,676 --> 00:28:27,846
site to go to dart, we call the
ROV, we are leaving to go to dart.

584
00:28:27,996 --> 00:28:28,806
And then we're the, okay, we're

585
00:28:29,016 --> 00:28:29,256
you know?

586
00:28:29,556 --> 00:28:30,666
You know what I'm thinking of?

587
00:28:31,206 --> 00:28:31,626
I'm thinking

588
00:28:31,626 --> 00:28:34,596
of like the secret service with
the president on my way to dart.

589
00:28:35,466 --> 00:28:35,676
Yeah.

590
00:28:36,576 --> 00:28:37,296
Well, that's what we do.

591
00:28:37,326 --> 00:28:38,136
Right?

592
00:28:38,286 --> 00:28:41,526
Um, and, um, Eagle is leaving.

593
00:28:41,886 --> 00:28:42,456
Um.

594
00:28:43,356 --> 00:28:47,406
And then when they, when they gather
all of the appropriate ballots

595
00:28:47,406 --> 00:28:50,496
from that area, then that then they
are, then they notify, you know,

596
00:28:50,616 --> 00:28:52,086
uh, ROV, that they're on the way.

597
00:28:52,086 --> 00:28:56,346
And then when they get there, they, they,
they do that and then they take each

598
00:28:56,346 --> 00:29:01,956
ballot carton is kept, all those ballots,
whether they're mail ballots or, or,

599
00:29:01,956 --> 00:29:05,196
well, they're, uh, we call 'em a carry in
ballot, meaning a ballot that was mailed

600
00:29:05,196 --> 00:29:08,016
to somebody, but they brought in and
voted it in person, or it's a BMD ballot.

601
00:29:08,046 --> 00:29:09,396
They're all kept in that carton.

602
00:29:10,326 --> 00:29:11,196
Why does that matter?

603
00:29:11,246 --> 00:29:13,496
At some point that that carton is tallied.

604
00:29:13,646 --> 00:29:14,066
Right.

605
00:29:14,246 --> 00:29:16,046
Um, it, it's always after.

606
00:29:16,106 --> 00:29:19,166
It's always, once election day
happens, they don't count the votes

607
00:29:19,526 --> 00:29:20,306
Oh, oh, sorry.

608
00:29:20,756 --> 00:29:24,986
Do you count how many are in that

609
00:29:25,046 --> 00:29:26,336
Thank Yeah, thanks for, yeah.

610
00:29:26,336 --> 00:29:29,516
So yeah, that's, that's part
of the, that's part of the,

611
00:29:29,516 --> 00:29:30,416
the checks and balances.

612
00:29:30,416 --> 00:29:31,166
We know how many I.

613
00:29:31,961 --> 00:29:33,281
Uh, carry in ballots.

614
00:29:33,281 --> 00:29:36,101
People brought in, we know how
many BMD ballots were printed out.

615
00:29:36,101 --> 00:29:39,821
We know it by which BMD, you know,
how many ballots each BMD printed.

616
00:29:39,821 --> 00:29:42,881
We add all that up and we're
like, we got 150 of these, we got

617
00:29:42,881 --> 00:29:44,681
120 of those, how many we have?

618
00:29:44,921 --> 00:29:45,671
270.

619
00:29:45,851 --> 00:29:46,211
Great.

620
00:29:46,691 --> 00:29:50,081
So it's not possible for somebody
to come in and put even one ballot

621
00:29:50,381 --> 00:29:51,701
and have all the numbers add up.

622
00:29:51,881 --> 00:29:52,211
Right.

623
00:29:53,021 --> 00:29:56,321
Um, certainly not possible for someone to
put hundreds or thousands of ballots in.

624
00:29:56,321 --> 00:29:56,591
Right.

625
00:29:57,791 --> 00:29:58,421
Um,

626
00:29:58,436 --> 00:29:59,966
What, uh, so I would, one question,

627
00:30:00,326 --> 00:30:04,061
since you talked about adding ballots,
what about not putting a ballot in?

628
00:30:06,071 --> 00:30:09,371
So that would be someone that sort
of disenfranchised themselves,

629
00:30:10,256 --> 00:30:10,376
Oh,

630
00:30:10,676 --> 00:30:11,876
or sorry.

631
00:30:11,876 --> 00:30:16,676
Is there something, some check
in the system to prevent,

632
00:30:17,006 --> 00:30:19,136
say, a poll worker acting

633
00:30:19,176 --> 00:30:19,526
Uhhuh?

634
00:30:20,396 --> 00:30:23,126
and not accepting a ballot from

635
00:30:23,981 --> 00:30:25,061
Yes.

636
00:30:25,121 --> 00:30:25,451
Yes.

637
00:30:25,571 --> 00:30:25,841
Right.

638
00:30:25,841 --> 00:30:27,611
So, so the, um.

639
00:30:28,511 --> 00:30:33,141
Um, first off, I will say that
the person accepting the ballots

640
00:30:33,171 --> 00:30:34,971
has no idea what's on the

641
00:30:35,151 --> 00:30:35,571
Mm-Hmm.

642
00:30:36,381 --> 00:30:36,861
right?

643
00:30:36,861 --> 00:30:39,441
They, they're, they're given a
piece of paper and a privacy seat.

644
00:30:39,441 --> 00:30:40,401
They have no idea.

645
00:30:41,061 --> 00:30:45,021
Um, and the voter is watching them
as they're handing the stuff, and

646
00:30:45,021 --> 00:30:46,551
so they're putting it in there.

647
00:30:46,551 --> 00:30:51,231
There are also processes where we, you
know, we there, the, the first voter

648
00:30:51,231 --> 00:30:54,801
process where the voter comes in and
verifies that the, that the ballot box

649
00:30:54,801 --> 00:30:55,341
is empty.

650
00:30:55,761 --> 00:30:57,081
We lock the ballot box.

651
00:30:57,351 --> 00:31:00,771
Then each voter that comes up,
they're, they're watching us put

652
00:31:00,771 --> 00:31:02,931
their ballot in the ballot box.

653
00:31:03,441 --> 00:31:08,751
And, um, so I don't see how a vote,
how a poll worker could get away with

654
00:31:08,751 --> 00:31:09,771
leaving one out.

655
00:31:09,771 --> 00:31:13,461
And even if they wanted to do that, they
wouldn't know which ones to leave out.

656
00:31:13,551 --> 00:31:13,841
yeah.

657
00:31:14,221 --> 00:31:17,321
The other thing is also, I think
you've told me before that the

658
00:31:17,326 --> 00:31:21,216
person checking someone in is
different than someone in the back.

659
00:31:21,216 --> 00:31:21,546
Right?

660
00:31:21,546 --> 00:31:22,026
So

661
00:31:22,101 --> 00:31:22,431
Yes.

662
00:31:22,431 --> 00:31:23,511
It, it's a whole team, right?

663
00:31:23,511 --> 00:31:24,831
You got people checking people in.

664
00:31:24,831 --> 00:31:26,061
You got people doing, giving

665
00:31:26,061 --> 00:31:26,781
them the ballots.

666
00:31:26,781 --> 00:31:29,391
You got people ma managing
the BMDs, and you got people

667
00:31:29,391 --> 00:31:30,651
managing the ballot box.

668
00:31:31,071 --> 00:31:34,641
And at all times there's, there's
at least two people, you know,

669
00:31:34,641 --> 00:31:36,111
whenever there's ballots, right?

670
00:31:36,771 --> 00:31:43,191
Um, and so, yeah, so any, any, anything
where the numbers would not add up would

671
00:31:43,341 --> 00:31:45,081
be glaring, right?

672
00:31:45,111 --> 00:31:45,471
Yeah.

673
00:31:46,221 --> 00:31:50,961
Um, and then, so then all those go
back and then they go into a carton

674
00:31:51,261 --> 00:31:53,121
and they stay with that carton.

675
00:31:53,151 --> 00:31:56,151
And each carton, they know that
this carton came from this vote

676
00:31:56,151 --> 00:32:00,071
center, vote center number 1
53 from, November, whatever.

677
00:32:00,581 --> 00:32:04,811
Um, and they know how many
ballots are in that carton, right?

678
00:32:06,101 --> 00:32:11,171
Then that carton is counted and
those ballots go back in that carton.

679
00:32:11,776 --> 00:32:12,191
So it's

680
00:32:12,191 --> 00:32:13,571
always kept together, right?

681
00:32:13,721 --> 00:32:15,161
Always kept in that carton.

682
00:32:15,821 --> 00:32:17,021
Why does that matter?

683
00:32:17,021 --> 00:32:21,791
Because then at the end of the process,
once all of the votes have been counted,

684
00:32:22,031 --> 00:32:22,421
And by the

685
00:32:22,421 --> 00:32:23,531
way, That's, automatic, right?

686
00:32:23,891 --> 00:32:24,371
The accounting.

687
00:32:24,671 --> 00:32:25,661
yeah, it is automated.

688
00:32:25,661 --> 00:32:26,471
Thank you for bringing that up.

689
00:32:26,681 --> 00:32:30,761
It is an automatic counting
process, but here's the thing.

690
00:32:30,761 --> 00:32:32,381
We need to double check.

691
00:32:32,831 --> 00:32:37,271
That the, that the machines are doing,
the computers that are doing the counter,

692
00:32:37,631 --> 00:32:41,111
that are doing what they're supposed to
be doing, that they're not flipping votes

693
00:32:41,111 --> 00:32:43,031
like has been suggested by some

694
00:32:43,031 --> 00:32:43,931
people, right?

695
00:32:43,931 --> 00:32:46,391
We need to, you know, or they're
not just making mistakes, they're

696
00:32:46,391 --> 00:32:49,121
not doing it maliciously, but
they're just making mistakes.

697
00:32:49,661 --> 00:32:54,101
So you need a human check
to the computer process.

698
00:32:54,101 --> 00:32:57,971
And so the way we do it here in San Diego
is we take, and I think this is actually

699
00:32:57,971 --> 00:33:01,841
dictated by California law, and so each
of the state or each of the counties

700
00:33:01,841 --> 00:33:05,351
is doing, um, this, you do a 1% manual

701
00:33:05,351 --> 00:33:05,681
check.

702
00:33:06,191 --> 00:33:09,431
So you take 1% of those cartons, you
take that carton, you know, and they

703
00:33:09,431 --> 00:33:12,821
just go up randomly to the shelf
and they grab up 1% of the cartons.

704
00:33:13,181 --> 00:33:14,411
They then, um.

705
00:33:15,121 --> 00:33:18,991
They sit around a table and you have
one person reading the ballot, and

706
00:33:18,991 --> 00:33:22,741
then, then other people that are
marking down tallies and then they

707
00:33:22,741 --> 00:33:24,271
have no idea what the count is.

708
00:33:24,601 --> 00:33:28,321
And they, they literally go measure by
measure, uh, candidate by candidate.

709
00:33:28,621 --> 00:33:31,021
They say, who, who, you know
this person voted for what?

710
00:33:31,951 --> 00:33:33,541
And then, uh,

711
00:33:33,571 --> 00:33:37,891
people num number up the tallies and
then they check those tallies against

712
00:33:37,891 --> 00:33:40,021
the computer tally of that carton.

713
00:33:40,231 --> 00:33:44,881
And if there's anything that's off it sets
up all kinds of alarm and could, if there

714
00:33:44,881 --> 00:33:49,201
were, you know, massive I irregularities,
it would trigger a much bigger

715
00:33:49,431 --> 00:33:49,721
yeah.

716
00:33:50,981 --> 00:33:56,961
And so just so people understand
the scale in San Diego County, 1%

717
00:33:57,501 --> 00:34:00,986
of votes is approximately how many

718
00:34:01,286 --> 00:34:03,331
that's a great question.

719
00:34:03,751 --> 00:34:04,231
Hang on.

720
00:34:04,281 --> 00:34:10,191
So I just took a quick look and it
was in the last election, 1.7 million

721
00:34:10,251 --> 00:34:12,291
votes were cast in San Diego County.

722
00:34:13,071 --> 00:34:18,921
And that doesn't mean, so it's
the 1% check is 1% of the cartons,

723
00:34:19,551 --> 00:34:19,791
Lot of

724
00:34:19,791 --> 00:34:20,391
the votes.

725
00:34:20,421 --> 00:34:20,811
Yeah.

726
00:34:20,841 --> 00:34:21,681
Not of the votes.

727
00:34:21,681 --> 00:34:25,011
So they take a look at the however
many cartons that they have.

728
00:34:25,011 --> 00:34:28,491
They take 1% of those cartons
that would come out to, did I

729
00:34:28,491 --> 00:34:29,961
get the math right about 17?

730
00:34:29,961 --> 00:34:33,081
Like if it was evenly
distributed, it'd be about 17,000

731
00:34:33,141 --> 00:34:33,621
votes.

732
00:34:34,251 --> 00:34:34,581
Yeah.

733
00:34:34,911 --> 00:34:36,561
And it takes several days, by the way

734
00:34:36,561 --> 00:34:37,191
to do that.

735
00:34:37,401 --> 00:34:39,741
because you, like you said,
you're doing across the entire

736
00:34:39,741 --> 00:34:41,211
ballot for every candidate,

737
00:34:41,211 --> 00:34:44,691
for every measure or every
position and every measure.

738
00:34:44,691 --> 00:34:44,931
Right.

739
00:34:44,931 --> 00:34:45,381
And all the

740
00:34:45,471 --> 00:34:45,921
Right.

741
00:34:46,131 --> 00:34:51,171
And again, um, and that's done
to ensure that the computers that

742
00:34:51,171 --> 00:34:55,491
are doing work for us are doing
what they're supposed to be doing.

743
00:34:55,581 --> 00:34:56,031
Right.

744
00:34:56,551 --> 00:35:00,301
One of the things I remember you had
mentioned is you had talked about sort

745
00:35:00,301 --> 00:35:02,371
of wanting to know the process Right.

746
00:35:02,371 --> 00:35:05,581
And making sure, and I think
you went and actually observed

747
00:35:05,581 --> 00:35:08,131
them counting the boxes, right?

748
00:35:08,791 --> 00:35:09,751
yeah, yeah.

749
00:35:10,231 --> 00:35:12,511
Um, by the way, we use the term cartons,

750
00:35:12,691 --> 00:35:13,981
boxes are a different thing.

751
00:35:14,131 --> 00:35:14,461
sorry.

752
00:35:14,821 --> 00:35:15,121
Yeah,

753
00:35:16,141 --> 00:35:19,441
So it's a ballot box, ballot carton.

754
00:35:19,681 --> 00:35:22,111
These are two we, we use
very specific terminology.

755
00:35:22,471 --> 00:35:26,101
Um, a ballot box is where you put
your ballot in, and the carton

756
00:35:26,101 --> 00:35:27,601
is, is is where they're stored.

757
00:35:28,321 --> 00:35:30,181
Um, it sounds silly, but it's just,

758
00:35:30,181 --> 00:35:31,381
it keeps terminology right?

759
00:35:31,411 --> 00:35:31,711
Yeah.

760
00:35:32,311 --> 00:35:34,531
Um, but anyway, what were you gonna say?

761
00:35:35,176 --> 00:35:36,826
so you went and observed, right?

762
00:35:36,826 --> 00:35:37,036
You

763
00:35:37,036 --> 00:35:37,876
went one year, right?

764
00:35:37,876 --> 00:35:38,176
And

765
00:35:38,281 --> 00:35:38,611
that,

766
00:35:38,611 --> 00:35:41,701
that, by the way, that's another thing
that, that's amazing to me is that this

767
00:35:41,701 --> 00:35:43,411
thing is, is a hundred percent open.

768
00:35:43,621 --> 00:35:45,361
You can watch any part of the process.

769
00:35:45,481 --> 00:35:49,561
I had a voter in the last
election who was very distrustful.

770
00:35:49,561 --> 00:35:51,001
Distrustful, is that the right word?

771
00:35:51,001 --> 00:35:56,221
Just she was not trusting the
ballot, the, the election process.

772
00:35:56,221 --> 00:35:59,911
And I said, you know, you can watch
it, you can come tonight, you know, at

773
00:35:59,911 --> 00:36:03,241
five o'clock when we close the poll,
you can come and you can watch The

774
00:36:03,241 --> 00:36:05,911
way we tally the, the, the ballots.

775
00:36:05,911 --> 00:36:08,011
We don't tally the votes,
but we tally the ballots to

776
00:36:08,011 --> 00:36:09,691
make sure that the numbers
match up and everything.

777
00:36:09,691 --> 00:36:12,706
And then we, the paperwork and the
chain of custody log and all that stuff.

778
00:36:12,706 --> 00:36:14,761
And, and then how two
people will take it to dart.

779
00:36:14,761 --> 00:36:16,051
You can watch that entire process.

780
00:36:16,231 --> 00:36:19,621
You can then go to the ROV and you
can watch them count the ballots.

781
00:36:19,621 --> 00:36:21,781
You can watch them do the mail-in ballots.

782
00:36:21,781 --> 00:36:24,631
You can watch 'em do the
signature verification, right.

783
00:36:24,721 --> 00:36:27,661
Um, and yeah, so the, it's a
hundred percent open process.

784
00:36:28,006 --> 00:36:28,486
Okay.

785
00:36:29,201 --> 00:36:35,441
Yeah, so what I was describing up to this
point is the in-person voting process.

786
00:36:35,861 --> 00:36:40,451
At the same time, the majority
of voters aren't participating

787
00:36:40,451 --> 00:36:41,501
in that process at all.

788
00:36:42,401 --> 00:36:42,611
Right?

789
00:36:43,331 --> 00:36:47,141
So the majority of voters in
California, I don't know what the actual

790
00:36:47,141 --> 00:36:52,361
percentage is, but I know it's the vast
majority, uh, every in, in California.

791
00:36:52,361 --> 00:36:54,191
And, and I'm guessing
they're gonna continue this.

792
00:36:54,191 --> 00:36:58,151
Every registered voter in
California is sent a mail ballot.

793
00:36:58,841 --> 00:37:01,391
And this is where a lot of
accusations have happened.

794
00:37:01,391 --> 00:37:03,701
And so, you know, we should
talk about that process.

795
00:37:03,701 --> 00:37:05,321
People move in and people move out

796
00:37:05,321 --> 00:37:07,331
and, and people get mail.

797
00:37:07,331 --> 00:37:12,461
They get mail-in ballots for registered
voters that no longer live in a location.

798
00:37:12,461 --> 00:37:14,141
So could they just turn those in?

799
00:37:14,861 --> 00:37:15,791
Short answer.

800
00:37:15,881 --> 00:37:16,601
Sure.

801
00:37:17,171 --> 00:37:19,591
Or mail gets stolen all the time these

802
00:37:19,781 --> 00:37:20,861
Mail gets stolen.

803
00:37:20,951 --> 00:37:23,291
Could they steal that ballot?

804
00:37:23,801 --> 00:37:27,131
That, that, that mail-in envelope, by
the way, I'm looking over right now.

805
00:37:27,191 --> 00:37:28,121
Hang on, hang on one second.

806
00:37:28,751 --> 00:37:30,341
Welcome to the Preston household.

807
00:37:31,271 --> 00:37:32,591
Here are all the mail-in ballots.

808
00:37:32,681 --> 00:37:34,356
Mail ballot in my house.

809
00:37:34,871 --> 00:37:35,351
Okay.

810
00:37:35,921 --> 00:37:39,101
Um, these are, these are
all family members of mine.

811
00:37:39,281 --> 00:37:39,731
Okay.

812
00:37:40,271 --> 00:37:46,031
Could I take every one of these ballots
and then fill them out for the candidate

813
00:37:46,031 --> 00:37:50,141
and measures that I like, and then
sign their name and send them in?

814
00:37:50,531 --> 00:37:52,511
Yes, I absolutely could.

815
00:37:53,741 --> 00:37:56,441
I would be committing
a felony, number one.

816
00:37:56,801 --> 00:38:02,351
Number two, the, the challenge is on
the backend signature verification

817
00:38:02,801 --> 00:38:07,181
because every single one of these
ballots, uh, actually let me

818
00:38:07,181 --> 00:38:10,451
just, I shall open my ballots.

819
00:38:10,451 --> 00:38:13,361
So, you know, it comes in a, it's
funny, I never even thought about doing

820
00:38:13,361 --> 00:38:14,681
this, but here's my mail-in ballot,

821
00:38:15,041 --> 00:38:15,491
did you cover

822
00:38:15,491 --> 00:38:16,271
your address?

823
00:38:17,381 --> 00:38:18,101
It's got my address.

824
00:38:18,461 --> 00:38:18,791
Yes.

825
00:38:19,601 --> 00:38:19,811
Did you

826
00:38:19,811 --> 00:38:21,311
cover it from the YouTube video?

827
00:38:22,031 --> 00:38:23,051
uh, yeah, we'll see.

828
00:38:23,291 --> 00:38:24,161
We'll see how that goes.

829
00:38:25,601 --> 00:38:31,301
And then in this ballot, um, so I get a, I
get a, uh, you know, instructions on what

830
00:38:31,301 --> 00:38:33,491
to do, and I get a, I voted sticker here,

831
00:38:33,896 --> 00:38:34,556
Woo hoo.

832
00:38:35,801 --> 00:38:39,701
And this is when I was talking
about old school ballot.

833
00:38:39,791 --> 00:38:41,411
This is what I was talking about, right?

834
00:38:41,831 --> 00:38:43,901
This is the old school ballot, right?

835
00:38:44,921 --> 00:38:52,121
And this has, um, you know, obviously
the presidential stuff as well as the

836
00:38:52,121 --> 00:38:57,581
local measures for my, um, you know,
I got prop, prop five, prop four,

837
00:38:57,581 --> 00:39:02,531
prop three, and then I have this,
this is the key to this whole thing.

838
00:39:02,621 --> 00:39:02,841
Yep.

839
00:39:04,241 --> 00:39:12,191
So on this ballot, I'll cover up some
personal information on this ballot here,

840
00:39:12,281 --> 00:39:15,701
right is some numbers and a barcode.

841
00:39:16,421 --> 00:39:16,841
Right.

842
00:39:17,381 --> 00:39:18,431
All of that.

843
00:39:18,671 --> 00:39:23,471
And it means that it's gibberish
to me, but that barcode and

844
00:39:23,471 --> 00:39:25,811
those numbers are assigned to me,

845
00:39:25,871 --> 00:39:31,811
to this, this ballot, and me as a
voter when I send in this ballot.

846
00:39:32,471 --> 00:39:34,961
Um, so, so a couple things.

847
00:39:34,961 --> 00:39:40,781
One is you, so every bo every ballot
that is sent to a voter is tracked.

848
00:39:41,741 --> 00:39:45,031
And, if I fill out this mail-in
ballot, and I put it in this mail-in

849
00:39:45,031 --> 00:39:49,111
envelope, when it gets sent on the
other side, one of the things is that

850
00:39:49,111 --> 00:39:51,361
I have to sign it here and date it.

851
00:39:51,541 --> 00:39:51,901
Right?

852
00:39:52,021 --> 00:39:52,241
Yep.

853
00:39:53,131 --> 00:39:57,541
And then on the backend, there is
a team of highly specialized people

854
00:39:57,571 --> 00:39:59,911
that I got to watch in detail.

855
00:40:01,051 --> 00:40:03,181
Whose job it is to
verify these signatures.

856
00:40:03,181 --> 00:40:06,181
And they verify them against
the signatures that they have on

857
00:40:06,181 --> 00:40:08,101
file with the DMV and the ROV.

858
00:40:08,531 --> 00:40:08,651
Hmm.

859
00:40:09,331 --> 00:40:11,521
And they have a, a series of teams.

860
00:40:11,521 --> 00:40:17,011
One is a computer check, and, uh, you
know, if it's like perfectly matched

861
00:40:17,011 --> 00:40:18,601
and then a computer could pass it.

862
00:40:18,871 --> 00:40:21,661
And then if it's not perfect, then
it's actually a very small percentage

863
00:40:21,661 --> 00:40:22,621
that could pass through that.

864
00:40:23,041 --> 00:40:26,311
And then if it's not perfect, you
have a, a series of teams of people

865
00:40:26,311 --> 00:40:27,961
who are more specialized and more

866
00:40:27,961 --> 00:40:32,101
experienced that they just pa they're
like, I can't, I can't verify this.

867
00:40:32,101 --> 00:40:32,341
Right?

868
00:40:32,491 --> 00:40:33,901
Some are like really obvious.

869
00:40:33,901 --> 00:40:34,921
They just, they printed

870
00:40:34,921 --> 00:40:35,941
it instead of signing it.

871
00:40:35,941 --> 00:40:39,891
And it's very, it's obvious, but
sometimes, and then at the very top of

872
00:40:39,891 --> 00:40:44,421
it, someone can reject a mail-in ballot.

873
00:40:44,691 --> 00:40:50,661
And when that happens, the voter
that this ballot is, is, uh, you

874
00:40:50,661 --> 00:40:53,661
know, from, is sent a curing letter

875
00:40:53,676 --> 00:40:54,006
Yeah,

876
00:40:54,006 --> 00:40:55,866
I was gonna say, it's like special, right?

877
00:40:55,866 --> 00:40:59,016
It's not like, Hey, I'm just
rejecting you Don't get to participate

878
00:40:59,316 --> 00:41:00,366
in the election at all.

879
00:41:00,366 --> 00:41:03,276
It's just we can't accept
your current ballot.

880
00:41:04,266 --> 00:41:05,706
We will let you then.

881
00:41:05,706 --> 00:41:06,186
Then there's this

882
00:41:06,411 --> 00:41:07,161
Let you fix it.

883
00:41:07,161 --> 00:41:07,491
Yeah.

884
00:41:07,701 --> 00:41:10,731
And they'll, they'll send you a,
they'll send you a, a letter to say,

885
00:41:10,731 --> 00:41:13,881
you know, if, if this was your ballot,
uh, and you intended it to be your

886
00:41:13,881 --> 00:41:16,731
ballot, you can sign this letter and
you can either mail it to us or you

887
00:41:16,731 --> 00:41:17,961
can drop it off at a vote center.

888
00:41:18,891 --> 00:41:22,161
But the thing, really important
thing to understand is that all of

889
00:41:22,161 --> 00:41:23,751
this stuff, it's all gotta work.

890
00:41:23,751 --> 00:41:27,861
It's all gotta match this idea that
someone would magically pro, pro, uh,

891
00:41:27,921 --> 00:41:32,601
produce a bunch of fake things of these,
these are all in a computer somewhere.

892
00:41:33,201 --> 00:41:33,651
Right.

893
00:41:34,131 --> 00:41:38,151
Um, so that you can't just produce a
bunch of ballots and a bunch of mail-in

894
00:41:38,151 --> 00:41:42,591
envelopes and then send them in and
then have signatures also on file.

895
00:41:43,131 --> 00:41:43,521
Right.

896
00:41:43,611 --> 00:41:44,121
You following

897
00:41:44,286 --> 00:41:44,586
Yeah.

898
00:41:44,646 --> 00:41:47,256
No, that's what I was just gonna think,
because going back to my scenario

899
00:41:47,256 --> 00:41:50,526
that someone steals your mail, steals
all the ballots in your neighborhood,

900
00:41:51,111 --> 00:41:51,531
Right.

901
00:41:51,546 --> 00:41:51,876
right.

902
00:41:51,906 --> 00:41:54,816
And they just put all the votes they want.

903
00:41:55,416 --> 00:41:58,086
The signatures matching,
I think is the hard part.

904
00:41:58,881 --> 00:41:59,241
Yeah,

905
00:42:01,371 --> 00:42:04,701
like there's, there's entire
fields of of signature matching.

906
00:42:04,701 --> 00:42:05,091
Right.

907
00:42:06,411 --> 00:42:08,661
I thought about a malicious
way to do that, though.

908
00:42:08,751 --> 00:42:09,981
Maybe I shouldn't mention it.

909
00:42:10,956 --> 00:42:11,856
Go ahead, go ahead.

910
00:42:12,441 --> 00:42:15,921
So what you do is you pretend
to be someone collecting

911
00:42:15,921 --> 00:42:20,091
signatures for some proposition
or some measure to gain support.

912
00:42:20,091 --> 00:42:22,941
You walk the neighborhood, you
collect all the signatures.

913
00:42:23,266 --> 00:42:25,221
Now you have the signatures
of all the people.

914
00:42:25,221 --> 00:42:30,951
You steal all their ballots,
and now you duplicate or copy

915
00:42:30,951 --> 00:42:33,051
their signatures onto the ballot.

916
00:42:33,076 --> 00:42:35,511
Yeah, that is a significant effort.

917
00:42:35,841 --> 00:42:42,591
Um, number two, I would say the, the
possibility of you successfully producing

918
00:42:42,651 --> 00:42:44,571
all of their signatures is quite

919
00:42:44,571 --> 00:42:45,021
low.

920
00:42:45,501 --> 00:42:45,951
Right.

921
00:42:46,016 --> 00:42:46,236
And

922
00:42:46,281 --> 00:42:47,811
stealing all those ballots without

923
00:42:47,931 --> 00:42:51,051
Not to mention sealing all the ballots,
not to mention how many felonies

924
00:42:51,051 --> 00:42:52,311
you've been producing along the way.

925
00:42:52,761 --> 00:42:57,591
And by the way, this is, I, I'll just
throw out one of my favorite sort of, has

926
00:42:57,591 --> 00:43:01,731
nothing to do with the process, but one
of my favorite reasons why I don't think

927
00:43:01,731 --> 00:43:05,541
that any, uh, you know, there's already
been hundreds of investigations and they

928
00:43:05,541 --> 00:43:11,681
never found enough, you know, significant
voter fraud that would've ever overturned,

929
00:43:11,741 --> 00:43:13,781
uh, any, you know, uh, election.

930
00:43:14,111 --> 00:43:16,841
But, but here, here's the
Curtis Preston way of thinking.

931
00:43:17,381 --> 00:43:20,621
Um, have you ever tried to throw a,
um, uh, a surprise birthday party?

932
00:43:21,076 --> 00:43:21,296
Yes.

933
00:43:22,331 --> 00:43:25,631
Have, do you know how hard it is
to throw a surprise birthday party

934
00:43:26,171 --> 00:43:27,491
to get 10 people

935
00:43:27,956 --> 00:43:28,076
to

936
00:43:28,076 --> 00:43:28,516
say anything.

937
00:43:29,411 --> 00:43:29,891
not say

938
00:43:30,206 --> 00:43:31,481
Curtis, just look at you.

939
00:43:31,481 --> 00:43:34,601
You could barely keep the secret
about your floors from your wife.

940
00:43:35,681 --> 00:43:39,461
yeah, so it, it's a little silly, but.

941
00:43:39,956 --> 00:43:45,566
In order to throw an election like this,
you need thousands of people to agree to

942
00:43:45,566 --> 00:43:54,986
commit multiple felonies, to throw your
election, um, and then not talk about it.

943
00:43:55,706 --> 00:43:55,996
Yeah.

944
00:43:56,546 --> 00:43:56,996
Right?

945
00:43:56,996 --> 00:44:00,926
Not ever get a twinge of guilt
and then turn you all in.

946
00:44:01,616 --> 00:44:07,316
Um, and there was one, um, there was
one story, and again, this came out in,

947
00:44:07,316 --> 00:44:12,986
in talking to my, there is one story
of one election in North Carolina in

948
00:44:12,986 --> 00:44:19,526
2018 where, um, some, it happened to
be Republicans that were, um, that were

949
00:44:19,916 --> 00:44:23,006
busted doing some mail-in voter fraud.

950
00:44:23,336 --> 00:44:29,876
Now, having said that, most of it was
just them violating, I, I know this

951
00:44:29,876 --> 00:44:30,956
is gonna sound weird when I say it.

952
00:44:30,956 --> 00:44:33,026
At first, all they did.

953
00:44:33,416 --> 00:44:37,556
For the most part was violate
the laws on how ballots of

954
00:44:37,556 --> 00:44:39,116
mail-in ballots can be collected.

955
00:44:39,776 --> 00:44:40,136
Right.

956
00:44:40,226 --> 00:44:40,346
Uh,

957
00:44:40,481 --> 00:44:42,341
Oh, they were collecting it from people.

958
00:44:42,956 --> 00:44:46,556
They were collecting from people and
then, and depositing them and, and I'm

959
00:44:46,556 --> 00:44:49,286
assuming that they would just collect them
from people that they knew how they would

960
00:44:49,286 --> 00:44:49,676
vote.

961
00:44:49,796 --> 00:44:50,156
Right.

962
00:44:50,586 --> 00:44:54,036
The North Carolina law
requires two witnesses,

963
00:44:54,486 --> 00:44:56,316
and so they were faking
the two witnesses and

964
00:44:56,316 --> 00:44:56,676
things.

965
00:44:56,796 --> 00:44:59,886
Now there were some, apparently
there was some evidence that

966
00:44:59,886 --> 00:45:01,866
they also changed some votes.

967
00:45:02,556 --> 00:45:06,816
Um, and, and I, I, you know, that
obviously all of this is wrong,

968
00:45:07,356 --> 00:45:12,126
uh, it did get discovered and they
actually, uh, redid the election.

969
00:45:12,636 --> 00:45:14,556
Uh, but that's the only one.

970
00:45:14,556 --> 00:45:18,516
But what's interesting is it kind of
proves my point that when you do something

971
00:45:18,516 --> 00:45:20,676
big enough to throw an election, you, you

972
00:45:20,811 --> 00:45:21,711
You're gonna talk about it?

973
00:45:21,801 --> 00:45:22,131
Yep.

974
00:45:22,356 --> 00:45:22,776
Yeah.

975
00:45:23,796 --> 00:45:28,146
Um, but anyway, the, the, the, I think.

976
00:45:28,926 --> 00:45:35,046
That given the process, the
mail-in ballot method is the most

977
00:45:35,046 --> 00:45:37,536
secure way that I can cast a vote.

978
00:45:38,166 --> 00:45:38,526
Right?

979
00:45:38,586 --> 00:45:42,426
I can ensure that my, you know,
the, the, I can either turn it

980
00:45:42,426 --> 00:45:44,046
in physically or I can mail it.

981
00:45:44,646 --> 00:45:49,776
And, um, the, the US mail system is
also a, you know, an, an amazing thing.

982
00:45:49,866 --> 00:45:50,286
Right?

983
00:45:50,406 --> 00:45:51,246
Is it perfect?

984
00:45:51,426 --> 00:45:51,936
No.

985
00:45:52,266 --> 00:45:56,976
But, uh, a mail carrier friend of
mine said once, you know, you do few

986
00:45:56,976 --> 00:45:58,446
things in life with the certainty

987
00:45:58,446 --> 00:46:01,176
that you, do when you, uh, with
placing a first class envelope

988
00:46:01,176 --> 00:46:02,706
in the, in the mail system.

989
00:46:02,706 --> 00:46:03,036
And I'm like,

990
00:46:03,516 --> 00:46:04,236
that's kind of true.

991
00:46:05,076 --> 00:46:05,496
Yeah.

992
00:46:05,586 --> 00:46:07,866
And you'll get notified when
your ballot is received.

993
00:46:07,866 --> 00:46:10,326
You'll get notified when
your ballot is, is counted.

994
00:46:11,136 --> 00:46:13,746
And, uh, and so if if that
doesn't happen, you could, you

995
00:46:13,746 --> 00:46:14,706
could do something about it.

996
00:46:14,706 --> 00:46:15,006
Right.

997
00:46:15,556 --> 00:46:18,911
And the thing is that every
single step of the process has

998
00:46:18,911 --> 00:46:20,621
all of these checks and balances.

999
00:46:20,961 --> 00:46:24,636
Also the people who,
what do they call 'em?

1000
00:46:25,716 --> 00:46:27,726
The election observers, right?

1001
00:46:28,296 --> 00:46:28,956
Yes.

1002
00:46:29,106 --> 00:46:29,766
Yes.

1003
00:46:29,826 --> 00:46:31,686
So you are at any point.

1004
00:46:31,686 --> 00:46:33,366
We had an observer today in training.

1005
00:46:33,366 --> 00:46:33,696
By the way.

1006
00:46:33,696 --> 00:46:35,136
That was the first that I've seen.

1007
00:46:35,616 --> 00:46:38,766
Um, we had an observer who sat there
and watched an entire day of training.

1008
00:46:39,366 --> 00:46:42,006
And, uh, he was very
interested and you can do that.

1009
00:46:42,006 --> 00:46:43,656
You can go and watch, you can observe.

1010
00:46:43,986 --> 00:46:47,856
There are two different
types of, of, of observers.

1011
00:46:48,396 --> 00:46:51,966
There are observers that are just
observing the integrity of the process.

1012
00:46:51,971 --> 00:46:56,466
There, there are also observers that
are watching after a particular measure

1013
00:46:57,096 --> 00:46:58,026
they're trying to get.

1014
00:46:58,026 --> 00:47:01,146
So remember how I said people
don't know how you vote?

1015
00:47:01,491 --> 00:47:03,321
But they know that you did vote.

1016
00:47:04,101 --> 00:47:07,131
You can at any time go up and find out.

1017
00:47:07,191 --> 00:47:09,981
You can go to a polling place
and you can find out who in

1018
00:47:09,981 --> 00:47:12,081
this neighborhood has voted.

1019
00:47:12,471 --> 00:47:14,901
And you can, you can, if
you're a registered Republican

1020
00:47:14,901 --> 00:47:16,461
or a Democrat, you can

1021
00:47:16,821 --> 00:47:19,911
say what Republicans have voted,
what Democrats have voted.

1022
00:47:19,911 --> 00:47:22,161
And you can literally then go knock
on the doors and say, Hey man,

1023
00:47:22,376 --> 00:47:23,931
you, you know, you gotta come vote.

1024
00:47:24,301 --> 00:47:26,371
Actually, I just wanna go back
to something you said earlier.

1025
00:47:27,706 --> 00:47:30,946
This idea what, and I, and I know
I kind of said it already, but

1026
00:47:30,946 --> 00:47:34,036
this idea of like, why are we, why
are we so antiquated with paper?

1027
00:47:34,846 --> 00:47:35,056
Right?

1028
00:47:35,056 --> 00:47:36,646
That seems antiquated, right?

1029
00:47:36,646 --> 00:47:40,366
And I see people that don't know what
they're talking about, or at least they've

1030
00:47:40,366 --> 00:47:43,366
never talked to anybody that, that knows
anything about the election system.

1031
00:47:43,366 --> 00:47:46,546
Why is it that we're doing this
with this, this antiquated, you

1032
00:47:46,546 --> 00:47:48,166
know, we can put people on Mars.

1033
00:47:48,676 --> 00:47:50,056
Well, not yet, right?

1034
00:47:50,236 --> 00:47:50,596
We can put

1035
00:47:50,636 --> 00:47:51,556
catch a rocket

1036
00:47:52,366 --> 00:47:55,546
we can catch a rocket, we can
have a rocket land and reuse

1037
00:47:55,546 --> 00:47:56,446
and all that kind of stuff.

1038
00:47:56,956 --> 00:48:00,916
We gotta have a car that drives itself,
but we've gotta use paper to vote.

1039
00:48:01,066 --> 00:48:02,176
What is wrong with that?

1040
00:48:02,566 --> 00:48:02,836
Right?

1041
00:48:02,836 --> 00:48:04,516
I, I get that concept.

1042
00:48:05,266 --> 00:48:09,766
Um, the, and the reason
is that it can be audited.

1043
00:48:09,916 --> 00:48:14,356
You can, at any time, you could go back
if you wanted to, you could go back and

1044
00:48:14,356 --> 00:48:18,826
re-litigate Gore versus Bush, right?

1045
00:48:19,036 --> 00:48:23,956
By the way, many groups have, and every
time that, that election was so close.

1046
00:48:24,661 --> 00:48:28,591
That many groups have done
it, and every time they do it,

1047
00:48:28,591 --> 00:48:29,581
they get a different result.

1048
00:48:30,631 --> 00:48:31,081
Right?

1049
00:48:31,201 --> 00:48:34,051
Because they're doing a manual count,
they're not doing a computer count.

1050
00:48:34,141 --> 00:48:36,781
And there is the, the
idea of the hanging Chad.

1051
00:48:37,186 --> 00:48:37,546
Right.

1052
00:48:37,846 --> 00:48:40,096
And by the way, just as long as
we're talking about, and this is

1053
00:48:40,096 --> 00:48:42,346
computer people, Chad is plural.

1054
00:48:42,766 --> 00:48:43,246
Okay.

1055
00:48:44,146 --> 00:48:45,106
It's like confetti.

1056
00:48:45,286 --> 00:48:48,616
Chad is the stuff left on the
floor after creating a punch card.

1057
00:48:48,616 --> 00:48:50,776
There is no such thing as a Chad.

1058
00:48:51,316 --> 00:48:52,756
Anyway, sorry, I digress.

1059
00:48:54,046 --> 00:48:58,756
Um, the problem with that ballot,
that was the butterfly ballot.

1060
00:48:58,756 --> 00:48:58,876
Do you

1061
00:48:59,026 --> 00:49:00,136
yep, yep, yep, yep.

1062
00:49:00,646 --> 00:49:01,096
Yeah.

1063
00:49:01,336 --> 00:49:04,966
There were people, I am convinced
to this day that there were people

1064
00:49:04,966 --> 00:49:08,446
that thought they were voting for
one person and they actually ended

1065
00:49:08,446 --> 00:49:09,586
up voting for a different person.

1066
00:49:09,586 --> 00:49:12,106
But, you know, we gotta

1067
00:49:12,161 --> 00:49:12,401
a pass.

1068
00:49:12,511 --> 00:49:13,001
Exactly.

1069
00:49:13,576 --> 00:49:14,416
That's the past.

1070
00:49:14,776 --> 00:49:19,546
Um, and which is why we don't, we don't,
we don't use those style of ballots.

1071
00:49:20,236 --> 00:49:22,696
Um, those got thrown away a long time ago.

1072
00:49:23,276 --> 00:49:27,656
So this is why paper's important
at any time, if there's a question,

1073
00:49:27,656 --> 00:49:31,136
if there if, if some people that
run stats go, this is really weird.

1074
00:49:31,136 --> 00:49:36,146
Why, why do the numbers look this
way in North County San Diego?

1075
00:49:36,326 --> 00:49:36,776
Right?

1076
00:49:37,376 --> 00:49:39,386
Let's look at every carton

1077
00:49:39,701 --> 00:49:40,566
Because try to

1078
00:49:40,566 --> 00:49:41,456
stuff the ballot

1079
00:49:41,666 --> 00:49:45,176
from, from Curtis's Vote Center, right?

1080
00:49:46,286 --> 00:49:50,216
And, um, they can look
at those at every time.

1081
00:49:50,216 --> 00:49:52,976
They can also then do
fingerprint analysis on

1082
00:49:52,976 --> 00:49:56,096
the pieces of paper that went
through all the machines, right?

1083
00:49:56,816 --> 00:50:00,206
Um, they can do, they can
do all, all of these things.

1084
00:50:00,206 --> 00:50:01,886
They can do that at any point.

1085
00:50:02,276 --> 00:50:05,726
And those ballots get kept in that
carton for a certain period of time.

1086
00:50:05,726 --> 00:50:09,146
And they can do that, you know,
as long as they need to do that.

1087
00:50:09,236 --> 00:50:09,626
Right?

1088
00:50:09,746 --> 00:50:14,006
Um, oh, I, I know where I was gonna go to
go back to something that I said earlier.

1089
00:50:14,786 --> 00:50:16,556
One of the problems.

1090
00:50:17,571 --> 00:50:22,136
That that people have today is
that we don't get the results

1091
00:50:22,136 --> 00:50:23,036
on election night the way

1092
00:50:23,036 --> 00:50:23,546
we used to.

1093
00:50:24,386 --> 00:50:31,706
That is the only kind of downside to a
significant amount of mail-in voting.

1094
00:50:32,846 --> 00:50:36,896
Um, because processing these
mail-in votes looking, those

1095
00:50:36,896 --> 00:50:39,146
signatures takes a lot longer

1096
00:50:39,446 --> 00:50:41,846
than the mail, than the in-person voting.

1097
00:50:42,296 --> 00:50:46,796
while we have increased the number of
mail-in pallets, we've always had them for

1098
00:50:47,156 --> 00:50:49,466
like service spend who are abroad right.

1099
00:50:49,466 --> 00:50:50,966
And right to make

1100
00:50:50,966 --> 00:50:53,306
sure they don't get
disenfranchised because they

1101
00:50:53,306 --> 00:50:53,486
don't

1102
00:50:53,546 --> 00:50:55,586
have the ability to show
up out of a voting center.

1103
00:50:56,621 --> 00:50:59,501
We've always had them and different
states had different laws.

1104
00:50:59,501 --> 00:51:03,041
California was one of the ones where
you could, you could get a mail-in

1105
00:51:03,041 --> 00:51:04,571
ballot if you just wanted one.

1106
00:51:05,021 --> 00:51:08,651
Some states are very specific on
the, who can get mail-in ballots,

1107
00:51:08,651 --> 00:51:11,831
you know, you need to be unable to
make a polling place or whatever.

1108
00:51:12,281 --> 00:51:19,421
Um, and I, I just want to just speak
to, I, I can't think of any issue that I

1109
00:51:19,421 --> 00:51:23,291
have with the integrity of that system.

1110
00:51:23,561 --> 00:51:23,981
Right.

1111
00:51:24,401 --> 00:51:30,821
Um, and the, um, the fact that all of
the signatures are counted, the fact

1112
00:51:30,821 --> 00:51:35,261
that, um, you know, and, and the,
and those ballots are, are stored.

1113
00:51:35,951 --> 00:51:39,341
Um, but it does have this downside.

1114
00:51:39,341 --> 00:51:41,171
And by the way, I'll just speak
to Pennsylvania in a minute.

1115
00:51:41,171 --> 00:51:43,511
One of the one, one of the states that
people bring up all the time is that

1116
00:51:43,511 --> 00:51:46,451
Pennsylvania, it takes so long, right?

1117
00:51:46,901 --> 00:51:49,601
Well, the reason Pennsylvania
takes so long is they have.

1118
00:51:50,531 --> 00:51:53,651
Unlike many states, they have
a law that says you can't touch

1119
00:51:53,651 --> 00:51:55,121
the ballots until election day.

1120
00:51:55,316 --> 00:51:55,616
Yep.

1121
00:51:56,381 --> 00:52:03,341
And so we've gone to a process whereby
the ballots take a lot longer to process.

1122
00:52:03,341 --> 00:52:06,611
And you still have this law from
many years ago that says you can't

1123
00:52:06,611 --> 00:52:08,111
touch the ballots until election day.

1124
00:52:08,441 --> 00:52:11,321
And as a result, they, you
know, they take a significant

1125
00:52:11,366 --> 00:52:11,876
sit there.

1126
00:52:11,936 --> 00:52:12,326
Yeah.

1127
00:52:12,611 --> 00:52:17,681
And then back in 2020 there were, you
know, there were, there, there was

1128
00:52:17,681 --> 00:52:22,631
a big thing about how they're like,
gee, because of covid we got so many

1129
00:52:22,631 --> 00:52:26,741
mail-in ballots, and because of that,
it's gonna pass a deadline that we

1130
00:52:26,741 --> 00:52:28,301
set for counting the ballots.

1131
00:52:28,811 --> 00:52:31,391
And so it went to the courts
and the state Supreme Court

1132
00:52:31,391 --> 00:52:33,641
said, listen, it's Covid man.

1133
00:52:34,001 --> 00:52:37,091
Yes, we, we've had this massive
increase of mail-in ballots.

1134
00:52:37,691 --> 00:52:42,311
Basically when I look at it,
their choices were, should we.

1135
00:52:43,016 --> 00:52:46,196
Stop the process because there's a
law that says, you know, we have to

1136
00:52:46,196 --> 00:52:48,656
count by three days or should
we count all the ballots?

1137
00:52:48,656 --> 00:52:48,866
And

1138
00:52:49,286 --> 00:52:52,196
the state Supreme Court said,
we count all the ballots.

1139
00:52:52,691 --> 00:52:53,321
because otherwise you're

1140
00:52:53,516 --> 00:52:55,196
how you would've done anything different.

1141
00:52:55,496 --> 00:52:55,826
Right.

1142
00:52:56,606 --> 00:53:01,346
And so, you know, I just saw, I just
saw a congressman today on, on the

1143
00:53:01,346 --> 00:53:04,106
news referring to that and saying,
you know, we'll see that, you know,

1144
00:53:04,106 --> 00:53:05,336
they've gotta follow their laws.

1145
00:53:05,366 --> 00:53:08,096
They followed their laws, right?

1146
00:53:08,096 --> 00:53:11,426
They, they went to the state Supreme
Court to see what we should do.

1147
00:53:12,116 --> 00:53:16,046
And um, the state Supreme Court said,
yeah, we should count the votes.

1148
00:53:16,616 --> 00:53:17,006
Right.

1149
00:53:17,726 --> 00:53:24,986
Um, and um, and I understand that,
that we missed the old days when we

1150
00:53:24,986 --> 00:53:26,606
knew the results on election night.

1151
00:53:26,606 --> 00:53:29,246
But it doesn't, what's really
important about this, it doesn't

1152
00:53:29,246 --> 00:53:30,806
mean it has less integrity.

1153
00:53:30,881 --> 00:53:31,241
Yep.

1154
00:53:32,096 --> 00:53:33,536
It just takes longer

1155
00:53:34,046 --> 00:53:35,726
because we're doing it in a different way.

1156
00:53:35,801 --> 00:53:39,791
yeah, and I think it's also important
to note that it's not just mail-in

1157
00:53:39,791 --> 00:53:41,771
ballots which have integrity, right?

1158
00:53:41,801 --> 00:53:44,861
It's also if you show up in person and do

1159
00:53:44,861 --> 00:53:45,761
your voting Right.

1160
00:53:45,791 --> 00:53:48,581
everything in the process has all

1161
00:53:48,581 --> 00:53:51,911
these checks and balances and has been
fully thought through to make sure

1162
00:53:51,911 --> 00:53:55,086
that your vote counts
and there is no fraud.

1163
00:53:55,811 --> 00:53:58,961
And one of the, one of the
things that, um, well, let me

1164
00:53:58,961 --> 00:53:59,921
speak to that for a second.

1165
00:54:00,071 --> 00:54:00,761
There's fraud.

1166
00:54:02,291 --> 00:54:02,711
Okay.

1167
00:54:02,831 --> 00:54:04,181
There is absolutely fraud.

1168
00:54:04,631 --> 00:54:09,341
I am sure that there is a person
here and a person there that goes in

1169
00:54:09,341 --> 00:54:14,021
and pretends to be someone else and
votes for their, their wife who can't

1170
00:54:14,021 --> 00:54:15,581
make it on election day or whatever.

1171
00:54:15,581 --> 00:54:15,881
Right.

1172
00:54:15,881 --> 00:54:15,971
Or

1173
00:54:15,971 --> 00:54:17,501
votes for their girlfriend or whatever.

1174
00:54:18,101 --> 00:54:22,691
Um, but, but, but in all the
investigations that they found,

1175
00:54:22,691 --> 00:54:25,151
they haven't found enough
fraud that would, that would,

1176
00:54:25,151 --> 00:54:26,051
change an election.

1177
00:54:26,201 --> 00:54:26,591
Right.

1178
00:54:27,291 --> 00:54:31,671
Here's my thing that I want to just,
the, the, the thing that I always say

1179
00:54:31,671 --> 00:54:34,401
to anybody who's concerned about the
integrity of their election system.

1180
00:54:34,486 --> 00:54:35,306
Go ask questions

1181
00:54:36,231 --> 00:54:37,191
Go ask questions.

1182
00:54:37,281 --> 00:54:38,631
Do one of two things.

1183
00:54:40,071 --> 00:54:43,401
Go ask, go to your ROV and ask
all the questions you want.

1184
00:54:43,401 --> 00:54:44,631
Go to your local vote center.

1185
00:54:44,631 --> 00:54:45,831
Ask all the questions you want

1186
00:54:45,876 --> 00:54:46,616
or volunteer.

1187
00:54:47,391 --> 00:54:48,261
or volunteer.

1188
00:54:48,801 --> 00:54:55,551
Right now, I don't know how it is in other
states, but in California because the,

1189
00:54:55,881 --> 00:54:59,241
the vote system got, so we do multi-day

1190
00:54:59,241 --> 00:55:00,291
voting in California.

1191
00:55:00,561 --> 00:55:02,061
I'm gonna be running an 11 day

1192
00:55:02,061 --> 00:55:03,831
vote center, right?

1193
00:55:03,981 --> 00:55:06,531
By the way, the way it's gonna
work is over 10 days, we're

1194
00:55:06,531 --> 00:55:08,211
gonna get about 200 votes.

1195
00:55:08,721 --> 00:55:11,661
And on the 11th day, we're
gonna get another 200 votes,

1196
00:55:11,766 --> 00:55:12,156
Yep.

1197
00:55:12,681 --> 00:55:12,981
right?

1198
00:55:13,611 --> 00:55:15,801
Um, IL's not a big place.

1199
00:55:16,071 --> 00:55:19,131
Um, and most people are
voting in mail-in ballots,

1200
00:55:19,251 --> 00:55:21,111
but, um.

1201
00:55:21,741 --> 00:55:22,731
I had a point with that.

1202
00:55:22,821 --> 00:55:23,571
What was I saying?

1203
00:55:23,916 --> 00:55:24,336
That if you

1204
00:55:24,351 --> 00:55:24,801
yes.

1205
00:55:24,861 --> 00:55:28,491
My, oh, my point is, because it's
such a big process in California,

1206
00:55:28,491 --> 00:55:31,791
it's a paid volunteer position, right?

1207
00:55:31,791 --> 00:55:36,411
You get paid to go to training, you get
paid while you're in as a poll worker.

1208
00:55:36,811 --> 00:55:39,211
It's not, it's not the kind of
volunteer position where you

1209
00:55:39,211 --> 00:55:40,501
have to give a, a ton of time,

1210
00:55:40,726 --> 00:55:41,086
Yeah.

1211
00:55:41,566 --> 00:55:42,076
And you get

1212
00:55:42,076 --> 00:55:43,336
to learn about the system.

1213
00:55:44,041 --> 00:55:45,361
and you get to learn about the system.

1214
00:55:45,361 --> 00:55:45,631
You get to

1215
00:55:45,631 --> 00:55:47,221
ask all the questions you want

1216
00:55:47,221 --> 00:55:48,151
in poll worker training.

1217
00:55:48,256 --> 00:55:48,496
Well,

1218
00:55:48,496 --> 00:55:51,706
and this is one of the things,
it's like with voting, right?

1219
00:55:51,706 --> 00:55:56,866
Most processes that exist,
it's kind of in secret, right?

1220
00:55:57,346 --> 00:56:00,256
Like, like, uh, right.

1221
00:56:00,256 --> 00:56:03,676
And with voting though, it's
the exact opposite, right?

1222
00:56:03,766 --> 00:56:04,996
Everything is open.

1223
00:56:06,121 --> 00:56:07,021
Everything is open.

1224
00:56:07,021 --> 00:56:10,651
You're allowed by law, you're allowed
to see any part of the voting process,

1225
00:56:11,041 --> 00:56:13,681
and you're allowed to question
any part of the voting process.

1226
00:56:14,011 --> 00:56:18,001
You know, go into your vote center
and say, I've heard this or that.

1227
00:56:18,061 --> 00:56:18,481
Right?

1228
00:56:18,541 --> 00:56:18,781
By the

1229
00:56:18,781 --> 00:56:21,781
way, one of my biggest jobs
as a site manager is to answer

1230
00:56:21,781 --> 00:56:22,771
those types of questions,

1231
00:56:22,771 --> 00:56:23,041
right?

1232
00:56:23,281 --> 00:56:24,541
Do you remember Sharpie Gate?

1233
00:56:24,871 --> 00:56:25,561
Use an example.

1234
00:56:25,561 --> 00:56:26,281
Sharpie Gate.

1235
00:56:27,091 --> 00:56:31,891
The, the idea was if you were, if
you were, you know, um, Republican,

1236
00:56:32,071 --> 00:56:35,761
you would go to vote and then people
would, uh, hand you a Sharpie instead

1237
00:56:35,761 --> 00:56:37,141
of an official ballot marking pin.

1238
00:56:37,351 --> 00:56:41,521
It would cause your, the, the vote
to bleed through to the other side.

1239
00:56:41,521 --> 00:56:43,231
It would invalidate your ballot, right?

1240
00:56:43,231 --> 00:56:45,811
Because, you know, when you look
at these ballots, you know, there,

1241
00:56:45,841 --> 00:56:47,221
there's, here, here's the ballot.

1242
00:56:47,461 --> 00:56:48,391
I'll just talk about this.

1243
00:56:48,691 --> 00:56:49,861
So here's the ballot, right?

1244
00:56:50,761 --> 00:56:54,151
And so if I, if I write my ballot
over here and I, and, and my,

1245
00:56:54,211 --> 00:56:57,091
my thing bleeds through, it's
gonna show up on the other side.

1246
00:56:57,091 --> 00:56:57,691
But guess what?

1247
00:56:57,931 --> 00:56:59,221
The things don't line up.

1248
00:57:00,211 --> 00:57:02,281
Bullets, the, the bubbles don't line up.

1249
00:57:02,281 --> 00:57:05,161
And so even if that happened,
it wouldn't invalidate a ballot.

1250
00:57:05,161 --> 00:57:05,371
That's

1251
00:57:05,521 --> 00:57:06,481
never been the case.

1252
00:57:06,931 --> 00:57:08,611
So Sharpie gate wasn't a thing,

1253
00:57:08,881 --> 00:57:09,151
Now,

1254
00:57:09,151 --> 00:57:09,871
now the one

1255
00:57:10,111 --> 00:57:11,851
So ask those questions, right.

1256
00:57:11,911 --> 00:57:12,871
And get answers.

1257
00:57:12,901 --> 00:57:16,171
but I think though, the one thing
people should know though is right.

1258
00:57:16,171 --> 00:57:20,251
I know you've told me this,
when you are in a voting center,

1259
00:57:20,731 --> 00:57:27,481
right, you cannot wear clothing or
ATI that represents a political party.

1260
00:57:28,321 --> 00:57:31,411
You actually, you, you can
represent a political party.

1261
00:57:31,411 --> 00:57:33,091
You cannot represent a candidate.

1262
00:57:33,091 --> 00:57:33,361
sorry.

1263
00:57:33,361 --> 00:57:33,901
A candidate.

1264
00:57:34,261 --> 00:57:34,681
Yeah.

1265
00:57:34,771 --> 00:57:37,981
Um, you can put, you can
put, you know, whatever.

1266
00:57:37,981 --> 00:57:39,421
Vote red, vote blue,

1267
00:57:39,541 --> 00:57:40,771
you can put that right.

1268
00:57:40,771 --> 00:57:45,271
Vote Republican, vote Democrat,
um, you know, vote 'em all out.

1269
00:57:45,276 --> 00:57:45,296
You

1270
00:57:45,296 --> 00:57:47,071
can put, you can put that in there.

1271
00:57:47,071 --> 00:57:47,341
Right.

1272
00:57:47,731 --> 00:57:49,561
Um, the, um,

1273
00:57:49,831 --> 00:57:50,401
uh, vote.

1274
00:57:50,401 --> 00:57:51,241
None of the above.

1275
00:57:51,331 --> 00:57:55,261
What, and what you cannot do is have
the name of a candidate or a measure,

1276
00:57:55,891 --> 00:57:56,281
right.

1277
00:57:56,341 --> 00:57:57,541
Uh, vote no on Prop

1278
00:57:57,541 --> 00:57:58,141
37.

1279
00:57:58,141 --> 00:57:58,801
You can't have that.

1280
00:57:58,801 --> 00:57:59,771
That's called electioneering.

1281
00:57:59,896 --> 00:58:03,946
and then the other thing also is don't be
belligerent when you go into these, right?

1282
00:58:04,201 --> 00:58:04,891
Don't be mean.

1283
00:58:04,966 --> 00:58:06,736
Because they're all volunteers.

1284
00:58:06,736 --> 00:58:08,206
They all want the process to work.

1285
00:58:08,206 --> 00:58:08,476
They,

1286
00:58:08,776 --> 00:58:12,046
you'll find people like Curtis who
wanna answer your questions, but

1287
00:58:12,046 --> 00:58:15,286
go with an open mind and be kind.

1288
00:58:16,516 --> 00:58:16,936
Yeah.

1289
00:58:17,356 --> 00:58:17,986
Be kind.

1290
00:58:18,196 --> 00:58:18,826
Rewind.

1291
00:58:19,396 --> 00:58:21,976
Um, there's an old, there's an old phrase.

1292
00:58:23,296 --> 00:58:23,656
Yeah.

1293
00:58:23,896 --> 00:58:30,406
Um, so I, I, I do believe strongly in the,
in the, in the American voting process.

1294
00:58:30,766 --> 00:58:36,496
And I, I, and because I believe
strongly in it, I investigated all

1295
00:58:36,496 --> 00:58:39,736
of these claims and it's like, okay,
the thing that you're saying isn't

1296
00:58:39,856 --> 00:58:42,196
possible, like Sharpie Gate was, was one

1297
00:58:42,196 --> 00:58:42,436
of them.

1298
00:58:42,766 --> 00:58:46,756
The thing you're saying isn't possible
and that when you, when you hear things

1299
00:58:46,756 --> 00:58:49,426
about, you know, all these ballots, um.

1300
00:58:49,996 --> 00:58:53,806
You know, being, like, one of the things
that people like to talk about is they

1301
00:58:53,806 --> 00:58:55,336
call it ballot harvesting, which is

1302
00:58:56,056 --> 00:58:59,296
one person turning in another person's
ballot and one person turning in

1303
00:58:59,386 --> 00:59:00,736
hundreds of other people's ballots,

1304
00:59:00,736 --> 00:59:01,006
right?

1305
00:59:01,516 --> 00:59:06,136
Um, and the thing is, because, and, and
again, different states have different

1306
00:59:06,136 --> 00:59:09,796
laws, but in California, we don't care who
drops off your ballot, we're gonna verify

1307
00:59:10,096 --> 00:59:12,106
the signature that it, that it matches.

1308
00:59:12,106 --> 00:59:12,436
Right?

1309
00:59:13,096 --> 00:59:17,326
Um, and, uh, so in, in California,
what is called ballot harvesting

1310
00:59:17,326 --> 00:59:19,936
is legal, but again, we don't care,

1311
00:59:20,326 --> 00:59:23,206
um, as long as the, the
signature gets matched,

1312
00:59:23,416 --> 00:59:29,596
but with, if you are submitting someone's
ballot on that form or on the envelope,

1313
00:59:29,596 --> 00:59:31,216
there is a spot for that person to

1314
00:59:31,216 --> 00:59:31,846
sign as well.

1315
00:59:32,146 --> 00:59:32,416
yeah.

1316
00:59:32,416 --> 00:59:34,246
There, uh, where's my ballot?

1317
00:59:34,876 --> 00:59:37,726
Yeah, that goes right here, right here.

1318
00:59:37,816 --> 00:59:40,906
If you're the person dropping off somebody
else's ballot, you put who, who you are

1319
00:59:41,206 --> 00:59:42,616
and your relationship to that person.

1320
00:59:43,516 --> 00:59:43,786
All right.

1321
00:59:43,786 --> 00:59:46,066
Well, I, I feel strongly
I want you to go vote.

1322
00:59:46,966 --> 00:59:47,446
Right.

1323
00:59:47,716 --> 00:59:50,326
Um, we're gonna put this out.

1324
00:59:50,386 --> 00:59:51,286
You've got time.

1325
00:59:51,286 --> 00:59:51,886
I don't know.

1326
00:59:52,156 --> 00:59:56,176
I will say, I, I will say I
like that California offers

1327
00:59:56,176 --> 00:59:57,676
same day voter registration.

1328
00:59:58,186 --> 00:59:59,716
And I think all states should do that.

1329
00:59:59,776 --> 01:00:01,456
I think all states should do early voting.

1330
01:00:01,456 --> 01:00:04,486
I think they should do whatever
they can to allow people to vote.

1331
01:00:05,476 --> 01:00:06,016
And, you know,

1332
01:00:06,061 --> 01:00:06,571
However they

1333
01:00:06,826 --> 01:00:10,936
the voting day is a, is a, is
a is not a national holiday.

1334
01:00:10,936 --> 01:00:11,596
It should be.

1335
01:00:11,596 --> 01:00:14,776
And by, by the way, you know people, oh my
God, you do Same day voter registration.

1336
01:00:14,776 --> 01:00:17,446
And by the way, I get people coming
up and say, Hey, I hear, you know,

1337
01:00:17,446 --> 01:00:19,276
illegal aliens are voting, right?

1338
01:00:19,276 --> 01:00:22,846
It's like, okay, you have to
be a citizen to vote, right?

1339
01:00:22,846 --> 01:00:25,786
And, and yes, you could walk up
to our polling place because in

1340
01:00:25,786 --> 01:00:27,316
California we don't have voter id.

1341
01:00:27,856 --> 01:00:28,216
Right?

1342
01:00:28,546 --> 01:00:31,966
Um, and, and I know we could, we
could talk about that for 20 minutes.

1343
01:00:32,326 --> 01:00:37,126
But, um, but what does happen is
someone does have to check that ID and

1344
01:00:37,126 --> 01:00:41,146
has to check their citizenship status
before that ballot will be counted.

1345
01:00:41,146 --> 01:00:41,236
It

1346
01:00:41,236 --> 01:00:44,416
goes into a, uh, a conditional
voter registration.

1347
01:00:44,416 --> 01:00:48,436
It's a specific envelope, and that
person's citizenship status and,

1348
01:00:48,521 --> 01:00:51,736
you know, identification will be
checked before their vote is counted.

1349
01:00:52,336 --> 01:00:58,246
Um, and so if you're in a state that
you, where you can still register and

1350
01:00:58,246 --> 01:01:00,106
you're not registered to vote, do it,

1351
01:01:00,316 --> 01:01:00,736
man.

1352
01:01:01,216 --> 01:01:03,646
You know, if you don't vote,
you don't get to complain.

1353
01:01:03,646 --> 01:01:05,476
That's my, uh, that's my thing.

1354
01:01:06,286 --> 01:01:07,996
And, um.

1355
01:01:08,851 --> 01:01:12,541
Uh, oh, and by the way, by the way, just
to, we could talk about this forever.

1356
01:01:13,021 --> 01:01:17,701
When you do send in your mail-in ballot,
it gets indicated in that system.

1357
01:01:18,421 --> 01:01:21,571
And so if you then go after you've
done a mail-in ballot, and you go

1358
01:01:21,571 --> 01:01:24,631
and try to vote in person, the system
will say, Hey, this person's already

1359
01:01:24,631 --> 01:01:25,651
voted right?

1360
01:01:26,041 --> 01:01:29,041
Or if you vote in person and
then you try to send in your mail

1361
01:01:29,101 --> 01:01:30,331
ballot, you only get to vote once,

1362
01:01:31,111 --> 01:01:31,471
right?

1363
01:01:32,581 --> 01:01:35,221
That's a basic concept that
is enforced in many, many

1364
01:01:35,221 --> 01:01:35,851
different ways.

1365
01:01:36,181 --> 01:01:41,611
But, um, well, I hope you guys
have, you know, I hope you've

1366
01:01:41,611 --> 01:01:42,931
learned something and I, if

1367
01:01:42,941 --> 01:01:43,221
I know.

1368
01:01:43,291 --> 01:01:44,021
I've learned a

1369
01:01:44,161 --> 01:01:50,221
else out of this, if you get nothing
else out of this, if you want to have

1370
01:01:50,221 --> 01:01:55,741
a better understanding of how the vote
system works in your area, volunteer

1371
01:01:56,671 --> 01:02:01,081
and, um, make a little
money, uh, and learn a ton.

1372
01:02:01,606 --> 01:02:06,226
Um, I mean, I know so much more
about elections than I did,

1373
01:02:06,496 --> 01:02:09,466
um, you know, before say 2016,

1374
01:02:09,571 --> 01:02:13,681
Exactly, and I know I have learned a
ton about elections from you, Curtis.

1375
01:02:13,681 --> 01:02:14,041
So.

1376
01:02:16,366 --> 01:02:17,596
we've talked quite a bit.

1377
01:02:18,196 --> 01:02:20,266
All right, well that is a wrap.